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(Host) Good evening. Welcome to the
Grenada Forum,
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an organization dedicated to the truth.
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At the end of the program,
our speaker's presentation,
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there'll be a question-and-answer
program without restriction.
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Feel free to ask any question.
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That's the true meaning of
freedom of speech.
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Even the press is invited to ask
questions, if any of them are here.
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As children, we are taught of
a word called character.
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As adults, we seldom run into
those with it. (laughter)
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Leastwise in the media or
nside the Beltway.
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It takes character to stand alone
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and, like David, challence Goliath.
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Like Terry Reed of Compromised,
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Like Gary Aldrich of Unlimited Access,
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like Chris Ruddy of Death of Vince Foster,
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like Ambrose Pritchard of
The London Daily Telegraph.
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We have men of character in our own midst.
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They seldom are forced into the limelight
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until the conduct of others that betray
their public trust force the issue.
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The fabric of our society has been torn
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by some that have an agenda
and have suppressed it.
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On November 15th of 1996,
just three months ago,
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a dedicated true patriot stood his ground
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and did what we call... what we can appreciate.
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Picture in your mind's eye
CIA Director John Deutch
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on a propaganda mission to Los Angeles
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to calm the waters as a result of article
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that appeared in the
San Jose Mercury News.
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He was hosted by Congresswoman
Juanita McDonalds.
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Without blinking an eye,
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our speaker said,
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"I am a former Los Angeles
Police Narcotics Detective,"
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"And I can tell you that the Agency"
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"has been dealing in drugs in
this country for a long time."
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It is my distinct pleasure and honor
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to greet in the behalf
of the Granada Forum
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and introduce a man who deserves
our respect and attention.
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Please welcome Mr. Michael Ruppert.(applause)
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(Michael) Thank you.
Thank you very much.
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I guess the first thank you
I'd like to give tonight
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is to someone who's not here:
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Mr. Peter Ford of KIAV Radio,
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who introduced me to you all,
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and who made it possible for me
to be here tonight.
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I did a show last night
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from midnight to 2:00,
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and it was a wonderful experience.
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And if what we do tonight is
anything like that,
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I think we're all gonna have a lot of fun.
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I would also like to thank Anne,
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who was very kind to make
arrangements for me tonight.
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In 19 years, this is the first chance,
believe it or not, that I have had
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to address an assembled group of
people on one issue
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and to teach what I know,
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to share my experiences.
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I've done it in snippets;
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I've done it on radio talk shows;
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but never with the opportunity to lay
out some evidence and make a case.
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And I'm very grateful for that:
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it was a long wait.
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And I am here tonight in two capacities.
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If there's any lawyers in the room,
I'll pray for you but... (laughter)
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You know that in a court of law,
they talk about evidence.
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And one of the first kinds,
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and actually the most preferred
kind of direct evidence
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is witness testimony.
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And all over the major media
and in Congress,
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you hear statements that there is
no evidence that CIA deals drugs.
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Well, a wittnss can raise his hand
under oath in court,
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and that becomes evidence when
he tells his story.
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And I have evidence to give you
from my own experience.
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I am also here as a detective,
if you will,
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although I have not carried a bad for...
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since November 30th, 1978,
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I consider myself to have been a detective
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working on one case for all these years.
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And so I'm going to present to you
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some of that evidence tonight.
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I want to start by giving you just
a little historical background;
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and you'll see all these books
on the table here.
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And I don't know if they're
in frame or not;
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they're probably not.
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But you'll see The Big White Lie
by Michael Levine
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who is a former DEA Station Chief
-- or country attaché, they call it --
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from Argentina.
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He was present in Argentina
in 1980
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when the Central Intelligence Agency
installed [in Bolivia] the government
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of Luis García Meza,
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who was a cocaine lord,
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and gave him the whole country.
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And that was done in conjunction
with the Argentine military.
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García Meza's Chief of Security
was Klaus Barbie,
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the Butcher of Lyons.
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So there was heavy Nazi infiltration
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into the Argentinean military.
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Mike Levine was there.
He documented it; he protested it;
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and of course it fell into this black hole
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that those of us in law enforcement
know so well.
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The next book that you see there
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is written by the only man
that I'm aware of
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who's been at this longer
than I have.
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And I'm gonna hold this one up.
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It's called The Politics of Heroin.
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It was originally called The Politics
of Heroin in Southeast Asia,
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by Professor Alfred McCoy.
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Published first in 1972.
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That's 25 years ago, OK?
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It is a Bible for those of us who do this.
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When we talk about names, dates, places:
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the names, the dates, and the places
are in here.
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Now, again, if there's any lawyers
in here,
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lawyers love to sue people, OK?
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Why is it that this book has
never been sued?
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There's a saying in the law:
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"The truth is an absolute defense
against libel."
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OK?
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This is one of our major Bibles.
It's in here.
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It was recently revised and updated
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to include all kinds of information
on Iran-Contra, OK?
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The next book that I want to show you...
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actually, there are two, both written
by the same authors.
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And these two men, I know both of them.
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They're both brilliant men.
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Professor Peter Dale Scott is a Professor
of English, believe it or not,
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at UC-Berkeley.
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He got into this many years ago,
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and he had a Ph.D,
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and he is a dedicated researcher.
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His co-writer, Jonathan Marshall, is a...
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About as rare as a good lawyer,
he's a good reporter.
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He works for the San Francisco Chronicle.
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He's an award-winning journalist.
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Neither one of these two books,
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which name names, dates, places, times,
quantities, relationships, documents
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have ever been sued. Ever. OK?
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So when Jack Blum,
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who was Chief Counsel for this Kerry
Committee during the Iran-Contra era,
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recently testified to your friend
and mine Arlen Spector,
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he said, "We don't need to go out
and investigate: we know."
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What he was alluding to,
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is what is contained specifically
in this book,
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which is all about Iran-Contra.
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Names, dates, places, computer logs:
everything, it's all in here, OK?
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We already know. We don't have
to investigate.
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We know the CIA deals drugs.
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And of course the Los Angeles Times
completely omitted
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any reference to Jack Blum's testimony
in their stories.
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These two books will give you
anything you need to refute...
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you could take Oliver North apart
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with about ten pages from this book alone,
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and bury him. OK?
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The last book that I wanted to show you,
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it's almost impossible to get
in this country.
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I wonder why?
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You can get it in Canada.
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Written by my dear friend
Celerino Castillo.
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Cele was a DEA agent.
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He's a decorated Vietnam vet
who served first in Peru,
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and then in the Iran-Contra era
he served in Central America.
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He served in Honduras and Salvador
and Guatemala;
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and he was at Ilopango Airport,
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which was the major Contra supply
airport in El Salvador
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for the northern front of the
Contra war effort.
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And he describes in this, at the airport,
two hangars:
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Hangar Four and Hangar Five.
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Now, he's got the records.
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Hangar Four was the CIA hangar;
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Hangar Five was the NSC hangar:
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Both controlled by Oliver North.
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He recorded tail numbers;
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he watched the cocaine being loaded;
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he talked to the pilots;
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he got the flight plans;
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he watched as the planes
were given gratis entry
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across the border in the United States.
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He wrote reports.
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And what happened was
Ambassador Edwin Corr
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-- who is now teaching at the
University of Oklahoma at Norman --
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came to Cele and said, "Leave it alone,
bud. It's a White House operation."
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That's evidence. That's a clue.
(laughter)
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Cele had this wonderful experience
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of going to a formal dinner at
the US Embassy in El Salvador.
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And the guest of honor that night
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was Vice-President George
Herbert Walker Bush.
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(audience: "Ooh!")
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So Cele was there, and Bush was there,
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and they bring Bush over to Cele,
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and, "Mr. Vice-President, this is Celerino
Castillo, our senior DEA agent."
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and: "How do you do?" -- Mr. Bush --
"You're a hero to the country."
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Cele said, "Mr. Vice-President:
I've gotta talk to you!"
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"There's something really
wrong going on here!"
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"They're flying drugs out of four and five,
and CIA's behind it!"
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And George Bush said,
"Nice to meet ya,"
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And walked away, you know.
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Don't let anybody tell you
there is no evidence.
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There is a mountain of evidence
already in existence, OK?
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It is irrefutable; it is iron-clad.
All right?
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Now, given that, I want to paint
a little picture for you.
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I want to go back historically,
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because my own experience is going
to add a little dimension to this for you.
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Picture that I have a blackboard behind me
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-- which I don't, OK? --
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But say there's a blackboard
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and we're gonna say that right here
is Southeast Asia,
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and right here is the United States,
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and right here is South America,
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and over here is the Middle East, OK?
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Somebody was talking earlier about
organized crime and CIA.
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And of course, my opinion is CIA is
organized crime. (laughter)
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In the Second World War,
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some deals were made between
the Office of Strategic Services
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and the Mafia in New Orleans.
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We were afraid of Nazi sabotage,
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so we took a guy named Lucky Luciano
out of prison in New York.
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And he guaranteed that there would be
no sabotage on the docks in New York.
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We took a guy named Vito Genovese
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-- I like that: (exaggerated, languorous
Italian accent) Vito Genovese
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And we let him to back to Sicily
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so spy on it so we could go and invade
Sicily when Patton went in there.
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Of course, they went right back
into the drug business.
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They went right back into
their operations.
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The bond is very, very close.
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Stop there: fast-forward to 1954.
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1954: Diên Biên Phu.
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The French were kicked out
of Indochina.
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Now, almost everybody knows that
the Golden Triangle in Indochina
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is where most of the world's heroin
has come from for a long time.
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It is the largest opium-growing
region in the world.
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There are several others.
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The French, in order to sustain their war,
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had been paying the local tribesmen,
the Hmong tribesmen,
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and Kuomintang
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-- the Chinese who were
kicked out of China --
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with opium: which was a long holdover
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from the British opium trade
from the 18th Century.
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When the French went out,
we filled that void,
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and we went some people to Indochina.
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Their names were Aderholt, Singlaub...
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-- does that ring a bell to anybody? --
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there was also a guy by the name
of Paul Helliwell,
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and there was a guy by the name
of Richard Stillwell,
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and these are the people that we
sent into Southeast Asia, CIA,
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to take over where the French left.
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Extremely well-documented.
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And one of the first things
John Singlaub did,
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and one of the first things
Paul Helliwell did,
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was to take over the payment
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of Kuomintang and other
rebels with heroin.
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It was just the way you did business.
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As we moved closer to the Vietnam era,
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that trade began to expand
253
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because of the relationship
between CIA and the Mafia.
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As we get to the Vietnam War...
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now, again, picture I'm drawing on the
board up here some other names.
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If we fast-forward to the Vietnam era,
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I'm gonna write some other
names in Southeast Asia:
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Theodore Shackley: Station Chief
in Laos; later, Station Chief in Saigon.
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Richard Secord: anybody ever
hear that name? (laughter) Nah.
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Richard Armitage: anybody
ever hear that name?
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Eric von Marbod: anybody
ever hear that name?
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OK. von Marbod was in the military at
the time, Department of Defense.
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They all worked extremely
closely together.
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Tom Clines is another one who was
Ted Shackley's deputy in Laos.
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Extremely well-documented.
266
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There are still living witnesses.
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There are Air America pilots still alive
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who later became involved in Iran-Contra,
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that we ran the whole war in Laos...
270
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-- which was completely without, outside
of Congressional oversight --
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with heroin.
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We've all heard the stories about heroin
273
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coming back in body cavities
in the dead GIs.
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Air America: Air Heroin, OK?
The black planes.
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In the last 19 years, I have spoken
to more than a dozen members
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-- former members --
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of the US Army Special Forces,
the Green Berets,
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who were sometimes ordered
to carry the heroin by CIA.
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We ran this whole war there
on heroin money.
280
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That heroin money did not
just pay for the war:
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it paid for a lot of other things.
282
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Now, what happened is...
283
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-- and the picture I want
to paint to you is --
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I don't know if anyone here is familiar
with the disease of alcoholism? OK?
285
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I happen to be an alcoholic.
286
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I'm sober 14 years, OK?
So I know a little bit about it. (applause)
287
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And what happens is that it's
a progressive disease.
288
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One is too many, and ten thousand
is not enough.
289
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Once you take a little,
you have to take more,
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and there's no way to stop
until you crash and burn,
291
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until you eventually burn yourself out.
292
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What happened in Vietnam
was that by 1970,
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the heroin trade had spilled over,
294
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and we were selling it to our own GIs.
295
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One third of the GIs in Vietnam were
addicted to heroin when they came back.
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OK? They were smoking it or tootin' it.
297
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They'd get what's called
a stomach jones, OK?
298
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So, that war continued, I think,
299
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until the military-industrial complex
kind of milked it for all it was worth,
300
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and until White Middle America
took to the streets.
301
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OK?
302
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1975, it ended.
303
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Now I'm gonna tell you about my story,
304
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because this is where I come
into the picture.
305
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I come from a CIA family.
306
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I was born in Washington, DC.
307
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My father was an Air Force officer;
he worked for Martin-Marietta
308
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building the Titan IIICs which
put up the Keyhole Spy Satellites.
309
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My father's cousin Barbara was CIA;
310
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her husband Sam had been OSS,
even before CIA.
311
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They both did 25, 30 years and
retired from the Agency.
312
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My mother had been Army Intelligence
313
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working in the code-breaking section
in the Pentagon
314
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during the Second World War.
315
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So I come from a family of spooks,
316
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and I will tell you: it was a
dysfunctional family. (laughter)
317
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I was an honors student; I am an honors
graduate in Political Science from UCLA.
318
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I went there from '69 to '73,
319
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and I was one of two living Republicans
320
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on the UCLA campus during
those years. (laughter)
321
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The other one was a guy by
the name of Craig Fuller.
322
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Now, I was chosen to intern
for Chief Ed David as LAPD,
323
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having been groomed and
having already been spotted
324
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as part of -- what? -- the Establishment?
The in-crowd? An up-and-comer.
325
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Craig was chosen to intern
for Governor Ronald Reagan.
326
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Craig was George Bush's Chief of Staff
during Iran-Contra.
327
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As I was chosen to intern for Chief Davis,
I began...
328
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I was exposed to people
from Army Intelligence
329
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and an operation known as Garden Plot.
330
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I was told that I had a Q Clearance
when I was 20 years old,
331
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and I had to go home and ask my father
what the hell a Q Clearance was:
332
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I didn't know!
333
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In the Organized Crime
Intelligence Division,
334
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I got exposed to one guy in particular
335
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by the name of John Xavier Bach,
336
00:17:33,426 --> 00:17:38,137
and I was told that he had... or, he
was a CIA-connected guy in LAPD.
337
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Well, it gets to where I'm just about ready
to graduate from UCLA in 1973.
338
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I'm magna cum laude,
and the world is my oyster.
339
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I had interned for LAPD for three years.
340
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My family buys me a plane ticket;
341
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I go back to Washington, DC,
342
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and I go for an interview with the CIA
343
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in the old Executive Office Building.
344
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And here's this guy behind this desk
345
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with this huge CIA emblem
on the wall behind him.
346
00:18:01,754 --> 00:18:04,187
And he says, "Mike, I've looked
at all your stuff."
347
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"You're just a wonderful kid."
348
00:18:05,565 --> 00:18:08,638
"You've got a great background; you're in
great shape..." you know, da-da-da.
349
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"What we'd like you to do is
to graduate from UCLA,"
350
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join the CIA as a Case Officer...
351
00:18:13,806 --> 00:18:16,267
-- and a case officer is the highest
rank within the Agency;
352
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that's the highest level;
353
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there are levels above that, but
that's the crème de la crème --
354
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"And we want you to, then, after you're
a CIA Case Officer, go back,"
355
00:18:26,747 --> 00:18:29,447
"and go through the Los Angeles Police
Department Academy,"
356
00:18:29,447 --> 00:18:33,407
"and LAPD will be your cover."
357
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I sat through the interview,
358
00:18:34,856 --> 00:18:37,355
and I got a stack of papers about
that thick for my clearances,
359
00:18:37,355 --> 00:18:38,679
and I said, "Thank you very much,"
360
00:18:38,679 --> 00:18:41,379
and I came back to LA,
and I threw 'em away.
361
00:18:41,379 --> 00:18:45,093
And I said, "That's illegal. I don't want
anything to do with that."
362
00:18:45,093 --> 00:18:48,651
I joined LAPD in 1973, was Valedictorian
of my Academy class.
363
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Went to work in an area
called The Jungle,
364
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which is down near Crenshaw
and Martin Luther King.
365
00:18:53,384 --> 00:18:56,061
Was having a great time:
366
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I was a good cop; I loved it.
I'd never had so much fun in my life.
367
00:18:58,641 --> 00:19:01,416
I mean, it was what I wanted to do,
and I thrived on it.
368
00:19:01,416 --> 00:19:02,589
I specialized in narcotics...
369
00:19:02,589 --> 00:19:05,140
-- and then I met and fell in love
with a CIA agent.
370
00:19:05,140 --> 00:19:08,531
She came to my regular old cop bar,
and we met and fell in love.
371
00:19:08,531 --> 00:19:16,102
This is what we call the "unofficial
recruitment." (laughter)
372
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It was more fun than the one in the office,
I'll tell you that! (laughter)
373
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And she knew people in LAPD's
intelligence divisions.
374
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I didn't even know who they were.
375
00:19:27,919 --> 00:19:30,136
She kept mentioning this General
by the name of Lee Goforth.
376
00:19:30,136 --> 00:19:32,028
And I'm going, "Well, who the heck is he?"
377
00:19:32,028 --> 00:19:33,911
"Well, he's a General, and
he deals with terrorists."
378
00:19:33,911 --> 00:19:35,908
I'm like, "Uh, well, that sounds great."
379
00:19:35,908 --> 00:19:37,511
Then she'd mention organized
crime figures:
380
00:19:37,511 --> 00:19:39,455
Carlos Marcello, New Orleans;
381
00:19:39,455 --> 00:19:44,642
Hank Friedman, Dan Horowitz,
and other naems like that.
382
00:19:44,642 --> 00:19:48,159
And then she'd tell me things out of my
confidential personnel package at LAPD.
383
00:19:48,159 --> 00:19:49,481
There are two packages:
one in your division,
384
00:19:49,481 --> 00:19:51,552
and a master one at Parker Center.
385
00:19:51,552 --> 00:19:54,435
And then after a while,
when we got engaged,
386
00:19:54,435 --> 00:19:58,712
she said, "I work for the government."
387
00:19:58,712 --> 00:20:02,184
"My people are very interested in having
you go to work for me..." or, "for us."
388
00:20:02,184 --> 00:20:05,808
Bada-bing, bada-boom: and
then she started taking trips;
389
00:20:05,808 --> 00:20:07,138
and she'd come back from Hawaii and say,
390
00:20:07,138 --> 00:20:09,550
"Yeah, I was in this room, and there
were 50 kilos of cocaine"
391
00:20:09,550 --> 00:20:11,712
"And close to a thousand M-16s."
392
00:20:11,712 --> 00:20:13,053
Now, me being a narc...
393
00:20:13,053 --> 00:20:18,056
-- by the way: LAPD, when I was in
Watts and I confronted John Deutch said,
394
00:20:18,056 --> 00:20:23,416
"He's never worked narcotics." OK?
395
00:20:23,416 --> 00:20:26,329
"United States Department of Justice
Drug Enforcement Administration"
396
00:20:26,329 --> 00:20:28,374
"Michael Craig Ruppert"
-- that's me --
397
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I didn't get it for writing
parking tickets.
398
00:20:30,981 --> 00:20:38,141
I just wanted to do that in case LAPD
was watching. (applause)
399
00:20:38,141 --> 00:20:41,192
I said, "Look, if I'm ever in a room
with 50 kilos of cocaine,"
400
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"somebody's going to jail!" (laughter)
401
00:20:44,013 --> 00:20:46,701
I mean, what's wrong with you people!
402
00:20:46,701 --> 00:20:49,258
I mean, here I had been on loan
to Wilshire narcotics a few times,
403
00:20:49,258 --> 00:20:51,358
writing search warrants,
happy to get an ounce,
404
00:20:51,358 --> 00:20:53,345
and she's talking about fifty keys!
405
00:20:53,345 --> 00:20:54,885
And I, you know... "Wow!"
406
00:20:54,885 --> 00:20:57,723
"No, we never touch the drugs."
407
00:20:57,723 --> 00:20:59,214
"What?"
408
00:20:59,214 --> 00:21:00,268
"No, we don't touch the drugs."
409
00:21:00,268 --> 00:21:01,944
"We kind of follow the guns."
410
00:21:01,944 --> 00:21:04,924
"Okay. I'm not gonna get involved
in anything that overlooks drugs."
411
00:21:04,924 --> 00:21:07,477
Well, she related the same stories
as having occured
412
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in Baja California;
413
00:21:09,348 --> 00:21:12,583
in Del Rio, Texas;
414
00:21:12,583 --> 00:21:13,841
in The Bahamas;
415
00:21:13,841 --> 00:21:15,703
in New Orleans;
416
00:21:15,703 --> 00:21:16,841
and I kept saying...
417
00:21:16,841 --> 00:21:18,730
(responding to inaudible comment)
Oh, it was long before Mena.
418
00:21:18,730 --> 00:21:21,996
This was in 1976.
