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(Host) Good evening. Welcome to the[br]Grenada Forum,

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an organization dedicated to the truth.

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At the end of the program, [br]our speaker's presentation,

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there'll be a question-and-answer[br]program without restriction.

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Feel free to ask any question.

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That's the true meaning of [br]freedom of speech.

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Even the press is invited to ask [br]questions, if any of them are here.

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As children, we are taught of [br]a word called character.

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As adults, we seldom run into [br]those with it. (laughter)

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Leastwise in the media or [br]nside the Beltway.

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It takes character to stand alone

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and, like David, challence Goliath.

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Like Terry Reed of <i>Compromised</i>,

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Like Gary Aldrich of <i>Unlimited Access</i>,

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like Chris Ruddy of <i>Death of Vince Foster</i>,

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like Ambrose Pritchard of [br]<i>The London Daily Telegraph</i>.

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We have men of character in our own midst.

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They seldom are forced into the limelight

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until the conduct of others that betray[br]their public trust force the issue.

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The fabric of our society has been torn

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by some that have an agenda [br]and have suppressed it.

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On November 15th of 1996, [br]just three months ago,

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a dedicated true patriot stood his ground

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and did what we call... what we can appreciate.

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Picture in your mind's eye [br]CIA Director John Deutch

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on a propaganda mission to Los Angeles

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to calm the waters as a result of article

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that appeared in the [br]<i>San Jose Mercury News</i>.

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He was hosted by Congresswoman [br]Juanita McDonalds.

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Without blinking an eye,

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our speaker said,

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"I am a former Los Angeles [br]Police Narcotics Detective,"

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"And I can tell you that the Agency"

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"has been dealing in drugs in[br]this country for a long time."

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It is my distinct pleasure and honor

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to greet in the behalf [br]of the Granada Forum

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and introduce a man who deserves[br]our respect and attention.

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Please welcome Mr. Michael Ruppert.(applause)

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(Michael) Thank you. [br]Thank you very much.

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I guess the first thank you[br]I'd like to give tonight

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is to someone who's not here:

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Mr. Peter Ford of KIAV Radio,

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who introduced me to you all,

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and who made it possible for me[br]to be here tonight.

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I did a show last night

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from midnight to 2:00,

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and it was a wonderful experience.

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And if what we do tonight is[br]anything like that,

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I think we're all gonna have a lot of fun.

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I would also like to thank Anne,

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who was very kind to make [br]arrangements for me tonight.

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In 19 years, this is the first chance, [br]believe it or not, that I have had

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to address an assembled group of [br]people on one issue

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and to teach what I know,

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to share my experiences.

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I've done it in snippets;

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I've done it on radio talk shows;

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but never with the opportunity to lay [br]out some evidence and make a case.

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And I'm very grateful for that:

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it was a long wait.

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And I am here tonight in two capacities.

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If there's any lawyers in the room, [br]I'll pray for you but... (laughter)

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You know that in a court of law, [br]they talk about evidence.

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And one of the first kinds,

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and actually the most preferred [br]kind of direct evidence

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is witness testimony.

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And all over the major media [br]and in Congress,

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you hear statements that there is [br]no evidence that CIA deals drugs.

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Well, a wittnss can raise his hand [br]under oath in court,

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and that becomes evidence when[br]he tells his story.

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And I have evidence to give you [br]from my own experience.

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I am also here as a detective, [br]if you will,

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although I have not carried a bad for...

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since November 30th, 1978,

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I consider myself to have been a detective

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working on one case for all these years.

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And so I'm going to present to you

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some of that evidence tonight.

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I want to start by giving you just [br]a little historical background;

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and you'll see all these books [br]on the table here.

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And I don't know if they're [br]in frame or not;

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they're probably not.

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But you'll see <i>The Big White Lie</i>[br]by Michael Levine

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who is a former DEA Station Chief[br]-- or country attaché, they call it --

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from Argentina.

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He was present in Argentina [br]in 1980

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when the Central Intelligence Agency[br]installed [in Bolivia] the government

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of Luis García Meza,

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who was a cocaine lord,

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and gave him the whole country.

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And that was done in conjunction [br]with the Argentine military.

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García Meza's Chief of Security [br]was Klaus Barbie,

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the Butcher of Lyons.

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So there was heavy Nazi infiltration

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into the Argentinean military.

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Mike Levine was there.[br]He documented it; he protested it;

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and of course it fell into this black hole

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that those of us in law enforcement[br]know so well.

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The next book that you see there

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is written by the only man [br]that I'm aware of

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who's been at this longer [br]than I have.

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And I'm gonna hold this one up.

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It's called <i>The Politics of Heroin</i>.

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It was originally called <i>The Politics</i>[br]<i>of Heroin in Southeast Asia</i>,

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by Professor Alfred McCoy.

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Published first in 1972.

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That's 25 years ago, OK?

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It is a Bible for those of us who do this.

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When we talk about names, dates, places:

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the names, the dates, and the places[br]are in here.

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Now, again, if there's any lawyers [br]in here,

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lawyers love to sue people, OK?

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Why is it that this book has [br]never been sued?

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There's a saying in the law:

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"The truth is an absolute defense [br]against libel."

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OK?

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This is one of our major Bibles.[br]It's in here.

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It was recently revised and updated

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to include all kinds of information[br]on Iran-Contra, OK?

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The next book that I want to show you...

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actually, there are two, both written[br]by the same authors.

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And these two men, I know both of them.

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They're both brilliant men.

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Professor Peter Dale Scott is a Professor[br]of English, believe it or not,

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at UC-Berkeley.

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He got into this many years ago,

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and he had a Ph.D,

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and he is a dedicated researcher.

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His co-writer, Jonathan Marshall, is a...

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About as rare as a good lawyer, [br]he's a good reporter.

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He works for the <i>San Francisco Chronicle</i>.

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He's an award-winning journalist.

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Neither one of these two books,

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which name names, dates, places, times,[br]quantities, relationships, documents

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have ever been sued. <i>Ever</i>. OK?

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So when Jack Blum,

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who was Chief Counsel for this Kerry [br]Committee during the Iran-Contra era,

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recently testified to your friend [br]and mine Arlen Spector,

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he said, "We don't need to go out [br]and investigate: we know."

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What he was alluding to,

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is what is contained specifically [br]in <i>this</i> book,

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which is all about Iran-Contra.

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Names, dates, places, computer logs: [br]everything, it's all in here, OK?

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We already know. We don't have [br]to investigate.

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We know the CIA deals drugs.

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And of course the <i>Los Angeles Times</i> [br]completely omitted

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any reference to Jack Blum's testimony[br]in their stories.

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These two books will give you [br]anything you need to refute...

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you could take Oliver North apart

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with about ten pages from this book alone,

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and bury him. OK?

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The last book that I wanted to show you,

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it's almost impossible to get [br]in this country.

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I wonder why?

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You can get it in Canada.

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Written by my dear friend [br]Celerino Castillo.

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Cele was a DEA agent.

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He's a decorated Vietnam vet [br]who served first in Peru,

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and then in the Iran-Contra era [br]he served in Central America.

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He served in Honduras and Salvador [br]and Guatemala;

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and he was at Ilopango Airport,

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which was the major Contra supply [br]airport in El Salvador

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for the northern front of the[br]Contra war effort.

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And he describes in this, at the airport, [br]two hangars:

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Hangar Four and Hangar Five.

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Now, he's got the records.

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Hangar Four was the CIA hangar;

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Hangar Five was the NSC hangar:

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Both controlled by Oliver North.

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He recorded tail numbers;

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he watched the cocaine being loaded;

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he talked to the pilots;

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he got the flight plans;

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he watched as the planes [br]were given <i>gratis</i> entry

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across the border in the United States.

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He wrote reports.

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And what happened was [br]Ambassador Edwin Corr

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-- who is now teaching at the [br]University of Oklahoma at Norman --

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came to Cele and said, "Leave it alone, [br]bud. It's a White House operation."

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That's evidence. That's a clue. [br](laughter)

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Cele had this wonderful experience

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of going to a formal dinner at [br]the US Embassy in El Salvador.

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And the guest of honor that night

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was Vice-President George [br]Herbert Walker Bush.

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(audience: "Ooh!")

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So Cele was there, and Bush was there,

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and they bring Bush over to Cele,

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and, "Mr. Vice-President, this is Celerino[br]Castillo, our senior DEA agent."

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and: "How do you do?" -- Mr. Bush -- [br]"You're a hero to the country."

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Cele said, "Mr. Vice-President: [br]I've gotta talk to you!"

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"There's something really [br]wrong going on here!"

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"They're flying drugs out of four and five,[br]and CIA's behind it!"

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And George Bush said, [br]"Nice to meet ya,"

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And walked away, you know.

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Don't let anybody tell you[br]there is no evidence.

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There is a <i>mountain</i> of evidence [br]<i>already in existence</i>, OK?

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It is irrefutable; it is iron-clad. [br]All right?

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Now, given that, I want to paint [br]a little picture for you.

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I want to go back historically,

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because my own experience is going [br]to add a little dimension to this for you.

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Picture that I have a blackboard behind me

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-- which I don't, OK? --

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But say there's a blackboard

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and we're gonna say that right here[br]is Southeast Asia,

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and right here is the United States,

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and right here is South America,

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and over here is the Middle East, OK?

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Somebody was talking earlier about [br]organized crime and CIA.

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And of course, my opinion is CIA <i>is</i>[br]organized crime. (laughter)

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In the Second World War,

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some deals were made between [br]the Office of Strategic Services

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and the Mafia in New Orleans.

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We were afraid of Nazi sabotage,

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so we took a guy named Lucky Luciano[br]out of prison in New York.

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And he guaranteed that there would be [br]no sabotage on the docks in New York.

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We took a guy named Vito Genovese

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-- I like that: (exaggerated, languorous [br]Italian accent) Vito Genov<i>ese</i>

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And we let him to back to Sicily

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so spy on it so we could go and invade[br]Sicily when Patton went in there.

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Of course, they went right back[br]into the drug business.

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They went right back into [br]their operations.

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The bond is very, very close.

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Stop there: fast-forward to 1954.

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1954: Diên Biên Phu.

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The French were kicked out [br]of Indochina.

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Now, almost everybody knows that [br]the Golden Triangle in Indochina

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is where most of the world's heroin[br]has come from for a long time.

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It is the largest opium-growing[br]region in the world.

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There are several others.

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The French, in order to sustain their war,

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had been paying the local tribesmen,[br]the Hmong tribesmen,

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and Kuomintang

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-- the Chinese who were [br]kicked out of China --

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with opium: which was a long holdover

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from the British opium trade[br]from the 18th Century.

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When the French went out, [br]we filled that void,

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and we went some people to Indochina.

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Their names were Aderholt, Singlaub...

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-- does that ring a bell to anybody? --

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there was also a guy by the name[br]of Paul Helliwell,

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and there was a guy by the name [br]of Richard Stillwell,

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and these are the people that we [br]sent into Southeast Asia, CIA,

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to take over where the French left.

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Extremely well-documented.

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And one of the first things [br]John Singlaub did,

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and one of the first things [br]Paul Helliwell did,

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was to take over the payment

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of Kuomintang and other [br]rebels with heroin.

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It was just the way you did business.

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As we moved closer to the Vietnam era,

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that trade began to expand

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because of the relationship[br]between CIA and the Mafia.

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As we get to the Vietnam War...

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now, again, picture I'm drawing on the [br]board up here some other names.

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If we fast-forward to the Vietnam era,

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I'm gonna write some other [br]names in Southeast Asia:

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Theodore Shackley: Station Chief [br]in Laos; later, Station Chief in Saigon.

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Richard Secord: anybody ever [br]hear that name? (laughter) Nah.

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Richard Armitage: anybody [br]ever hear that name?

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Eric von Marbod: anybody [br]ever hear <i>that</i> name?

0:13:43.543,0:13:48.384
OK. von Marbod was in the military at[br]the time, Department of Defense.

0:13:48.384,0:13:50.296
They all worked extremely [br]closely together.

0:13:50.296,0:13:53.772
Tom Clines is another one who was [br]Ted Shackley's deputy in Laos.

0:13:53.772,0:13:56.503
Extremely well-documented.

0:13:56.503,0:13:57.561
There are still living witnesses.

0:13:57.561,0:13:59.195
There are Air America pilots still alive

0:13:59.195,0:14:01.554
who later became involved in Iran-Contra,

0:14:01.554,0:14:04.041
that we ran the whole war in Laos...

0:14:04.041,0:14:09.503
-- which was completely without, outside [br]of Congressional oversight --

0:14:09.503,0:14:11.988
with heroin.

0:14:11.988,0:14:13.387
We've all heard the stories about heroin

0:14:13.387,0:14:16.218
coming back in body cavities [br]in the dead GIs.

0:14:16.218,0:14:19.436
Air America: Air <i>Heroin</i>, OK? [br]The black planes.

0:14:19.436,0:14:24.109
In the last 19 years, I have spoken [br]to more than a dozen members

0:14:24.109,0:14:25.617
-- former members --

0:14:25.617,0:14:28.094
of the US Army Special Forces, [br]the Green Berets,

0:14:28.094,0:14:32.505
who were sometimes ordered [br]to carry the heroin by CIA.

0:14:32.505,0:14:36.521
We ran this whole war there [br]on heroin money.

0:14:36.521,0:14:39.016
That heroin money did not [br]just pay for the war:

0:14:39.016,0:14:40.923
it paid for a lot of other things.

0:14:40.923,0:14:42.427
Now, what happened is...

0:14:42.427,0:14:45.167
-- and the picture I want [br]to paint to you is --

0:14:45.167,0:14:49.795
I don't know if anyone here is familiar [br]with the disease of alcoholism? OK?

0:14:49.795,0:14:51.692
I happen to be an alcoholic.

0:14:51.692,0:14:55.961
I'm sober 14 years, OK? [br]So I know a little bit about it. (applause)

0:14:55.961,0:15:02.534
And what happens is that it's [br]a progressive disease.

0:15:02.534,0:15:06.584
One is too many, and ten thousand [br]is not enough.

0:15:06.584,0:15:09.387
Once you take a little,[br]you have to take more,

0:15:09.387,0:15:13.619
and there's no way to stop [br]until you crash and burn,

0:15:13.619,0:15:15.289
until you eventually burn yourself out.

0:15:15.289,0:15:17.444
What happened in Vietnam [br]was that by 1970,

0:15:17.444,0:15:18.724
the heroin trade had spilled over,

0:15:18.724,0:15:20.775
and we were selling it to our own GIs.

0:15:20.775,0:15:26.986
One third of the GIs in Vietnam were[br]addicted to heroin when they came back.

0:15:26.986,0:15:28.816
OK? They were smoking it or tootin' it.

0:15:28.816,0:15:32.093
They'd get what's called [br]a stomach jones, OK?

0:15:32.093,0:15:35.177
So, that war continued, I think,

0:15:35.177,0:15:39.421
until the military-industrial complex [br]kind of milked it for all it was worth,

0:15:39.421,0:15:42.785
and until White Middle America [br]took to the streets.

0:15:42.785,0:15:44.986
OK?

0:15:44.986,0:15:47.457
1975, it ended.

0:15:47.457,0:15:50.335
Now I'm gonna tell you about my story,

0:15:50.335,0:15:51.780
because this is where I come[br]into the picture.

0:15:51.780,0:15:54.231
I come from a CIA family.

0:15:54.231,0:15:55.939
I was born in Washington, DC.

0:15:55.939,0:15:59.307
My father was an Air Force officer; [br]he worked for Martin-Marietta

0:15:59.307,0:16:03.952
building the Titan IIICs which [br]put up the Keyhole Spy Satellites.

0:16:03.952,0:16:07.181
My father's cousin Barbara was CIA;

0:16:07.181,0:16:10.995
her husband Sam had been OSS, [br]even before CIA.

0:16:10.995,0:16:15.352
They both did 25, 30 years and [br]retired from the Agency.

0:16:15.352,0:16:17.939
My mother had been Army Intelligence

0:16:17.939,0:16:19.825
working in the code-breaking section [br]in the Pentagon

0:16:19.825,0:16:21.256
during the Second World War.

0:16:21.256,0:16:22.679
So I come from a family of spooks,

0:16:22.679,0:16:25.701
and I will tell you: it was a [br]dysfunctional family. (laughter)

0:16:25.701,0:16:36.780
I was an honors student; I am an honors[br]graduate in Political Science from UCLA.

0:16:36.780,0:16:40.535
I went there from '69 to '73,

0:16:40.535,0:16:42.266
and I was one of two living Republicans

0:16:42.266,0:16:46.395
on the UCLA campus during[br]those years. (laughter)

0:16:46.600,0:16:48.945
The other one was a guy by [br]the name of Craig Fuller.

0:16:48.945,0:16:54.203
Now, I was chosen to intern [br]for Chief Ed David as LAPD,

0:16:54.203,0:16:56.306
having been groomed and [br]having already been spotted

0:16:56.306,0:17:02.940
as part of -- what? -- the Establishment? [br]The in-crowd? An up-and-comer.

0:17:02.940,0:17:07.040
Craig was chosen to intern [br]for Governor Ronald Reagan.

0:17:07.040,0:17:11.058
Craig was George Bush's Chief of Staff[br]during Iran-Contra.

0:17:11.058,0:17:13.704
As I was chosen to intern for Chief Davis, [br]I began...

0:17:13.704,0:17:16.207
I was exposed to people [br]from Army Intelligence

0:17:16.207,0:17:19.625
and an operation known as Garden Plot.

0:17:19.625,0:17:22.621
I was told that I had a Q Clearance[br]when I was 20 years old,

0:17:22.621,0:17:25.816
and I had to go home and ask my father[br]what the hell a Q Clearance <i>was</i>:

0:17:25.816,0:17:27.612
I didn't know!

0:17:27.612,0:17:29.458
In the Organized Crime [br]Intelligence Division,

0:17:29.458,0:17:31.121
I got exposed to one guy in particular

0:17:31.121,0:17:33.426
by the name of John Xavier Bach,

0:17:33.426,0:17:38.137
and I was told that he had... or, he [br]was a CIA-connected guy in LAPD.

0:17:38.137,0:17:43.396
Well, it gets to where I'm just about ready [br]to graduate from UCLA in 1973.

0:17:43.396,0:17:48.484
I'm <i>magna cum laude</i>, [br]and the world is my oyster.

0:17:48.484,0:17:50.424
I had interned for LAPD for three years.

0:17:50.424,0:17:51.709
My family buys me a plane ticket;

0:17:51.709,0:17:53.266
I go back to Washington, DC,

0:17:53.266,0:17:55.830
and I go for an interview with the CIA

0:17:55.830,0:17:57.639
in the old Executive Office Building.

0:17:57.639,0:17:59.100
And here's this guy behind this desk

0:17:59.100,0:18:01.754
with this huge CIA emblem [br]on the wall behind him.

0:18:01.754,0:18:04.187
And he says, "Mike, I've looked [br]at all your stuff."

0:18:04.187,0:18:05.565
"You're just a wonderful kid."

0:18:05.565,0:18:08.638
"You've got a great background; you're in[br]great shape..." you know, da-da-da.

0:18:08.638,0:18:11.089
"What we'd like you to do is [br]to graduate from UCLA,"

0:18:11.089,0:18:13.806
join the CIA as a Case Officer...

0:18:13.806,0:18:16.267
-- and a case officer is the highest[br]rank within the Agency;

0:18:16.267,0:18:18.394
that's the highest <i>level</i>;

0:18:18.394,0:18:22.212
there are levels above that, but [br]that's the crème de la crème --

0:18:22.212,0:18:26.747
"And we want you to, then, after you're[br]a CIA Case Officer, go back,"

0:18:26.747,0:18:29.447
"and go through the Los Angeles Police[br]Department Academy,"

0:18:29.447,0:18:33.407
"and LAPD will be your cover."

0:18:33.407,0:18:34.856
I sat through the interview,

0:18:34.856,0:18:37.355
and I got a stack of papers about[br]that thick for my clearances,

0:18:37.355,0:18:38.679
and I said, "Thank you very much,"

0:18:38.679,0:18:41.379
and I came back to LA, [br]and I threw 'em away.

