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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.44,0:00:07.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.29,0:00:09.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE EWING:\NFor those of you who don't know
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.29,0:00:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my name is Eve Louise Ewing.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.01,0:00:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm the person on the stage who is\Nnot George R. R. Martin.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.84,0:00:15.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.42,0:00:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,George R. R. Martin:\NThe winner of the 21st century award.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.02,0:00:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NYes, very recent winner of the 21st
Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.46,0:00:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,century award. Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.15,0:00:26.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.57,0:00:28.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NI think I could be a contender for
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.87,0:00:30.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the 13th century award.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.29,0:00:31.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.35,0:00:33.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NWell this stage, this is a very beautiful
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.76,0:00:37.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,setup, that also gives me a strangely\Nominous feeling that something terrible
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.27,0:00:39.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is about to happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.27,0:00:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.48,0:00:42.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hopefully that's not the case.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:42.38,0:00:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is such a tremendous honor to sit\Ndown with you, I"m really grateful
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.36,0:00:46.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you're here.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.81,0:00:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna ask you a bunch of questions,\Nfor about an hour.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.85,0:00:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They'll mostly be about writing,\Ngenerally.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.08,0:00:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NVery good.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.46,0:00:56.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NThen I'll ask you some fan
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.46,0:00:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,submitted questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.76,0:01:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We won't have an open audience Q&A\Nthis evening but many people were
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.10,0:01:04.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gracious enough to submit their questions\Nthrough the Chicago Humanities Festival.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:04.42,0:01:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEROGE:\NSounds good to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.14,0:01:10.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NOkay great let's get into it.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.82,0:01:14.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'A Song of Ice and Fire' has emerged\Nas the work for which you are
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.39,0:01:18.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most widely known, and you've made\Nan indelible mark on popular culture
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.56,0:01:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you have had a capacious career.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.76,0:01:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Beginning as a professional writer in\N1970,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.64,0:01:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and since then you've produced a wildly\Ndiverse body of work,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.10,0:01:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could take all night listing your
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.78,0:01:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,projects,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.18,0:01:33.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm going to throw a few out there\Nfor folks that are not familiar.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.81,0:01:37.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're early novels 'Dying of the Light',\N'Fever Dream', you wrote for a
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.21,0:01:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1980's reboot of 'The Twilight Zone',
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.50,0:01:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wrote for the TV adaptation of\N'Beauty and the Beast' .
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.70,0:01:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The landmark, somewhat bizarre,\Nsurrealist show 'Max Headroom',
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.07,0:01:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,short story collections like 'Sand Kings',\N'Portraits of His Children', I could go
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.92,0:01:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on and on.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.39,0:01:56.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does it ever bother you that so many\Npeople want to talk to you primarily
Dialogue: 0,0:01:56.19,0:01:59.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about 'A Song of Ice and Fire'?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.12,0:02:03.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NIt's a little surreal sometimes,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.27,0:02:08.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand of course that\N'A Song of Ice and Fire'
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.34,0:02:11.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and 'Game of Thrones' are vastly\Nmore popular than anything else
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.78,0:02:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've ever done.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.79,0:02:19.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it does startle me sometimes that\Nsome people think it's the only thing
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.29,0:02:20.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've ever done.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.65,0:02:28.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I sometimes even read in articles online,\Nhow I began in 1996 with 'Game of Thrones'.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.42,0:02:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I said, my first story appeared in\N1971.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.37,0:02:38.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I had 25 years of publishing\N50 short stories, and novels,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.36,0:02:41.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and short story collections,\Nediting anthologies,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.57,0:02:45.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,winning various Hugo and Nebula awards,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.49,0:02:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and losing a lot more Hugo and Nebula \Nawards.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.36,0:02:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.82,0:02:53.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a lot there, and it's not like\Nit's secret or anything or it was written