We hadn't even got to Mena yet.
419
00:21:21,996 --> 00:21:25,830
And I kept saying, "I'm not gonna..."
420
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:28,586
And I thought it was some kind of test!
421
00:21:28,586 --> 00:21:30,866
You know, I thought they were
testing my integrity.
422
00:21:30,866 --> 00:21:32,223
"I'm not gonna do anything
that overlooks drugs."
423
00:21:32,223 --> 00:21:34,146
"Forget it: I'm a cop!"
424
00:21:34,146 --> 00:21:37,336
Anyway, after a while, it became clear
that I was not gonna roll over,
425
00:21:37,336 --> 00:21:41,022
and she disappeared. (laughter)
426
00:21:41,022 --> 00:21:42,466
Very suddenly.
427
00:21:42,466 --> 00:21:43,836
Right after she disappeared,
428
00:21:43,836 --> 00:21:46,584
a bunch of Italian thugs walked into
my mother's real estate office.
429
00:21:46,584 --> 00:21:51,427
And then I found myself on loan to
Organized Crime Intelligence Division.
430
00:21:51,427 --> 00:21:54,742
And who do I find myself working with
but a guy named Lee Goforth,
431
00:21:54,742 --> 00:21:58,472
who was a senior detective, Detective III
in Organized Crime Intelligence
432
00:21:58,472 --> 00:22:01,529
and a Brigadier General in
the California National Guard.
433
00:22:01,529 --> 00:22:04,192
He was also LAPD's representative
to LEIU,
434
00:22:04,192 --> 00:22:05,843
Law Enforcement Intelligence Unit,
435
00:22:05,843 --> 00:22:10,202
which is very heavily influenced
by the alphabet soup.
436
00:22:10,202 --> 00:22:11,402
His younger partner, Norm Bonneau,
437
00:22:11,402 --> 00:22:16,013
and who's in OCID but
John Xavier Bach!
438
00:22:16,013 --> 00:22:18,685
So, now I'm having all kinds
of weird things happen:
439
00:22:18,685 --> 00:22:19,986
hang-up phone calls, burglaries;
440
00:22:19,986 --> 00:22:20,744
I'm getting followed;
441
00:22:20,744 --> 00:22:23,675
I have to spy on my mother,
gather intelligence.
442
00:22:23,675 --> 00:22:25,206
This is a little stressful.
443
00:22:25,206 --> 00:22:31,801
In 1977, I got burglarized.
444
00:22:31,801 --> 00:22:34,909
Now, she left saying that someone was
trying to kill her, and that was the cover.
445
00:22:34,909 --> 00:22:36,229
Somebody stole one of my guns;
446
00:22:36,229 --> 00:22:38,250
somebody stole a photograph of her;
447
00:22:38,250 --> 00:22:42,692
somebody got an address that I had
just gotten on her in New Orleans.
448
00:22:42,692 --> 00:22:46,113
So my Captain, who was, to this day,
one of the finest men I've ever known,
449
00:22:46,113 --> 00:22:47,455
a guy by the name of Jesse Brewer,
450
00:22:47,455 --> 00:22:50,829
who was the black Police Commissioner
here in Los Angeles
451
00:22:50,829 --> 00:22:52,173
during the time of the riots
452
00:22:52,173 --> 00:22:53,089
-- a wonderful human being --
453
00:22:53,089 --> 00:22:54,392
went to bat for me. He said,
454
00:22:54,392 --> 00:22:56,979
"Look, OCID is lying. What do you want?
Take a vacation."
455
00:22:56,979 --> 00:22:59,546
I went to New Orleans. And that was
the biggest mistake of my life.
456
00:22:59,546 --> 00:23:02,927
I got to New Orleans, and she's got an
apartment with a scrambler phone.
457
00:23:02,927 --> 00:23:05,356
And I didn't know what it was.
458
00:23:05,356 --> 00:23:06,986
It's just like this eight-pound telephone
459
00:23:06,986 --> 00:23:09,496
that looks like a normal phone,
460
00:23:09,496 --> 00:23:13,030
but it has a little thing that you plug
into a wall socket,
461
00:23:13,030 --> 00:23:14,471
and you plug that in.
462
00:23:14,471 --> 00:23:17,614
And I had to describe it years later
to an Air Force officer.
463
00:23:17,614 --> 00:23:19,212
He says, "That's a KY3."
464
00:23:19,212 --> 00:23:20,778
At the time, it required a TS Clearance.
465
00:23:20,778 --> 00:23:22,914
A TS or Crypto Clearance.
466
00:23:22,914 --> 00:23:27,239
She had this black night vision device
that she carried around in a paper bag.
467
00:23:27,239 --> 00:23:29,978
Naval and Air Force NCOs from
Belle Chase Naval Air Station
468
00:23:29,978 --> 00:23:32,577
were bringing her communiqués.
469
00:23:32,577 --> 00:23:34,503
And it was funny, because
they'd be in civilian clothes,
470
00:23:34,503 --> 00:23:36,607
but they'd have the military shoes on
471
00:23:36,607 --> 00:23:39,408
and their military ID card sticking up
out of their shirt pocket.
472
00:23:39,408 --> 00:23:43,262
I mean, great disguise! (laughter)
473
00:23:43,262 --> 00:23:45,660
And they'd bring these
sealed communiqués.
474
00:23:45,660 --> 00:23:47,262
And then there was this guy
named Freddy
475
00:23:47,262 --> 00:23:50,750
who had been a veteran of the Third
Battalion Fifth Special Forces,
476
00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:53,596
who she went out with at night,
477
00:23:53,596 --> 00:23:55,250
and I got to meet a whole
bunch of people
478
00:23:55,250 --> 00:23:58,037
that worked for a company
named Brown and Root.
479
00:23:58,037 --> 00:24:00,403
Major CIA contractor. They built
Cam Rahn Bay.
480
00:24:00,403 --> 00:24:03,515
They are one the major homes
of sheep-dipped employees.
481
00:24:03,515 --> 00:24:04,774
For those of you who don't know
what sheep-dipping is,
482
00:24:04,774 --> 00:24:09,247
it's when CIA takes a guy out
of the Agency spy school
483
00:24:09,247 --> 00:24:12,542
and puts them in IBM or some company
as their cover
484
00:24:12,542 --> 00:24:14,062
to go travel around the world.
485
00:24:14,062 --> 00:24:17,560
So all these people are
shipping out for Iran.
486
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,946
Oh, by the way: I didn't mention
487
00:24:19,946 --> 00:24:21,997
that Teddy grew up with the
niece of the Shah of Iran,
488
00:24:21,997 --> 00:24:24,703
and she used to get letters
all the time from Iran,
489
00:24:24,703 --> 00:24:26,408
and Teddy was American.
490
00:24:26,408 --> 00:24:29,829
And one time the Shah's nephew,
Shahyar [Pahlbod]
491
00:24:29,829 --> 00:24:31,461
came and picked her up,
took her out to dinner.
492
00:24:31,461 --> 00:24:33,591
So anyway, I'm watching her
make arrangements
493
00:24:33,591 --> 00:24:35,157
for all kinds of guns to leave.
494
00:24:35,157 --> 00:24:37,945
And then later I'm hearing
her make arrangements
495
00:24:37,945 --> 00:24:43,028
for certain packages to be dropped
off on oil rigs in the Gulf.
496
00:24:43,028 --> 00:24:45,910
And they would be stashed on the
oil rigs, down on the pilings,
497
00:24:45,910 --> 00:24:48,298
and bubbleheads, as they call them
498
00:24:48,298 --> 00:24:49,853
-- deep-sea divers, hardhats --
499
00:24:49,853 --> 00:24:53,691
would go down and pull up
the packages of heroin
500
00:24:53,691 --> 00:24:56,905
at the same time that a service boat
coming out to bring food
501
00:24:56,905 --> 00:25:01,684
would arrive at the oil rig, not subject
to Customs search.
502
00:25:01,684 --> 00:25:03,986
And the divers would just toss
the heroin, then home.
503
00:25:03,986 --> 00:25:07,314
Carlos Marcello controlled the whole
dock operation in New Orleans,
504
00:25:07,314 --> 00:25:08,830
so here I saw...
505
00:25:08,830 --> 00:25:14,084
and the name CIA was dropped six
or seven times while I was there.
506
00:25:14,084 --> 00:25:17,148
I saw scrambled communications,
and letterheads, and all this stuff.
507
00:25:17,148 --> 00:25:19,461
So they were controlling an operation
508
00:25:19,461 --> 00:25:21,808
where drugs were going out
and guns were coming in.
509
00:25:21,808 --> 00:25:24,270
This is was in 1977.
510
00:25:24,270 --> 00:25:28,431
So after eight days, I said,
"Goodbye, I'm leaving"
511
00:25:28,431 --> 00:25:29,774
"I don't want anything to do
with you people."
512
00:25:29,774 --> 00:25:32,463
And for those of us who have
been through this,
513
00:25:32,463 --> 00:25:34,387
it is a very painful loss of innocence.
514
00:25:34,387 --> 00:25:40,493
I can't tell you how painful it is to begin to
discover that your country is really dirty.
515
00:25:40,493 --> 00:25:44,144
And you do it in stages.
You don't let go all at once.
516
00:25:44,144 --> 00:25:48,017
I came back, I told everybody,
"Leave me alone," and they wouldn't.
517
00:25:48,017 --> 00:25:48,961
I kept getting followed, chased.
518
00:25:48,961 --> 00:25:51,636
I got shot at once in New Orleans.
519
00:25:51,636 --> 00:25:53,716
And I would up going into a hospital
for stress,
520
00:25:53,716 --> 00:25:56,413
basically because OCID said
521
00:25:56,413 --> 00:25:59,278
they were gonna commit me under one
of their psychiatrists. (crowd murmurs)
522
00:25:59,278 --> 00:26:01,249
So I said, "OK, I'm going into
my own hospital."
523
00:26:01,249 --> 00:26:03,178
And I got tested eight ways from Sunday,
524
00:26:03,178 --> 00:26:05,765
and they said I was perfectly sane,
525
00:26:05,765 --> 00:26:08,017
and I fought a little battle
and was injured on duty.
526
00:26:08,017 --> 00:26:11,819
I returned, earned the highest rating
reports possible in LAPD;
527
00:26:11,819 --> 00:26:14,816
was about to be promoted; was
on staff at the Police Academy:
528
00:26:14,816 --> 00:26:17,365
And the Iranian Revolution broke loose.
529
00:26:17,365 --> 00:26:19,209
And I started to make some more
connections,
530
00:26:19,209 --> 00:26:22,109
and that's when I started getting
death threats, and burglarized.
531
00:26:22,109 --> 00:26:24,342
I wound up taking a tape-recorded
eath threat,
532
00:26:24,342 --> 00:26:26,553
and I asked to see Chief Daryl Gates.
533
00:26:26,553 --> 00:26:29,731
Where do you go if Organized Crime
Intelligence is lying to you?
534
00:26:29,731 --> 00:26:33,403
In LAPD, there is no place else
you go but the Chief.
535
00:26:33,403 --> 00:26:34,860
And I said, "I've got a problem."
536
00:26:34,860 --> 00:26:36,832
Because Daryl Gates had just
been made Chief,
537
00:26:36,832 --> 00:26:38,752
and his bodyguard-driver was a guy
538
00:26:38,752 --> 00:26:43,118
by the name of John Xavier Bach.
(crowd murmers)
539
00:26:43,118 --> 00:26:46,832
And I said, "I can't see Daryl while
Bach's there, because he's CIA."
540
00:26:46,832 --> 00:26:50,331
And I got a message back from
Sergeant Pickering,
541
00:26:50,331 --> 00:26:52,248
a friend of mine who had
relayed the message:
542
00:26:52,248 --> 00:26:55,740
"Well, the chief realizes that somebody
may be trying to kill you."
543
00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:59,806
"He's kind of busy. He can give you five
or ten minutes in a week or ten days."
544
00:26:59,806 --> 00:27:02,557
"Would you like to make
an appointment?"
545
00:27:02,557 --> 00:27:06,392
I wanna show you something.
546
00:27:09,454 --> 00:27:11,507
I'm gonna being giving this out
at the press conference
547
00:27:11,507 --> 00:27:15,272
at the rally that we're doing
this weekend.
548
00:27:15,272 --> 00:27:24,178
This is from the Los Angeles Times, and
the date on this is November 17th, 1984:
549
00:27:24,178 --> 00:27:27,480
"Officers' Moonlighting Probed."
550
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,502
If you read this, it talks about
a Detective
551
00:27:29,502 --> 00:27:31,016
who went back to Organized Crime
Intelligence
552
00:27:31,016 --> 00:27:33,533
named John Xavier Bach.
553
00:27:33,533 --> 00:27:36,005
And it says... it says here... it says...
554
00:27:36,005 --> 00:27:39,896
"Copies of official records of the
California Department of Justice that"
555
00:27:39,896 --> 00:27:41,633
"contain information about criminal
history"
556
00:27:41,633 --> 00:27:43,370
"of members of the Jewish
Defense League..." da-da-da,
557
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:45,108
"government code," da-da-da...
OK:
558
00:27:45,108 --> 00:27:50,664
"turned over a transcript of the
conversation between Glalley and Earl (sp)
559
00:27:50,664 --> 00:27:52,774
to an employee of the
Central Intelligence Agency
560
00:27:52,774 --> 00:27:56,613
whom Ripaski (sp) identified
as Jack Harmeyer (sp).
561
00:27:56,613 --> 00:27:59,869
He was moonlighting for the Central
Intelligence Agency on city time,
562
00:27:59,869 --> 00:28:04,846
and he was convicted in
municipal court, OK?
563
00:28:04,846 --> 00:28:08,114
No corroboration for my story
whatsoever, right?
564
00:28:08,114 --> 00:28:10,424
Not according to the LA Times.
565
00:28:10,424 --> 00:28:14,377
I had alleged in 1978
that he was CIA, OK?
566
00:28:14,377 --> 00:28:17,727
So I wound up resigning.
567
00:28:17,727 --> 00:28:18,733
I got an attorney,
568
00:28:18,733 --> 00:28:21,154
and I got an attorney who was
a former FBI Intelligence agent.
569
00:28:21,154 --> 00:28:23,575
(laughter)
570
00:28:23,575 --> 00:28:25,998
Don't hold it against me.
Look we have to learn...
571
00:28:25,998 --> 00:28:28,795
I was way ahead of you guys on this,
you know. This was in '78.
572
00:28:28,795 --> 00:28:34,132
I went to the FBI, went to Sam Hayakawa,
Bob Dornin, Alan Cranston. (sp)
573
00:28:34,132 --> 00:28:37,486
Sam Hayakawa was a very gracious
and wonderful gentleman.
574
00:28:37,486 --> 00:28:40,221
He was the only elected official
who ever went to bat for me.
575
00:28:40,221 --> 00:28:43,209
In all these years, he is the only
one who ever did.
576
00:28:43,209 --> 00:28:47,271
Anyway: got on the record
wherever I could,
577
00:28:47,271 --> 00:28:49,840
and I documented everything
I had seen in New Orleans.
578
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:55,398
So sum up: the points that I made in
four-and-a-half hour complaint to the FBI
579
00:28:55,398 --> 00:28:58,811
that I later made to a reporter David
Rosensweig (sp) at the LA Times
580
00:28:58,811 --> 00:29:02,126
-- who, until recently, was Assistant
Managing Editor at the LA Times --
581
00:29:02,126 --> 00:29:06,453
to all the Congresspeople,
to everything else, I said:
582
00:29:06,453 --> 00:29:12,015
"Carlos Marcello, guns, drugs, CIA, Hawaii,
California, Mexico, submarines,"
583
00:29:12,015 --> 00:29:16,656
"Texas, Louisiana, terrorism,
and rebel groups"
584
00:29:16,656 --> 00:29:18,916
That was in 1978.
585
00:29:18,916 --> 00:29:22,983
Item from the Los Angeles Times:
586
00:29:22,983 --> 00:29:28,515
-- you're gonna love this one --
587
00:29:28,515 --> 00:29:32,057
"Guns for drugs trade booming,
reports disclose.'
588
00:29:32,057 --> 00:29:33,080
From Newsday.
589
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,513
Times didn't write it, but they
reprinted this story from Newsday, OK?
590
00:29:36,513 --> 00:29:39,942
And what it says is: "Carlos Marcello,
guns, drugs, terrorist groups,"
591
00:29:39,942 --> 00:29:43,497
"Baja California, submarines, Texas,
Louisiana, The Bahamas..."
592
00:29:43,497 --> 00:29:46,414
and everything I had said a year before.
593
00:29:46,414 --> 00:29:51,656
The LA Times said, "There's no
story here!" (laughter, murmuring)
594
00:29:51,656 --> 00:29:53,212
No corroboration.
595
00:29:53,212 --> 00:29:55,160
David Rosenzweig (sp), after this
came out, was promoted
596
00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:01,397
from Staff Writer to
Assistant City Editor, OK?
597
00:30:01,985 --> 00:30:05,146
I called the writer for that story,
Tom Renard (sp),
598
00:30:05,146 --> 00:30:07,241
and I mentioned the name Bonneau.
599
00:30:07,241 --> 00:30:09,539
He said, "Wait a minute: LAPD, Bonneau?"
600
00:30:09,539 --> 00:30:10,693
-- turned through his pages --
601
00:30:10,693 --> 00:30:12,024
"I've got this guy Bonneau's name"
602
00:30:12,024 --> 00:30:16,203
"in connection with a CIA machine gun
factory in Mexico."
603
00:30:16,203 --> 00:30:17,633
-- "Uh, wait a minute. OK." --
604
00:30:17,633 --> 00:30:19,746
So he says, "Call this investigator,
Bill Christianson, who's working for"
605
00:30:19,746 --> 00:30:21,537
"Deconcini's [Sub-]Committee on Improvements in Judicial Machinery"
606
00:30:23,328 --> 00:30:25,121
Great name.
607
00:30:25,121 --> 00:30:27,597
So I call Christianson up and
I run through all the stuff.
608
00:30:27,597 --> 00:30:30,759
Now I know: CIA is dealing drugs.
They're protecting Marcello.
609
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:31,868
They're hand-in-glove;
610
00:30:31,868 --> 00:30:36,472
they're partners, and CIA is
profiting from the deals, OK?
611
00:30:36,472 --> 00:30:37,963
I call Christianson, I lay it out.
He says,
612
00:30:37,963 --> 00:30:40,843
"You're right! My offices are bugged;
I'm getting followed;"
613
00:30:40,843 --> 00:30:42,713
"We were burglarized last week."
614
00:30:42,713 --> 00:30:49,039
This is a Senate investigator.
This is 1979. OK?
615
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,645
He says, "We'll get you back
here to testify."
616
00:30:51,645 --> 00:30:56,651
That was the first time I was
promised I could testify.
617
00:30:56,651 --> 00:30:58,603
A short time later, I had to start
looking for a job.
618
00:30:58,603 --> 00:30:59,646
I was a writer.
619
00:30:59,646 --> 00:31:00,993
I had been laid off from one writing job,
620
00:31:00,993 --> 00:31:02,546
and I couldn't find a job
anywhere in this city.
621
00:31:02,546 --> 00:31:04,597
And I would see unmarked
LAPD cars turning up
622
00:31:04,597 --> 00:31:06,007
outside of places where
I would go for interviews.
623
00:31:06,007 --> 00:31:10,160
After about three weeks,
I took a job at a 7-11 store,
624
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,946
because I needed to eat.
625
00:31:11,946 --> 00:31:14,173
My first day on the job,
somebody calls up and says,
626
00:31:14,173 --> 00:31:15,797
"Is Mike Ruppert working today?"
627
00:31:15,797 --> 00:31:18,644
My second day on the job,
628
00:31:18,644 --> 00:31:21,876
I was arrested for selling
liquor to a minor.
629
00:31:21,876 --> 00:31:27,187
The second time I was shot at:
after that, I was dead drunk.
630
00:31:27,187 --> 00:31:28,288
I was on my lawn.
631
00:31:28,288 --> 00:31:30,857
I mean, I really didn't care much
anymore, and somebody shot at me.
632
00:31:30,857 --> 00:31:32,266
I didn't even bother
to report it at that time.
633
00:31:32,266 --> 00:31:34,139
I was just ready to give up.
634
00:31:34,139 --> 00:31:35,906
But you can't give up.
635
00:31:35,906 --> 00:31:37,463
That's what I found out.
636
00:31:37,463 --> 00:31:44,861
(applause)
637
00:31:45,783 --> 00:31:46,970
I wish I had a choice.
638
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:48,891
I really do wish I had a choice.
639
00:31:48,891 --> 00:31:51,647
So I kept pursuing and pursuing
and pursuing,
640
00:31:51,647 --> 00:31:56,048
and eventually one reporter,
641
00:31:56,048 --> 00:32:05,543
from the days when we had a paper
in this town... (laughter) (applause)
642
00:32:05,543 --> 00:32:07,128
Randall Sullivan.
643
00:32:07,128 --> 00:32:09,984
I made the front page of the Herald Examiner two Sundays in a row,
644
00:32:09,984 --> 00:32:13,227
October 11th and October 18th, 1981.
645
00:32:13,227 --> 00:32:14,094
There's a full page.
