[Script Info]
Title: 
[Events]
Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text
Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.00,0:00:13.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}37C3 preroll music{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.51,0:00:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Applaus{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.50,0:00:24.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boris: All right so everybody can hear me\Nvery well. My name is Boris I'm part of the
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.15,0:00:27.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ABC black cross Belarus and I will be\Ntalking about tractors Rockets and the
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.72,0:00:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet and I have very short time so you\Nwill see very few things of those. ne
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.68,0:00:37.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing we are in the saal G because I didn't\Nwant to be in the saal Z. Z as it's kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.32,0:00:46.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like ideologically doesn't pass for people\Nin the Eastern Europe {\i1}laughter, applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.82,0:00:51.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah and yeah. We will have like a short\Nquestion answer section in the end. What
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.78,0:00:55.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the [ __ ] is ABC-Belarus? Many of you\Ndon't know, we are like an activist
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.22,0:00:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anarchist Collective that supports for the\Nlast 15 years. People who ended up in
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.15,0:01:04.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prison fighting dictatorship in the\Ncountry. Since our existence beginning of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.39,0:01:08.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our existence we never had any people or\Nwe never had a situation where we never
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.39,0:01:12.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had people in the prison so people are\Nconstantly in prison in Belarus in the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.51,0:01:17.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last 15 years fighting the dictatorship. We\Ndo solidarity work also with those who are
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.07,0:01:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the people who are in prisons so\Ntheir families and so on we also promote,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.60,0:01:27.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we we promoting we don't have so much time\Nleft anymore, but before building up a
Dialogue: 0,0:01:27.10,0:01:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,security culture so for the activists to\Nknow how to go around the new mechanisms
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.02,0:01:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a dictatorship to suppress the\Npopulation. We do collect a little bit of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.46,0:01:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,data from like the courts, so we see what\Nthe government is using for example to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.96,0:01:46.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crack the laptops, we see all this [ __ ]\Ncoming up in in the documents from time to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.04,0:01:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time and this is not a talk about our\Ngroup so you can check out our website and
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.30,0:01:55.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see what is it about so tractors here they\Nare they don't always look like that
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.86,0:02:01.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes they look like that tractors\Nare one of the important parts of like for
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.07,0:02:05.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you to imagine how Belarusian industry\Nlooks like so after collapse of the Soviet
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.25,0:02:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Union Belarusia Bellarus was and remained\Nlike a zone of heavy and Light Industry
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.34,0:02:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,production of tractors but also we had\Nindustry that was connected with war or
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.26,0:02:24.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,militarism of the Soviet Union right? So\Nthere are factories that are producing
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.19,0:02:28.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,small chips for the rockets and [ __ ]\Nlike that and this continues so partly
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.61,0:02:33.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Russian war industry on Belarus in\Nproduction of the Rockets the situation
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.66,0:02:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you know Russian Rockets hit wrong\NTarget in Ukraine also connected with the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.92,0:02:42.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fact that Belarusian workers are stealing\Nprecious metals from the factories. So
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.36,0:02:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like those produced chips are working like\N[ __ ] and we do have it but it's not like
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.32,0:02:51.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Taiwan or something like that it's more\Nlike imagine Soviet Union post Soviet
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.81,0:02:58.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Union country that people are doing like\Nsome outdated Technologies. Yeah. So those
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.19,0:03:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are like the topic about the Rockets.\NBelarus is participating in the war
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.68,0:03:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,efforts of Russia right now and it was\Nparticipating for very long in buildup to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.56,0:03:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the war, so helping producing enough\Nrockets and enough of the you know like
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.91,0:03:18.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,flying [ __ ] that goes to Ukraine right\Nnow. However after collapse of the Soviet
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.27,0:03:22.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Union Belarus became also very dependent\Nand it was dependent and became dependent
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.08,0:03:26.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on Russian resources so oil gas and all\Nthis [ __ ] comes mostly from Russia
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.66,0:03:32.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,economically dependent on Russia and\Nthat's politically dependent as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.77,0:03:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Talking about Lukashenka, so belorus is a\Ndictatorship that ruled by this guy, next
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.84,0:03:42.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,year is 30 years anniversary. Lukashenka\Nand Technologies he's a very special
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.05,0:03:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,character you can do like lectures in\Nuniversities about his personality. I will
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.08,0:03:51.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do a couple of quotes about how he\Nperceives Technologies and how he sees
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.27,0:03:56.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,himself in the technological World. For\Nexample "we do not need an imported system
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.07,0:04:02.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for falsifying elections, we will create\Nour own one run by the State" and thas is connected
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.79,0:04:11.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this notion that for the you know successful dictatorship you don't need some things, you can \Nproduce dictatorship in the country yourself.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.29,0:04:21.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of things that are happening in Belarus are homemade\Nshit. As a child I was groing among animals and plans, so he is
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.85,0:04:27.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very close to the nature he thinks also\Nshows his like attitude to Technologies
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.49,0:04:31.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the last part is "I even don't have a\Nmobile phone I'm looking at other
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.38,0:04:35.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presidents and see how they're preoccupied\Nwith their iPhones I'm not doing that I
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.77,0:04:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know what security is" and even more "I\Nhave enough people who can do that for me".
