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(Host) Good evening. Welcome to the
Grenada Forum,
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an organization dedicated to the truth.
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At the end of the program,
our speaker's presentation,
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there'll be a question-and-answer
program without restriction.
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Feel free to ask any question.
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That's the true meaning of
freedom of speech.
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Even the press is invited to ask
questions, if any of them are here.
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As children, we are taught of
a word called character.
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As adults, we seldom run into
those with it. (laughter)
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Leastwise in the media or
nside the Beltway.
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It takes character to stand alone
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and, like David, challence Goliath.
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Like Terry Reed of Compromised,
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Like Gary Aldrich of Unlimited Access,
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like Chris Ruddy of Death of Vince Foster,
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like Ambrose Pritchard of
The London Daily Telegraph.
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We have men of character in our own midst.
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They seldom are forced into the limelight
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until the conduct of others that betray
their public trust force the issue.
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The fabric of our society has been torn
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by some that have an agenda
and have suppressed it.
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On November 15th of 1996,
just three months ago,
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a dedicated true patriot stood his ground
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and did what we call... what we can appreciate.
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Picture in your mind's eye
CIA Director John Deutch
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on a propaganda mission to Los Angeles
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to calm the waters as a result of article
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that appeared in the
San Jose Mercury News.
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He was hosted by Congresswoman
Juanita McDonalds.
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Without blinking an eye,
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our speaker said,
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"I am a former Los Angeles
Police Narcotics Detective,"
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"And I can tell you that the Agency"
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"has been dealing in drugs in
this country for a long time."
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It is my distinct pleasure and honor
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to greet in the behalf
of the Granada Forum
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and introduce a man who deserves
our respect and attention.
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Please welcome Mr. Michael Ruppert.(applause)
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(Michael) Thank you.
Thank you very much.
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I guess the first thank you
I'd like to give tonight
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is to someone who's not here:
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Mr. Peter Ford of KIAV Radio,
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who introduced me to you all,
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and who made it possible for me
to be here tonight.
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I did a show last night
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from midnight to 2:00,
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and it was a wonderful experience.
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And if what we do tonight is
anything like that,
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I think we're all gonna have a lot of fun.
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I would also like to thank Anne,
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who was very kind to make
arrangements for me tonight.
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In 19 years, this is the first chance,
believe it or not, that I have had
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to address an assembled group of
people on one issue
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and to teach what I know,
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to share my experiences.
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I've done it in snippets;
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I've done it on radio talk shows;
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but never with the opportunity to lay
out some evidence and make a case.
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And I'm very grateful for that:
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it was a long wait.
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And I am here tonight in two capacities.
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If there's any lawyers in the room,
I'll pray for you but... (laughter)
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You know that in a court of law,
they talk about evidence.
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And one of the first kinds,
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and actually the most preferred
kind of direct evidence
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is witness testimony.
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And all over the major media
and in Congress,
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you hear statements that there is
no evidence that CIA deals drugs.
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Well, a wittnss can raise his hand
under oath in court,
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and that becomes evidence when
he tells his story.
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And I have evidence to give you
from my own experience.
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I am also here as a detective,
if you will,
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although I have not carried a bad for...
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since November 30th, 1978,
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I consider myself to have been a detective
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working on one case for all these years.
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And so I'm going to present to you
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some of that evidence tonight.
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I want to start by giving you just
a little historical background;
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and you'll see all these books
on the table here.
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And I don't know if they're
in frame or not;
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they're probably not.
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But you'll see The Big White Lie
by Michael Levine
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who is a former DEA Station Chief
-- or country attaché, they call it --
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from Argentina.
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He was present in Argentina
in 1980
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when the Central Intelligence Agency
installed [in Bolivia] the government
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of Luis García Meza,
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who was a cocaine lord,
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and gave him the whole country.
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And that was done in conjunction
with the Argentine military.
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García Meza's Chief of Security
was Klaus Barbie,
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the Butcher of Lyons.
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So there was heavy Nazi infiltration
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into the Argentinean military.
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Mike Levine was there.
He documented it; he protested it;
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and of course it fell into this black hole
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that those of us in law enforcement
know so well.
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The next book that you see there
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is written by the only man
that I'm aware of
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who's been at this longer
than I have.
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And I'm gonna hold this one up.
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It's called The Politics of Heroin.
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It was originally called The Politics
of Heroin in Southeast Asia,
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by Professor Alfred McCoy.
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Published first in 1972.
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That's 25 years ago, OK?
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It is a Bible for those of us who do this.
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When we talk about names, dates, places:
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the names, the dates, and the places
are in here.
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Now, again, if there's any lawyers
in here,
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lawyers love to sue people, OK?
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Why is it that this book has
never been sued?
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There's a saying in the law:
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"The truth is an absolute defense
against libel."
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OK?
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This is one of our major Bibles.
It's in here.
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It was recently revised and updated
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to include all kinds of information
on Iran-Contra, OK?
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The next book that I want to show you...
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actually, there are two, both written
by the same authors.
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And these two men, I know both of them.
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They're both brilliant men.
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Professor Peter Dale Scott is a Professor
of English, believe it or not,
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at UC-Berkeley.
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He got into this many years ago,
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and he had a Ph.D,
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and he is a dedicated researcher.
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His co-writer, Jonathan Marshall, is a...
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About as rare as a good lawyer,
he's a good reporter.
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He works for the San Francisco Chronicle.
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He's an award-winning journalist.
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Neither one of these two books,
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which name names, dates, places, times,
quantities, relationships, documents
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have ever been sued. Ever. OK?
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So when Jack Blum,
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who was Chief Counsel for this Kerry
Committee during the Iran-Contra era,
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recently testified to your friend
and mine Arlen Spector,
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he said, "We don't need to go out
and investigate: we know."
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What he was alluding to,
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is what is contained specifically
in this book,
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which is all about Iran-Contra.
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Names, dates, places, computer logs:
everything, it's all in here, OK?
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We already know. We don't have
to investigate.
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We know the CIA deals drugs.
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And of course the Los Angeles Times
completely omitted
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any reference to Jack Blum's testimony
in their stories.
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These two books will give you
anything you need to refute...
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you could take Oliver North apart
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with about ten pages from this book alone,
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and bury him. OK?
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The last book that I wanted to show you,
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it's almost impossible to get
in this country.
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I wonder why?
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You can get it in Canada.
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Written by my dear friend
Celerino Castillo.
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Cele was a DEA agent.
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He's a decorated Vietnam vet
who served first in Peru,
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and then in the Iran-Contra era
he served in Central America.
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He served in Honduras and Salvador
and Guatemala;
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and he was at Ilopango Airport,
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which was the major Contra supply
airport in El Salvador
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for the northern front of the
Contra war effort.
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And he describes in this, at the airport,
two hangars:
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Hangar Four and Hangar Five.
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Now, he's got the records.
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Hangar Four was the CIA hangar;
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Hangar Five was the NSC hangar:
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Both controlled by Oliver North.
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He recorded tail numbers;
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he watched the cocaine being loaded;
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he talked to the pilots;
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he got the flight plans;
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he watched as the planes
were given gratis entry
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across the border in the United States.
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He wrote reports.
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And what happened was
Ambassador Edwin Corr
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-- who is now teaching at the
University of Oklahoma at Norman --
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came to Cele and said, "Leave it alone,
bud. It's a White House operation."
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That's evidence. That's a clue.
(laughter)
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Cele had this wonderful experience
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of going to a formal dinner at
the US Embassy in El Salvador.
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And the guest of honor that night
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was Vice-President George
Herbert Walker Bush.
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(audience: "Ooh!")
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So Cele was there, and Bush was there,
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and they bring Bush over to Cele,
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and, "Mr. Vice-President, this is Celerino
Castillo, our senior DEA agent."
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and: "How do you do?" -- Mr. Bush --
"You're a hero to the country."
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Cele said, "Mr. Vice-President:
I've gotta talk to you!"
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"There's something really
wrong going on here!"
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"They're flying drugs out of four and five,
and CIA's behind it!"
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And George Bush said,
"Nice to meet ya,"
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And walked away, you know.
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Don't let anybody tell you
there is no evidence.
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There is a mountain of evidence
already in existence, OK?
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It is irrefutable; it is iron-clad.
All right?
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Now, given that, I want to paint
a little picture for you.
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I want to go back historically,
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because my own experience is going
to add a little dimension to this for you.
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Picture that I have a blackboard behind me
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-- which I don't, OK? --
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But say there's a blackboard
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and we're gonna say that right here
is Southeast Asia,
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and right here is the United States,
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and right here is South America,
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and over here is the Middle East, OK?
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Somebody was talking earlier about
organized crime and CIA.
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And of course, my opinion is CIA is
organized crime. (laughter)
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In the Second World War,
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some deals were made between
the Office of Strategic Services
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and the Mafia in New Orleans.
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We were afraid of Nazi sabotage,
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so we took a guy named Lucky Luciano
out of prison in New York.
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And he guaranteed that there would be
no sabotage on the docks in New York.
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We took a guy named Vito Genovese
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-- I like that: (exaggerated, languorous
Italian accent) Vito Genovese
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And we let him to back to Sicily
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so spy on it so we could go and invade
Sicily when Patton went in there.
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Of course, they went right back
into the drug business.
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They went right back into
their operations.
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The bond is very, very close.
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Stop there: fast-forward to 1954.
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1954: Diên Biên Phu.
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The French were kicked out
of Indochina.
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Now, almost everybody knows that
the Golden Triangle in Indochina
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is where most of the world's heroin
has come from for a long time.
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It is the largest opium-growing
region in the world.
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There are several others.
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The French, in order to sustain their war,
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had been paying the local tribesmen,
the Hmong tribesmen,
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and Kuomintang
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-- the Chinese who were
kicked out of China --
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with opium: which was a long holdover
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from the British opium trade
from the 18th Century.
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When the French went out,
we filled that void,
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and we went some people to Indochina.
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Their names were Aderholt, Singlaub...
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-- does that ring a bell to anybody? --
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there was also a guy by the name
of Paul Helliwell,
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and there was a guy by the name
of Richard Stillwell,
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and these are the people that we
sent into Southeast Asia, CIA,
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to take over where the French left.
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Extremely well-documented.
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And one of the first things
John Singlaub did,
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and one of the first things
Paul Helliwell did,
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was to take over the payment
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of Kuomintang and other
rebels with heroin.
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It was just the way you did business.
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As we moved closer to the Vietnam era,
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that trade began to expand
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because of the relationship
between CIA and the Mafia.
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As we get to the Vietnam War...
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now, again, picture I'm drawing on the
board up here some other names.
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If we fast-forward to the Vietnam era,
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I'm gonna write some other
names in Southeast Asia:
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Theodore Shackley: Station Chief
in Laos; later, Station Chief in Saigon.
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Richard Secord: anybody ever
hear that name? (laughter) Nah.
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Richard Armitage: anybody
ever hear that name?
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Eric von Marbod: anybody
ever hear that name?
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OK. von Marbod was in the military at
the time, Department of Defense.
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They all worked extremely
closely together.
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Tom Clines is another one who was
Ted Shackley's deputy in Laos.
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Extremely well-documented.
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There are still living witnesses.
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There are Air America pilots still alive
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who later became involved in Iran-Contra,
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that we ran the whole war in Laos...
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-- which was completely without, outside
of Congressional oversight --
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with heroin.
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We've all heard the stories about heroin
00:14:13.387 --> 00:14:16.218
coming back in body cavities
in the dead GIs.
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Air America: Air Heroin, OK?
The black planes.
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In the last 19 years, I have spoken
to more than a dozen members
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-- former members --
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of the US Army Special Forces,
the Green Berets,
00:14:28.094 --> 00:14:32.505
who were sometimes ordered
to carry the heroin by CIA.
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We ran this whole war there
on heroin money.
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That heroin money did not
just pay for the war:
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it paid for a lot of other things.
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Now, what happened is...
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-- and the picture I want
to paint to you is --
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I don't know if anyone here is familiar
with the disease of alcoholism? OK?
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I happen to be an alcoholic.
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I'm sober 14 years, OK?
So I know a little bit about it. (applause)
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And what happens is that it's
a progressive disease.
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One is too many, and ten thousand
is not enough.
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Once you take a little,
you have to take more,
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and there's no way to stop
until you crash and burn,
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until you eventually burn yourself out.
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What happened in Vietnam
was that by 1970,
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the heroin trade had spilled over,
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and we were selling it to our own GIs.
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One third of the GIs in Vietnam were
addicted to heroin when they came back.
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OK? They were smoking it or tootin' it.
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They'd get what's called
a stomach jones, OK?
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So, that war continued, I think,
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until the military-industrial complex
kind of milked it for all it was worth,
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and until White Middle America
took to the streets.
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OK?
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1975, it ended.
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Now I'm gonna tell you about my story,
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because this is where I come
into the picture.
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I come from a CIA family.
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I was born in Washington, DC.
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My father was an Air Force officer;
he worked for Martin-Marietta
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building the Titan IIICs which
put up the Keyhole Spy Satellites.
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My father's cousin Barbara was CIA;
00:16:07.181 --> 00:16:10.995
her husband Sam had been OSS,
even before CIA.
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They both did 25, 30 years and
retired from the Agency.
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My mother had been Army Intelligence
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working in the code-breaking section
in the Pentagon
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during the Second World War.
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So I come from a family of spooks,
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and I will tell you: it was a
dysfunctional family. (laughter)
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I was an honors student; I am an honors
graduate in Political Science from UCLA.
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I went there from '69 to '73,
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and I was one of two living Republicans
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on the UCLA campus during
those years. (laughter)
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The other one was a guy by
the name of Craig Fuller.
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Now, I was chosen to intern
for Chief Ed David as LAPD,
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having been groomed and
having already been spotted
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as part of -- what? -- the Establishment?
The in-crowd? An up-and-comer.
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Craig was chosen to intern
for Governor Ronald Reagan.
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Craig was George Bush's Chief of Staff
during Iran-Contra.
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As I was chosen to intern for Chief Davis,
I began...
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I was exposed to people
from Army Intelligence
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and an operation known as Garden Plot.
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I was told that I had a Q Clearance
when I was 20 years old,
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and I had to go home and ask my father
what the hell a Q Clearance was:
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I didn't know!
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In the Organized Crime
Intelligence Division,
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I got exposed to one guy in particular
00:17:31.121 --> 00:17:33.426
by the name of John Xavier Bach,
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and I was told that he had... or, he
was a CIA-connected guy in LAPD.
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Well, it gets to where I'm just about ready
to graduate from UCLA in 1973.
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I'm magna cum laude,
and the world is my oyster.
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I had interned for LAPD for three years.
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My family buys me a plane ticket;
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I go back to Washington, DC,
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and I go for an interview with the CIA
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in the old Executive Office Building.
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And here's this guy behind this desk
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with this huge CIA emblem
on the wall behind him.
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And he says, "Mike, I've looked
at all your stuff."
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"You're just a wonderful kid."
00:18:05.565 --> 00:18:08.638
"You've got a great background; you're in
great shape..." you know, da-da-da.
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"What we'd like you to do is
to graduate from UCLA,"
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join the CIA as a Case Officer...
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-- and a case officer is the highest
rank within the Agency;
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that's the highest level;
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there are levels above that, but
that's the crème de la crème --
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"And we want you to, then, after you're
a CIA Case Officer, go back,"
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"and go through the Los Angeles Police
Department Academy,"
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"and LAPD will be your cover."
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I sat through the interview,
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and I got a stack of papers about
that thick for my clearances,
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and I said, "Thank you very much,"
00:18:38.679 --> 00:18:41.379
and I came back to LA,
and I threw 'em away.
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And I said, "That's illegal. I don't want
anything to do with that."
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I joined LAPD in 1973, was Valedictorian
of my Academy class.
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Went to work in an area
called The Jungle,
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which is down near Crenshaw
and Martin Luther King.
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Was having a great time:
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I was a good cop; I loved it.
I'd never had so much fun in my life.
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I mean, it was what I wanted to do,
and I thrived on it.
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I specialized in narcotics...
00:19:02.589 --> 00:19:05.140
-- and then I met and fell in love
with a CIA agent.
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She came to my regular old cop bar,
and we met and fell in love.
00:19:08.531 --> 00:19:16.102
This is what we call the "unofficial
recruitment." (laughter)
00:19:16.102 --> 00:19:22.850
It was more fun than the one in the office,
I'll tell you that! (laughter)
00:19:22.850 --> 00:19:26.598
And she knew people in LAPD's
intelligence divisions.
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I didn't even know who they were.
00:19:27.919 --> 00:19:30.136
She kept mentioning this General
by the name of Lee Goforth.
00:19:30.136 --> 00:19:32.028
And I'm going, "Well, who the heck is he?"
00:19:32.028 --> 00:19:33.911
"Well, he's a General, and
he deals with terrorists."
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I'm like, "Uh, well, that sounds great."
00:19:35.908 --> 00:19:37.511
Then she'd mention organized
crime figures:
00:19:37.511 --> 00:19:39.455
Carlos Marcello, New Orleans;
00:19:39.455 --> 00:19:44.642
Hank Friedman, Dan Horowitz,
and other naems like that.
00:19:44.642 --> 00:19:48.159
And then she'd tell me things out of my
confidential personnel package at LAPD.
00:19:48.159 --> 00:19:49.481
There are two packages:
one in your division,
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and a master one at Parker Center.
00:19:51.552 --> 00:19:54.435
And then after a while,
when we got engaged,
00:19:54.435 --> 00:19:58.712
she said, "I work for the government."
00:19:58.712 --> 00:20:02.184
"My people are very interested in having
you go to work for me..." or, "for us."
00:20:02.184 --> 00:20:05.808
Bada-bing, bada-boom: and
then she started taking trips;
00:20:05.808 --> 00:20:07.138
and she'd come back from Hawaii and say,
00:20:07.138 --> 00:20:09.550
"Yeah, I was in this room, and there
were 50 kilos of cocaine"
00:20:09.550 --> 00:20:11.712
"And close to a thousand M-16s."
00:20:11.712 --> 00:20:13.053
Now, me being a narc...
00:20:13.053 --> 00:20:18.056
-- by the way: LAPD, when I was in
Watts and I confronted John Deutch said,
00:20:18.056 --> 00:20:23.416
"He's never worked narcotics." OK?
00:20:23.416 --> 00:20:26.329
"United States Department of Justice
Drug Enforcement Administration"
00:20:26.329 --> 00:20:28.374
"Michael Craig Ruppert"
-- that's me --
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I didn't get it for writing
parking tickets.
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I just wanted to do that in case LAPD
was watching. (applause)
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I said, "Look, if I'm ever in a room
with 50 kilos of cocaine,"
00:20:41.192 --> 00:20:44.013
"somebody's going to jail!" (laughter)
00:20:44.013 --> 00:20:46.701
I mean, what's wrong with you people!
00:20:46.701 --> 00:20:49.258
I mean, here I had been on loan
to Wilshire narcotics a few times,
00:20:49.258 --> 00:20:51.358
writing search warrants,
happy to get an ounce,
00:20:51.358 --> 00:20:53.345
and she's talking about fifty keys!
00:20:53.345 --> 00:20:54.885
And I, you know... "Wow!"
00:20:54.885 --> 00:20:57.723
"No, we never touch the drugs."
00:20:57.723 --> 00:20:59.214
"What?"
00:20:59.214 --> 00:21:00.268
"No, we don't touch the drugs."
00:21:00.268 --> 00:21:01.944
"We kind of follow the guns."
00:21:01.944 --> 00:21:04.924
"Okay. I'm not gonna get involved
in anything that overlooks drugs."
00:21:04.924 --> 00:21:07.477
Well, she related the same stories
as having occured
00:21:07.477 --> 00:21:09.348
in Baja California;
00:21:09.348 --> 00:21:12.583
in Del Rio, Texas;
00:21:12.583 --> 00:21:13.841
in The Bahamas;
00:21:13.841 --> 00:21:15.703
in New Orleans;
00:21:15.703 --> 00:21:16.841
and I kept saying...
00:21:16.841 --> 00:21:18.730
(responding to inaudible comment)
Oh, it was long before Mena.