646
00:32:14,094 --> 00:32:17,580
I love this part: it says, "Mike Ruppert,
perhaps LAPD's most intelligent officer."
647
00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:19,240
I really like that one.
648
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,907
If I'm so intelligent,
what am I doing this for?
649
00:32:21,907 --> 00:32:23,943
OK, it lays out all this stuff about CIA.
650
00:32:23,943 --> 00:32:26,125
It actually even finally mentioned
down here
651
00:32:26,125 --> 00:32:27,792
-- after the end of two parts
in two weeks --
652
00:32:27,792 --> 00:32:30,719
CIA dealing drugs.
653
00:32:30,719 --> 00:32:34,146
So I am on the record in October of 1981.
654
00:32:34,146 --> 00:32:39,467
I even have documents back from the
FBI saying that I said it back in 1980.
655
00:32:39,467 --> 00:32:43,646
So I do have a claim to some
seniority here. (laughter)
656
00:32:43,646 --> 00:32:45,805
What that gets me, I have no idea.
657
00:32:45,805 --> 00:32:51,492
Now, by this time, Ronald Reagan
is President.
658
00:32:51,492 --> 00:32:57,034
Craig Fuller is Assistant to President
Reagan for Cabinet Affairs.
659
00:32:57,034 --> 00:32:59,322
Craig Fuller's name turns up
in this article.
660
00:32:59,322 --> 00:33:00,756
I had a letter from Craig:
661
00:33:00,756 --> 00:33:03,283
"Any time you're in Washington,
come and see me."
662
00:33:03,283 --> 00:33:04,659
"I'd love to see ya."
663
00:33:04,659 --> 00:33:06,716
So I fly back with Part Two
under my arm.
664
00:33:06,716 --> 00:33:12,168
October 26, 1981, I am invited into
the West Wing of the White House.
665
00:33:12,168 --> 00:33:14,812
(silence; single audience
member whistles)
666
00:33:14,812 --> 00:33:16,635
And I get into the basement.
667
00:33:16,635 --> 00:33:18,611
Now, the Senate was gonna say that...
668
00:33:18,611 --> 00:33:21,413
Senate Intelligence was gonna
say I was never there,
669
00:33:21,413 --> 00:33:25,140
because two original White House letters
were burglarized from my home
670
00:33:25,140 --> 00:33:27,197
just three months ago.
671
00:33:27,197 --> 00:33:28,773
The same day that a senior investigator
672
00:33:28,773 --> 00:33:30,159
for Senate Select Al Cummings
673
00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:34,396
called me and asked me if I had original
letters on White House stationery.
674
00:33:34,396 --> 00:33:34,997
(audience murmurs)
675
00:33:34,997 --> 00:33:36,579
He's been very helpful,
by the way, though.
676
00:33:36,579 --> 00:33:39,130
I mean, he told LAPD he was
doing an active investigation:
677
00:33:39,130 --> 00:33:40,797
"Yeah, we were trying to get
these letters,"
678
00:33:40,797 --> 00:33:42,739
"and everything Mike said is true,"
679
00:33:42,739 --> 00:33:45,052
"and we had trouble faxing them,"
680
00:33:45,052 --> 00:33:46,895
and all kinds of shit.
681
00:33:46,895 --> 00:33:48,127
Excuse me: I said a bad word.
682
00:33:48,127 --> 00:33:52,041
So anyway, I get into Craig's office,
683
00:33:52,041 --> 00:33:54,456
and just for the record, Craig's office:
684
00:33:54,456 --> 00:33:57,122
if you're looking at the West Wing,
you go in through the portico.
685
00:33:57,122 --> 00:33:59,677
You take a hard right past
the receptionist,
686
00:33:59,677 --> 00:34:01,342
and on the far side of the reception area,
687
00:34:01,342 --> 00:34:03,672
there's a very steep and
narrow staircase,
688
00:34:03,672 --> 00:34:06,366
because it's built over so many years.
689
00:34:06,366 --> 00:34:08,334
You go down to the bottom
of the staircase;
690
00:34:08,334 --> 00:34:09,731
you take a hard right and come back,
691
00:34:09,731 --> 00:34:13,131
and he had the corner office facing
Pennsylvania Avenue and 17th.
692
00:34:13,131 --> 00:34:16,412
Tell me I wasn't there, OK?
693
00:34:16,412 --> 00:34:18,243
I sat in his office and
we talked for a while,
694
00:34:18,243 --> 00:34:19,186
and then I said,
695
00:34:19,186 --> 00:34:24,550
Craig, look: CIA's really heavily
infiltrated LAPD,
696
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:27,940
and CIA is complicit in bringing
drugs into this country,
697
00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:29,375
and it's wrong.
698
00:34:29,375 --> 00:34:32,268
Now, I'll tell you exactly
what Craig said:
699
00:34:32,268 --> 00:34:35,894
(silence)
700
00:34:35,894 --> 00:34:37,010
(laughter)
701
00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:40,692
He did not move; he did not breathe;
he did not anything,
702
00:34:40,692 --> 00:34:44,651
until I changed the subject, OK?
703
00:34:44,651 --> 00:34:46,082
Not:
704
00:34:46,082 --> 00:34:47,509
"Oh my God, I'm a public servant!"
705
00:34:47,509 --> 00:34:50,014
"What you're alleging is a great
outrage to the American people."
706
00:34:50,014 --> 00:34:52,841
"It's offense to the Constitution
and any sense of decency"
707
00:34:52,841 --> 00:34:55,445
"possessed by any human being
anywhere in the world."
708
00:34:55,445 --> 00:34:55,866
Not:
709
00:34:55,866 --> 00:34:58,919
"My God, this is terrible! Somebody
needs to look into this! This is awful!"
710
00:34:58,919 --> 00:35:02,815
He just sat stone silent.
711
00:35:02,815 --> 00:35:07,919
And then George Bush made him his
Chief of Staff in the second Reagan term.
712
00:35:07,919 --> 00:35:12,149
And I remember walking out of the
White House and saying to myself,
713
00:35:12,149 --> 00:35:18,887
"Self, where do I go now?"
714
00:35:18,887 --> 00:35:20,517
So I came back to Los Angeles,
715
00:35:20,517 --> 00:35:23,808
and it was one of the several times
I tried to put all this behind me.
716
00:35:23,808 --> 00:35:26,058
And of course, events just
kept catching up again,
717
00:35:26,058 --> 00:35:30,964
because in 1981 Oliver North
was just getting started.
718
00:35:30,964 --> 00:35:34,618
Now, in January of '82, I went to UCLA
719
00:35:34,618 --> 00:35:36,138
-- which was my school --
720
00:35:36,138 --> 00:35:39,360
and I sought out the ranking expert
on Middle East affairs
721
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,942
in the Political Science department,
722
00:35:40,942 --> 00:35:42,781
a guy named Paul Jabber.
723
00:35:42,781 --> 00:35:45,659
You're gonna love this one, this story!
724
00:35:45,659 --> 00:35:46,798
So, I go to Paul Jabber's office.
725
00:35:46,798 --> 00:35:48,579
Now, by now I've pieced
some stuff together
726
00:35:48,579 --> 00:35:50,477
about why the guns are going
and where they're going.
727
00:35:50,477 --> 00:35:56,723
And I've narrowed it down to probably
the Kurds, maybe the Baluchis,
728
00:35:56,723 --> 00:36:01,889
and it had to do with arming a group
in Iran to fight somebody...
729
00:36:01,889 --> 00:36:03,364
-- excuse me --
730
00:36:03,364 --> 00:36:06,066
mildly in connection, maybe,
with the revolution,
731
00:36:06,066 --> 00:36:07,219
but I wasn't sure.
732
00:36:07,219 --> 00:36:12,114
But I had names of people like Shackley
-- and we'll get to that in a minute.
733
00:36:12,114 --> 00:36:14,923
See, he says, "My God, Mike:
your analysis is brilliant!"
734
00:36:14,923 --> 00:36:17,968
"Did you know, by the way,
hat I was a CIA consultant"
735
00:36:17,968 --> 00:36:23,286
"and a State Department consultant
for Jimmy Carter?" (laughter)
736
00:36:23,286 --> 00:36:28,575
Do you ever feel like God's following
you around with this stuff? (laughter)
737
00:36:28,575 --> 00:36:29,578
And I said, "No..."
738
00:36:29,578 --> 00:36:31,316
And he said,
"Listen: I have secrecy oaths,"
739
00:36:31,316 --> 00:36:32,685
"and I have these agreements
that I've signed."
740
00:36:32,685 --> 00:36:34,748
I can't tell you outright;
741
00:36:34,748 --> 00:36:38,652
but why don't you go read the
New York Times on these dates,
742
00:36:38,652 --> 00:36:41,693
articles by C. L. Sulzberger and
William Safire,
743
00:36:41,693 --> 00:36:45,367
and look up the Kurds,
and tell me what you think.
744
00:36:45,367 --> 00:36:46,982
So I went and did it, and I
pieced it all together.
745
00:36:46,982 --> 00:36:49,266
And what happened was,
on March 3, 1975...
746
00:36:49,266 --> 00:36:56,755
-- March 3, 1975: April, 1975
is when Saigon fell.
747
00:36:56,755 --> 00:36:58,832
Remember the context of history. --
748
00:36:58,832 --> 00:37:01,562
March 3, 1975: the Shah of Iran
and Saddam Hussein
749
00:37:01,562 --> 00:37:02,920
signed the Treaty of Algiers.
750
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,044
We had been arming the Kurds for
decades to fight against Iraq
751
00:37:08,044 --> 00:37:13,181
so that Iraq could not attack Israel, OK?
752
00:37:13,181 --> 00:37:16,821
Through Iraq. And what
the Shah said was,
753
00:37:16,821 --> 00:37:19,810
S"Saddam, if you give me the
hatt al-Arab waterway,"
754
00:37:19,810 --> 00:37:23,333
"I can double my oil exports, and
I'll cut off all aid to the Kurds,"
755
00:37:23,333 --> 00:37:24,424
"and you can massacre them,"
756
00:37:24,424 --> 00:37:26,680
"and then your army's free to do
whatever you want to do."
757
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,033
So they shook hands at the
Treaty of Algiers: March 3, '75.
758
00:37:30,033 --> 00:37:34,377
Within weeks, about 8-10,000 Kurds
were massacred.
759
00:37:34,377 --> 00:37:37,227
So I pieced it together, and I
went back to Paul Jabber,
760
00:37:37,227 --> 00:37:38,445
and I said,
"Well, what happened was, then,"
761
00:37:38,445 --> 00:37:41,070
"in order to keep the Kurds alive,"
762
00:37:41,070 --> 00:37:43,139
"they used the opium-smuggling
routes..."
763
00:37:43,139 --> 00:37:44,363
-- Kurdistan being, by the way,
764
00:37:44,363 --> 00:37:48,008
the second-largest opium-growing
region in the world --
765
00:37:48,008 --> 00:37:51,743
"to smuggle out opium,
which was made into heroin"
766
00:37:51,743 --> 00:37:54,765
"and sold here to buy the guns
to keep the Kurds alive."
767
00:37:54,765 --> 00:37:56,912
He says, "You're absolutely right."
768
00:37:56,912 --> 00:37:59,981
"The decision was made at the
National Security Council level..."
769
00:37:59,981 --> 00:38:02,549
-- read that, folks: that's
the White House! --
770
00:38:02,549 --> 00:38:09,696
to sell heroin to American citizens
to keep the Kurds alive. OK?
771
00:38:09,696 --> 00:38:12,903
(Man in audience) Maybe
that was just a pretext!
772
00:38:12,903 --> 00:38:16,346
Moving right on.
Do you guys pay him, or what?
773
00:38:16,346 --> 00:38:18,148
(laughter, applause)
OK.
774
00:38:18,148 --> 00:38:19,639
Remember Southeast Asia here,
where I wrote some names
775
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:21,313
like Ted Shackley, Tom Clines,
Richard Secord?
776
00:38:21,313 --> 00:38:23,470
What happened in 1975?
777
00:38:23,470 --> 00:38:24,770
The Vietnam War ended.
778
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:29,000
Ted Shackley moved and became
Deputy Director of Central Intelligence
779
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,366
in charge of covert operations
for the Middle East.
780
00:38:32,366 --> 00:38:36,870
Richard Secord was transfered
to Iran as the Air Attaché.
781
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:39,413
Richard Armitage was transferred to Iran
782
00:38:39,413 --> 00:38:43,705
on missions connected with
banking and finance.
783
00:38:43,705 --> 00:38:45,470
Is this beginning to sound familiar here?
784
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:49,326
Is there a pattern shaping up h
ere somewhere? OK?
785
00:38:49,326 --> 00:38:52,617
The same players from Southeast Asia
moved to Iran.
786
00:38:52,617 --> 00:38:56,794
The same players from Iran in 1980
moved into Pakistan
787
00:38:56,794 --> 00:38:59,406
when the Russians invaded Afghanistan.
788
00:38:59,406 --> 00:39:03,438
Everywhere these people go, there is
a huge boom in the drug trade.
789
00:39:03,438 --> 00:39:08,158
Pakistan, before the invasion
by the Soviets,
790
00:39:08,158 --> 00:39:13,040
had supplied zero percent
f American heroin.
791
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,707
(man in audience) You mean
Afghanistan.
792
00:39:14,707 --> 00:39:16,941
Afghanistan: well, no.
They had invaded Afghanistan,
793
00:39:16,941 --> 00:39:20,825
but all of the American supply operations
were run from Pakistan.
794
00:39:20,825 --> 00:39:25,766
The mujahideen were armed
through American bases in Pakistan
795
00:39:25,766 --> 00:39:27,356
over into the border.
796
00:39:27,356 --> 00:39:29,604
By the middle of that conflict,
797
00:39:29,604 --> 00:39:33,119
40 to 60 percent of the heroin
n this country
798
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:39,157
was coming from -- guess where? -- Pakistan. Duh!
799
00:39:39,157 --> 00:39:46,245
So, now we move to Iran-Contra.
800
00:39:46,245 --> 00:39:48,985
The Bowen Amendment says,
"No more lethal aid to the Contras."
801
00:39:48,985 --> 00:39:50,677
"Cut 'em off."
802
00:39:50,677 --> 00:39:51,919
Reagan says, "We'll go private..."
803
00:39:51,919 --> 00:39:56,827
Oliver North, by the way, started to get
involved back in Iran and Pakistan.
804
00:39:56,827 --> 00:39:58,961
He starts cropping up.
805
00:39:58,961 --> 00:40:01,668
Now we have the Contra
supply operation.
806
00:40:01,668 --> 00:40:02,592
And who do we find?
807
00:40:02,592 --> 00:40:04,726
-- Oh, by the way: John Singlaub
went to the Middle East, too --
808
00:40:04,726 --> 00:40:07,240
Now, who do we find cropping
up in Iran-Contra?
809
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:13,732
John Singlaub, Richard Secord,
Ted Shackley, Richard Armitage...
810
00:40:13,732 --> 00:40:16,496
all the same people. Oliver North,
again: the same people
811
00:40:16,496 --> 00:40:18,100
-- for 40 years, 50 years --
812
00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:22,350
have been doing the same thing. OK?
813
00:40:22,350 --> 00:40:23,723
Now we get to Iran-Contra.
814
00:40:23,723 --> 00:40:25,220
And I'm not gonna spend
a great deal of time
815
00:40:25,220 --> 00:40:27,335
on all this stuff that's already out.
816
00:40:27,335 --> 00:40:30,643
I will give you one specific
case illustrating,
817
00:40:30,643 --> 00:40:36,028
and that's the case of Juan Ramón
Matta-Ballesteros, of Honduras.
818
00:40:36,028 --> 00:40:38,657
And during the early years of the
Iran-Contra era,
819
00:40:38,657 --> 00:40:41,986
Honduras was supplying
approximately 50 percent
820
00:40:41,986 --> 00:40:44,374
of the cocaine consumed i
n this country,
821
00:40:44,374 --> 00:40:46,567
through Matta-Ballesteros.
822
00:40:46,567 --> 00:40:50,296
Duane Clarridge, CIA Station Chief,
823
00:40:50,296 --> 00:40:55,074
had contracted with
Matta's airline, SETCO,
824
00:40:55,074 --> 00:40:59,725
for exclusive contracting for
Contra supply operations.
825
00:40:59,725 --> 00:41:07,638
DEA station in Honduras was
ordered closed in 1982.
826
00:41:07,638 --> 00:41:10,139
Juan Ramón Matta-Ballesteros
was very closely connected
827
00:41:10,139 --> 00:41:16,703
with a Mexican cartel run by
Felix Gallardo and Rafael Caro Quintero.
828
00:41:16,703 --> 00:41:20,194
Everybody remember Kiki Camerena?
829
00:41:20,194 --> 00:41:25,322
Kiki Camerena was investigating
Gallardo and Quintero.
830
00:41:25,322 --> 00:41:27,959
He was chasing a CIA drug ring
when he was murdered.
831
00:41:27,959 --> 00:41:29,579
And I have found one of the men,
the CIA agents,
832
00:41:29,579 --> 00:41:31,730
who was on the mission where
Kiki was murdered.
833
00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:33,729
And we're gonna get into that in a second.
834
00:41:33,729 --> 00:41:34,935
Now, I want to backtrack a little bit.
835
00:41:34,935 --> 00:41:39,685
A lot has been overlooked about the
role of the US military in drug-dealing,
836
00:41:39,685 --> 00:41:41,903
as ordered by the CIA.
837
00:41:41,903 --> 00:41:43,864
Over 20 years of my investigations,
838
00:41:43,864 --> 00:41:45,071
what I see is several things.
839
00:41:45,071 --> 00:41:47,123
First of all, what I call the
"shadow government,"
840
00:41:47,123 --> 00:41:49,007
which includes many agencies...
841
00:41:49,007 --> 00:41:53,038
-- DIA, Defense Department, NSA...
they're everywhere, OK? --
842
00:41:53,038 --> 00:41:56,748
had used large components
of the military.
843
00:41:56,748 --> 00:42:00,081
Many people here... let me ask:
844
00:42:00,081 --> 00:42:02,447
is anyone here familiar with
the Watchtower missions?
845
00:42:02,447 --> 00:42:05,624
I see a couple of hands. OK.
846
00:42:05,624 --> 00:42:09,268
The Watchtower missions took
place in the mid- to late-'70s.
847
00:42:09,268 --> 00:42:11,757
Elements of the Seventh Special
Forces Group Airborne
848
00:42:11,757 --> 00:42:15,737
were ordered from Panama by a guy
by the name of Edwin Wilson
849
00:42:15,737 --> 00:42:19,654
on orders from a guy by the name
of Tom Clines
850
00:42:19,654 --> 00:42:22,728
-- Ted Shackley's deputy; Ted Shackley
is now out of the agency --
851
00:42:22,728 --> 00:42:29,205
to take Special Action Teams into
Colombia and plant radar beacons,
852
00:42:29,205 --> 00:42:34,401
so the cocaine flights can fly below radar
and land at Albrook Airfield in Panama.
853
00:42:34,401 --> 00:42:35,720
Special Forces troops were there,
854
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,410
including one William Tyree,
855
00:42:37,410 --> 00:42:39,305
as Manuel Noriega meets the aircraft,
856
00:42:39,305 --> 00:42:43,039
along with Ed Wilson and a
guy named Michael Harari
857
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,492
of the Israeli Mossad, OK?
858
00:42:45,492 --> 00:42:47,764
There were three series
of these missions,
859
00:42:47,764 --> 00:42:50,662
each commanded by a different
Special Forces Colonel.
860
00:42:50,662 --> 00:42:53,250
All of these Special Forces
Colonels are dead.
861
00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:56,391
Actually, there are five Special Forces
Colonels who have been murdered:
862
00:42:56,391 --> 00:43:00,791
Baker, Rowe, Cutolo, Malvesti,
and Bayard, OK?
863
00:43:00,791 --> 00:43:02,012
There was...
864
00:43:02,012 --> 00:43:03,626
it centers around an affidavit
865
00:43:03,626 --> 00:43:08,752
called the Cutolo Affadavit.
866
00:43:08,752 --> 00:43:14,801
These are some of my documents
relevant to Watchtower.
867
00:43:14,801 --> 00:43:19,509
And I'll tell you right up front
that the affadavit of Ed Cutolo,
868
00:43:19,509 --> 00:43:21,161
Colonel at Tenth Special Forces,
869
00:43:21,161 --> 00:43:23,093
-- he went from the Seventh
to the Tenth --
870
00:43:23,093 --> 00:43:25,950
this is the cover sheet:
871
00:43:25,950 --> 00:43:28,948
it was not written by
Colonel Edward Cutolo.
872
00:43:28,948 --> 00:43:30,028
One of the reasons why I know that
873
00:43:30,028 --> 00:43:32,181
is because he refers to the
Panamanian Defense Forces,
874
00:43:32,181 --> 00:43:33,995
and Ed Cutolo was murdered in 1980,
875
00:43:33,995 --> 00:43:39,581
and they weren't named the Panamanian
Defense Forces until '85. OK?
876
00:43:39,581 --> 00:43:43,047
But everything in his affidavit
has been corroborated.
877
00:43:43,047 --> 00:43:44,493
He left files with people at the NSA,
878
00:43:44,493 --> 00:43:46,654
and I know who the people are.
