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Herald-Angel: So, congress isn't only
about techy meet ups. It's about
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personality. It's about humans. And what
happens when block chain and social
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connection meet each other and have a
baby? Well, Scuttlebutt: the decentralized
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social network may result. And Zenna or
zelf will introduce Scuttlebutt to you.
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Thank you very much.
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Zenna: So, hello! I'm Zenna or more maybe
known in Scuttlebutt as zelf. That's my
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profile picture. I'm not just trying to
put anything out there. laughing
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But yes, I'm zelf or Zenna and I've got a
background of seven years in digital
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fabrication / the fab lab scene and I'm a
grant writer for Scuttlebutt. That's why
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I'll be talking about Scuttlebutt today.
So I'll take this off. Because it was
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making noise. So what's Scuttlebutt? Can
we get a really really quick, how many
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people here have heard about Scuttlebutt
before? Eeey, that's a few, that's pretty
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good. Okay. Second question: how many
people got on Scuttlebutt? Okay, that's
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not all of you. Those of you who had heard
about it but didn't get on: Uh, uh, mm.
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And yes. So the rest of you, we'll be
telling you what Scuttlebutt's about. So,
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Scuttlebutt, it's a really strange name
right? It's like the first reaction
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everyone has. So Scuttlebutt, originally,
it's a sailing term for water container.
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It's slang for gossip, which is also why
Scuttlebutt is created... whoops, is
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called the gossiping protocol. So,
Scuttlebutt was created by Dominic when he
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was living on a boat and he was like "Huh,
I'm living here on a boat, but I want to
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talk to all my friends. What should I do?
Well, I'll build my own protocol." Of
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course that's the first thought everyone
has, right? So he did. And Scuttlebutt
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was born. So it's a peer to peer gossiping
protocol. So, some of you might be curious
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what specifically is that? It's not a
centralized system. Most people here
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should recognize this casual one.
Actually, oh wait, let me check it. Yeah.
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Okay. Good. It's more like, whoops,
double, this. So, it's a distributed
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network with... distributed not
decentralized, if anyone cares about that
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difference. Or this, which is by the way a
picture of Andre Staltz actual network.
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And this is a picture of mix's network.
Simply put, it's kind of like this. You
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got your friends. You got your friends'
friends. This you can see and you can
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store on your computer, then you got your
friends' friends' friends. This you can't
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see but you can store, except if you're
using patch bay then you can also see it,
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but yeah. laughing
And beyond! Which you don't even know
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exists. So, that's how we communicate. So,
to point this out, this also means that no
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one else knows you exist, which makes it
very difficult. Approximately right now
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we're around 10000 users on Scuttlebutt.
The thing is... Afterwards! The thing is,
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we're not sure that's the exact number
because it's impossible to actually be
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able to tell how many people are out
there. Do you really want to... okay,
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okay. So, this means there can be
communities using these in a mesh network
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village somewhere, for example, or it
could be something else. And that's like,
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physically impossible. Like, it's not
possible with the protocol. So, that's
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like the basics of it. But there's also
pubs, and pubs are basically – OK, what if
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I want to know more people than the people
who are within my friends' friends'
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friends' reach, you know? What if I want
to know someone else who deals with
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shrooms? Not shrooms, mushrooms. As a
shout out to gliph out there, who does
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that. Then we got pubs. And pubs is a
very, very great analogy is actual
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physical pub. So you go there. You meet
some people that are outside of your
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friendship circle. You talk, you hear
their gossip about their friends that you
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are not connected to. And you tell them
your gossip about your friends etc. And
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essentially, the Scuttlebutt protocol is
very much replicating how real human
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interaction actually happens, rather than
a centralized system which would be more
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like: Huh, I take everyone's data, and
then I tell everyone what they need to
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know, sort of very generalized. OK, so
there's a few quirks with Scuttlebutt and
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similar kind of protocols sometimes. So
there's communal data privacy. It's
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impossible to see others data unless they
are in your network proximity. That's what
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we mentioned previously, right? You've got
offline usability. So this is one that
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surprises most people because most people
think: Internet, huh, I need a connection.