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.40,0:04:45.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's an important factor Lukashenka\Nknows how to drive a tractor, he doesn't
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.28,0:04:50.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know how to operate iPhone most probably.\NBut he's he has this mentality that
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.20,0:04:54.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,understands okay I need enough smart\Npeople around me who will help me to go
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.37,0:04:58.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the modern world and that's what\Nhe's doing a lot. So he has quite a huge
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.85,0:05:02.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's say cabinet of people who are\Nhelping him out to figure out the modern
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.59,0:05:06.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world in a different directions\Npolitically technologically wise
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.01,0:05:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,economically. Although Belarus is a\Ndictatorship it is a country that was for
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.50,0:05:18.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many years a partner of the European Union.\NIt changed recently before 2020 protest
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.59,0:05:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before the uprising of 2020 European Union\Nwas cooperating with Belarus on the border
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.64,0:05:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,security, what they're doing also in turkey\Nand many other authoritarian regimes. So
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.16,0:05:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for European politicians to protect the\Nborders build up a fences it's fine to
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.68,0:05:35.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have like a bloody dictator that is ready\Nto kill people. So that's what European
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.78,0:05:40.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Union was doing and that involved also\Ntransaction of Technologies so for example
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.23,0:05:43.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you go to the Belarusian border and you\Nget in controlled and you have this huge
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.95,0:05:47.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,x-ray machine that is going to x-ray your\Ncar or whatever [ __ ] you have and it's
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.66,0:05:50.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,written like there's a plate that says\Nlike this machine is financed by the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.69,0:05:53.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,European Union and you think like wow\Nthank you European Union, you're like
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.96,0:05:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really helping democracy in Belarus. So\NEuropean Union was also investing a lot in
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.89,0:06:04.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the infrastructure projects inside of the\Ncountry roads and [ __ ] like that this
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.25,0:06:07.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was connected also because Belarus is\NTransit country so you need a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.54,0:06:12.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Transit between Russia and Europe not\Nanymore but before it was the case right
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.45,0:06:18.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody wanted to trade with Russia a\Nlot still do. Also some countries inside
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.53,0:06:22.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the European Union were supporting\Npolice efforts in Belarus, there was a
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.07,0:06:27.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,huge scandal in Germany, that German cops\Nwere bringing Belorussian Riot cops to
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.18,0:06:31.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,evictions of or like protection of\NGorleben transport like the nuclear waste
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.66,0:06:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transport back in the days. So they\Nwouldn't have like Belorussian cops hitting
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.32,0:06:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you you know but they would have them like\Njust sitting next to you and and watching
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.13,0:06:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how the German cops are working and that's\Nwhere for example Belarusian cops learned
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.30,0:06:47.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to film everything at the demonstrations\Nor at some events so they're also running
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.38,0:06:51.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with these cameras and filming and then\Npost factum might apply repressions to the
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.31,0:06:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who were participating in the\Nprotests. And some of the cameras were
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.44,0:07:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,donated generously by the German state to\Nthe Belarusian cops. And there are many
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.00,0:07:09.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more other money flows like ecological,\Ntechnological also private public
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.68,0:07:14.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything goes in Belarus, dictatorship\Nyes but I mean money you know that cross
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.09,0:07:20.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the border easily. Very simple\NTechnologies to fight the population,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.13,0:07:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,water cannons were brought from Canada so\Nwe had this fancy water Canadian water
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.31,0:07:29.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cannons. I will show you how Belarussian\Npeople hacked those during the protests
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.06,0:07:34.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very easy. Camera usage for documentation\Nas I was mentioning cops running around
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.10,0:07:37.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with cameras all the time. This is they\Nwhat they learned from the German cops
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.78,0:07:42.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were like a new technologies that\Nwere like mobile car Shields so they bring
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.93,0:07:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it up to block the whole street. Russians\Nhave like bigger machines belarusians have
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.68,0:07:51.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smaller machines but in general the idea\Nis that you you have this kind of like a a
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.16,0:07:54.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,truck that brings a huge shield and you\Nblock the whole street so protesters
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.82,0:08:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cannot go through it. And crowd control\Nequipment from other countries like we had
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.96,0:08:05.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tear gas from Czech and stun grenades from\NCzech and Israelis and so on so like
Dialogue: 0,0:08:05.37,0:08:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody were delivering and providing\Nweapons to Belarus as if it's like sure
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.12,0:08:14.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know we know that you doing some [ __\N] there but have it for you. But there are
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.90,0:08:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some other funny you know like hacking\Nfrom Belarusian state so for example here
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.68,0:08:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like during the protest people were\Nputting Flags like white red white flags
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.34,0:08:31.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which were the protest Flags [ __ ] I have\Nto put the sound in one second, but it's
Dialogue: 0,0:08:31.91,0:08:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not really important what people was\Nlaughing about him {\i1}some laughs{\i0}. So yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.46,0:08:41.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is one of the hack that this is I\Nthink somebody connected with the ban
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.52,0:08:48.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,State who was trying to remove the flag\Nthen we have like this systems of
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.71,0:08:53.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,notification in the city that were used to\Nplay like a patriotic music during the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.79,0:08:59.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protests which Belarusian state was doing\Ntrying to like you know demoralize the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.46,0:09:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protesters looks [ __ ] bizarre and\Ncrazy and that was the hacking part of the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.12,0:09:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Canadian water cannon. Belarussian people\Nare very creative you can see you love
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.32,0:09:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hacking we all love hacking that's how you\Nhack the the water cannon.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.50,0:09:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.53,0:09:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Later on they stopped using them\Nbecause this what happened to them when
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.46,0:09:28.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you hack them
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.87,0:09:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Music{\i0} yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.94,0:09:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But they were they were very open for\Nhacking like nothing is closed you can
Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.62,0:09:46.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just open and take it away. Internet in\NBelarus right, so this is a separate topic,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.56,0:09:50.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we we are the country of the post Soviet\Nso we didn't have internet for very long I
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.72,0:09:55.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think like the general consumers market\Nfor the internet opened like beginning of
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.66,0:10:01.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2000s maybe middle of 2000s I got my\Ninternet connection first 2004 - 2005 so
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.62,0:10:05.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet is a is a is kind of like a thing\Nthat was developing very slowly but then