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.71,0:02:58.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under a pseudonym, it's all perfectly\Naccessible if you google my name.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.08,0:02:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.88,0:03:03.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,None the less, an amazing number of\Npeople seem ignorant to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.14,0:03:07.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I should mention, on the things you listed\Nthere, that I did do two projects for
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.33,0:03:12.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Max Headroom' but neither one was ever\Nfilmed, sadly.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.78,0:03:17.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wrote the 'Max Headroom' Christmas show,\Nwhich was actually in pre-production
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.67,0:03:19.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the show was cancelled.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.38,0:03:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were not able to film that,\Nwhich broke my heart,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.16,0:03:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it was a really fun episode.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.80,0:03:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We recently did a 'Max Headroom' reunion at\Nmy little theater in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.32,0:03:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We did a staged reading of it,\NMatt Frewer actually came in for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.10,0:03:34.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He performed with some local actors.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:34.94,0:03:40.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was great to finally see that after\Nlike 30 years, it being acted out.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.41,0:03:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if only, by voices.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.68,0:03:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NDid you film it?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.30,0:03:47.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NDid we? I don't know.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.01,0:03:48.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We might have taped it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.94,0:03:50.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NNo one here seems to know either.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.83,0:03:51.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.78,0:03:53.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NWe might have taped it, ya.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.58,0:03:58.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Max was an amazing show,\Nadvanced for its time.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.95,0:04:00.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NOh, absolutely.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.23,0:04:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NThe young people here probably
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.93,0:04:04.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't even know what 'Max Headroom'\Nwas.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.35,0:04:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NOnly old people like me know.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.68,0:04:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NIt was based on a TV movie that had
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.24,0:04:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been done in England.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:11.32,0:04:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It takes place 23 minutes into the future,\Nsomething like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.54,0:04:23.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a show about television,\Nand artificial computer host Max Headroom
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.22,0:04:25.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who was the host of his own show.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.41,0:04:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was actually a personality\Nthat lived in a computer.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.60,0:04:32.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course we didn't actually have\Nany computers capable of doing that,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.31,0:04:38.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the early 90's when the show was on\Nso Max Headroom was acted by
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.41,0:04:41.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Matt Frewer in extensive make up.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.65,0:04:45.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of people thought that he was\Na real computer host.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.05,0:04:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be great to revive it,\Nbut the shows are still a lot of fun.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.25,0:04:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NIt's a classic, I think it's a little bit
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.39,0:04:56.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the uncanny valley of creepiness,\Nthe kind of make up look that is
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.05,0:04:59.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supposed to look like a computer.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.64,0:05:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NYes, yes definitely.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:01.31,0:05:04.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NI'm sure that the success of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.59,0:05:07.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'A Song of Ice and Fire' has probably\Ncontributed, for some people who know
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.63,0:05:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to use the google machine,\Nto access your back list.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.60,0:05:14.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are there particular earlier works of\Nyours that you really want to
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.63,0:05:17.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shout out, that you wish people\Nwould read more?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.13,0:05:22.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NLike anybody else I have favorite stories
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.66,0:05:25.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and less favorite stories.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.05,0:05:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I broke in I wrote mostly\Nshort stories.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.27,0:05:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I published my first story in 1971,\Nin Galaxy magazine, "The Hero".
