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Boris: All right so everybody can hear me
very well. My name is Boris I'm part of the
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ABC black cross Belarus and I will be
talking about tractors Rockets and the
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internet and I have very short time so you
will see very few things of those. ne
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thing we are in the saal G because I didn't
want to be in the saal Z. Z as it's kind of
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like ideologically doesn't pass for people
in the Eastern Europe laughter, applause
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yeah and yeah. We will have like a short
question answer section in the end. What
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the [ __ ] is ABC-Belarus? Many of you
don't know, we are like an activist
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Anarchist Collective that supports for the
last 15 years. People who ended up in
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prison fighting dictatorship in the
country. Since our existence beginning of
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our existence we never had any people or
we never had a situation where we never
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had people in the prison so people are
constantly in prison in Belarus in the
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last 15 years fighting the dictatorship. We
do solidarity work also with those who are
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around the people who are in prisons so
their families and so on we also promote,
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we we promoting we don't have so much time
left anymore, but before building up a
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security culture so for the activists to
know how to go around the new mechanisms
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of a dictatorship to suppress the
population. We do collect a little bit of
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data from like the courts, so we see what
the government is using for example to
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crack the laptops, we see all this [ __ ]
coming up in in the documents from time to
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time and this is not a talk about our
group so you can check out our website and
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see what is it about so tractors here they
are they don't always look like that
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sometimes they look like that tractors
are one of the important parts of like for
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you to imagine how Belarusian industry
looks like so after collapse of the Soviet
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Union Belarusia Bellarus was and remained
like a zone of heavy and Light Industry
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production of tractors but also we had
industry that was connected with war or
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militarism of the Soviet Union right? So
there are factories that are producing
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small chips for the rockets and [ __ ]
like that and this continues so partly
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Russian war industry on Belarus in
production of the Rockets the situation
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where you know Russian Rockets hit wrong
Target in Ukraine also connected with the
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fact that Belarusian workers are stealing
precious metals from the factories. So
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like those produced chips are working like
[ __ ] and we do have it but it's not like
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Taiwan or something like that it's more
like imagine Soviet Union post Soviet
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Union country that people are doing like
some outdated Technologies. Yeah. So those
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are like the topic about the Rockets.
Belarus is participating in the war
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efforts of Russia right now and it was
participating for very long in buildup to
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the war, so helping producing enough
rockets and enough of the you know like
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flying [ __ ] that goes to Ukraine right
now. However after collapse of the Soviet
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Union Belarus became also very dependent
and it was dependent and became dependent
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on Russian resources so oil gas and all
this [ __ ] comes mostly from Russia
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economically dependent on Russia and
that's politically dependent as well.
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Talking about Lukashenka, so belorus is a
dictatorship that ruled by this guy, next
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year is 30 years anniversary. Lukashenka
and Technologies he's a very special
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character you can do like lectures in
universities about his personality. I will
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do a couple of quotes about how he
perceives Technologies and how he sees
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himself in the technological World. For
example "we do not need an imported system
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for falsifying elections, we will create
our own one run by the State" and thas is connected
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with this notion that for the you know successful dictatorship you don't need some things, you can
produce dictatorship in the country yourself.
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A lot of things that are happening in Belarus are homemade
shit. As a child I was groing among animals and plans, so he is
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very close to the nature he thinks also
shows his like attitude to Technologies
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and the last part is "I even don't have a
mobile phone I'm looking at other
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presidents and see how they're preoccupied
with their iPhones I'm not doing that I
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know what security is" and even more "I
have enough people who can do that for me".
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And that's an important factor Lukashenka
knows how to drive a tractor, he doesn't
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know how to operate iPhone most probably.
But he's he has this mentality that
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understands okay I need enough smart
people around me who will help me to go
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through the modern world and that's what
he's doing a lot. So he has quite a huge
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let's say cabinet of people who are
helping him out to figure out the modern
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world in a different directions
politically technologically wise
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economically. Although Belarus is a
dictatorship it is a country that was for
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many years a partner of the European Union.