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.93,0:10:12.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it exploded. One of the things was for\Nexample internet like online
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.62,0:10:19.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrastructure was used for the protests\Nin 2005, wrong date, of the elections
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.15,0:10:24.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we had like a protest camp on the\Nstreets and people set up an indymedia
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.93,0:10:30.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,media information point which was\Nbroadcasting updates online life you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.67,0:10:34.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this was one of the first situations\Nin Belarus where the website started
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.17,0:10:38.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,getting blocked. So Belarus in IND media\Nwas the first attemp of Belarusian state
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.67,0:10:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to fight certain content on the internet.\NThere was like mirrors there was a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.80,0:10:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solidarity also from outside. So this\Nworked pretty well for the protesters
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.70,0:10:51.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't work so well for the government. The\Nprotest was smashed, but for a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.04,0:10:54.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people the opportunity of organizing\Nthrough the internet became very obvious
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.53,0:11:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and people started using it in mass. Later\Non Belarusian State started blocking from
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.40,0:11:05.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2016 Tor network with different success\Nof course like you can't block it with
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.64,0:11:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tractors putting it on the road so you\Nneed more sufficient you know like or
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.68,0:11:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,complicated systems and of course you\Ncan't get them easily in Belarus from the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.81,0:11:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,factories that are producing Rockets. You\Ncan't hit the Tor network with the rocket.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.80,0:11:24.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So like they started searching for those\Nand you can see that like three years
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.74,0:11:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Belarusian cops were going to security\Ncongresses where like this private
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.00,0:11:33.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies was selling [ __ ] to anybody\Npretty much and they were searching for
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.06,0:11:37.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Solutions, there were like for 2014 I think\Nthere was a hacking team Italian hacking
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.37,0:11:41.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,team leak where we figure out that\NBelarusian state was trying to buy
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.18,0:11:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something from Italians and stuff like\Nthat, right? So at the end of the day they
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.44,0:11:48.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,got some stuff in 2016 and slowly started\Napplying more and more censorship in on
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.72,0:11:52.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet, Anarchist websites\Noppositional websites starting getting
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.13,0:11:57.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blocked in 2020 this system like exploded\Nin Mass so we have like hundreds and
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.56,0:12:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hundreds of the websites some of them like\Nyou know islamist [ __ ] and and stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.12,0:12:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like that but some of them are legit\Noppositional anarchists and stuff like
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.40,0:12:13.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that are blocked and you can't access\Nthem through like a normal Network. Yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.41,0:12:20.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and right now because Belarusian state was\Nunder attack for quite often from certain
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.69,0:12:25.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,groups, a lot of websites governmental\Nwebsites kind of created a white listing
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.21,0:12:31.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just for belarussian IPs so you can't go to\Nthe belarussian state websites from outside.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.43,0:12:35.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a lot of people paradoxically left the\Ncountry live in Exile but use Belarusian
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.67,0:12:42.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,VPN to know if they're included in\Nextremist the terrorist lists. Yeah so one
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.19,0:12:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more thing about Belarusian internet and\NBelarusian like communication
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.44,0:12:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrastructure is sorm, some of you have\Nheard about it this is like a saying that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.25,0:12:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was developed for many years and there are\Ndifferent versions of it and it's pretty
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.16,0:13:00.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much backdoor like legal back door to put\Ninto the networks of the communication
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.91,0:13:07.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,providers before it was just a \Ncell network now it's also
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.39,0:13:11.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet Network and so on internet\Nproviders you just put a black box and the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.46,0:13:15.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cops somewhere on the other side of the of\Nthe country can have access to your
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.31,0:13:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,network directly and they can see all the\Nwhat is happening on the network and they
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.74,0:13:25.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know like clone easily IDs and so on\Nand so forth. So they are like owning
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.01,0:13:29.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pretty much the net the private networks\Nof the private providers also what is not
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.58,0:13:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mentioned on the slides Belarusian\Ninternet is in one way or another is
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.07,0:13:39.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,governmental so you have like one exit for\Nthe internet to the outside world and this
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.89,0:13:43.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is controlled by the state and all the\Nprivate companies that are working with
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.57,0:13:47.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the internet are actually like renting\Ninternet from the state and then reselling
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.39,0:13:52.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it to the private biders. Internet\Ncensorship. So I was telling you that they
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.62,0:13:57.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were going and buying [ __ ] on the market\None of the things that kind of blew out
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.93,0:14:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we figure out in 2020 was this company\Nsandvine you might have heard about it
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.93,0:14:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were selling pretty much the the gear\Nthe hardware for for censoring traffic in
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.50,0:14:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first days after elections. But the\Nnetwork was set up already for longer so
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.71,0:14:20.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was not like s Vine is rushing into\NMinsk and on the day of Elections but
Dialogue: 0,0:14:20.09,0:14:23.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather this was sold for some years before\Nand the Belarusian and state was successfully
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.71,0:14:29.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using it and on the day of Elections like\Nwe lost internet connection for most of
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.76,0:14:35.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the country. There was also coming a lot\Nof assistance days following that from
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.46,0:14:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Russian and Chinese government who would\Ntry to you know nav help to navigate
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.24,0:14:44.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Belarusian government through the fact\Nthat they basically shut down not only
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.75,0:14:47.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a protest infrastructure but their\Nown infrastructure because a lot of their
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.77,0:14:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,own [ __ ] was dependent on the internet\Nand that was one of the reasons why
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.40,0:14:55.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,internet was returned to Belarus three\Ndays later as a lot of repressive
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.21,0:15:00.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrastructure was not working for the\Nstate. Yeah so those were very supportive
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.58,0:15:05.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Belarusian regime and they're still\Ndoing that but there were some also
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.01,0:15:09.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,private companies that were helping\NBelarus to deal with the protests
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.43,0:15:16.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Microsoft I mean there is a lot of pirated\NMicrosoft installs but Skype server
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.47,0:15:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infrastructure was used for prosecuting\Nprotesters, this was very handy so you
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.74,0:15:25.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would have a court, where there will be\Nlike just a computer standard, like it's
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.07,0:15:28.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not really technological country so much\Nright? So in the court there will be a