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Well, you don't! So it's completely usable
in mesh communities and over, for
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example, Sneakernet. And third quirk:
You've got free listening. This is more of
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a design quirk but it's still one that's
very important, I think. So rather than a
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top down censoring, there's a choice of
blocking. So you can choose to not listen,
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rather than removing/revoking someone's
right to speak. Then we got the fourth
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quirk which, yeah, it's in the air a
little bit, but it's hardware bound. So
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the SSB accounts are tied to the device
they're on. No passwords and more
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difficult to swarm, which, mmh, yeah, it
could be discussed, but still it's
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hardware bound, so no passwords which
currently means, if you have an account,
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you can't like log in with the same
account on mobile and then use it on your
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computer as well. You have to have like
two different ones. Yes, what if you loose
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your device though? If it's hardware
bound, that sucks! This has happened to
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me. So that's where Dark Crystal comes in,
and I hope Dan is OK with this because
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we've done this before, but he's going to
explain a little bit about Dark Crystal.
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laughing
Dan: incomprehensible ... technologies
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is the assumption that the human or
machine or entity interacting
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with the protocol is the sole custodian of
a private key. Try and imagine something
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really precious which if you lost it you
would lose access capacity and
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affordances. So I'm not talking about a
passport or a bank card. Those things you
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can go to a central authority and you can
replace them. If you lose your password to
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Facebook, you could go through some
process, such as showing them an identity
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card or some other identifying feature
which they would determine binds to you,
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the human, who is the owner of that
account. In peer to peer systems, there is
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no company, there's no central authority
to whom you can go and jump through
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whatever process to regain access. So if
you lose your private key, you are screwed
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in peer to peer world. This is your
digital identity and if you lose it you're
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screwed. That's very fragile. Password
managers are hard. About 17 percent of all
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bitcoins which will ever be minted, have
statistically look like they've been lost.
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If you literally can't pay people to keep
this stuff secure, I think it indicates
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that it's a right problem to solve. And
that's really what we've been working on
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with Dark Crystal. If you're a Harry
Potter geek, think Horcrux. If you're not
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a Harry Potter geek, it's a mechanism
which leverages human relationships and
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trust, and you weave a spell saying of my
five friends, let's say my mom, my dad,
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two brothers and my best friends. As long
as three of these people out of the five
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confirm and grant me access, then you can
regain the original secrets. In this case
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it might be a private key, without
themselves holding the shards, the piece
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revealing anything to them. So it's pretty
exciting. Hope that helps.
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Zenna: Thank you Dan, who is right here
actually. No? Oh that's right,
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sorry about that.
Dan: incomprehensible
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Zella: You're what?
Dan: incomprehensible
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Zella: Okay, laughing, another Kiwi
that was. I have yet to actually
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meet Dan in person. And there's
a lot of people out here that
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is like the first time we meet because we
work online only. So it's pretty exciting
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to be here. We like running around
scouting, who could be that person on
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Scuttlebutt? Um, yes. This is Dan. He's
the founder of Blockades, an acclaimed
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crypto guru. So, how do I use Scuttlebutt?
The actual usage of Scuttlebutt could look
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like this. This is patchwork. Patchwork is
the recommended one to use once you start
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using Scuttlebutt. But there's many other.
Because remember, Scuttlebutt is only the
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protocol, and then you can place many
different interfaces and applications over
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it. So you got Manyverse, which is a
mobile client which André Staltz released
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like two months ago. And we got Patchbay
which Dark Crystal currently is being run
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via. And it's more experimental, easier to
change than Patchwork. And TickTack, which
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is like a blog stylish. And then you got
more specialized applications because
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obviously you don't only have to use like
a social media interface. You could also,
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for example, play chess. That's you! Eyy!
Hello by the way. laughing Or, you can
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make book reviews applications, or skill
sharing applications. And it goes on and
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on and on. Pretty much anything that has
to do with connections between people. So,
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this is where we get to the second part.
How does Scuttlebutt fit into the future?
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Ooh, what a yummy question. Before, oh,
did I not add that? I had this gif. Is
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that coming soon? Right. Yes. OK, let's
just jump to the gif because it's fun.
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Let's do the wave before because we're
gonna get like shifted a little bit. Now
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you've heard about Scuttlebutt. You know
what it is. Now we're going to kind of
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talk about like more futurists. So, could
we try out quick wave starting from over
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there, spreading downwards, going up here,
spreading backwards? Is that possible? Are
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you guys capable of this? Yes? Yes?! Are
you down? That person over there, stand up
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if you're ready! Wooooh, OK, let's go! OK,
we got it, ready. OK. It's somewhere
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goiiiiiiiing. laughing Good job people!