It changed recently before 2020 protest
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before the uprising of 2020 European Union
was cooperating with Belarus on the border
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security, what they're doing also in turkey
and many other authoritarian regimes. So
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for European politicians to protect the
borders build up a fences it's fine to
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have like a bloody dictator that is ready
to kill people. So that's what European
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Union was doing and that involved also
transaction of Technologies so for example
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you go to the Belarusian border and you
get in controlled and you have this huge
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x-ray machine that is going to x-ray your
car or whatever [ __ ] you have and it's
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written like there's a plate that says
like this machine is financed by the
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European Union and you think like wow
thank you European Union, you're like
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really helping democracy in Belarus. So
European Union was also investing a lot in
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the infrastructure projects inside of the
country roads and [ __ ] like that this
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was connected also because Belarus is
Transit country so you need a lot of
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Transit between Russia and Europe not
anymore but before it was the case right
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everybody wanted to trade with Russia a
lot still do. Also some countries inside
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of the European Union were supporting
police efforts in Belarus, there was a
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huge scandal in Germany, that German cops
were bringing Belorussian Riot cops to
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evictions of or like protection of
Gorleben transport like the nuclear waste
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transport back in the days. So they
wouldn't have like Belorussian cops hitting
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you you know but they would have them like
just sitting next to you and and watching
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how the German cops are working and that's
where for example Belarusian cops learned
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to film everything at the demonstrations
or at some events so they're also running
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with these cameras and filming and then
post factum might apply repressions to the
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people who were participating in the
protests. And some of the cameras were
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donated generously by the German state to
the Belarusian cops. And there are many
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more other money flows like ecological,
technological also private public
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everything goes in Belarus, dictatorship
yes but I mean money you know that cross
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the border easily. Very simple
Technologies to fight the population,
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water cannons were brought from Canada so
we had this fancy water Canadian water
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cannons. I will show you how Belarussian
people hacked those during the protests
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very easy. Camera usage for documentation
as I was mentioning cops running around
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with cameras all the time. This is they
what they learned from the German cops
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there were like a new technologies that
were like mobile car Shields so they bring
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it up to block the whole street. Russians
have like bigger machines belarusians have
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smaller machines but in general the idea
is that you you have this kind of like a a
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truck that brings a huge shield and you
block the whole street so protesters
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cannot go through it. And crowd control
equipment from other countries like we had
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tear gas from Czech and stun grenades from
Czech and Israelis and so on so like
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everybody were delivering and providing
weapons to Belarus as if it's like sure
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you know we know that you doing some [ __
] there but have it for you. But there are
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some other funny you know like hacking
from Belarusian state so for example here
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like during the protest people were
putting Flags like white red white flags
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which were the protest Flags [ __ ] I have
to put the sound in one second, but it's
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not really important what people was
laughing about him some laughs. So yeah
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this is one of the hack that this is I
think somebody connected with the ban
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State who was trying to remove the flag
then we have like this systems of
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notification in the city that were used to
play like a patriotic music during the
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protests which Belarusian state was doing
trying to like you know demoralize the
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protesters looks [ __ ] bizarre and
crazy and that was the hacking part of the
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Canadian water cannon. Belarussian people
are very creative you can see you love
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hacking we all love hacking that's how you
hack the the water cannon.
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Later on they stopped using them
because this what happened to them when
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you hack them
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Music yeah.
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But they were they were very open for
hacking like nothing is closed you can
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just open and take it away. Internet in
Belarus right, so this is a separate topic,
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we we are the country of the post Soviet
so we didn't have internet for very long I
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think like the general consumers market
for the internet opened like beginning of
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2000s maybe middle of 2000s I got my
internet connection first 2004 - 2005 so
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internet is a is a is kind of like a thing
that was developing very slowly but then
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it exploded. One of the things was for
example internet like online
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infrastructure was used for the protests
in 2005, wrong date, of the elections
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so we had like a protest camp on the
streets and people set up an indymedia
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media information point which was
broadcasting updates online life you know.
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And this was one of the first situations
in Belarus where the website started
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getting blocked. So Belarus in IND media
was the first attemp of Belarusian state
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to fight certain content on the internet.