00:21:18.730 --> 00:21:21.996
This was in 1976.
We hadn't even got to Mena yet.
00:21:21.996 --> 00:21:25.830
And I kept saying, "I'm not gonna..."
00:21:25.830 --> 00:21:28.586
And I thought it was some kind of test!
00:21:28.586 --> 00:21:30.866
You know, I thought they were
testing my integrity.
00:21:30.866 --> 00:21:32.223
"I'm not gonna do anything
that overlooks drugs."
00:21:32.223 --> 00:21:34.146
"Forget it: I'm a cop!"
00:21:34.146 --> 00:21:37.336
Anyway, after a while, it became clear
that I was not gonna roll over,
00:21:37.336 --> 00:21:41.022
and she disappeared. (laughter)
00:21:41.022 --> 00:21:42.466
Very suddenly.
00:21:42.466 --> 00:21:43.836
Right after she disappeared,
00:21:43.836 --> 00:21:46.584
a bunch of Italian thugs walked into
my mother's real estate office.
00:21:46.584 --> 00:21:51.427
And then I found myself on loan to
Organized Crime Intelligence Division.
00:21:51.427 --> 00:21:54.742
And who do I find myself working with
but a guy named Lee Goforth,
00:21:54.742 --> 00:21:58.472
who was a senior detective, Detective III
in Organized Crime Intelligence
00:21:58.472 --> 00:22:01.529
and a Brigadier General in
the California National Guard.
00:22:01.529 --> 00:22:04.192
He was also LAPD's representative
to LEIU,
00:22:04.192 --> 00:22:05.843
Law Enforcement Intelligence Unit,
00:22:05.843 --> 00:22:10.202
which is very heavily influenced
by the alphabet soup.
00:22:10.202 --> 00:22:11.402
His younger partner, Norm Bonneau,
00:22:11.402 --> 00:22:16.013
and who's in OCID but
John Xavier Bach!
00:22:16.013 --> 00:22:18.685
So, now I'm having all kinds
of weird things happen:
00:22:18.685 --> 00:22:19.986
hang-up phone calls, burglaries;
00:22:19.986 --> 00:22:20.744
I'm getting followed;
00:22:20.744 --> 00:22:23.675
I have to spy on my mother,
gather intelligence.
00:22:23.675 --> 00:22:25.206
This is a little stressful.
00:22:25.206 --> 00:22:31.801
In 1977, I got burglarized.
00:22:31.801 --> 00:22:34.909
Now, she left saying that someone was
trying to kill her, and that was the cover.
00:22:34.909 --> 00:22:36.229
Somebody stole one of my guns;
00:22:36.229 --> 00:22:38.250
somebody stole a photograph of her;
00:22:38.250 --> 00:22:42.692
somebody got an address that I had
just gotten on her in New Orleans.
00:22:42.692 --> 00:22:46.113
So my Captain, who was, to this day,
one of the finest men I've ever known,
00:22:46.113 --> 00:22:47.455
a guy by the name of Jesse Brewer,
00:22:47.455 --> 00:22:50.829
who was the black Police Commissioner
here in Los Angeles
00:22:50.829 --> 00:22:52.173
during the time of the riots
00:22:52.173 --> 00:22:53.089
-- a wonderful human being --
00:22:53.089 --> 00:22:54.392
went to bat for me. He said,
00:22:54.392 --> 00:22:56.979
"Look, OCID is lying. What do you want?
Take a vacation."
00:22:56.979 --> 00:22:59.546
I went to New Orleans. And that was
the biggest mistake of my life.
00:22:59.546 --> 00:23:02.927
I got to New Orleans, and she's got an
apartment with a scrambler phone.
00:23:02.927 --> 00:23:05.356
And I didn't know what it was.
00:23:05.356 --> 00:23:06.986
It's just like this eight-pound telephone
00:23:06.986 --> 00:23:09.496
that looks like a normal phone,
00:23:09.496 --> 00:23:13.030
but it has a little thing that you plug
into a wall socket,
00:23:13.030 --> 00:23:14.471
and you plug that in.
00:23:14.471 --> 00:23:17.614
And I had to describe it years later
to an Air Force officer.
00:23:17.614 --> 00:23:19.212
He says, "That's a KY3."
00:23:19.212 --> 00:23:20.778
At the time, it required a TS Clearance.
00:23:20.778 --> 00:23:22.914
A TS or Crypto Clearance.
00:23:22.914 --> 00:23:27.239
She had this black night vision device
that she carried around in a paper bag.
00:23:27.239 --> 00:23:29.978
Naval and Air Force NCOs from
Belle Chase Naval Air Station
00:23:29.978 --> 00:23:32.577
were bringing her communiqués.
00:23:32.577 --> 00:23:34.503
And it was funny, because
they'd be in civilian clothes,
00:23:34.503 --> 00:23:36.607
but they'd have the military shoes on
00:23:36.607 --> 00:23:39.408
and their military ID card sticking up
out of their shirt pocket.
00:23:39.408 --> 00:23:43.262
I mean, great disguise! (laughter)
00:23:43.262 --> 00:23:45.660
And they'd bring these
sealed communiqués.
00:23:45.660 --> 00:23:47.262
And then there was this guy
named Freddy
00:23:47.262 --> 00:23:50.750
who had been a veteran of the Third
Battalion Fifth Special Forces,
00:23:50.750 --> 00:23:53.596
who she went out with at night,
00:23:53.596 --> 00:23:55.250
and I got to meet a whole
bunch of people
00:23:55.250 --> 00:23:58.037
that worked for a company
named Brown and Root.
00:23:58.037 --> 00:24:00.403
Major CIA contractor. They built
Cam Rahn Bay.
00:24:00.403 --> 00:24:03.515
They are one the major homes
of sheep-dipped employees.
00:24:03.515 --> 00:24:04.774
For those of you who don't know
what sheep-dipping is,
00:24:04.774 --> 00:24:09.247
it's when CIA takes a guy out
of the Agency spy school
00:24:09.247 --> 00:24:12.542
and puts them in IBM or some company
as their cover
00:24:12.542 --> 00:24:14.062
to go travel around the world.
00:24:14.062 --> 00:24:17.560
So all these people are
shipping out for Iran.
00:24:17.560 --> 00:24:19.946
Oh, by the way: I didn't mention
00:24:19.946 --> 00:24:21.997
that Teddy grew up with the
niece of the Shah of Iran,
00:24:21.997 --> 00:24:24.703
and she used to get letters
all the time from Iran,
00:24:24.703 --> 00:24:26.408
and Teddy was American.
00:24:26.408 --> 00:24:29.829
And one time the Shah's nephew,
Shahyar [Pahlbod]
00:24:29.829 --> 00:24:31.461
came and picked her up,
took her out to dinner.
00:24:31.461 --> 00:24:33.591
So anyway, I'm watching her
make arrangements
00:24:33.591 --> 00:24:35.157
for all kinds of guns to leave.
00:24:35.157 --> 00:24:37.945
And then later I'm hearing
her make arrangements
00:24:37.945 --> 00:24:43.028
for certain packages to be dropped
off on oil rigs in the Gulf.
00:24:43.028 --> 00:24:45.910
And they would be stashed on the
oil rigs, down on the pilings,
00:24:45.910 --> 00:24:48.298
and bubbleheads, as they call them
00:24:48.298 --> 00:24:49.853
-- deep-sea divers, hardhats --
00:24:49.853 --> 00:24:53.691
would go down and pull up
the packages of heroin
00:24:53.691 --> 00:24:56.905
at the same time that a service boat
coming out to bring food
00:24:56.905 --> 00:25:01.684
would arrive at the oil rig, not subject
to Customs search.
00:25:01.684 --> 00:25:03.986
And the divers would just toss
the heroin, then home.
00:25:03.986 --> 00:25:07.314
Carlos Marcello controlled the whole
dock operation in New Orleans,
00:25:07.314 --> 00:25:08.830
so here I saw...
00:25:08.830 --> 00:25:14.084
and the name CIA was dropped six
or seven times while I was there.
00:25:14.084 --> 00:25:17.148
I saw scrambled communications,
and letterheads, and all this stuff.
00:25:17.148 --> 00:25:19.461
So they were controlling an operation
00:25:19.461 --> 00:25:21.808
where drugs were going out
and guns were coming in.
00:25:21.808 --> 00:25:24.270
This is was in 1977.
00:25:24.270 --> 00:25:28.431
So after eight days, I said,
"Goodbye, I'm leaving"
00:25:28.431 --> 00:25:29.774
"I don't want anything to do
with you people."
00:25:29.774 --> 00:25:32.463
And for those of us who have
been through this,
00:25:32.463 --> 00:25:34.387
it is a very painful loss of innocence.
00:25:34.387 --> 00:25:40.493
I can't tell you how painful it is to begin to
discover that your country is really dirty.
00:25:40.493 --> 00:25:44.144
And you do it in stages.
You don't let go all at once.
00:25:44.144 --> 00:25:48.017
I came back, I told everybody,
"Leave me alone," and they wouldn't.
00:25:48.017 --> 00:25:48.961
I kept getting followed, chased.
00:25:48.961 --> 00:25:51.636
I got shot at once in New Orleans.
00:25:51.636 --> 00:25:53.716
And I would up going into a hospital
for stress,
00:25:53.716 --> 00:25:56.413
basically because OCID said
00:25:56.413 --> 00:25:59.278
they were gonna commit me under one
of their psychiatrists. (crowd murmurs)
00:25:59.278 --> 00:26:01.249
So I said, "OK, I'm going into
my own hospital."
00:26:01.249 --> 00:26:03.178
And I got tested eight ways from Sunday,
00:26:03.178 --> 00:26:05.765
and they said I was perfectly sane,
00:26:05.765 --> 00:26:08.017
and I fought a little battle
and was injured on duty.
00:26:08.017 --> 00:26:11.819
I returned, earned the highest rating
reports possible in LAPD;
00:26:11.819 --> 00:26:14.816
was about to be promoted; was
on staff at the Police Academy:
00:26:14.816 --> 00:26:17.365
And the Iranian Revolution broke loose.
00:26:17.365 --> 00:26:19.209
And I started to make some more
connections,
00:26:19.209 --> 00:26:22.109
and that's when I started getting
death threats, and burglarized.
00:26:22.109 --> 00:26:24.342
I wound up taking a tape-recorded
eath threat,
00:26:24.342 --> 00:26:26.553
and I asked to see Chief Daryl Gates.
00:26:26.553 --> 00:26:29.731
Where do you go if Organized Crime
Intelligence is lying to you?
00:26:29.731 --> 00:26:33.403
In LAPD, there is no place else
you go but the Chief.
00:26:33.403 --> 00:26:34.860
And I said, "I've got a problem."
00:26:34.860 --> 00:26:36.832
Because Daryl Gates had just
been made Chief,
00:26:36.832 --> 00:26:38.752
and his bodyguard-driver was a guy
00:26:38.752 --> 00:26:43.118
by the name of John Xavier Bach.
(crowd murmers)
00:26:43.118 --> 00:26:46.832
And I said, "I can't see Daryl while
Bach's there, because he's CIA."
00:26:46.832 --> 00:26:50.331
And I got a message back from
Sergeant Pickering,
00:26:50.331 --> 00:26:52.248
a friend of mine who had
relayed the message:
00:26:52.248 --> 00:26:55.740
"Well, the chief realizes that somebody
may be trying to kill you."
00:26:55.740 --> 00:26:59.806
"He's kind of busy. He can give you five
or ten minutes in a week or ten days."
00:26:59.806 --> 00:27:02.557
"Would you like to make
an appointment?"
00:27:02.557 --> 00:27:06.392
I wanna show you something.
00:27:09.454 --> 00:27:11.507
I'm gonna being giving this out
at the press conference
00:27:11.507 --> 00:27:15.272
at the rally that we're doing
this weekend.
00:27:15.272 --> 00:27:24.178
This is from the Los Angeles Times, and
the date on this is November 17th, 1984:
00:27:24.178 --> 00:27:27.480
"Officers' Moonlighting Probed."
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:29.502
If you read this, it talks about
a Detective
00:27:29.502 --> 00:27:31.016
who went back to Organized Crime
Intelligence
00:27:31.016 --> 00:27:33.533
named John Xavier Bach.
00:27:33.533 --> 00:27:36.005
And it says... it says here... it says...
00:27:36.005 --> 00:27:39.896
"Copies of official records of the
California Department of Justice that"
00:27:39.896 --> 00:27:41.633
"contain information about criminal
history"
00:27:41.633 --> 00:27:43.370
"of members of the Jewish
Defense League..." da-da-da,
00:27:43.370 --> 00:27:45.108
"government code," da-da-da...
OK:
00:27:45.108 --> 00:27:50.664
"turned over a transcript of the
conversation between Glalley and Earl (sp)
00:27:50.664 --> 00:27:52.774
to an employee of the
Central Intelligence Agency
00:27:52.774 --> 00:27:56.613
whom Ripaski (sp) identified
as Jack Harmeyer (sp).
00:27:56.613 --> 00:27:59.869
He was moonlighting for the Central
Intelligence Agency on city time,
00:27:59.869 --> 00:28:04.846
and he was convicted in
municipal court, OK?
00:28:04.846 --> 00:28:08.114
No corroboration for my story
whatsoever, right?
00:28:08.114 --> 00:28:10.424
Not according to the LA Times.
00:28:10.424 --> 00:28:14.377
I had alleged in 1978
that he was CIA, OK?
00:28:14.377 --> 00:28:17.727
So I wound up resigning.
00:28:17.727 --> 00:28:18.733
I got an attorney,
00:28:18.733 --> 00:28:21.154
and I got an attorney who was
a former FBI Intelligence agent.
00:28:21.154 --> 00:28:23.575
(laughter)
00:28:23.575 --> 00:28:25.998
Don't hold it against me.
Look we have to learn...
00:28:25.998 --> 00:28:28.795
I was way ahead of you guys on this,
you know. This was in '78.
00:28:28.795 --> 00:28:34.132
I went to the FBI, went to Sam Hayakawa,
Bob Dornin, Alan Cranston. (sp)
00:28:34.132 --> 00:28:37.486
Sam Hayakawa was a very gracious
and wonderful gentleman.
00:28:37.486 --> 00:28:40.221
He was the only elected official
who ever went to bat for me.
00:28:40.221 --> 00:28:43.209
In all these years, he is the only
one who ever did.
00:28:43.209 --> 00:28:47.271
Anyway: got on the record
wherever I could,
00:28:47.271 --> 00:28:49.840
and I documented everything
I had seen in New Orleans.
00:28:49.840 --> 00:28:55.398
So sum up: the points that I made in
four-and-a-half hour complaint to the FBI
00:28:55.398 --> 00:28:58.811
that I later made to a reporter David
Rosensweig (sp) at the LA Times
00:28:58.811 --> 00:29:02.126
-- who, until recently, was Assistant
Managing Editor at the LA Times --
00:29:02.126 --> 00:29:06.453
to all the Congresspeople,
to everything else, I said:
00:29:06.453 --> 00:29:12.015
"Carlos Marcello, guns, drugs, CIA, Hawaii,
California, Mexico, submarines,"
00:29:12.015 --> 00:29:16.656
"Texas, Louisiana, terrorism,
and rebel groups"
00:29:16.656 --> 00:29:18.916
That was in 1978.
00:29:18.916 --> 00:29:22.983
Item from the Los Angeles Times:
00:29:22.983 --> 00:29:28.515
-- you're gonna love this one --
00:29:28.515 --> 00:29:32.057
"Guns for drugs trade booming,
reports disclose.'
00:29:32.057 --> 00:29:33.080
From Newsday.
00:29:33.080 --> 00:29:36.513
Times didn't write it, but they
reprinted this story from Newsday, OK?
00:29:36.513 --> 00:29:39.942
And what it says is: "Carlos Marcello,
guns, drugs, terrorist groups,"
00:29:39.942 --> 00:29:43.497
"Baja California, submarines, Texas,
Louisiana, The Bahamas..."
00:29:43.497 --> 00:29:46.414
and everything I had said a year before.
00:29:46.414 --> 00:29:51.656
The LA Times said, "There's no
story here!" (laughter, murmuring)
00:29:51.656 --> 00:29:53.212
No corroboration.
00:29:53.212 --> 00:29:55.160
David Rosenzweig (sp), after this
came out, was promoted
00:29:55.160 --> 00:30:01.397
from Staff Writer to
Assistant City Editor, OK?
00:30:01.985 --> 00:30:05.146
I called the writer for that story,
Tom Renard (sp),
00:30:05.146 --> 00:30:07.241
and I mentioned the name Bonneau.
00:30:07.241 --> 00:30:09.539
He said, "Wait a minute: LAPD, Bonneau?"
00:30:09.539 --> 00:30:10.693
-- turned through his pages --
00:30:10.693 --> 00:30:12.024
"I've got this guy Bonneau's name"
00:30:12.024 --> 00:30:16.203
"in connection with a CIA machine gun
factory in Mexico."
00:30:16.203 --> 00:30:17.633
-- "Uh, wait a minute. OK." --
00:30:17.633 --> 00:30:19.746
So he says, "Call this investigator,
Bill Christianson, who's working for"
00:30:19.746 --> 00:30:21.537
"Deconcini's [Sub-]Committee on Improvements in Judicial Machinery"
00:30:23.328 --> 00:30:25.121
Great name.
00:30:25.121 --> 00:30:27.597
So I call Christianson up and
I run through all the stuff.
00:30:27.597 --> 00:30:30.759
Now I know: CIA is dealing drugs.
They're protecting Marcello.
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:31.868
They're hand-in-glove;
00:30:31.868 --> 00:30:36.472
they're partners, and CIA is
profiting from the deals, OK?
00:30:36.472 --> 00:30:37.963
I call Christianson, I lay it out.
He says,
00:30:37.963 --> 00:30:40.843
"You're right! My offices are bugged;
I'm getting followed;"
00:30:40.843 --> 00:30:42.713
"We were burglarized last week."
00:30:42.713 --> 00:30:49.039
This is a Senate investigator.
This is 1979. OK?
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.645
He says, "We'll get you back
here to testify."
00:30:51.645 --> 00:30:56.651
That was the first time I was
promised I could testify.
00:30:56.651 --> 00:30:58.603
A short time later, I had to start
looking for a job.
00:30:58.603 --> 00:30:59.646
I was a writer.
00:30:59.646 --> 00:31:00.993
I had been laid off from one writing job,
00:31:00.993 --> 00:31:02.546
and I couldn't find a job
anywhere in this city.
00:31:02.546 --> 00:31:04.597
And I would see unmarked
LAPD cars turning up
00:31:04.597 --> 00:31:06.007
outside of places where
I would go for interviews.
00:31:06.007 --> 00:31:10.160
After about three weeks,
I took a job at a 7-11 store,
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:11.946
because I needed to eat.
00:31:11.946 --> 00:31:14.173
My first day on the job,
somebody calls up and says,
00:31:14.173 --> 00:31:15.797
"Is Mike Ruppert working today?"
00:31:15.797 --> 00:31:18.644
My second day on the job,
00:31:18.644 --> 00:31:21.876
I was arrested for selling
liquor to a minor.
00:31:21.876 --> 00:31:27.187
The second time I was shot at:
after that, I was dead drunk.
00:31:27.187 --> 00:31:28.288
I was on my lawn.
00:31:28.288 --> 00:31:30.857
I mean, I really didn't care much
anymore, and somebody shot at me.
00:31:30.857 --> 00:31:32.266
I didn't even bother
to report it at that time.
00:31:32.266 --> 00:31:34.139
I was just ready to give up.
00:31:34.139 --> 00:31:35.906
But you can't give up.
00:31:35.906 --> 00:31:37.463
That's what I found out.
00:31:37.463 --> 00:31:44.861
(applause)
00:31:45.783 --> 00:31:46.970
I wish I had a choice.
00:31:46.970 --> 00:31:48.891
I really do wish I had a choice.
00:31:48.891 --> 00:31:51.647
So I kept pursuing and pursuing
and pursuing,
00:31:51.647 --> 00:31:56.048
and eventually one reporter,
00:31:56.048 --> 00:32:05.543
from the days when we had a paper
in this town... (laughter) (applause)
00:32:05.543 --> 00:32:07.128
Randall Sullivan.