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.04,0:05:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over the next few years I published\Nthirty, forty, fifty short stories,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.29,0:05:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the science fiction magazines\Nof the day.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.89,0:05:50.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't attempt my first novel\Nuntil 1976, I wrote it and it
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.66,0:05:52.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came out in 1977.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.66,0:05:55.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I had six years of just publishing\Nshort stories.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:55.22,0:05:58.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Probably my best known work before\N'A Song of Ice and Fire' was
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.78,0:06:01.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a short story called 'Sand Kings'.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.06,0:06:04.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It appeared in Omni,\Nit won both the Hugo and the Nebula awards.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.51,0:06:09.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That one is soon to be a\Nmajor motion picture I hope,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.22,0:06:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or possibly a minor motion picture.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.32,0:06:15.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know, but it will be a \Nmotion picture we think, anyways,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.10,0:06:16.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that's cool.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.77,0:06:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have 'Fever Dream', my historical\Nhorror novels
Dialogue: 0,0:06:21.12,0:06:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,set on the Mississippi river in 1857.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.37,0:06:26.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NAnd there are vampires.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.41,0:06:28.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NYa, vampires and steam boats.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.72,0:06:33.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was a novel that I was particularly\Nfond of.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.61,0:06:37.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my 'Wild Card' series, which is\Nactually the series I've been working on
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.59,0:06:39.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,longer than anything else.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.88,0:06:42.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm mostly the editor on that,\Nthough I write for it too.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.45,0:06:46.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a super hero world,\Nnot really super heroes.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.76,0:06:50.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People with super powers,\Nthey don't necessarily become heroes.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.96,0:06:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's unconventional in that it's\Na realistic look at an alternate
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.88,0:06:59.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world in which an alien virus\Ngives some people super powers.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.30,0:07:04.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When pitching 'Wild Cards'\NI have to say why it is not a conventional
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.99,0:07:07.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,super hero template.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.64,0:07:14.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I say what would happen in a real world \Nif all of you who are here tonight,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.79,0:07:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,suddenly had a super power?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.56,0:07:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of you could run really fast,\Nsome of you could throw lighting bolts,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.01,0:07:25.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of you were really strong,\Nsome of you could walk through walls.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.63,0:07:28.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Entirely arbitrarily, 'Wild Cards'.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.88,0:07:32.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How would it change your life,\Nhow would it change the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.23,0:07:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would you do?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.86,0:07:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I ask people that.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.40,0:07:39.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, all the years I've been asking\Npeople that no one has ever answered,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.87,0:07:43.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would buy a spandex costume\Nand fight crime.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.22,0:07:46.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.35,0:07:50.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which means that there is something\Nwrong with the conventional comic book
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.31,0:07:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trouple.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.28,0:07:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Wild Cards' is an examination of that,\Nbut it's also a lot of fun.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.76,0:07:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NSpeaking of comics,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.38,0:08:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've said that as you became a reader\Nin your early life,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.02,0:08:04.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comics were a really important escape\Nfor you, from the stiffling
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.88,0:08:08.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,1950's literary world of Dick and Jane,\Nwho are very boring people.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.45,0:08:13.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've said that Stan Lee was one of your\Ngreatest literary influences.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.07,0:08:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a Marvel Comics writer I'm\Ncontractually obligated to ask
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.05,0:08:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you about that.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.46,0:08:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are there lessons from comics as a\Nmedium that you take into
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.28,0:08:23.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your other writing?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.18,0:08:27.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NYes, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.67,0:08:32.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would be very nice to say that my\Ngreat literary influences were
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.45,0:08:39.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,F. Scott Fitzgerald and Charles Dickens\Nand other respected literary figures,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.27,0:08:41.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Tolkien of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:41.21,0:08:44.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I admire those three writers all \Nenormously, but,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.60,0:08:48.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stan Lee was probably more influential\Nthan any of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.88,0:08:51.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first published words of mine\Never to appear were my letter
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.93,0:08:54.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Fantastic Four #20.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.48,0:08:58.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which was critiquing, if you could call it\Na critique, Fantastic Four #17.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.61,0:09:02.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My critique consisted of saying,\Nmove over Shakespeare,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.67,0:09:05.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stan Lee has arrived.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.00,0:09:06.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter[