There was like mirrors there was a lot of
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solidarity also from outside. So this
worked pretty well for the protesters
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didn't work so well for the government. The
protest was smashed, but for a lot of
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people the opportunity of organizing
through the internet became very obvious
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and people started using it in mass. Later
on Belarusian State started blocking from
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2016 Tor network with different success
of course like you can't block it with
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tractors putting it on the road so you
need more sufficient you know like or
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complicated systems and of course you
can't get them easily in Belarus from the
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factories that are producing Rockets. You
can't hit the Tor network with the rocket.
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So like they started searching for those
and you can see that like three years
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Belarusian cops were going to security
congresses where like this private
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companies was selling [ __ ] to anybody
pretty much and they were searching for
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Solutions, there were like for 2014 I think
there was a hacking team Italian hacking
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team leak where we figure out that
Belarusian state was trying to buy
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something from Italians and stuff like
that, right? So at the end of the day they
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got some stuff in 2016 and slowly started
applying more and more censorship in on
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the internet, Anarchist websites
oppositional websites starting getting
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blocked in 2020 this system like exploded
in Mass so we have like hundreds and
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hundreds of the websites some of them like
you know islamist [ __ ] and and stuff
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like that but some of them are legit
oppositional anarchists and stuff like
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that that are blocked and you can't access
them through like a normal Network. Yeah
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and right now because Belarusian state was
under attack for quite often from certain
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groups, a lot of websites governmental
websites kind of created a white listing
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just for belarussian IPs so you can't go to
the belarussian state websites from outside.
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So a lot of people paradoxically left the
country live in Exile but use Belarusian
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VPN to know if they're included in
extremist the terrorist lists. Yeah so one
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more thing about Belarusian internet and
Belarusian like communication
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infrastructure is sorm, some of you have
heard about it this is like a saying that
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was developed for many years and there are
different versions of it and it's pretty
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much backdoor like legal back door to put
into the networks of the communication
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providers before it was just a
cell network now it's also
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internet Network and so on internet
providers you just put a black box and the
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cops somewhere on the other side of the of
the country can have access to your
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network directly and they can see all the
what is happening on the network and they
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you know like clone easily IDs and so on
and so forth. So they are like owning
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pretty much the net the private networks
of the private providers also what is not
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mentioned on the slides Belarusian
internet is in one way or another is
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governmental so you have like one exit for
the internet to the outside world and this
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is controlled by the state and all the
private companies that are working with
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the internet are actually like renting
internet from the state and then reselling
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it to the private biders. Internet
censorship. So I was telling you that they
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were going and buying [ __ ] on the market
one of the things that kind of blew out
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and we figure out in 2020 was this company
sandvine you might have heard about it
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they were selling pretty much the the gear
the hardware for for censoring traffic in
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the first days after elections. But the
network was set up already for longer so
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it was not like s Vine is rushing into
Minsk and on the day of Elections but
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rather this was sold for some years before
and the Belarusian and state was successfully
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using it and on the day of Elections like
we lost internet connection for most of
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the country. There was also coming a lot
of assistance days following that from
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Russian and Chinese government who would
try to you know nav help to navigate
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Belarusian government through the fact
that they basically shut down not only
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like a protest infrastructure but their
own infrastructure because a lot of their
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own [ __ ] was dependent on the internet
and that was one of the reasons why
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internet was returned to Belarus three
days later as a lot of repressive
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infrastructure was not working for the
state. Yeah so those were very supportive
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of Belarusian regime and they're still
doing that but there were some also
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private companies that were helping
Belarus to deal with the protests
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Microsoft I mean there is a lot of pirated
Microsoft installs but Skype server
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infrastructure was used for prosecuting
protesters, this was very handy so you
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would have a court, where there will be
like just a computer standard, like it's
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not really technological country so much
right? So in the court there will be a
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laptop and there would be like a guy in
the Mask who would be a witness in the
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case of the of the protesters and it takes
around like 2 minutes to prosecute the
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person for them to get like 15 25 days in
prison. The person leaves and then there
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is a new case and quite often there were
like the same cops basically testifying
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for the people on many on multiple
occasions and this provided a lot of
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anonymity from one side for the
infrastructure of repressions because the
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cops didn't ha:ve to be at the place and
they couldn't be identified but on the
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other side it provided allso this kind of
like a mobility of repressions. You don't
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need to bring another cop who would stand
there and he doesn't know what to read and
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to say and so on and so forth. So this was
there and this was like Skype was not in
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any way you know and Microsoft was not in
any way reacting how the Belarusian state
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is using their services in the country at
that .Then we had cinezis, cinezis is like
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a Belarusian company that was developing a
face recognition system and this smart
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City [ __ ] and all the crap you can find
on the pages of the internet days. So one
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of the products they had was keyboard and
this was basically like a life face
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recognition system that they installed in
Minsk. And this keypod was used for
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identifying also protesters during the
protests and also identifying High Target
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like high political Targets in the city at
some point. So for example one of the
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congress wars an anarchist was arrested
through like a common operation of keyboard.