00:32:07.128 --> 00:32:09.984
I made the front page of the Herald Examiner two Sundays in a row,
00:32:09.984 --> 00:32:13.227
October 11th and October 18th, 1981.
00:32:13.227 --> 00:32:14.094
There's a full page.
00:32:14.094 --> 00:32:17.580
I love this part: it says, "Mike Ruppert,
perhaps LAPD's most intelligent officer."
00:32:17.580 --> 00:32:19.240
I really like that one.
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:21.907
If I'm so intelligent,
what am I doing this for?
00:32:21.907 --> 00:32:23.943
OK, it lays out all this stuff about CIA.
00:32:23.943 --> 00:32:26.125
It actually even finally mentioned
down here
00:32:26.125 --> 00:32:27.792
-- after the end of two parts
in two weeks --
00:32:27.792 --> 00:32:30.719
CIA dealing drugs.
00:32:30.719 --> 00:32:34.146
So I am on the record in October of 1981.
00:32:34.146 --> 00:32:39.467
I even have documents back from the
FBI saying that I said it back in 1980.
00:32:39.467 --> 00:32:43.646
So I do have a claim to some
seniority here. (laughter)
00:32:43.646 --> 00:32:45.805
What that gets me, I have no idea.
00:32:45.805 --> 00:32:51.492
Now, by this time, Ronald Reagan
is President.
00:32:51.492 --> 00:32:57.034
Craig Fuller is Assistant to President
Reagan for Cabinet Affairs.
00:32:57.034 --> 00:32:59.322
Craig Fuller's name turns up
in this article.
00:32:59.322 --> 00:33:00.756
I had a letter from Craig:
00:33:00.756 --> 00:33:03.283
"Any time you're in Washington,
come and see me."
00:33:03.283 --> 00:33:04.659
"I'd love to see ya."
00:33:04.659 --> 00:33:06.716
So I fly back with Part Two
under my arm.
00:33:06.716 --> 00:33:12.168
October 26, 1981, I am invited into
the West Wing of the White House.
00:33:12.168 --> 00:33:14.812
(silence; single audience
member whistles)
00:33:14.812 --> 00:33:16.635
And I get into the basement.
00:33:16.635 --> 00:33:18.611
Now, the Senate was gonna say that...
00:33:18.611 --> 00:33:21.413
Senate Intelligence was gonna
say I was never there,
00:33:21.413 --> 00:33:25.140
because two original White House letters
were burglarized from my home
00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:27.197
just three months ago.
00:33:27.197 --> 00:33:28.773
The same day that a senior investigator
00:33:28.773 --> 00:33:30.159
for Senate Select Al Cummings
00:33:30.159 --> 00:33:34.396
called me and asked me if I had original
letters on White House stationery.
00:33:34.396 --> 00:33:34.997
(audience murmurs)
00:33:34.997 --> 00:33:36.579
He's been very helpful,
by the way, though.
00:33:36.579 --> 00:33:39.130
I mean, he told LAPD he was
doing an active investigation:
00:33:39.130 --> 00:33:40.797
"Yeah, we were trying to get
these letters,"
00:33:40.797 --> 00:33:42.739
"and everything Mike said is true,"
00:33:42.739 --> 00:33:45.052
"and we had trouble faxing them,"
00:33:45.052 --> 00:33:46.895
and all kinds of shit.
00:33:46.895 --> 00:33:48.127
Excuse me: I said a bad word.
00:33:48.127 --> 00:33:52.041
So anyway, I get into Craig's office,
00:33:52.041 --> 00:33:54.456
and just for the record, Craig's office:
00:33:54.456 --> 00:33:57.122
if you're looking at the West Wing,
you go in through the portico.
00:33:57.122 --> 00:33:59.677
You take a hard right past
the receptionist,
00:33:59.677 --> 00:34:01.342
and on the far side of the reception area,
00:34:01.342 --> 00:34:03.672
there's a very steep and
narrow staircase,
00:34:03.672 --> 00:34:06.366
because it's built over so many years.
00:34:06.366 --> 00:34:08.334
You go down to the bottom
of the staircase;
00:34:08.334 --> 00:34:09.731
you take a hard right and come back,
00:34:09.731 --> 00:34:13.131
and he had the corner office facing
Pennsylvania Avenue and 17th.
00:34:13.131 --> 00:34:16.412
Tell me I wasn't there, OK?
00:34:16.412 --> 00:34:18.243
I sat in his office and
we talked for a while,
00:34:18.243 --> 00:34:19.186
and then I said,
00:34:19.186 --> 00:34:24.550
Craig, look: CIA's really heavily
infiltrated LAPD,
00:34:24.550 --> 00:34:27.940
and CIA is complicit in bringing
drugs into this country,
00:34:27.940 --> 00:34:29.375
and it's wrong.
00:34:29.375 --> 00:34:32.268
Now, I'll tell you exactly
what Craig said:
00:34:32.268 --> 00:34:35.894
(silence)
00:34:35.894 --> 00:34:37.010
(laughter)
00:34:37.010 --> 00:34:40.692
He did not move; he did not breathe;
he did not anything,
00:34:40.692 --> 00:34:44.651
until I changed the subject, OK?
00:34:44.651 --> 00:34:46.082
Not:
00:34:46.082 --> 00:34:47.509
"Oh my God, I'm a public servant!"
00:34:47.509 --> 00:34:50.014
"What you're alleging is a great
outrage to the American people."
00:34:50.014 --> 00:34:52.841
"It's offense to the Constitution
and any sense of decency"
00:34:52.841 --> 00:34:55.445
"possessed by any human being
anywhere in the world."
00:34:55.445 --> 00:34:55.866
Not:
00:34:55.866 --> 00:34:58.919
"My God, this is terrible! Somebody
needs to look into this! This is awful!"
00:34:58.919 --> 00:35:02.815
He just sat stone silent.
00:35:02.815 --> 00:35:07.919
And then George Bush made him his
Chief of Staff in the second Reagan term.
00:35:07.919 --> 00:35:12.149
And I remember walking out of the
White House and saying to myself,
00:35:12.149 --> 00:35:18.887
"Self, where do I go now?"
00:35:18.887 --> 00:35:20.517
So I came back to Los Angeles,
00:35:20.517 --> 00:35:23.808
and it was one of the several times
I tried to put all this behind me.
00:35:23.808 --> 00:35:26.058
And of course, events just
kept catching up again,
00:35:26.058 --> 00:35:30.964
because in 1981 Oliver North
was just getting started.
00:35:30.964 --> 00:35:34.618
Now, in January of '82, I went to UCLA
00:35:34.618 --> 00:35:36.138
-- which was my school --
00:35:36.138 --> 00:35:39.360
and I sought out the ranking expert
on Middle East affairs
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:40.942
in the Political Science department,
00:35:40.942 --> 00:35:42.781
a guy named Paul Jabber.
00:35:42.781 --> 00:35:45.659
You're gonna love this one, this story!
00:35:45.659 --> 00:35:46.798
So, I go to Paul Jabber's office.
00:35:46.798 --> 00:35:48.579
Now, by now I've pieced
some stuff together
00:35:48.579 --> 00:35:50.477
about why the guns are going
and where they're going.
00:35:50.477 --> 00:35:56.723
And I've narrowed it down to probably
the Kurds, maybe the Baluchis,
00:35:56.723 --> 00:36:01.889
and it had to do with arming a group
in Iran to fight somebody...
00:36:01.889 --> 00:36:03.364
-- excuse me --
00:36:03.364 --> 00:36:06.066
mildly in connection, maybe,
with the revolution,
00:36:06.066 --> 00:36:07.219
but I wasn't sure.
00:36:07.219 --> 00:36:12.114
But I had names of people like Shackley
-- and we'll get to that in a minute.
00:36:12.114 --> 00:36:14.923
See, he says, "My God, Mike:
your analysis is brilliant!"
00:36:14.923 --> 00:36:17.968
"Did you know, by the way,
hat I was a CIA consultant"
00:36:17.968 --> 00:36:23.286
"and a State Department consultant
for Jimmy Carter?" (laughter)
00:36:23.286 --> 00:36:28.575
Do you ever feel like God's following
you around with this stuff? (laughter)
00:36:28.575 --> 00:36:29.578
And I said, "No..."
00:36:29.578 --> 00:36:31.316
And he said,
"Listen: I have secrecy oaths,"
00:36:31.316 --> 00:36:32.685
"and I have these agreements
that I've signed."
00:36:32.685 --> 00:36:34.748
I can't tell you outright;
00:36:34.748 --> 00:36:38.652
but why don't you go read the
New York Times on these dates,
00:36:38.652 --> 00:36:41.693
articles by C. L. Sulzberger and
William Safire,
00:36:41.693 --> 00:36:45.367
and look up the Kurds,
and tell me what you think.
00:36:45.367 --> 00:36:46.982
So I went and did it, and I
pieced it all together.
00:36:46.982 --> 00:36:49.266
And what happened was,
on March 3, 1975...
00:36:49.266 --> 00:36:56.755
-- March 3, 1975: April, 1975
is when Saigon fell.
00:36:56.755 --> 00:36:58.832
Remember the context of history. --
00:36:58.832 --> 00:37:01.562
March 3, 1975: the Shah of Iran
and Saddam Hussein
00:37:01.562 --> 00:37:02.920
signed the Treaty of Algiers.
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:08.044
We had been arming the Kurds for
decades to fight against Iraq
00:37:08.044 --> 00:37:13.181
so that Iraq could not attack Israel, OK?
00:37:13.181 --> 00:37:16.821
Through Iraq. And what
the Shah said was,
00:37:16.821 --> 00:37:19.810
S"Saddam, if you give me the
hatt al-Arab waterway,"
00:37:19.810 --> 00:37:23.333
"I can double my oil exports, and
I'll cut off all aid to the Kurds,"
00:37:23.333 --> 00:37:24.424
"and you can massacre them,"
00:37:24.424 --> 00:37:26.680
"and then your army's free to do
whatever you want to do."
00:37:26.680 --> 00:37:30.033
So they shook hands at the
Treaty of Algiers: March 3, '75.
00:37:30.033 --> 00:37:34.377
Within weeks, about 8-10,000 Kurds
were massacred.
00:37:34.377 --> 00:37:37.227
So I pieced it together, and I
went back to Paul Jabber,
00:37:37.227 --> 00:37:38.445
and I said,
"Well, what happened was, then,"
00:37:38.445 --> 00:37:41.070
"in order to keep the Kurds alive,"
00:37:41.070 --> 00:37:43.139
"they used the opium-smuggling
routes..."
00:37:43.139 --> 00:37:44.363
-- Kurdistan being, by the way,
00:37:44.363 --> 00:37:48.008
the second-largest opium-growing
region in the world --
00:37:48.008 --> 00:37:51.743
"to smuggle out opium,
which was made into heroin"
00:37:51.743 --> 00:37:54.765
"and sold here to buy the guns
to keep the Kurds alive."
00:37:54.765 --> 00:37:56.912
He says, "You're absolutely right."
00:37:56.912 --> 00:37:59.981
"The decision was made at the
National Security Council level..."
00:37:59.981 --> 00:38:02.549
-- read that, folks: that's
the White House! --
00:38:02.549 --> 00:38:09.696
to sell heroin to American citizens
to keep the Kurds alive. OK?
00:38:09.696 --> 00:38:12.903
(Man in audience) Maybe
that was just a pretext!
00:38:12.903 --> 00:38:16.346
Moving right on.
Do you guys pay him, or what?
00:38:16.346 --> 00:38:18.148
(laughter, applause)
OK.
00:38:18.148 --> 00:38:19.639
Remember Southeast Asia here,
where I wrote some names
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:21.313
like Ted Shackley, Tom Clines,
Richard Secord?
00:38:21.313 --> 00:38:23.470
What happened in 1975?
00:38:23.470 --> 00:38:24.770
The Vietnam War ended.
00:38:24.770 --> 00:38:29.000
Ted Shackley moved and became
Deputy Director of Central Intelligence
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:32.366
in charge of covert operations
for the Middle East.
00:38:32.366 --> 00:38:36.870
Richard Secord was transfered
to Iran as the Air Attaché.
00:38:36.870 --> 00:38:39.413
Richard Armitage was transferred to Iran
00:38:39.413 --> 00:38:43.705
on missions connected with
banking and finance.
00:38:43.705 --> 00:38:45.470
Is this beginning to sound familiar here?
00:38:45.470 --> 00:38:49.326
Is there a pattern shaping up h
ere somewhere? OK?
00:38:49.326 --> 00:38:52.617
The same players from Southeast Asia
moved to Iran.
00:38:52.617 --> 00:38:56.794
The same players from Iran in 1980
moved into Pakistan
00:38:56.794 --> 00:38:59.406
when the Russians invaded Afghanistan.
00:38:59.406 --> 00:39:03.438
Everywhere these people go, there is
a huge boom in the drug trade.
00:39:03.438 --> 00:39:08.158
Pakistan, before the invasion
by the Soviets,
00:39:08.158 --> 00:39:13.040
had supplied zero percent
f American heroin.
00:39:13.040 --> 00:39:14.707
(man in audience) You mean
Afghanistan.
00:39:14.707 --> 00:39:16.941
Afghanistan: well, no.
They had invaded Afghanistan,
00:39:16.941 --> 00:39:20.825
but all of the American supply operations
were run from Pakistan.
00:39:20.825 --> 00:39:25.766
The mujahideen were armed
through American bases in Pakistan
00:39:25.766 --> 00:39:27.356
over into the border.
00:39:27.356 --> 00:39:29.604
By the middle of that conflict,
00:39:29.604 --> 00:39:33.119
40 to 60 percent of the heroin
n this country
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:39.157
was coming from -- guess where? -- Pakistan. Duh!
00:39:39.157 --> 00:39:46.245
So, now we move to Iran-Contra.
00:39:46.245 --> 00:39:48.985
The Bowen Amendment says,
"No more lethal aid to the Contras."
00:39:48.985 --> 00:39:50.677
"Cut 'em off."
00:39:50.677 --> 00:39:51.919
Reagan says, "We'll go private..."
00:39:51.919 --> 00:39:56.827
Oliver North, by the way, started to get
involved back in Iran and Pakistan.
00:39:56.827 --> 00:39:58.961
He starts cropping up.
00:39:58.961 --> 00:40:01.668
Now we have the Contra
supply operation.
00:40:01.668 --> 00:40:02.592
And who do we find?
00:40:02.592 --> 00:40:04.726
-- Oh, by the way: John Singlaub
went to the Middle East, too --
00:40:04.726 --> 00:40:07.240
Now, who do we find cropping
up in Iran-Contra?
00:40:07.240 --> 00:40:13.732
John Singlaub, Richard Secord,
Ted Shackley, Richard Armitage...
00:40:13.732 --> 00:40:16.496
all the same people. Oliver North,
again: the same people
00:40:16.496 --> 00:40:18.100
-- for 40 years, 50 years --
00:40:18.100 --> 00:40:22.350
have been doing the same thing. OK?
00:40:22.350 --> 00:40:23.723
Now we get to Iran-Contra.
00:40:23.723 --> 00:40:25.220
And I'm not gonna spend
a great deal of time
00:40:25.220 --> 00:40:27.335
on all this stuff that's already out.
00:40:27.335 --> 00:40:30.643
I will give you one specific
case illustrating,
00:40:30.643 --> 00:40:36.028
and that's the case of Juan Ramón
Matta-Ballesteros, of Honduras.
00:40:36.028 --> 00:40:38.657
And during the early years of the
Iran-Contra era,
00:40:38.657 --> 00:40:41.986
Honduras was supplying
approximately 50 percent
00:40:41.986 --> 00:40:44.374
of the cocaine consumed i
n this country,
00:40:44.374 --> 00:40:46.567
through Matta-Ballesteros.
00:40:46.567 --> 00:40:50.296
Duane Clarridge, CIA Station Chief,
00:40:50.296 --> 00:40:55.074
had contracted with
Matta's airline, SETCO,
00:40:55.074 --> 00:40:59.725
for exclusive contracting for
Contra supply operations.
00:40:59.725 --> 00:41:07.638
DEA station in Honduras was
ordered closed in 1982.
00:41:07.638 --> 00:41:10.139
Juan Ramón Matta-Ballesteros
was very closely connected
00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:16.703
with a Mexican cartel run by
Felix Gallardo and Rafael Caro Quintero.
00:41:16.703 --> 00:41:20.194
Everybody remember Kiki Camerena?
00:41:20.194 --> 00:41:25.322
Kiki Camerena was investigating
Gallardo and Quintero.
00:41:25.322 --> 00:41:27.959
He was chasing a CIA drug ring
when he was murdered.
00:41:27.959 --> 00:41:29.579
And I have found one of the men,
the CIA agents,
00:41:29.579 --> 00:41:31.730
who was on the mission where
Kiki was murdered.
00:41:31.730 --> 00:41:33.729
And we're gonna get into that in a second.
00:41:33.729 --> 00:41:34.935
Now, I want to backtrack a little bit.
00:41:34.935 --> 00:41:39.685
A lot has been overlooked about the
role of the US military in drug-dealing,
00:41:39.685 --> 00:41:41.903
as ordered by the CIA.
00:41:41.903 --> 00:41:43.864
Over 20 years of my investigations,
00:41:43.864 --> 00:41:45.071
what I see is several things.
00:41:45.071 --> 00:41:47.123
First of all, what I call the
"shadow government,"
00:41:47.123 --> 00:41:49.007
which includes many agencies...
00:41:49.007 --> 00:41:53.038
-- DIA, Defense Department, NSA...
they're everywhere, OK? --
00:41:53.038 --> 00:41:56.748
had used large components
of the military.
00:41:56.748 --> 00:42:00.081
Many people here... let me ask:
00:42:00.081 --> 00:42:02.447
is anyone here familiar with
the Watchtower missions?
00:42:02.447 --> 00:42:05.624
I see a couple of hands. OK.
00:42:05.624 --> 00:42:09.268
The Watchtower missions took
place in the mid- to late-'70s.
00:42:09.268 --> 00:42:11.757
Elements of the Seventh Special
Forces Group Airborne
00:42:11.757 --> 00:42:15.737
were ordered from Panama by a guy
by the name of Edwin Wilson
00:42:15.737 --> 00:42:19.654
on orders from a guy by the name
of Tom Clines
00:42:19.654 --> 00:42:22.728
-- Ted Shackley's deputy; Ted Shackley
is now out of the agency --
00:42:22.728 --> 00:42:29.205
to take Special Action Teams into
Colombia and plant radar beacons,
00:42:29.205 --> 00:42:34.401
so the cocaine flights can fly below radar
and land at Albrook Airfield in Panama.
00:42:34.401 --> 00:42:35.720
Special Forces troops were there,
00:42:35.720 --> 00:42:37.410
including one William Tyree,
00:42:37.410 --> 00:42:39.305
as Manuel Noriega meets the aircraft,
00:42:39.305 --> 00:42:43.039
along with Ed Wilson and a
guy named Michael Harari
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.492
of the Israeli Mossad, OK?
00:42:45.492 --> 00:42:47.764
There were three series
of these missions,
00:42:47.764 --> 00:42:50.662
each commanded by a different
Special Forces Colonel.
00:42:50.662 --> 00:42:53.250
All of these Special Forces
Colonels are dead.
00:42:53.250 --> 00:42:56.391
Actually, there are five Special Forces
Colonels who have been murdered:
00:42:56.391 --> 00:43:00.791
Baker, Rowe, Cutolo, Malvesti,
and Bayard, OK?
00:43:00.791 --> 00:43:02.012
There was...
00:43:02.012 --> 00:43:03.626
it centers around an affidavit
00:43:03.626 --> 00:43:08.752
called the Cutolo Affadavit.
00:43:08.752 --> 00:43:14.801
These are some of my documents
relevant to Watchtower.
00:43:14.801 --> 00:43:19.509
And I'll tell you right up front
that the affadavit of Ed Cutolo,
00:43:19.509 --> 00:43:21.161
Colonel at Tenth Special Forces,
00:43:21.161 --> 00:43:23.093
-- he went from the Seventh
to the Tenth --
00:43:23.093 --> 00:43:25.950
this is the cover sheet:
00:43:25.950 --> 00:43:28.948
it was not written by
Colonel Edward Cutolo.