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.72,0:15:32.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,laptop and there would be like a guy in\Nthe Mask who would be a witness in the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.34,0:15:36.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,case of the of the protesters and it takes\Naround like 2 minutes to prosecute the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.71,0:15:41.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,person for them to get like 15 25 days in\Nprison. The person leaves and then there
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.51,0:15:45.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a new case and quite often there were\Nlike the same cops basically testifying
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.58,0:15:49.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the people on many on multiple\Noccasions and this provided a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.46,0:15:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anonymity from one side for the\Ninfrastructure of repressions because the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.00,0:15:56.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cops didn't ha:ve to be at the place and\Nthey couldn't be identified but on the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.61,0:16:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other side it provided allso this kind of\Nlike a mobility of repressions. You don't
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.68,0:16:05.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need to bring another cop who would stand\Nthere and he doesn't know what to read and
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.12,0:16:10.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say and so on and so forth. So this was\Nthere and this was like Skype was not in
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.43,0:16:14.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any way you know and Microsoft was not in\Nany way reacting how the Belarusian state
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.93,0:16:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is using their services in the country at\Nthat .Then we had cinezis, cinezis is like
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.04,0:16:24.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Belarusian company that was developing a\Nface recognition system and this smart
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.55,0:16:30.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,City [ __ ] and all the crap you can find\Non the pages of the internet days. So one
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.87,0:16:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the products they had was keypod and\Nthis was basically like a life face
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.36,0:16:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,recognition system that they installed in\NMinsk. And this keypod was used for
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.47,0:16:45.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,identifying also protesters during the\Nprotests and also identifying High Target
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.85,0:16:50.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like high political Targets in the city at\Nsome point. So for example one of the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.42,0:16:56.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,congress warrs an anarchist was arrested\Nthrough like a common operation of keypod.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.27,0:16:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was telling the police that he's\Nthere so they would follow him to the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:59.56,0:17:03.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,place where he was living underground and\Nso on and so forth. So, face recognition
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.60,0:17:08.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,system worked pretty well in certain\Nsituations right? They were also using
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.41,0:17:13.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like their own face recognition system for\Npostprocess so they get images of high
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.38,0:17:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resolution from Big crowds like 100,000\Npeople and from there they would pick up
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.73,0:17:22.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some faces of the protesters and this\Nwould be like ending up in the court cases
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.59,0:17:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the people. So you would have like a\Nprint out from keod system that was saying
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.86,0:17:31.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,okay we identify this person like this and\Nthat. The CEO of the company is like a son
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.56,0:17:37.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the KGB agent so they had like a lot of\Nconnections with the state and what else
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.80,0:17:42.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is here? Like the company itself was\Ntrying to present itself, we are like an
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.62,0:17:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IT company that is doing just a you know\Nlike a nice thing for everybody and make
Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.98,0:17:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people happy in Belarus. But reality was\Ndifferent and we figured that also po
Dialogue: 0,0:17:52.32,0:17:57.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,factum I think a month later there was a\Nbigger article published on what they're
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.12,0:18:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing and how they are basically like\Nhelping out the Belarusian state to
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.53,0:18:07.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suppress the uprising. And here we also\Nhave a great Corporation Called Intel that
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.51,0:18:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't you know for whom money also\Ndoesn't smell it's it's very funny because
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.52,0:18:18.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intel was very proud of cooperating with\Ncinezis till 2022 even though cinezis was
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.41,0:18:22.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on sanction under sanctions in the\NEuropean Union by that time but US was not
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.91,0:18:27.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sanctioning. So when the fullscale war in\NUkraine broke broke out cinezis ended up
Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.02,0:18:32.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on us sanction list so intel was like okay\Nwe we this is not good imagery for us, so
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.19,0:18:36.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they deleted the keypod page from their\Nwebsite, where they were very proud of it
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.51,0:18:42.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if you search keypod Intel it's you\Nstill find a Chinese page like a page in
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.50,0:18:46.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chinese on the Intel website that still\Ndoes like all this [ __ ] advertisement we
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.59,0:18:49.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are helping human rights and developing\NTechnologies and progress and blah blah
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.86,0:18:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blah. So Intel is still partly proud of\Ncooperating with the repressive
Dialogue: 0,0:18:54.28,0:18:59.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organization in belarus but only for the\NChinese market most probably. Social
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.75,0:19:04.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,networks, so there is like a certain you\Nknow a hype around that telegram was used
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.49,0:19:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot to coordinate protest and so on and\Nso forth but reality I mean and it was
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.00,0:19:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but reality the other side of the coin was\Nthat we ended up in quite a [ __ ] storm
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.36,0:19:23.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because people could be identified through\Nthe telegram or the way telegram is built
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.05,0:19:28.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through ID IDs like the unique IDs that\Nare doesn't matter if you change the phone
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.14,0:19:32.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,number and so on and so forth. So a lot of\Npeople ended up being prosecuted because
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.64,0:19:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they did some [ __ ] on telegram and in\Nlike the further we went after repressions
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.16,0:19:42.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the uprising the more ridiculous those\Ncould be, like even putting you know a [
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.62,0:19:48.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,__ ] Emoji under information that a KGB\Nagent was shot during a raid would be
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.15,0:19:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enough to start criminal prosecution\Nagainst you. So those things became very
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.83,0:19:58.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,problematic and at the end of the day\Nwe've seen that Belarusian in state is
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.88,0:20:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,observing not only telegram but also other\Nsocial networks. Telegram at that point
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.13,0:20:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was not really Cooperative with\Nbelarussian State and they were still
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.62,0:20:11.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,selling like Durov was still selling this\Nyou know image of we are like for the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.86,0:20:18.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,human rights and for people and all this [\N__ ] but by the time like a year later
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.47,0:20:24.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we ended up with a situation when the\Nprotest like died out that Durov started
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.14,0:20:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,blocking like telegram started blocking\Ncertain website certain [ __ ] not
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.62,0:20:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,websites certain channels in telegram\Nthat were for example dedoxing police or
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.48,0:20:38.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,documenting police violence and and court\Ncases and so on and so forth. So those
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.07,0:20:41.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,channels are for example like U there is a\Nchannel that is called Belarusian
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.66,0:20:44.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,punishers that has a list of police\Nofficers who were responsible for the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.90,0:20:52.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,violence and this is blocked on Telegram\Nand you can't find it. Official point of