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That was telling the police that he's
there so they would follow him to the
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place where he was living underground and
so on and so forth. So, face recognition
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system worked pretty well in certain
situations right? They were also using
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like their own face recognition system for
postprocess so they get images of high
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resolution from Big crowds like 100,000
people and from there they would pick up
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some faces of the protesters and this
would be like ending up in the court cases
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of the people. So you would have like a
print out from keyboard system that was saying
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okay we identify this person like this and
that. The CEO of the company is like a son
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of the KGB agent so they had like a lot of
connections with the state and what else
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is here? Like the company itself was
trying to present itself, we are like an
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IT company that is doing just a you know
like a nice thing for everybody and make
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people happy in Belarus. But reality was
different and we figured that also post
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factum I think a month later there was a
bigger article published on what they're
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doing and how they are basically like
helping out the Belarusian state to
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suppress the uprising. And here we also
have a great Corporation Called Intel that
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doesn't you know for whom money also
doesn't smell it's it's very funny because
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intel was very proud of cooperating with
cinezis till 2022 even though cinezis was
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on sanction under sanctions in the
European Union by that time but US was not
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sanctioning. So when the fullscale war in
Ukraine broke broke out cinezis ended up
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on US sanction list so intel was like okay
we we this is not good imagery for us, so
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they deleted the keyboard page from their
website, where they were very proud of it
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but if you search keyboard Intel it's you
still find a Chinese page like a page in
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Chinese on the Intel website that still
does like all this [ __ ] advertisement we
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are helping human rights and developing
Technologies and progress and blah blah
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blah. So Intel is still partly proud of
cooperating with the repressive
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organization in Belarus but only for the
Chinese market most probably. Social
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networks, so there is like a certain you
know a hype around that telegram was used
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a lot to coordinate protest and so on and
so forth but reality I mean and it was
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but reality the other side of the coin was
that we ended up in quite a [ __ ] storm
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because people could be identified through
the telegram or the way telegram is built
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through IDs like the unique IDs that
are doesn't matter if you change the phone
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number and so on and so forth. So a lot of
people ended up being prosecuted because
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they did some [ __ ] on telegram and in
like the further we went after repressions
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of the uprising the more ridiculous those
could be, like even putting you know a [
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__ ] Emoji under information that a KGB
agent was shot during a raid would be
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enough to start criminal prosecution
against you. So those things became very
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problematic and at the end of the day
we've seen that Belarusian state is
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observing not only telegram but also other
social networks. Telegram at that point
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was not really cooperative with
belarussian State and they were still
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selling like Durov was still selling this
you know image of we are like for the
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human rights and for people and all this [
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we ended up with a situation when the
protest like died out that Durov started
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blocking like telegram started blocking
certain website certain [ __ ] not
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websites certain channels in telegram
that were for example dedoxing police or
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documenting police violence and and court
cases and so on and so forth. So those
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channels are for example like, there is a
channel that is called Belarussian
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punishers that has a list of police
officers who were responsible for the
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violence and this is blocked on Telegram
and you can't find it. Official point of
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like telegram this is not us saying, they
said okay, Apple actually forced us to do
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that but reality is that it goes both
ways. You know like you have to cooperate
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with each other for this to to happen and
this was happening on one side on the
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other side telegram was blocking also
channels of the same kind of groups in
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Russia that were also dedoxing cops who
were using violence and who were
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participating in repressions even after
the fullscale invasion. So we see a lot of
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censorship and a lot of cooperation
happening after like the protest, so
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during the the active phase like they
would be like yeah we standing with you
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and you're almost one so we would like to
be with you but when you know they see
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that the status quo is maintained they
start cooperating they start like
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following the laws of the country even if
those laws are oppressive or doesn't make
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any [ __ ] sense and so on and so forth.