879
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,697
But we're not gonna discuss
names there.
880
00:43:48,697 --> 00:43:54,113
Every aspect of the Watchtower missions
has been corroborated independently
881
00:43:54,113 --> 00:43:56,025
by other affidavits.
882
00:43:56,025 --> 00:44:02,439
We fast-forward to 1978, 1979, '80.
883
00:44:02,439 --> 00:44:05,237
Cutolo is now commander of
Tenth Special Forces Group Airborne
884
00:44:05,237 --> 00:44:06,856
at Fort Devens, Massachusetts.
885
00:44:06,856 --> 00:44:09,148
And we have an operation
known as Orwell.
886
00:44:09,148 --> 00:44:12,966
Due to the massive CIA drug operations,
they were afraid of leaks.
887
00:44:12,966 --> 00:44:16,050
Now remember, when I left LAPD,
it was November 30, 1978.
888
00:44:16,050 --> 00:44:18,177
Orwell was at its peak then.
889
00:44:18,177 --> 00:44:23,044
Army Security Agency,
Special Forces personnel,
890
00:44:23,044 --> 00:44:26,685
military intelligence personnel were
ordered to bug and wiretap courthouses,
891
00:44:26,685 --> 00:44:29,995
politicians, anybody who had
any knowledge.
892
00:44:29,995 --> 00:44:31,330
We have affidavits from people
893
00:44:31,330 --> 00:44:34,679
who pulled mics out of courthouse
walls in Massachusetts.
894
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:37,027
They did John Kerry.
895
00:44:37,027 --> 00:44:38,024
They did Tip O'Neill.
896
00:44:38,024 --> 00:44:42,305
They did anybody, any politician who
might expose these operations.
897
00:44:42,305 --> 00:44:45,358
Now, we have a Sergeant Bill Tyree
who was on these missions,
898
00:44:45,358 --> 00:44:47,346
who had been on the missions
in Central America,
899
00:44:47,346 --> 00:44:50,458
who had been ordered to do
these surveillances,
900
00:44:50,458 --> 00:44:52,339
-- and he wanted out.
901
00:44:52,339 --> 00:44:54,220
He got sick to his stomach.
902
00:44:54,220 --> 00:44:56,102
He'd had enough.
903
00:44:56,102 --> 00:44:57,609
This was not America to him.
904
00:44:57,609 --> 00:44:59,396
His wife had been keeping diaries.
905
00:44:59,396 --> 00:45:03,140
They murdered his wife,
and they framed him for it.
906
00:45:03,140 --> 00:45:06,669
We have affidavits from people saying
he wasn't even at the murder scene.
907
00:45:06,669 --> 00:45:10,746
We have a letter from the District
Attorney who prosecuted the case,
908
00:45:10,746 --> 00:45:12,850
who was gay,
909
00:45:12,850 --> 00:45:14,064
who was being blackmailed
by Special Forces saying,
910
00:45:14,064 --> 00:45:18,536
"Please destroy the videotape showing
the murderer other than Tyree"
911
00:45:18,536 --> 00:45:20,487
"coming out of the bedroom window."
912
00:45:20,487 --> 00:45:22,037
OK?
913
00:45:22,037 --> 00:45:22,975
There's so much proof that...
914
00:45:22,975 --> 00:45:24,458
he's been in prison now eighteen years.
915
00:45:24,458 --> 00:45:27,088
I talked to him yesterday. OK?
916
00:45:27,088 --> 00:45:29,306
And as we move along with this case,
917
00:45:29,306 --> 00:45:31,548
we get more and more information
about Watchtower.
918
00:45:31,548 --> 00:45:35,854
This -- I will hold up for you here --
919
00:45:35,854 --> 00:45:40,140
this is what the Army has to say
about Watchtower (laughter)
920
00:45:40,140 --> 00:45:50,497
And then they say it never existed;
it just wasn't there.
921
00:45:50,497 --> 00:45:54,614
The Central Intelligence Agency -- if I
can find it quickly, and I probably can't --
922
00:45:54,614 --> 00:45:57,654
but I have documents that he got from
the Central Intelligence Agency
923
00:45:57,654 --> 00:45:59,999
that says, "There was no
Watchtower mission."
924
00:45:59,999 --> 00:46:02,647
-- it's a six-page letter in reponse to his
Freedom of Information Act Request --
925
00:46:02,647 --> 00:46:06,124
They go through three-and-a-half
pages of "There is no Watchtower,"
926
00:46:06,124 --> 00:46:07,348
and then -- badda-bing, badda-boom --
927
00:46:07,348 --> 00:46:10,821
it says at the end, "We are reviewing
all of our Watchtower documents"
928
00:46:10,821 --> 00:46:14,079
"because we've had so many requests
for them; and as soon as..."
929
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:15,268
Then they wrote him and said,
930
00:46:15,268 --> 00:46:17,450
"Can we have our last letter back?"
931
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:22,423
Believe it or not, they did. (laughter)
932
00:46:22,423 --> 00:46:25,464
These people are not as smart
as we give them credit for.
933
00:46:25,464 --> 00:46:30,221
(applause) They use fear as a tool, OK?
934
00:46:30,221 --> 00:46:34,359
There is so much evidence
about Watchtower.
935
00:46:34,359 --> 00:46:36,757
And I have spoken to many
Special Forces people.
936
00:46:36,757 --> 00:46:39,806
This came out, by the way, through
Bo Gritz, who I've met several times,
937
00:46:39,806 --> 00:46:43,884
after Paul Neary of the National Security
Agency died of natural causes,
938
00:46:43,884 --> 00:46:45,026
it was forwarded to Bo,
939
00:46:45,026 --> 00:46:47,633
and Bo started to release
it in the early '90s.
940
00:46:47,633 --> 00:46:51,943
And there is a ton...
941
00:46:51,943 --> 00:46:54,438
I mean, if this guy ever gets a trial,
he's free.
942
00:46:54,438 --> 00:46:57,440
And In my speech Saturday at the rally,
943
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,715
I'm going to be talking about Bill Tyree.
944
00:46:59,715 --> 00:47:03,497
I'm going to be talking about the twelve
or so members of Special Forces
945
00:47:03,497 --> 00:47:05,458
who have shared with me
the shame they carry
946
00:47:05,458 --> 00:47:11,209
at having been ordered
to do things like this.
947
00:47:11,209 --> 00:47:16,428
Now, I want to get to someone who's
even gonna make you feel worse,
948
00:47:16,428 --> 00:47:18,987
if that's possible.
949
00:47:18,987 --> 00:47:25,132
Ah, thank you.
950
00:47:25,132 --> 00:47:30,860
Pardon me, I'm gonna hit the glass.
951
00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:35,129
This is a guy that I get to take credit
for discovering all by myself.
952
00:47:35,129 --> 00:47:37,315
Again, I have such wonderful luck.
953
00:47:37,315 --> 00:47:43,093
Colonel Albert Vincent Carone.
954
00:47:43,093 --> 00:47:46,213
In this copyrighted report
that I wrote in 1994,
955
00:47:46,213 --> 00:47:47,257
I called him the missing link
956
00:47:47,257 --> 00:47:51,991
between Iran-Contra cocaine operations
and organized crime.
957
00:47:51,991 --> 00:47:55,847
This man was 20 years with the
New York Police Department,
958
00:47:55,847 --> 00:47:58,471
a detective,
959
00:47:58,471 --> 00:48:01,787
who happened to be involved in
a couple of very key NYPD cases
960
00:48:01,787 --> 00:48:05,926
known as The French Connection
and The Prince of the City,
961
00:48:05,926 --> 00:48:09,270
for which my colleague Jimmy Rothstein
, a retired NYPD detective,
962
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:14,762
deserves great credit as having
uncovered the CIA links to both cases.
963
00:48:14,762 --> 00:48:20,755
This is a picture of Colonel Albert
Carone after his retirement from NYPD.
964
00:48:20,755 --> 00:48:23,916
He was caught sodomizing
two twelve-year-old boys,
965
00:48:23,916 --> 00:48:25,710
and they gave him a pension.
966
00:48:25,710 --> 00:48:30,098
He had been a bagman and a CIA
operative for his whole career.
967
00:48:30,098 --> 00:48:32,427
He is the counterpart in NYPD
968
00:48:32,427 --> 00:48:34,555
for what they wanted me and others
to do at LAPD,
969
00:48:34,555 --> 00:48:38,421
except for... this guy died,
by the way, in 1990.
970
00:48:38,421 --> 00:48:42,231
I've held his personal phone book
in my hand.
971
00:48:42,231 --> 00:48:43,474
Let me backtrack again:
972
00:48:43,474 --> 00:48:48,456
the death certificate when he died:
we call it "the CIA flu."
973
00:48:48,456 --> 00:48:55,763
The death certificate read
"chemical toxicity of unknown etiology,"
974
00:48:55,763 --> 00:48:57,132
(laughter)
975
00:48:57,132 --> 00:49:00,314
His liver and brain self-destructed
over a period of six months,
976
00:49:00,314 --> 00:49:02,581
and no doctor, of about eleven
doctors who treated him,
977
00:49:02,581 --> 00:49:04,828
could figure out what was causing it.
978
00:49:04,828 --> 00:49:11,396
I've held his phone book in my hand,
Colonel Albert Carone,
979
00:49:11,396 --> 00:49:15,506
and in that phone book, I found William
Casey's home phone number
980
00:49:15,506 --> 00:49:19,693
in Locust Valley, Long Island.
981
00:49:19,693 --> 00:49:23,492
I found the home phone number
for Paulie Castellano.
982
00:49:23,492 --> 00:49:26,238
Anybody know who Paulie Castellano is?
983
00:49:26,238 --> 00:49:28,781
He's the guy who took over
the Gambino crime family.
984
00:49:28,781 --> 00:49:31,776
"Matty the Horse" Ianniello.
985
00:49:31,776 --> 00:49:35,453
Pete Licavoli.
986
00:49:35,453 --> 00:49:38,156
More mobsters than you
can shake a stick at.
987
00:49:38,156 --> 00:49:41,944
Now, I found a couple other
names in the phone book.
988
00:49:41,944 --> 00:49:44,868
Go back to Southeast Asia: remember
what I wrote on the board up here?
989
00:49:44,868 --> 00:49:49,947
Paul Helliwell and Richard Stillwell:
home phone numbers.
990
00:49:49,947 --> 00:49:54,061
Also key players in a bank called the
Nugan-Hand bank, out of Australia,
991
00:49:54,061 --> 00:49:58,436
which was the CIA's drug bank, who had
Bill Colby as its chief counsel.
992
00:49:58,436 --> 00:50:03,362
Uh, this is a clue! This is a clue! OK...
(laughter)
993
00:50:03,362 --> 00:50:06,447
He went on a mission to Mexico in 1985
994
00:50:06,447 --> 00:50:08,136
with a guy named James Robert Strauss.
995
00:50:08,136 --> 00:50:10,834
-- I have no idea how long
I've been going --
996
00:50:10,834 --> 00:50:11,644
(Host) You're OK.
997
00:50:11,644 --> 00:50:17,694
OK. James Robert Strauss:
who used to brag about
998
00:50:17,694 --> 00:50:20,480
having taken quiet walks on the beach
with Richard Nixon.
999
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,952
I hope they weren't too close. (laughter)
1000
00:50:24,952 --> 00:50:26,326
And he came back from
this mission saying,
1001
00:50:26,326 --> 00:50:28,394
"My God! We killed two DEA agents."
1002
00:50:28,394 --> 00:50:32,649
"We massacred a whole bunch
of innocent civilians in Chiapas."
1003
00:50:32,649 --> 00:50:36,083
-- you know that there's a revolution
going on in Chiapas, now --
1004
00:50:36,083 --> 00:50:40,725
"And I've lost my stomach:
I can't do this anymore."
1005
00:50:40,725 --> 00:50:44,320
He had been laundering cocaine profits
from the CIA through the Mafia
1006
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,751
for about 25, 30 years,
1007
00:50:47,751 --> 00:50:51,598
and he lost his stomach.
1008
00:50:51,598 --> 00:50:55,174
Not after sodomizing the boys,
or killing people, or anything,
1009
00:50:55,174 --> 00:50:56,911
but when two DEA agents finally killed,
1010
00:50:56,911 --> 00:50:58,892
something finally clicked:
"something is wrong."
1011
00:50:58,892 --> 00:51:02,790
Do we have any other evidence,
by the way?
1012
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:06,021
Here is one of the pages from
one of his surviving passports.
1013
00:51:06,021 --> 00:51:07,397
If anybody knows anything
about passports,
1014
00:51:07,397 --> 00:51:08,815
he had a black one,
1015
00:51:08,815 --> 00:51:10,562
he had a maroon one,
1016
00:51:10,562 --> 00:51:11,688
he had a green one,
1017
00:51:11,688 --> 00:51:13,366
and he had a blue one...
1018
00:51:13,366 --> 00:51:16,466
-- in three different names.
1019
00:51:16,466 --> 00:51:18,884
Here's a passport stamp showing
three-day circuits
1020
00:51:18,884 --> 00:51:24,900
from John F. Kennedy, to London Heathrow,
to Nassau, the Bahamas.
1021
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:26,334
Could he have been laundering stuff?
1022
00:51:26,334 --> 00:51:27,941
I don't know.
1023
00:51:27,941 --> 00:51:30,224
We have some bank account
numbers at NatWest,
1024
00:51:30,224 --> 00:51:32,205
the National Bank of Westminster,
1025
00:51:32,205 --> 00:51:36,886
and Coutts & Co., one of which is still live.
His daughter has it.
1026
00:51:36,886 --> 00:51:39,089
We have military records.
1027
00:51:39,089 --> 00:51:44,346
We have travel records from
Strauss, Downing and Associates.
1028
00:51:44,346 --> 00:51:45,904
His partner had an insurance company,
1029
00:51:45,904 --> 00:51:49,215
but for a guy who sold insurance
domestically,
1030
00:51:49,215 --> 00:51:54,483
why would he need to go to
Johannesburg; Hong Kong; London;
1031
00:51:54,483 --> 00:52:00,549
Kuala Lumpur; Seoul; Luanda, Angola;
the Jersey Islands
1032
00:52:00,704 --> 00:52:03,553
-- they do a lot of laundering in the
Jersey Islands off the British coast --
1033
00:52:03,553 --> 00:52:10,904
Casablanca; Madrid... and then I've got
five pages of travel records.
1034
00:52:10,904 --> 00:52:14,763
When Albert Carone died of chemical
toxicity of unknown etiology,
1035
00:52:14,783 --> 00:52:16,586
several things happened.
1036
00:52:16,586 --> 00:52:20,619
Every military record of
the guy disappeared.
1037
00:52:20,619 --> 00:52:24,203
His New York Police pension
disappeared.
1038
00:52:24,203 --> 00:52:29,228
His bank accounts disappeared.
1039
00:52:29,228 --> 00:52:31,863
His insurance policies disappeared.
1040
00:52:31,863 --> 00:52:36,632
His driver's license record
in New Mexico disappeared.
1041
00:52:36,632 --> 00:52:37,991
Every record of this man
1042
00:52:37,991 --> 00:52:41,152
was sanitized in the space
of three weeks.
1043
00:52:41,152 --> 00:52:43,576
His daughter, Dee Carone Ferdinand
1044
00:52:43,576 --> 00:52:45,727
-- whom I love dearly, and who is
one of my closest friends --
1045
00:52:45,727 --> 00:52:49,007
was left utterly broke and bankrupt:
wiped out.
1046
00:52:49,007 --> 00:52:53,261
She wrote to Pete Domenici's office
and sent a picture of this phtograph,
1047
00:52:53,261 --> 00:52:54,813
saying, "My father was a Colonel."
1048
00:52:54,813 --> 00:52:57,272
And the Army said,
"He was a Sergeant in World War II,"
1049
00:52:57,272 --> 00:52:59,371
and that's what they buried him as:
a Master Sergeant.
1050
00:52:59,371 --> 00:53:03,217
Pete Domenici's office called her back
and said, "He rented the uniform."
1051
00:53:03,217 --> 00:53:08,531
OK. All right, well, then we'll just have
to assume that twelve years earlier,
1052
00:53:08,619 --> 00:53:10,994
he rented a uniform as a Major.
1053
00:53:10,994 --> 00:53:19,049
With exactly the same decorations.
Hmm.
1054
00:53:19,576 --> 00:53:26,532
She really went to bat, because
everything was sanitized.
1055
00:53:26,532 --> 00:53:28,553
And she admits that her father
was not a good man,
1056
00:53:28,553 --> 00:53:32,400
but everything that he had left her
was wiped out,
1057
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,689
and she lost probably $25-30,000
of her own money,
1058
00:53:37,689 --> 00:53:40,367
and she is dying to testify
before Congress.
1059
00:53:40,367 --> 00:53:46,091
I went out and met with her
in '94... '93, actually...
1060
00:53:46,091 --> 00:53:50,475
and gathered all this information, wrote
my report, talked to the doctors.
1061
00:53:50,475 --> 00:53:55,534
I mean, here's some of his diplomas
from Intelligence School,
1062
00:53:55,534 --> 00:53:56,865
and so on and so forth.
1063
00:53:56,865 --> 00:53:58,706
And he was flying a lot of...
1064
00:53:58,706 --> 00:54:01,154
he was involved with people flying drugs
in and out of Mid-Valley Airport.
1065
00:54:01,154 --> 00:54:03,038
and Mid-Valley is a counterpart to Mena.
1066
00:54:03,038 --> 00:54:05,444
The only reason why Mena is so popular
now is... two reasons:
1067
00:54:05,444 --> 00:54:06,879
because of the size and quanity of drugs,
1068
00:54:06,879 --> 00:54:08,760
and because it was Bill Clinton's state.
1069
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,214
But there are many Menas in this country.
1070
00:54:10,214 --> 00:54:13,034
Don't confuse yourself here, folks.
1071
00:54:13,034 --> 00:54:17,319
Many Menas, everywhere, OK?
1072
00:54:17,319 --> 00:54:21,899
So, after doing all of this investigation,
1073
00:54:21,899 --> 00:54:23,532
photographing everything that I could,
1074
00:54:23,532 --> 00:54:29,086
I said to her, "Well, from my research
and all these years of study,"
1075
00:54:29,086 --> 00:54:32,512
"there's only one guy in the world that
I can think of that you need to talk to"
1076
00:54:32,512 --> 00:54:35,371
"who can help you do anything
about your father's case."
1077
00:54:35,371 --> 00:54:38,805
"His name is Ted Shackley."
1078
00:54:38,805 --> 00:54:40,492
By the way, did you know
that Ted Shackley,
1079
00:54:40,492 --> 00:54:41,970
when Oliver North ran for Senate,
1080
00:54:41,970 --> 00:54:45,206
was leasing Oliver North office space
for, like, five dollars a month?
1081
00:54:45,206 --> 00:54:48,639
No connection, no connection.
1082
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:52,281
So, she finds a guy named
Robert Mayhew
1083
00:54:52,281 --> 00:54:54,250
who's living in New Mexico.
1084
00:54:54,250 --> 00:54:57,860
Mayhew puts her in touch
with Shackley.
1085
00:54:57,860 --> 00:55:01,231
Now, her father's buried, and the
headstone reads, "Staff Sergeant."
1086
00:55:01,231 --> 00:55:04,602
After three years of trying to get that
changed to "Colonel,"
1087
00:55:04,602 --> 00:55:06,530
she calls Ted Shackley.
1088
00:55:06,530 --> 00:55:10,934
Six weeks later, the headstone
says full Colonel.
1089
00:55:10,934 --> 00:55:12,742
We have before and after photographs.
1090
00:55:12,742 --> 00:55:14,543
We have a copy of the order
when she was...
1091
00:55:14,543 --> 00:55:16,636
she's an Italian from Brooklyn:
she stole it.
1092
00:55:16,636 --> 00:55:18,729
What can I tell you? (laughter)
1093
00:55:18,729 --> 00:55:20,823
We have a copy of the order
directing the change, OK?
1094
00:55:20,823 --> 00:55:24,869
No connection. No connection
whatsoever.
1095
00:55:24,869 --> 00:55:29,610
This case, if we pull this one,
we'll really pull it apart.
1096
00:55:29,610 --> 00:55:31,640
But how many cases like that are there?
1097
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:32,587
There's dozens.
1098
00:55:32,587 --> 00:55:35,421
There's dozens and dozens
and dozens of cases.
1099
00:55:35,421 --> 00:55:38,065
I want to talk about one more case.
1100
00:55:38,065 --> 00:55:42,754
Anybody recognize this guy?
1101
00:55:42,754 --> 00:55:44,784
Colonel Jim Sabow.
1102
00:55:44,784 --> 00:55:47,257
Full Colonel, United States Marine Corps.
1103
00:55:47,257 --> 00:55:51,915
Chief of Air Operations,
El Toro Marine Air Station.
1104
00:55:51,915 --> 00:55:53,848
Murdered in 1991.
1105
00:55:53,848 --> 00:55:55,752
Now, what's significant about 1991?
1106
00:55:55,752 --> 00:55:59,021
The Cold War had been over for about
four years, three years.
1107
00:55:59,021 --> 00:56:01,803
Iran-Contra was over.