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.31,0:20:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like telegram this is not us saying, they\Nsaid okay Apple actually forced us to do
Dialogue: 0,0:20:56.50,0:21:01.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that but reality is that it goes both\Nways. You know like you have to cooperate
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.23,0:21:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with each other for this to to happen and\Nthis was happening on one side on the
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.88,0:21:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other side telegram was blocking also\Nchannels of the same kind of groups in
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.22,0:21:16.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Russia that were also dedoxing cops who\Nwere using violence and who were
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.15,0:21:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,participating in repressions even after\Nthe fullscale invasion. So we see a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.88,0:21:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,censorship and a lot of cooperation\Nhappening after like the protest, so
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.56,0:21:29.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during the the active phase like they\Nwould be like yeah we standing with you
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.01,0:21:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're almost one so we would like to\Nbe with you but when you know they see
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.68,0:21:37.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the status quo is maintained they\Nstart cooperating they start like
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.53,0:21:42.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,following the laws of the country even if\Nthose laws are oppressive or doesn't make
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.49,0:21:47.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any [ __ ] sense and so on and so forth.\NYeah and vkontakte, I think you know this
Dialogue: 0,0:21:47.68,0:21:52.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is like a social network in Russia, they\Nare like completely working with FSB and
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.71,0:21:56.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and [ __ ] and Belarusian State also has\Npretty much direct access on what you're
Dialogue: 0,0:21:56.14,0:22:01.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing there. So there there were some\Npeople organizing but for even like normal
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.97,0:22:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people it became clear that like don't use\NRussian social networks, this is like a
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.02,0:22:10.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bad idea and then apparently you shouldn't\Nuse Chinese social networks and maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.77,0:22:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't use social networks in general\Nbecause a lot of them have like a
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.40,0:22:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potential of repressions of not on the\Nindividuals but the social movements and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:19.33,0:22:25.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and [ __ ] like that. Mobile phones and\Ndata collection. So what did we figure out
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.94,0:22:32.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,during the protests and and the last years\Ncelebrate of course they are [ __ ] happy
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.34,0:22:37.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to to sell themselves to any repressive\Nregime so Belarus is not an exception and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:37.82,0:22:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they they're they they were used they're\Nstill used so belarusan state is still
Dialogue: 0,0:22:41.76,0:22:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,buying celebrite licenses through some\Nthird party companies and I mean sanctions
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.66,0:22:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is is a [ __ ] joke in general. And even\Nthe companies who are saying we are not
Dialogue: 0,0:22:50.40,0:22:55.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doing that in most cases they are doing\Nthat but through the third party. Data
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.72,0:23:01.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dumps so through cellebride but through\Nother certain other companies you just get
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.16,0:23:06.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a set of phones right and I don't\Nknow there would be like 500 people
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.46,0:23:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,detained there would be all the phones\Nconfiscated and the cops would be dumping
Dialogue: 0,0:23:11.14,0:23:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the data from those phones and then\Nyou know like they wouldn't have a time to
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.56,0:23:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go through this data at the point but then\Nyou might be prosecuted in half a year
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.32,0:23:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,later for what they found from those\Nphones. And also you know like there is a
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.22,0:23:30.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot discussions you're the Congress as\Nwell and in general in the security
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.02,0:23:34.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Community the strong passwords you know\Nencryption is very important but we
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.17,0:23:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,figured out that you know encryption works\Nvery bad if they're torturing you. And
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.12,0:23:43.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was the Belarusian like way to break\Nencryption, they didn't try to you know
Dialogue: 0,0:23:43.59,0:23:48.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make a technological way into this, but\Nrather they [ __ ] you up to the point
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.22,0:23:52.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you decide okay I rather die or I\Ngive them the password and quite often it
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.70,0:23:57.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,worked pretty well and it worked also in\Nthe way like not retrospectively but in a
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.12,0:24:02.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a threaten way so you know, okay some\Npeople were tortured to get access to the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:02.37,0:24:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,encrypted drives and other people would be\Nlike okay I give you the password without
Dialogue: 0,0:24:05.97,0:24:11.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,torture. So encryption doesn't work\Nagainst torture in Belarusian State and in
Dialogue: 0,0:24:11.83,0:24:17.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many other cases and this is yeah it\Ndoesn't matter how perfect your security
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.19,0:24:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,system built technologically wise quite\Noften the human factor is still the the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.17,0:24:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the weakest link in the whole situation.\NThen we had situations where the cops were
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.32,0:24:30.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,impersonating activists. Up to the point\Nwhere they were registering like for
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.90,0:24:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example on the dating apps and putting\Nlike naked pictures that they would get
Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.62,0:24:38.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the data damps and so on and then\Npeople would be calling those activists
Dialogue: 0,0:24:38.43,0:24:42.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hooking up with them and so on and so\Nforth. Sim cloning that's a huge thing
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.98,0:24:49.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I think people should [ __ ] like get\Nengraved in their like brain that's that
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.69,0:24:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your phone and the SIM cards that you get\Ndo not belong to you you are like
Dialogue: 0,0:24:53.25,0:24:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,borrowing them from the companies and\Nquite often if the companies have or the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.18,0:25:01.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,state has access to the companies then the\Nstate owns those and that means the state
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.51,0:25:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,owns your [ __ ] phone number and that\Nmeans phone number is not unique
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.11,0:25:11.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,identification. So we had a lot of\Nsituations where telegram accounts were
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.21,0:25:15.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hijacked by the state just by you know\Nlike cloning the SIM card and getting all
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.55,0:25:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the access and normal person wouldn't put\Na password on your account. Yeah so be
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.70,0:25:27.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aware of that and please like stop using\Nthat for your you know technological
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.83,0:25:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things you're doing or software that you\Nare developing this is not a secure way in
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.50,0:25:40.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any way. This also goes to Signal people.\NTraffic analysis yes as I was mentioning
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.35,0:25:44.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the [ __ ] storm is there so they're\Ntrying to identify what people are doing
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.39,0:25:48.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this might be also a reason for a\Nhouse rate or something like that if your
Dialogue: 0,0:25:48.38,0:25:55.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,traffic looks suspicious. Resistance so\Nresistance unfortunately is very low
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.65,0:26:02.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technologically speaking so there's not so\Nmuch of like you know laser rifles and [
Dialogue: 0,0:26:02.25,0:26:05.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,__ ] like that. But rather and and and\Nthat's like unfortunately the story of
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.91,0:26:11.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resistance against authoritarian regimes,\Nthat normally even when the state has like
Dialogue: 0,0:26:11.82,0:26:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very sophisticated heat guns and [ __ ]\Nlike that people end up on the streets
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.38,0:26:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the stones and sticks and that was\Nthe case also in Belarus. However people