Yeah and vkontakte, I think you know this
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is like a social network in Russia, they
are like completely working with FSB and
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and [ __ ] and Belarusian State also has
pretty much direct access on what you're
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doing there. So there there were some
people organizing but for even like normal
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people it became clear that like don't use
Russian social networks, this is like a
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bad idea and then apparently you shouldn't
use Chinese social networks and maybe
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don't use social networks in general
because a lot of them have like a
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potential of repressions of not on the
individuals but the social movements and
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and [ __ ] like that. Mobile phones and
data collection. So what did we figure out
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during the protests and and the last years
cellebrite of course they are [ __ ] happy
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to to sell themselves to any repressive
regime so Belarus is not an exception and
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they they're they they were used they're
still used so belarusan state is still
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buying cellebrite licenses through some
third party companies and I mean sanctions
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is is a [ __ ] joke in general. And even
the companies who are saying we are not
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doing that in most cases they are doing
that but through the third party. Data
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dumps so through cellebrite but through
other certain other companies you just get
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like a set of phones right and I don't
know there would be like 500 people
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detained, there would be all the phones
confiscated and the cops would be dumping
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all the data from those phones and then
you know like they wouldn't have a time to
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go through this data at the point but then
you might be prosecuted in half a year
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later for what they found from those
phones. And also you know like there is a
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lot discussions during the Congress as
well and in general in the security
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Community the strong passwords you know,
encryption is very important but we
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figured out that you know encryption works
very bad if they're torturing you. And
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that was the Belarussian like way to break
encryption, they didn't try to you know
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make a technological way into this, but
rather they [ __ ] you up to the point
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where you decide okay I rather die or I
give them the password and quite often it
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worked pretty well and it worked also in
the way like not retrospectively but in a
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in a threaten way. So you know, okay some
people were tortured to get access to the
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encrypted drives and other people would be
like okay I give you the password without
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torture. So encryption doesn't work
against torture in Belarusian State and in
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many other cases and this is yeah it
doesn't matter how perfect your security
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system built technologically wise quite
often the human factor is still the
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the weakest link in the whole situation.
Then we had situations where the cops were
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impersonating activists. Up to the point
where they were registering like for
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example on the dating apps and putting
like naked pictures that they would get
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from the data damps and so on and then
people would be calling those activists
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hooking up with them and so on and so
forth. Sim cloning that's a huge thing
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that I think people should [ __ ] like get
engraved in their like brain that's that
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your phone and the SIM cards that you get
do not belong to you you are like
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borrowing them from the companies and
quite often if the companies have or the
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state has access to the companies then the
state owns those and that means the state
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owns your [ __ ] phone number and that
means phone number is not unique
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identification. So we had a lot of
situations where telegram accounts were
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hijacked by the state just by you know
like cloning the SIM card and getting all
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the access and normal person wouldn't put
a password on your account. Yeah so be
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aware of that and please like stop using
that for your you know technological
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things you're doing or software that you
are developing this is not a secure way in
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any way. This also goes to Signal people.