00:43:28.948 --> 00:43:30.028
One of the reasons why I know that
00:43:30.028 --> 00:43:32.181
is because he refers to the
Panamanian Defense Forces,
00:43:32.181 --> 00:43:33.995
and Ed Cutolo was murdered in 1980,
00:43:33.995 --> 00:43:39.581
and they weren't named the Panamanian
Defense Forces until '85. OK?
00:43:39.581 --> 00:43:43.047
But everything in his affidavit
has been corroborated.
00:43:43.047 --> 00:43:44.493
He left files with people at the NSA,
00:43:44.493 --> 00:43:46.654
and I know who the people are.
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.697
But we're not gonna discuss
names there.
00:43:48.697 --> 00:43:54.113
Every aspect of the Watchtower missions
has been corroborated independently
00:43:54.113 --> 00:43:56.025
by other affidavits.
00:43:56.025 --> 00:44:02.439
We fast-forward to 1978, 1979, '80.
00:44:02.439 --> 00:44:05.237
Cutolo is now commander of
Tenth Special Forces Group Airborne
00:44:05.237 --> 00:44:06.856
at Fort Devens, Massachusetts.
00:44:06.856 --> 00:44:09.148
And we have an operation
known as Orwell.
00:44:09.148 --> 00:44:12.966
Due to the massive CIA drug operations,
they were afraid of leaks.
00:44:12.966 --> 00:44:16.050
Now remember, when I left LAPD,
it was November 30, 1978.
00:44:16.050 --> 00:44:18.177
Orwell was at its peak then.
00:44:18.177 --> 00:44:23.044
Army Security Agency,
Special Forces personnel,
00:44:23.044 --> 00:44:26.685
military intelligence personnel were
ordered to bug and wiretap courthouses,
00:44:26.685 --> 00:44:29.995
politicians, anybody who had
any knowledge.
00:44:29.995 --> 00:44:31.330
We have affidavits from people
00:44:31.330 --> 00:44:34.679
who pulled mics out of courthouse
walls in Massachusetts.
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.027
They did John Kerry.
00:44:37.027 --> 00:44:38.024
They did Tip O'Neill.
00:44:38.024 --> 00:44:42.305
They did anybody, any politician who
might expose these operations.
00:44:42.305 --> 00:44:45.358
Now, we have a Sergeant Bill Tyree
who was on these missions,
00:44:45.358 --> 00:44:47.346
who had been on the missions
in Central America,
00:44:47.346 --> 00:44:50.458
who had been ordered to do
these surveillances,
00:44:50.458 --> 00:44:52.339
-- and he wanted out.
00:44:52.339 --> 00:44:54.220
He got sick to his stomach.
00:44:54.220 --> 00:44:56.102
He'd had enough.
00:44:56.102 --> 00:44:57.609
This was not America to him.
00:44:57.609 --> 00:44:59.396
His wife had been keeping diaries.
00:44:59.396 --> 00:45:03.140
They murdered his wife,
and they framed him for it.
00:45:03.140 --> 00:45:06.669
We have affidavits from people saying
he wasn't even at the murder scene.
00:45:06.669 --> 00:45:10.746
We have a letter from the District
Attorney who prosecuted the case,
00:45:10.746 --> 00:45:12.850
who was gay,
00:45:12.850 --> 00:45:14.064
who was being blackmailed
by Special Forces saying,
00:45:14.064 --> 00:45:18.536
"Please destroy the videotape showing
the murderer other than Tyree"
00:45:18.536 --> 00:45:20.487
"coming out of the bedroom window."
00:45:20.487 --> 00:45:22.037
OK?
00:45:22.037 --> 00:45:22.975
There's so much proof that...
00:45:22.975 --> 00:45:24.458
he's been in prison now eighteen years.
00:45:24.458 --> 00:45:27.088
I talked to him yesterday. OK?
00:45:27.088 --> 00:45:29.306
And as we move along with this case,
00:45:29.306 --> 00:45:31.548
we get more and more information
about Watchtower.
00:45:31.548 --> 00:45:35.854
This -- I will hold up for you here --
00:45:35.854 --> 00:45:40.140
this is what the Army has to say
about Watchtower (laughter)
00:45:40.140 --> 00:45:50.497
And then they say it never existed;
it just wasn't there.
00:45:50.497 --> 00:45:54.614
The Central Intelligence Agency -- if I
can find it quickly, and I probably can't --
00:45:54.614 --> 00:45:57.654
but I have documents that he got from
the Central Intelligence Agency
00:45:57.654 --> 00:45:59.999
that says, "There was no
Watchtower mission."
00:45:59.999 --> 00:46:02.647
-- it's a six-page letter in reponse to his
Freedom of Information Act Request --
00:46:02.647 --> 00:46:06.124
They go through three-and-a-half
pages of "There is no Watchtower,"
00:46:06.124 --> 00:46:07.348
and then -- badda-bing, badda-boom --
00:46:07.348 --> 00:46:10.821
it says at the end, "We are reviewing
all of our Watchtower documents"
00:46:10.821 --> 00:46:14.079
"because we've had so many requests
for them; and as soon as..."
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:15.268
Then they wrote him and said,
00:46:15.268 --> 00:46:17.450
"Can we have our last letter back?"
00:46:17.450 --> 00:46:22.423
Believe it or not, they did. (laughter)
00:46:22.423 --> 00:46:25.464
These people are not as smart
as we give them credit for.
00:46:25.464 --> 00:46:30.221
(applause) They use fear as a tool, OK?
00:46:30.221 --> 00:46:34.359
There is so much evidence
about Watchtower.
00:46:34.359 --> 00:46:36.757
And I have spoken to many
Special Forces people.
00:46:36.757 --> 00:46:39.806
This came out, by the way, through
Bo Gritz, who I've met several times,
00:46:39.806 --> 00:46:43.884
after Paul Neary of the National Security
Agency died of natural causes,
00:46:43.884 --> 00:46:45.026
it was forwarded to Bo,
00:46:45.026 --> 00:46:47.633
and Bo started to release
it in the early '90s.
00:46:47.633 --> 00:46:51.943
And there is a ton...
00:46:51.943 --> 00:46:54.438
I mean, if this guy ever gets a trial,
he's free.
00:46:54.438 --> 00:46:57.440
And In my speech Saturday at the rally,
00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:59.715
I'm going to be talking about Bill Tyree.
00:46:59.715 --> 00:47:03.497
I'm going to be talking about the twelve
or so members of Special Forces
00:47:03.497 --> 00:47:05.458
who have shared with me
the shame they carry
00:47:05.458 --> 00:47:11.209
at having been ordered
to do things like this.
00:47:11.209 --> 00:47:16.428
Now, I want to get to someone who's
even gonna make you feel worse,
00:47:16.428 --> 00:47:18.987
if that's possible.
00:47:18.987 --> 00:47:25.132
Ah, thank you.
00:47:25.132 --> 00:47:30.860
Pardon me, I'm gonna hit the glass.
00:47:31.860 --> 00:47:35.129
This is a guy that I get to take credit
for discovering all by myself.
00:47:35.129 --> 00:47:37.315
Again, I have such wonderful luck.
00:47:37.315 --> 00:47:43.093
Colonel Albert Vincent Carone.
00:47:43.093 --> 00:47:46.213
In this copyrighted report
that I wrote in 1994,
00:47:46.213 --> 00:47:47.257
I called him the missing link
00:47:47.257 --> 00:47:51.991
between Iran-Contra cocaine operations
and organized crime.
00:47:51.991 --> 00:47:55.847
This man was 20 years with the
New York Police Department,
00:47:55.847 --> 00:47:58.471
a detective,
00:47:58.471 --> 00:48:01.787
who happened to be involved in
a couple of very key NYPD cases
00:48:01.787 --> 00:48:05.926
known as The French Connection
and The Prince of the City,
00:48:05.926 --> 00:48:09.270
for which my colleague Jimmy Rothstein
, a retired NYPD detective,
00:48:09.270 --> 00:48:14.762
deserves great credit as having
uncovered the CIA links to both cases.
00:48:14.762 --> 00:48:20.755
This is a picture of Colonel Albert
Carone after his retirement from NYPD.
00:48:20.755 --> 00:48:23.916
He was caught sodomizing
two twelve-year-old boys,
00:48:23.916 --> 00:48:25.710
and they gave him a pension.
00:48:25.710 --> 00:48:30.098
He had been a bagman and a CIA
operative for his whole career.
00:48:30.098 --> 00:48:32.427
He is the counterpart in NYPD
00:48:32.427 --> 00:48:34.555
for what they wanted me and others
to do at LAPD,
00:48:34.555 --> 00:48:38.421
except for... this guy died,
by the way, in 1990.
00:48:38.421 --> 00:48:42.231
I've held his personal phone book
in my hand.
00:48:42.231 --> 00:48:43.474
Let me backtrack again:
00:48:43.474 --> 00:48:48.456
the death certificate when he died:
we call it "the CIA flu."
00:48:48.456 --> 00:48:55.763
The death certificate read
"chemical toxicity of unknown etiology,"
00:48:55.763 --> 00:48:57.132
(laughter)
00:48:57.132 --> 00:49:00.314
His liver and brain self-destructed
over a period of six months,
00:49:00.314 --> 00:49:02.581
and no doctor, of about eleven
doctors who treated him,
00:49:02.581 --> 00:49:04.828
could figure out what was causing it.
00:49:04.828 --> 00:49:11.396
I've held his phone book in my hand,
Colonel Albert Carone,
00:49:11.396 --> 00:49:15.506
and in that phone book, I found William
Casey's home phone number
00:49:15.506 --> 00:49:19.693
in Locust Valley, Long Island.
00:49:19.693 --> 00:49:23.492
I found the home phone number
for Paulie Castellano.
00:49:23.492 --> 00:49:26.238
Anybody know who Paulie Castellano is?
00:49:26.238 --> 00:49:28.781
He's the guy who took over
the Gambino crime family.
00:49:28.781 --> 00:49:31.776
"Matty the Horse" Ianniello.
00:49:31.776 --> 00:49:35.453
Pete Licavoli.
00:49:35.453 --> 00:49:38.156
More mobsters than you
can shake a stick at.
00:49:38.156 --> 00:49:41.944
Now, I found a couple other
names in the phone book.
00:49:41.944 --> 00:49:44.868
Go back to Southeast Asia: remember
what I wrote on the board up here?
00:49:44.868 --> 00:49:49.947
Paul Helliwell and Richard Stillwell:
home phone numbers.
00:49:49.947 --> 00:49:54.061
Also key players in a bank called the
Nugan-Hand bank, out of Australia,
00:49:54.061 --> 00:49:58.436
which was the CIA's drug bank, who had
Bill Colby as its chief counsel.
00:49:58.436 --> 00:50:03.362
Uh, this is a clue! This is a clue! OK...
(laughter)
00:50:03.362 --> 00:50:06.447
He went on a mission to Mexico in 1985
00:50:06.447 --> 00:50:08.136
with a guy named James Robert Strauss.
00:50:08.136 --> 00:50:10.834
-- I have no idea how long
I've been going --
00:50:10.834 --> 00:50:11.644
(Host) You're OK.
00:50:11.644 --> 00:50:17.694
OK. James Robert Strauss:
who used to brag about
00:50:17.694 --> 00:50:20.480
having taken quiet walks on the beach
with Richard Nixon.
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:24.952
I hope they weren't too close. (laughter)
00:50:24.952 --> 00:50:26.326
And he came back from
this mission saying,
00:50:26.326 --> 00:50:28.394
"My God! We killed two DEA agents."
00:50:28.394 --> 00:50:32.649
"We massacred a whole bunch
of innocent civilians in Chiapas."
00:50:32.649 --> 00:50:36.083
-- you know that there's a revolution
going on in Chiapas, now --
00:50:36.083 --> 00:50:40.725
"And I've lost my stomach:
I can't do this anymore."
00:50:40.725 --> 00:50:44.320
He had been laundering cocaine profits
from the CIA through the Mafia
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:47.751
for about 25, 30 years,
00:50:47.751 --> 00:50:51.598
and he lost his stomach.
00:50:51.598 --> 00:50:55.174
Not after sodomizing the boys,
or killing people, or anything,
00:50:55.174 --> 00:50:56.911
but when two DEA agents finally killed,
00:50:56.911 --> 00:50:58.892
something finally clicked:
"something is wrong."
00:50:58.892 --> 00:51:02.790
Do we have any other evidence,
by the way?
00:51:02.790 --> 00:51:06.021
Here is one of the pages from
one of his surviving passports.
00:51:06.021 --> 00:51:07.397
If anybody knows anything
about passports,
00:51:07.397 --> 00:51:08.815
he had a black one,
00:51:08.815 --> 00:51:10.562
he had a maroon one,
00:51:10.562 --> 00:51:11.688
he had a green one,
00:51:11.688 --> 00:51:13.366
and he had a blue one...
00:51:13.366 --> 00:51:16.466
-- in three different names.
00:51:16.466 --> 00:51:18.884
Here's a passport stamp showing
three-day circuits
00:51:18.884 --> 00:51:24.900
from John F. Kennedy, to London Heathrow,
to Nassau, the Bahamas.
00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:26.334
Could he have been laundering stuff?
00:51:26.334 --> 00:51:27.941
I don't know.
00:51:27.941 --> 00:51:30.224
We have some bank account
numbers at NatWest,
00:51:30.224 --> 00:51:32.205
the National Bank of Westminster,
00:51:32.205 --> 00:51:36.886
and Coutts & Co., one of which is still live.
His daughter has it.
00:51:36.886 --> 00:51:39.089
We have military records.
00:51:39.089 --> 00:51:44.346
We have travel records from
Strauss, Downing and Associates.
00:51:44.346 --> 00:51:45.904
His partner had an insurance company,
00:51:45.904 --> 00:51:49.215
but for a guy who sold insurance
domestically,
00:51:49.215 --> 00:51:54.483
why would he need to go to
Johannesburg; Hong Kong; London;
00:51:54.483 --> 00:52:00.549
Kuala Lumpur; Seoul; Luanda, Angola;
the Jersey Islands
00:52:00.704 --> 00:52:03.553
-- they do a lot of laundering in the
Jersey Islands off the British coast --
00:52:03.553 --> 00:52:10.904
Casablanca; Madrid... and then I've got
five pages of travel records.
00:52:10.904 --> 00:52:14.763
When Albert Carone died of chemical
toxicity of unknown etiology,
00:52:14.783 --> 00:52:16.586
several things happened.
00:52:16.586 --> 00:52:20.619
Every military record of
the guy disappeared.
00:52:20.619 --> 00:52:24.203
His New York Police pension
disappeared.
00:52:24.203 --> 00:52:29.228
His bank accounts disappeared.
00:52:29.228 --> 00:52:31.863
His insurance policies disappeared.
00:52:31.863 --> 00:52:36.632
His driver's license record
in New Mexico disappeared.
00:52:36.632 --> 00:52:37.991
Every record of this man
00:52:37.991 --> 00:52:41.152
was sanitized in the space
of three weeks.
00:52:41.152 --> 00:52:43.576
His daughter, Dee Carone Ferdinand
00:52:43.576 --> 00:52:45.727
-- whom I love dearly, and who is
one of my closest friends --
00:52:45.727 --> 00:52:49.007
was left utterly broke and bankrupt:
wiped out.
00:52:49.007 --> 00:52:53.261
She wrote to Pete Domenici's office
and sent a picture of this phtograph,
00:52:53.261 --> 00:52:54.813
saying, "My father was a Colonel."
00:52:54.813 --> 00:52:57.272
And the Army said,
"He was a Sergeant in World War II,"
00:52:57.272 --> 00:52:59.371
and that's what they buried him as:
a Master Sergeant.
00:52:59.371 --> 00:53:03.217
Pete Domenici's office called her back
and said, "He rented the uniform."
00:53:03.217 --> 00:53:08.531
OK. All right, well, then we'll just have
to assume that twelve years earlier,
00:53:08.619 --> 00:53:10.994
he rented a uniform as a Major.
00:53:10.994 --> 00:53:19.049
With exactly the same decorations.
Hmm.
00:53:19.576 --> 00:53:26.532
She really went to bat, because
everything was sanitized.
00:53:26.532 --> 00:53:28.553
And she admits that her father
was not a good man,
00:53:28.553 --> 00:53:32.400
but everything that he had left her
was wiped out,
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:37.689
and she lost probably $25-30,000
of her own money,
00:53:37.689 --> 00:53:40.367
and she is dying to testify
before Congress.
00:53:40.367 --> 00:53:46.091
I went out and met with her
in '94... '93, actually...
00:53:46.091 --> 00:53:50.475
and gathered all this information, wrote
my report, talked to the doctors.
00:53:50.475 --> 00:53:55.534
I mean, here's some of his diplomas
from Intelligence School,
00:53:55.534 --> 00:53:56.865
and so on and so forth.
00:53:56.865 --> 00:53:58.706
And he was flying a lot of...
00:53:58.706 --> 00:54:01.154
he was involved with people flying drugs
in and out of Mid-Valley Airport.
00:54:01.154 --> 00:54:03.038
and Mid-Valley is a counterpart to Mena.
00:54:03.038 --> 00:54:05.444
The only reason why Mena is so popular
now is... two reasons:
00:54:05.444 --> 00:54:06.879
because of the size and quanity of drugs,
00:54:06.879 --> 00:54:08.760
and because it was Bill Clinton's state.
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:10.214
But there are many Menas in this country.
00:54:10.214 --> 00:54:13.034
Don't confuse yourself here, folks.
00:54:13.034 --> 00:54:17.319
Many Menas, everywhere, OK?
00:54:17.319 --> 00:54:21.899
So, after doing all of this investigation,
00:54:21.899 --> 00:54:23.532
photographing everything that I could,
00:54:23.532 --> 00:54:29.086
I said to her, "Well, from my research
and all these years of study,"
00:54:29.086 --> 00:54:32.512
"there's only one guy in the world that
I can think of that you need to talk to"
00:54:32.512 --> 00:54:35.371
"who can help you do anything
about your father's case."
00:54:35.371 --> 00:54:38.805
"His name is Ted Shackley."
00:54:38.805 --> 00:54:40.492
By the way, did you know
that Ted Shackley,
00:54:40.492 --> 00:54:41.970
when Oliver North ran for Senate,
00:54:41.970 --> 00:54:45.206
was leasing Oliver North office space
for, like, five dollars a month?
00:54:45.206 --> 00:54:48.639
No connection, no connection.
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:52.281
So, she finds a guy named
Robert Mayhew
00:54:52.281 --> 00:54:54.250
who's living in New Mexico.
00:54:54.250 --> 00:54:57.860
Mayhew puts her in touch
with Shackley.
00:54:57.860 --> 00:55:01.231
Now, her father's buried, and the
headstone reads, "Staff Sergeant."
00:55:01.231 --> 00:55:04.602
After three years of trying to get that
changed to "Colonel,"
00:55:04.602 --> 00:55:06.530
she calls Ted Shackley.
00:55:06.530 --> 00:55:10.934
Six weeks later, the headstone
says full Colonel.
00:55:10.934 --> 00:55:12.742
We have before and after photographs.
00:55:12.742 --> 00:55:14.543
We have a copy of the order
when she was...
00:55:14.543 --> 00:55:16.636
she's an Italian from Brooklyn:
she stole it.
00:55:16.636 --> 00:55:18.729
What can I tell you? (laughter)
00:55:18.729 --> 00:55:20.823
We have a copy of the order
directing the change, OK?
00:55:20.823 --> 00:55:24.869
No connection. No connection
whatsoever.
00:55:24.869 --> 00:55:29.610
This case, if we pull this one,
we'll really pull it apart.
00:55:29.610 --> 00:55:31.640
But how many cases like that are there?
00:55:31.640 --> 00:55:32.587
There's dozens.
00:55:32.587 --> 00:55:35.421
There's dozens and dozens
and dozens of cases.
00:55:35.421 --> 00:55:38.065
I want to talk about one more case.