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.50,0:26:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started learning Technologies very fast so\Nthere were a lot of people who learned how
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.80,0:26:33.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to use toxy tor VPN, you see how the whole\Nusage of those Services spiked during the
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.26,0:26:37.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protest and this is not like you know your\N20 30 year old friends but rather like
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.53,0:26:42.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,older people 50 60 who were forced into\Ndoing that, because they are interested in
Dialogue: 0,0:26:42.58,0:26:46.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,joining the protest. So to be part of the\Nprotest you actually have to learn how to
Dialogue: 0,0:26:46.13,0:26:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do those. We also figured out that mesh\Nnetworks although it's such a great idea
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.18,0:26:55.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe one day on the other planet it\Nwill work out but for your average
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.70,0:27:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protester and average participant in in\Nlike an anti-authoritarian uprising this
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.44,0:27:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not the case you can't [ __ ] get them\Nworking and people are not really capable
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.56,0:27:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of of using them. Destruction of\Nsurveillance property so there were people
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.28,0:27:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who would just go around and smash the [\N__ ] cameras that was the way to resist
Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.12,0:27:18.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the facial recognition system. Hacking of\Ninfrastructure so there were a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.79,0:27:23.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different attempts and the biggest one I\Nthink was hacking into the ID database
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.93,0:27:28.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where which brought like a lot of other\Nstuff so there databases of all this
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.83,0:27:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Belarusian citizens their criminal records\Nand and [ __ ] like that available to
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.96,0:27:38.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certain groups right now and this gives\Nalso opportunity to look into police
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.85,0:27:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,activity and what the cops are doing what\Nthey own where they work and so on and so
Dialogue: 0,0:27:43.50,0:27:49.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Forth. The doxxing of the police officers\Nand regime functions like the judges and
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.89,0:27:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other bureaucrats basically as I was\Nmentioning like on telegram you have this
Dialogue: 0,0:27:54.56,0:27:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whole list like thousands and tens of\Nthousands of people there is also a map so
Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.77,0:28:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can have a look if you're living next\Nto a [ __ ] in your house who is like a
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.00,0:28:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,colonel of repression operatus or\Nsomething like that so this is also
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.49,0:28:11.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,helping a lot but it also build up a lot\Nof pressure on the police because police
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.40,0:28:15.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apparently think if you know if you know\Nthe address of the police officer most
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.41,0:28:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably you will go and smash his [ __ ]\Nhouse and kill everybody and so on which
Dialogue: 0,0:28:19.02,0:28:23.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't didn't happen but it did provide a\Ncertain pressure on the repression
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.58,0:28:29.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apparatus. We also ended up with the\Nsolution for like what do you do when the
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.42,0:28:34.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cops torture you for your password for\Nencrypted hard drive you break your hard
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.17,0:28:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,drive and sometimes maybe you wouldn't be\Nable to break your hard drive so you do
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.38,0:28:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like this thing that they do in the movies\Nyou know in US you break the screen. *some
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.73,0:28:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,laughs* Really bizarre right but it works\Nthe the point here and I'm not talking
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.84,0:28:51.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the laptop the point here is you\Nhave a smartphone and there you have
Dialogue: 0,0:28:51.58,0:28:57.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something going on so if you smash it the\Naverage Riot cob guy doesn't know what
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.52,0:29:03.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what to do with it, so he can't torture\Nyou to open it right it doesn't work. And
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.45,0:29:07.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was like a solution for a lot of\Nactivist so basically if you are in the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.20,0:29:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,danger of being arrested you just break\Nthe phone and you have this buffer time
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.69,0:29:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the cops arrest you put you in jail\Nand blah blah blah and this expert comes
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.99,0:29:21.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who knows how to you know open the phone\Nthat has a broken screen. And that's kind
Dialogue: 0,0:29:21.45,0:29:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of like a place where most of the torture\Nhappens so you're capable of avoiding and
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.48,0:29:31.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the cops also figured out that pretty fast\Nso they started trying to get you arrested
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.55,0:29:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before you break that and I have a story\Nlike of a friend who you know like who was
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.06,0:29:38.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,laying on the ground and he was putting\Nhis hand in the pocket and like smashing
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.32,0:29:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the screen and he did it and the cops were\Nlike how did you do that we were formed
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.57,0:29:47.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sitting on you you couldn't [ __ ] move so\Nthese kind of things and these kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.00,0:29:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things I think saved at least a health of\Ncertain people and also there was a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.21,0:29:57.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,online education where there were like\Nworkshops for the people how to figure out
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.93,0:30:02.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out their smartphone security their\Ntelegram security and [ __ ] like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.49,0:30:06.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is one of the examples of online\Neducation that is not connected with the
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.67,0:30:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,security of the smartphones it is more\Nabout production of new technologies
Dialogue: 0,0:30:11.28,0:30:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right? In Belarus not connected the\Ntractors and those are like just to
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.23,0:30:22.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,immobilize the police Vans Yeah so this\Nthis was a lot of this kind of online
Dialogue: 0,0:30:22.81,0:30:27.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,education as well the interesting fact\Nagain that a lot of people were afraid to
Dialogue: 0,0:30:27.13,0:30:31.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,put to do that online education because\Neventually on many social networks you can
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.85,0:30:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get banned for that like if you put you\Nknow how do you say a video how to make
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.13,0:30:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,molotov cocktail this is considered\Nillegal activity and you know your account
Dialogue: 0,0:30:44.24,0:30:54.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be banned and [ __ ] like that and I\Nthink people in not in the first World War
Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.21,0:30:59.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,figure that out a lot. Like people who are\Nin in Palestine and in many other places
Dialogue: 0,0:30:59.16,0:31:02.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,figure that you know the repressions are\Nworking from the private companies against
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.85,0:31:07.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them when they're fighting against the\Nregimes. Conclusions so this is a small
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.99,0:31:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sticker that says if you can't break the\Ndictatorship you can still burn it down.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:12.71,0:31:15.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}laughter{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:31:15.55,0:31:21.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Conclusions are very short there they can\Nthere is a lot to talk about. Capitalism
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.32,0:31:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is [ __ ] evil I mean hundreds of years of\Nthis [ __ ] up story you I hope all of you
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.46,0:31:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,figured this out this is not really a [ __\N] mystery you know you don't have to come
Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.21,0:31:36.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from USSR indoctrinated by Marxism\Nleninism to know that capitalism is evil
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.05,0:31:39.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and capitalism
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.96,0:31:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Many Applaus{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.98,0:31:48.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and capitalism destroys lives not only\Nhere you know like in in Germany in US or
Dialogue: 0,0:31:48.06,0:31:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever and your political life but it\Ndestroys lives everywhere in Belarus,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.12,0:31:56.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Myanmar, Hong Kong, Syria like the [ __ ]\Ncorporations and the [ __ ] private