Traffic analysis yes as I was mentioning
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like the [ __ ] storm is there so they're
trying to identify what people are doing
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and this might be also a reason for a
house rate or something like that if your
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traffic looks suspicious. Resistance. So
resistance unfortunately is very low
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technologically speaking so there's not so
much of like you know laser rifles and [
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__ ] like that. But rather and and and
that's like unfortunately the story of
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resistance against authoritarian regimes,
that normally even when the state has like
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very sophisticated heat guns and [ __ ]
like that people end up on the streets
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with the stones and sticks and that was
the case also in Belarus. However people
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started learning Technologies very fast so
there were a lot of people who learned how
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to use proxies, Tor, VPN, you see how the whole
usage of those Services spiked during the
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protest and this is not like you know your
20 30 year old friends but rather like
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older people 50 60 who were forced into
doing that, because they are interested in
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joining the protest. So to be part of the
protest you actually have to learn how to
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do those. We also figured out that mesh
networks although it's such a great idea
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and maybe one day on the other planet it
will work out, but for your average
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protester and average participant in in
like an anti-authoritarian uprising this
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is not the case you can't [ __ ] get them
working and people are not really capable
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of of using them. Destruction of
surveillance property so there were people
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who would just go around and smash the [
__ ] cameras that was the way to resist
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the facial recognition system. Hacking of
infrastructure so there were a lot of
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different attempts and the biggest one I
think was hacking into the ID database
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where which brought like a lot of other
stuff so there databases of all this
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Belarusian citizens their criminal records
and and [ __ ] like that available to
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certain groups right now and this gives
also opportunity to look into police
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activity and what the cops are doing what
they own where they work and so on and so
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Forth. The doxxing of the police officers
and regime functions like the judges and
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other bureaucrats basically as I was
mentioning like on telegram you have this
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whole list like thousands and tens of
thousands of people there is also a map so
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you can have a look if you're living next
to a [ __ ] in your house who is like a
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colonel of repression operatus or
something like that so this is also
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helping a lot but it also build up a lot
of pressure on the police because police
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apparently think if you know if you know
the address of the police officer most
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probably you will go and smash his [ __ ]
house and kill everybody and so on, which
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didn't didn't happen but it did provide a
certain pressure on the repression
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apparatus. We also ended up with the
solution for like what do you do when the
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cops torture you for your password for
encrypted hard drive you break your hard
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drive and sometimes maybe you wouldn't be
able to break your hard drive so you do
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like this thing that they do in the movies
you know in US you break the screen. *some
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laughs* Really bizarre right but it works
the the point here and I'm not talking
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about the laptop the point here is you
have a smartphone and there you have
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something going on so if you smash it the
average Riot cob guy doesn't know what
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what to do with it, so he can't torture
you to open it right it doesn't work. And
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that was like a solution for a lot of
activist so basically if you are in the
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danger of being arrested you just break
the phone and you have this buffer time
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when the cops arrest you put you in jail
and blah blah blah and this expert comes
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who knows how to you know open the phone
that has a broken screen. And that's kind
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of like a place where most of the torture
happens so you're capable of avoiding and
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the cops also figured out that pretty fast
so they started trying to get you arrested
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before you break that and I have a story
like of a friend who you know like who was
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laying on the ground and he was putting
his hand in the pocket and like smashing
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the screen and he did it and the cops were
like how did you do that we were formed
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sitting on you you couldn't [ __ ] move so
these kind of things and these kind of
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things I think saved at least a health of
certain people and also there was a lot of
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online education where there were like
workshops for the people how to figure out
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out their smartphone security their
telegram security and [ __ ] like that.
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This is one of the examples of online
education that is not connected with the
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security of the smartphones it is more
about production of new technologies
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right? In Belarus not connected the
tractors and those are like just to
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immobilize the police Vans Yeah so this
this was a lot of this kind of online
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education as well the interesting fact
again that a lot of people were afraid to
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put to do that online education because
eventually on many social networks you can
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get banned for that like if you put you
know how do you say a video how to make
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molotov cocktail this is considered
illegal activity and you know your account
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can be banned and [ __ ] like that and I
think people in not in the first World War
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figure that out a lot. Like people who are
in in Palestine and in many other places
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figure that you know the repressions are
working from the private companies against
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them when they're fighting against the
regimes. Conclusions so this is a small
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sticker that says if you can't break the
dictatorship you can still burn it down.