0:18:41.379,0:18:45.093
And I said, "That's illegal. I don't want [br]anything to do with that."

0:18:45.093,0:18:48.651
I joined LAPD in 1973, was Valedictorian [br]of my Academy class.

0:18:48.651,0:18:50.882
Went to work in an area [br]called The Jungle,

0:18:50.882,0:18:53.384
which is down near Crenshaw [br]and Martin Luther King.

0:18:53.384,0:18:56.061
Was having a great time:

0:18:56.061,0:18:58.641
I was a good cop; I loved it. [br]I'd never had so much fun in my life.

0:18:58.641,0:19:01.416
I mean, it was what I wanted to do, [br]and I thrived on it.

0:19:01.416,0:19:02.589
I specialized in narcotics...

0:19:02.589,0:19:05.140
-- and then I met and fell in love [br]with a CIA agent.

0:19:05.140,0:19:08.531
She came to my regular old cop bar,[br]and we met and fell in love.

0:19:08.531,0:19:16.102
This is what we call the "unofficial [br]recruitment." (laughter)

0:19:16.102,0:19:22.850
It was more fun than the one in the office,[br]I'll tell you that! (laughter)

0:19:22.850,0:19:26.598
And she knew people in LAPD's [br]intelligence divisions.

0:19:26.598,0:19:27.919
I didn't even know who they were.

0:19:27.919,0:19:30.136
She kept mentioning this General [br]by the name of Lee Goforth.

0:19:30.136,0:19:32.028
And I'm going, "Well, who the heck is he?"

0:19:32.028,0:19:33.911
"Well, he's a General, and[br]he deals with <i>terrorists</i>."

0:19:33.911,0:19:35.908
I'm like, "Uh, well, that sounds great."

0:19:35.908,0:19:37.511
Then she'd mention organized [br]crime figures:

0:19:37.511,0:19:39.455
Carlos Marcello, New Orleans;

0:19:39.455,0:19:44.642
Hank Friedman, Dan Horowitz, [br]and other naems like that.

0:19:44.642,0:19:48.159
And then she'd tell me things out of my[br]confidential personnel package at LAPD.

0:19:48.159,0:19:49.481
There are two packages: [br]one in your division,

0:19:49.481,0:19:51.552
and a master one at Parker Center.

0:19:51.552,0:19:54.435
And then after a while, [br]when we got engaged,

0:19:54.435,0:19:58.712
she said, "I work for the government."

0:19:58.712,0:20:02.184
"My people are very interested in having[br]you go to work for me..." or, "for us."

0:20:02.184,0:20:05.808
Bada-bing, bada-boom: and [br]then she started taking trips;

0:20:05.808,0:20:07.138
and she'd come back from Hawaii and say,

0:20:07.138,0:20:09.550
"Yeah, I was in this room, and there [br]were 50 kilos of cocaine"

0:20:09.550,0:20:11.712
"And close to a thousand M-16s."

0:20:11.712,0:20:13.053
Now, me being a narc...

0:20:13.053,0:20:18.056
-- by the way: LAPD, when I was in [br]Watts and I confronted John Deutch said,

0:20:18.056,0:20:23.416
"He's never worked narcotics." OK?

0:20:23.416,0:20:26.329
"United States Department of Justice [br]Drug Enforcement Administration"

0:20:26.329,0:20:28.374
"Michael Craig Ruppert" [br]-- that's me --

0:20:28.374,0:20:30.981
I didn't get it for writing [br]parking tickets.

0:20:30.981,0:20:38.141
I just wanted to do that in case LAPD[br]was watching. (applause)

0:20:38.141,0:20:41.192
I said, "Look, if I'm ever in a room [br]with 50 kilos of cocaine,"

0:20:41.192,0:20:44.013
"somebody's going to jail!" (laughter)

0:20:44.013,0:20:46.701
I mean, what's wrong with you people![br]

0:20:46.701,0:20:49.258
I mean, here I had been on loan [br]to Wilshire narcotics a few times,

0:20:49.258,0:20:51.358
writing search warrants, [br]happy to get an ounce,

0:20:51.358,0:20:53.345
and she's talking about fifty keys!

0:20:53.345,0:20:54.885
And I, you know... "Wow!"

0:20:54.885,0:20:57.723
"No, we never touch the drugs."

0:20:57.723,0:20:59.214
"What?"

0:20:59.214,0:21:00.268
"No, we don't touch the drugs."

0:21:00.268,0:21:01.944
"We kind of follow the guns."

0:21:01.944,0:21:04.924
"<i>Okay</i>. I'm not gonna get involved[br]in anything that overlooks drugs."

0:21:04.924,0:21:07.477
Well, she related the same stories [br]as having occured

0:21:07.477,0:21:09.348
in Baja California;

0:21:09.348,0:21:12.583
in Del Rio, Texas;

0:21:12.583,0:21:13.841
in The Bahamas;

0:21:13.841,0:21:15.703
in New Orleans;

0:21:15.703,0:21:16.841
and I kept saying...

0:21:16.841,0:21:18.730
(responding to inaudible comment) [br]Oh, it was long before Mena.

0:21:18.730,0:21:21.996
This was in 1976. [br]We hadn't even got to Mena yet.

0:21:21.996,0:21:25.830
And I kept saying, "I'm not gonna..."

0:21:25.830,0:21:28.586
And I thought it was some kind of <i>test!</i>

0:21:28.586,0:21:30.866
You know, I thought they were[br]testing my integrity.

0:21:30.866,0:21:32.223
"I'm not gonna do <i>anything</i> [br]that overlooks drugs."

0:21:32.223,0:21:34.146
"Forget it: I'm a <i>cop!</i>"

0:21:34.146,0:21:37.336
Anyway, after a while, it became clear[br]that I was not gonna roll over,

0:21:37.336,0:21:41.022
and she disappeared. (laughter)

0:21:41.022,0:21:42.466
Very suddenly.

0:21:42.466,0:21:43.836
Right after she disappeared,

0:21:43.836,0:21:46.584
a bunch of Italian thugs walked into [br]my mother's real estate office.

0:21:46.584,0:21:51.427
And then I found myself on loan to [br]Organized Crime Intelligence Division.

0:21:51.427,0:21:54.742
And who do I find myself working with[br]but a guy named Lee Goforth,

0:21:54.742,0:21:58.472
who was a senior detective, Detective III [br]in Organized Crime Intelligence

0:21:58.472,0:22:01.529
and a Brigadier General in [br]the California National Guard.

0:22:01.529,0:22:04.192
He was also LAPD's representative[br]to LEIU,

0:22:04.192,0:22:05.843
Law Enforcement Intelligence Unit,

0:22:05.843,0:22:10.202
which is very heavily influenced [br]by the alphabet soup.

0:22:10.202,0:22:11.402
His younger partner, Norm Bonneau,

0:22:11.402,0:22:16.013
and who's in OCID but[br]John Xavier Bach!

0:22:16.013,0:22:18.685
So, now I'm having all kinds [br]of weird things happen:

0:22:18.685,0:22:19.986
hang-up phone calls, burglaries;

0:22:19.986,0:22:20.744
I'm getting followed;

0:22:20.744,0:22:23.675
I have to spy on my mother, [br]gather intelligence.

0:22:23.675,0:22:25.206
This is a little stressful.

0:22:25.206,0:22:31.801
In 1977, I got burglarized.

0:22:31.801,0:22:34.909
Now, she left saying that someone was[br]trying to kill her, and that was the cover.

0:22:34.909,0:22:36.229
Somebody stole one of my guns;

0:22:36.229,0:22:38.250
somebody stole a photograph of her;

0:22:38.250,0:22:42.692
somebody got an address that I had[br]just gotten on her in New Orleans.

0:22:42.692,0:22:46.113
So my Captain, who was, to this day,[br]one of the finest men I've ever known,

0:22:46.113,0:22:47.455
a guy by the name of Jesse Brewer,

0:22:47.455,0:22:50.829
who was the black Police Commissioner[br]here in Los Angeles

0:22:50.829,0:22:52.173
during the time of the riots

0:22:52.173,0:22:53.089
-- a wonderful human being --

0:22:53.089,0:22:54.392
went to bat for me. He said,

0:22:54.392,0:22:56.979
"Look, OCID is lying. What do you want?[br]Take a vacation."

0:22:56.979,0:22:59.546
I went to New Orleans. And that was[br]the biggest mistake of my life.

0:22:59.546,0:23:02.927
I got to New Orleans, and she's got an[br]apartment with a scrambler phone.

0:23:02.927,0:23:05.356
And I didn't know what it was.

0:23:05.356,0:23:06.986
It's just like this eight-pound telephone

0:23:06.986,0:23:09.496
that looks like a normal phone,

0:23:09.496,0:23:13.030
but it has a little thing that you plug[br]into a wall socket,

0:23:13.030,0:23:14.471
and you plug that in.

0:23:14.471,0:23:17.614
And I had to describe it years later[br]to an Air Force officer.

0:23:17.614,0:23:19.212
He says, "That's a KY3."

0:23:19.212,0:23:20.778
At the time, it required a TS Clearance.

0:23:20.778,0:23:22.914
A TS or Crypto Clearance.

0:23:22.914,0:23:27.239
She had this black night vision device[br]that she carried around in a paper bag.

0:23:27.239,0:23:29.978
Naval and Air Force NCOs from[br]Belle Chase Naval Air Station

0:23:29.978,0:23:32.577
were bringing her communiqués.

0:23:32.577,0:23:34.503
And it was funny, because [br]they'd be in civilian clothes,

0:23:34.503,0:23:36.607
but they'd have the military shoes on

0:23:36.607,0:23:39.408
and their military ID card sticking up[br]out of their shirt pocket.

0:23:39.408,0:23:43.262
I mean, great disguise! (laughter)

0:23:43.262,0:23:45.660
And they'd bring these [br]sealed communiqués.

0:23:45.660,0:23:47.262
And then there was this guy [br]named Freddy

0:23:47.262,0:23:50.750
who had been a veteran of the Third [br]Battalion Fifth Special Forces,

0:23:50.750,0:23:53.596
who she went out with at night,

0:23:53.596,0:23:55.250
and I got to meet a whole [br]bunch of people

0:23:55.250,0:23:58.037
that worked for a company [br]named Brown and Root.

0:23:58.037,0:24:00.403
Major CIA contractor. They built [br]Cam Rahn Bay.

0:24:00.403,0:24:03.515
They are one the major homes [br]of sheep-dipped employees.

0:24:03.515,0:24:04.774
For those of you who don't know [br]what sheep-dipping is,

0:24:04.774,0:24:09.247
it's when CIA takes a guy out [br]of the Agency spy school

0:24:09.247,0:24:12.542
and puts them in IBM or some company[br]as their cover

0:24:12.542,0:24:14.062
to go travel around the world.

0:24:14.062,0:24:17.560
So all these people are [br]shipping out for Iran.

0:24:17.560,0:24:19.946
Oh, by the way: I didn't mention

0:24:19.946,0:24:21.997
that Teddy grew up with the [br]niece of the Shah of Iran,

0:24:21.997,0:24:24.703
and she used to get letters [br]all the time from Iran,

0:24:24.703,0:24:26.408
and Teddy was American.

0:24:26.408,0:24:29.829
And one time the Shah's nephew, [br]Shahyar [Pahlbod]

0:24:29.829,0:24:31.461
came and picked her up, [br]took her out to dinner.

0:24:31.461,0:24:33.591
So anyway, I'm watching her [br]make arrangements

0:24:33.591,0:24:35.157
for all kinds of guns to leave.

0:24:35.157,0:24:37.945
And then later I'm hearing[br]her make arrangements

0:24:37.945,0:24:43.028
for certain packages to be dropped [br]off on oil rigs in the Gulf.

0:24:43.028,0:24:45.910
And they would be stashed on the[br]oil rigs, down on the pilings,

0:24:45.910,0:24:48.298
and bubbleheads, as they call them

0:24:48.298,0:24:49.853
-- deep-sea divers, hardhats --

0:24:49.853,0:24:53.691
would go down and pull up [br]the packages of heroin

0:24:53.691,0:24:56.905
at the same time that a service boat [br]coming out to bring food

0:24:56.905,0:25:01.684
would arrive at the oil rig, not subject[br]to Customs search.

0:25:01.684,0:25:03.986
And the divers would just toss [br]the heroin, then home.

0:25:03.986,0:25:07.314
Carlos Marcello controlled the whole [br]dock operation in New Orleans,

0:25:07.314,0:25:08.830
so here I saw...

0:25:08.830,0:25:14.084
and the name CIA was dropped six [br]or seven times while I was there.

0:25:14.084,0:25:17.148
I saw scrambled communications, [br]and letterheads, and all this stuff.

0:25:17.148,0:25:19.461
So they were controlling an operation

0:25:19.461,0:25:21.808
where drugs were going out [br]and guns were coming in.

0:25:21.808,0:25:24.270
This is was in 1977.

0:25:24.270,0:25:28.431
So after eight days, I said, [br]"Goodbye, I'm leaving"

0:25:28.431,0:25:29.774
"I don't want anything to do[br]with you people."

0:25:29.774,0:25:32.463
And for those of us who have [br]been through this,

0:25:32.463,0:25:34.387
it is a very painful loss of innocence.

0:25:34.387,0:25:40.493
I can't tell you how painful it is to begin to[br]discover that your country is <i>really dirty</i>.

0:25:40.493,0:25:44.144
And you do it in stages. [br]You don't let go all at once.

0:25:44.144,0:25:48.017
I came back, I told everybody, [br]"Leave me alone," and they wouldn't.

0:25:48.017,0:25:48.961
I kept getting followed, chased.

0:25:48.961,0:25:51.636
I got shot at once in New Orleans.

0:25:51.636,0:25:53.716
And I would up going into a hospital [br]for stress,

0:25:53.716,0:25:56.413
basically because OCID said

0:25:56.413,0:25:59.278
they were gonna commit me under one [br]of <i>their</i> psychiatrists. (crowd murmurs)

0:25:59.278,0:26:01.249
So I said, "OK, I'm going into [br]my own hospital."

0:26:01.249,0:26:03.178
And I got tested eight ways from Sunday,

0:26:03.178,0:26:05.765
and they said I was perfectly sane,

0:26:05.765,0:26:08.017
and I fought a little battle [br]and was injured on duty.

0:26:08.017,0:26:11.819
I returned, earned the highest rating [br]reports possible in LAPD;

0:26:11.819,0:26:14.816
was about to be promoted; was [br]on staff at the Police Academy:

0:26:14.816,0:26:17.365
And the Iranian Revolution broke loose.

0:26:17.365,0:26:19.209
And I started to make some more [br]connections,

0:26:19.209,0:26:22.109
and that's when I started getting[br]death threats, and burglarized.

0:26:22.109,0:26:24.342
I wound up taking a tape-recorded [br]eath threat,

0:26:24.342,0:26:26.553
and I asked to see Chief Daryl Gates.

0:26:26.553,0:26:29.731
Where do you go if Organized Crime[br]Intelligence is lying to you?

0:26:29.731,0:26:33.403
In LAPD, there is no place else[br]you go but the Chief.

0:26:33.403,0:26:34.860
And I said, "I've got a problem."

0:26:34.860,0:26:36.832
Because Daryl Gates had just[br]been made Chief,

0:26:36.832,0:26:38.752
and his bodyguard-driver was a guy

0:26:38.752,0:26:43.118
by the name of John Xavier Bach. [br](crowd murmers)

0:26:43.118,0:26:46.832
And I said, "I can't see Daryl while [br]Bach's there, because he's CIA."

0:26:46.832,0:26:50.331
And I got a message back from [br]Sergeant Pickering,

0:26:50.331,0:26:52.248
a friend of mine who had [br]relayed the message:

0:26:52.248,0:26:55.740
"Well, the chief realizes that somebody [br]may be trying to kill you."

0:26:55.740,0:26:59.806
"He's kind of busy. He can give you five[br]or ten minutes in a week or ten days."

0:26:59.806,0:27:02.557
"Would you like to make [br]an appointment?"

0:27:02.557,0:27:06.392
I wanna show you something.

0:27:09.454,0:27:11.507
I'm gonna being giving this out [br]at the press conference

0:27:11.507,0:27:15.272
at the rally that we're doing [br]this weekend.

0:27:15.272,0:27:24.178
This is from the <i>Los Angeles Times</i>, and[br]the date on this is November 17th, 1984:

0:27:24.178,0:27:27.480
"Officers' Moonlighting Probed."

0:27:27.480,0:27:29.502
If you read this, it talks about [br]a Detective

0:27:29.502,0:27:31.016
who went back to Organized Crime [br]Intelligence

0:27:31.016,0:27:33.533
named John Xavier Bach.

0:27:33.533,0:27:36.005
And it says... it says here... it says...

0:27:36.005,0:27:39.896
"Copies of official records of the [br]California Department of Justice that"

0:27:39.896,0:27:41.633
"contain information about criminal [br]history"

0:27:41.633,0:27:43.370
"of members of the Jewish [br]Defense League..." da-da-da,

0:27:43.370,0:27:45.108
"government code," da-da-da...[br]OK:

0:27:45.108,0:27:50.664
"turned over a transcript of the [br]conversation between Glalley and Earl (sp)

0:27:50.664,0:27:52.774
to an employee of the [br]Central Intelligence Agency

0:27:52.774,0:27:56.613
whom Ripaski (sp) identified[br]as Jack Harmeyer (sp).

0:27:56.613,0:27:59.869
He was moonlighting for the Central [br]Intelligence Agency on city time,

0:27:59.869,0:28:04.846
and he was convicted in [br]municipal court, OK?

0:28:04.846,0:28:08.114
No corroboration for my story [br]whatsoever, right?

0:28:08.114,0:28:10.424
Not according to the <i>LA Times</i>.

0:28:10.424,0:28:14.377
I had alleged in 1978 [br]that he was CIA, OK?

0:28:14.377,0:28:17.727
So I wound up resigning.

0:28:17.727,0:28:18.733
I got an attorney,

0:28:18.733,0:28:21.154
and I got an attorney who was [br]a former FBI Intelligence agent.

0:28:21.154,0:28:23.575
(laughter)

0:28:23.575,0:28:25.998
Don't hold it against me. [br]Look we have to learn...

0:28:25.998,0:28:28.795
I was way ahead of you guys on this,[br]you know. This was in '78.

0:28:28.795,0:28:34.132
I went to the FBI, went to Sam Hayakawa,[br]Bob Dornin, Alan Cranston. (sp)

0:28:34.132,0:28:37.486
Sam Hayakawa was a very gracious [br]and wonderful gentleman.

0:28:37.486,0:28:40.221
He was the only elected official [br]who ever went to bat for me.

0:28:40.221,0:28:43.209
In all these years, he is the <i>only</i> [br]one who ever did.

0:28:43.209,0:28:47.271
Anyway: got on the record [br]wherever I could,

0:28:47.271,0:28:49.840
and I documented everything [br]I had seen in New Orleans.

0:28:49.840,0:28:55.398
So sum up: the points that I made in[br]four-and-a-half hour complaint to the FBI

0:28:55.398,0:28:58.811
that I later made to a reporter David[br]Rosensweig (sp) at the <i>LA Times</i>

0:28:58.811,0:29:02.126
-- who, until recently, was Assistant[br]Managing Editor at the <i>LA Times</i> --

0:29:02.126,0:29:06.453
to all the Congresspeople, [br]to everything else, I said:

0:29:06.453,0:29:12.015
"Carlos Marcello, guns, drugs, CIA, Hawaii,[br]California, Mexico, submarines,"

0:29:12.015,0:29:16.656
"Texas, Louisiana, terrorism, [br]and rebel groups"

0:29:16.656,0:29:18.916
That was in 1978.

0:29:18.916,0:29:22.983
Item from the <i>Los Angeles Times</i>:

0:29:22.983,0:29:28.515
-- you're gonna love this one --

0:29:28.515,0:29:32.057
"Guns for drugs trade booming, [br]reports disclose.'