Dialogue: 0,0:31:56.73,0:32:02.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,business is ready to sell anything even\Ntheir [ __ ] mothers and brothers and
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.57,0:32:09.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sisters to the dictators just to make\Nmoney. Your phone number is not a good ID
Dialogue: 0,0:32:09.82,0:32:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a bad ID don't [ __ ] use it ever\Nbecause it can be easily identified in
Dialogue: 0,0:32:14.36,0:32:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Germany as well in many other countries it\Nis like it it's a [ __ ] like if giving a
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.26,0:32:23.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,passport. Just when you are registering\Nwith your phone number just imagine that
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.15,0:32:25.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're giving a passport to some company\Nright?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:25.91,0:32:28.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Someone from the audience: taking\Npictures.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:28.66,0:32:34.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boris: Yeah password is a good thing,\Nstill, many years after you can also
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.47,0:32:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forget it. You get a concussion you forget\Nit, you get tortured you forget it,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.70,0:32:44.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,password is good right? Surveillance is\Ngood for the state bad for society so all
Dialogue: 0,0:32:44.49,0:32:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those corporations that are selling right\Nnow also in Western world the business of
Dialogue: 0,0:32:50.50,0:32:55.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance they are destroying the\Nsocial glue of the society and this is
Dialogue: 0,0:32:55.83,0:33:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a different topic but but in general\Nlike surveillance is destructive for us as
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.28,0:33:05.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a humankind. Western private companies are\Ncrucial for the dictatorship, we are not
Dialogue: 0,0:33:05.87,0:33:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,living in the world where you know like\Nthe dictators have horses and they are
Dialogue: 0,0:33:09.11,0:33:14.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,riding them into the crowd and like w\Nhooray but rather a lot of technologies
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.53,0:33:19.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are used by the state by the\NBelarusian state but also by Syrian state,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:19.60,0:33:23.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Russian state are not the technologies\Nthat were developed within the small
Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.25,0:33:27.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,states by the local companies but rather a\Nlot of technologies that were brought in
Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.69,0:33:32.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and developed in this countries where we\Nare sitting you know? And they were
Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.45,0:33:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,developed under certain freedom but at the\Nsame time they are now used to engrave the
Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.50,0:33:42.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dictatorship and those dictatorships are\Nspreading like Russia wants to [ __ ]
Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.93,0:33:48.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conquer half of the Europe so you have to\Nbe aware of that and you have to like WE
Dialogue: 0,0:33:48.25,0:33:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to fight that back. This is not you\Nknow whether it is should be done or not
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.04,0:33:58.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is more like how much energy and how [\N__ ] your ass should be on on fire to
Dialogue: 0,0:33:58.13,0:34:05.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fight those. Smart also doesn't mean smart\Nand by that I mean that a lot of Engineers
Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.07,0:34:08.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,believe that they they you know they can\Nopen a [ __ ] Wikipedia page, so they know
Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.70,0:34:14.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything about the world. But it is not\Nthe case a lot of Engineers fail miserably
Dialogue: 0,0:34:14.60,0:34:18.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in understanding how the world is working\Nhow the society is working so if we
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.61,0:34:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,develop technological solutions to certain\Nproblems we do have to work with
Dialogue: 0,0:34:23.14,0:34:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sociologists Political scientists with\Nactivists to understand how those
Dialogue: 0,0:34:27.88,0:34:31.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technologies will influence the world you\Nknow:
Dialogue: 0,0:34:31.40,0:34:38.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}very many ovations{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:34:38.29,0:34:42.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The time is [ __ ] running out and I'm not\Ntalking about all only about ecological
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.93,0:34:47.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,catastrophe but also technologically\Nspeaking. We are in the race with you know
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.69,0:34:52.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the dictators and authoritarian regimes\Nwho want to enforce and make their regime
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.89,0:34:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stronger through Technologies, face\Nrecognition systems and all this [ __ ]
Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.72,0:35:03.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is making the state way stronger\Nagainst the society so yeah get your [ __
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.18,0:35:08.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,] done and get your [ __ ] like going\Nalready now today, you know. And digital
Dialogue: 0,0:35:08.06,0:35:12.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resistance is part of a broader Uprising\Nso do not see yourself you know as a
Dialogue: 0,0:35:12.81,0:35:16.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hackers community that exist in isolated\Nworld and you're in a bubble and [ __ ]
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.69,0:35:21.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like that but rather if we want to stop\Nlike technological dictatorships or
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.40,0:35:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever [ __ ] you can imagine we\Nactually have to work together,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:25.24,0:35:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technological activists, Street activists,\NCommunity organizers all of those get
Dialogue: 0,0:35:29.49,0:35:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together and fight against the\Ndictatorships fight against the
Dialogue: 0,0:35:32.32,0:35:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authoritarian attacks on us, on our\Nsociety, on our families, on our friends
Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.92,0:35:38.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and only then we can win thank you!
Dialogue: 0,0:35:38.15,0:35:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:35:39.15,0:35:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}Music{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:35:40.15,0:36:14.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angel: I have one more thing ...\NBoris: And don't forget to donate to our
Dialogue: 0,0:36:14.07,0:36:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,group we are not like getting money for\Nourselves we're collecting money for the
Dialogue: 0,0:36:17.44,0:36:22.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,political prisoners so don't forget to do\Nthat this is an important part of just
Dialogue: 0,0:36:22.86,0:36:33.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supporting the struggle.\NAngel: Yeah {\i1}Applaus{\i0} so we have a couple
Dialogue: 0,0:36:33.11,0:36:38.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,minutes for questions but if you have to\Nleave, leave super quietly and also a
Dialogue: 0,0:36:38.68,0:36:43.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question is a short sentence with a\Nquestion mark behind it not a long essay.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.65,0:36:48.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have chat GPT for that and we have a\Nquestion from the the signal Angel by the
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.98,0:36:53.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way the microphones are up front here here\N1 2 3 4 that's where you have to stand in
Dialogue: 0,0:36:53.57,0:36:56.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,order to do a question signal Angel go\Nahead.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.59,0:37:02.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Signal Angel: Yes the internet wants to\Nknow what you expect Microsoft or Skype to
Dialogue: 0,0:37:02.75,0:37:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do for example blocking Belarus as a whole\Nor wouldn't that also negatively impact
Dialogue: 0,0:37:08.17,0:37:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the activist? What's your opinion on that?\NBoris: I mean I don't think that blocking
Dialogue: 0,0:37:13.80,0:37:19.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Skype like or Skype stopping providing\Nservices in bellus would negatively affect
Dialogue: 0,0:37:19.35,0:37:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,activist scene, nobody in activist scene\Nwas using Skype right? On the other side
Dialogue: 0,0:37:24.80,0:37:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like you do have mechanisms of black\Nlisting cord IPS at least you know like
Dialogue: 0,0:37:28.78,0:37:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is Belarusian state is not you know\Nsuper sophisticated going to connect to
Dialogue: 0,0:37:33.30,0:37:36.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the [ __ ] bpn and [ __ ] like that, but\Nrather you block those and the court is
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.30,0:37:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already not doing that. The thing with the\NMicrosoft and Skype is that it's story of
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.20,0:37:44.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the past because right now they switched\Nto Viber so like this is this is gone,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:44.87,0:37:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like they did their part and nobody will\Nmost probably remember that and I mean
Dialogue: 0,0:37:49.22,0:37:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,honestly [ __ ] Microsoft.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:52.26,0:37:54.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}few ovations{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.92,0:37:58.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angel: We're running out of time question\Nfor Num 3.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:58.09,0:38:06.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,-Okay I have a question how much would a\Nbetter and more secure VPN technology and
Dialogue: 0,0:38:06.27,0:38:12.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better anonymizing systems help in these\Nkinds of situations and what what has the
Dialogue: 0,0:38:12.58,0:38:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bella russian State done against using VPS\Ninto foreign countries?