00:55:38.065 --> 00:55:42.754
Anybody recognize this guy?
00:55:42.754 --> 00:55:44.784
Colonel Jim Sabow.
00:55:44.784 --> 00:55:47.257
Full Colonel, United States Marine Corps.
00:55:47.257 --> 00:55:51.915
Chief of Air Operations,
El Toro Marine Air Station.
00:55:51.915 --> 00:55:53.848
Murdered in 1991.
00:55:53.848 --> 00:55:55.752
Now, what's significant about 1991?
00:55:55.752 --> 00:55:59.021
The Cold War had been over for about
four years, three years.
00:55:59.021 --> 00:56:01.803
Iran-Contra was over.
00:56:01.803 --> 00:56:04.595
Why was he murdered?
00:56:04.595 --> 00:56:08.527
This guy, by the way, was about
as straight-arrow as you can get.
00:56:08.527 --> 00:56:11.888
Devout Roman Catholic. His wife
went to mass every day.
00:56:11.888 --> 00:56:14.757
He went every day that he could.
00:56:14.757 --> 00:56:17.105
The "family man of doom:"
00:56:17.105 --> 00:56:19.453
the best family man you
could ever imagine.
00:56:19.453 --> 00:56:21.802
Spotless Marine Corps record.
00:56:21.802 --> 00:56:27.657
He caught C-130s flying onto El Toro
with thousand-kilo loads of cocaine.
00:56:27.657 --> 00:56:32.500
His brother is one of the main speakers
at our rally on Saturday,
00:56:32.500 --> 00:56:35.106
Doctor David Sabow.
00:56:35.106 --> 00:56:39.584
Now, the Naval Investigative Service
said that he committed suicide.
00:56:39.584 --> 00:56:40.848
Now, why did they say
he committed suicide?
00:56:40.848 --> 00:56:44.082
Because he sent a bookcase to his son
on a military flight
00:56:44.082 --> 00:56:47.024
that was flying empty from point A
to point B,
00:56:47.024 --> 00:56:51.705
and they were gonna ruin his career
for that dishonor.
00:56:51.705 --> 00:56:53.026
It happens all the time, folks!
00:56:53.026 --> 00:56:55.708
If the space is empty anyway,
who cares?
00:56:55.708 --> 00:56:58.194
And he says,
"You're not gonna do that to me!"
00:56:58.194 --> 00:57:01.299
He was gonna blow the whistle.
00:57:01.299 --> 00:57:04.707
But according to the Naval Investigative
Service and the Marine Corps,
00:57:04.707 --> 00:57:09.116
Colonel Jim Sabow went out into his
back yard with a 12-gauge shotgun,
00:57:09.116 --> 00:57:13.240
shoved it so hard into his mouth
00:57:13.240 --> 00:57:17.309
that he sheared off the uvula
at the back of his throat
00:57:17.309 --> 00:57:19.571
-- now, you know, if you're
gonna commit suicide,
00:57:19.571 --> 00:57:23.689
why would you put yourself through
all that stuff just to commit suicide? --
00:57:23.689 --> 00:57:25.774
The funny thing about the
Sabow murder case
00:57:25.774 --> 00:57:32.322
is that he aspirated blood for ten minutes
after they said he blew his brians out.
00:57:32.322 --> 00:57:33.916
Now, think about that for a minute, folks.
00:57:33.916 --> 00:57:36.111
If you're dead, you're not breathing.
00:57:36.111 --> 00:57:40.226
How can you aspirate blood
after you've killed yourself?
00:57:40.226 --> 00:57:43.407
It's impossible.
00:57:43.407 --> 00:57:47.384
They also found a deep skull fracture
00:57:47.384 --> 00:57:50.559
on the back of the skull, right back here,
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:54.408
with a hematoma. You don't hematoma...
00:57:54.408 --> 00:57:56.950
-- that doesn't sound like a...
it sounds like a dance --
00:57:56.950 --> 00:58:00.681
you don't get hematomas if you're dead.
00:58:00.681 --> 00:58:02.585
That's a result of the body
trying to heal itself
00:58:02.585 --> 00:58:05.199
and fluid rushing to the wound.
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:07.666
Somebody knocked him out -- boom!
00:58:07.666 --> 00:58:12.834
Let him lie on the ground for ten minutes
with a skull fracture, inhaling blood,
00:58:12.834 --> 00:58:17.894
before they shoved a shotgun so hard
down his throat it sheared off his uvula.
00:58:17.894 --> 00:58:19.052
OK?
00:58:19.052 --> 00:58:25.209
This report contains the reports of
eight different forensic pathologists,
00:58:25.209 --> 00:58:28.873
who have all said this man did not
commit suicide: he was murdered.
00:58:28.873 --> 00:58:32.826
The brother, Dr. David Sabow,
is a medical doctor
00:58:32.826 --> 00:58:35.630
who lives in South Dakota.
00:58:35.630 --> 00:58:38.345
He's been fighting this case non-stop
since Jim was murdered.
00:58:38.345 --> 00:58:40.831
And he's winning some cases.
00:58:40.831 --> 00:58:43.268
His attorney now is Daniel Sheehan,
00:58:43.268 --> 00:58:46.319
who people have many
mixed opinions about,
00:58:46.319 --> 00:58:48.290
who was the head of the Christic Institute
back in the '80s,
00:58:48.290 --> 00:58:50.123
but Danny's doing a good job
with this case.
00:58:50.123 --> 00:58:52.241
What happened with the Marine Corps
and the Navy
00:58:52.241 --> 00:58:54.069
as Dr. Sabow tried to fight this,
00:58:54.069 --> 00:58:58.706
was there were some loyal Marines who
snuck out some records and some notes,
00:58:58.706 --> 00:59:02.375
which said: "Get David Sabow."
00:59:02.375 --> 00:59:04.294
The Marine Corps went after
his medical license,
00:59:04.294 --> 00:59:07.447
saying that people should
do illegal things,
00:59:07.447 --> 00:59:09.701
and of course that didn't go anywhere.
00:59:09.701 --> 00:59:11.969
But they have the documented
records about a strategy
00:59:11.969 --> 00:59:16.892
designed to make Dr. Sabow
lose his medical license.
00:59:17.542 --> 00:59:20.722
They are trying to move ahead with trial,
00:59:20.722 --> 00:59:25.279
and he just won a major decision in
the US Ninth Circuit here in California.
00:59:25.279 --> 00:59:27.396
Not on the CIA issue,
00:59:27.396 --> 00:59:31.934
but granting him broad discovery
to subpoena the military records
00:59:31.934 --> 00:59:40.205
regarding the cocaine activities.
(applause)
00:59:40.710 --> 00:59:43.470
Again, David Sabow will be one
of our speakers Saturday,
00:59:43.470 --> 00:59:44.677
as weill Cele Castillo.
00:59:44.677 --> 00:59:46.738
Mike Levine was supposed to come.
00:59:46.738 --> 00:59:50.103
He wound up with a 102
temperature yesterday
00:59:50.103 --> 00:59:52.794
after testifying for about
two weeks in San Diego
00:59:52.794 --> 00:59:55.718
in a case where two agents
murdered a sailor down there,
00:59:55.718 --> 00:59:57.422
and he's been ordered back
to New York to go to bed.
00:59:57.422 --> 00:59:59.499
So we're going to miss Mike,
but he's here in spirit.
00:59:59.499 --> 01:00:04.165
So I guess what I want
to say to you is this:
01:00:04.165 --> 01:00:09.119
this is bigger than any of us think.
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:10.619
They've been flying in drugs
all over this country.
01:00:10.619 --> 01:00:13.138
They've been dealing drugs to Americans
for 40 or 50 years.
01:00:13.138 --> 01:00:18.020
But go back to the analogy that I gave
you before about the drunk on a binge.
01:00:18.020 --> 01:00:20.727
OK? We can see that it's been getting
worse and worse and worse.
01:00:20.727 --> 01:00:23.939
They have utterly corrupted
the criminal justice system.
01:00:23.939 --> 01:00:25.611
When we have a guy like Stanley Sporkin
01:00:25.611 --> 01:00:29.163
sitting on the US District Court
in Washington, DC...
01:00:29.163 --> 01:00:30.737
Do you know who Stanley Sporkin is?
01:00:30.737 --> 01:00:34.606
Retired Chief Counsel for the
Central Intelligence Agency.
01:00:34.606 --> 01:00:37.964
He sits on the bench, on the
US District Court in Washington.
01:00:37.964 --> 01:00:41.866
His email messages read:
"To Stanley from Ollie,"
01:00:41.866 --> 01:00:45.277
during the Iran-Contra era.
01:00:45.277 --> 01:00:49.570
You want to talk about a chokepoint
to control key cases?
01:00:49.570 --> 01:00:51.859
I have spoken to people who used to work
01:00:51.859 --> 01:00:56.146
for a company called eSystems in Texas.
01:00:56.146 --> 01:00:59.197
I see old Bob going crazy over there
about eSystems.
01:00:59.197 --> 01:01:05.032
Their children, one of them had
had her son murdered
01:01:05.032 --> 01:01:06.405
because he discovered eSystems.
01:01:06.405 --> 01:01:12.148
eSystems makes all the encryption
devices for the NSA and CIA.
01:01:12.148 --> 01:01:14.703
There is not a secret that
the government has
01:01:14.703 --> 01:01:16.720
that eSystems does not also have.
01:01:16.720 --> 01:01:20.133
Sitting on the Board of Directors of
eSystems is Admiral William Raborn,
01:01:20.133 --> 01:01:23.604
retired Director of Central Intelligence.
01:01:23.604 --> 01:01:26.071
We have documented eSystems CIA flights
01:01:26.071 --> 01:01:29.280
dropping massive loads of cocaine
into Lake Tawakoni,
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:33.448
landing at the eSystems airport
in Garland, Texas. OK?
01:01:33.448 --> 01:01:38.140
There is proof. There is an
enormous amount of proof.
01:01:38.140 --> 01:01:42.091
What do we do, OK?
What do we do, all right?
01:01:42.091 --> 01:01:46.718
20 years: I want to share with you
my experience, strength, and hope
01:01:46.718 --> 01:01:48.924
having looked at this for 20 years,
01:01:48.924 --> 01:01:52.312
being a graduate of Political Science
from UCLA,
01:01:52.312 --> 01:01:55.700
having knocked on every door.
01:01:55.700 --> 01:01:59.089
There isn't a thing you can think of
that I haven't tried, OK?
01:01:59.089 --> 01:02:01.662
I'm gonna tell you what we do.
01:02:01.662 --> 01:02:02.921
I'll tell you that...
01:02:02.921 --> 01:02:11.808
there were times, for me, in the 20 years,
that I've had incredible depressions,
01:02:11.808 --> 01:02:16.277
incredible heartache, incredible
disillusionment, utter hopelessness,
01:02:16.277 --> 01:02:20.145
knowing that I was going to die
and never see a day of justice.
01:02:20.145 --> 01:02:23.356
And I'll tell you, I think I'm beginning
to understand how a slave felt,
01:02:23.356 --> 01:02:26.287
knowing that he was going to die
01:02:26.287 --> 01:02:31.075
and that neither he nor his children
would have any hope of seeing freedom.
01:02:31.075 --> 01:02:35.029
And there were times when I thought...
01:02:35.029 --> 01:02:40.336
and I used to manage the largest gun
store in the state, B&B. (applause)
01:02:40.336 --> 01:02:45.033
-- And I got so much good information
out of B&B!
01:02:45.033 --> 01:02:46.888
Because we'd sell to all these Feds,
and they'd come in.
01:02:46.888 --> 01:02:49.139
I'd say, "Yeah, come on back and shoot
this MP-5." And the guy would just
01:02:49.139 --> 01:02:55.130
start blabbering all kinds of stuff to me.
It was wonderful! --
01:02:55.130 --> 01:02:57.951
There were times when I wanted,
like others
01:02:57.951 --> 01:03:00.772
-- and I will not criticize them --
01:03:00.772 --> 01:03:03.595
to go to the hills.
01:03:03.595 --> 01:03:05.701
I have no family. I've never had children.
01:03:05.701 --> 01:03:10.721
I was told that if I ever had children,
they'd kill 'em.
01:03:10.721 --> 01:03:12.879
And I thought about going to the hills
and giving up,
01:03:12.879 --> 01:03:17.227
and waiting just for a chance
to go out fighting.
01:03:17.227 --> 01:03:19.218
But I will tell you what I have
learned in 20 years:
01:03:19.218 --> 01:03:29.756
that it takes more courage to stand up
and talk than it does to fight.
01:03:31.245 --> 01:03:35.439
(applause)
01:03:35.439 --> 01:03:37.171
What is happening now...
01:03:37.171 --> 01:03:39.784
-- and in a minute or so, I'm going
to turn it over to Mike Novick
01:03:39.784 --> 01:03:41.501
from the Crack the CIA Coalition --
01:03:41.501 --> 01:03:47.107
what I see happening now is a potential
miracle of Biblical proportions.
01:03:47.107 --> 01:03:52.481
I happen to believe in God.
I have a higher power.
01:03:52.481 --> 01:03:59.186
I could not be sober 14 years otherwise.
(applause)
01:03:59.186 --> 01:04:05.366
I do not believe that my God
has ordained, for me, suffering.
01:04:05.366 --> 01:04:08.954
I don't believe that he has ordained
an Armageddon.
01:04:08.954 --> 01:04:11.088
I don't believe that he has asked me
to do anything,
01:04:11.088 --> 01:04:15.312
but to do the right thing in faith
one day at a time.
01:04:15.312 --> 01:04:19.351
What's gonna happen Saturday
is that, in one sense,
01:04:19.351 --> 01:04:22.850
the lion is going to lay down
with the lamb.
01:04:22.850 --> 01:04:25.775
These people who are in the
Crack the CIA coalition
01:04:25.775 --> 01:04:30.040
-- of which I have been a part, now,
for I guess about a month or so?
01:04:30.040 --> 01:04:33.351
Six weeks? Whatever --
01:04:33.351 --> 01:04:36.662
are people you would not ordinarily associate with.
01:04:36.662 --> 01:04:39.975
On a daily basis, I work hand-in-hand
with a former Black Panther.
01:04:39.975 --> 01:04:44.910
There are people from socialist
organizations,
01:04:44.910 --> 01:04:48.947
and there are people from labor parties,
01:04:48.947 --> 01:04:50.635
and there are black militants.
01:04:50.635 --> 01:05:02.267
And there are Indians and Hispanics
and... Democrats! You know? (laughter)
01:05:02.267 --> 01:05:03.661
And I want you to know something:
01:05:03.661 --> 01:05:06.685
these people are standing up for you.
01:05:06.685 --> 01:05:10.172
These people plan to go
to the street to say,
01:05:10.172 --> 01:05:12.441
"CIA is dealing drugs, and it's wrong."
01:05:12.441 --> 01:05:13.636
And they plan to stand up,
01:05:13.636 --> 01:05:15.873
which is the most courageous
thing we can do
01:05:15.873 --> 01:05:19.198
to go to the street and exercise
First Amendment rights.
01:05:19.198 --> 01:05:22.429
And they're doing it for you, and me,
and the stockbrokers in New York,
01:05:22.429 --> 01:05:24.221
and the rich housewives in Saint Louis.
01:05:24.221 --> 01:05:28.924
And they're putting aside all of
their differences, saying,
01:05:28.924 --> 01:05:34.525
"This is not about anything other
than right and wrong." (applause)
01:05:40.571 --> 01:05:47.131
See, what the Agency, what the Shadow
Government has done for so long
01:05:47.131 --> 01:05:49.499
is to pit us against each other:
01:05:49.499 --> 01:05:52.266
black against white, against rich,
against poor,
01:05:52.266 --> 01:05:55.170
against gay, against straight,
against cop...
01:05:55.170 --> 01:05:58.428
We've been turned... you know,
and we react.
01:05:58.428 --> 01:06:01.862
Last night I was on the show, KIEV,
and this guy calls in and goes,
01:06:01.862 --> 01:06:04.526
"Well, it's the Communist conspiracy,"
01:06:04.526 --> 01:06:07.505
"and you've got Tom Hayden
endorsing this, and... my God!"
01:06:07.505 --> 01:06:11.734
And, "They're gonna start violence,
and it's the Communists taking..."
01:06:11.734 --> 01:06:14.535
I said, "Wait a minute.
Hold it just a minute!"
01:06:14.535 --> 01:06:16.765
"You know, sure, there were
Communists,"
01:06:16.765 --> 01:06:18.995
"and they weren't good people."
01:06:18.995 --> 01:06:21.227
"But how about the fact that we brought
all these Gestapo and SS"
01:06:21.227 --> 01:06:26.258
"into our Special Forces and our
Central Intelligence Agency?"
01:06:26.258 --> 01:06:27.962
"Those are Nazis!"
01:06:27.962 --> 01:06:30.648
I said, "Why don't we just do this
like, 'I'm a cop.'"
01:06:30.648 --> 01:06:33.668
"'I don't care what political party
a bad guy belongs to'"
01:06:33.668 --> 01:06:38.056
"'I just want to make the arrest,
you know?'"
01:06:38.056 --> 01:06:42.260
(applause)
01:06:42.260 --> 01:06:45.734
If we can do what I'm hoping
we can do on Saturday,
01:06:45.734 --> 01:06:48.610
we will have 10, 15,000 people
in the streets.
01:06:48.610 --> 01:06:50.744
And I pray to God some of you are there.
01:06:50.744 --> 01:06:52.677
And there are people coming from
various parts of the country,
01:06:52.677 --> 01:06:54.449
and there are people
from the right as well.
01:06:54.449 --> 01:06:57.824
And we can have a show of Americans
01:06:57.824 --> 01:07:02.389
standing up in the street for
American rights,
01:07:02.389 --> 01:07:04.024
So that when we do get justice,
01:07:04.024 --> 01:07:05.955
everybody can go back to
doing their own thing.
01:07:05.955 --> 01:07:16.820
But if we do not hang together,
we shall all surely hang separately. OK?
01:07:16.820 --> 01:07:17.829
(applause)
01:07:17.829 --> 01:07:19.915
We're trying to do something
which is really dangerous,
01:07:19.915 --> 01:07:23.718
and if we pull it off, we're gonna
scare the bad guys to death.
01:07:23.718 --> 01:07:25.601
We are gonna make a statement,
01:07:25.601 --> 01:07:27.964
when they look through the crowd
and see who's there,
01:07:27.964 --> 01:07:30.125
and see that we can pull this off
01:07:30.125 --> 01:07:34.475
non-violently, peacefully, with
enthusiasm and cooperation.
01:07:34.475 --> 01:07:37.030
This is something that hasn't been done.
01:07:37.030 --> 01:07:39.534
It takes more courage to stand up
than it does to fight.
01:07:39.534 --> 01:07:42.113
It takes more courage to talk
and to say "I believe,"
01:07:42.113 --> 01:07:45.816
"And I am willing to say you are wrong."
01:07:45.816 --> 01:07:47.293
Because we're afraid of the ostracism:
01:07:47.293 --> 01:07:50.575
well, let's stand up together and see
if we can't change something.
01:07:50.575 --> 01:07:53.169
I want to call upon Mike, and we'll
et him talk for a few minutes.
01:07:53.169 --> 01:07:54.898
Then we'll take questions.
01:07:54.898 --> 01:08:01.433
(applause)
01:08:05.729 --> 01:08:09.416
(Michael Novick) Talk about
a tough act to follow.
01:08:09.416 --> 01:08:13.106
That's a pretty amazing set of facts,
01:08:13.106 --> 01:08:15.308
but really, the life that this
man has lived
01:08:15.308 --> 01:08:17.513
to come to this momement and
be here with us,
01:08:17.513 --> 01:08:18.666
I think is incredible.
01:08:18.666 --> 01:08:21.549
And I really want to thank Mike
for his tremendous courage
01:08:21.549 --> 01:08:25.418
and his openness to just deal with
the truth and the speak the truth
01:08:25.418 --> 01:08:29.050
and the face the consequences of that.
01:08:29.050 --> 01:08:30.517
And I think it's something
we all have to do.