0:29:32.057,0:29:33.080
From <i>Newsday</i>.

0:29:33.080,0:29:36.513
<i>Times</i> didn't write it, but they [br]reprinted this story from <i>Newsday</i>, OK?

0:29:36.513,0:29:39.942
And what it says is: "Carlos Marcello, [br]guns, drugs, terrorist groups,"

0:29:39.942,0:29:43.497
"Baja California, submarines, Texas, [br]Louisiana, The Bahamas..."

0:29:43.497,0:29:46.414
and everything I had said a year before.

0:29:46.414,0:29:51.656
The <i>LA Times</i> said, "There's no [br]story here!" (laughter, murmuring)

0:29:51.656,0:29:53.212
No corroboration.

0:29:53.212,0:29:55.160
David Rosenzweig (sp), after this [br]came out, was promoted

0:29:55.160,0:30:01.397
from Staff Writer to [br]Assistant City Editor, OK?

0:30:01.985,0:30:05.146
I called the writer for that story, [br]Tom Renard (sp),

0:30:05.146,0:30:07.241
and I mentioned the name Bonneau.

0:30:07.241,0:30:09.539
He said, "Wait a minute: LAPD, Bonneau?"

0:30:09.539,0:30:10.693
-- turned through his pages --

0:30:10.693,0:30:12.024
"I've got this guy Bonneau's name"

0:30:12.024,0:30:16.203
"in connection with a CIA machine gun[br]factory in Mexico."

0:30:16.203,0:30:17.633
-- "Uh, wait a minute. OK." --

0:30:17.633,0:30:19.746
So he says, "Call this investigator,[br]Bill Christianson, who's working for"

0:30:19.746,0:30:21.537
"Deconcini's [Sub-]Committee on Improvements in Judicial Machinery"

0:30:23.328,0:30:25.121
Great name.

0:30:25.121,0:30:27.597
So I call Christianson up and[br]I run through all the stuff.

0:30:27.597,0:30:30.759
Now I know: CIA is dealing drugs.[br]They're protecting Marcello.

0:30:30.759,0:30:31.868
They're hand-in-glove;

0:30:31.868,0:30:36.472
they're partners, and CIA is [br]profiting from the deals, OK?

0:30:36.472,0:30:37.963
I call Christianson, I lay it out.[br]He says,

0:30:37.963,0:30:40.843
"You're right! My offices are bugged;[br]I'm getting followed;"

0:30:40.843,0:30:42.713
"We were burglarized last week."

0:30:42.713,0:30:49.039
This is a Senate investigator. [br]This is 1979. OK?

0:30:49.039,0:30:51.645
He says, "We'll get you back[br]here to testify."

0:30:51.645,0:30:56.651
That was the first time I was [br]promised I could testify.

0:30:56.651,0:30:58.603
A short time later, I had to start[br]looking for a job.

0:30:58.603,0:30:59.646
I was a writer.

0:30:59.646,0:31:00.993
I had been laid off from one writing job,

0:31:00.993,0:31:02.546
and I couldn't find a job [br]anywhere in this city.

0:31:02.546,0:31:04.597
And I would see unmarked[br]LAPD cars turning up

0:31:04.597,0:31:06.007
outside of places where [br]I would go for interviews.

0:31:06.007,0:31:10.160
After about three weeks, [br]I took a job at a 7-11 store,

0:31:10.160,0:31:11.946
because I needed to eat.

0:31:11.946,0:31:14.173
My first day on the job, [br]somebody calls up and says,

0:31:14.173,0:31:15.797
"Is Mike Ruppert working today?"

0:31:15.797,0:31:18.644
My second day on the job,

0:31:18.644,0:31:21.876
I was arrested for selling [br]liquor to a minor.

0:31:21.876,0:31:27.187
The second time I was shot at: [br]after that, I was dead drunk.

0:31:27.187,0:31:28.288
I was on my lawn.

0:31:28.288,0:31:30.857
I mean, I really didn't care much [br]anymore, and somebody shot at me.

0:31:30.857,0:31:32.266
I didn't even bother [br]to report it at that time.

0:31:32.266,0:31:34.139
I was just ready to give up.

0:31:34.139,0:31:35.906
But you can't give up.

0:31:35.906,0:31:37.463
That's what I found out.

0:31:37.463,0:31:44.861
(applause)

0:31:45.783,0:31:46.970
I wish I had a choice.

0:31:46.970,0:31:48.891
I really do wish I had a choice.

0:31:48.891,0:31:51.647
So I kept pursuing and pursuing [br]and pursuing,

0:31:51.647,0:31:56.048
and eventually one reporter,

0:31:56.048,0:32:05.543
from the days when we had a paper [br]in this town... (laughter) (applause)

0:32:05.543,0:32:07.128
Randall Sullivan.

0:32:07.128,0:32:09.984
I made the front page of the <i>Herald Examiner</i> two Sundays in a row,

0:32:09.984,0:32:13.227
October 11th and October 18th, 1981.

0:32:13.227,0:32:14.094
There's a full page.

0:32:14.094,0:32:17.580
I love this part: it says, "Mike Ruppert,[br]perhaps LAPD's most intelligent officer."

0:32:17.580,0:32:19.240
I really like that one.

0:32:19.240,0:32:21.907
If I'm so intelligent, [br]what am I doing this for?

0:32:21.907,0:32:23.943
OK, it lays out all this stuff about CIA.

0:32:23.943,0:32:26.125
It actually even finally mentioned[br]down here

0:32:26.125,0:32:27.792
-- after the end of two parts [br]in two weeks --

0:32:27.792,0:32:30.719
CIA dealing drugs.

0:32:30.719,0:32:34.146
So I am on the record in October of 1981.

0:32:34.146,0:32:39.467
I even have documents back from the[br]FBI saying that I said it back in 1980.

0:32:39.467,0:32:43.646
So I do have a claim to some [br]seniority here. (laughter)

0:32:43.646,0:32:45.805
What that gets me, I have no idea.

0:32:45.805,0:32:51.492
Now, by this time, Ronald Reagan[br]is President.

0:32:51.492,0:32:57.034
Craig Fuller is Assistant to President [br]Reagan for Cabinet Affairs.

0:32:57.034,0:32:59.322
Craig Fuller's name turns up [br]in this article.

0:32:59.322,0:33:00.756
I had a letter from Craig:

0:33:00.756,0:33:03.283
"Any time you're in Washington, [br]come and see me."

0:33:03.283,0:33:04.659
"I'd love to see ya."

0:33:04.659,0:33:06.716
So I fly back with Part Two [br]under my arm.

0:33:06.716,0:33:12.168
October 26, 1981, I am invited into [br]the West Wing of the White House.

0:33:12.168,0:33:14.812
(silence; single audience [br]member whistles)

0:33:14.812,0:33:16.635
And I get into the basement.

0:33:16.635,0:33:18.611
Now, the Senate was gonna say that...

0:33:18.611,0:33:21.413
Senate Intelligence was gonna [br]say I was never there,

0:33:21.413,0:33:25.140
because two original White House letters[br]were burglarized from my home

0:33:25.140,0:33:27.197
just three months ago.

0:33:27.197,0:33:28.773
The same day that a senior investigator

0:33:28.773,0:33:30.159
for Senate Select Al Cummings

0:33:30.159,0:33:34.396
called me and asked me if I had original[br]letters on White House stationery.

0:33:34.396,0:33:34.997
(audience murmurs)

0:33:34.997,0:33:36.579
He's been very helpful, [br]by the way, though.

0:33:36.579,0:33:39.130
I mean, he told LAPD he was[br]doing an active investigation:

0:33:39.130,0:33:40.797
"Yeah, we were trying to get [br]these letters,"

0:33:40.797,0:33:42.739
"and everything Mike said is true,"

0:33:42.739,0:33:45.052
"and we had trouble faxing them,"

0:33:45.052,0:33:46.895
and all kinds of shit.

0:33:46.895,0:33:48.127
Excuse me: I said a bad word.

0:33:48.127,0:33:52.041
So anyway, I get into Craig's office,

0:33:52.041,0:33:54.456
and just for the record, Craig's office:

0:33:54.456,0:33:57.122
if you're looking at the West Wing, [br]you go in through the portico.

0:33:57.122,0:33:59.677
You take a hard right past [br]the receptionist,

0:33:59.677,0:34:01.342
and on the far side of the reception area,

0:34:01.342,0:34:03.672
there's a very steep and [br]narrow staircase,

0:34:03.672,0:34:06.366
because it's built over so many years.

0:34:06.366,0:34:08.334
You go down to the bottom [br]of the staircase;

0:34:08.334,0:34:09.731
you take a hard right and come back,

0:34:09.731,0:34:13.131
and he had the corner office facing[br]Pennsylvania Avenue and 17th.

0:34:13.131,0:34:16.412
Tell me I wasn't there, OK?

0:34:16.412,0:34:18.243
I sat in his office and[br]we talked for a while,

0:34:18.243,0:34:19.186
and then I said,

0:34:19.186,0:34:24.550
Craig, look: CIA's really heavily[br]infiltrated LAPD,

0:34:24.550,0:34:27.940
and CIA is complicit in bringing [br]drugs into this country,

0:34:27.940,0:34:29.375
and it's wrong.

0:34:29.375,0:34:32.268
Now, I'll tell you exactly [br]what Craig said:

0:34:32.268,0:34:35.894
(silence)

0:34:35.894,0:34:37.010
(laughter)

0:34:37.010,0:34:40.692
He did not move; he did not breathe; [br]he did not <i>anything</i>,

0:34:40.692,0:34:44.651
until I changed the subject, OK?

0:34:44.651,0:34:46.082
Not:

0:34:46.082,0:34:47.509
"Oh my God, I'm a public servant!"

0:34:47.509,0:34:50.014
"What you're alleging is a great [br]outrage to the American people."

0:34:50.014,0:34:52.841
"It's offense to the Constitution [br]and any sense of decency"

0:34:52.841,0:34:55.445
"possessed by any human being [br]anywhere in the world."

0:34:55.445,0:34:55.866
Not:

0:34:55.866,0:34:58.919
"My God, this is terrible! Somebody [br]needs to look into this! This is awful!"

0:34:58.919,0:35:02.815
He just sat stone silent.

0:35:02.815,0:35:07.919
And then George Bush made him his [br]Chief of Staff in the second Reagan term.

0:35:07.919,0:35:12.149
And I remember walking out of the [br]White House and saying to myself,

0:35:12.149,0:35:18.887
"Self, where do I go now?"

0:35:18.887,0:35:20.517
So I came back to Los Angeles,

0:35:20.517,0:35:23.808
and it was one of the several times[br]I tried to put all this behind me.

0:35:23.808,0:35:26.058
And of course, events just [br]kept catching up again,

0:35:26.058,0:35:30.964
because in 1981 Oliver North[br]was just getting started.

0:35:30.964,0:35:34.618
Now, in January of '82, I went to UCLA

0:35:34.618,0:35:36.138
-- which was my school --

0:35:36.138,0:35:39.360
and I sought out the ranking expert [br]on Middle East affairs

0:35:39.360,0:35:40.942
in the Political Science department,

0:35:40.942,0:35:42.781
a guy named Paul Jabber.

0:35:42.781,0:35:45.659
You're gonna love this one, this story!

0:35:45.659,0:35:46.798
So, I go to Paul Jabber's office.

0:35:46.798,0:35:48.579
Now, by now I've pieced [br]some stuff together

0:35:48.579,0:35:50.477
about why the guns are going [br]and where they're going.

0:35:50.477,0:35:56.723
And I've narrowed it down to probably [br]the Kurds, maybe the Baluchis,

0:35:56.723,0:36:01.889
and it had to do with arming a group [br]in Iran to fight somebody...

0:36:01.889,0:36:03.364
-- excuse me --

0:36:03.364,0:36:06.066
mildly in connection, maybe, [br]with the revolution,

0:36:06.066,0:36:07.219
but I wasn't sure.

0:36:07.219,0:36:12.114
But I had names of people like Shackley[br]-- and we'll get to that in a minute.

0:36:12.114,0:36:14.923
See, he says, "My God, Mike: [br]your analysis is brilliant!"

0:36:14.923,0:36:17.968
"Did you know, by the way, [br]hat I was a CIA consultant"

0:36:17.968,0:36:23.286
"and a State Department consultant [br]for Jimmy Carter?" (laughter)

0:36:23.286,0:36:28.575
Do you ever feel like God's following [br]you around with this stuff? (laughter)

0:36:28.575,0:36:29.578
And I said, "No..."

0:36:29.578,0:36:31.316
And he said, [br]"Listen: I have secrecy oaths,"

0:36:31.316,0:36:32.685
"and I have these agreements [br]that I've signed."

0:36:32.685,0:36:34.748
I can't <i>tell</i> you outright;

0:36:34.748,0:36:38.652
but why don't you go read the [br]<i>New York Times</i> on these dates,

0:36:38.652,0:36:41.693
articles by C. L. Sulzberger and [br]William Safire,

0:36:41.693,0:36:45.367
and look up the Kurds,[br]and tell me what you think.

0:36:45.367,0:36:46.982
So I went and did it, and I [br]pieced it all together.

0:36:46.982,0:36:49.266
And what happened was, [br]on March 3, 1975...

0:36:49.266,0:36:56.755
-- March 3, 1975: April, 1975 [br]is when Saigon fell.

0:36:56.755,0:36:58.832
Remember the context of history. --

0:36:58.832,0:37:01.562
March 3, 1975: the Shah of Iran [br]and Saddam Hussein

0:37:01.562,0:37:02.920
signed the Treaty of Algiers.

0:37:02.920,0:37:08.044
We had been arming the Kurds for [br]decades to fight against Iraq

0:37:08.044,0:37:13.181
so that Iraq could not attack Israel, OK?

0:37:13.181,0:37:16.821
Through Iraq. And what[br]the Shah said was,

0:37:16.821,0:37:19.810
S"Saddam, if you give me the [br]hatt al-Arab waterway,"

0:37:19.810,0:37:23.333
"I can double my oil exports, and[br]I'll cut off all aid to the Kurds,"

0:37:23.333,0:37:24.424
"and you can massacre them,"

0:37:24.424,0:37:26.680
"and then your army's free to do[br]whatever you want to do."

0:37:26.680,0:37:30.033
So they shook hands at the [br]Treaty of Algiers: March 3, '75.

0:37:30.033,0:37:34.377
Within weeks, about 8-10,000 Kurds [br]were massacred.

0:37:34.377,0:37:37.227
So I pieced it together, and I [br]went back to Paul Jabber,

0:37:37.227,0:37:38.445
and I said,[br]"Well, what happened was, then,"

0:37:38.445,0:37:41.070
"in order to keep the Kurds alive,"

0:37:41.070,0:37:43.139
"they used the opium-smuggling [br]routes..."

0:37:43.139,0:37:44.363
-- Kurdistan being, by the way,

0:37:44.363,0:37:48.008
the second-largest opium-growing[br]region in the world --

0:37:48.008,0:37:51.743
"to smuggle out opium, [br]which was made into heroin"

0:37:51.743,0:37:54.765
"and sold here to buy the guns[br]to keep the Kurds alive."

0:37:54.765,0:37:56.912
He says, "You're absolutely right."

0:37:56.912,0:37:59.981
"The decision was made at the [br]National Security Council level..."

0:37:59.981,0:38:02.549
-- read that, folks: that's [br]the White House! --

0:38:02.549,0:38:09.696
to sell heroin to American citizens[br]to keep the Kurds alive. OK?

0:38:09.696,0:38:12.903
(Man in audience) Maybe [br]that was just a pretext!

0:38:12.903,0:38:16.346
Moving right on. [br]Do you guys pay him, or what?

0:38:16.346,0:38:18.148
(laughter, applause) [br]OK.

0:38:18.148,0:38:19.639
Remember Southeast Asia here,[br]where I wrote some names

0:38:19.639,0:38:21.313
like Ted Shackley, Tom Clines, [br]Richard Secord?

0:38:21.313,0:38:23.470
What happened in 1975?

0:38:23.470,0:38:24.770
The Vietnam War ended.

0:38:24.770,0:38:29.000
Ted Shackley moved and became [br]Deputy Director of Central Intelligence

0:38:29.000,0:38:32.366
in charge of covert operations [br]for the Middle East.

0:38:32.366,0:38:36.870
Richard Secord was transfered [br]to Iran as the Air Attaché.

0:38:36.870,0:38:39.413
Richard Armitage was transferred to Iran

0:38:39.413,0:38:43.705
on missions connected with [br]banking and finance.

0:38:43.705,0:38:45.470
Is this beginning to sound familiar here?

0:38:45.470,0:38:49.326
Is there a pattern shaping up h[br]ere somewhere? OK?

0:38:49.326,0:38:52.617
The same players from Southeast Asia[br]moved to Iran.

0:38:52.617,0:38:56.794
The same players from Iran in 1980[br]moved into Pakistan

0:38:56.794,0:38:59.406
when the Russians invaded Afghanistan.

0:38:59.406,0:39:03.438
Everywhere these people go, there is[br]a huge boom in the drug trade.

0:39:03.438,0:39:08.158
Pakistan, before the invasion [br]by the Soviets,

0:39:08.158,0:39:13.040
had supplied zero percent [br]f American heroin.

0:39:13.040,0:39:14.707
(man in audience) You mean [br]Afghanistan.

0:39:14.707,0:39:16.941
Afghanistan: well, no. [br]They had invaded Afghanistan,

0:39:16.941,0:39:20.825
but all of the American supply operations[br]were run from Pakistan.

0:39:20.825,0:39:25.766
The <i>mujahideen</i> were armed [br]through American bases in Pakistan

0:39:25.766,0:39:27.356
over into the border.

0:39:27.356,0:39:29.604
By the middle of that conflict,

0:39:29.604,0:39:33.119
40 to 60 percent of the heroin [br]n this country

0:39:33.119,0:39:39.157
was coming from -- guess where? -- Pakistan. Duh!

0:39:39.157,0:39:46.245
So, now we move to Iran-Contra.

0:39:46.245,0:39:48.985
The Bowen Amendment says, [br]"No more lethal aid to the Contras."

0:39:48.985,0:39:50.677
"Cut 'em off."

0:39:50.677,0:39:51.919
Reagan says, "We'll go private..."

0:39:51.919,0:39:56.827
Oliver North, by the way, started to get[br]involved back in Iran and Pakistan.

0:39:56.827,0:39:58.961
He starts cropping up.

0:39:58.961,0:40:01.668
Now we have the Contra[br]supply operation.

0:40:01.668,0:40:02.592
And who do we find?

0:40:02.592,0:40:04.726
-- Oh, by the way: John Singlaub [br]went to the Middle East, too --

0:40:04.726,0:40:07.240
Now, who do we find cropping [br]up in Iran-Contra?

0:40:07.240,0:40:13.732
John Singlaub, Richard Secord, [br]Ted Shackley, Richard Armitage...

0:40:13.732,0:40:16.496
all the same people. Oliver North,[br]again: the same people

0:40:16.496,0:40:18.100
-- for 40 years, 50 years --

0:40:18.100,0:40:22.350
have been doing the same thing. OK?

0:40:22.350,0:40:23.723
Now we get to Iran-Contra.

0:40:23.723,0:40:25.220
And I'm not gonna spend[br]a great deal of time

0:40:25.220,0:40:27.335
on all this stuff that's already out.

0:40:27.335,0:40:30.643
I will give you one specific[br]case illustrating,

0:40:30.643,0:40:36.028
and that's the case of Juan Ramón [br]Matta-Ballesteros, of Honduras.

0:40:36.028,0:40:38.657
And during the early years of the[br]Iran-Contra era,

0:40:38.657,0:40:41.986
Honduras was supplying [br]approximately 50 percent

0:40:41.986,0:40:44.374
of the cocaine consumed i[br]n this country,

0:40:44.374,0:40:46.567
through Matta-Ballesteros.

0:40:46.567,0:40:50.296
Duane Clarridge, CIA Station Chief,

0:40:50.296,0:40:55.074
had contracted with [br]Matta's airline, SETCO,

0:40:55.074,0:40:59.725
for exclusive contracting for [br]Contra supply operations.