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.94,0:09:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've gotta wonder why Stan\Nchose to publish that letter.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.00,0:09:16.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd read comic books since I\Nwas a little kid,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.96,0:09:20.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the funny animal comics,\NDonald Duck, Scrooge McDuck,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.47,0:09:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Archie, all of that stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.44,0:09:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Super heroes, especially the DC \Nsuper heroes,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.26,0:09:31.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Super Man, Bat Man, The Flash, \Nall of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.71,0:09:35.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had read all of those.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.94,0:09:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The minute Marvel came on the scene,\NI think my interest in comics had
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.15,0:09:45.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually been waning, the DC comics\Nof the time were stiffling,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.25,0:09:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were perfectly circular.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.48,0:09:55.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Super Man, he was Clark Kent he worked\Nfor the Daily Planet.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:55.74,0:09:59.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perry White was the editor,\NJimmy Olson was his best friend.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.37,0:10:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lois Lane was his girlfriend.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.06,0:10:05.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Something would happen, aliens would\Ninvade or there would be
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.76,0:10:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a villain or something, and Super Man \Nwould have an adventure.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.82,0:10:11.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would go circular,\Nit would end right where it began.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.78,0:10:15.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything would be back in place,\Nnothing really ever happened in
Dialogue: 0,0:10:15.16,0:10:16.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Super Man comic.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.78,0:10:19.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which I realized after reading about\N100 or so of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.38,0:10:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You could read them in any order,\Nthey had their template and
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.46,0:10:25.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nothing was ever gonna happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.61,0:10:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jimmy Olson might become a giant\Nturtle man in the course of the adventure
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.03,0:10:33.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but by the end of the adventure\Nhe would be back to being Jimmy Olson.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.92,0:10:36.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was no permanent changes.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.47,0:10:41.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then Stan Lee came along with Marvel,\Nand the characters were fighting in the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.19,0:10:44.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fantastic Four, the Thing didn't like\Nbeing the Thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.82,0:10:47.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was constantly fighting with\NJohnny Storm.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.89,0:10:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They didn't have secret identities,\Ntheir identities were out there.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.72,0:10:53.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then Spider-Man came along.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.79,0:10:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Spider-Man, he didn't have his Lois Lane,\Nhe had a series of girlfriends.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.84,0:11:03.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Liz Allen at first, who he had the \Nhots for but she preferred to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.98,0:11:05.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bully Flash Thompson.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.53,0:11:07.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He couldn't get anywhere with her.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.53,0:11:10.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then he took up with an older woman,\NBetty Brandt, who was
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.05,0:11:11.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,J. Jonah's secretary.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.100,0:11:14.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He had that relationship for a while.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.08,0:11:15.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then he took up with Gwen Stacy.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.73,0:11:17.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NThat didn't work out.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.37,0:11:18.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.87,0:11:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NShe died, ya.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.29,0:11:22.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was traumatic, be she actually died!
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.75,0:11:28.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DC never killed Lois Lane,\Nor even Jimmy Olson.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.09,0:11:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although you might have wanted to.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.62,0:11:33.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nothing ever happened in the DC comics.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.14,0:11:35.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot was happening in Marvel.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.02,0:11:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You didn't know who was safe,\Nyou didn't know what would actually happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.04,0:11:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Time actually passed.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.23,0:11:44.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Believe it or not,\Nlooking at the old dotard you see in hat
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.93,0:11:47.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before you,\NI went to high school with Peter Parker.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:47.78,0:11:51.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were both in high school when\NI started reading Spider-Man comics.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.49,0:11:54.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just about the same time we both\Ngraduated high school and
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.98,0:11:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,went to college.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.58,0:12:00.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went to North Western, I'm in a \Ndifferent city, I'm making new friends,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.67,0:12:04.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got a room mate that I didn't\Nknow before, taking new classes.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.70,0:12:06.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's adjusting to a new whole new world.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.92,0:12:09.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Peter Parker went through the same stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.24,0:12:11.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He went to college, he didn't go\Nas far away from home,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.84,0:12:14.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he did have to move out of the\Nhouse with Aunt May.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.31,0:12:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Things happened and that was\Namazing.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.44,0:12:22.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another one of my comic books\Nletters, I published a number of letters