01:08:30.517 --> 01:08:32.983
And I am here, basically, tonight,
01:08:32.983 --> 01:08:35.503
to tell you a little bit about the
Crack the CIA Coalition,
01:08:35.503 --> 01:08:37.381
and about the demonstration.
01:08:37.381 --> 01:08:40.977
There are flyers here, and we'd like
to urge you to take some flyers
01:08:40.977 --> 01:08:43.191
and pass them out in the next day or two
to bring people.
01:08:43.191 --> 01:08:47.148
We want this to be as massive
and as broad
01:08:47.148 --> 01:08:50.666
and as open and as democratic a
demonstration as it's possible to have.
01:08:50.666 --> 01:08:54.390
We have a set of principles of unity,
01:08:54.390 --> 01:08:58.095
and the principles are that
we are opposed
01:08:58.095 --> 01:09:00.172
to the crimes that the CIA
has committed
01:09:00.172 --> 01:09:01.605
against the people of this country
01:09:01.605 --> 01:09:02.988
and against other people
around the world,
01:09:02.988 --> 01:09:05.539
and I think one of the things
01:09:05.539 --> 01:09:08.377
that has become very clear to us
in doing this work
01:09:08.377 --> 01:09:12.566
is that it's impossible to protect
ourselves, somehow
01:09:12.566 --> 01:09:15.641
by the use of agencies like the CIA.
01:09:15.641 --> 01:09:19.813
Because the crimes that they carry out,
supposedly, in our name,
01:09:19.813 --> 01:09:22.032
somehow to protect the
American way of life,
01:09:22.032 --> 01:09:25.176
are crimes committed against us
every single day.
01:09:25.176 --> 01:09:27.444
And that the crimes they committed
in Nicaragua,
01:09:27.444 --> 01:09:30.434
and the crimes they committed
in other parts of the world
01:09:30.434 --> 01:09:34.207
inevitably are going to affect us.
01:09:34.207 --> 01:09:37.593
And we see the destruction they've
created, the devastation,
01:09:37.593 --> 01:09:39.727
not only in South-Central Los Angeles,
01:09:39.727 --> 01:09:42.283
but in every village and hamlet
in this country.
01:09:42.283 --> 01:09:44.370
And crack is not something,
now, they thought
01:09:44.370 --> 01:09:48.147
that they could dump in one community
and somehow destroy that community
01:09:48.147 --> 01:09:51.111
and not have it spread out
throughout the society.
01:09:51.111 --> 01:09:56.758
So we're seeing the tremendous
connections between what's going on.
01:09:56.758 --> 01:10:02.575
And people here, I know, have
no love for Bill Clinton, I'm sure.
01:10:02.575 --> 01:10:07.578
And I think it's important to understand
that the people in this coalition
01:10:07.578 --> 01:10:14.420
are not in any way part of the coalition
that Bill Clinton represents.
01:10:14.420 --> 01:10:16.925
The people in this coalition
are a coalition
01:10:16.925 --> 01:10:19.437
of forces trying to claim their
humanity, defend themselves,
01:10:19.437 --> 01:10:23.931
to recognize the need for solidarity
to deal with this.
01:10:23.931 --> 01:10:27.609
And I've been on talk radio,
and I used that word once,
01:10:27.609 --> 01:10:32.376
and somebody said, "When I hear that
word, solidarity, I wanna lock and load."
01:10:32.376 --> 01:10:33.310
(laughter)
01:10:33.310 --> 01:10:36.522
But I'm telling you that that's
what you need.
01:10:36.522 --> 01:10:38.524
That if you want to deal with the CIA,
01:10:38.524 --> 01:10:39.849
if you want to deal with Bill Clinton,
01:10:39.849 --> 01:10:42.405
you have to recognize what they're about.
01:10:42.405 --> 01:10:44.957
And they're about an empire.
01:10:44.957 --> 01:10:46.925
And the problem with Bill Clinton is
not whether you think he's a socialist
01:10:46.925 --> 01:10:48.343
or you think he's a moderate,
01:10:48.343 --> 01:10:49.381
or you think he's this or that.
01:10:49.381 --> 01:10:52.244
Bill Clinton is an emperor,
01:10:52.244 --> 01:10:54.229
and that's the problem with Bill Clinton.
01:10:54.229 --> 01:10:57.249
And Bill Clinton wants you
to be subjects of his empire.
01:10:57.249 --> 01:11:00.527
And if you want to have any other status
than as a subject of that empire,
01:11:00.527 --> 01:11:03.973
then you have to stand with the former
Black Panthers in this coalition,
01:11:03.973 --> 01:11:06.285
and you have to stand up on Saturday
01:11:06.285 --> 01:11:10.786
and say that Bill Clinton and the CIA are
not committing these crimes your names
01:11:10.786 --> 01:11:12.046
or in our names,
01:11:12.046 --> 01:11:15.134
and if we want to protect ourselves
from those criminals,
01:11:15.134 --> 01:11:19.552
we have to take action with all the
good people of South Central,
01:11:19.552 --> 01:11:20.950
the good people of East Los Angeles,
01:11:20.950 --> 01:11:24.555
the good people of the San Fernando
Valley have to stand up together,
01:11:24.555 --> 01:11:29.401
and say, "We want a different
and a better world together."
01:11:29.401 --> 01:11:32.540
So I would like to urge you
to come out on Saturday.
01:11:32.540 --> 01:11:35.816
I would also like to urge you, if you
have some funds to make available,
01:11:35.816 --> 01:11:39.267
I know that you all have your own needs
and demands,
01:11:39.267 --> 01:11:41.280
but as a representative of this coalition,
01:11:41.280 --> 01:11:44.361
I'd like to give you the address
for a moment.
01:11:44.361 --> 01:11:47.030
We have a PO Box.
01:11:47.030 --> 01:11:49.398
it's the Crack the CIA Coalition,
01:11:49.398 --> 01:11:53.107
and it's PO Box 191601,
01:11:53.107 --> 01:11:55.832
Los Angeles, California, 90019.
01:11:55.832 --> 01:12:00.383
We've been fronting out money to
bring Cele Castillo to Los Angeles,
01:12:00.383 --> 01:12:05.522
to bring Dr. David Sabow from
South Dakota to Los Angeles,
01:12:05.522 --> 01:12:07.659
to bring documentation information
01:12:07.659 --> 01:12:09.143
and to put on this demonstration,
01:12:09.143 --> 01:12:11.893
and so we want you definitely
to come out and support.
01:12:11.893 --> 01:12:13.776
We want you to be a part
of this process.
01:12:13.776 --> 01:12:15.529
We are not stopping with the
demonstration tomorrow.
01:12:15.529 --> 01:12:15.924
The demonstration tomorrow
is the beginning.
01:12:15.924 --> 01:12:19.095
We are co-sponsoring on March 15th
01:12:19.095 --> 01:12:21.556
-- and everyone here is certainly
welcome to come --
01:12:21.556 --> 01:12:24.148
a teach-in on all of this material
01:12:24.148 --> 01:12:28.127
at Fairfax High School in the
city of Los Angeles.
01:12:28.127 --> 01:12:33.066
That will be beginning, I believe,
at eleven o'clock on March 15th,
01:12:33.066 --> 01:12:34.678
which is a Saturday in
about three weeks.
01:12:34.678 --> 01:12:38.041
We're gonna be having
Peter Dale Scott,
01:12:38.041 --> 01:12:40.824
the author of the books that
Mike Ruppert mentioned,
01:12:40.824 --> 01:12:41.943
the Cocaine Politics.
01:12:41.943 --> 01:12:43.892
We're gonna be having
Dr. Alfred McCoy,
01:12:43.892 --> 01:12:46.343
the author of the leading
book on this,
01:12:46.343 --> 01:12:47.994
what he referred as "the Bible."
01:12:47.994 --> 01:12:49.496
And all of this effort is the effort
01:12:49.496 --> 01:12:53.705
to expose these truths and these
realities to all of you
01:12:53.705 --> 01:12:55.646
and to the rest of us,
to educate ourselves,
01:12:55.646 --> 01:12:59.879
to mobilize ourselves and to support
each other in this movement.
01:12:59.879 --> 01:13:01.375
And that's what it's going to take.
01:13:01.375 --> 01:13:02.485
It's going to take a movement to resist,
01:13:02.485 --> 01:13:04.993
to counter the lies,
01:13:04.993 --> 01:13:07.215
and to expose ourselves
to some truth that...
01:13:07.215 --> 01:13:14.389
people here certainly understand
what's disseminated in the media
01:13:14.389 --> 01:13:17.195
bears very little relation to reality.
01:13:17.195 --> 01:13:19.269
but you might want to re-think
some of the things
01:13:19.269 --> 01:13:21.214
that you have absorbed from
those same media,
01:13:21.214 --> 01:13:27.246
criminalizing and castigating and
demonizing people on the left
01:13:27.246 --> 01:13:29.984
who might have something to share
and something to offer you.
01:13:29.984 --> 01:13:31.637
Demonizing people who have stood up:
01:13:31.637 --> 01:13:33.725
there's a man named Michael Zinzun,
for example,
01:13:33.725 --> 01:13:35.768
who is involved with the gang truce,
01:13:35.768 --> 01:13:37.498
a former Black Panther. Not closely
involved in this coalition,
01:13:37.498 --> 01:13:43.059
but he is somebody who... files
were taken out of the LAPD
01:13:43.059 --> 01:13:47.069
to prevent him from running for
the City Council in Pasadena.
01:13:47.069 --> 01:13:49.998
These crimes go on and on and on,
01:13:49.998 --> 01:13:54.627
and they will not be stopped unless
people stand up and say, "No more."
01:13:54.627 --> 01:13:57.407
So we're trying to do that on one
particular day,
01:13:57.407 --> 01:13:59.087
but in a very long-term way.
01:13:59.087 --> 01:14:01.635
And we're happy to dialogue
about these things.
01:14:01.635 --> 01:14:03.164
And I think you for the time.
01:14:03.164 --> 01:14:05.104
I thank Michael for his tremendous
presentation,
01:14:05.104 --> 01:14:10.055
and I think we owe him a
tremendous debt of gratitude.
01:14:10.055 --> 01:14:18.338
(applause)
01:14:18.338 --> 01:14:19.617
OK, we're gonna have questions.
01:14:19.617 --> 01:14:21.392
Questions from the back of the room.
01:14:21.392 --> 01:14:22.576
So those of you who have questions
01:14:22.576 --> 01:14:24.560
Mike will be glad to try
and answer for you.
01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:26.503
So please feel free to...
01:14:26.503 --> 01:14:28.198
I'm sorry, the leaflet actually
(xx) asked:
01:14:28.198 --> 01:14:30.482
Twelve Noon at City Hall,
Downtown Los Angeles,
01:14:30.482 --> 01:14:32.766
First and Spring Street.
01:14:32.766 --> 01:14:35.051
We'll be marching from there
to the LA Times,
01:14:35.051 --> 01:14:37.607
to the Los Angeles Federal Building,
01:14:37.607 --> 01:14:39.757
and then back for a rally at City Hall.
01:14:39.757 --> 01:14:42.500
(inaudible off-mic)
01:14:42.500 --> 01:14:44.075
We have a permit. We obtained a permit.
01:14:44.075 --> 01:14:47.433
We are marching with police
at a distance,
01:14:47.433 --> 01:14:52.030
But it's a complely legal march;
01:14:52.030 --> 01:14:54.394
it's a completely non-violent march.
01:14:54.394 --> 01:14:56.841
We're there to express these truths
01:14:56.841 --> 01:15:01.406
and to take a stand on these issues.
01:15:01.406 --> 01:15:02.259
(Woman) Mr. Ruppert?
01:15:02.259 --> 01:15:03.097
Yes.
01:15:03.097 --> 01:15:04.899
(Woman) You mentioned the
Secret Government.
01:15:04.899 --> 01:15:09.192
(Woman) Do you see the CIA
as the ultimate executive?
01:15:09.192 --> 01:15:16.305
(Woman) Or who is the ultimate executive
behind the wrongdoing we see?
01:15:16.305 --> 01:15:20.153
I tend to be, when I answer... well,
I'm always asked this question.
01:15:20.153 --> 01:15:22.459
And I tend to.. I try to be
fairly conservative,
01:15:22.459 --> 01:15:24.775
because I try to approach this
as a detective
01:15:24.775 --> 01:15:27.085
and answer with evidence that I have.
01:15:27.085 --> 01:15:34.448
If you'll recall, I mentioned Paul Jabber,
the UCLA Political Science professor?
01:15:34.448 --> 01:15:37.176
Shortly after I met with him,
he left UCLA
01:15:37.176 --> 01:15:41.607
to become Vice-President
of Banker's Trust
01:15:41.607 --> 01:15:44.336
He took over as Chair of the
Middle East Department
01:15:44.336 --> 01:15:46.786
of the Council on Foreign Relations.
01:15:46.786 --> 01:15:51.810
That's where I see a lot of this going.
01:15:51.810 --> 01:15:54.555
The more I try, logically, as a detective,
01:15:54.555 --> 01:16:00.129
using intuitive inductive logic
to get to the bottom of this,
01:16:00.129 --> 01:16:02.458
I come to banks. that's where I come.
01:16:02.458 --> 01:16:03.848
I come to banks.
01:16:03.848 --> 01:16:05.808
And of course, most of the banks
are foreign-owned.
01:16:05.808 --> 01:16:06.605
Especially...
01:16:06.605 --> 01:16:07.968
(Man off-mic) Follow the money.
01:16:07.968 --> 01:16:09.200
Follow the money. That's the bottom line.
01:16:09.200 --> 01:16:13.856
(Woman) Do you know if Brian Quaig
(sp) is all right? I assume you know him?
01:16:13.856 --> 01:16:14.794
Who?
01:16:14.794 --> 01:16:18.098
(Woman) Brian Quaig of Phoenix?
He's the one with the Internet site
01:16:18.098 --> 01:16:20.992
with all of the material that you have
been speaking about this evening?
01:16:20.992 --> 01:16:22.735
Yeah, I'm not familiar with him.
01:16:22.735 --> 01:16:24.044
(Woman) Oh, you don't know him?
01:16:24.044 --> 01:16:24.739
No.
01:16:24.739 --> 01:16:26.940
(Woman) The book, LA's Secret Police,
01:16:26.940 --> 01:16:28.047
Mike Rothmiller
01:16:28.047 --> 01:16:29.404
(Woman) Is that fairly accurate?
01:16:29.404 --> 01:16:30.659
Yes, I know Mike Rothmiller.
01:16:30.659 --> 01:16:35.449
And what's interesting about that is that
Mike touched on a couple of things.
01:16:35.449 --> 01:16:39.118
LAPD has been heavily, heavily
infiltrated by CIA for a long time.
01:16:39.118 --> 01:16:41.095
Bill Parker, who was a
legendary Chief here,
01:16:41.095 --> 01:16:42.853
hated the FBI.
01:16:42.853 --> 01:16:47.624
And he invited CIA lock, stock, and barrel
to come in to LAPD.
01:16:47.624 --> 01:16:50.746
And there are documented cases
during the Iran-Contra era
01:16:50.746 --> 01:16:53.359
of one detective named Hamilton,
01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:55.395
of Organized Crime Intelligence,
coming off an airplane
01:16:55.395 --> 01:17:01.720
with the Mexico City Chief of Police
Arturo Durazo
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:03.997
-- who was under indictment
for drug corruption --
01:17:03.997 --> 01:17:06.068
from The Bahamas.
01:17:06.068 --> 01:17:08.955
What's an LAPD detective doing with
the Mexico City Chief of Police
01:17:08.955 --> 01:17:10.960
on a flight from The Bahamas?
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:16.194
Daryl Gates made a statement in 1992
01:17:16.194 --> 01:17:19.483
that the only position he would
consider in a second Bush term
01:17:19.483 --> 01:17:22.224
would be Director of Central Intelligence.
01:17:22.224 --> 01:17:26.445
My question for Daryl is: what
are your qualifications?
01:17:26.445 --> 01:17:29.795
Mike Rothmiller's book is good.
01:17:29.795 --> 01:17:31.195
He kind of stopped short
of some other things,
01:17:31.195 --> 01:17:33.403
but he and I have spoken
many, many times.
01:17:33.403 --> 01:17:35.803
So, yes, it's a good book.
01:17:35.803 --> 01:17:44.100
(Man) Yes: I wonder what your opinion is
of the...
01:17:44.100 --> 01:17:46.929
(Man) -- I haven't heard you mention this,
and I'm wondering why --
01:17:46.929 --> 01:17:49.492
(Man) the... kind of pulls the rug out
01:17:49.492 --> 01:17:53.381
(Man) of all the law enforcement agencies
around the country,
01:17:53.381 --> 01:17:57.928
(Man) and has been advocated by the...
01:17:57.928 --> 01:18:09.295
(Man) many judges, and many doctors,
and Jocelyn Elder,
01:18:09.295 --> 01:18:16.045
(Man) and... is... the answer is the
legalization of drugs.
01:18:16.045 --> 01:18:20.160
(Man) And, when... a lot of people here
might not understand:
01:18:20.160 --> 01:18:23.506
(Man) what I mean by this, is that I'm not
advocating the use of drugs;
01:18:23.506 --> 01:18:26.951
(Man) but by the legalization of drugs,
01:18:26.951 --> 01:18:30.396
(Man) we're talking about many solutions
for many problems,
01:18:30.396 --> 01:18:33.843
(Man) in that many people, billions of dollars
01:18:33.843 --> 01:18:39.603
(Man) that are spent chasing down criminals
are freed up,
01:18:39.603 --> 01:18:48.669
(Man) and that many crimes committed
by these so-called druggies
01:18:48.669 --> 01:18:51.410
(Man) aren't committed because
it's legally gotten.
01:18:51.410 --> 01:18:53.091
(Man) I was just wondering what your opinion...
01:18:53.091 --> 01:18:56.778
(Man) I mean, it's just a simple solution
for a whole lot of problems,
01:18:56.778 --> 01:18:58.841
(Man) and I'm hoping everyone here
thinks on this for a while,
01:18:58.841 --> 01:19:01.151
(Man) because it is the awesome
solution for
01:19:01.151 --> 01:19:03.461
(Man) a whole lot of awesome problems.
01:19:03.461 --> 01:19:05.773
(Michael) I have thought about this a lot,
and I will say that as a cop,
01:19:05.773 --> 01:19:13.539
what really makes me feel good
is when I hurt the bad guys.
01:19:13.539 --> 01:19:17.156
I'm sorry, that's the way
I feel in my gut.
01:19:17.156 --> 01:19:24.118
The way we hurt the bootleggers
was to legalize alcohol.
01:19:24.118 --> 01:19:27.212
I do not advocate, necessarily,
legalizing drugs, but
01:19:27.212 --> 01:19:33.398
maybe in certain cases decriminalizing
drugs might be an answer.
01:19:33.398 --> 01:19:40.108
However, we're dealing with
a situation, historically,
01:19:40.108 --> 01:19:46.081
the British in the 1800s established their
whole economy on a trilateral trade:
01:19:46.081 --> 01:19:50.710
growing opium in India, selling it
to the Chinese, getting silk,
01:19:50.710 --> 01:19:54.556
taking it back to Britain,
and making textiles.
01:19:54.556 --> 01:19:58.286
And that set up the cash flow of the
British economy. That's the model.
01:19:58.286 --> 01:20:01.369
The different is, now, that we're
poisoning ourselves.
01:20:01.369 --> 01:20:03.082
Which is really ugly, OK?
01:20:03.082 --> 01:20:04.764
But there was a report
01:20:04.764 --> 01:20:08.078
-- which I have not seen, but several
Congressional staffers who I know...
01:20:08.078 --> 01:20:10.149
and Bob, if he's still here,
probably knows it, too --
01:20:10.149 --> 01:20:14.098
prepared by the House Banking
Committee chaired by Henry Gonzales,
01:20:14.098 --> 01:20:16.984
which said something like if all
the drug money were withdrawn,
01:20:16.984 --> 01:20:21.357
the eight largest banks in the Western
Hemisphere would collapse.
01:20:21.357 --> 01:20:22.390
That would create a depression
01:20:22.390 --> 01:20:25.513
the likes of which this country
has never seen before.