0:40:59.725,0:41:07.638
DEA station in Honduras was [br]ordered closed in 1982.

0:41:07.638,0:41:10.139
Juan Ramón Matta-Ballesteros [br]was very closely connected

0:41:10.139,0:41:16.703
with a Mexican cartel run by [br]Felix Gallardo and Rafael Caro Quintero.

0:41:16.703,0:41:20.194
Everybody remember Kiki Camerena?

0:41:20.194,0:41:25.322
Kiki Camerena was investigating[br]Gallardo and Quintero.

0:41:25.322,0:41:27.959
He was chasing a CIA drug ring [br]when he was murdered.

0:41:27.959,0:41:29.579
And I have found one of the men, [br]the CIA agents,

0:41:29.579,0:41:31.730
who was on the mission where[br]Kiki was murdered.

0:41:31.730,0:41:33.729
And we're gonna get into that in a second.

0:41:33.729,0:41:34.935
Now, I want to backtrack a little bit.

0:41:34.935,0:41:39.685
A lot has been overlooked about the[br]role of the US military in drug-dealing,

0:41:39.685,0:41:41.903
as ordered by the CIA.

0:41:41.903,0:41:43.864
Over 20 years of my investigations,

0:41:43.864,0:41:45.071
what I see is several things.

0:41:45.071,0:41:47.123
First of all, what I call the [br]"shadow government,"

0:41:47.123,0:41:49.007
which includes many agencies...

0:41:49.007,0:41:53.038
-- DIA, Defense Department, NSA... [br]they're everywhere, OK? --

0:41:53.038,0:41:56.748
had used large components [br]of the military.

0:41:56.748,0:42:00.081
Many people here... let me ask:

0:42:00.081,0:42:02.447
is anyone here familiar with [br]the Watchtower missions?

0:42:02.447,0:42:05.624
I see a couple of hands. OK.

0:42:05.624,0:42:09.268
The Watchtower missions took [br]place in the mid- to late-'70s.

0:42:09.268,0:42:11.757
Elements of the Seventh Special [br]Forces Group Airborne

0:42:11.757,0:42:15.737
were ordered from Panama by a guy[br]by the name of Edwin Wilson

0:42:15.737,0:42:19.654
on orders from a guy by the name [br]of Tom Clines

0:42:19.654,0:42:22.728
-- Ted Shackley's deputy; Ted Shackley[br]is now out of the agency --

0:42:22.728,0:42:29.205
to take Special Action Teams into [br]Colombia and plant radar beacons,

0:42:29.205,0:42:34.401
so the cocaine flights can fly below radar[br]and land at Albrook Airfield in Panama.

0:42:34.401,0:42:35.720
Special Forces troops were there,

0:42:35.720,0:42:37.410
including one William Tyree,

0:42:37.410,0:42:39.305
as Manuel Noriega meets the aircraft,

0:42:39.305,0:42:43.039
along with Ed Wilson and a [br]guy named Michael Harari

0:42:43.039,0:42:45.492
of the Israeli Mossad, OK?

0:42:45.492,0:42:47.764
There were three series [br]of these missions,

0:42:47.764,0:42:50.662
each commanded by a different [br]Special Forces Colonel.

0:42:50.662,0:42:53.250
All of these Special Forces [br]Colonels are dead.

0:42:53.250,0:42:56.391
Actually, there are five Special Forces[br]Colonels who have been murdered:

0:42:56.391,0:43:00.791
Baker, Rowe, Cutolo, Malvesti, [br]and Bayard, OK?

0:43:00.791,0:43:02.012
There was...

0:43:02.012,0:43:03.626
it centers around an affidavit

0:43:03.626,0:43:08.752
called the Cutolo Affadavit.

0:43:08.752,0:43:14.801
These are some of my documents [br]relevant to Watchtower.

0:43:14.801,0:43:19.509
And I'll tell you right up front [br]that the affadavit of Ed Cutolo,

0:43:19.509,0:43:21.161
Colonel at Tenth Special Forces,

0:43:21.161,0:43:23.093
-- he went from the Seventh [br]to the Tenth --

0:43:23.093,0:43:25.950
this is the cover sheet:

0:43:25.950,0:43:28.948
it was not written by [br]Colonel Edward Cutolo.

0:43:28.948,0:43:30.028
One of the reasons why I know that

0:43:30.028,0:43:32.181
is because he refers to the[br]Panamanian Defense Forces,

0:43:32.181,0:43:33.995
and Ed Cutolo was murdered in 1980,

0:43:33.995,0:43:39.581
and they weren't named the Panamanian[br]Defense Forces until '85. OK?

0:43:39.581,0:43:43.047
But everything in his affidavit[br]has been corroborated.

0:43:43.047,0:43:44.493
He left files with people at the NSA,

0:43:44.493,0:43:46.654
and I know who the people are.

0:43:46.800,0:43:48.697
But we're not gonna discuss[br]names there.

0:43:48.697,0:43:54.113
Every aspect of the Watchtower missions[br]has been corroborated independently

0:43:54.113,0:43:56.025
by other affidavits.

0:43:56.025,0:44:02.439
We fast-forward to 1978, 1979, '80.

0:44:02.439,0:44:05.237
Cutolo is now commander of[br]Tenth Special Forces Group Airborne

0:44:05.237,0:44:06.856
at Fort Devens, Massachusetts.

0:44:06.856,0:44:09.148
And we have an operation [br]known as Orwell.

0:44:09.148,0:44:12.966
Due to the massive CIA drug operations,[br]they were afraid of leaks.

0:44:12.966,0:44:16.050
Now remember, when I left LAPD, [br]it was November 30, 1978.

0:44:16.050,0:44:18.177
Orwell was at its peak then.

0:44:18.177,0:44:23.044
Army Security Agency, [br]Special Forces personnel,

0:44:23.044,0:44:26.685
military intelligence personnel were [br]ordered to bug and wiretap courthouses,

0:44:26.685,0:44:29.995
politicians, anybody who had [br]any knowledge.

0:44:29.995,0:44:31.330
We have affidavits from people

0:44:31.330,0:44:34.679
who pulled mics out of courthouse [br]walls in Massachusetts.

0:44:34.679,0:44:37.027
They did John Kerry.

0:44:37.027,0:44:38.024
They did Tip O'Neill.

0:44:38.024,0:44:42.305
They did anybody, any politician who [br]might expose these operations.

0:44:42.305,0:44:45.358
Now, we have a Sergeant Bill Tyree [br]who was on these missions,

0:44:45.358,0:44:47.346
who had been on the missions[br]in Central America,

0:44:47.346,0:44:50.458
who had been ordered to do [br]these surveillances,

0:44:50.458,0:44:52.339
-- and he wanted out.[br]

0:44:52.339,0:44:54.220
He got sick to his stomach.

0:44:54.220,0:44:56.102
He'd had enough.

0:44:56.102,0:44:57.609
This was not America to him.

0:44:57.609,0:44:59.396
His wife had been keeping diaries.

0:44:59.396,0:45:03.140
They murdered his wife, [br]and they framed him for it.

0:45:03.140,0:45:06.669
We have affidavits from people saying [br]he wasn't even at the murder scene.

0:45:06.669,0:45:10.746
We have a letter from the District [br]Attorney who prosecuted the case,

0:45:10.746,0:45:12.850
who was gay,

0:45:12.850,0:45:14.064
who was being blackmailed [br]by Special Forces saying,

0:45:14.064,0:45:18.536
"Please destroy the videotape showing [br]the murderer other than Tyree"

0:45:18.536,0:45:20.487
"coming out of the bedroom window."

0:45:20.487,0:45:22.037
OK?

0:45:22.037,0:45:22.975
There's so much proof that...

0:45:22.975,0:45:24.458
he's been in prison now eighteen years.

0:45:24.458,0:45:27.088
I talked to him yesterday. OK?

0:45:27.088,0:45:29.306
And as we move along with this case,

0:45:29.306,0:45:31.548
we get more and more information [br]about Watchtower.

0:45:31.548,0:45:35.854
This -- I will hold up for you here --

0:45:35.854,0:45:40.140
this is what the Army has to say [br]about Watchtower (laughter)

0:45:40.140,0:45:50.497
And then they say it never existed; [br]it just wasn't there.

0:45:50.497,0:45:54.614
The Central Intelligence Agency -- if I [br]can find it quickly, and I probably can't --

0:45:54.614,0:45:57.654
but I have documents that he got from[br]the Central Intelligence Agency

0:45:57.654,0:45:59.999
that says, "There was no[br]Watchtower mission."

0:45:59.999,0:46:02.647
-- it's a six-page letter in reponse to his[br]Freedom of Information Act Request --

0:46:02.647,0:46:06.124
They go through three-and-a-half [br]pages of "There is no Watchtower,"

0:46:06.124,0:46:07.348
and then -- badda-bing, badda-boom --

0:46:07.348,0:46:10.821
it says at the end, "We are reviewing [br]all of our Watchtower documents"

0:46:10.821,0:46:14.079
"because we've had so many requests[br]for them; and as soon as..."

0:46:14.079,0:46:15.268
Then they wrote him and said,

0:46:15.268,0:46:17.450
"Can we have our last letter back?"

0:46:17.450,0:46:22.423
Believe it or not, they did. (laughter)

0:46:22.423,0:46:25.464
These people are not as smart[br]as we give them credit for.

0:46:25.464,0:46:30.221
(applause) They use fear as a tool, OK?

0:46:30.221,0:46:34.359
There is so much evidence [br]about Watchtower.

0:46:34.359,0:46:36.757
And I have spoken to many [br]Special Forces people.

0:46:36.757,0:46:39.806
This came out, by the way, through [br]Bo Gritz, who I've met several times,

0:46:39.806,0:46:43.884
after Paul Neary of the National Security[br]Agency died of natural causes,

0:46:43.884,0:46:45.026
it was forwarded to Bo,

0:46:45.026,0:46:47.633
and Bo started to release [br]it in the early '90s.

0:46:47.633,0:46:51.943
And there is a ton...

0:46:51.943,0:46:54.438
I mean, if this guy ever gets a trial, [br]he's free.

0:46:54.438,0:46:57.440
And In my speech Saturday at the rally,

0:46:57.440,0:46:59.715
I'm going to be talking about Bill Tyree.

0:46:59.715,0:47:03.497
I'm going to be talking about the twelve[br]or so members of Special Forces

0:47:03.497,0:47:05.458
who have shared with me[br]the shame they carry

0:47:05.458,0:47:11.209
at having been ordered[br]to do things like this.

0:47:11.209,0:47:16.428
Now, I want to get to someone who's [br]even gonna make you feel worse,

0:47:16.428,0:47:18.987
if that's possible.

0:47:18.987,0:47:25.132
Ah, thank you.

0:47:25.132,0:47:30.860
Pardon me, I'm gonna hit the glass.

0:47:31.860,0:47:35.129
This is a guy that I get to take credit[br]for discovering all by myself.

0:47:35.129,0:47:37.315
Again, I have such wonderful luck.

0:47:37.315,0:47:43.093
Colonel Albert Vincent Carone.

0:47:43.093,0:47:46.213
In this copyrighted report[br]that I wrote in 1994,

0:47:46.213,0:47:47.257
I called him the missing link

0:47:47.257,0:47:51.991
between Iran-Contra cocaine operations[br]and organized crime.

0:47:51.991,0:47:55.847
This man was 20 years with the [br]New York Police Department,

0:47:55.847,0:47:58.471
a detective,

0:47:58.471,0:48:01.787
who happened to be involved in [br]a couple of very key NYPD cases

0:48:01.787,0:48:05.926
known as The French Connection [br]and The Prince of the City,

0:48:05.926,0:48:09.270
for which my colleague Jimmy Rothstein[br], a retired NYPD detective,

0:48:09.270,0:48:14.762
deserves great credit as having [br]uncovered the CIA links to both cases.

0:48:14.762,0:48:20.755
This is a picture of Colonel Albert [br]Carone after his retirement from NYPD.

0:48:20.755,0:48:23.916
He was caught sodomizing[br]two twelve-year-old boys,

0:48:23.916,0:48:25.710
and they gave him a pension.

0:48:25.710,0:48:30.098
He had been a bagman and a CIA [br]operative for his whole career.

0:48:30.098,0:48:32.427
He is the counterpart in NYPD

0:48:32.427,0:48:34.555
for what they wanted me and others [br]to do at LAPD,

0:48:34.555,0:48:38.421
except for... this guy died, [br]by the way, in 1990.

0:48:38.421,0:48:42.231
I've held his personal phone book [br]in my hand.

0:48:42.231,0:48:43.474
Let me backtrack again:

0:48:43.474,0:48:48.456
the death certificate when he died: [br]we call it "the CIA flu."

0:48:48.456,0:48:55.763
The death certificate read [br]"chemical toxicity of unknown etiology,"

0:48:55.763,0:48:57.132
(laughter)

0:48:57.132,0:49:00.314
His liver and brain self-destructed [br]over a period of six months,

0:49:00.314,0:49:02.581
and no doctor, of about eleven [br]doctors who treated him,

0:49:02.581,0:49:04.828
could figure out what was causing it.

0:49:04.828,0:49:11.396
I've held his phone book in my hand, [br]Colonel Albert Carone,

0:49:11.396,0:49:15.506
and in that phone book, I found William[br]Casey's home phone number

0:49:15.506,0:49:19.693
in Locust Valley, Long Island.

0:49:19.693,0:49:23.492
I found the home phone number[br]for Paulie Castellano.

0:49:23.492,0:49:26.238
Anybody know who Paulie Castellano is?

0:49:26.238,0:49:28.781
He's the guy who took over [br]the Gambino crime family.

0:49:28.781,0:49:31.776
"Matty the Horse" Ianniello.

0:49:31.776,0:49:35.453
Pete Licavoli.

0:49:35.453,0:49:38.156
More mobsters than you [br]can shake a stick at.

0:49:38.156,0:49:41.944
Now, I found a couple other [br]names in the phone book.

0:49:41.944,0:49:44.868
Go back to Southeast Asia: remember [br]what I wrote on the board up here?

0:49:44.868,0:49:49.947
Paul Helliwell and Richard Stillwell: [br]home phone numbers.

0:49:49.947,0:49:54.061
Also key players in a bank called the[br]Nugan-Hand bank, out of Australia,

0:49:54.061,0:49:58.436
which was the CIA's drug bank, who had[br]Bill Colby as its chief counsel.

0:49:58.436,0:50:03.362
Uh, this is a clue! This is a clue! OK... [br](laughter)

0:50:03.362,0:50:06.447
He went on a mission to Mexico in 1985

0:50:06.447,0:50:08.136
with a guy named James Robert Strauss.

0:50:08.136,0:50:10.834
-- I have no idea how long [br]I've been going --

0:50:10.834,0:50:11.644
(Host) You're OK.

0:50:11.644,0:50:17.694
OK. James Robert Strauss: [br]who used to brag about

0:50:17.694,0:50:20.480
having taken quiet walks on the beach[br]with Richard Nixon.

0:50:20.480,0:50:24.952
I hope they weren't <i>too</i> close. (laughter)

0:50:24.952,0:50:26.326
And he came back from [br]this mission saying,

0:50:26.326,0:50:28.394
"My God! We killed two DEA agents."

0:50:28.394,0:50:32.649
"We massacred a whole bunch [br]of innocent civilians in Chiapas."

0:50:32.649,0:50:36.083
-- you know that there's a revolution [br]going on in Chiapas, now --

0:50:36.083,0:50:40.725
"And I've lost my stomach: [br]I can't do this anymore."

0:50:40.725,0:50:44.320
He had been laundering cocaine profits[br]from the CIA through the Mafia

0:50:44.320,0:50:47.751
for about 25, 30 years,

0:50:47.751,0:50:51.598
and he lost his stomach.

0:50:51.598,0:50:55.174
Not after sodomizing the boys, [br]or killing people, or anything,

0:50:55.174,0:50:56.911
but when two DEA agents finally killed,

0:50:56.911,0:50:58.892
something finally clicked: [br]"something is wrong."

0:50:58.892,0:51:02.790
Do we have any other evidence, [br]by the way?

0:51:02.790,0:51:06.021
Here is one of the pages from [br]one of his surviving passports.

0:51:06.021,0:51:07.397
If anybody knows anything [br]about passports,

0:51:07.397,0:51:08.815
he had a black one,

0:51:08.815,0:51:10.562
he had a maroon one,

0:51:10.562,0:51:11.688
he had a green one,

0:51:11.688,0:51:13.366
and he had a blue one...

0:51:13.366,0:51:16.466
-- in three different names.

0:51:16.466,0:51:18.884
Here's a passport stamp showing[br]three-day circuits

0:51:18.884,0:51:24.900
from John F. Kennedy, to London Heathrow,[br]to Nassau, the Bahamas.

0:51:24.900,0:51:26.334
Could he have been laundering stuff?

0:51:26.334,0:51:27.941
I don't know.

0:51:27.941,0:51:30.224
We have some bank account [br]numbers at NatWest,

0:51:30.224,0:51:32.205
the National Bank of Westminster,

0:51:32.205,0:51:36.886
and Coutts & Co., one of which is still live.[br]His daughter has it.

0:51:36.886,0:51:39.089
We have military records.

0:51:39.089,0:51:44.346
We have travel records from [br]Strauss, Downing and Associates.

0:51:44.346,0:51:45.904
His partner had an insurance company,

0:51:45.904,0:51:49.215
but for a guy who sold insurance [br]domestically,

0:51:49.215,0:51:54.483
why would he need to go to [br]Johannesburg; Hong Kong; London;

0:51:54.483,0:52:00.549
Kuala Lumpur; Seoul; Luanda, Angola; [br]the Jersey Islands

0:52:00.704,0:52:03.553
-- they do a lot of laundering in the [br]Jersey Islands off the British coast --

0:52:03.553,0:52:10.904
Casablanca; Madrid... and then I've got[br]five pages of travel records.

0:52:10.904,0:52:14.763
When Albert Carone died of chemical [br]toxicity of unknown etiology,

0:52:14.783,0:52:16.586
several things happened.

0:52:16.586,0:52:20.619
Every military record of [br]the guy disappeared.

0:52:20.619,0:52:24.203
His New York Police pension [br]disappeared.

0:52:24.203,0:52:29.228
His bank accounts disappeared.

0:52:29.228,0:52:31.863
His insurance policies disappeared.

0:52:31.863,0:52:36.632
His driver's license record [br]in New Mexico disappeared.

0:52:36.632,0:52:37.991
Every record of this man

0:52:37.991,0:52:41.152
was sanitized in the space [br]of three weeks.

0:52:41.152,0:52:43.576
His daughter, Dee Carone Ferdinand

0:52:43.576,0:52:45.727
-- whom I love dearly, and who is [br]one of my closest friends --

0:52:45.727,0:52:49.007
was left utterly broke and bankrupt: [br]wiped out.

0:52:49.007,0:52:53.261
She wrote to Pete Domenici's office [br]and sent a picture of this phtograph,

0:52:53.261,0:52:54.813
saying, "My father was a Colonel."

0:52:54.813,0:52:57.272
And the Army said, [br]"He was a Sergeant in World War II,"

0:52:57.272,0:52:59.371
and that's what they buried him as: [br]a Master Sergeant.

0:52:59.371,0:53:03.217
Pete Domenici's office called her back[br]and said, "He rented the uniform."

0:53:03.217,0:53:08.531
OK. All right, well, then we'll just have [br]to assume that twelve years earlier,

0:53:08.619,0:53:10.994
he rented a uniform as a Major.

0:53:10.994,0:53:19.049
With exactly the same decorations. [br]Hmm.

0:53:19.576,0:53:26.532
She really went to bat, because [br]everything was sanitized.

0:53:26.532,0:53:28.553
And she admits that her father [br]was not a good man,

0:53:28.553,0:53:32.400
but everything that he had left her[br]was wiped out,

0:53:32.400,0:53:37.689
and she lost probably $25-30,000 [br]of her own money,

0:53:37.689,0:53:40.367
and she is dying to testify [br]before Congress.