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.26,0:12:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a letter to the Avengers.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.81,0:12:31.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which again, was published,\Nit was about Avengers #9,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.40,0:12:33.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is when they introduced Wonder Man.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.98,0:12:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure any of you remember\Nthat issue, you were probably
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.78,0:12:38.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little too young.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.41,0:12:40.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You probably don't even remember\NWonder Man.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.83,0:12:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wonder Man came in and he joined\Nthe Avengers, he was a brand new hero,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.50,0:12:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he really wasn't a hero, he was a spy\Nwho was set to join the Avengers
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.92,0:12:53.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to destroy them from within.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.45,0:12:57.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was only playing a hero,\Nhe was actually gonna destroy
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.37,0:12:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them from within.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.90,0:13:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then he became friendly with them\Nand he couldn't bring himself
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.72,0:13:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to destroy them from within.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.53,0:13:08.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He betrayed his masters and they killed him,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.14,0:13:11.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he died in the same issue he\Nwas introduced in.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.44,0:13:18.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I loved this of course, so I wrote\Na long letter about how great this was.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.100,0:13:23.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I look back now and my whole career was\Nbased on Avengers #9.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.38,0:13:26.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.13,0:13:29.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Introducing these grey characters who\Nhave divided loyalties who are
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.65,0:13:31.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not what they seem.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.79,0:13:34.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NAnd were a little traumatized.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.70,0:13:37.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\Nand then killing them unexpectedly.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.55,0:13:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now of course it was comics so they\Nbrought Wonder Man back eventually.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.64,0:13:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's the big flaw with comics,\Nand I try never to bring anyone back.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.98,0:13:48.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or if I do, they're really screwed up.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.01,0:13:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NWhat I'm really hearing you
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.14,0:13:54.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk about here is the idea of stakes.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.95,0:13:58.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your readers have to believe that\Nthe stakes are really high,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.86,0:14:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that somebody really might get murdered.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.40,0:14:05.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I read this interview with you where you\Ntalk about reading Lord of the Rings,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.26,0:14:08.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of course people frequently compare\Nyou to Tolkien,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.26,0:14:09.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and feeling betrayed,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.94,0:14:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK if you haven't read Lord of the Rings\Nyou've had many decades so this is your
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.96,0:14:14.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spoiler alert, OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.03,0:14:17.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That after they throw the ring in to the\Nfires of Mordor and it's destroyed
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.95,0:14:21.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they come back to the shire\Nand the shire is getting sacked,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.43,0:14:23.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the scouring of the shire,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.63,0:14:27.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you talk about feeling betrayed,\Nthat the story didn't have a happy ending.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.05,0:14:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now you've gone on where basically\Nall your writing, you've become famous for
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.22,0:14:35.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,writing iterations of \Nthe scouring of the shire.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.20,0:14:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It seems like part of what you're taking\Non is keeping the stakes high.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.96,0:14:42.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NYes, I do believe that.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.97,0:14:48.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I read Lord of the Rings when it \Nwas first published in the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.23,0:14:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Actually, the illegal pirated edition.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.18,0:14:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were amazing books,\NI couldn't get enough of them.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:59.44,0:15:03.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was only like 13 years old,\Nor something like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.55,0:15:10.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the ring went into the volcano,\NI said, well this is the end of the story,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.65,0:15:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why is there so much more?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.25,0:15:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I hit the scouring of the shire\Nand I realized it wasn't the unequivocal