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laughter
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Conclusions are very short there they can
there is a lot to talk about. Capitalism
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is [ __ ] evil I mean hundreds of years of
this [ __ ] up story you I hope all of you
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figured this out this is not really a [ __
] mystery you know you don't have to come
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from USSR indoctrinated by Marxism
leninism to know that capitalism is evil
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and capitalism
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Many Applaus
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and capitalism destroys lives not only
here you know like in in Germany in US or
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whatever and your political life but it
destroys lives everywhere in Belarus,
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Myanmar, Hong Kong, Syria like the [ __ ]
corporations and the [ __ ] private
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business is ready to sell anything even
their [ __ ] mothers and brothers and
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sisters to the dictators just to make
money. Your phone number is not a good ID
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it's a bad ID don't [ __ ] use it ever
because it can be easily identified in
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Germany as well in many other countries it
is like it it's a [ __ ] like if giving a
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passport. Just when you are registering
with your phone number just imagine that
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you're giving a passport to some company
right?
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Someone from the audience: taking
pictures.
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Boris: Yeah password is a good thing,
still, many years after you can also
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forget it. You get a concussion you forget
it, you get tortured you forget it,
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password is good right? Surveillance is
good for the state bad for society so all
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those corporations that are selling right
now also in Western world the business of
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surveillance they are destroying the
social glue of the society and this is
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like a different topic but but in general
like surveillance is destructive for us as
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a humankind. Western private companies are
crucial for the dictatorship, we are not
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living in the world where you know like
the dictators have horses and they are
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riding them into the crowd and like w
hooray but rather a lot of technologies
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that are used by the state by the
Belarusian state but also by Syrian state,
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by Russian state are not the technologies
that were developed within the small
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states by the local companies but rather a
lot of technologies that were brought in
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and developed in this countries where we
are sitting you know? And they were
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developed under certain freedom but at the
same time they are now used to engrave the
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dictatorship and those dictatorships are
spreading like Russia wants to [ __ ]
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conquer half of the Europe so you have to
be aware of that and you have to like WE
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have to fight that back. This is not you
know whether it is should be done or not
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it is more like how much energy and how [
__ ] your ass should be on on fire to
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fight those. Smart also doesn't mean smart
and by that I mean that a lot of Engineers
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believe that they they you know they can
open a [ __ ] Wikipedia page, so they know
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everything about the world. But it is not
the case a lot of Engineers fail miserably
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in understanding how the world is working
how the society is working so if we
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develop technological solutions to certain
problems we do have to work with
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sociologists Political scientists with
activists to understand how those
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technologies will influence the world you
know:
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very many ovations
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The time is [ __ ] running out and I'm not
talking about all only about ecological
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catastrophe but also technologically
speaking. We are in the race with you know
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the dictators and authoritarian regimes
who want to enforce and make their regime
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stronger through Technologies, face
recognition systems and all this [ __ ]
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that is making the state way stronger
against the society so yeah get your [ __
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] done and get your [ __ ] like going
already now today, you know. And digital
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resistance is part of a broader Uprising
so do not see yourself you know as a
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hackers community that exist in isolated
world and you're in a bubble and [ __ ]
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like that but rather if we want to stop
like technological dictatorships or
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whatever [ __ ] you can imagine we
actually have to work together,
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technological activists, Street activists,
Community organizers all of those get
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together and fight against the
dictatorships fight against the
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authoritarian attacks on us, on our
society, on our families, on our friends
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and only then we can win thank you!
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Applause
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Music
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Angel: I have one more thing ...
Boris: And don't forget to donate to our
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group we are not like getting money for
ourselves we're collecting money for the
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political prisoners so don't forget to do
that this is an important part of just
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supporting the struggle.
Angel: Yeah Applaus so we have a couple
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minutes for questions but if you have to
leave, leave super quietly and also a
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question is a short sentence with a
question mark behind it not a long essay.
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I have chat GPT for that and we have a
question from the the signal Angel by the
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way the microphones are up front here here
1 2 3 4 that's where you have to stand in
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order to do a question signal Angel go
ahead.
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Signal Angel: Yes the internet wants to
know what you expect Microsoft or Skype to
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do for example blocking Belarus as a whole
or wouldn't that also negatively impact
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the activist? What's your opinion on that?