01:20:25.513 --> 01:20:29.968
So we have to use some thought in,
really, how we approach the problem.
01:20:29.968 --> 01:20:31.553
So, anyway...
01:20:31.553 --> 01:20:33.478
(Man) Yes: The problem is not the CIA;
01:20:33.478 --> 01:20:38.085
(Man) The problem is organized crime,
the Democrat and Republican Party,
01:20:38.085 --> 01:20:42.310
(Man) and the real problem is that
we do not have a policy
01:20:42.310 --> 01:20:44.903
(Man) of putting the cocaine cartel
out of business
01:20:44.903 --> 01:20:46.940
(Man) and destroying the cocaine cartel.
01:20:46.940 --> 01:20:49.264
(Man) Instead, you're destroying
the American people.
01:20:49.264 --> 01:20:52.272
(Man) My question is, why aren't you
putting the blame
01:20:52.272 --> 01:20:54.417
(Man) on the Democrat and Republican
Party and organized crime,
01:20:54.417 --> 01:20:56.446
(Man) and why aren't you pointing
out that we have no policy
01:20:56.446 --> 01:20:58.456
(Man) to destroy the cocaine cartel?
01:20:58.456 --> 01:21:03.344
(Man) That's what you should be using
the opportunity Saturday morning for.
01:21:03.344 --> 01:21:05.139
I just was pointing out about a guy
with a phone book
01:21:05.139 --> 01:21:06.702
with Paulie Castellano and all that,
01:21:06.702 --> 01:21:09.621
so I think I was talking about
organized crime. Yes?
01:21:09.621 --> 01:21:14.331
(Woman) Yes. Last night on Peter Ford's
show, you mentioned
01:21:14.331 --> 01:21:18.520
(Woman) that you'd sent the material to
Ross Perot, and he had called you twice,
01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:20.448
(Woman) but I don't know what he said.
01:21:20.448 --> 01:21:22.599
(Woman) Can you elaborate a little more
on that conversation?
01:21:22.599 --> 01:21:25.766
Yeah. And, again, from the
Los Angeles Times,
01:21:25.766 --> 01:21:33.324
This is what I do when I'm around the press.
01:21:33.324 --> 01:21:35.486
I've been published in the
Los Angeles Times.
01:21:35.486 --> 01:21:39.756
I don't say anything unless I have it
right in my hand to back it up.
01:21:39.756 --> 01:21:44.806
The Los Angeles Times ran this story
in 1987, January, about Ross Perot
01:21:44.806 --> 01:21:47.092
backing Richard Armitage into a corner.
01:21:47.092 --> 01:21:51.523
If anybody knows Richard Armitage,
he's 6'4" and benchpresses 430 pounds.
01:21:51.523 --> 01:21:54.413
And this short little floppy-eared Texan
with a big nose
01:21:54.413 --> 01:21:58.221
got him in a hallway in the Pentagon
and backed him into a corner.
01:21:58.221 --> 01:22:02.499
And the issue was CIA dealing drugs,
Armitage's involvement,
01:22:02.499 --> 01:22:05.717
and the POWs connected in Laos
who were left behind.
01:22:05.717 --> 01:22:08.696
(Man) Oh, yeah! (brief applause)
01:22:08.696 --> 01:22:12.303
Ross Perot was sent to go see
Vice-President George Bush.
01:22:12.303 --> 01:22:17.702
And Bush said, "Go see the FBI," and
threw him out of the White House.
01:22:17.702 --> 01:22:22.334
Ross Perot cost Bush the
1992 election, OK?
01:22:22.334 --> 01:22:25.170
Now, I wrote to Ross Perot in 1990,
01:22:25.170 --> 01:22:28.517
and I sent him all the stuff and my
stories and everything,
01:22:28.517 --> 01:22:30.838
and one day the phone rings,
and it goes,
01:22:30.838 --> 01:22:33.042
(Ross Perot Impression): "Mr. Ruppert?
This is Ross Perot. How are yeh?"
01:22:33.042 --> 01:22:35.788
And I'm going, "Jesus!" You know?
01:22:35.788 --> 01:22:37.369
And I just came out of my chair that
it was him. (laughter)
01:22:37.369 --> 01:22:39.939
And said, "I want you to know that I've
read every word that you have sent me,"
01:22:39.939 --> 01:22:43.104
"And no one has pursued this longer
or harder than you have."
01:22:43.104 --> 01:22:46.002
"You should give it up." (laughter)
01:22:46.002 --> 01:22:49.604
He said, "I must know 20 or 30
former military officers"
01:22:49.604 --> 01:22:52.657
"and law enforcement officers who
discovered the same thing,"
01:22:52.657 --> 01:22:54.781
"and they all had their careers ruined,
their lives ruined."
01:22:54.781 --> 01:22:57.637
"They do the same thing to everybody"
01:22:57.637 --> 01:22:59.249
"You'd think they'd try
something different."
01:22:59.249 --> 01:23:00.828
I do a pretty good Ross Perot
after all this time.
01:23:00.828 --> 01:23:07.145
And he said, "But they don't
because it works."
01:23:07.145 --> 01:23:08.864
And then Ross Perot said to me,
01:23:08.864 --> 01:23:11.654
"Mike, even with all of my resources,"
01:23:11.654 --> 01:23:17.375
"I don't know why I pursue it:
I can't get anywhere."
01:23:17.375 --> 01:23:22.497
The answer is people in the street.
01:23:22.497 --> 01:23:27.969
The answer is people standing up
together expressing their will, OK?
01:23:27.969 --> 01:23:29.453
Now, I'll tell you a little secret:
01:23:29.453 --> 01:23:33.398
I was the press spokesman for
the Perot movement in '92
01:23:33.398 --> 01:23:36.094
here in Los Angeles County.
01:23:36.094 --> 01:23:40.543
Now, I've parted ways with Ross just
because of the way he pulled out,
01:23:40.543 --> 01:23:42.584
and I'm not gonna go into that now.
01:23:42.584 --> 01:23:46.373
But what I saw in 1992, we had
a little headquarters
01:23:46.373 --> 01:23:49.031
on Ventura Boulevard in Sherman Oaks.
01:23:49.031 --> 01:23:55.828
We had a list of 15,000 names of people
who wanted to volunteer:
01:23:55.828 --> 01:23:58.644
people who had never voted before
in their lives;
01:23:58.644 --> 01:24:02.068
people who had never held any hope
that there was any way that their voice
01:24:02.068 --> 01:24:03.662
could be heard in this country.
01:24:03.662 --> 01:24:08.301
And what Ross Perot did was to tap
into that wellspring of disconcent
01:24:08.301 --> 01:24:10.995
which is lying just beneath the surface
in this country.
01:24:10.995 --> 01:24:14.695
And that's what we're trying to do with
this rally and with this demonstration.
01:24:14.695 --> 01:24:15.800
It's there.
01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:17.559
We want to reach that critical mass,
01:24:17.559 --> 01:24:19.888
so that the people who know, or suspect,
01:24:19.888 --> 01:24:22.514
or just feel in their gut that something's
wrong will come forward.
01:24:22.514 --> 01:24:26.162
(Man) Mr. Ruppert, I hope that
I'm not going over
01:24:26.162 --> 01:24:29.610
(Man) something that you already
covered; but I came in late tonight.
01:24:29.610 --> 01:24:35.336
(Man) Daryl Gates made a statement
that he was part of the CIA.
01:24:35.336 --> 01:24:42.578
(Man) Did you cover that, or do
you know? And if so, what was his job,
01:24:42.578 --> 01:24:44.523
(Man) or what was he doing?
01:24:44.523 --> 01:24:46.726
In 1962, I believe it was,
01:24:46.726 --> 01:24:49.226
Daryl Gates was Captain of LAPD's
Intelligence Division,
01:24:49.226 --> 01:24:51.538
and there's a well-respected author
named Bill Turner,
01:24:51.538 --> 01:24:54.464
who's a former FBI agent who's
written a number of books.
01:24:54.464 --> 01:24:56.681
And he describes this incident where
a guy named Dennis Mauer (sp)
01:24:56.681 --> 01:25:02.505
was out with a bunch of right-wing paramiltary guys
01:25:02.505 --> 01:25:05.323
in the desert way north of Lancaster.
01:25:05.323 --> 01:25:06.649
And they were throwing
hand grenades around,
01:25:06.649 --> 01:25:08.990
and shooting machine guns,
and having fun.
01:25:08.990 --> 01:25:13.503
And up rose Captain Daryl Gates
of LAPD's Intelligence Division,
01:25:13.503 --> 01:25:17.446
way out of his jurisdiction, and says,
"Knock it off!"
01:25:17.446 --> 01:25:18.811
And they said to Daryl Gates,
"Well, it's OK."
01:25:18.811 --> 01:25:21.475
"CIA told us we could be here.
They gave us the stuff.'
01:25:21.475 --> 01:25:27.245
And he said, "Screw you!"
"I am CIA, and I'm telling you to stop!"
01:25:27.245 --> 01:25:28.818
Well, there was an undercover
Long Beach policeman in that group
01:25:28.818 --> 01:25:30.896
who wrote a report which
made it into the file.
01:25:30.896 --> 01:25:33.342
So that was the answer to that question,.
01:25:33.342 --> 01:25:36.814
(Man) Mr. Ruppert?
01:25:36.814 --> 01:25:37.965
Yes.
01:25:37.965 --> 01:25:41.341
(Man) I wonder if you could comment
on reports that I have heard
01:25:41.341 --> 01:25:44.595
(Man) that a great deal of the money
funding, and indeed creating,
01:25:44.595 --> 01:25:46.712
(Man) National Coalition
to Ban Handguns,
01:25:46.712 --> 01:25:51.053
(Man) Handgun Control, Incorporated,
and various other activist groups
01:25:51.053 --> 01:25:55.582
(Man) and individuals in the
gun-grabbing, anti-Constitutional
01:25:55.582 --> 01:26:01.057
(Man) so-called gun control movement,
actually has its souce
01:26:01.057 --> 01:26:06.064
(Man) in CIA-affiliated and CIA front
organizations,
01:26:06.064 --> 01:26:10.010
(Man) as part of a calculated program
to disarm the American people.
01:26:10.010 --> 01:26:13.142
I have not seen any direct
evidence of that,
01:26:13.142 --> 01:26:15.888
but I fall back on the old line:
01:26:15.888 --> 01:26:17.922
"If it walks like a duck and it
quacks like a duck,"
01:26:17.922 --> 01:26:21.477
"and there's duck feathers everywhere,
then we've probably got a duck."
01:26:21.477 --> 01:26:26.454
One of the things I study a lot is
something called the Hegelian Dialectic,
01:26:26.454 --> 01:26:29.583
which says you create a problem,
01:26:29.583 --> 01:26:32.672
and then you solve the problem,
01:26:32.672 --> 01:26:34.689
and in solving the problem,
you get the end result
01:26:34.689 --> 01:26:37.795
that you were after to begin with.
01:26:37.795 --> 01:26:39.921
(Man) (inaudible)
01:26:39.921 --> 01:26:43.837
Nobody can dispute...
01:26:43.837 --> 01:26:46.814
(Man) (inaudible)
01:26:46.814 --> 01:26:52.555
Nobody can dispute the fact that
we have seen utterly repressive laws,
01:26:52.555 --> 01:26:54.790
especially vis-a-vis asset forfeiture,
01:26:54.790 --> 01:26:57.205
being imposed up on us:
01:26:57.205 --> 01:26:59.690
laws which begin to scare me.
01:26:59.690 --> 01:27:02.518
And I have interviewed a guy
whose father
01:27:02.518 --> 01:27:05.197
was a high-ranking official
in the Abwehr,
01:27:05.197 --> 01:27:10.883
which was Adolph Hitler's intelligence
service, who was... his grandfather.
01:27:10.883 --> 01:27:12.296
And he used to tell his grandson
01:27:12.296 --> 01:27:13.709
-- who is now a very good
friend of mine --
01:27:13.709 --> 01:27:15.122
(German accent) "We didn't lose
the Second World War;"
01:27:15.122 --> 01:27:17.601
"we just changed venues."
01:27:17.601 --> 01:27:21.571
OK? So it's beginning to sound
like that here, yes. (applause)
01:27:21.571 --> 01:27:23.654
(Man) Yes, Mr. Ruppert: you mentioned
earlier that our economy
01:27:23.654 --> 01:27:25.284
(Man) has become hooked on drugs.
01:27:25.284 --> 01:27:28.642
(Man) I wonder to what degree
our major political parties
01:27:28.642 --> 01:27:30.515
(Man) have become hooked as well.
01:27:30.515 --> 01:27:33.410
(Man) How much drug money has flowed
01:27:33.410 --> 01:27:38.648
(Man) into campaign contributions,
do you think?
01:27:38.648 --> 01:27:40.653
Again, I don't have any direct
information on that;
01:27:40.653 --> 01:27:43.117
and I really only answer stuff
that I know directly.
01:27:43.117 --> 01:27:44.479
But there is so much drug money...
01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:46.481
I mean, if you look at what
happened in Mena,
01:27:46.481 --> 01:27:48.422
there are two retired
Army CID investigators,
01:27:48.422 --> 01:27:53.099
of which Gene Wheaton is very public
-- and I known Gene well --
01:27:53.099 --> 01:27:56.270
who estimate the amount of drug
money flowing through Mena
01:27:56.270 --> 01:27:57.694
at $40 million a month,
01:27:57.694 --> 01:28:00.906
and through the Arkansas Development
Financial Authority
01:28:00.906 --> 01:28:03.934
-- which is what made Bill Clinton
a hero in the state of Arkansas.
01:28:03.934 --> 01:28:05.763
So, yeah: it's probably there.
01:28:05.763 --> 01:28:08.522
(Man) Mr. Ruppert, I want to congratulate
you on your courage, sir.
01:28:08.522 --> 01:28:12.823
(Man) And I wanted to ask you if you had
any assistance from Officer Rothmiller
01:28:12.823 --> 01:28:15.418
(Man) who wrote the book LA Secret
Intelligence [sic] Police?
01:28:15.418 --> 01:28:18.392
I just said a few minutes ago:
I know Mike.
01:28:18.392 --> 01:28:20.296
We have spoken many times
over the years.
01:28:20.296 --> 01:28:21.182
(Man) Yes, sir.
01:28:21.182 --> 01:28:22.899
We share a lot of views; his book's
a good book.
01:28:22.899 --> 01:28:26.384
He and I actually worked patrol in
Wilshire Division at the same time.
01:28:26.384 --> 01:28:27.461
So, yeah.
01:28:27.461 --> 01:28:33.311
(Man) Hey, there. I don't know if want
to rub elbows with Tom Hayden,
01:28:33.311 --> 01:28:37.495
(Man) but I'll take it on your world that
it's a good thing, the march.
01:28:37.495 --> 01:28:39.192
(Man) I have one question:
do you know what happened
01:28:39.192 --> 01:28:44.017
(Man) to former CIA director Colby?
He supposedly died mysteriously?
01:28:44.017 --> 01:28:47.939
Well...
01:28:47.939 --> 01:28:48.753
(Man) (xx)
01:28:48.753 --> 01:28:52.773
My attorney called me up the
day they found his body
01:28:52.773 --> 01:28:57.146
and wanted to make sure
I had an alibi. (laughter)
01:28:57.146 --> 01:28:59.978
No, I don't know personally.
I've just received
01:28:59.978 --> 01:29:02.501
an updated copy of
The Franklin Cover-Up,
01:29:02.501 --> 01:29:05.775
which contains some very disturbing
questions about Bill Colby's death.
01:29:05.775 --> 01:29:10.318
But I don't have any direct knowledge;
but who knows?
01:29:10.318 --> 01:29:11.860
(Man) I have two questions.
Your bravery is astounding,
01:29:11.860 --> 01:29:14.232
(Man) the past 20, 25 years
of your investigation.
01:29:14.232 --> 01:29:16.180
(Man) Is your life still in danger today,
01:29:16.180 --> 01:29:18.149
(Man) and is there any contracts
out on your life?
01:29:18.149 --> 01:29:25.336
(Man) And secondly, what is
the whole purpose of the rally,
01:29:25.336 --> 01:29:33.398
(Man) and how are we going to bring
all these people to justice in the end?
01:29:33.398 --> 01:29:37.279
OK. First of all, no, I wouldn't know
if there was a contract out on me.
01:29:37.279 --> 01:29:40.156
I haven't been shot at for a long time.
I'm fairly well-known now,
01:29:40.156 --> 01:29:42.996
and they tend not to kill people
who are fairly well-known.
01:29:42.996 --> 01:29:44.692
The problem is you can
get so well-known
01:29:44.692 --> 01:29:48.128
it doesn't make any difference, too: with
Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy,
01:29:48.128 --> 01:29:49.250
et cetera, et cetera.
01:29:49.250 --> 01:29:52.008
But I'm nowhere near that big yet,
so I think I'm safe for a while.
01:29:52.008 --> 01:29:56.640
As for what we're trying to do
and how we're trying to do it,
01:29:56.640 --> 01:30:02.296
I am relieved of having to answer that
question. Again, what I have come to
01:30:02.296 --> 01:30:05.400
from a spiritual and a constitutional
and an American standpoint,
01:30:05.400 --> 01:30:07.325
is that my job is to do the right thing,
01:30:07.325 --> 01:30:10.138
and to leave the results to a
power greater than myself.
01:30:10.138 --> 01:30:12.785
(applause)
01:30:12.785 --> 01:30:15.695
The only sin that I'm aware of
is not standing up.
01:30:15.695 --> 01:30:20.203
That's the sin that I'm aware of.
Yes, sir.
01:30:20.203 --> 01:30:26.477
(Man) I think it rather paradoxical
that there's enough evidence
01:30:26.477 --> 01:30:29.954
(Man) against Mr. Clinton and
his administration
01:30:29.954 --> 01:30:33.607
(Man) to put most of them in prison.
My question is,
01:30:33.607 --> 01:30:41.480
(Man) how intrusive... has drugs become
part of the operation in Washington, DC
01:30:41.480 --> 01:30:43.776
(Man) amongst the Congressmen,
the Senators?
01:30:43.776 --> 01:30:45.531
(Man) And why is it we don't have
one person
01:30:45.531 --> 01:30:48.400
(Man) who will stand up and initiate
impeachment proceedings
01:30:48.400 --> 01:30:52.339
(Man) on this scum that we
have in the office?
01:30:52.339 --> 01:30:54.760
(Maen) Now, does drugs have
an affect here?
01:30:54.760 --> 01:30:57.637
(Man) And why is it we're not
getting anything done?
01:30:57.637 --> 01:31:00.865
(Man) All investigation and
no prosecution?
01:31:00.865 --> 01:31:05.543
Drugs have an effect everywhere.
01:31:05.543 --> 01:31:09.414
In the Cutolo Watchtower affidavits,
01:31:09.414 --> 01:31:12.020
there's a story of one Congressman
named Larkin Smith
01:31:12.020 --> 01:31:17.690
who tried to stand up; who was looking
into the Tyree murder case.
01:31:17.690 --> 01:31:22.288
He was flying on an investigation when
his plane crashed and he was killed.
01:31:22.288 --> 01:31:25.088
Hale Boggs...
01:31:25.088 --> 01:31:29.051
They kill Congressmen; they can kill
Presidents.
01:31:29.051 --> 01:31:32.658
Maxine Waters walks a fine line.
01:31:32.658 --> 01:31:35.559
She is a Democrat, a member of the
minority party.
01:31:35.559 --> 01:31:38.076
She doesn't chair any committees.
01:31:38.076 --> 01:31:40.630
She is Chairwoman of the
Black Caucus, yes,
01:31:40.630 --> 01:31:45.639
but she alone as a member of Congress
doesn't have the power to stand up.
01:31:45.639 --> 01:31:48.264
I'm gonna make it very clear
in my speech Saturday
01:31:48.264 --> 01:31:52.343
that where the people lead,
Congress will follow.
01:31:52.343 --> 01:31:54.582
We have got the cart before the horse.
01:31:54.582 --> 01:31:56.323
We can't expect anybody to do for us
01:31:56.323 --> 01:32:01.962
what we will not demand that
they do by ourselves, OK?