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.92,0:15:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happy ending, yay, the heroes have won,\Nthat I thought it would be.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.30,0:15:24.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really didn't understand it\Nas a 13 year old.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.60,0:15:27.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course, I reread Lord of the Rings\Nevery few years.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.77,0:15:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've come to not only understand it\Nbut I have a deep appreciation of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.76,0:15:34.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Peter Jackson's movies are brilliant\NI think.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.54,0:15:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're as good an adaptation of Lord\Nof the Rings that you could possibly get.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.64,0:15:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I do miss the scouring of the shire,\Nwhich he doesn't include.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.80,0:15:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an important part of the book,\Nit says something important.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.38,0:15:55.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I took that to heart.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.35,0:15:58.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other thing about reading Tolkien,\Nof course is, like Wonder Man,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.93,0:16:00.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it had a similar effect,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.89,0:16:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Fellowship when Gandalf dies,\Nwhat the hell?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.84,0:16:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gandalf died? you can't kill Gandalf.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.11,0:16:13.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's the head guy, he knows everything\Nthat's going on.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.61,0:16:18.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other characters seemed like kids\Ncompared to Gandalf.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.34,0:16:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The four hobbits and the squire guys,\Nand I don't trust Boromir.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.41,0:16:29.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now Tolkien later brought him back.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:29.05,0:16:32.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NHe brought him back as like Gandalf 2.0.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.30,0:16:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NI know, I didn't like Gandalf the White,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.10,0:16:38.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I prefer Gandalf the Grey,\NI've always preferred grey characters to
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.22,0:16:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,white characters.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.50,0:16:43.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If Professor Tolkien was here we\Ncould argue about whether Gandalf
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.95,0:16:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should have come back or not.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.80,0:16:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It had an enormous effect on me,\Nkilling Gandalf.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.52,0:16:54.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Killing Gandalf also sets up, \Nin the second book when he kills Frodo.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.94,0:16:58.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh my god, he killed Frodo,\NFrodo was supposed to be the hero
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.11,0:17:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was the ring bearer,\Nnow Sam is the ring bearer?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.81,0:17:02.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How is this gonna work out?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.58,0:17:07.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of these things had an enormous effect\Non a young me and,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.41,0:17:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they did raise the stakes.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.28,0:17:11.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The minute you kill Gandalf,\Nanybody can die.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.74,0:17:14.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then you're looking at the members of\Nthe fellowship and saying,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.63,0:17:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are you going to kill next?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.16,0:17:19.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We got several extra hobbits, they could go.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.87,0:17:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.52,0:17:23.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NMary and Pippen, they get a little
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.47,0:17:25.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,indistinguishable after a while.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.70,0:17:27.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NHe didn't kill them,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.82,0:17:29.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I was afraid he would, so,\Nthat's the whole point
Dialogue: 0,0:17:29.95,0:17:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To have the reader on the each\Nof their seat.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.41,0:17:37.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To not know what's going to happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.19,0:17:43.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's something I try to do in my books.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:43.78,0:17:47.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially in the scary parts, \Nor the battles,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.98,0:17:53.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you're really going into a battle,\Nyou would be afraid before hand.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.80,0:17:59.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would have this deep visceral fear,\Nare you going to survive the battle?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:59.26,0:18:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody knows.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.68,0:18:06.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want that experience for the reader,\NI want the reader to not just
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.97,0:18:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,read the book but to live the book.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.44,0:18:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To almost be afraid to turn the next page,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.17,0:18:17.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when suddenly the hero is surrounded\Nby six big guys with axes.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.49,0:18:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You shouldn't fee, oh, it's Conan,\Nhe's gonna get out of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.97,0:18:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Six guys with axes, nothing.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.96,0:18:26.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You should be terrified that these six\Nguys with axes are going to
Dialogue: 0,0:18:26.46,0:18:28.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hack you apart.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.04,0:18:31.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guarantee you if you leave this\Nwonderful place tonight and are
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.24,0:18:34.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,confronted with six guys with axes\Nyou'll be scared.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.83,0:18:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll read about you in the Tribune\Ntomorrow.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.84,0:18:42.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How your hacked up body was found.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.30,0:18:44.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.35,0:18:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NAlright, OK.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.73,0:18:50.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, you mention the Wild Card series\Nwhich you have been editing for basically
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.45,0:18:53.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as long as I have been alive.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.85,0:18:57.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a really cool concept,\Nnot only for the reasons you mentioned
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.87,0:19:01.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about really engaging with whatever the \Nreal stakes of super powers are,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.64,0:19:04.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also because it's a shared universe,\Nand you've collaborated on these