OK, so instead we'll go back a bit,
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because we're switching. We're talking
about the future and we're talking about
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solar punk. So solar punk is a common
futuristic approach. It started as a sci
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fi genre which many people in this kind of
community also very much enjoys. It's a
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way of looking at how we can shape the
future. And it's also an aesthetic, or
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guess sometimes. So there are very, very
many different views of how the future
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could be. So I'm talking right now, so
obviously I'll be presenting my view, and
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what maybe some of my friends and I talk a
lot about. But there are as many different
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future views as there are people. So none
of this is fact, swish? But, yeah, take
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it with a grain of salt. So obviously I
put this in the wrong wave thing. We're be
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coming from the perspective of digitally
fabricatable society. So solar punk also
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kind of merges very much technology with
ecology, and how to live sustainable in a
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world without ravishing it. But still
utilizing the developments we do have, and
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the knowledge we do have in a good way.
So, there are a few ingredients that I
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kind of like cherry picked for this. So
it's FabCity, Machines Building Machines,
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Open Source Ecology and Electronics Home
Production or Home Electronics Production,
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however you want to put it. So we start
with FabCity. FabCity is an initiative.
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It's an offspring from the FabLabs
movement. It's globally connected cities
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for local manufacturing. And this is kind
of a mapish with a few of the countries.
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But as you can see, I'm not going to read
all of these cities out. But you can see
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that there's many, and they're all kind
of connected in this big network of cities
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who have proclaimed themselves for local
manufacturing. So you got Paris in there,
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you got Barcelona in there, you got Seoul,
you got Oakland and Detroit, etc. etc.
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That's one ingredient. These are just
flavors. And then we got Machines Building
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Machines. Machines Building Machines is
kind of the component that can accelerate
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this movement. Because sure, you want
local manufacturing. But are you gonna buy
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all the machines yourself? Like, is
everyone gonna spend a bunch of money to
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buy them? No, that's unsustainable. But,
if you get the machines to build the
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machines, who can then continue building
machines, you got this rapid movement
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going on, right? So Machines Building
Machines is a movement that was also
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started at Fellesverkstedet in Oslo,
together with MIT. So, Fellesverkstedet is
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a Fab Lab sprung out of Bitraf, the hacker
space in Oslo, beautiful place. And
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they've built the first large scale open
source CNC machine that's completely
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parametric and parametric means it's
scalable and you can build a small scale
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CNC machine with the same design. So CNC,
a good one is all you need to build all
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the other machines. So we got the first
key, which is pretty damn cool. So what
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else kind of machines we want to build?
Well we want to be able to sustain
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ourselves, right? So we got Open Source
Ecology, right? Open Source Ecology is
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amongst one, a project where they're
building 50, I think, agricultural
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machines in order to locally produce the
food you want. And also 'cause the way the
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industry around farming works is a little
bit corrupt. And we also have projects
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such as Romi. Romi project is robotic
micro scale for farming. They've just
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received a bunch of funding from European
Union, yes, to develop the small scale
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farming in Barcelona. Here's a brief map
on different farms across Europe which
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have started or are in the process of
actually becoming digitally fabricatable
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farming spaces. Yes. Another one, which we
mentioned previously this morning, was
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Libre Silicon which is really really cool.
It's the first time we've kind of
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completed the kit now; we can build
computers from scratch. And you can do it
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in your basement. But this one
specifically was for semiconductors, which
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was like the missing link. And this is
another. It's a ISP programming board
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which is standardized by MIT, which they
use in Fab Academy, which is hosted all
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across the world. And yeah, it's just yet
another example of how easy it is to make
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circuit boards. All right. So, all that is
cool right. But what does it really mean?
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It means shoes. No, I'm kidding. But... so
to wrap this up we're gonna use an
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analogy. So, the analogy starts with
shoes. So, let's say you want your shoes.