01:32:01.962 --> 01:32:04.898
We have to stand up together.
Congress ain't gonna listen until we do.
01:32:04.898 --> 01:32:05.849
Yes, ma'am.
01:32:05.849 --> 01:32:07.860
(Woman) Yes, thank you very much,
Mr. Ruppert.
01:32:07.860 --> 01:32:15.218
(Woman) It is very clear to me that you're
a very holy man, and you are totally
01:32:15.218 --> 01:32:18.771
(Woman) surrounded and protected
by the love of God wherever you go.
01:32:18.771 --> 01:32:20.553
(Woman) And I particularly like the
way you said,
01:32:20.553 --> 01:32:23.389
(Woman) "Do you ever get a feeling that
God is following you with this stuff?"
01:32:23.389 --> 01:32:26.129
(Woman) I love it. Thank you very much.
I do have a question:
01:32:26.129 --> 01:32:34.740
(Woman) It's very clear to me that it's
AAA: All About Addiction.
01:32:34.740 --> 01:32:38.011
(Woman) There's no easier way
-- is there? -- to control people
01:32:38.011 --> 01:32:43.885
(Woman) than to get them addicted.
Now, whether it's called legal drugs,
01:32:43.885 --> 01:32:48.455
(Woman) or illegal drugs, a drug
is a drug is a drug.
01:32:48.455 --> 01:32:53.911
(Woman) I would like to know if you
know how far and to what involvement
01:32:53.911 --> 01:32:59.392
(Woman) the American Medical
Association is involved in this.
01:32:59.392 --> 01:33:00.946
(Woman) Thank you.
01:33:00.946 --> 01:33:06.272
I sometimes feel like I would have to be
God to answer some of these questions.
01:33:06.272 --> 01:33:12.589
(laughter)
01:33:12.589 --> 01:33:18.539
Let me put it this way: we have all heard
stories about a dysfunctional family,
01:33:18.539 --> 01:33:24.183
where a father is molesting
a young daughter.
01:33:24.183 --> 01:33:25.987
And there are other children in the
family, and there's a wife.
01:33:25.987 --> 01:33:27.578
And we look at these tragedies,
01:33:27.578 --> 01:33:30.826
and we see how the wife ignores
what's going on,
01:33:30.826 --> 01:33:34.551
and the other children ignore
what's going on:
01:33:34.551 --> 01:33:37.268
for the sake of maintaining
the family image;
01:33:37.268 --> 01:33:38.737
for the sake of looking good;
01:33:38.737 --> 01:33:43.022
out of the fear that if they expose
what's going on,
01:33:43.022 --> 01:33:45.068
the father will turn his rage
against them.
01:33:45.068 --> 01:33:47.633
And that's a dysfunctional family.
01:33:47.633 --> 01:33:49.764
This country is in that state of denial.
01:33:49.764 --> 01:33:54.581
Every aspect of this country is
affected by this crisis.
01:33:54.581 --> 01:33:59.094
Let me define it to you this way
-- and I'll be real brief with this --
01:33:59.094 --> 01:34:04.942
Could the President of the United States,
the Executive Branch,
01:34:04.942 --> 01:34:08.574
-- which, theoretically, is empowered
over the CIA --
01:34:08.574 --> 01:34:14.337
have permitted the Agency to deal drugs
to American citizens?
01:34:14.337 --> 01:34:17.269
Or, could it have happened
without him knowing about it?
01:34:17.269 --> 01:34:21.418
Either way, you have just defined the
greatest crisis -- Constitutional crisis --
01:34:21.418 --> 01:34:23.985
in American history
since the Civil War;
01:34:23.985 --> 01:34:27.529
and solving it is going to take
that kind of upheaval.
01:34:27.529 --> 01:34:32.443
Leadership in this will have to show
that we can do this non-violently,
01:34:32.443 --> 01:34:34.699
in a healthy way, in the American spirit.
01:34:34.699 --> 01:34:38.979
Not in the German spirit, not in the
Russian spirit, not in the Chinese spirit;
01:34:38.979 --> 01:34:40.764
but in the American spirit.
01:34:40.764 --> 01:34:42.800
(Woman) Yes, I appreciate that remark.
01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:47.850
(Woman) I would like to have us all
remember that what, I believe,
01:34:47.850 --> 01:34:54.411
(Woman) you have described this
evening is not a man-made battle,
01:34:54.411 --> 01:34:59.702
(Woman) but we are wrestling against
principalities and powers in high places,
01:34:59.702 --> 01:35:03.077
(Woman) and basically that
is a spiritual problem.
01:35:03.077 --> 01:35:06.236
(Woman) And we're not going to go out
here as a group of people
01:35:06.236 --> 01:35:09.201
(Woman) and conquer this in our own
strength.
01:35:09.201 --> 01:35:12.216
(Woman) It'll be like David putting
on Saul's armor:
01:35:12.216 --> 01:35:15.321
(Woman) It doesn't fit.
It only weighs us down.
01:35:15.321 --> 01:35:18.144
(Woman) But I believe it's in
1 Chronicles where it tells us,
01:35:18.144 --> 01:35:24.430
(Woman) "If my people, who are called
by my name, will humble themselves"
01:35:24.430 --> 01:35:28.691
(Woman) "and pray, and turn
from their wicked ways,"
01:35:28.691 --> 01:35:34.116
(Woman) "then will we hear from
Heaven, and I will heal their land"
01:35:34.116 --> 01:35:36.233
(Woman) And that's what we've
got to come back to.
01:35:36.233 --> 01:35:38.540
(Woman) We're kidding ourselves
here, sitting here thinking...
01:35:38.540 --> 01:35:43.197
(Woman) -- I appreciate the rally,
and I support it wholeheartedly --
01:35:43.197 --> 01:35:46.586
(Woman) but as a group,
we're kidding ourselves
01:35:46.586 --> 01:35:50.654
(Woman) if we think we're going to go
out and do this in our own strength.
01:35:50.654 --> 01:35:54.343
(Woman) Only history will be repeated
again and again,
01:35:54.343 --> 01:35:57.217
(Woman) But it's as we turn to
the Lord Jesus Christ
01:35:57.217 --> 01:35:58.808
(Woman) and let Him operate
through our lives,
01:35:58.808 --> 01:36:03.913
(Woman) and then put our hand
to the plow, we will conquer.
01:36:05.177 --> 01:36:07.911
And my fervent hope and response to that:
01:36:07.911 --> 01:36:13.590
"Where two or more are gathered in His
name, He is also there." (applause)
01:36:13.590 --> 01:36:15.222
What if 10 or 15 thousand are gathered,
01:36:15.222 --> 01:36:21.750
and many of those gather
in His name, too? (applause) Yes.
01:36:21.750 --> 01:36:25.563
(Man) I very much appreciate
that comment. I did want to...
01:36:25.563 --> 01:36:31.049
(Man) You mentioned earlier about (xx),
which we've all been most familiar with.
01:36:31.049 --> 01:36:37.908
(Man) As far as my understanding goes,
ten investigations have begun,
01:36:37.908 --> 01:36:43.221
(Man) and I guess the tenth one
is in some way going on now.
01:36:43.221 --> 01:36:51.471
(Man) But what has caused these
all to end, and the information
01:36:51.471 --> 01:36:54.786
(Man) -- the myriad of tons of information
that have been gathered --
01:36:54.786 --> 01:37:00.202
(Man) to not result in any
meaningful action?
01:37:00.202 --> 01:37:06.524
The way this country works is that unless
it shows up in The Washington Post,
01:37:06.524 --> 01:37:10.550
The New York Times, The Los Angeles
Times, Time, or Newsweek,
01:37:10.550 --> 01:37:13.596
officially, it doesn't exist.
01:37:13.596 --> 01:37:17.643
And there can be investigations
until the cows come home.
01:37:17.643 --> 01:37:20.692
And the information is out there.
We have it.
01:37:20.692 --> 01:37:24.180
I have, it, everybody else has it.
Dozens of other witnesses have it.
01:37:24.180 --> 01:37:26.319
Gene Wheaton has it;
Terry Reed has it. (sp)
01:37:26.319 --> 01:37:30.237
I've spoken to Terry several times,
OK? The point is that
01:37:30.237 --> 01:37:33.460
we have to make something happen
in the collective consciousness
01:37:33.460 --> 01:37:36.118
to get it out to the point where
somebody admits it openly.
01:37:36.118 --> 01:37:41.383
(Man) Mike, just one moment on that.
You know that we know two boys,
01:37:41.383 --> 01:37:44.614
(Man) we know two young teenage,
nnocent boys were killed,
01:37:44.614 --> 01:37:48.040
(Man) and we know a number of other
people relating to that same...
01:37:48.040 --> 01:37:50.790
(Man) those deaths, were also killed.
01:37:50.790 --> 01:37:56.099
(Man) And we do know that enough
information is extant to make a case.
01:37:56.099 --> 01:37:59.669
(Man) It seems to me that a rifle shot
has to be fired
01:37:59.669 --> 01:38:02.954
(Man) in order to break through this wall.
01:38:02.954 --> 01:38:06.992
(Man) instead of these little hammers
banging away,
01:38:06.992 --> 01:38:12.871
(Man) some focal point has
to be singled out.
01:38:12.871 --> 01:38:18.821
(Man) And just hammer it through
till it breaks the dam, because...
01:38:18.821 --> 01:38:20.731
You raise a beautiful point.
01:38:20.731 --> 01:38:22.389
Mike wants to say something in a second,
01:38:22.389 --> 01:38:24.777
but let me talk to that point
for a second.
01:38:24.777 --> 01:38:29.710
I have met... all over the years, I have
met people who are angry with the IRS,
01:38:29.710 --> 01:38:32.485
and I have met people who
are angry over many,
01:38:32.485 --> 01:38:36.645
many different righteous,
justified causes,
01:38:36.645 --> 01:38:39.810
but they have been a Tower of Babel
01:38:39.810 --> 01:38:44.122
As I view this from a political
standpoint alone,
01:38:44.122 --> 01:38:48.646
I see the single issue of CIA and drugs
01:38:48.646 --> 01:38:53.200
as being the one single issue
which can crack the armor.
01:38:53.200 --> 01:38:58.160
And when will the armor crack? The
armor will crack when a farmer in Iowa,
01:38:58.160 --> 01:39:02.775
and somebody in Saint Louis,
and Wisconsin, and Colorado
01:39:02.775 --> 01:39:07.020
who's Middle America wakes up
and catches on to this:
01:39:07.020 --> 01:39:08.846
that's when the armor will crack.
01:39:08.846 --> 01:39:09.869
And as far as I'm concerned
01:39:09.869 --> 01:39:11.564
-- and I have many opinions about
many other issues --
01:39:11.564 --> 01:39:14.587
publicly, I speak only about
CIA and drugs;
01:39:14.587 --> 01:39:18.200
because that's the one where I
think we've got a chance to win.
01:39:18.200 --> 01:39:20.943
Mike wants to say something.
01:39:20.943 --> 01:39:22.935
(Mike) Yeah, I wanted to briefly
say exactly that:
01:39:22.935 --> 01:39:26.756
(Mike) The people talking about the
Republican and the Democratic parties,
01:39:26.756 --> 01:39:29.769
(Mike) and one of the things they always
talk about is wedge issues,
01:39:29.769 --> 01:39:32.075
(Mike) and they always want to try
to drive a wedge.
01:39:32.075 --> 01:39:34.202
(Mike) They want to drive a wedge
between Blacks and Whites;
01:39:34.202 --> 01:39:36.851
(Mike) They want to drive a wedge
between Latinos and Whites,
01:39:36.851 --> 01:39:39.764
(Mike) Between Blacks and Latinos:
They're constantly looking for issues
01:39:39.764 --> 01:39:42.170
(Mike) on the theory of divide
and conquer.
01:39:42.170 --> 01:39:44.072
(Mike) And when they mean conquer,
that's what they want to do.
01:39:44.072 --> 01:39:46.360
(Mike) They're not just talking
in figurative terms.
01:39:46.360 --> 01:39:48.310
(Mike) And we're looking
for some cement.
01:39:48.310 --> 01:39:52.863
(Mike) We're looing for things that are
going to wedge us together, in a way.
01:39:52.863 --> 01:39:55.791
(Mike) And we're looking at this,
as we say, "Crack the CIA,"
01:39:55.791 --> 01:39:58.944
(Mike) we want to find something that
is going to affect the conscience
01:39:58.944 --> 01:40:03.327
(Mike) and the consciousness of many,
many people to see our commonality
01:40:03.327 --> 01:40:04.760
(Mike) and our common struggle.
01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:06.600
(Mike) And I want to respond to what...
01:40:06.600 --> 01:40:09.372
(Man) Why don't you want to destroy
the cocaine cartels?
01:40:09.372 --> 01:40:12.182
(Mike) We want to destroy not only
the cocaine cartels,
01:40:12.182 --> 01:40:15.072
(Mike) But we're saying this is much
bigger than the problem of cocaine.
01:40:15.072 --> 01:40:16.835
(Mike) This is a systematic...
in other words:
01:40:16.835 --> 01:40:18.755
(Mike) before there was cocaine,
there was heroin.
01:40:18.755 --> 01:40:21.311
(Mike) Before there was heroin,
there was opium.
01:40:21.311 --> 01:40:24.369
(Mike) Before there was opium,
they were selling liquor to the Indians.
01:40:24.369 --> 01:40:31.125
(Mike) Before... they traded slaves for
tobacco and addicted people.
01:40:31.125 --> 01:40:34.632
(Mike) This is going back half
a millennium and longer.
01:40:34.632 --> 01:40:37.477
(Mike) I just want to say that one
of the things about this coalition
01:40:37.477 --> 01:40:41.354
(Mike) that I think will distinguish it
is that we are not actually trying
01:40:41.354 --> 01:40:43.081
(Mike) to get the government to do
anything about this,
01:40:43.081 --> 01:40:45.490
(Mike) because we understand
that they are problem.
01:40:45.490 --> 01:40:48.205
(Mike) We are trying to affect ourselves.
01:40:48.205 --> 01:40:51.517
(Mike) We're hooked into the
recovery movement.
01:40:51.517 --> 01:40:55.501
(Mike) It's not only one person who says
"I'm an addict," alcohlic, whatever,
01:40:55.501 --> 01:40:57.937
(Mike) But there are many people
in the Black community:
01:40:57.937 --> 01:41:02.704
(Mike) groups called "Mad Dads":
many, many people who are saying
01:41:02.704 --> 01:41:05.648
(Mike) we have to take the responsibility
to transform ourselves,
01:41:05.648 --> 01:41:08.944
(Mike) and by doing that we will transform
this government and society.
01:41:08.944 --> 01:41:11.242
(Mike) We're not expecting them
to solve this problem for us.
01:41:11.242 --> 01:41:21.548
(Man) Michael, I'd like to thank you,
first, for coming this evening.
01:41:21.548 --> 01:41:24.460
(Man) Standing up, saying what
you've said. I respect you.
01:41:24.460 --> 01:41:28.346
(Man) I appreciate your being here
this evening and what you've said.
01:41:28.346 --> 01:41:29.370
Thank you.
01:41:29.370 --> 01:41:34.471
(Man) I have a brief observation myself,
and I'd like to get your reponse to it.
01:41:34.471 --> 01:41:39.727
(Man) And the observation is that
Thomas Jefferson said
01:41:39.727 --> 01:41:44.106
(Man) that we need a revolution
every 20 years.
01:41:44.106 --> 01:41:46.988
(Man) The last time the people
of this country stood up
01:41:46.988 --> 01:41:49.775
(Man) and told the government,
"Enough is enough"
01:41:49.775 --> 01:41:56.375
(Man) was 25 years ago when we
told 'em we'd had enough of Vietnam.
01:41:56.375 --> 01:42:02.029
(Man) And I think it's time for the people
in this country to stand up and say:
01:42:02.029 --> 01:42:07.045
(Man) "Enough is enough,
and we've had it."
01:42:07.045 --> 01:42:09.897
(Man) And if that's a revolution,
and we can do it peaceably,
01:42:09.897 --> 01:42:15.268
(Man) In the streets like we did
25 years ago, but peaceably,
01:42:15.268 --> 01:42:20.459
(Man) Then I'm 100% behind it, and I
think it's an idea whose time has come,
01:42:20.459 --> 01:42:23.476
(Man) and there's nothing that's going
to stop it.
01:42:23.476 --> 01:42:27.573
(Man) And I'm very glad that you're doing
that you're doing, because we need it.
01:42:27.573 --> 01:42:29.149
(applause)
01:42:29.149 --> 01:42:30.160
Thank you.
01:42:30.160 --> 01:42:31.606
(Man) Your response, anybody else's
response.
01:42:31.606 --> 01:42:34.831
All I can say to that is "ditto."
01:42:34.831 --> 01:42:37.714
(Man) Yeah: I just want to make a
comment that I think that rally
01:42:37.714 --> 01:42:42.622
(Man) will be real important to this
neighborhood in showing,
01:42:42.622 --> 01:42:45.200
(Man) in bringing it out to light to
the average public
01:42:45.200 --> 01:42:48.818
(Man) how you aren't just hurting
yourself when you use drugs,
01:42:48.818 --> 01:42:50.225
(Man) but you're hurting your country.
01:42:50.225 --> 01:42:55.157
(Man) And it's OK if people want to
hurt themselves, but when you realize
01:42:55.157 --> 01:42:57.195
(Man) and when people who are out
there using realize
01:42:57.195 --> 01:43:00.948
(Man) that it's actually hurting their
country, and their country's behind it,
01:43:00.948 --> 01:43:03.095
(Man) and you're sponsoring something
01:43:03.095 --> 01:43:06.255
(Man) that's gonna break your
livelihood apart, and other people's,
01:43:06.255 --> 01:43:10.877
(Man) I think it's gonna bring a lot
of light to the neighborhood, so thanks.
01:43:10.877 --> 01:43:13.295
I think you're right.
01:43:13.295 --> 01:43:16.356
(Man) ...last question...
01:43:16.356 --> 01:43:22.829
(Man) Yes. Unless you demand that the
government destroy the cocaine cartel
01:43:22.829 --> 01:43:24.884
(Man) and organized crime who have done
01:43:24.884 --> 01:43:26.440
(Man) all this damage to the
American people,
01:43:26.440 --> 01:43:28.354
(Man) you're not gonna get the
American people behind you.
01:43:28.354 --> 01:43:29.680
(Man) You're not gonna get
American justice.
01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:33.286
(Man) My question is, why aren't you...
why don't you have a plan
01:43:33.286 --> 01:43:35.356
(Man) to destroy the cocaine cartels,
01:43:35.356 --> 01:43:37.889
(Man) and why don't you want
to make the government do that?
01:43:37.889 --> 01:43:39.373
(different man) This is the plan!
01:43:39.373 --> 01:43:41.355
(Man) No, I want him to answer
this question.
01:43:41.355 --> 01:43:42.402
We have to fix the government first.
01:43:42.402 --> 01:43:44.134
We can't get a government that
doesn't respond to us
01:43:44.134 --> 01:43:46.394
to do anything in our interest until
we fix the government.
01:43:46.394 --> 01:43:48.063
(Man) If you're gonna be there
tomorrow morning,
01:43:48.063 --> 01:43:51.067
(Man) why don't you make that
demand in front of the press,
01:43:51.067 --> 01:43:53.555
(Man) and for the press to print,
saying,
01:43:53.555 --> 01:43:56.244
(Man) "Why isn't the government
destroying the cocaine cartels?"
01:43:56.244 --> 01:43:58.139
(Another Man) Because they
are the cartel!
01:43:58.139 --> 01:43:59.927
(Host) It's nice to have a spirited group,
and on behalf of the forum,
01:43:59.927 --> 01:44:03.609
(Host) we want to thank Mike Ruppert
or an interesting talk.
01:44:03.609 --> 01:44:07.621
(Host) Please bear with us. Looking
forward to having you come back.
01:44:07.621 --> 01:44:10.333
(Host) I do hope you do. Thank you
very much, appreciate it.
01:44:10.333 --> 01:44:15.367
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01:44:15.367 --> 01:44:44.880
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Rest in peace, Mike.