0:53:40.367,0:53:46.091
I went out and met with her [br]in '94... '93, actually...

0:53:46.091,0:53:50.475
and gathered all this information, wrote [br]my report, talked to the doctors.

0:53:50.475,0:53:55.534
I mean, here's some of his diplomas [br]from Intelligence School,

0:53:55.534,0:53:56.865
and so on and so forth.

0:53:56.865,0:53:58.706
And he was flying a lot of...

0:53:58.706,0:54:01.154
he was involved with people flying drugs[br]in and out of Mid-Valley Airport.

0:54:01.154,0:54:03.038
and Mid-Valley is a counterpart to Mena.

0:54:03.038,0:54:05.444
The only reason why Mena is so popular[br]now is... two reasons:

0:54:05.444,0:54:06.879
because of the size and quanity of drugs,

0:54:06.879,0:54:08.760
and because it was Bill Clinton's state.

0:54:08.760,0:54:10.214
But there are many Menas in this country.

0:54:10.214,0:54:13.034
Don't confuse yourself here, folks.

0:54:13.034,0:54:17.319
Many Menas, everywhere, OK?

0:54:17.319,0:54:21.899
So, after doing all of this investigation,

0:54:21.899,0:54:23.532
photographing everything that I could,

0:54:23.532,0:54:29.086
I said to her, "Well, from my research[br]and all these years of study,"

0:54:29.086,0:54:32.512
"there's only one guy in the world that[br]I can think of that you need to talk to"

0:54:32.512,0:54:35.371
"who can help you do anything [br]about your father's case."

0:54:35.371,0:54:38.805
"His name is Ted Shackley."

0:54:38.805,0:54:40.492
By the way, did you know [br]that Ted Shackley,

0:54:40.492,0:54:41.970
when Oliver North ran for Senate,

0:54:41.970,0:54:45.206
was leasing Oliver North office space [br]for, like, five dollars a month?

0:54:45.206,0:54:48.639
No connection, no connection.

0:54:48.639,0:54:52.281
So, she finds a guy named [br]Robert Mayhew

0:54:52.281,0:54:54.250
who's living in New Mexico.

0:54:54.250,0:54:57.860
Mayhew puts her in touch [br]with Shackley.

0:54:57.860,0:55:01.231
Now, her father's buried, and the [br]headstone reads, "Staff Sergeant."

0:55:01.231,0:55:04.602
After three years of trying to get that[br]changed to "Colonel,"

0:55:04.602,0:55:06.530
she calls Ted Shackley.

0:55:06.530,0:55:10.934
Six weeks later, the headstone [br]says full Colonel.

0:55:10.934,0:55:12.742
We have before and after photographs.

0:55:12.742,0:55:14.543
We have a copy of the order [br]when she was...

0:55:14.543,0:55:16.636
she's an Italian from Brooklyn: [br]she stole it.

0:55:16.636,0:55:18.729
What can I tell you? (laughter)

0:55:18.729,0:55:20.823
We have a copy of the order [br]directing the change, OK?

0:55:20.823,0:55:24.869
No connection. No connection [br]whatsoever.

0:55:24.869,0:55:29.610
This case, if we pull this one, [br]we'll really pull it apart.

0:55:29.610,0:55:31.640
But how many cases like that are there?

0:55:31.640,0:55:32.587
There's dozens.

0:55:32.587,0:55:35.421
There's dozens and dozens [br]and dozens of cases.

0:55:35.421,0:55:38.065
I want to talk about one more case.

0:55:38.065,0:55:42.754
Anybody recognize this guy?

0:55:42.754,0:55:44.784
Colonel Jim Sabow.

0:55:44.784,0:55:47.257
Full Colonel, United States Marine Corps.

0:55:47.257,0:55:51.915
Chief of Air Operations, [br]El Toro Marine Air Station.

0:55:51.915,0:55:53.848
Murdered in 1991.

0:55:53.848,0:55:55.752
Now, what's significant about 1991?

0:55:55.752,0:55:59.021
The Cold War had been over for about[br]four years, three years.

0:55:59.021,0:56:01.803
Iran-Contra was over.

0:56:01.803,0:56:04.595
Why was he murdered?

0:56:04.595,0:56:08.527
This guy, by the way, was about [br]as straight-arrow as you can get.

0:56:08.527,0:56:11.888
Devout Roman Catholic. His wife [br]went to mass every day.

0:56:11.888,0:56:14.757
He went every day that he could.

0:56:14.757,0:56:17.105
The "family man of doom:"

0:56:17.105,0:56:19.453
the best family man you [br]could ever imagine.

0:56:19.453,0:56:21.802
Spotless Marine Corps record.

0:56:21.802,0:56:27.657
He caught C-130s flying onto El Toro [br]with thousand-kilo loads of cocaine.

0:56:27.657,0:56:32.500
His brother is one of the main speakers [br]at our rally on Saturday,

0:56:32.500,0:56:35.106
Doctor David Sabow.

0:56:35.106,0:56:39.584
Now, the Naval Investigative Service [br]said that he committed suicide.

0:56:39.584,0:56:40.848
Now, why did they say [br]he committed suicide?

0:56:40.848,0:56:44.082
Because he sent a bookcase to his son [br]on a military flight

0:56:44.082,0:56:47.024
that was flying empty from point A [br]to point B,

0:56:47.024,0:56:51.705
and they were gonna ruin his career[br]for that dishonor.

0:56:51.705,0:56:53.026
It happens all the time, folks!

0:56:53.026,0:56:55.708
If the space is empty anyway, [br]who cares?

0:56:55.708,0:56:58.194
And he says, [br]"You're not gonna do that to me!"

0:56:58.194,0:57:01.299
He was gonna blow the whistle.

0:57:01.299,0:57:04.707
But according to the Naval Investigative[br]Service and the Marine Corps,

0:57:04.707,0:57:09.116
Colonel Jim Sabow went out into his [br]back yard with a 12-gauge shotgun,

0:57:09.116,0:57:13.240
shoved it so hard into his mouth

0:57:13.240,0:57:17.309
that he sheared off the uvula [br]at the back of his throat

0:57:17.309,0:57:19.571
-- now, you know, if you're [br]gonna commit suicide,

0:57:19.571,0:57:23.689
why would you put yourself through [br]all that stuff just to commit suicide? --

0:57:23.689,0:57:25.774
The funny thing about the [br]Sabow murder case

0:57:25.774,0:57:32.322
is that he aspirated blood for ten minutes[br]after they said he blew his brians out.

0:57:32.322,0:57:33.916
Now, think about that for a minute, folks.

0:57:33.916,0:57:36.111
If you're dead, you're not breathing.

0:57:36.111,0:57:40.226
How can you aspirate blood[br]after you've killed yourself?

0:57:40.226,0:57:43.407
It's impossible.

0:57:43.407,0:57:47.384
They also found a deep skull fracture

0:57:47.384,0:57:50.559
on the back of the skull, right back here,

0:57:50.559,0:57:54.408
with a hematoma. You don't hematoma...

0:57:54.408,0:57:56.950
-- that doesn't sound like a...[br]it sounds like a dance --

0:57:56.950,0:58:00.681
you don't get hematomas if you're dead.

0:58:00.681,0:58:02.585
That's a result of the body[br]trying to heal itself

0:58:02.585,0:58:05.199
and fluid rushing to the wound.

0:58:05.199,0:58:07.666
Somebody knocked him out -- boom!

0:58:07.666,0:58:12.834
Let him lie on the ground for ten minutes[br]with a skull fracture, inhaling blood,

0:58:12.834,0:58:17.894
before they shoved a shotgun so hard [br]down his throat it sheared off his uvula.

0:58:17.894,0:58:19.052
OK?

0:58:19.052,0:58:25.209
This report contains the reports of [br]eight different forensic pathologists,

0:58:25.209,0:58:28.873
who have all said this man did not [br]commit suicide: he was murdered.

0:58:28.873,0:58:32.826
The brother, Dr. David Sabow, [br]is a medical doctor

0:58:32.826,0:58:35.630
who lives in South Dakota.

0:58:35.630,0:58:38.345
He's been fighting this case non-stop [br]since Jim was murdered.

0:58:38.345,0:58:40.831
And he's winning some cases.

0:58:40.831,0:58:43.268
His attorney now is Daniel Sheehan,

0:58:43.268,0:58:46.319
who people have many [br]mixed opinions about,

0:58:46.319,0:58:48.290
who was the head of the Christic Institute[br]back in the '80s,

0:58:48.290,0:58:50.123
but Danny's doing a good job[br]with this case.

0:58:50.123,0:58:52.241
What happened with the Marine Corps [br]and the Navy

0:58:52.241,0:58:54.069
as Dr. Sabow tried to fight this,

0:58:54.069,0:58:58.706
was there were some loyal Marines who[br]snuck out some records and some notes,

0:58:58.706,0:59:02.375
which said: "Get David Sabow."

0:59:02.375,0:59:04.294
The Marine Corps went after[br]his medical license,

0:59:04.294,0:59:07.447
saying that people should [br]do illegal things,

0:59:07.447,0:59:09.701
and of course that didn't go anywhere.

0:59:09.701,0:59:11.969
But they have the documented [br]records about a strategy

0:59:11.969,0:59:16.892
designed to make Dr. Sabow [br]lose his medical license.

0:59:17.542,0:59:20.722
They are trying to move ahead with trial,

0:59:20.722,0:59:25.279
and he just won a major decision in[br]the US Ninth Circuit here in California.

0:59:25.279,0:59:27.396
Not on the CIA issue,

0:59:27.396,0:59:31.934
but granting him broad discovery [br]to subpoena the military records

0:59:31.934,0:59:40.205
regarding the cocaine activities.[br](applause)

0:59:40.710,0:59:43.470
Again, David Sabow will be one [br]of our speakers Saturday,

0:59:43.470,0:59:44.677
as weill Cele Castillo.

0:59:44.677,0:59:46.738
Mike Levine was supposed to come.

0:59:46.738,0:59:50.103
He wound up with a 102 [br]temperature yesterday

0:59:50.103,0:59:52.794
after testifying for about[br]two weeks in San Diego

0:59:52.794,0:59:55.718
in a case where two agents[br]murdered a sailor down there,

0:59:55.718,0:59:57.422
and he's been ordered back [br]to New York to go to bed.

0:59:57.422,0:59:59.499
So we're going to miss Mike, [br]but he's here in spirit.

0:59:59.499,1:00:04.165
So I guess what I want[br]to say to you is this:

1:00:04.165,1:00:09.119
this is bigger than any of us think.

1:00:09.119,1:00:10.619
They've been flying in drugs [br]all over this country.

1:00:10.619,1:00:13.138
They've been dealing drugs to Americans[br]for 40 or 50 years.

1:00:13.138,1:00:18.020
But go back to the analogy that I gave[br]you before about the drunk on a binge.

1:00:18.020,1:00:20.727
OK? We can see that it's been getting [br]worse and worse and worse.

1:00:20.727,1:00:23.939
They have utterly corrupted [br]the criminal justice system.

1:00:23.939,1:00:25.611
When we have a guy like Stanley Sporkin

1:00:25.611,1:00:29.163
sitting on the US District Court [br]in Washington, DC...

1:00:29.163,1:00:30.737
Do you know who Stanley Sporkin is?

1:00:30.737,1:00:34.606
Retired Chief Counsel for the[br]Central Intelligence Agency.

1:00:34.606,1:00:37.964
He sits on the bench, on the [br]US District Court in Washington.

1:00:37.964,1:00:41.866
His email messages read: [br]"To Stanley from Ollie,"

1:00:41.866,1:00:45.277
during the Iran-Contra era.

1:00:45.277,1:00:49.570
You want to talk about a chokepoint [br]to control key cases?

1:00:49.570,1:00:51.859
I have spoken to people who used to work

1:00:51.859,1:00:56.146
for a company called eSystems in Texas.

1:00:56.146,1:00:59.197
I see old Bob going crazy over there [br]about eSystems.

1:00:59.197,1:01:05.032
Their children, one of them had[br]had her son murdered

1:01:05.032,1:01:06.405
because he discovered eSystems.

1:01:06.405,1:01:12.148
eSystems makes all the encryption [br]devices for the NSA and CIA.

1:01:12.148,1:01:14.703
There is not a secret that[br]the government has

1:01:14.703,1:01:16.720
that eSystems does not also have.

1:01:16.720,1:01:20.133
Sitting on the Board of Directors of[br]eSystems is Admiral William Raborn,

1:01:20.133,1:01:23.604
retired Director of Central Intelligence.

1:01:23.604,1:01:26.071
We have documented eSystems CIA flights

1:01:26.071,1:01:29.280
dropping massive loads of cocaine [br]into Lake Tawakoni,

1:01:29.280,1:01:33.448
landing at the eSystems airport [br]in Garland, Texas. OK?

1:01:33.448,1:01:38.140
There is proof. There is an [br]enormous amount of proof.

1:01:38.140,1:01:42.091
What do we do, OK?[br]What do we do, all right?

1:01:42.091,1:01:46.718
20 years: I want to share with you [br]my experience, strength, and hope

1:01:46.718,1:01:48.924
having looked at this for 20 years,

1:01:48.924,1:01:52.312
being a graduate of Political Science [br]from UCLA,

1:01:52.312,1:01:55.700
having knocked on every door.

1:01:55.700,1:01:59.089
There isn't a thing you can think of[br]that I haven't tried, OK?

1:01:59.089,1:02:01.662
I'm gonna tell you what we do.

1:02:01.662,1:02:02.921
I'll tell you that...

1:02:02.921,1:02:11.808
there were times, for me, in the 20 years,[br]that I've had incredible depressions,

1:02:11.808,1:02:16.277
incredible heartache, incredible[br]disillusionment, utter hopelessness,

1:02:16.277,1:02:20.145
knowing that I was going to die[br]and never see a day of justice.

1:02:20.145,1:02:23.356
And I'll tell you, I think I'm beginning[br]to understand how a slave felt,

1:02:23.356,1:02:26.287
knowing that he was going to die

1:02:26.287,1:02:31.075
and that neither he nor his children [br]would have any hope of seeing freedom.

1:02:31.075,1:02:35.029
And there were times when I thought...

1:02:35.029,1:02:40.336
and I used to manage the largest gun[br]store in the state, B&B. (applause)

1:02:40.336,1:02:45.033
-- And I got so much good information [br]out of B&B!

1:02:45.033,1:02:46.888
Because we'd sell to all these Feds, [br]and they'd come in.

1:02:46.888,1:02:49.139
I'd say, "Yeah, come on back and shoot[br]this MP-5." And the guy would just

1:02:49.139,1:02:55.130
start blabbering all kinds of stuff to me.[br]It was wonderful! --

1:02:55.130,1:02:57.951
There were times when I wanted, [br]like others

1:02:57.951,1:03:00.772
-- and I will not criticize them --

1:03:00.772,1:03:03.595
to go to the hills.

1:03:03.595,1:03:05.701
I have no family. I've never had children.

1:03:05.701,1:03:10.721
I was told that if I ever had children, [br]they'd kill 'em.

1:03:10.721,1:03:12.879
And I thought about going to the hills [br]and giving up,

1:03:12.879,1:03:17.227
and waiting just for a chance[br]to go out fighting.

1:03:17.227,1:03:19.218
But I will tell you what I have [br]learned in 20 years:

1:03:19.218,1:03:29.756
that it takes more courage to stand up[br]and talk than it does to fight.

1:03:31.245,1:03:35.439
(applause)

1:03:35.439,1:03:37.171
What is happening now...

1:03:37.171,1:03:39.784
-- and in a minute or so, I'm going [br]to turn it over to Mike Novick

1:03:39.784,1:03:41.501
from the Crack the CIA Coalition --

1:03:41.501,1:03:47.107
what I see happening now is a potential[br]miracle of Biblical proportions.

1:03:47.107,1:03:52.481
I happen to believe in God. [br]I have a higher power.

1:03:52.481,1:03:59.186
I could not be sober 14 years otherwise.[br](applause)

1:03:59.186,1:04:05.366
I do not believe that my God [br]has ordained, for me, suffering.

1:04:05.366,1:04:08.954
I don't believe that he has ordained [br]an Armageddon.

1:04:08.954,1:04:11.088
I don't believe that he has asked me[br]to do anything,

1:04:11.088,1:04:15.312
but to do the right thing in faith [br]one day at a time.

1:04:15.312,1:04:19.351
What's gonna happen Saturday[br]is that, in one sense,

1:04:19.351,1:04:22.850
the lion is going to lay down [br]with the lamb.

1:04:22.850,1:04:25.775
These people who are in the [br]Crack the CIA coalition

1:04:25.775,1:04:30.040
-- of which I have been a part, now, [br]for I guess about a month or so?

1:04:30.040,1:04:33.351
Six weeks? Whatever --

1:04:33.351,1:04:36.662
are people you would not ordinarily associate with.

1:04:36.662,1:04:39.975
On a daily basis, I work hand-in-hand [br]with a former Black Panther.

1:04:39.975,1:04:44.910
There are people from socialist [br]organizations,

1:04:44.910,1:04:48.947
and there are people from labor parties,

1:04:48.947,1:04:50.635
and there are black militants.

1:04:50.635,1:05:02.267
And there are Indians and Hispanics [br]and... Democrats! You know? (laughter)

1:05:02.267,1:05:03.661
And I want you to know something:

1:05:03.661,1:05:06.685
these people are standing up for <i>you.</i>

1:05:06.685,1:05:10.172
These people plan to go [br]to the street to say,

1:05:10.172,1:05:12.441
"CIA is dealing drugs, and it's wrong."

1:05:12.441,1:05:13.636
And they plan to stand up,

1:05:13.636,1:05:15.873
which is the most courageous [br]thing we can do

1:05:15.873,1:05:19.198
to go to the street and exercise[br]First Amendment rights.

1:05:19.198,1:05:22.429
And they're doing it for you, and me, [br]and the stockbrokers in New York,

1:05:22.429,1:05:24.221
and the rich housewives in Saint Louis.

1:05:24.221,1:05:28.924
And they're putting aside all of[br]their differences, saying,

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"This is not about anything other[br]than right and wrong." (applause)

1:05:40.571,1:05:47.131
See, what the Agency, what the Shadow[br]Government has done for so long

1:05:47.131,1:05:49.499
is to pit us against each other:

1:05:49.499,1:05:52.266
black against white, against rich,[br]against poor,

1:05:52.266,1:05:55.170
against gay, against straight, [br]against cop...

1:05:55.170,1:05:58.428
We've been turned... you know, [br]and we react.

1:05:58.428,1:06:01.862
Last night I was on the show, KIEV, [br]and this guy calls in and goes,

1:06:01.862,1:06:04.526
"Well, it's the Communist conspiracy,"

1:06:04.526,1:06:07.505
"and you've got Tom Hayden [br]endorsing this, and... my God!"

1:06:07.505,1:06:11.734
And, "They're gonna start violence, [br]and it's the Communists taking..."

1:06:11.734,1:06:14.535
I said, "Wait a minute.[br]Hold it just a minute!"

1:06:14.535,1:06:16.765
"You know, sure, there were [br]Communists,"

1:06:16.765,1:06:18.995
"and they weren't good people."

1:06:18.995,1:06:21.227
"But how about the fact that we brought [br]all these Gestapo and SS"

1:06:21.227,1:06:26.258
"into our Special Forces and our [br]Central Intelligence Agency?"

1:06:26.258,1:06:27.962
"Those are Nazis!"

1:06:27.962,1:06:30.648
I said, "Why don't we just do this [br]like, 'I'm a cop.'"

1:06:30.648,1:06:33.668
"'I don't care what political party[br]a bad guy belongs to'"

1:06:33.668,1:06:38.056
"'I just want to make the arrest,[br]you know?'"

1:06:38.056,1:06:42.260
(applause)

1:06:42.260,1:06:45.734
If we can do what I'm hoping [br]we can do on Saturday,

1:06:45.734,1:06:48.610
we will have 10, 15,000 people[br]in the streets.