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Because that's something we all use, it's
something we all need, right? Let's say
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you want shoes, but you don't want to buy
them. So you decide to learn how to make
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your shoes. Fabulous, right? But let's say
the neighbors around you they're like,
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"Huh I want shoes too." And previously
what we had to do was, obviously, well if
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one city learns... has like a shoemaker
well then another city has to have one
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person who spends all their time learning
how to make shoes. That's a lot of time
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consumption. So, you have this one city,
they learn how to build shoes. You have
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another city, they learn how to build
shoes. You have another city, they learn
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how to build shoes! That's a lot of
learning of how to build shoes that's
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happening, right? So, what if you just
have one person learn how to build shoes
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and then they share that information open
source. Yaay! Now so many people can build
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shoes. Wow. It's incredible. And then,
what if you have like villages, spread out
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across the world, building shoes and
making open source design for maybe even
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like toilets or like houses or like
showers or kitchen equipment. And they're
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connected in a network, then they can
share together and continuously develop
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the resources and the knowledge on how to
actually live. Which is the knowledge that
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somehow managed to be forgotten in modern
society. So yes. A quick side note to
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this: I recently heard from Europe's
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there's such a thing, but somehow that was
kind of her title. The Adidas, I think,
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are currently getting into the market of
building micro factories instead of
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stores. So you can go in there with your
old shoe, they'll reuse the material,
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break it down, and then you can buy the
new design – you don't actually have to
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buy the material for the design. So that's
kind of their new thinking concept of how
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to develop these stores. So, shout out to
hackers out there. Just saying. But yeah.
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Yes. So, for this we need digital files,
right? And how do we spread digital files?
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Well, our means, our roads, are kind of
being compromised in current society.
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Which is sad. So this is kind of how I
ended up on Scuttlebutt. I was talking to
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Alex. He's sitting right there.
mumbles user name on Scuttlebutt.
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in order to build this new society
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and like if we're actually gonna
do it, and have a change,
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make a change in the world, we
really need to have like means of
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communications that can't be compromised.
But... and he was like, huh, haven't you
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heard of laughing Scuttlebutt or Dat,
that project shoutout, or IPFS, shoutout
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as well. And I was like, no I haven't,
what is this. And then I got on, and yeah,
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the story continues. But either way, to
get back what we were talking about:
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digital files and we need to be able to
spread them. And in order to move freely,
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we need new protocols, which is what Dat,
IPFS, and Scuttlebutt can do. And new
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protocols could mean freedom of
information and Scuttlebutt could mean
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freedom of information. So that's why I'm
on Scuttlebutt. Uhm, yes. Welcome to the
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Scuttleverse. That's it for me. Thank you.
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Herald Angel: Thank you, Zenna.
Zenna: Thank you.
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Herald: Do we have questions in the room?
Please go to the microphone number one or
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number two because the people on the
stream also want to hear you.
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So who's first? One, two, one, two?
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I think number two was the first.
Say your question please.
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Question: So how does Scuttlebutt actually
work? What's the transport layer?
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Answer: What's the what what?
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Q: What's the transport layer? Do you use
Wi-Fi, do you use Bluetooth, do you use
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something custom?
A: As mentioned previously I think, you
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can you Sneakernet, you can use... we're
actually developing, or some people are, I
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don't know who exactly, but I've heard
rumored, using Bluetooth. You can use mesh
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networks, you can use regular Wi-Fi.
Choose your means. You can use radio, if
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you really want to. Yeah.
Q: So what is implemented right now?
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A: Currently, there's been people
researching Bluetooth as I mentioned. I
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thought I heard a rumor was radio
something. That's been on the air. No?
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Yes? Yes! It has. Then we've had, I know
mesh networks, actual like protocols built
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for mesh networks have also been
researched upon. Personally, that's the
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one I'm looking into the most. And yeah,
obviously regular Wi-Fi as well. Yeah.
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H: Thank you. Microphone number one
please.
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Q: You stated that information spread via
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degrees of separation. But what about
pubs? If someone in your network joins a
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pub, won't he flood all his network
through the pub?
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A: Yes.
Q: And because pub usage is common, you
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should get a fully connected graph?
A: Yes and no. So what's pretty common now
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in the early stages: that's kind of what's
happening, we think. Obviously we don't
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know, but that's what we think. So. Since
the community is small enough-ish that a
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lot of people have joined similar pubs,
there is a pretty cohesive use case of the
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pubs. But you're also very capable of just
joining your friends' pub for example, or
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setting up your own pub, or not using
pubs, which is not super recommended, but
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it's possible. Yeah. I think that answers
the question-ish. Do want to add onto it?
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No? Okay.