1108
00:56:01,803 --> 00:56:04,595
Why was he murdered?
1109
00:56:04,595 --> 00:56:08,527
This guy, by the way, was about
as straight-arrow as you can get.
1110
00:56:08,527 --> 00:56:11,888
Devout Roman Catholic. His wife
went to mass every day.
1111
00:56:11,888 --> 00:56:14,757
He went every day that he could.
1112
00:56:14,757 --> 00:56:17,105
The "family man of doom:"
1113
00:56:17,105 --> 00:56:19,453
the best family man you
could ever imagine.
1114
00:56:19,453 --> 00:56:21,802
Spotless Marine Corps record.
1115
00:56:21,802 --> 00:56:27,657
He caught C-130s flying onto El Toro
with thousand-kilo loads of cocaine.
1116
00:56:27,657 --> 00:56:32,500
His brother is one of the main speakers
at our rally on Saturday,
1117
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:35,106
Doctor David Sabow.
1118
00:56:35,106 --> 00:56:39,584
Now, the Naval Investigative Service
said that he committed suicide.
1119
00:56:39,584 --> 00:56:40,848
Now, why did they say
he committed suicide?
1120
00:56:40,848 --> 00:56:44,082
Because he sent a bookcase to his son
on a military flight
1121
00:56:44,082 --> 00:56:47,024
that was flying empty from point A
to point B,
1122
00:56:47,024 --> 00:56:51,705
and they were gonna ruin his career
for that dishonor.
1123
00:56:51,705 --> 00:56:53,026
It happens all the time, folks!
1124
00:56:53,026 --> 00:56:55,708
If the space is empty anyway,
who cares?
1125
00:56:55,708 --> 00:56:58,194
And he says,
"You're not gonna do that to me!"
1126
00:56:58,194 --> 00:57:01,299
He was gonna blow the whistle.
1127
00:57:01,299 --> 00:57:04,707
But according to the Naval Investigative
Service and the Marine Corps,
1128
00:57:04,707 --> 00:57:09,116
Colonel Jim Sabow went out into his
back yard with a 12-gauge shotgun,
1129
00:57:09,116 --> 00:57:13,240
shoved it so hard into his mouth
1130
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:17,309
that he sheared off the uvula
at the back of his throat
1131
00:57:17,309 --> 00:57:19,571
-- now, you know, if you're
gonna commit suicide,
1132
00:57:19,571 --> 00:57:23,689
why would you put yourself through
all that stuff just to commit suicide? --
1133
00:57:23,689 --> 00:57:25,774
The funny thing about the
Sabow murder case
1134
00:57:25,774 --> 00:57:32,322
is that he aspirated blood for ten minutes
after they said he blew his brians out.
1135
00:57:32,322 --> 00:57:33,916
Now, think about that for a minute, folks.
1136
00:57:33,916 --> 00:57:36,111
If you're dead, you're not breathing.
1137
00:57:36,111 --> 00:57:40,226
How can you aspirate blood
after you've killed yourself?
1138
00:57:40,226 --> 00:57:43,407
It's impossible.
1139
00:57:43,407 --> 00:57:47,384
They also found a deep skull fracture
1140
00:57:47,384 --> 00:57:50,559
on the back of the skull, right back here,
1141
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:54,408
with a hematoma. You don't hematoma...
1142
00:57:54,408 --> 00:57:56,950
-- that doesn't sound like a...
it sounds like a dance --
1143
00:57:56,950 --> 00:58:00,681
you don't get hematomas if you're dead.
1144
00:58:00,681 --> 00:58:02,585
That's a result of the body
trying to heal itself
1145
00:58:02,585 --> 00:58:05,199
and fluid rushing to the wound.
1146
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:07,666
Somebody knocked him out -- boom!
1147
00:58:07,666 --> 00:58:12,834
Let him lie on the ground for ten minutes
with a skull fracture, inhaling blood,
1148
00:58:12,834 --> 00:58:17,894
before they shoved a shotgun so hard
down his throat it sheared off his uvula.
1149
00:58:17,894 --> 00:58:19,052
OK?
1150
00:58:19,052 --> 00:58:25,209
This report contains the reports of
eight different forensic pathologists,
1151
00:58:25,209 --> 00:58:28,873
who have all said this man did not
commit suicide: he was murdered.
1152
00:58:28,873 --> 00:58:32,826
The brother, Dr. David Sabow,
is a medical doctor
1153
00:58:32,826 --> 00:58:35,630
who lives in South Dakota.
1154
00:58:35,630 --> 00:58:38,345
He's been fighting this case non-stop
since Jim was murdered.
1155
00:58:38,345 --> 00:58:40,831
And he's winning some cases.
1156
00:58:40,831 --> 00:58:43,268
His attorney now is Daniel Sheehan,
1157
00:58:43,268 --> 00:58:46,319
who people have many
mixed opinions about,
1158
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:48,290
who was the head of the Christic Institute
back in the '80s,
1159
00:58:48,290 --> 00:58:50,123
but Danny's doing a good job
with this case.
1160
00:58:50,123 --> 00:58:52,241
What happened with the Marine Corps
and the Navy
1161
00:58:52,241 --> 00:58:54,069
as Dr. Sabow tried to fight this,
1162
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:58,706
was there were some loyal Marines who
snuck out some records and some notes,
1163
00:58:58,706 --> 00:59:02,375
which said: "Get David Sabow."
1164
00:59:02,375 --> 00:59:04,294
The Marine Corps went after
his medical license,
1165
00:59:04,294 --> 00:59:07,447
saying that people should
do illegal things,
1166
00:59:07,447 --> 00:59:09,701
and of course that didn't go anywhere.
1167
00:59:09,701 --> 00:59:11,969
But they have the documented
records about a strategy
1168
00:59:11,969 --> 00:59:16,892
designed to make Dr. Sabow
lose his medical license.
1169
00:59:17,542 --> 00:59:20,722
They are trying to move ahead with trial,
1170
00:59:20,722 --> 00:59:25,279
and he just won a major decision in
the US Ninth Circuit here in California.
1171
00:59:25,279 --> 00:59:27,396
Not on the CIA issue,
1172
00:59:27,396 --> 00:59:31,934
but granting him broad discovery
to subpoena the military records
1173
00:59:31,934 --> 00:59:40,205
regarding the cocaine activities.
(applause)
1174
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:43,470
Again, David Sabow will be one
of our speakers Saturday,
1175
00:59:43,470 --> 00:59:44,677
as weill Cele Castillo.
1176
00:59:44,677 --> 00:59:46,738
Mike Levine was supposed to come.
1177
00:59:46,738 --> 00:59:50,103
He wound up with a 102
temperature yesterday
1178
00:59:50,103 --> 00:59:52,794
after testifying for about
two weeks in San Diego
1179
00:59:52,794 --> 00:59:55,718
in a case where two agents
murdered a sailor down there,
1180
00:59:55,718 --> 00:59:57,422
and he's been ordered back
to New York to go to bed.
1181
00:59:57,422 --> 00:59:59,499
So we're going to miss Mike,
but he's here in spirit.
1182
00:59:59,499 --> 01:00:04,165
So I guess what I want
to say to you is this:
1183
01:00:04,165 --> 01:00:09,119
this is bigger than any of us think.
1184
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:10,619
They've been flying in drugs
all over this country.
1185
01:00:10,619 --> 01:00:13,138
They've been dealing drugs to Americans
for 40 or 50 years.
1186
01:00:13,138 --> 01:00:18,020
But go back to the analogy that I gave
you before about the drunk on a binge.
1187
01:00:18,020 --> 01:00:20,727
OK? We can see that it's been getting
worse and worse and worse.
1188
01:00:20,727 --> 01:00:23,939
They have utterly corrupted
the criminal justice system.
1189
01:00:23,939 --> 01:00:25,611
When we have a guy like Stanley Sporkin
1190
01:00:25,611 --> 01:00:29,163
sitting on the US District Court
in Washington, DC...
1191
01:00:29,163 --> 01:00:30,737
Do you know who Stanley Sporkin is?
1192
01:00:30,737 --> 01:00:34,606
Retired Chief Counsel for the
Central Intelligence Agency.
1193
01:00:34,606 --> 01:00:37,964
He sits on the bench, on the
US District Court in Washington.
1194
01:00:37,964 --> 01:00:41,866
His email messages read:
"To Stanley from Ollie,"
1195
01:00:41,866 --> 01:00:45,277
during the Iran-Contra era.
1196
01:00:45,277 --> 01:00:49,570
You want to talk about a chokepoint
to control key cases?
1197
01:00:49,570 --> 01:00:51,859
I have spoken to people who used to work
1198
01:00:51,859 --> 01:00:56,146
for a company called eSystems in Texas.
1199
01:00:56,146 --> 01:00:59,197
I see old Bob going crazy over there
about eSystems.
1200
01:00:59,197 --> 01:01:05,032
Their children, one of them had
had her son murdered
1201
01:01:05,032 --> 01:01:06,405
because he discovered eSystems.
1202
01:01:06,405 --> 01:01:12,148
eSystems makes all the encryption
devices for the NSA and CIA.
1203
01:01:12,148 --> 01:01:14,703
There is not a secret that
the government has
1204
01:01:14,703 --> 01:01:16,720
that eSystems does not also have.
1205
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,133
Sitting on the Board of Directors of
eSystems is Admiral William Raborn,
1206
01:01:20,133 --> 01:01:23,604
retired Director of Central Intelligence.
1207
01:01:23,604 --> 01:01:26,071
We have documented eSystems CIA flights
1208
01:01:26,071 --> 01:01:29,280
dropping massive loads of cocaine
into Lake Tawakoni,
1209
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,448
landing at the eSystems airport
in Garland, Texas. OK?
1210
01:01:33,448 --> 01:01:38,140
There is proof. There is an
enormous amount of proof.
1211
01:01:38,140 --> 01:01:42,091
What do we do, OK?
What do we do, all right?
1212
01:01:42,091 --> 01:01:46,718
20 years: I want to share with you
my experience, strength, and hope
1213
01:01:46,718 --> 01:01:48,924
having looked at this for 20 years,
1214
01:01:48,924 --> 01:01:52,312
being a graduate of Political Science
from UCLA,
1215
01:01:52,312 --> 01:01:55,700
having knocked on every door.
1216
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:59,089
There isn't a thing you can think of
that I haven't tried, OK?
1217
01:01:59,089 --> 01:02:01,662
I'm gonna tell you what we do.
1218
01:02:01,662 --> 01:02:02,921
I'll tell you that...
1219
01:02:02,921 --> 01:02:11,808
there were times, for me, in the 20 years,
that I've had incredible depressions,
1220
01:02:11,808 --> 01:02:16,277
incredible heartache, incredible
disillusionment, utter hopelessness,
1221
01:02:16,277 --> 01:02:20,145
knowing that I was going to die
and never see a day of justice.
1222
01:02:20,145 --> 01:02:23,356
And I'll tell you, I think I'm beginning
to understand how a slave felt,
1223
01:02:23,356 --> 01:02:26,287
knowing that he was going to die
1224
01:02:26,287 --> 01:02:31,075
and that neither he nor his children
would have any hope of seeing freedom.
1225
01:02:31,075 --> 01:02:35,029
And there were times when I thought...
1226
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:40,336
and I used to manage the largest gun
store in the state, B&B. (applause)
1227
01:02:40,336 --> 01:02:45,033
-- And I got so much good information
out of B&B!
1228
01:02:45,033 --> 01:02:46,888
Because we'd sell to all these Feds,
and they'd come in.
1229
01:02:46,888 --> 01:02:49,139
I'd say, "Yeah, come on back and shoot
this MP-5." And the guy would just
1230
01:02:49,139 --> 01:02:55,130
start blabbering all kinds of stuff to me.
It was wonderful! --
1231
01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:57,951
There were times when I wanted,
like others
1232
01:02:57,951 --> 01:03:00,772
-- and I will not criticize them --
1233
01:03:00,772 --> 01:03:03,595
to go to the hills.
1234
01:03:03,595 --> 01:03:05,701
I have no family. I've never had children.
1235
01:03:05,701 --> 01:03:10,721
I was told that if I ever had children,
they'd kill 'em.
1236
01:03:10,721 --> 01:03:12,879
And I thought about going to the hills
and giving up,
1237
01:03:12,879 --> 01:03:17,227
and waiting just for a chance
to go out fighting.
1238
01:03:17,227 --> 01:03:19,218
But I will tell you what I have
learned in 20 years:
1239
01:03:19,218 --> 01:03:29,756
that it takes more courage to stand up
and talk than it does to fight.
1240
01:03:31,245 --> 01:03:35,439
(applause)
1241
01:03:35,439 --> 01:03:37,171
What is happening now...
1242
01:03:37,171 --> 01:03:39,784
-- and in a minute or so, I'm going
to turn it over to Mike Novick
1243
01:03:39,784 --> 01:03:41,501
from the Crack the CIA Coalition --
1244
01:03:41,501 --> 01:03:47,107
what I see happening now is a potential
miracle of Biblical proportions.
1245
01:03:47,107 --> 01:03:52,481
I happen to believe in God.
I have a higher power.
1246
01:03:52,481 --> 01:03:59,186
I could not be sober 14 years otherwise.
(applause)
1247
01:03:59,186 --> 01:04:05,366
I do not believe that my God
has ordained, for me, suffering.
1248
01:04:05,366 --> 01:04:08,954
I don't believe that he has ordained
an Armageddon.
1249
01:04:08,954 --> 01:04:11,088
I don't believe that he has asked me
to do anything,
1250
01:04:11,088 --> 01:04:15,312
but to do the right thing in faith
one day at a time.
1251
01:04:15,312 --> 01:04:19,351
What's gonna happen Saturday
is that, in one sense,
1252
01:04:19,351 --> 01:04:22,850
the lion is going to lay down
with the lamb.
1253
01:04:22,850 --> 01:04:25,775
These people who are in the
Crack the CIA coalition
1254
01:04:25,775 --> 01:04:30,040
-- of which I have been a part, now,
for I guess about a month or so?
1255
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,351
Six weeks? Whatever --
1256
01:04:33,351 --> 01:04:36,662
are people you would not ordinarily associate with.
1257
01:04:36,662 --> 01:04:39,975
On a daily basis, I work hand-in-hand
with a former Black Panther.
1258
01:04:39,975 --> 01:04:44,910
There are people from socialist
organizations,
1259
01:04:44,910 --> 01:04:48,947
and there are people from labor parties,
1260
01:04:48,947 --> 01:04:50,635
and there are black militants.
1261
01:04:50,635 --> 01:05:02,267
And there are Indians and Hispanics
and... Democrats! You know? (laughter)
1262
01:05:02,267 --> 01:05:03,661
And I want you to know something:
1263
01:05:03,661 --> 01:05:06,685
these people are standing up for you.
1264
01:05:06,685 --> 01:05:10,172
These people plan to go
to the street to say,
1265
01:05:10,172 --> 01:05:12,441
"CIA is dealing drugs, and it's wrong."
1266
01:05:12,441 --> 01:05:13,636
And they plan to stand up,
1267
01:05:13,636 --> 01:05:15,873
which is the most courageous
thing we can do
1268
01:05:15,873 --> 01:05:19,198
to go to the street and exercise
First Amendment rights.
1269
01:05:19,198 --> 01:05:22,429
And they're doing it for you, and me,
and the stockbrokers in New York,
1270
01:05:22,429 --> 01:05:24,221
and the rich housewives in Saint Louis.
1271
01:05:24,221 --> 01:05:28,924
And they're putting aside all of
their differences, saying,
1272
01:05:28,924 --> 01:05:34,525
"This is not about anything other
than right and wrong." (applause)
1273
01:05:40,571 --> 01:05:47,131
See, what the Agency, what the Shadow
Government has done for so long
1274
01:05:47,131 --> 01:05:49,499
is to pit us against each other:
1275
01:05:49,499 --> 01:05:52,266
black against white, against rich,
against poor,
1276
01:05:52,266 --> 01:05:55,170
against gay, against straight,
against cop...
1277
01:05:55,170 --> 01:05:58,428
We've been turned... you know,
and we react.
1278
01:05:58,428 --> 01:06:01,862
Last night I was on the show, KIEV,
and this guy calls in and goes,
1279
01:06:01,862 --> 01:06:04,526
"Well, it's the Communist conspiracy,"
1280
01:06:04,526 --> 01:06:07,505
"and you've got Tom Hayden
endorsing this, and... my God!"
1281
01:06:07,505 --> 01:06:11,734
And, "They're gonna start violence,
and it's the Communists taking..."
1282
01:06:11,734 --> 01:06:14,535
I said, "Wait a minute.
Hold it just a minute!"
1283
01:06:14,535 --> 01:06:16,765
"You know, sure, there were
Communists,"
1284
01:06:16,765 --> 01:06:18,995
"and they weren't good people."
1285
01:06:18,995 --> 01:06:21,227
"But how about the fact that we brought
all these Gestapo and SS"
1286
01:06:21,227 --> 01:06:26,258
"into our Special Forces and our
Central Intelligence Agency?"
1287
01:06:26,258 --> 01:06:27,962
"Those are Nazis!"
1288
01:06:27,962 --> 01:06:30,648
I said, "Why don't we just do this
like, 'I'm a cop.'"
1289
01:06:30,648 --> 01:06:33,668
"'I don't care what political party
a bad guy belongs to'"
1290
01:06:33,668 --> 01:06:38,056
"'I just want to make the arrest,
you know?'"
1291
01:06:38,056 --> 01:06:42,260
(applause)
1292
01:06:42,260 --> 01:06:45,734
If we can do what I'm hoping
we can do on Saturday,
1293
01:06:45,734 --> 01:06:48,610
we will have 10, 15,000 people
in the streets.
1294
01:06:48,610 --> 01:06:50,744
And I pray to God some of you are there.
1295
01:06:50,744 --> 01:06:52,677
And there are people coming from
various parts of the country,
1296
01:06:52,677 --> 01:06:54,449
and there are people
from the right as well.
1297
01:06:54,449 --> 01:06:57,824
And we can have a show of Americans
1298
01:06:57,824 --> 01:07:02,389
standing up in the street for
American rights,
1299
01:07:02,389 --> 01:07:04,024
So that when we do get justice,
1300
01:07:04,024 --> 01:07:05,955
everybody can go back to
doing their own thing.
1301
01:07:05,955 --> 01:07:16,820
But if we do not hang together,
we shall all surely hang separately. OK?
1302
01:07:16,820 --> 01:07:17,829
(applause)
1303
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:19,915
We're trying to do something
which is really dangerous,
1304
01:07:19,915 --> 01:07:23,718
and if we pull it off, we're gonna
scare the bad guys to death.
1305
01:07:23,718 --> 01:07:25,601
We are gonna make a statement,
1306
01:07:25,601 --> 01:07:27,964
when they look through the crowd
and see who's there,
1307
01:07:27,964 --> 01:07:30,125
and see that we can pull this off
1308
01:07:30,125 --> 01:07:34,475
non-violently, peacefully, with
enthusiasm and cooperation.
1309
01:07:34,475 --> 01:07:37,030
This is something that hasn't been done.
1310
01:07:37,030 --> 01:07:39,534
It takes more courage to stand up
than it does to fight.
1311
01:07:39,534 --> 01:07:42,113
It takes more courage to talk
and to say "I believe,"
1312
01:07:42,113 --> 01:07:45,816
"And I am willing to say you are wrong."
1313
01:07:45,816 --> 01:07:47,293
Because we're afraid of the ostracism:
1314
01:07:47,293 --> 01:07:50,575
well, let's stand up together and see
if we can't change something.
1315
01:07:50,575 --> 01:07:53,169
I want to call upon Mike, and we'll
et him talk for a few minutes.
1316
01:07:53,169 --> 01:07:54,898
Then we'll take questions.
1317
01:07:54,898 --> 01:08:01,433
(applause)
1318
01:08:05,729 --> 01:08:09,416
(Michael Novick) Talk about
a tough act to follow.
1319
01:08:09,416 --> 01:08:13,106
That's a pretty amazing set of facts,
1320
01:08:13,106 --> 01:08:15,308
but really, the life that this
man has lived
1321
01:08:15,308 --> 01:08:17,513
to come to this momement and
be here with us,
1322
01:08:17,513 --> 01:08:18,666
I think is incredible.
1323
01:08:18,666 --> 01:08:21,549
And I really want to thank Mike
for his tremendous courage
1324
01:08:21,549 --> 01:08:25,418
and his openness to just deal with
the truth and the speak the truth
1325
01:08:25,418 --> 01:08:29,050
and the face the consequences of that.
1326
01:08:29,050 --> 01:08:30,517
And I think it's something
we all have to do.
1327
01:08:30,517 --> 01:08:32,983
And I am here, basically, tonight,
1328
01:08:32,983 --> 01:08:35,503
to tell you a little bit about the
Crack the CIA Coalition,
1329
01:08:35,503 --> 01:08:37,381
and about the demonstration.
1330
01:08:37,381 --> 01:08:40,977
There are flyers here, and we'd like
to urge you to take some flyers
1331
01:08:40,977 --> 01:08:43,191
and pass them out in the next day or two
to bring people.
1332
01:08:43,191 --> 01:08:47,148
We want this to be as massive
and as broad
1333
01:08:47,148 --> 01:08:50,666
and as open and as democratic a
demonstration as it's possible to have.