1:06:48.610,1:06:50.744
And I pray to God some of you are there.

1:06:50.744,1:06:52.677
And there are people coming from [br]various parts of the country,

1:06:52.677,1:06:54.449
and there are people [br]from the right as well.

1:06:54.449,1:06:57.824
And we can have a show of <i>Americans</i>

1:06:57.824,1:07:02.389
standing up in the street for [br]<i>American rights</i>,

1:07:02.389,1:07:04.024
So that when we do get justice,

1:07:04.024,1:07:05.955
everybody can go back to [br]doing their own thing.

1:07:05.955,1:07:16.820
But if we do not hang together,[br]we shall all surely hang separately. OK?

1:07:16.820,1:07:17.829
(applause)

1:07:17.829,1:07:19.915
We're trying to do something [br]which is really dangerous,

1:07:19.915,1:07:23.718
and if we pull it off, we're gonna [br]scare the bad guys to death.

1:07:23.718,1:07:25.601
We are gonna make a statement,

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when they look through the crowd [br]and see who's there,

1:07:27.964,1:07:30.125
and see that we can pull this off

1:07:30.125,1:07:34.475
non-violently, peacefully, with [br]enthusiasm and cooperation.

1:07:34.475,1:07:37.030
This is something that hasn't been done.

1:07:37.030,1:07:39.534
It takes more courage to stand up [br]than it does to fight.

1:07:39.534,1:07:42.113
It takes more courage to talk [br]and to say "I believe,"

1:07:42.113,1:07:45.816
"And I am willing to say you are <i>wrong.</i>"

1:07:45.816,1:07:47.293
Because we're afraid of the ostracism:

1:07:47.293,1:07:50.575
well, let's stand up together and see [br]if we can't change something.

1:07:50.575,1:07:53.169
I want to call upon Mike, and we'll [br]et him talk for a few minutes.

1:07:53.169,1:07:54.898
Then we'll take questions.

1:07:54.898,1:08:01.433
(applause)

1:08:05.729,1:08:09.416
(Michael Novick) Talk about [br]a tough act to follow.

1:08:09.416,1:08:13.106
That's a pretty amazing set of facts,

1:08:13.106,1:08:15.308
but really, the life that this [br]man has lived

1:08:15.308,1:08:17.513
to come to this momement and [br]be here with us,

1:08:17.513,1:08:18.666
I think is incredible.

1:08:18.666,1:08:21.549
And I really want to thank Mike[br]for his tremendous courage

1:08:21.549,1:08:25.418
and his openness to just deal with [br]the truth and the speak the truth

1:08:25.418,1:08:29.050
and the face the consequences of that.

1:08:29.050,1:08:30.517
And I think it's something [br]we all have to do.

1:08:30.517,1:08:32.983
And I am here, basically, tonight,

1:08:32.983,1:08:35.503
to tell you a little bit about the [br]Crack the CIA Coalition,

1:08:35.503,1:08:37.381
and about the demonstration.

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There are flyers here, and we'd like[br]to urge you to take some flyers

1:08:40.977,1:08:43.191
and pass them out in the next day or two [br]to bring people.

1:08:43.191,1:08:47.148
We want this to be as massive [br]and as broad

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and as open and as democratic a[br]demonstration as it's possible to have.

1:08:50.666,1:08:54.390
We have a set of principles of unity,

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and the principles are that [br]we are opposed

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to the crimes that the CIA [br]has committed

1:09:00.172,1:09:01.605
against the people of this country

1:09:01.605,1:09:02.988
and against other people [br]around the world,

1:09:02.988,1:09:05.539
and I think one of the things

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that has become very clear to us[br]in doing this work

1:09:08.377,1:09:12.566
is that it's impossible to protect [br]ourselves, somehow

1:09:12.566,1:09:15.641
by the use of agencies like the CIA.

1:09:15.641,1:09:19.813
Because the crimes that they carry out,[br]supposedly, in our name,

1:09:19.813,1:09:22.032
somehow to protect the [br]American way of life,

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are crimes committed against us [br]every single day.

1:09:25.176,1:09:27.444
And that the crimes they committed[br]in Nicaragua,

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and the crimes they committed [br]in other parts of the world

1:09:30.434,1:09:34.207
inevitably are going to affect us.

1:09:34.207,1:09:37.593
And we see the destruction they've [br]created, the devastation,

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not only in South-Central Los Angeles,

1:09:39.727,1:09:42.283
but in every village and hamlet [br]in this country.

1:09:42.283,1:09:44.370
And crack is not something, [br]now, they thought

1:09:44.370,1:09:48.147
that they could dump in one community [br]and somehow destroy that community

1:09:48.147,1:09:51.111
and not have it spread out [br]throughout the society.

1:09:51.111,1:09:56.758
So we're seeing the tremendous [br]connections between what's going on.

1:09:56.758,1:10:02.575
And people here, I know, have [br]no love for Bill Clinton, I'm sure.

1:10:02.575,1:10:07.578
And I think it's important to understand [br]that the people in this coalition

1:10:07.578,1:10:14.420
are not in any way part of the coalition[br]that Bill Clinton represents.

1:10:14.420,1:10:16.925
The people in this coalition [br]are a coalition

1:10:16.925,1:10:19.437
of forces trying to claim their [br]humanity, defend themselves,

1:10:19.437,1:10:23.931
to recognize the need for solidarity[br]to deal with this.

1:10:23.931,1:10:27.609
And I've been on talk radio, [br]and I used that word once,

1:10:27.609,1:10:32.376
and somebody said, "When I hear that [br]word, solidarity, I wanna lock and load."

1:10:32.376,1:10:33.310
(laughter)

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But I'm telling you that that's [br]what you need.

1:10:36.522,1:10:38.524
That if you want to deal with the CIA,

1:10:38.524,1:10:39.849
if you want to deal with Bill Clinton,

1:10:39.849,1:10:42.405
you have to recognize what they're about.

1:10:42.405,1:10:44.957
And they're about an empire.

1:10:44.957,1:10:46.925
And the problem with Bill Clinton is [br]not whether you think he's a socialist

1:10:46.925,1:10:48.343
or you think he's a moderate,

1:10:48.343,1:10:49.381
or you think he's this or that.

1:10:49.381,1:10:52.244
Bill Clinton is an emperor,

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and that's the problem with Bill Clinton.

1:10:54.229,1:10:57.249
And Bill Clinton wants you [br]to be subjects of his empire.

1:10:57.249,1:11:00.527
And if you want to have any other status [br]than as a subject of that empire,

1:11:00.527,1:11:03.973
then you have to stand with the former[br]Black Panthers in this coalition,

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and you have to stand up on Saturday

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and say that Bill Clinton and the CIA are [br]not committing these crimes your names

1:11:10.786,1:11:12.046
or in our names,

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and if we want to protect ourselves[br]from those criminals,

1:11:15.134,1:11:19.552
we have to take action with all the [br]good people of South Central,

1:11:19.552,1:11:20.950
the good people of East Los Angeles,

1:11:20.950,1:11:24.555
the good people of the San Fernando [br]Valley have to stand up together,

1:11:24.555,1:11:29.401
and say, "We want a different [br]and a better world together."

1:11:29.401,1:11:32.540
So I would like to urge you [br]to come out on Saturday.

1:11:32.540,1:11:35.816
I would also like to urge you, if you[br]have some funds to make available,

1:11:35.816,1:11:39.267
I know that you all have your own needs [br]and demands,

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but as a representative of this coalition,

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I'd like to give you the address[br]for a moment.

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We have a PO Box.

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it's the Crack the CIA Coalition,

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and it's PO Box 191601,

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Los Angeles, California, 90019.

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We've been fronting out money to[br]bring Cele Castillo to Los Angeles,

1:12:00.383,1:12:05.522
to bring Dr. David Sabow from [br]South Dakota to Los Angeles,

1:12:05.522,1:12:07.659
to bring documentation information

1:12:07.659,1:12:09.143
and to put on this demonstration,

1:12:09.143,1:12:11.893
and so we want you definitely [br]to come out and support.

1:12:11.893,1:12:13.776
We want you to be a part [br]of this process.

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We are not stopping with the[br]demonstration tomorrow.

1:12:15.529,1:12:15.924
The demonstration tomorrow [br]is the beginning.

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We are co-sponsoring on March 15th

1:12:19.095,1:12:21.556
-- and everyone here is certainly[br]welcome to come --

1:12:21.556,1:12:24.148
a teach-in on all of this material

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at Fairfax High School in the [br]city of Los Angeles.

1:12:28.127,1:12:33.066
That will be beginning, I believe, [br]at eleven o'clock on March 15th,

1:12:33.066,1:12:34.678
which is a Saturday in [br]about three weeks.

1:12:34.678,1:12:38.041
We're gonna be having [br]Peter Dale Scott,

1:12:38.041,1:12:40.824
the author of the books that [br]Mike Ruppert mentioned,

1:12:40.824,1:12:41.943
the <i>Cocaine Politics</i>.

1:12:41.943,1:12:43.892
We're gonna be having[br]Dr. Alfred McCoy,

1:12:43.892,1:12:46.343
the author of the leading [br]book on this,

1:12:46.343,1:12:47.994
what he referred as "the Bible."

1:12:47.994,1:12:49.496
And all of this effort is the effort

1:12:49.496,1:12:53.705
to expose these truths and these [br]realities to all of you

1:12:53.705,1:12:55.646
and to the rest of us, [br]to educate ourselves,

1:12:55.646,1:12:59.879
to mobilize ourselves and to support [br]each other in this movement.

1:12:59.879,1:13:01.375
And that's what it's going to take.

1:13:01.375,1:13:02.485
It's going to take a movement to resist,

1:13:02.485,1:13:04.993
to counter the lies,

1:13:04.993,1:13:07.215
and to expose ourselves [br]to some truth that...

1:13:07.215,1:13:14.389
people here certainly understand [br]what's disseminated in the media

1:13:14.389,1:13:17.195
bears very little relation to reality.[br]

1:13:17.195,1:13:19.269
but you might want to re-think [br]some of the things

1:13:19.269,1:13:21.214
that you have absorbed from [br]those same media,

1:13:21.214,1:13:27.246
criminalizing and castigating and [br]demonizing people on the left

1:13:27.246,1:13:29.984
who might have something to share [br]and something to offer you.

1:13:29.984,1:13:31.637
Demonizing people who have stood up:

1:13:31.637,1:13:33.725
there's a man named Michael Zinzun,[br]for example,

1:13:33.725,1:13:35.768
who is involved with the gang truce,

1:13:35.768,1:13:37.498
a former Black Panther. Not closely [br]involved in this coalition,

1:13:37.498,1:13:43.059
but he is somebody who... files [br]were taken out of the LAPD

1:13:43.059,1:13:47.069
to prevent him from running for[br]the City Council in Pasadena.

1:13:47.069,1:13:49.998
These crimes go on and on and on,

1:13:49.998,1:13:54.627
and they will not be stopped unless [br]people stand up and say, "No more."

1:13:54.627,1:13:57.407
So we're trying to do that on one [br]particular day,

1:13:57.407,1:13:59.087
but in a very long-term way.

1:13:59.087,1:14:01.635
And we're happy to dialogue[br]about these things.

1:14:01.635,1:14:03.164
And I think you for the time.

1:14:03.164,1:14:05.104
I thank Michael for his tremendous [br]presentation,

1:14:05.104,1:14:10.055
and I think we owe him a [br]tremendous debt of gratitude.

1:14:10.055,1:14:18.338
(applause)

1:14:18.338,1:14:19.617
OK, we're gonna have questions.

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Questions from the back of the room.

1:14:21.392,1:14:22.576
So those of you who have questions

1:14:22.576,1:14:24.560
Mike will be glad to try [br]and answer for you.

1:14:24.560,1:14:26.503
So please feel free to...

1:14:26.503,1:14:28.198
I'm sorry, the leaflet actually [br](xx) asked:

1:14:28.198,1:14:30.482
Twelve Noon at City Hall, [br]Downtown Los Angeles,

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First and Spring Street.

1:14:32.766,1:14:35.051
We'll be marching from there[br]to the <i>LA Times</i>,

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to the Los Angeles Federal Building,

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and then back for a rally at City Hall.

1:14:39.757,1:14:42.500
(inaudible off-mic)

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We have a permit. We obtained a permit.

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We are marching with police [br]at a distance,

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But it's a complely legal march;

1:14:52.030,1:14:54.394
it's a completely non-violent march.

1:14:54.394,1:14:56.841
We're there to express these truths

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and to take a stand on these issues.

1:15:01.406,1:15:02.259
(Woman) Mr. Ruppert?

1:15:02.259,1:15:03.097
Yes.

1:15:03.097,1:15:04.899
(Woman) You mentioned the [br]Secret Government.

1:15:04.899,1:15:09.192
(Woman) Do you see the CIA [br]as the ultimate executive?

1:15:09.192,1:15:16.305
(Woman) Or who is the ultimate executive[br]behind the wrongdoing we see?

1:15:16.305,1:15:20.153
I tend to be, when I answer... well,[br]I'm always asked this question.

1:15:20.153,1:15:22.459
And I tend to.. I try to be [br]fairly conservative,

1:15:22.459,1:15:24.775
because I try to approach this[br]as a detective

1:15:24.775,1:15:27.085
and answer with evidence that I have.

1:15:27.085,1:15:34.448
If you'll recall, I mentioned Paul Jabber, [br]the UCLA Political Science professor?

1:15:34.448,1:15:37.176
Shortly after I met with him,[br]he left UCLA

1:15:37.176,1:15:41.607
to become Vice-President [br]of Banker's Trust

1:15:41.607,1:15:44.336
He took over as Chair of the [br]Middle East Department

1:15:44.336,1:15:46.786
of the Council on Foreign Relations.

1:15:46.786,1:15:51.810
That's where I see a lot of this going.

1:15:51.810,1:15:54.555
The more I try, logically, as a detective,

1:15:54.555,1:16:00.129
using intuitive inductive logic [br]to get to the bottom of this,

1:16:00.129,1:16:02.458
I come to banks. that's where I come.

1:16:02.458,1:16:03.848
I come to banks.

1:16:03.848,1:16:05.808
And of course, most of the banks[br]are foreign-owned.

1:16:05.808,1:16:06.605
Especially...

1:16:06.605,1:16:07.968
(Man off-mic) Follow the money.

1:16:07.968,1:16:09.200
Follow the money. That's the bottom line.

1:16:09.200,1:16:13.856
(Woman) Do you know if Brian Quaig [br](sp) is all right? I assume you know him?

1:16:13.856,1:16:14.794
Who?

1:16:14.794,1:16:18.098
(Woman) Brian Quaig of Phoenix? [br]He's the one with the Internet site

1:16:18.098,1:16:20.992
with all of the material that you have[br]been speaking about this evening?

1:16:20.992,1:16:22.735
Yeah, I'm not familiar with him.

1:16:22.735,1:16:24.044
(Woman) Oh, you don't know him?

1:16:24.044,1:16:24.739
No.

1:16:24.739,1:16:26.940
(Woman) The book, <i>LA's Secret Police</i>,

1:16:26.940,1:16:28.047
Mike Rothmiller

1:16:28.047,1:16:29.404
(Woman) Is that fairly accurate?

1:16:29.404,1:16:30.659
Yes, I know Mike Rothmiller.[br]

1:16:30.659,1:16:35.449
And what's interesting about that is that[br]Mike touched on a couple of things.

1:16:35.449,1:16:39.118
LAPD has been heavily, heavily [br]infiltrated by CIA for a long time.

1:16:39.118,1:16:41.095
Bill Parker, who was a [br]legendary Chief here,

1:16:41.095,1:16:42.853
hated the FBI.

1:16:42.853,1:16:47.624
And he invited CIA lock, stock, and barrel [br]to come in to LAPD.

1:16:47.624,1:16:50.746
And there are documented cases[br]during the Iran-Contra era

1:16:50.746,1:16:53.359
of one detective named Hamilton,

1:16:53.359,1:16:55.395
of Organized Crime Intelligence,[br]coming off an airplane

1:16:55.395,1:17:01.720
with the Mexico City Chief of Police [br]Arturo Durazo

1:17:01.720,1:17:03.997
-- who was under indictment[br]for drug corruption --

1:17:03.997,1:17:06.068
from The Bahamas.

1:17:06.068,1:17:08.955
What's an LAPD detective doing with[br]the Mexico City Chief of Police

1:17:08.955,1:17:10.960
on a flight from The Bahamas?

1:17:10.960,1:17:16.194
Daryl Gates made a statement in 1992

1:17:16.194,1:17:19.483
that the only position he would [br]consider in a second Bush term

1:17:19.483,1:17:22.224
would be Director of Central Intelligence.

1:17:22.224,1:17:26.445
My question for Daryl is: what [br]are your qualifications?

1:17:26.445,1:17:29.795
Mike Rothmiller's book is good.

1:17:29.795,1:17:31.195
He kind of stopped short [br]of some other things,

1:17:31.195,1:17:33.403
but he and I have spoken [br]many, many times.

1:17:33.403,1:17:35.803
So, yes, it's a good book.

1:17:35.803,1:17:44.100
(Man) Yes: I wonder what your opinion is[br]of the...

1:17:44.100,1:17:46.929
(Man) -- I haven't heard you mention this, [br]and I'm wondering why --

1:17:46.929,1:17:49.492
(Man) the... kind of pulls the rug out

1:17:49.492,1:17:53.381
(Man) of all the law enforcement agencies [br]around the country,

1:17:53.381,1:17:57.928
(Man) and has been advocated by the...

1:17:57.928,1:18:09.295
(Man) many judges, and many doctors, [br]and Jocelyn Elder,

1:18:09.295,1:18:16.045
(Man) and... is... the answer is the [br]legalization of drugs.

1:18:16.045,1:18:20.160
(Man) And, when... a lot of people here [br]might not understand:

1:18:20.160,1:18:23.506
(Man) what I mean by this, is that I'm not[br]advocating the <i>use</i> of drugs;

1:18:23.506,1:18:26.951
(Man) but by the legalization of drugs,

1:18:26.951,1:18:30.396
(Man) we're talking about many solutions[br]for many problems,

1:18:30.396,1:18:33.843
(Man) in that many people, billions of dollars

1:18:33.843,1:18:39.603
(Man) that are spent chasing down criminals[br]are freed up,

1:18:39.603,1:18:48.669
(Man) and that many crimes committed [br]by these so-called druggies

1:18:48.669,1:18:51.410
(Man) aren't committed because [br]it's legally gotten.

1:18:51.410,1:18:53.091
(Man) I was just wondering what your opinion...

1:18:53.091,1:18:56.778
(Man) I mean, it's just a simple solution [br]for a whole lot of problems,

1:18:56.778,1:18:58.841
(Man) and I'm hoping everyone here [br]thinks on this for a while,

1:18:58.841,1:19:01.151
(Man) because it is the awesome [br]solution for

1:19:01.151,1:19:03.461
(Man) a whole lot of awesome problems.

1:19:03.461,1:19:05.773
(Michael) I have thought about this a lot,[br]and I will say that as a cop,

1:19:05.773,1:19:13.539
what really makes me feel good [br]is when I hurt the bad guys.

1:19:13.539,1:19:17.156
I'm sorry, that's the way [br]I feel in my gut.

1:19:17.156,1:19:24.118
The way we hurt the bootleggers [br]was to legalize alcohol.

1:19:24.118,1:19:27.212
I do not advocate, necessarily,[br]legalizing drugs, but

1:19:27.212,1:19:33.398
maybe in certain cases decriminalizing[br]drugs might be an answer.

1:19:33.398,1:19:40.108
However, we're dealing with [br]a situation, historically,

1:19:40.108,1:19:46.081
the British in the 1800s established their[br]whole economy on a trilateral trade:

1:19:46.081,1:19:50.710
growing opium in India, selling it [br]to the Chinese, getting silk,

1:19:50.710,1:19:54.556
taking it back to Britain, [br]and making textiles.

1:19:54.556,1:19:58.286
And that set up the cash flow of the [br]British economy. That's the model.