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.37,0:38:24.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,B: I mean in the first days of the\Nprotests in the first days of the uprising
Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.08,0:38:27.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the whole internet infrastructure was\Ngone. Like there were certain ways to go
Dialogue: 0,0:38:27.99,0:38:32.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the blocking that were connected\Nwith telegram proxies, I have no [ __ ]
Dialogue: 0,0:38:32.01,0:38:35.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clue how they managed to do it\Nsuccessfully but they did and in general
Dialogue: 0,0:38:35.97,0:38:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the internet was just not working. So\Nit doesn't matter if you have VPN and a
Dialogue: 0,0:38:38.96,0:38:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tor, the internet doesn't work and later\Non when they unlocked the internet they
Dialogue: 0,0:38:45.92,0:38:52.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were very slow in reacting to the fast\Nprotest community so in those cases VPNs
Dialogue: 0,0:38:52.25,0:38:57.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very important somehow but for us at that\Npoint the the local organizing and
Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.14,0:39:02.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,providing infrastructure for the local\Norganizers was way more important. So also
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.25,0:39:05.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like building decentralized networks\Ninside of the country sometimes is way
Dialogue: 0,0:39:05.63,0:39:09.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more crucial to the protests than getting\Nout to the services that are outside of
Dialogue: 0,0:39:09.61,0:39:14.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the country and that's what was happening\Nas well. But in general like it's still an
Dialogue: 0,0:39:14.82,0:39:19.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important part of fighting back like\Nhaving a reliable VPN or any other
Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.68,0:39:28.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anonymizing and like censorship circumsing\NTechnologies. How to develop those more
Dialogue: 0,0:39:28.33,0:39:31.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,successfully? I have no [ __ ] clue\Nhonestly. Because those like the fight
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.29,0:39:37.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against those are going on very fast and I\Nlike I can't answer this, I'm very sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.72,0:39:41.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: So we might be able to squeeze in\Nanother two questions very briefly. on
Dialogue: 0,0:39:41.90,0:39:46.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,number one.\N-How bad is the suppression of the APC
Dialogue: 0,0:39:46.47,0:39:51.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Belarus activists and can you safely\Nreside inside Belarus without getting
Dialogue: 0,0:39:51.01,0:39:54.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,arrested immediately or do you have to\Nflee into Exile?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:54.93,0:40:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,B: Like in general not talking only about\Nus but the bigger political spectrum of
Dialogue: 0,0:40:03.12,0:40:06.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the groups that are providing\Nsolidarity work all of them are gone like
Dialogue: 0,0:40:06.25,0:40:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Belarus. So all of the activists from\NLiberal also human right defending groups
Dialogue: 0,0:40:11.24,0:40:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so on had to leave and if you would be\Nidentified as a member of such a group
Dialogue: 0,0:40:15.64,0:40:19.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inside of the country this would be enough\Nto prosecute you and to put I mean any
Dialogue: 0,0:40:19.71,0:40:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,case they want on you. This is not a you\Nknow like a legal state but rather they
Dialogue: 0,0:40:24.46,0:40:28.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prosecute you and that's it. And with the\Ncase of activist Anarchist activists in
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.81,0:40:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,general there are laws that would allow\Nthem to make a group extremist
Dialogue: 0,0:40:35.62,0:40:39.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organization that doesn't need a core\Ndecision and through that you can get like
Dialogue: 0,0:40:39.82,0:40:45.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,five six seven years in prison easily\Nwithout any other actions you know. And
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.42,0:40:51.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is happening to certain solidarity\Ngroups already yeah. So we also have in
Dialogue: 0,0:40:51.41,0:40:56.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tomorrow in like a self-organized sessions\Na bigger presentation another collegue
Dialogue: 0,0:40:56.46,0:41:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will be doing that about repressions in\NBelarus about the political situation less
Dialogue: 0,0:41:01.31,0:41:05.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like focused on Technologies more focused\Non social political situation so if you
Dialogue: 0,0:41:05.46,0:41:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to know a little bit more about that\Nyou can come there and ask your questions
Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.96,0:41:12.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and and [ __ ] like that.\NHerald: I would suggest that for anybody
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.55,0:41:16.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the room but we will take one last\Nquestion very briefly from the signal
Dialogue: 0,0:41:16.34,0:41:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Angel and then we'll have to call it quits\Nunfortunately.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:18.64,0:41:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Signal Engel: Yes another question\Nregarding the use of encryption. It is if
Dialogue: 0,0:41:24.44,0:41:30.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,theography is used with to encryption or\Ninstead of encryption in Belarus by
Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.29,0:41:35.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,activists.\NB: I mean we do not have so many people
Dialogue: 0,0:41:35.37,0:41:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who were like technologically savvy and\Nwere participating in the protests that's
Dialogue: 0,0:41:39.72,0:41:45.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why nobody was hiding messages like that\Nbut we did have like a collective for
Dialogue: 0,0:41:45.21,0:41:51.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example that developed a telegram app\Nthat would have like a double I don't know
Dialogue: 0,0:41:51.78,0:41:58.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how it's in English like a double\Nsomething double like basically you have
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.53,0:42:04.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two accounts in the telegram and one of\Nthose accounts like is is is a very nice
Dialogue: 0,0:42:04.76,0:42:08.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fluffy you don't do anything and that's\Nwhere what the cops see and then you need
Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.84,0:42:14.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to put a password to get another one so we\Ngot like this kind of hiding your activity
Dialogue: 0,0:42:14.84,0:42:20.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the internet but this was I think like\Nthe biggest people can imagine using on
Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.47,0:42:25.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their smartphones. In general like we have\Nto understand that technological savy is
Dialogue: 0,0:42:25.02,0:42:28.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dropping right people when people are\Nusing smartphones they know less about
Dialogue: 0,0:42:28.85,0:42:33.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Technologies than they did like 10 years\Nago so people are capable of doing less
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.39,0:42:36.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and less and less yeah.\NHerald: So that's all the questions we can
Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.39,0:42:40.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take please help me thank him for this\Nwonderful talk something we never and...
Dialogue: 0,0:42:40.76,0:42:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,B: Thanks for doing it!
Dialogue: 0,0:42:41.76,0:42:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}a lot of ovations{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:42:43.50,0:42:51.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}37c postroll music{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:42:51.60,0:43:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Subtitles created by many many volunteers and\Nthe c3subtitles.de team. Join us, and help us!