1334
01:08:50,666 --> 01:08:54,390
We have a set of principles of unity,
1335
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:58,095
and the principles are that
we are opposed
1336
01:08:58,095 --> 01:09:00,172
to the crimes that the CIA
has committed
1337
01:09:00,172 --> 01:09:01,605
against the people of this country
1338
01:09:01,605 --> 01:09:02,988
and against other people
around the world,
1339
01:09:02,988 --> 01:09:05,539
and I think one of the things
1340
01:09:05,539 --> 01:09:08,377
that has become very clear to us
in doing this work
1341
01:09:08,377 --> 01:09:12,566
is that it's impossible to protect
ourselves, somehow
1342
01:09:12,566 --> 01:09:15,641
by the use of agencies like the CIA.
1343
01:09:15,641 --> 01:09:19,813
Because the crimes that they carry out,
supposedly, in our name,
1344
01:09:19,813 --> 01:09:22,032
somehow to protect the
American way of life,
1345
01:09:22,032 --> 01:09:25,176
are crimes committed against us
every single day.
1346
01:09:25,176 --> 01:09:27,444
And that the crimes they committed
in Nicaragua,
1347
01:09:27,444 --> 01:09:30,434
and the crimes they committed
in other parts of the world
1348
01:09:30,434 --> 01:09:34,207
inevitably are going to affect us.
1349
01:09:34,207 --> 01:09:37,593
And we see the destruction they've
created, the devastation,
1350
01:09:37,593 --> 01:09:39,727
not only in South-Central Los Angeles,
1351
01:09:39,727 --> 01:09:42,283
but in every village and hamlet
in this country.
1352
01:09:42,283 --> 01:09:44,370
And crack is not something,
now, they thought
1353
01:09:44,370 --> 01:09:48,147
that they could dump in one community
and somehow destroy that community
1354
01:09:48,147 --> 01:09:51,111
and not have it spread out
throughout the society.
1355
01:09:51,111 --> 01:09:56,758
So we're seeing the tremendous
connections between what's going on.
1356
01:09:56,758 --> 01:10:02,575
And people here, I know, have
no love for Bill Clinton, I'm sure.
1357
01:10:02,575 --> 01:10:07,578
And I think it's important to understand
that the people in this coalition
1358
01:10:07,578 --> 01:10:14,420
are not in any way part of the coalition
that Bill Clinton represents.
1359
01:10:14,420 --> 01:10:16,925
The people in this coalition
are a coalition
1360
01:10:16,925 --> 01:10:19,437
of forces trying to claim their
humanity, defend themselves,
1361
01:10:19,437 --> 01:10:23,931
to recognize the need for solidarity
to deal with this.
1362
01:10:23,931 --> 01:10:27,609
And I've been on talk radio,
and I used that word once,
1363
01:10:27,609 --> 01:10:32,376
and somebody said, "When I hear that
word, solidarity, I wanna lock and load."
1364
01:10:32,376 --> 01:10:33,310
(laughter)
1365
01:10:33,310 --> 01:10:36,522
But I'm telling you that that's
what you need.
1366
01:10:36,522 --> 01:10:38,524
That if you want to deal with the CIA,
1367
01:10:38,524 --> 01:10:39,849
if you want to deal with Bill Clinton,
1368
01:10:39,849 --> 01:10:42,405
you have to recognize what they're about.
1369
01:10:42,405 --> 01:10:44,957
And they're about an empire.
1370
01:10:44,957 --> 01:10:46,925
And the problem with Bill Clinton is
not whether you think he's a socialist
1371
01:10:46,925 --> 01:10:48,343
or you think he's a moderate,
1372
01:10:48,343 --> 01:10:49,381
or you think he's this or that.
1373
01:10:49,381 --> 01:10:52,244
Bill Clinton is an emperor,
1374
01:10:52,244 --> 01:10:54,229
and that's the problem with Bill Clinton.
1375
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:57,249
And Bill Clinton wants you
to be subjects of his empire.
1376
01:10:57,249 --> 01:11:00,527
And if you want to have any other status
than as a subject of that empire,
1377
01:11:00,527 --> 01:11:03,973
then you have to stand with the former
Black Panthers in this coalition,
1378
01:11:03,973 --> 01:11:06,285
and you have to stand up on Saturday
1379
01:11:06,285 --> 01:11:10,786
and say that Bill Clinton and the CIA are
not committing these crimes your names
1380
01:11:10,786 --> 01:11:12,046
or in our names,
1381
01:11:12,046 --> 01:11:15,134
and if we want to protect ourselves
from those criminals,
1382
01:11:15,134 --> 01:11:19,552
we have to take action with all the
good people of South Central,
1383
01:11:19,552 --> 01:11:20,950
the good people of East Los Angeles,
1384
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:24,555
the good people of the San Fernando
Valley have to stand up together,
1385
01:11:24,555 --> 01:11:29,401
and say, "We want a different
and a better world together."
1386
01:11:29,401 --> 01:11:32,540
So I would like to urge you
to come out on Saturday.
1387
01:11:32,540 --> 01:11:35,816
I would also like to urge you, if you
have some funds to make available,
1388
01:11:35,816 --> 01:11:39,267
I know that you all have your own needs
and demands,
1389
01:11:39,267 --> 01:11:41,280
but as a representative of this coalition,
1390
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,361
I'd like to give you the address
for a moment.
1391
01:11:44,361 --> 01:11:47,030
We have a PO Box.
1392
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:49,398
it's the Crack the CIA Coalition,
1393
01:11:49,398 --> 01:11:53,107
and it's PO Box 191601,
1394
01:11:53,107 --> 01:11:55,832
Los Angeles, California, 90019.
1395
01:11:55,832 --> 01:12:00,383
We've been fronting out money to
bring Cele Castillo to Los Angeles,
1396
01:12:00,383 --> 01:12:05,522
to bring Dr. David Sabow from
South Dakota to Los Angeles,
1397
01:12:05,522 --> 01:12:07,659
to bring documentation information
1398
01:12:07,659 --> 01:12:09,143
and to put on this demonstration,
1399
01:12:09,143 --> 01:12:11,893
and so we want you definitely
to come out and support.
1400
01:12:11,893 --> 01:12:13,776
We want you to be a part
of this process.
1401
01:12:13,776 --> 01:12:15,529
We are not stopping with the
demonstration tomorrow.
1402
01:12:15,529 --> 01:12:15,924
The demonstration tomorrow
is the beginning.
1403
01:12:15,924 --> 01:12:19,095
We are co-sponsoring on March 15th
1404
01:12:19,095 --> 01:12:21,556
-- and everyone here is certainly
welcome to come --
1405
01:12:21,556 --> 01:12:24,148
a teach-in on all of this material
1406
01:12:24,148 --> 01:12:28,127
at Fairfax High School in the
city of Los Angeles.
1407
01:12:28,127 --> 01:12:33,066
That will be beginning, I believe,
at eleven o'clock on March 15th,
1408
01:12:33,066 --> 01:12:34,678
which is a Saturday in
about three weeks.
1409
01:12:34,678 --> 01:12:38,041
We're gonna be having
Peter Dale Scott,
1410
01:12:38,041 --> 01:12:40,824
the author of the books that
Mike Ruppert mentioned,
1411
01:12:40,824 --> 01:12:41,943
the Cocaine Politics.
1412
01:12:41,943 --> 01:12:43,892
We're gonna be having
Dr. Alfred McCoy,
1413
01:12:43,892 --> 01:12:46,343
the author of the leading
book on this,
1414
01:12:46,343 --> 01:12:47,994
what he referred as "the Bible."
1415
01:12:47,994 --> 01:12:49,496
And all of this effort is the effort
1416
01:12:49,496 --> 01:12:53,705
to expose these truths and these
realities to all of you
1417
01:12:53,705 --> 01:12:55,646
and to the rest of us,
to educate ourselves,
1418
01:12:55,646 --> 01:12:59,879
to mobilize ourselves and to support
each other in this movement.
1419
01:12:59,879 --> 01:13:01,375
And that's what it's going to take.
1420
01:13:01,375 --> 01:13:02,485
It's going to take a movement to resist,
1421
01:13:02,485 --> 01:13:04,993
to counter the lies,
1422
01:13:04,993 --> 01:13:07,215
and to expose ourselves
to some truth that...
1423
01:13:07,215 --> 01:13:14,389
people here certainly understand
what's disseminated in the media
1424
01:13:14,389 --> 01:13:17,195
bears very little relation to reality.
1425
01:13:17,195 --> 01:13:19,269
but you might want to re-think
some of the things
1426
01:13:19,269 --> 01:13:21,214
that you have absorbed from
those same media,
1427
01:13:21,214 --> 01:13:27,246
criminalizing and castigating and
demonizing people on the left
1428
01:13:27,246 --> 01:13:29,984
who might have something to share
and something to offer you.
1429
01:13:29,984 --> 01:13:31,637
Demonizing people who have stood up:
1430
01:13:31,637 --> 01:13:33,725
there's a man named Michael Zinzun,
for example,
1431
01:13:33,725 --> 01:13:35,768
who is involved with the gang truce,
1432
01:13:35,768 --> 01:13:37,498
a former Black Panther. Not closely
involved in this coalition,
1433
01:13:37,498 --> 01:13:43,059
but he is somebody who... files
were taken out of the LAPD
1434
01:13:43,059 --> 01:13:47,069
to prevent him from running for
the City Council in Pasadena.
1435
01:13:47,069 --> 01:13:49,998
These crimes go on and on and on,
1436
01:13:49,998 --> 01:13:54,627
and they will not be stopped unless
people stand up and say, "No more."
1437
01:13:54,627 --> 01:13:57,407
So we're trying to do that on one
particular day,
1438
01:13:57,407 --> 01:13:59,087
but in a very long-term way.
1439
01:13:59,087 --> 01:14:01,635
And we're happy to dialogue
about these things.
1440
01:14:01,635 --> 01:14:03,164
And I think you for the time.
1441
01:14:03,164 --> 01:14:05,104
I thank Michael for his tremendous
presentation,
1442
01:14:05,104 --> 01:14:10,055
and I think we owe him a
tremendous debt of gratitude.
1443
01:14:10,055 --> 01:14:18,338
(applause)
1444
01:14:18,338 --> 01:14:19,617
OK, we're gonna have questions.
1445
01:14:19,617 --> 01:14:21,392
Questions from the back of the room.
1446
01:14:21,392 --> 01:14:22,576
So those of you who have questions
1447
01:14:22,576 --> 01:14:24,560
Mike will be glad to try
and answer for you.
1448
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,503
So please feel free to...
1449
01:14:26,503 --> 01:14:28,198
I'm sorry, the leaflet actually
(xx) asked:
1450
01:14:28,198 --> 01:14:30,482
Twelve Noon at City Hall,
Downtown Los Angeles,
1451
01:14:30,482 --> 01:14:32,766
First and Spring Street.
1452
01:14:32,766 --> 01:14:35,051
We'll be marching from there
to the LA Times,
1453
01:14:35,051 --> 01:14:37,607
to the Los Angeles Federal Building,
1454
01:14:37,607 --> 01:14:39,757
and then back for a rally at City Hall.
1455
01:14:39,757 --> 01:14:42,500
(inaudible off-mic)
1456
01:14:42,500 --> 01:14:44,075
We have a permit. We obtained a permit.
1457
01:14:44,075 --> 01:14:47,433
We are marching with police
at a distance,
1458
01:14:47,433 --> 01:14:52,030
But it's a complely legal march;
1459
01:14:52,030 --> 01:14:54,394
it's a completely non-violent march.
1460
01:14:54,394 --> 01:14:56,841
We're there to express these truths
1461
01:14:56,841 --> 01:15:01,406
and to take a stand on these issues.
1462
01:15:01,406 --> 01:15:02,259
(Woman) Mr. Ruppert?
1463
01:15:02,259 --> 01:15:03,097
Yes.
1464
01:15:03,097 --> 01:15:04,899
(Woman) You mentioned the
Secret Government.
1465
01:15:04,899 --> 01:15:09,192
(Woman) Do you see the CIA
as the ultimate executive?
1466
01:15:09,192 --> 01:15:16,305
(Woman) Or who is the ultimate executive
behind the wrongdoing we see?
1467
01:15:16,305 --> 01:15:20,153
I tend to be, when I answer... well,
I'm always asked this question.
1468
01:15:20,153 --> 01:15:22,459
And I tend to.. I try to be
fairly conservative,
1469
01:15:22,459 --> 01:15:24,775
because I try to approach this
as a detective
1470
01:15:24,775 --> 01:15:27,085
and answer with evidence that I have.
1471
01:15:27,085 --> 01:15:34,448
If you'll recall, I mentioned Paul Jabber,
the UCLA Political Science professor?
1472
01:15:34,448 --> 01:15:37,176
Shortly after I met with him,
he left UCLA
1473
01:15:37,176 --> 01:15:41,607
to become Vice-President
of Banker's Trust
1474
01:15:41,607 --> 01:15:44,336
He took over as Chair of the
Middle East Department
1475
01:15:44,336 --> 01:15:46,786
of the Council on Foreign Relations.
1476
01:15:46,786 --> 01:15:51,810
That's where I see a lot of this going.
1477
01:15:51,810 --> 01:15:54,555
The more I try, logically, as a detective,
1478
01:15:54,555 --> 01:16:00,129
using intuitive inductive logic
to get to the bottom of this,
1479
01:16:00,129 --> 01:16:02,458
I come to banks. that's where I come.
1480
01:16:02,458 --> 01:16:03,848
I come to banks.
1481
01:16:03,848 --> 01:16:05,808
And of course, most of the banks
are foreign-owned.
1482
01:16:05,808 --> 01:16:06,605
Especially...
1483
01:16:06,605 --> 01:16:07,968
(Man off-mic) Follow the money.
1484
01:16:07,968 --> 01:16:09,200
Follow the money. That's the bottom line.
1485
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:13,856
(Woman) Do you know if Brian Quaig
(sp) is all right? I assume you know him?
1486
01:16:13,856 --> 01:16:14,794
Who?
1487
01:16:14,794 --> 01:16:18,098
(Woman) Brian Quaig of Phoenix?
He's the one with the Internet site
1488
01:16:18,098 --> 01:16:20,992
with all of the material that you have
been speaking about this evening?
1489
01:16:20,992 --> 01:16:22,735
Yeah, I'm not familiar with him.
1490
01:16:22,735 --> 01:16:24,044
(Woman) Oh, you don't know him?
1491
01:16:24,044 --> 01:16:24,739
No.
1492
01:16:24,739 --> 01:16:26,940
(Woman) The book, LA's Secret Police,
1493
01:16:26,940 --> 01:16:28,047
Mike Rothmiller
1494
01:16:28,047 --> 01:16:29,404
(Woman) Is that fairly accurate?
1495
01:16:29,404 --> 01:16:30,659
Yes, I know Mike Rothmiller.
1496
01:16:30,659 --> 01:16:35,449
And what's interesting about that is that
Mike touched on a couple of things.
1497
01:16:35,449 --> 01:16:39,118
LAPD has been heavily, heavily
infiltrated by CIA for a long time.
1498
01:16:39,118 --> 01:16:41,095
Bill Parker, who was a
legendary Chief here,
1499
01:16:41,095 --> 01:16:42,853
hated the FBI.
1500
01:16:42,853 --> 01:16:47,624
And he invited CIA lock, stock, and barrel
to come in to LAPD.
1501
01:16:47,624 --> 01:16:50,746
And there are documented cases
during the Iran-Contra era
1502
01:16:50,746 --> 01:16:53,359
of one detective named Hamilton,
1503
01:16:53,359 --> 01:16:55,395
of Organized Crime Intelligence,
coming off an airplane
1504
01:16:55,395 --> 01:17:01,720
with the Mexico City Chief of Police
Arturo Durazo
1505
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,997
-- who was under indictment
for drug corruption --
1506
01:17:03,997 --> 01:17:06,068
from The Bahamas.
1507
01:17:06,068 --> 01:17:08,955
What's an LAPD detective doing with
the Mexico City Chief of Police
1508
01:17:08,955 --> 01:17:10,960
on a flight from The Bahamas?
1509
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:16,194
Daryl Gates made a statement in 1992
1510
01:17:16,194 --> 01:17:19,483
that the only position he would
consider in a second Bush term
1511
01:17:19,483 --> 01:17:22,224
would be Director of Central Intelligence.
1512
01:17:22,224 --> 01:17:26,445
My question for Daryl is: what
are your qualifications?
1513
01:17:26,445 --> 01:17:29,795
Mike Rothmiller's book is good.
1514
01:17:29,795 --> 01:17:31,195
He kind of stopped short
of some other things,
1515
01:17:31,195 --> 01:17:33,403
but he and I have spoken
many, many times.
1516
01:17:33,403 --> 01:17:35,803
So, yes, it's a good book.
1517
01:17:35,803 --> 01:17:44,100
(Man) Yes: I wonder what your opinion is
of the...
1518
01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:46,929
(Man) -- I haven't heard you mention this,
and I'm wondering why --
1519
01:17:46,929 --> 01:17:49,492
(Man) the... kind of pulls the rug out
1520
01:17:49,492 --> 01:17:53,381
(Man) of all the law enforcement agencies
around the country,
1521
01:17:53,381 --> 01:17:57,928
(Man) and has been advocated by the...
1522
01:17:57,928 --> 01:18:09,295
(Man) many judges, and many doctors,
and Jocelyn Elder,
1523
01:18:09,295 --> 01:18:16,045
(Man) and... is... the answer is the
legalization of drugs.
1524
01:18:16,045 --> 01:18:20,160
(Man) And, when... a lot of people here
might not understand:
1525
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,506
(Man) what I mean by this, is that I'm not
advocating the use of drugs;
1526
01:18:23,506 --> 01:18:26,951
(Man) but by the legalization of drugs,
1527
01:18:26,951 --> 01:18:30,396
(Man) we're talking about many solutions
for many problems,
1528
01:18:30,396 --> 01:18:33,843
(Man) in that many people, billions of dollars
1529
01:18:33,843 --> 01:18:39,603
(Man) that are spent chasing down criminals
are freed up,
1530
01:18:39,603 --> 01:18:48,669
(Man) and that many crimes committed
by these so-called druggies
1531
01:18:48,669 --> 01:18:51,410
(Man) aren't committed because
it's legally gotten.
1532
01:18:51,410 --> 01:18:53,091
(Man) I was just wondering what your opinion...
1533
01:18:53,091 --> 01:18:56,778
(Man) I mean, it's just a simple solution
for a whole lot of problems,
1534
01:18:56,778 --> 01:18:58,841
(Man) and I'm hoping everyone here
thinks on this for a while,
1535
01:18:58,841 --> 01:19:01,151
(Man) because it is the awesome
solution for
1536
01:19:01,151 --> 01:19:03,461
(Man) a whole lot of awesome problems.
1537
01:19:03,461 --> 01:19:05,773
(Michael) I have thought about this a lot,
and I will say that as a cop,
1538
01:19:05,773 --> 01:19:13,539
what really makes me feel good
is when I hurt the bad guys.
1539
01:19:13,539 --> 01:19:17,156
I'm sorry, that's the way
I feel in my gut.
1540
01:19:17,156 --> 01:19:24,118
The way we hurt the bootleggers
was to legalize alcohol.
1541
01:19:24,118 --> 01:19:27,212
I do not advocate, necessarily,
legalizing drugs, but
1542
01:19:27,212 --> 01:19:33,398
maybe in certain cases decriminalizing
drugs might be an answer.
1543
01:19:33,398 --> 01:19:40,108
However, we're dealing with
a situation, historically,
1544
01:19:40,108 --> 01:19:46,081
the British in the 1800s established their
whole economy on a trilateral trade:
1545
01:19:46,081 --> 01:19:50,710
growing opium in India, selling it
to the Chinese, getting silk,
1546
01:19:50,710 --> 01:19:54,556
taking it back to Britain,
and making textiles.
1547
01:19:54,556 --> 01:19:58,286
And that set up the cash flow of the
British economy. That's the model.
1548
01:19:58,286 --> 01:20:01,369
The different is, now, that we're
poisoning ourselves.
1549
01:20:01,369 --> 01:20:03,082
Which is really ugly, OK?
1550
01:20:03,082 --> 01:20:04,764
But there was a report
1551
01:20:04,764 --> 01:20:08,078
-- which I have not seen, but several
Congressional staffers who I know...
1552
01:20:08,078 --> 01:20:10,149
and Bob, if he's still here,
probably knows it, too --
1553
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:14,098
prepared by the House Banking
Committee chaired by Henry Gonzales,
1554
01:20:14,098 --> 01:20:16,984
which said something like if all
the drug money were withdrawn,
1555
01:20:16,984 --> 01:20:21,357
the eight largest banks in the Western
Hemisphere would collapse.
1556
01:20:21,357 --> 01:20:22,390
That would create a depression
1557
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:25,513
the likes of which this country
has never seen before.
1558
01:20:25,513 --> 01:20:29,968
So we have to use some thought in,
really, how we approach the problem.
1559
01:20:29,968 --> 01:20:31,553
So, anyway...