1:19:58.286,1:20:01.369
The different is, now, that we're [br]poisoning ourselves.

1:20:01.369,1:20:03.082
Which is really ugly, OK?

1:20:03.082,1:20:04.764
But there was a report

1:20:04.764,1:20:08.078
-- which I have not seen, but several[br]Congressional staffers who I know...

1:20:08.078,1:20:10.149
and Bob, if he's still here, [br]probably knows it, too --

1:20:10.149,1:20:14.098
prepared by the House Banking [br]Committee chaired by Henry Gonzales,

1:20:14.098,1:20:16.984
which said something like if all [br]the drug money were withdrawn,

1:20:16.984,1:20:21.357
the eight largest banks in the Western[br]Hemisphere would collapse.

1:20:21.357,1:20:22.390
That would create a depression

1:20:22.390,1:20:25.513
the likes of which this country [br]has never seen before.

1:20:25.513,1:20:29.968
So we have to use some thought in, [br]really, how we approach the problem.

1:20:29.968,1:20:31.553
So, anyway...

1:20:31.553,1:20:33.478
(Man) Yes: The problem is not the CIA;

1:20:33.478,1:20:38.085
(Man) The problem is organized crime, [br]the Democrat and Republican Party,

1:20:38.085,1:20:42.310
(Man) and the real problem is that [br]we do not have a policy

1:20:42.310,1:20:44.903
(Man) of putting the cocaine cartel[br]out of business

1:20:44.903,1:20:46.940
(Man) and destroying the cocaine cartel.

1:20:46.940,1:20:49.264
(Man) Instead, you're destroying [br]the American people.

1:20:49.264,1:20:52.272
(Man) My question is, why aren't you [br]putting the blame

1:20:52.272,1:20:54.417
(Man) on the Democrat and Republican [br]Party and organized crime,

1:20:54.417,1:20:56.446
(Man) and why aren't you pointing[br]out that we have no policy

1:20:56.446,1:20:58.456
(Man) to destroy the cocaine cartel?

1:20:58.456,1:21:03.344
(Man) That's what you should be using[br]the opportunity Saturday morning for.

1:21:03.344,1:21:05.139
I just was pointing out about a guy [br]with a phone book

1:21:05.139,1:21:06.702
with Paulie Castellano and all that,

1:21:06.702,1:21:09.621
so I think I was talking about[br]organized crime. Yes?

1:21:09.621,1:21:14.331
(Woman) Yes. Last night on Peter Ford's [br]show, you mentioned

1:21:14.331,1:21:18.520
(Woman) that you'd sent the material to[br]Ross Perot, and he had called you twice,

1:21:18.520,1:21:20.448
(Woman) but I don't know what he said.

1:21:20.448,1:21:22.599
(Woman) Can you elaborate a little more[br]on that conversation?

1:21:22.599,1:21:25.766
Yeah. And, again, from the [br]<i>Los Angeles Times</i>,

1:21:25.766,1:21:33.324
This is what I do when I'm around the press.

1:21:33.324,1:21:35.486
I've been published in the [br]<i>Los Angeles Times</i>.

1:21:35.486,1:21:39.756
I don't say anything unless I have it [br]right in my hand to back it up.

1:21:39.756,1:21:44.806
The <i>Los Angeles Times</i> ran this story [br]in 1987, January, about Ross Perot

1:21:44.806,1:21:47.092
backing Richard Armitage into a corner.

1:21:47.092,1:21:51.523
If anybody knows Richard Armitage, [br]he's 6'4" and benchpresses 430 pounds.

1:21:51.523,1:21:54.413
And this short little floppy-eared Texan[br]with a big nose

1:21:54.413,1:21:58.221
got him in a hallway in the Pentagon [br]and backed him into a corner.

1:21:58.221,1:22:02.499
And the issue was CIA dealing drugs, [br]Armitage's involvement,

1:22:02.499,1:22:05.717
and the POWs connected in Laos [br]who were left behind.

1:22:05.717,1:22:08.696
(Man) Oh, yeah! (brief applause)

1:22:08.696,1:22:12.303
Ross Perot was sent to go see [br]Vice-President George Bush.

1:22:12.303,1:22:17.702
And Bush said, "Go see the FBI," and[br]threw him out of the White House.

1:22:17.702,1:22:22.334
Ross Perot cost Bush the[br]1992 election, OK?

1:22:22.334,1:22:25.170
Now, I wrote to Ross Perot in 1990,

1:22:25.170,1:22:28.517
and I sent him all the stuff and my[br]stories and everything,

1:22:28.517,1:22:30.838
and one day the phone rings, [br]and it goes,

1:22:30.838,1:22:33.042
(Ross Perot Impression): "Mr. Ruppert? [br]This is Ross Perot. How are yeh?"

1:22:33.042,1:22:35.788
And I'm going, "Jesus!" You know?

1:22:35.788,1:22:37.369
And I just came out of my chair that [br]it was him. (laughter)

1:22:37.369,1:22:39.939
And said, "I want you to know that I've [br]read every word that you have sent me,"

1:22:39.939,1:22:43.104
"And no one has pursued this longer [br]or harder than you have."

1:22:43.104,1:22:46.002
"You should give it up." (laughter)

1:22:46.002,1:22:49.604
He said, "I must know 20 or 30 [br]former military officers"

1:22:49.604,1:22:52.657
"and law enforcement officers who[br]discovered the same thing,"

1:22:52.657,1:22:54.781
"and they all had their careers ruined, [br]their lives ruined."

1:22:54.781,1:22:57.637
"They do the same thing to everybody"

1:22:57.637,1:22:59.249
"You'd think they'd try [br]something different."

1:22:59.249,1:23:00.828
I do a pretty good Ross Perot [br]after all this time.

1:23:00.828,1:23:07.145
And he said, "But they don't [br]because it works."

1:23:07.145,1:23:08.864
And then Ross Perot said to me,

1:23:08.864,1:23:11.654
"Mike, even with all of my resources,"

1:23:11.654,1:23:17.375
"I don't know why <i>I</i> pursue it:[br]<i>I</i> can't get anywhere."

1:23:17.375,1:23:22.497
The answer is people in the street.

1:23:22.497,1:23:27.969
The answer is people standing up [br]together expressing their will, OK?

1:23:27.969,1:23:29.453
Now, I'll tell you a little secret:

1:23:29.453,1:23:33.398
I was the press spokesman for [br]the Perot movement in '92

1:23:33.398,1:23:36.094
here in Los Angeles County.

1:23:36.094,1:23:40.543
Now, I've parted ways with Ross just[br]because of the way he pulled out,

1:23:40.543,1:23:42.584
and I'm not gonna go into that now.

1:23:42.584,1:23:46.373
But what I saw in 1992, we had[br]a little headquarters

1:23:46.373,1:23:49.031
on Ventura Boulevard in Sherman Oaks.

1:23:49.031,1:23:55.828
We had a list of 15,000 names of people[br]who wanted to volunteer:

1:23:55.828,1:23:58.644
people who had never voted before [br]in their lives;

1:23:58.644,1:24:02.068
people who had never held any hope [br]that there was any way that their voice

1:24:02.068,1:24:03.662
could be heard in this country.

1:24:03.662,1:24:08.301
And what Ross Perot did was to tap [br]into that wellspring of disconcent

1:24:08.301,1:24:10.995
which is lying just beneath the surface[br]in this country.

1:24:10.995,1:24:14.695
And that's what we're trying to do with [br]this rally and with this demonstration.

1:24:14.695,1:24:15.800
It's there.

1:24:15.800,1:24:17.559
We want to reach that critical mass,

1:24:17.559,1:24:19.888
so that the people who know, or suspect,

1:24:19.888,1:24:22.514
or just feel in their gut that something's[br]wrong will come forward.

1:24:22.514,1:24:26.162
(Man) Mr. Ruppert, I hope that [br]I'm not going over

1:24:26.162,1:24:29.610
(Man) something that you already [br]covered; but I came in late tonight.

1:24:29.610,1:24:35.336
(Man) Daryl Gates made a statement [br]that he was part of the CIA.

1:24:35.336,1:24:42.578
(Man) Did you cover that, or do [br]you know? And if so, what was his job,

1:24:42.578,1:24:44.523
(Man) or what was he doing?

1:24:44.523,1:24:46.726
In 1962, I believe it was,

1:24:46.726,1:24:49.226
Daryl Gates was Captain of LAPD's[br]Intelligence Division,

1:24:49.226,1:24:51.538
and there's a well-respected author [br]named Bill Turner,

1:24:51.538,1:24:54.464
who's a former FBI agent who's [br]written a number of books.

1:24:54.464,1:24:56.681
And he describes this incident where [br]a guy named Dennis Mauer (sp)

1:24:56.681,1:25:02.505
was out with a bunch of right-wing paramiltary guys

1:25:02.505,1:25:05.323
in the desert way north of Lancaster.

1:25:05.323,1:25:06.649
And they were throwing [br]hand grenades around,

1:25:06.649,1:25:08.990
and shooting machine guns, [br]and having fun.

1:25:08.990,1:25:13.503
And up rose Captain Daryl Gates [br]of LAPD's Intelligence Division,

1:25:13.503,1:25:17.446
way out of his jurisdiction, and says, [br]"Knock it off!"

1:25:17.446,1:25:18.811
And they said to Daryl Gates, [br]"Well, it's OK."

1:25:18.811,1:25:21.475
"CIA told us we could be here.[br]They gave us the stuff.'

1:25:21.475,1:25:27.245
And he said, "Screw you!"[br]"I <i>am</i> CIA, and I'm telling you to stop!"

1:25:27.245,1:25:28.818
Well, there was an undercover [br]Long Beach policeman in that group

1:25:28.818,1:25:30.896
who wrote a report which [br]made it into the file.

1:25:30.896,1:25:33.342
So that was the answer to that question,.

1:25:33.342,1:25:36.814
(Man) Mr. Ruppert? [br]

1:25:36.814,1:25:37.965
Yes.

1:25:37.965,1:25:41.341
(Man) I wonder if you could comment[br]on reports that I have heard

1:25:41.341,1:25:44.595
(Man) that a great deal of the money[br]funding, and indeed creating,

1:25:44.595,1:25:46.712
(Man) National Coalition [br]to Ban Handguns,

1:25:46.712,1:25:51.053
(Man) Handgun Control, Incorporated, [br]and various other activist groups

1:25:51.053,1:25:55.582
(Man) and individuals in the[br]gun-grabbing, anti-Constitutional

1:25:55.582,1:26:01.057
(Man) so-called gun control movement,[br]actually has its souce

1:26:01.057,1:26:06.064
(Man) in CIA-affiliated and CIA front[br]organizations,

1:26:06.064,1:26:10.010
(Man) as part of a calculated program[br]to disarm the American people.

1:26:10.010,1:26:13.142
I have not seen any direct [br]evidence of that,

1:26:13.142,1:26:15.888
but I fall back on the old line:

1:26:15.888,1:26:17.922
"If it walks like a duck and it [br]quacks like a duck,"

1:26:17.922,1:26:21.477
"and there's duck feathers everywhere, [br]then we've probably got a duck."

1:26:21.477,1:26:26.454
One of the things I study a lot is [br]something called the Hegelian Dialectic,

1:26:26.454,1:26:29.583
which says you create a problem,

1:26:29.583,1:26:32.672
and then you solve the problem,

1:26:32.672,1:26:34.689
and in solving the problem, [br]you get the end result

1:26:34.689,1:26:37.795
that you were after to begin with.

1:26:37.795,1:26:39.921
(Man) (inaudible)

1:26:39.921,1:26:43.837
Nobody can dispute...

1:26:43.837,1:26:46.814
(Man) (inaudible)

1:26:46.814,1:26:52.555
Nobody can dispute the fact that [br]we have seen utterly repressive laws,

1:26:52.555,1:26:54.790
especially vis-a-vis asset forfeiture,

1:26:54.790,1:26:57.205
being imposed up on us:

1:26:57.205,1:26:59.690
laws which begin to scare me.

1:26:59.690,1:27:02.518
And I have interviewed a guy[br]whose father

1:27:02.518,1:27:05.197
was a high-ranking official[br]in the <i>Abwehr</i>,

1:27:05.197,1:27:10.883
which was Adolph Hitler's intelligence[br]service, who was... his grandfather.

1:27:10.883,1:27:12.296
And he used to tell his grandson

1:27:12.296,1:27:13.709
-- who is now a very good[br]friend of mine --

1:27:13.709,1:27:15.122
(German accent) "We didn't lose [br]the Second World War;"

1:27:15.122,1:27:17.601
"we just changed venues."

1:27:17.601,1:27:21.571
OK? So it's beginning to sound [br]like that here, yes. (applause)

1:27:21.571,1:27:23.654
(Man) Yes, Mr. Ruppert: you mentioned[br]earlier that our economy

1:27:23.654,1:27:25.284
(Man) has become hooked on drugs.

1:27:25.284,1:27:28.642
(Man) I wonder to what degree[br]our major political parties

1:27:28.642,1:27:30.515
(Man) have become hooked as well.

1:27:30.515,1:27:33.410
(Man) How much drug money has flowed

1:27:33.410,1:27:38.648
(Man) into campaign contributions, [br]do you think?

1:27:38.648,1:27:40.653
Again, I don't have any direct [br]information on that;

1:27:40.653,1:27:43.117
and I really only answer stuff [br]that I know directly.

1:27:43.117,1:27:44.479
But there is so much drug money...

1:27:44.479,1:27:46.481
I mean, if you look at what [br]happened in Mena,

1:27:46.481,1:27:48.422
there are two retired [br]Army CID investigators,

1:27:48.422,1:27:53.099
of which Gene Wheaton is very public [br]-- and I known Gene well --

1:27:53.099,1:27:56.270
who estimate the amount of drug [br]money flowing through Mena

1:27:56.270,1:27:57.694
at $40 million a month,

1:27:57.694,1:28:00.906
and through the Arkansas Development [br]Financial Authority

1:28:00.906,1:28:03.934
-- which is what made Bill Clinton [br]a hero in the state of Arkansas.

1:28:03.934,1:28:05.763
So, yeah: it's probably there.

1:28:05.763,1:28:08.522
(Man) Mr. Ruppert, I want to congratulate[br]you on your courage, sir.

1:28:08.522,1:28:12.823
(Man) And I wanted to ask you if you had[br]any assistance from Officer Rothmiller

1:28:12.823,1:28:15.418
(Man) who wrote the book <i>LA Secret[br]Intelligence</i> [sic] <i>Police</i>?

1:28:15.418,1:28:18.392
I just said a few minutes ago: [br]I know Mike.

1:28:18.392,1:28:20.296
We have spoken many times [br]over the years.

1:28:20.296,1:28:21.182
(Man) Yes, sir.

1:28:21.182,1:28:22.899
We share a lot of views; his book's[br]a good book.

1:28:22.899,1:28:26.384
He and I actually worked patrol in [br]Wilshire Division at the same time.

1:28:26.384,1:28:27.461
So, yeah.

1:28:27.461,1:28:33.311
(Man) Hey, there. I don't know if want [br]to rub elbows with Tom Hayden,

1:28:33.311,1:28:37.495
(Man) but I'll take it on your world that[br]it's a good thing, the march.

1:28:37.495,1:28:39.192
(Man) I have one question: [br]do you know what happened

1:28:39.192,1:28:44.017
(Man) to former CIA director Colby? [br]He supposedly died mysteriously?

1:28:44.017,1:28:47.939
Well...

1:28:47.939,1:28:48.753
(Man) (xx)

1:28:48.753,1:28:52.773
My attorney called me up the [br]day they found his body

1:28:52.773,1:28:57.146
and wanted to make sure[br]I had an alibi. (laughter)

1:28:57.146,1:28:59.978
No, I don't know personally. [br]I've just received

1:28:59.978,1:29:02.501
an updated copy of [br]<i>The Franklin Cover-Up</i>,

1:29:02.501,1:29:05.775
which contains some very disturbing [br]questions about Bill Colby's death.

1:29:05.775,1:29:10.318
But I don't have any direct knowledge; [br]but who knows?

1:29:10.318,1:29:11.860
(Man) I have two questions.[br]Your bravery is astounding,

1:29:11.860,1:29:14.232
(Man) the past 20, 25 years [br]of your investigation.

1:29:14.232,1:29:16.180
(Man) Is your life still in danger today,

1:29:16.180,1:29:18.149
(Man) and is there any contracts[br]out on your life?

1:29:18.149,1:29:25.336
(Man) And secondly, what is [br]the whole purpose of the rally,

1:29:25.336,1:29:33.398
(Man) and how are we going to bring[br]all these people to justice in the end?

1:29:33.398,1:29:37.279
OK. First of all, no, I wouldn't know [br]if there was a contract out on me.

1:29:37.279,1:29:40.156
I haven't been shot at for a long time.[br]I'm fairly well-known now,

1:29:40.156,1:29:42.996
and they tend not to kill people [br]who are fairly well-known.

1:29:42.996,1:29:44.692
The problem is you can [br]get so well-known

1:29:44.692,1:29:48.128
it doesn't make any difference, too: with [br]Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy,

1:29:48.128,1:29:49.250
et cetera, et cetera.

1:29:49.250,1:29:52.008
But I'm nowhere near that big yet, [br]so I think I'm safe for a while.

1:29:52.008,1:29:56.640
As for what we're trying to do [br]and how we're trying to do it,

1:29:56.640,1:30:02.296
I am relieved of having to answer that [br]question. Again, what I have come to

1:30:02.296,1:30:05.400
from a spiritual and a constitutional [br]and an American standpoint,

1:30:05.400,1:30:07.325
is that my job is to do the right thing,

1:30:07.325,1:30:10.138
and to leave the results to a [br]power greater than myself.

1:30:10.138,1:30:12.785
(applause)

1:30:12.785,1:30:15.695
The only sin that I'm aware of [br]is not standing up.

1:30:15.695,1:30:20.203
That's the sin that I'm aware of. [br]Yes, sir.

1:30:20.203,1:30:26.477
(Man) I think it rather paradoxical [br]that there's enough evidence

1:30:26.477,1:30:29.954
(Man) against Mr. Clinton and [br]his administration

1:30:29.954,1:30:33.607
(Man) to put most of them in prison. [br]My question is,

1:30:33.607,1:30:41.480
(Man) how intrusive... has drugs become [br]part of the operation in Washington, DC

1:30:41.480,1:30:43.776
(Man) amongst the Congressmen,[br]the Senators?

1:30:43.776,1:30:45.531
(Man) And why is it we don't have [br]one person

1:30:45.531,1:30:48.400
(Man) who will stand up and initiate [br]impeachment proceedings

1:30:48.400,1:30:52.339
(Man) on this scum that we [br]have in the office?

1:30:52.339,1:30:54.760
(Maen) Now, does drugs have [br]an affect here?

1:30:54.760,1:30:57.637
(Man) And why is it we're not [br]getting anything done?

1:30:57.637,1:31:00.865
(Man) All investigation and [br]no prosecution?

1:31:00.865,1:31:05.543
Drugs have an effect everywhere.

1:31:05.543,1:31:09.414
In the Cutolo Watchtower affidavits,

1:31:09.414,1:31:12.020
there's a story of one Congressman [br]named Larkin Smith

1:31:12.020,1:31:17.690
who tried to stand up; who was looking[br]into the Tyree murder case.

1:31:17.690,1:31:22.288
He was flying on an investigation when [br]his plane crashed and he was killed.

1:31:22.288,1:31:25.088
Hale Boggs...

1:31:25.088,1:31:29.051
They kill Congressmen; they can kill [br]Presidents.

1:31:29.051,1:31:32.658
Maxine Waters walks a fine line.

1:31:32.658,1:31:35.559
She is a Democrat, a member of the [br]minority party.

1:31:35.559,1:31:38.076
She doesn't chair any committees.

1:31:38.076,1:31:40.630
She is Chairwoman of the [br]Black Caucus, yes,

1:31:40.630,1:31:45.639
but she alone as a member of Congress [br]doesn't have the power to stand up.