H: Thank you for that. Microphone number
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two please.
Q: Hello. I have a question. So you know
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how people use social media...
A: Be a little closer to the microphone.
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Q: You hear me now?
A: Yes, a little better.
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Q: OK. So you know people use social media
to talk to their friends...
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A: No no no, a little bit closer.
Q: OK, they want to talk to their friends.
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So like, for example like, if a person...
I'll rephrase my question. OK. So, if a
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person, like wants to talk to their friend
on Facebook, they know that their friend
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has a Facebook account, so they can just
use Facebook. So like... and you said like
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Scuttlebutt has a very small
community. So how do you entice
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people to join, if there's not many people
using it? So how does Scuttlebutt address
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this problem? Hopefully you understood
my question.
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A: Yes. Oh, actually I think Andre Staltz
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would be better at answering this
question, because he's more into the
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whole, bringing Scuttlebutt to the masses.
Personally, I think we're still in a phase
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where there's enough things we need to
set... more stable before it reaches the
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massive public. That's personally. But I
think as any other network, I mean it's
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the biggest question for any social media
ever out there. How do we get users, you
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know? It's what they always ask. And you
could say, we could use the route of eco
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villages and eco villages using
Scuttlebutt. Or we could use the route of
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showcasing how much better it is with data
privacy. Or we could use the route of
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waiting for society to become infringing
enough on people's privacy that they have
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to use scuttlebutt, or etc., you
know? But yeah. It's not a goal of mine,
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so I'm not the best person to answer that.
Andre Staltz would be much better to
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answer that. Yeah.
H: Do we have a question from the
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interwebs. Not so far, is it? Yes? No?
Okay. So microphone number one please.
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Q: Hello. My name is Matthew. I'm already
a member for scuttlers for two years and
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it's more like a question for audience,
since we don't meet in real life.
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Can we have some family photo?
A: Aahh, I think that's a great idea!
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clapping Should we finish after the last
question, people who are on Scuttlebutt,
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if you come up here, we can take a picture
together. It'll be one of the biggest
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crabs' meets.
H: Nice! Connecting in real life, I love
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that. Microphone number two please.
Q: So before even centralized social
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networks were in existence, people were
kind of worried about, what happens if
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someone creates lots of fake accounts. And
this is a simple attack. Now because the
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scuttlebutt is distributed, and how does
that work the scuttlebutt? Do users have
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to manually block these accounts? Or is
there some centralized system that blocks
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fake accounts?
A: So there is no centralized system, to
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start there. If someone creates a fake
account, I mean, define a fake account. If
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I use an account and don't use my real
name is that a fake account? You mean
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harmfull accounts.
Q: Well, just like, you mentioned that you
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have three degrees of separation.
I could just add
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lots of bots to your agent network
through that degree of separation,
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and then flood your feed with nonsense.
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A: OK. Well, there is two responses there.
Number 1: There's the whole hardware
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thing, that usually when you create an
account, it's kind of tied to the
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hardware. It's hard to run multiple
instances of Scuttlebutt from the same
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computer. But that could also be round
about it, eventually if research comes on
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enough. The second answer would be the
whole, you can block people. So yeah, it's
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the whole free listening, non-censoring
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Q: Ok, yeah. Another thing. You said that, I
think, you mentioned that the graph on one
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of the first slides, it was distributed
but not decentralized?
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A: So could you repeat, sorry?
Q: On one of the first slides, you said it
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was distributed but not decentralized.
Could you kind of expand on that a little
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bit?
A: Uh oooh. Honor had a great slide about
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this. I did a talk with them recently,
it's uh, there's like, if you actually
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search difference between distributed and
decentralized, there's this beautiful
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picture you can get where it shows like,
the mapping of a centralized system was
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like a node in the middle that's giant,
and those, like small peaks. And then you
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have a mapping of a decentralized system
where you have the big nodes, and you have
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everyone kind of criss crossing, but also
very much on focusing on the nodes. And
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then you have the whole distributed
system. And the distributed system, it's
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more direct between peers to peers to
peers to peers to peers to peers. But some
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people may argue: What about pubs? That
make's it decentralized, right? Obviously,
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yes and no because you don't have to use
pubs. So, yes.
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H: So in this case I think we're done.
Thank you very much.
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Zenna: Thank you!
H: People, a warm applause for Zenna!
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