1560
01:20:31,553 --> 01:20:33,478
(Man) Yes: The problem is not the CIA;
1561
01:20:33,478 --> 01:20:38,085
(Man) The problem is organized crime,
the Democrat and Republican Party,
1562
01:20:38,085 --> 01:20:42,310
(Man) and the real problem is that
we do not have a policy
1563
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:44,903
(Man) of putting the cocaine cartel
out of business
1564
01:20:44,903 --> 01:20:46,940
(Man) and destroying the cocaine cartel.
1565
01:20:46,940 --> 01:20:49,264
(Man) Instead, you're destroying
the American people.
1566
01:20:49,264 --> 01:20:52,272
(Man) My question is, why aren't you
putting the blame
1567
01:20:52,272 --> 01:20:54,417
(Man) on the Democrat and Republican
Party and organized crime,
1568
01:20:54,417 --> 01:20:56,446
(Man) and why aren't you pointing
out that we have no policy
1569
01:20:56,446 --> 01:20:58,456
(Man) to destroy the cocaine cartel?
1570
01:20:58,456 --> 01:21:03,344
(Man) That's what you should be using
the opportunity Saturday morning for.
1571
01:21:03,344 --> 01:21:05,139
I just was pointing out about a guy
with a phone book
1572
01:21:05,139 --> 01:21:06,702
with Paulie Castellano and all that,
1573
01:21:06,702 --> 01:21:09,621
so I think I was talking about
organized crime. Yes?
1574
01:21:09,621 --> 01:21:14,331
(Woman) Yes. Last night on Peter Ford's
show, you mentioned
1575
01:21:14,331 --> 01:21:18,520
(Woman) that you'd sent the material to
Ross Perot, and he had called you twice,
1576
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,448
(Woman) but I don't know what he said.
1577
01:21:20,448 --> 01:21:22,599
(Woman) Can you elaborate a little more
on that conversation?
1578
01:21:22,599 --> 01:21:25,766
Yeah. And, again, from the
Los Angeles Times,
1579
01:21:25,766 --> 01:21:33,324
This is what I do when I'm around the press.
1580
01:21:33,324 --> 01:21:35,486
I've been published in the
Los Angeles Times.
1581
01:21:35,486 --> 01:21:39,756
I don't say anything unless I have it
right in my hand to back it up.
1582
01:21:39,756 --> 01:21:44,806
The Los Angeles Times ran this story
in 1987, January, about Ross Perot
1583
01:21:44,806 --> 01:21:47,092
backing Richard Armitage into a corner.
1584
01:21:47,092 --> 01:21:51,523
If anybody knows Richard Armitage,
he's 6'4" and benchpresses 430 pounds.
1585
01:21:51,523 --> 01:21:54,413
And this short little floppy-eared Texan
with a big nose
1586
01:21:54,413 --> 01:21:58,221
got him in a hallway in the Pentagon
and backed him into a corner.
1587
01:21:58,221 --> 01:22:02,499
And the issue was CIA dealing drugs,
Armitage's involvement,
1588
01:22:02,499 --> 01:22:05,717
and the POWs connected in Laos
who were left behind.
1589
01:22:05,717 --> 01:22:08,696
(Man) Oh, yeah! (brief applause)
1590
01:22:08,696 --> 01:22:12,303
Ross Perot was sent to go see
Vice-President George Bush.
1591
01:22:12,303 --> 01:22:17,702
And Bush said, "Go see the FBI," and
threw him out of the White House.
1592
01:22:17,702 --> 01:22:22,334
Ross Perot cost Bush the
1992 election, OK?
1593
01:22:22,334 --> 01:22:25,170
Now, I wrote to Ross Perot in 1990,
1594
01:22:25,170 --> 01:22:28,517
and I sent him all the stuff and my
stories and everything,
1595
01:22:28,517 --> 01:22:30,838
and one day the phone rings,
and it goes,
1596
01:22:30,838 --> 01:22:33,042
(Ross Perot Impression): "Mr. Ruppert?
This is Ross Perot. How are yeh?"
1597
01:22:33,042 --> 01:22:35,788
And I'm going, "Jesus!" You know?
1598
01:22:35,788 --> 01:22:37,369
And I just came out of my chair that
it was him. (laughter)
1599
01:22:37,369 --> 01:22:39,939
And said, "I want you to know that I've
read every word that you have sent me,"
1600
01:22:39,939 --> 01:22:43,104
"And no one has pursued this longer
or harder than you have."
1601
01:22:43,104 --> 01:22:46,002
"You should give it up." (laughter)
1602
01:22:46,002 --> 01:22:49,604
He said, "I must know 20 or 30
former military officers"
1603
01:22:49,604 --> 01:22:52,657
"and law enforcement officers who
discovered the same thing,"
1604
01:22:52,657 --> 01:22:54,781
"and they all had their careers ruined,
their lives ruined."
1605
01:22:54,781 --> 01:22:57,637
"They do the same thing to everybody"
1606
01:22:57,637 --> 01:22:59,249
"You'd think they'd try
something different."
1607
01:22:59,249 --> 01:23:00,828
I do a pretty good Ross Perot
after all this time.
1608
01:23:00,828 --> 01:23:07,145
And he said, "But they don't
because it works."
1609
01:23:07,145 --> 01:23:08,864
And then Ross Perot said to me,
1610
01:23:08,864 --> 01:23:11,654
"Mike, even with all of my resources,"
1611
01:23:11,654 --> 01:23:17,375
"I don't know why I pursue it:
I can't get anywhere."
1612
01:23:17,375 --> 01:23:22,497
The answer is people in the street.
1613
01:23:22,497 --> 01:23:27,969
The answer is people standing up
together expressing their will, OK?
1614
01:23:27,969 --> 01:23:29,453
Now, I'll tell you a little secret:
1615
01:23:29,453 --> 01:23:33,398
I was the press spokesman for
the Perot movement in '92
1616
01:23:33,398 --> 01:23:36,094
here in Los Angeles County.
1617
01:23:36,094 --> 01:23:40,543
Now, I've parted ways with Ross just
because of the way he pulled out,
1618
01:23:40,543 --> 01:23:42,584
and I'm not gonna go into that now.
1619
01:23:42,584 --> 01:23:46,373
But what I saw in 1992, we had
a little headquarters
1620
01:23:46,373 --> 01:23:49,031
on Ventura Boulevard in Sherman Oaks.
1621
01:23:49,031 --> 01:23:55,828
We had a list of 15,000 names of people
who wanted to volunteer:
1622
01:23:55,828 --> 01:23:58,644
people who had never voted before
in their lives;
1623
01:23:58,644 --> 01:24:02,068
people who had never held any hope
that there was any way that their voice
1624
01:24:02,068 --> 01:24:03,662
could be heard in this country.
1625
01:24:03,662 --> 01:24:08,301
And what Ross Perot did was to tap
into that wellspring of disconcent
1626
01:24:08,301 --> 01:24:10,995
which is lying just beneath the surface
in this country.
1627
01:24:10,995 --> 01:24:14,695
And that's what we're trying to do with
this rally and with this demonstration.
1628
01:24:14,695 --> 01:24:15,800
It's there.
1629
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,559
We want to reach that critical mass,
1630
01:24:17,559 --> 01:24:19,888
so that the people who know, or suspect,
1631
01:24:19,888 --> 01:24:22,514
or just feel in their gut that something's
wrong will come forward.
1632
01:24:22,514 --> 01:24:26,162
(Man) Mr. Ruppert, I hope that
I'm not going over
1633
01:24:26,162 --> 01:24:29,610
(Man) something that you already
covered; but I came in late tonight.
1634
01:24:29,610 --> 01:24:35,336
(Man) Daryl Gates made a statement
that he was part of the CIA.
1635
01:24:35,336 --> 01:24:42,578
(Man) Did you cover that, or do
you know? And if so, what was his job,
1636
01:24:42,578 --> 01:24:44,523
(Man) or what was he doing?
1637
01:24:44,523 --> 01:24:46,726
In 1962, I believe it was,
1638
01:24:46,726 --> 01:24:49,226
Daryl Gates was Captain of LAPD's
Intelligence Division,
1639
01:24:49,226 --> 01:24:51,538
and there's a well-respected author
named Bill Turner,
1640
01:24:51,538 --> 01:24:54,464
who's a former FBI agent who's
written a number of books.
1641
01:24:54,464 --> 01:24:56,681
And he describes this incident where
a guy named Dennis Mauer (sp)
1642
01:24:56,681 --> 01:25:02,505
was out with a bunch of right-wing paramiltary guys
1643
01:25:02,505 --> 01:25:05,323
in the desert way north of Lancaster.
1644
01:25:05,323 --> 01:25:06,649
And they were throwing
hand grenades around,
1645
01:25:06,649 --> 01:25:08,990
and shooting machine guns,
and having fun.
1646
01:25:08,990 --> 01:25:13,503
And up rose Captain Daryl Gates
of LAPD's Intelligence Division,
1647
01:25:13,503 --> 01:25:17,446
way out of his jurisdiction, and says,
"Knock it off!"
1648
01:25:17,446 --> 01:25:18,811
And they said to Daryl Gates,
"Well, it's OK."
1649
01:25:18,811 --> 01:25:21,475
"CIA told us we could be here.
They gave us the stuff.'
1650
01:25:21,475 --> 01:25:27,245
And he said, "Screw you!"
"I am CIA, and I'm telling you to stop!"
1651
01:25:27,245 --> 01:25:28,818
Well, there was an undercover
Long Beach policeman in that group
1652
01:25:28,818 --> 01:25:30,896
who wrote a report which
made it into the file.
1653
01:25:30,896 --> 01:25:33,342
So that was the answer to that question,.
1654
01:25:33,342 --> 01:25:36,814
(Man) Mr. Ruppert?
1655
01:25:36,814 --> 01:25:37,965
Yes.
1656
01:25:37,965 --> 01:25:41,341
(Man) I wonder if you could comment
on reports that I have heard
1657
01:25:41,341 --> 01:25:44,595
(Man) that a great deal of the money
funding, and indeed creating,
1658
01:25:44,595 --> 01:25:46,712
(Man) National Coalition
to Ban Handguns,
1659
01:25:46,712 --> 01:25:51,053
(Man) Handgun Control, Incorporated,
and various other activist groups
1660
01:25:51,053 --> 01:25:55,582
(Man) and individuals in the
gun-grabbing, anti-Constitutional
1661
01:25:55,582 --> 01:26:01,057
(Man) so-called gun control movement,
actually has its souce
1662
01:26:01,057 --> 01:26:06,064
(Man) in CIA-affiliated and CIA front
organizations,
1663
01:26:06,064 --> 01:26:10,010
(Man) as part of a calculated program
to disarm the American people.
1664
01:26:10,010 --> 01:26:13,142
I have not seen any direct
evidence of that,
1665
01:26:13,142 --> 01:26:15,888
but I fall back on the old line:
1666
01:26:15,888 --> 01:26:17,922
"If it walks like a duck and it
quacks like a duck,"
1667
01:26:17,922 --> 01:26:21,477
"and there's duck feathers everywhere,
then we've probably got a duck."
1668
01:26:21,477 --> 01:26:26,454
One of the things I study a lot is
something called the Hegelian Dialectic,
1669
01:26:26,454 --> 01:26:29,583
which says you create a problem,
1670
01:26:29,583 --> 01:26:32,672
and then you solve the problem,
1671
01:26:32,672 --> 01:26:34,689
and in solving the problem,
you get the end result
1672
01:26:34,689 --> 01:26:37,795
that you were after to begin with.
1673
01:26:37,795 --> 01:26:39,921
(Man) (inaudible)
1674
01:26:39,921 --> 01:26:43,837
Nobody can dispute...
1675
01:26:43,837 --> 01:26:46,814
(Man) (inaudible)
1676
01:26:46,814 --> 01:26:52,555
Nobody can dispute the fact that
we have seen utterly repressive laws,
1677
01:26:52,555 --> 01:26:54,790
especially vis-a-vis asset forfeiture,
1678
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:57,205
being imposed up on us:
1679
01:26:57,205 --> 01:26:59,690
laws which begin to scare me.
1680
01:26:59,690 --> 01:27:02,518
And I have interviewed a guy
whose father
1681
01:27:02,518 --> 01:27:05,197
was a high-ranking official
in the Abwehr,
1682
01:27:05,197 --> 01:27:10,883
which was Adolph Hitler's intelligence
service, who was... his grandfather.
1683
01:27:10,883 --> 01:27:12,296
And he used to tell his grandson
1684
01:27:12,296 --> 01:27:13,709
-- who is now a very good
friend of mine --
1685
01:27:13,709 --> 01:27:15,122
(German accent) "We didn't lose
the Second World War;"
1686
01:27:15,122 --> 01:27:17,601
"we just changed venues."
1687
01:27:17,601 --> 01:27:21,571
OK? So it's beginning to sound
like that here, yes. (applause)
1688
01:27:21,571 --> 01:27:23,654
(Man) Yes, Mr. Ruppert: you mentioned
earlier that our economy
1689
01:27:23,654 --> 01:27:25,284
(Man) has become hooked on drugs.
1690
01:27:25,284 --> 01:27:28,642
(Man) I wonder to what degree
our major political parties
1691
01:27:28,642 --> 01:27:30,515
(Man) have become hooked as well.
1692
01:27:30,515 --> 01:27:33,410
(Man) How much drug money has flowed
1693
01:27:33,410 --> 01:27:38,648
(Man) into campaign contributions,
do you think?
1694
01:27:38,648 --> 01:27:40,653
Again, I don't have any direct
information on that;
1695
01:27:40,653 --> 01:27:43,117
and I really only answer stuff
that I know directly.
1696
01:27:43,117 --> 01:27:44,479
But there is so much drug money...
1697
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,481
I mean, if you look at what
happened in Mena,
1698
01:27:46,481 --> 01:27:48,422
there are two retired
Army CID investigators,
1699
01:27:48,422 --> 01:27:53,099
of which Gene Wheaton is very public
-- and I known Gene well --
1700
01:27:53,099 --> 01:27:56,270
who estimate the amount of drug
money flowing through Mena
1701
01:27:56,270 --> 01:27:57,694
at $40 million a month,
1702
01:27:57,694 --> 01:28:00,906
and through the Arkansas Development
Financial Authority
1703
01:28:00,906 --> 01:28:03,934
-- which is what made Bill Clinton
a hero in the state of Arkansas.
1704
01:28:03,934 --> 01:28:05,763
So, yeah: it's probably there.
1705
01:28:05,763 --> 01:28:08,522
(Man) Mr. Ruppert, I want to congratulate
you on your courage, sir.
1706
01:28:08,522 --> 01:28:12,823
(Man) And I wanted to ask you if you had
any assistance from Officer Rothmiller
1707
01:28:12,823 --> 01:28:15,418
(Man) who wrote the book LA Secret
Intelligence [sic] Police?
1708
01:28:15,418 --> 01:28:18,392
I just said a few minutes ago:
I know Mike.
1709
01:28:18,392 --> 01:28:20,296
We have spoken many times
over the years.
1710
01:28:20,296 --> 01:28:21,182
(Man) Yes, sir.
1711
01:28:21,182 --> 01:28:22,899
We share a lot of views; his book's
a good book.
1712
01:28:22,899 --> 01:28:26,384
He and I actually worked patrol in
Wilshire Division at the same time.
1713
01:28:26,384 --> 01:28:27,461
So, yeah.
1714
01:28:27,461 --> 01:28:33,311
(Man) Hey, there. I don't know if want
to rub elbows with Tom Hayden,
1715
01:28:33,311 --> 01:28:37,495
(Man) but I'll take it on your world that
it's a good thing, the march.
1716
01:28:37,495 --> 01:28:39,192
(Man) I have one question:
do you know what happened
1717
01:28:39,192 --> 01:28:44,017
(Man) to former CIA director Colby?
He supposedly died mysteriously?
1718
01:28:44,017 --> 01:28:47,939
Well...
1719
01:28:47,939 --> 01:28:48,753
(Man) (xx)
1720
01:28:48,753 --> 01:28:52,773
My attorney called me up the
day they found his body
1721
01:28:52,773 --> 01:28:57,146
and wanted to make sure
I had an alibi. (laughter)
1722
01:28:57,146 --> 01:28:59,978
No, I don't know personally.
I've just received
1723
01:28:59,978 --> 01:29:02,501
an updated copy of
The Franklin Cover-Up,
1724
01:29:02,501 --> 01:29:05,775
which contains some very disturbing
questions about Bill Colby's death.
1725
01:29:05,775 --> 01:29:10,318
But I don't have any direct knowledge;
but who knows?
1726
01:29:10,318 --> 01:29:11,860
(Man) I have two questions.
Your bravery is astounding,
1727
01:29:11,860 --> 01:29:14,232
(Man) the past 20, 25 years
of your investigation.
1728
01:29:14,232 --> 01:29:16,180
(Man) Is your life still in danger today,
1729
01:29:16,180 --> 01:29:18,149
(Man) and is there any contracts
out on your life?
1730
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:25,336
(Man) And secondly, what is
the whole purpose of the rally,
1731
01:29:25,336 --> 01:29:33,398
(Man) and how are we going to bring
all these people to justice in the end?
1732
01:29:33,398 --> 01:29:37,279
OK. First of all, no, I wouldn't know
if there was a contract out on me.
1733
01:29:37,279 --> 01:29:40,156
I haven't been shot at for a long time.
I'm fairly well-known now,
1734
01:29:40,156 --> 01:29:42,996
and they tend not to kill people
who are fairly well-known.
1735
01:29:42,996 --> 01:29:44,692
The problem is you can
get so well-known
1736
01:29:44,692 --> 01:29:48,128
it doesn't make any difference, too: with
Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy,
1737
01:29:48,128 --> 01:29:49,250
et cetera, et cetera.
1738
01:29:49,250 --> 01:29:52,008
But I'm nowhere near that big yet,
so I think I'm safe for a while.
1739
01:29:52,008 --> 01:29:56,640
As for what we're trying to do
and how we're trying to do it,
1740
01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:02,296
I am relieved of having to answer that
question. Again, what I have come to
1741
01:30:02,296 --> 01:30:05,400
from a spiritual and a constitutional
and an American standpoint,
1742
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,325
is that my job is to do the right thing,
1743
01:30:07,325 --> 01:30:10,138
and to leave the results to a
power greater than myself.
1744
01:30:10,138 --> 01:30:12,785
(applause)
1745
01:30:12,785 --> 01:30:15,695
The only sin that I'm aware of
is not standing up.
1746
01:30:15,695 --> 01:30:20,203
That's the sin that I'm aware of.
Yes, sir.
1747
01:30:20,203 --> 01:30:26,477
(Man) I think it rather paradoxical
that there's enough evidence
1748
01:30:26,477 --> 01:30:29,954
(Man) against Mr. Clinton and
his administration
1749
01:30:29,954 --> 01:30:33,607
(Man) to put most of them in prison.
My question is,
1750
01:30:33,607 --> 01:30:41,480
(Man) how intrusive... has drugs become
part of the operation in Washington, DC
1751
01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:43,776
(Man) amongst the Congressmen,
the Senators?
1752
01:30:43,776 --> 01:30:45,531
(Man) And why is it we don't have
one person
1753
01:30:45,531 --> 01:30:48,400
(Man) who will stand up and initiate
impeachment proceedings
1754
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:52,339
(Man) on this scum that we
have in the office?
1755
01:30:52,339 --> 01:30:54,760
(Maen) Now, does drugs have
an affect here?
1756
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,637
(Man) And why is it we're not
getting anything done?
1757
01:30:57,637 --> 01:31:00,865
(Man) All investigation and
no prosecution?
1758
01:31:00,865 --> 01:31:05,543
Drugs have an effect everywhere.
1759
01:31:05,543 --> 01:31:09,414
In the Cutolo Watchtower affidavits,
1760
01:31:09,414 --> 01:31:12,020
there's a story of one Congressman
named Larkin Smith
1761
01:31:12,020 --> 01:31:17,690
who tried to stand up; who was looking
into the Tyree murder case.
1762
01:31:17,690 --> 01:31:22,288
He was flying on an investigation when
his plane crashed and he was killed.
1763
01:31:22,288 --> 01:31:25,088
Hale Boggs...
1764
01:31:25,088 --> 01:31:29,051
They kill Congressmen; they can kill
Presidents.
1765
01:31:29,051 --> 01:31:32,658
Maxine Waters walks a fine line.
1766
01:31:32,658 --> 01:31:35,559
She is a Democrat, a member of the
minority party.
1767
01:31:35,559 --> 01:31:38,076
She doesn't chair any committees.
1768
01:31:38,076 --> 01:31:40,630
She is Chairwoman of the
Black Caucus, yes,
1769
01:31:40,630 --> 01:31:45,639
but she alone as a member of Congress
doesn't have the power to stand up.
1770
01:31:45,639 --> 01:31:48,264
I'm gonna make it very clear
in my speech Saturday
1771
01:31:48,264 --> 01:31:52,343
that where the people lead,
Congress will follow.
1772
01:31:52,343 --> 01:31:54,582
We have got the cart before the horse.
1773
01:31:54,582 --> 01:31:56,323
We can't expect anybody to do for us
1774
01:31:56,323 --> 01:32:01,962
what we will not demand that
they do by ourselves, OK?
1775
01:32:01,962 --> 01:32:04,898
We have to stand up together.