1:31:45.639,1:31:48.264
I'm gonna make it very clear[br]in my speech Saturday

1:31:48.264,1:31:52.343
that where the people lead, [br]Congress will follow.

1:31:52.343,1:31:54.582
We have got the cart before the horse.

1:31:54.582,1:31:56.323
We can't expect anybody to do for us

1:31:56.323,1:32:01.962
what we will not demand that [br]they do by ourselves, OK?

1:32:01.962,1:32:04.898
We have to stand up together. [br]Congress ain't gonna listen until we do.

1:32:04.898,1:32:05.849
Yes, ma'am.

1:32:05.849,1:32:07.860
(Woman) Yes, thank you very much, [br]Mr. Ruppert.

1:32:07.860,1:32:15.218
(Woman) It is very clear to me that you're [br]a very holy man, and you are totally

1:32:15.218,1:32:18.771
(Woman) surrounded and protected [br]by the love of God wherever you go.

1:32:18.771,1:32:20.553
(Woman) And I particularly like the [br]way you said,

1:32:20.553,1:32:23.389
(Woman) "Do you ever get a feeling that [br]God is following you with this stuff?"

1:32:23.389,1:32:26.129
(Woman) I love it. Thank you very much. [br]I do have a question:

1:32:26.129,1:32:34.740
(Woman) It's very clear to me that it's[br]AAA: All About Addiction.

1:32:34.740,1:32:38.011
(Woman) There's no easier way[br]-- is there? -- to control people

1:32:38.011,1:32:43.885
(Woman) than to get them addicted. [br]Now, whether it's called legal drugs,

1:32:43.885,1:32:48.455
(Woman) or illegal drugs, a drug[br]is a drug is a drug.

1:32:48.455,1:32:53.911
(Woman) I would like to know if you [br]know how far and to what involvement

1:32:53.911,1:32:59.392
(Woman) the American Medical [br]Association is involved in this.

1:32:59.392,1:33:00.946
(Woman) Thank you.

1:33:00.946,1:33:06.272
I sometimes feel like I would have to be [br]God to answer some of these questions.

1:33:06.272,1:33:12.589
(laughter)

1:33:12.589,1:33:18.539
Let me put it this way: we have all heard[br]stories about a dysfunctional family,

1:33:18.539,1:33:24.183
where a father is molesting [br]a young daughter.

1:33:24.183,1:33:25.987
And there are other children in the[br]family, and there's a wife.

1:33:25.987,1:33:27.578
And we look at these tragedies,

1:33:27.578,1:33:30.826
and we see how the wife ignores[br]what's going on,

1:33:30.826,1:33:34.551
and the other children ignore[br]what's going on:

1:33:34.551,1:33:37.268
for the sake of maintaining[br]the family image;

1:33:37.268,1:33:38.737
for the sake of looking good;

1:33:38.737,1:33:43.022
out of the fear that if they expose[br]what's going on,

1:33:43.022,1:33:45.068
the father will turn his rage[br]against them.

1:33:45.068,1:33:47.633
And that's a dysfunctional family.

1:33:47.633,1:33:49.764
This country is in that state of denial.

1:33:49.764,1:33:54.581
Every aspect of this country is[br]affected by this crisis.

1:33:54.581,1:33:59.094
Let me define it to you this way[br]-- and I'll be real brief with this --

1:33:59.094,1:34:04.942
Could the President of the United States,[br]the Executive Branch,

1:34:04.942,1:34:08.574
-- which, theoretically, is empowered[br]over the CIA --

1:34:08.574,1:34:14.337
have permitted the Agency to deal drugs[br]to American citizens?

1:34:14.337,1:34:17.269
Or, could it have happened [br]without him knowing about it?

1:34:17.269,1:34:21.418
Either way, you have just defined the[br]greatest crisis -- Constitutional crisis --

1:34:21.418,1:34:23.985
in American history [br]since the Civil War;

1:34:23.985,1:34:27.529
and solving it is going to take[br]that kind of upheaval.

1:34:27.529,1:34:32.443
Leadership in this will have to show[br]that we can do this non-violently,

1:34:32.443,1:34:34.699
in a healthy way, in the American spirit.

1:34:34.699,1:34:38.979
Not in the German spirit, not in the[br]Russian spirit, not in the Chinese spirit;

1:34:38.979,1:34:40.764
but in the American spirit.

1:34:40.764,1:34:42.800
(Woman) Yes, I appreciate that remark.

1:34:42.800,1:34:47.850
(Woman) I would like to have us all [br]remember that what, I believe,

1:34:47.850,1:34:54.411
(Woman) you have described this[br]evening is not a man-made battle,

1:34:54.411,1:34:59.702
(Woman) but we are wrestling against [br]principalities and powers in high places,

1:34:59.702,1:35:03.077
(Woman) and basically that [br]is a spiritual problem.

1:35:03.077,1:35:06.236
(Woman) And we're not going to go out[br]here as a group of people

1:35:06.236,1:35:09.201
(Woman) and conquer this in our own[br]strength.

1:35:09.201,1:35:12.216
(Woman) It'll be like David putting [br]on Saul's armor:

1:35:12.216,1:35:15.321
(Woman) It doesn't fit. [br]It only weighs us down.

1:35:15.321,1:35:18.144
(Woman) But I believe it's in [br]1 Chronicles where it tells us,

1:35:18.144,1:35:24.430
(Woman) "If my people, who are called [br]by my name, will humble themselves"

1:35:24.430,1:35:28.691
(Woman) "and pray, and turn [br]from their wicked ways,"

1:35:28.691,1:35:34.116
(Woman) "then will we hear from [br]Heaven, and I will heal their land"

1:35:34.116,1:35:36.233
(Woman) And that's what we've [br]got to come back to.

1:35:36.233,1:35:38.540
(Woman) We're kidding ourselves [br]here, sitting here thinking...

1:35:38.540,1:35:43.197
(Woman) -- I appreciate the rally, [br]and I support it wholeheartedly --

1:35:43.197,1:35:46.586
(Woman) but as a group, [br]we're kidding ourselves

1:35:46.586,1:35:50.654
(Woman) if we think we're going to go[br]out and do this in our own strength.

1:35:50.654,1:35:54.343
(Woman) Only history will be repeated [br]again and again,

1:35:54.343,1:35:57.217
(Woman) But it's as we turn to [br]the Lord Jesus Christ

1:35:57.217,1:35:58.808
(Woman) and let Him operate[br]through our lives,

1:35:58.808,1:36:03.913
(Woman) and then put our hand [br]to the plow, we will conquer.

1:36:05.177,1:36:07.911
And my fervent hope and response to that:

1:36:07.911,1:36:13.590
"Where two or more are gathered in His[br]name, He is also there." (applause)

1:36:13.590,1:36:15.222
What if 10 or 15 thousand are gathered,

1:36:15.222,1:36:21.750
and many of those gather [br]in His name, too? (applause) Yes.

1:36:21.750,1:36:25.563
(Man) I very much appreciate [br]that comment. I did want to...

1:36:25.563,1:36:31.049
(Man) You mentioned earlier about (xx),[br]which we've all been most familiar with.

1:36:31.049,1:36:37.908
(Man) As far as my understanding goes,[br]ten investigations have begun,

1:36:37.908,1:36:43.221
(Man) and I guess the tenth one[br]is in some way going on now.

1:36:43.221,1:36:51.471
(Man) But what has caused these [br]all to end, and the information

1:36:51.471,1:36:54.786
(Man) -- the myriad of tons of information[br]that have been gathered --

1:36:54.786,1:37:00.202
(Man) to not result in any[br]meaningful action?

1:37:00.202,1:37:06.524
The way this country works is that unless[br]it shows up in <i>The Washington Post</i>,

1:37:06.524,1:37:10.550
<i>The New York Times</i>, <i>The Los Angeles</i>[br]<i>Times</i>, <i>Time,</i> or <i>Newsweek</i>,

1:37:10.550,1:37:13.596
officially, it doesn't exist.

1:37:13.596,1:37:17.643
And there can be investigations [br]until the cows come home.

1:37:17.643,1:37:20.692
And the information is out there. [br]We have it.

1:37:20.692,1:37:24.180
I have, it, everybody else has it. [br]Dozens of other witnesses have it.

1:37:24.180,1:37:26.319
Gene Wheaton has it; [br]Terry Reed has it. (sp)

1:37:26.319,1:37:30.237
I've spoken to Terry several times,[br]OK? The point is that

1:37:30.237,1:37:33.460
we have to make something happen [br]in the collective consciousness

1:37:33.460,1:37:36.118
to get it out to the point where [br]somebody admits it openly.

1:37:36.118,1:37:41.383
(Man) Mike, just one moment on that. [br]You know that we know two boys,

1:37:41.383,1:37:44.614
(Man) we know two young teenage, [br]nnocent boys were killed,

1:37:44.614,1:37:48.040
(Man) and we know a number of other [br]people relating to that same...

1:37:48.040,1:37:50.790
(Man) those deaths, were also killed.

1:37:50.790,1:37:56.099
(Man) And we do know that enough [br]information is extant to make a case.

1:37:56.099,1:37:59.669
(Man) It seems to me that a rifle shot [br]has to be fired

1:37:59.669,1:38:02.954
(Man) in order to break through this wall.

1:38:02.954,1:38:06.992
(Man) instead of these little hammers [br]banging away,

1:38:06.992,1:38:12.871
(Man) some focal point has [br]to be singled out.

1:38:12.871,1:38:18.821
(Man) And just hammer it through[br]till it breaks the dam, because...

1:38:18.821,1:38:20.731
You raise a beautiful point.

1:38:20.731,1:38:22.389
Mike wants to say something in a second,

1:38:22.389,1:38:24.777
but let me talk to that point [br]for a second.

1:38:24.777,1:38:29.710
I have met... all over the years, I have[br]met people who are angry with the IRS,

1:38:29.710,1:38:32.485
and I have met people who[br]are angry over many,

1:38:32.485,1:38:36.645
many different righteous, [br]justified causes,

1:38:36.645,1:38:39.810
but they have been a Tower of Babel

1:38:39.810,1:38:44.122
As I view this from a political [br]standpoint alone,

1:38:44.122,1:38:48.646
I see the single issue of CIA and drugs

1:38:48.646,1:38:53.200
as being the one single issue[br]which can crack the armor.

1:38:53.200,1:38:58.160
And when will the armor crack? The [br]armor will crack when a farmer in Iowa,

1:38:58.160,1:39:02.775
and somebody in Saint Louis, [br]and Wisconsin, and Colorado

1:39:02.775,1:39:07.020
who's Middle America wakes up [br]and catches on to this:

1:39:07.020,1:39:08.846
that's when the armor will crack.

1:39:08.846,1:39:09.869
And as far as I'm concerned

1:39:09.869,1:39:11.564
-- and I have many opinions about [br]many other issues --

1:39:11.564,1:39:14.587
publicly, I speak only about[br]CIA and drugs;

1:39:14.587,1:39:18.200
because that's the one where I [br]think we've got a chance to win.

1:39:18.200,1:39:20.943
Mike wants to say something.

1:39:20.943,1:39:22.935
(Mike) Yeah, I wanted to briefly [br]say exactly that:

1:39:22.935,1:39:26.756
(Mike) The people talking about the [br]Republican and the Democratic parties,

1:39:26.756,1:39:29.769
(Mike) and one of the things they always[br]talk about is wedge issues,

1:39:29.769,1:39:32.075
(Mike) and they always want to try [br]to drive a wedge.

1:39:32.075,1:39:34.202
(Mike) They want to drive a wedge [br]between Blacks and Whites;

1:39:34.202,1:39:36.851
(Mike) They want to drive a wedge [br]between Latinos and Whites,

1:39:36.851,1:39:39.764
(Mike) Between Blacks and Latinos:[br]They're constantly looking for issues

1:39:39.764,1:39:42.170
(Mike) on the theory of divide[br]and conquer.

1:39:42.170,1:39:44.072
(Mike) And when they mean conquer, [br]that's what they want to do.

1:39:44.072,1:39:46.360
(Mike) They're not just talking[br]in figurative terms.

1:39:46.360,1:39:48.310
(Mike) And we're looking [br]for some cement.

1:39:48.310,1:39:52.863
(Mike) We're looing for things that are [br]going to wedge us together, in a way.

1:39:52.863,1:39:55.791
(Mike) And we're looking at this,[br]as we say, "Crack the CIA,"

1:39:55.791,1:39:58.944
(Mike) we want to find something that [br]is going to affect the conscience

1:39:58.944,1:40:03.327
(Mike) and the consciousness of many,[br]many people to see our commonality

1:40:03.327,1:40:04.760
(Mike) and our common struggle.

1:40:04.760,1:40:06.600
(Mike) And I want to respond to what...

1:40:06.600,1:40:09.372
(Man) Why don't you want to destroy[br]the cocaine cartels?

1:40:09.372,1:40:12.182
(Mike) We want to destroy not only [br]the cocaine cartels,

1:40:12.182,1:40:15.072
(Mike) But we're saying this is much[br]bigger than the problem of cocaine.

1:40:15.072,1:40:16.835
(Mike) This is a systematic... [br]in other words:

1:40:16.835,1:40:18.755
(Mike) before there was cocaine, [br]there was heroin.

1:40:18.755,1:40:21.311
(Mike) Before there was heroin, [br]there was opium.

1:40:21.311,1:40:24.369
(Mike) Before there was opium, [br]they were selling liquor to the Indians.

1:40:24.369,1:40:31.125
(Mike) Before... they traded slaves for[br]tobacco and addicted people.

1:40:31.125,1:40:34.632
(Mike) This is going back half [br]a millennium and longer.

1:40:34.632,1:40:37.477
(Mike) I just want to say that one [br]of the things about this coalition

1:40:37.477,1:40:41.354
(Mike) that I think will distinguish it [br]is that we are not actually trying

1:40:41.354,1:40:43.081
(Mike) to get the government to do[br]anything about this,

1:40:43.081,1:40:45.490
(Mike) because we understand [br]that they are problem.

1:40:45.490,1:40:48.205
(Mike) We are trying to affect ourselves.

1:40:48.205,1:40:51.517
(Mike) We're hooked into the [br]recovery movement.

1:40:51.517,1:40:55.501
(Mike) It's not only one person who says[br]"I'm an addict," alcohlic, whatever,

1:40:55.501,1:40:57.937
(Mike) But there are many people [br]in the Black community:

1:40:57.937,1:41:02.704
(Mike) groups called "Mad Dads": [br]many, many people who are saying

1:41:02.704,1:41:05.648
(Mike) we have to take the responsibility[br]to transform ourselves,

1:41:05.648,1:41:08.944
(Mike) and by doing that we will transform[br]this government and society.

1:41:08.944,1:41:11.242
(Mike) We're not expecting them [br]to solve this problem for us.

1:41:11.242,1:41:21.548
(Man) Michael, I'd like to thank you, [br]first, for coming this evening.

1:41:21.548,1:41:24.460
(Man) Standing up, saying what [br]you've said. I respect you.

1:41:24.460,1:41:28.346
(Man) I appreciate your being here[br]this evening and what you've said.

1:41:28.346,1:41:29.370
Thank you.

1:41:29.370,1:41:34.471
(Man) I have a brief observation myself, [br]and I'd like to get your reponse to it.

1:41:34.471,1:41:39.727
(Man) And the observation is that [br]Thomas Jefferson said

1:41:39.727,1:41:44.106
(Man) that we need a revolution [br]every 20 years.

1:41:44.106,1:41:46.988
(Man) The last time the people [br]of this country stood up

1:41:46.988,1:41:49.775
(Man) and told the government,[br]"Enough is enough"

1:41:49.775,1:41:56.375
(Man) was 25 years ago when we [br]told 'em we'd had enough of Vietnam.

1:41:56.375,1:42:02.029
(Man) And I think it's time for the people[br]in this country to stand up and say:

1:42:02.029,1:42:07.045
(Man) "Enough is enough,[br]and we've had it."

1:42:07.045,1:42:09.897
(Man) And if that's a revolution, [br]and we can do it peaceably,

1:42:09.897,1:42:15.268
(Man) In the streets like we did[br]25 years ago, but peaceably,

1:42:15.268,1:42:20.459
(Man) Then I'm 100% behind it, and I[br]think it's an idea whose time has come,

1:42:20.459,1:42:23.476
(Man) and there's nothing that's going [br]to stop it.

1:42:23.476,1:42:27.573
(Man) And I'm very glad that you're doing[br]that you're doing, because we need it.

1:42:27.573,1:42:29.149
(applause)

1:42:29.149,1:42:30.160
Thank you.

1:42:30.160,1:42:31.606
(Man) Your response, anybody else's[br]response.

1:42:31.606,1:42:34.831
All I can say to that is "ditto."

1:42:34.831,1:42:37.714
(Man) Yeah: I just want to make a[br]comment that I think that rally

1:42:37.714,1:42:42.622
(Man) will be real important to this [br]neighborhood in showing,

1:42:42.622,1:42:45.200
(Man) in bringing it out to light to [br]the average public

1:42:45.200,1:42:48.818
(Man) how you aren't just hurting [br]yourself when you use drugs,

1:42:48.818,1:42:50.225
(Man) but you're hurting your country.

1:42:50.225,1:42:55.157
(Man) And it's OK if people want to [br]hurt themselves, but when you realize

1:42:55.157,1:42:57.195
(Man) and when people who are out [br]there using realize

1:42:57.195,1:43:00.948
(Man) that it's actually hurting their[br]country, and their country's behind it,

1:43:00.948,1:43:03.095
(Man) and you're sponsoring something

1:43:03.095,1:43:06.255
(Man) that's gonna break your[br]livelihood apart, and other people's,

1:43:06.255,1:43:10.877
(Man) I think it's gonna bring a lot [br]of light to the neighborhood, so thanks.

1:43:10.877,1:43:13.295
I think you're right.

1:43:13.295,1:43:16.356
(Man) ...last question...

1:43:16.356,1:43:22.829
(Man) Yes. Unless you demand that the [br]government destroy the cocaine cartel

1:43:22.829,1:43:24.884
(Man) and organized crime who have done

1:43:24.884,1:43:26.440
(Man) all this damage to the [br]American people,

1:43:26.440,1:43:28.354
(Man) you're not gonna get the [br]American people behind you.

1:43:28.354,1:43:29.680
(Man) You're not gonna get[br]American justice.

1:43:29.680,1:43:33.286
(Man) My question is, why aren't you... [br]why don't you have a plan

1:43:33.286,1:43:35.356
(Man) to destroy the cocaine cartels,

1:43:35.356,1:43:37.889
(Man) and why don't you want [br]to make the government do that?

1:43:37.889,1:43:39.373
(different man) This <i>is</i> the plan!

1:43:39.373,1:43:41.355
(Man) No, I want him to answer[br]this question.

1:43:41.355,1:43:42.402
We have to fix the government first.

1:43:42.402,1:43:44.134
We can't get a government that [br]doesn't respond to us

1:43:44.134,1:43:46.394
to do anything in our interest until [br]we fix the government.

1:43:46.394,1:43:48.063
(Man) If you're gonna be there [br]tomorrow morning,

1:43:48.063,1:43:51.067
(Man) why don't you make that [br]demand in front of the press,

1:43:51.067,1:43:53.555
(Man) and for the press to print,[br]saying,

1:43:53.555,1:43:56.244
(Man) "Why <i>isn't</i> the government [br]destroying the cocaine cartels?"

1:43:56.244,1:43:58.139
(Another Man) Because they [br]<i>are</i> the cartel!

1:43:58.139,1:43:59.927
(Host) It's nice to have a spirited group, [br]and on behalf of the forum,

1:43:59.927,1:44:03.609
(Host) we want to thank Mike Ruppert [br]or an interesting talk.

1:44:03.609,1:44:07.621
(Host) Please bear with us. Looking [br]forward to having you come back.

1:44:07.621,1:44:10.333
(Host) I do hope you do. Thank you [br]very much, appreciate it.

1:44:10.333,1:44:15.367
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[Subtitled by "Adjuvant" | CC-BY 4.0][br]Rest in peace, Mike.