Boris: I mean I don't think that blocking
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Skype like or Skype stopping providing
services in bellus would negatively affect
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activist scene, nobody in activist scene
was using Skype right? On the other side
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like you do have mechanisms of black
listing cord IPS at least you know like
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this is Belarusian state is not you know
super sophisticated going to connect to
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the [ __ ] bpn and [ __ ] like that, but
rather you block those and the court is
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already not doing that. The thing with the
Microsoft and Skype is that it's story of
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the past because right now they switched
to Viber so like this is this is gone,
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like they did their part and nobody will
most probably remember that and I mean
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honestly [ __ ] Microsoft.
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few ovations
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Angel: We're running out of time question
for Num 3.
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-Okay I have a question how much would a
better and more secure VPN technology and
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better anonymizing systems help in these
kinds of situations and what what has the
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Bella russian State done against using VPS
into foreign countries?
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B: I mean in the first days of the
protests in the first days of the uprising
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the whole internet infrastructure was
gone. Like there were certain ways to go
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around the blocking that were connected
with telegram proxies, I have no [ __ ]
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clue how they managed to do it
successfully but they did and in general
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like the internet was just not working. So
it doesn't matter if you have VPN and a
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Tor, the internet doesn't work and later
on when they unlocked the internet they
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were very slow in reacting to the fast
protest community so in those cases VPNs
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very important somehow but for us at that
point the the local organizing and
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providing infrastructure for the local
organizers was way more important. So also
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like building decentralized networks
inside of the country sometimes is way
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more crucial to the protests than getting
out to the services that are outside of
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the country and that's what was happening
as well. But in general like it's still an
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important part of fighting back like
having a reliable VPN or any other
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anonymizing and like censorship circumsing
Technologies. How to develop those more
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successfully? I have no [ __ ] clue
honestly. Because those like the fight
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against those are going on very fast and I
like I can't answer this, I'm very sorry.
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Herald: So we might be able to squeeze in
another two questions very briefly. on
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number one.
-How bad is the suppression of the APC
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Belarus activists and can you safely
reside inside Belarus without getting
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arrested immediately or do you have to
flee into Exile?
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B: Like in general not talking only about
us but the bigger political spectrum of
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all the groups that are providing
solidarity work all of them are gone like
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from Belarus. So all of the activists from
Liberal also human right defending groups
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and so on had to leave and if you would be
identified as a member of such a group
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inside of the country this would be enough
to prosecute you and to put I mean any
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case they want on you. This is not a you
know like a legal state but rather they
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prosecute you and that's it. And with the
case of activist Anarchist activists in
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general there are laws that would allow
them to make a group extremist
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organization that doesn't need a core
decision and through that you can get like
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five six seven years in prison easily
without any other actions you know. And
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this is happening to certain solidarity
groups already yeah. So we also have in
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tomorrow in like a self-organized sessions
a bigger presentation another collegue
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will be doing that about repressions in
Belarus about the political situation less
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like focused on Technologies more focused
on social political situation so if you
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want to know a little bit more about that
you can come there and ask your questions
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and and [ __ ] like that.
Herald: I would suggest that for anybody
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in the room but we will take one last
question very briefly from the signal
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Angel and then we'll have to call it quits
unfortunately.
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Signal Engel: Yes another question
regarding the use of encryption. It is if
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theography is used with to encryption or
instead of encryption in Belarus by
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activists.
B: I mean we do not have so many people
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who were like technologically savvy and
were participating in the protests that's
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why nobody was hiding messages like that
but we did have like a collective for
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example that developed a telegram app
that would have like a double I don't know
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how it's in English like a double
something double like basically you have
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two accounts in the telegram and one of
those accounts like is is is a very nice
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fluffy you don't do anything and that's
where what the cops see and then you need
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to put a password to get another one so we
got like this kind of hiding your activity
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on the internet but this was I think like
the biggest people can imagine using on
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their smartphones. In general like we have
to understand that technological savy is
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dropping right people when people are
using smartphones they know less about
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Technologies than they did like 10 years
ago so people are capable of doing less
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and less and less yeah.
Herald: So that's all the questions we can
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take please help me thank him for this
wonderful talk something we never and...
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B: Thanks for doing it!
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a lot of ovations
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