Congress ain't gonna listen until we do.
1776
01:32:04,898 --> 01:32:05,849
Yes, ma'am.
1777
01:32:05,849 --> 01:32:07,860
(Woman) Yes, thank you very much,
Mr. Ruppert.
1778
01:32:07,860 --> 01:32:15,218
(Woman) It is very clear to me that you're
a very holy man, and you are totally
1779
01:32:15,218 --> 01:32:18,771
(Woman) surrounded and protected
by the love of God wherever you go.
1780
01:32:18,771 --> 01:32:20,553
(Woman) And I particularly like the
way you said,
1781
01:32:20,553 --> 01:32:23,389
(Woman) "Do you ever get a feeling that
God is following you with this stuff?"
1782
01:32:23,389 --> 01:32:26,129
(Woman) I love it. Thank you very much.
I do have a question:
1783
01:32:26,129 --> 01:32:34,740
(Woman) It's very clear to me that it's
AAA: All About Addiction.
1784
01:32:34,740 --> 01:32:38,011
(Woman) There's no easier way
-- is there? -- to control people
1785
01:32:38,011 --> 01:32:43,885
(Woman) than to get them addicted.
Now, whether it's called legal drugs,
1786
01:32:43,885 --> 01:32:48,455
(Woman) or illegal drugs, a drug
is a drug is a drug.
1787
01:32:48,455 --> 01:32:53,911
(Woman) I would like to know if you
know how far and to what involvement
1788
01:32:53,911 --> 01:32:59,392
(Woman) the American Medical
Association is involved in this.
1789
01:32:59,392 --> 01:33:00,946
(Woman) Thank you.
1790
01:33:00,946 --> 01:33:06,272
I sometimes feel like I would have to be
God to answer some of these questions.
1791
01:33:06,272 --> 01:33:12,589
(laughter)
1792
01:33:12,589 --> 01:33:18,539
Let me put it this way: we have all heard
stories about a dysfunctional family,
1793
01:33:18,539 --> 01:33:24,183
where a father is molesting
a young daughter.
1794
01:33:24,183 --> 01:33:25,987
And there are other children in the
family, and there's a wife.
1795
01:33:25,987 --> 01:33:27,578
And we look at these tragedies,
1796
01:33:27,578 --> 01:33:30,826
and we see how the wife ignores
what's going on,
1797
01:33:30,826 --> 01:33:34,551
and the other children ignore
what's going on:
1798
01:33:34,551 --> 01:33:37,268
for the sake of maintaining
the family image;
1799
01:33:37,268 --> 01:33:38,737
for the sake of looking good;
1800
01:33:38,737 --> 01:33:43,022
out of the fear that if they expose
what's going on,
1801
01:33:43,022 --> 01:33:45,068
the father will turn his rage
against them.
1802
01:33:45,068 --> 01:33:47,633
And that's a dysfunctional family.
1803
01:33:47,633 --> 01:33:49,764
This country is in that state of denial.
1804
01:33:49,764 --> 01:33:54,581
Every aspect of this country is
affected by this crisis.
1805
01:33:54,581 --> 01:33:59,094
Let me define it to you this way
-- and I'll be real brief with this --
1806
01:33:59,094 --> 01:34:04,942
Could the President of the United States,
the Executive Branch,
1807
01:34:04,942 --> 01:34:08,574
-- which, theoretically, is empowered
over the CIA --
1808
01:34:08,574 --> 01:34:14,337
have permitted the Agency to deal drugs
to American citizens?
1809
01:34:14,337 --> 01:34:17,269
Or, could it have happened
without him knowing about it?
1810
01:34:17,269 --> 01:34:21,418
Either way, you have just defined the
greatest crisis -- Constitutional crisis --
1811
01:34:21,418 --> 01:34:23,985
in American history
since the Civil War;
1812
01:34:23,985 --> 01:34:27,529
and solving it is going to take
that kind of upheaval.
1813
01:34:27,529 --> 01:34:32,443
Leadership in this will have to show
that we can do this non-violently,
1814
01:34:32,443 --> 01:34:34,699
in a healthy way, in the American spirit.
1815
01:34:34,699 --> 01:34:38,979
Not in the German spirit, not in the
Russian spirit, not in the Chinese spirit;
1816
01:34:38,979 --> 01:34:40,764
but in the American spirit.
1817
01:34:40,764 --> 01:34:42,800
(Woman) Yes, I appreciate that remark.
1818
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:47,850
(Woman) I would like to have us all
remember that what, I believe,
1819
01:34:47,850 --> 01:34:54,411
(Woman) you have described this
evening is not a man-made battle,
1820
01:34:54,411 --> 01:34:59,702
(Woman) but we are wrestling against
principalities and powers in high places,
1821
01:34:59,702 --> 01:35:03,077
(Woman) and basically that
is a spiritual problem.
1822
01:35:03,077 --> 01:35:06,236
(Woman) And we're not going to go out
here as a group of people
1823
01:35:06,236 --> 01:35:09,201
(Woman) and conquer this in our own
strength.
1824
01:35:09,201 --> 01:35:12,216
(Woman) It'll be like David putting
on Saul's armor:
1825
01:35:12,216 --> 01:35:15,321
(Woman) It doesn't fit.
It only weighs us down.
1826
01:35:15,321 --> 01:35:18,144
(Woman) But I believe it's in
1 Chronicles where it tells us,
1827
01:35:18,144 --> 01:35:24,430
(Woman) "If my people, who are called
by my name, will humble themselves"
1828
01:35:24,430 --> 01:35:28,691
(Woman) "and pray, and turn
from their wicked ways,"
1829
01:35:28,691 --> 01:35:34,116
(Woman) "then will we hear from
Heaven, and I will heal their land"
1830
01:35:34,116 --> 01:35:36,233
(Woman) And that's what we've
got to come back to.
1831
01:35:36,233 --> 01:35:38,540
(Woman) We're kidding ourselves
here, sitting here thinking...
1832
01:35:38,540 --> 01:35:43,197
(Woman) -- I appreciate the rally,
and I support it wholeheartedly --
1833
01:35:43,197 --> 01:35:46,586
(Woman) but as a group,
we're kidding ourselves
1834
01:35:46,586 --> 01:35:50,654
(Woman) if we think we're going to go
out and do this in our own strength.
1835
01:35:50,654 --> 01:35:54,343
(Woman) Only history will be repeated
again and again,
1836
01:35:54,343 --> 01:35:57,217
(Woman) But it's as we turn to
the Lord Jesus Christ
1837
01:35:57,217 --> 01:35:58,808
(Woman) and let Him operate
through our lives,
1838
01:35:58,808 --> 01:36:03,913
(Woman) and then put our hand
to the plow, we will conquer.
1839
01:36:05,177 --> 01:36:07,911
And my fervent hope and response to that:
1840
01:36:07,911 --> 01:36:13,590
"Where two or more are gathered in His
name, He is also there." (applause)
1841
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:15,222
What if 10 or 15 thousand are gathered,
1842
01:36:15,222 --> 01:36:21,750
and many of those gather
in His name, too? (applause) Yes.
1843
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:25,563
(Man) I very much appreciate
that comment. I did want to...
1844
01:36:25,563 --> 01:36:31,049
(Man) You mentioned earlier about (xx),
which we've all been most familiar with.
1845
01:36:31,049 --> 01:36:37,908
(Man) As far as my understanding goes,
ten investigations have begun,
1846
01:36:37,908 --> 01:36:43,221
(Man) and I guess the tenth one
is in some way going on now.
1847
01:36:43,221 --> 01:36:51,471
(Man) But what has caused these
all to end, and the information
1848
01:36:51,471 --> 01:36:54,786
(Man) -- the myriad of tons of information
that have been gathered --
1849
01:36:54,786 --> 01:37:00,202
(Man) to not result in any
meaningful action?
1850
01:37:00,202 --> 01:37:06,524
The way this country works is that unless
it shows up in The Washington Post,
1851
01:37:06,524 --> 01:37:10,550
The New York Times, The Los Angeles
Times, Time, or Newsweek,
1852
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:13,596
officially, it doesn't exist.
1853
01:37:13,596 --> 01:37:17,643
And there can be investigations
until the cows come home.
1854
01:37:17,643 --> 01:37:20,692
And the information is out there.
We have it.
1855
01:37:20,692 --> 01:37:24,180
I have, it, everybody else has it.
Dozens of other witnesses have it.
1856
01:37:24,180 --> 01:37:26,319
Gene Wheaton has it;
Terry Reed has it. (sp)
1857
01:37:26,319 --> 01:37:30,237
I've spoken to Terry several times,
OK? The point is that
1858
01:37:30,237 --> 01:37:33,460
we have to make something happen
in the collective consciousness
1859
01:37:33,460 --> 01:37:36,118
to get it out to the point where
somebody admits it openly.
1860
01:37:36,118 --> 01:37:41,383
(Man) Mike, just one moment on that.
You know that we know two boys,
1861
01:37:41,383 --> 01:37:44,614
(Man) we know two young teenage,
nnocent boys were killed,
1862
01:37:44,614 --> 01:37:48,040
(Man) and we know a number of other
people relating to that same...
1863
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:50,790
(Man) those deaths, were also killed.
1864
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:56,099
(Man) And we do know that enough
information is extant to make a case.
1865
01:37:56,099 --> 01:37:59,669
(Man) It seems to me that a rifle shot
has to be fired
1866
01:37:59,669 --> 01:38:02,954
(Man) in order to break through this wall.
1867
01:38:02,954 --> 01:38:06,992
(Man) instead of these little hammers
banging away,
1868
01:38:06,992 --> 01:38:12,871
(Man) some focal point has
to be singled out.
1869
01:38:12,871 --> 01:38:18,821
(Man) And just hammer it through
till it breaks the dam, because...
1870
01:38:18,821 --> 01:38:20,731
You raise a beautiful point.
1871
01:38:20,731 --> 01:38:22,389
Mike wants to say something in a second,
1872
01:38:22,389 --> 01:38:24,777
but let me talk to that point
for a second.
1873
01:38:24,777 --> 01:38:29,710
I have met... all over the years, I have
met people who are angry with the IRS,
1874
01:38:29,710 --> 01:38:32,485
and I have met people who
are angry over many,
1875
01:38:32,485 --> 01:38:36,645
many different righteous,
justified causes,
1876
01:38:36,645 --> 01:38:39,810
but they have been a Tower of Babel
1877
01:38:39,810 --> 01:38:44,122
As I view this from a political
standpoint alone,
1878
01:38:44,122 --> 01:38:48,646
I see the single issue of CIA and drugs
1879
01:38:48,646 --> 01:38:53,200
as being the one single issue
which can crack the armor.
1880
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:58,160
And when will the armor crack? The
armor will crack when a farmer in Iowa,
1881
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:02,775
and somebody in Saint Louis,
and Wisconsin, and Colorado
1882
01:39:02,775 --> 01:39:07,020
who's Middle America wakes up
and catches on to this:
1883
01:39:07,020 --> 01:39:08,846
that's when the armor will crack.
1884
01:39:08,846 --> 01:39:09,869
And as far as I'm concerned
1885
01:39:09,869 --> 01:39:11,564
-- and I have many opinions about
many other issues --
1886
01:39:11,564 --> 01:39:14,587
publicly, I speak only about
CIA and drugs;
1887
01:39:14,587 --> 01:39:18,200
because that's the one where I
think we've got a chance to win.
1888
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:20,943
Mike wants to say something.
1889
01:39:20,943 --> 01:39:22,935
(Mike) Yeah, I wanted to briefly
say exactly that:
1890
01:39:22,935 --> 01:39:26,756
(Mike) The people talking about the
Republican and the Democratic parties,
1891
01:39:26,756 --> 01:39:29,769
(Mike) and one of the things they always
talk about is wedge issues,
1892
01:39:29,769 --> 01:39:32,075
(Mike) and they always want to try
to drive a wedge.
1893
01:39:32,075 --> 01:39:34,202
(Mike) They want to drive a wedge
between Blacks and Whites;
1894
01:39:34,202 --> 01:39:36,851
(Mike) They want to drive a wedge
between Latinos and Whites,
1895
01:39:36,851 --> 01:39:39,764
(Mike) Between Blacks and Latinos:
They're constantly looking for issues
1896
01:39:39,764 --> 01:39:42,170
(Mike) on the theory of divide
and conquer.
1897
01:39:42,170 --> 01:39:44,072
(Mike) And when they mean conquer,
that's what they want to do.
1898
01:39:44,072 --> 01:39:46,360
(Mike) They're not just talking
in figurative terms.
1899
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:48,310
(Mike) And we're looking
for some cement.
1900
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:52,863
(Mike) We're looing for things that are
going to wedge us together, in a way.
1901
01:39:52,863 --> 01:39:55,791
(Mike) And we're looking at this,
as we say, "Crack the CIA,"
1902
01:39:55,791 --> 01:39:58,944
(Mike) we want to find something that
is going to affect the conscience
1903
01:39:58,944 --> 01:40:03,327
(Mike) and the consciousness of many,
many people to see our commonality
1904
01:40:03,327 --> 01:40:04,760
(Mike) and our common struggle.
1905
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:06,600
(Mike) And I want to respond to what...
1906
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:09,372
(Man) Why don't you want to destroy
the cocaine cartels?
1907
01:40:09,372 --> 01:40:12,182
(Mike) We want to destroy not only
the cocaine cartels,
1908
01:40:12,182 --> 01:40:15,072
(Mike) But we're saying this is much
bigger than the problem of cocaine.
1909
01:40:15,072 --> 01:40:16,835
(Mike) This is a systematic...
in other words:
1910
01:40:16,835 --> 01:40:18,755
(Mike) before there was cocaine,
there was heroin.
1911
01:40:18,755 --> 01:40:21,311
(Mike) Before there was heroin,
there was opium.
1912
01:40:21,311 --> 01:40:24,369
(Mike) Before there was opium,
they were selling liquor to the Indians.
1913
01:40:24,369 --> 01:40:31,125
(Mike) Before... they traded slaves for
tobacco and addicted people.
1914
01:40:31,125 --> 01:40:34,632
(Mike) This is going back half
a millennium and longer.
1915
01:40:34,632 --> 01:40:37,477
(Mike) I just want to say that one
of the things about this coalition
1916
01:40:37,477 --> 01:40:41,354
(Mike) that I think will distinguish it
is that we are not actually trying
1917
01:40:41,354 --> 01:40:43,081
(Mike) to get the government to do
anything about this,
1918
01:40:43,081 --> 01:40:45,490
(Mike) because we understand
that they are problem.
1919
01:40:45,490 --> 01:40:48,205
(Mike) We are trying to affect ourselves.
1920
01:40:48,205 --> 01:40:51,517
(Mike) We're hooked into the
recovery movement.
1921
01:40:51,517 --> 01:40:55,501
(Mike) It's not only one person who says
"I'm an addict," alcohlic, whatever,
1922
01:40:55,501 --> 01:40:57,937
(Mike) But there are many people
in the Black community:
1923
01:40:57,937 --> 01:41:02,704
(Mike) groups called "Mad Dads":
many, many people who are saying
1924
01:41:02,704 --> 01:41:05,648
(Mike) we have to take the responsibility
to transform ourselves,
1925
01:41:05,648 --> 01:41:08,944
(Mike) and by doing that we will transform
this government and society.
1926
01:41:08,944 --> 01:41:11,242
(Mike) We're not expecting them
to solve this problem for us.
1927
01:41:11,242 --> 01:41:21,548
(Man) Michael, I'd like to thank you,
first, for coming this evening.
1928
01:41:21,548 --> 01:41:24,460
(Man) Standing up, saying what
you've said. I respect you.
1929
01:41:24,460 --> 01:41:28,346
(Man) I appreciate your being here
this evening and what you've said.
1930
01:41:28,346 --> 01:41:29,370
Thank you.
1931
01:41:29,370 --> 01:41:34,471
(Man) I have a brief observation myself,
and I'd like to get your reponse to it.
1932
01:41:34,471 --> 01:41:39,727
(Man) And the observation is that
Thomas Jefferson said
1933
01:41:39,727 --> 01:41:44,106
(Man) that we need a revolution
every 20 years.
1934
01:41:44,106 --> 01:41:46,988
(Man) The last time the people
of this country stood up
1935
01:41:46,988 --> 01:41:49,775
(Man) and told the government,
"Enough is enough"
1936
01:41:49,775 --> 01:41:56,375
(Man) was 25 years ago when we
told 'em we'd had enough of Vietnam.
1937
01:41:56,375 --> 01:42:02,029
(Man) And I think it's time for the people
in this country to stand up and say:
1938
01:42:02,029 --> 01:42:07,045
(Man) "Enough is enough,
and we've had it."
1939
01:42:07,045 --> 01:42:09,897
(Man) And if that's a revolution,
and we can do it peaceably,
1940
01:42:09,897 --> 01:42:15,268
(Man) In the streets like we did
25 years ago, but peaceably,
1941
01:42:15,268 --> 01:42:20,459
(Man) Then I'm 100% behind it, and I
think it's an idea whose time has come,
1942
01:42:20,459 --> 01:42:23,476
(Man) and there's nothing that's going
to stop it.
1943
01:42:23,476 --> 01:42:27,573
(Man) And I'm very glad that you're doing
that you're doing, because we need it.
1944
01:42:27,573 --> 01:42:29,149
(applause)
1945
01:42:29,149 --> 01:42:30,160
Thank you.
1946
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:31,606
(Man) Your response, anybody else's
response.
1947
01:42:31,606 --> 01:42:34,831
All I can say to that is "ditto."
1948
01:42:34,831 --> 01:42:37,714
(Man) Yeah: I just want to make a
comment that I think that rally
1949
01:42:37,714 --> 01:42:42,622
(Man) will be real important to this
neighborhood in showing,
1950
01:42:42,622 --> 01:42:45,200
(Man) in bringing it out to light to
the average public
1951
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:48,818
(Man) how you aren't just hurting
yourself when you use drugs,
1952
01:42:48,818 --> 01:42:50,225
(Man) but you're hurting your country.
1953
01:42:50,225 --> 01:42:55,157
(Man) And it's OK if people want to
hurt themselves, but when you realize
1954
01:42:55,157 --> 01:42:57,195
(Man) and when people who are out
there using realize
1955
01:42:57,195 --> 01:43:00,948
(Man) that it's actually hurting their
country, and their country's behind it,
1956
01:43:00,948 --> 01:43:03,095
(Man) and you're sponsoring something
1957
01:43:03,095 --> 01:43:06,255
(Man) that's gonna break your
livelihood apart, and other people's,
1958
01:43:06,255 --> 01:43:10,877
(Man) I think it's gonna bring a lot
of light to the neighborhood, so thanks.
1959
01:43:10,877 --> 01:43:13,295
I think you're right.
1960
01:43:13,295 --> 01:43:16,356
(Man) ...last question...
1961
01:43:16,356 --> 01:43:22,829
(Man) Yes. Unless you demand that the
government destroy the cocaine cartel
1962
01:43:22,829 --> 01:43:24,884
(Man) and organized crime who have done
1963
01:43:24,884 --> 01:43:26,440
(Man) all this damage to the
American people,
1964
01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:28,354
(Man) you're not gonna get the
American people behind you.
1965
01:43:28,354 --> 01:43:29,680
(Man) You're not gonna get
American justice.
1966
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:33,286
(Man) My question is, why aren't you...
why don't you have a plan
1967
01:43:33,286 --> 01:43:35,356
(Man) to destroy the cocaine cartels,
1968
01:43:35,356 --> 01:43:37,889
(Man) and why don't you want
to make the government do that?
1969
01:43:37,889 --> 01:43:39,373
(different man) This is the plan!
1970
01:43:39,373 --> 01:43:41,355
(Man) No, I want him to answer
this question.
1971
01:43:41,355 --> 01:43:42,402
We have to fix the government first.
1972
01:43:42,402 --> 01:43:44,134
We can't get a government that
doesn't respond to us
1973
01:43:44,134 --> 01:43:46,394
to do anything in our interest until
we fix the government.
1974
01:43:46,394 --> 01:43:48,063
(Man) If you're gonna be there
tomorrow morning,
1975
01:43:48,063 --> 01:43:51,067
(Man) why don't you make that
demand in front of the press,
1976
01:43:51,067 --> 01:43:53,555
(Man) and for the press to print,
saying,
1977
01:43:53,555 --> 01:43:56,244
(Man) "Why isn't the government
destroying the cocaine cartels?"
1978
01:43:56,244 --> 01:43:58,139
(Another Man) Because they
are the cartel!
1979
01:43:58,139 --> 01:43:59,927
(Host) It's nice to have a spirited group,
and on behalf of the forum,
1980
01:43:59,927 --> 01:44:03,609
(Host) we want to thank Mike Ruppert
or an interesting talk.
1981
01:44:03,609 --> 01:44:07,621
(Host) Please bear with us. Looking
forward to having you come back.
1982
01:44:07,621 --> 01:44:10,333
(Host) I do hope you do. Thank you
very much, appreciate it.
1983
01:44:10,333 --> 01:44:15,367
(Host begins unrelated announcement)
1984
01:44:15,367 --> 01:44:44,880
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1985
01:45:33,432 --> 01:45:44,890
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Rest in peace, Mike.