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.69,0:19:08.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,edited stories written by over 50 authors,\Nworking collaboratively.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.52,0:19:11.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've also edited multiple anthologies.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.69,0:19:14.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My personal opinion which you may\Nagree or disagree with,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.69,0:19:19.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that a good editor is actually\Na much rarer thing than a good writer.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.71,0:19:23.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was wondering if you could talk a little\Nbit about your identity as an editor,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.66,0:19:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how it may differ from your identity\Nas a writer.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.76,0:19:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NI don't know if ts a rarer thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:29.63,0:19:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in the anthologies that I have done,\Nanthologies like Dangerous Women,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.69,0:19:40.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Warriors, Rouges, I had the great pleasure\Nof working with Gardener,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.35,0:19:46.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who unfortunately passed away last year.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.52,0:19:51.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gardener was one of the greatest editors\Nin the entire history of science fiction.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.62,0:19:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He won the Hugo award for best editor\Nsixteen times.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.56,0:19:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is pretty amazing.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.06,0:20:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Working with him was on those books \Nwas increidble.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.60,0:20:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have edited other things, Wild Cards is\Na unique challenge because it is
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.58,0:20:09.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a shared world.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.10,0:20:13.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When you're editing an ordinary anthology,\Nnot that any anthology is ordinary,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.73,0:20:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you're editing a more conventional\Nanthology you're just buying good stories
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.40,0:20:22.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they may have a theme,\Nthe theme is unicorns,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.90,0:20:28.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so you invite people to send you\Nunicorn stories.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.11,0:20:30.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But all you're looking at is if its\Na good story, is it a bad story,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.82,0:20:34.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can it be improved, if it has flaws,\Nhow do you fix it?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.91,0:20:41.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With a shared world you still have that,\Nbut also your stories have to fit together.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.03,0:20:43.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are all essentially parts of a whole.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:43.58,0:20:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can't have contradictions,\Nthey can't have duplications.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.88,0:20:51.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a lot more rewriting is required,\Na lot more working together and
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.55,0:20:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot more editing.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:53.40,0:20:59.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Wild Cards are a very challenging\Nseries to edit, but I enjoyed doing that.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.41,0:21:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I actually sort of got into editing almost\Nby accident.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.72,0:21:08.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My first published book was actually\Na book I edited not a book I wrote.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.65,0:21:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At beginning of my career in 1973,\NI was nominated for the John W. Campbell
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.56,0:21:20.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,award for the best new writer in \NScience Fiction.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.01,0:21:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was a brand new award given\Nfor the first time in 1973.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.34,0:21:26.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Campbell had just died in 1971.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.51,0:21:29.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lost that award, it was the first of\Nmany awards that I've lost over the years
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.21,0:21:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the field.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.78,0:21:35.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was nominated, and it is a great honor\Nto be nominated, the nominators
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.10,0:21:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,picked me as one of the six best new \Nwriters that entered Science Fiction
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.15,0:21:42.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the last two years.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.23,0:21:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the time there was an anthology\Ncalled the Hugo Winners,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.70,0:21:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there was an anthology called\Nthe Nebula Award's Book,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:51.18,0:21:53.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I wasn't nominated for them yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.49,0:21:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was no anthology for the \NCampbell award nominees.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.92,0:22:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought there should be because it would\Na guaranteed sale for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.38,0:22:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After I lost that very same convention,\NI went to some of the editors and said,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.61,0:22:10.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why don't you have a Campbell award\Nanthology just like you have the
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.100,0:22:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hugo and Nebula anthologies?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.08,0:22:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought somebody famous would do it\Nand I could sell them a story,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:17.98,0:22:20.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would be a guaranteed sale for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.23,0:22:22.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead they said, oh good idea you do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:22.85,0:22:26.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So suddenly I found myself editing a book,\NI didn't know anything about editing books
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.58,0:22:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I learned on the fly, and I did six\Nvolumes of the series that would be
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.10,0:22:36.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called the New Voices, ultimately.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.65,0:22:42.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was my introduction to editing,\Nentirely by circumstance.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.87,0:22:46.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Watch out if you suggest anything to\Nsomeone they might say, hey you do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.37,0:22:54.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Suddenly you'll find yourself working with\Nsome people.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.98,0:22:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NSpeaking of editing, we live in a world
Dialogue: 0,0:22:57.90,0:23:00.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that sort of fetishizes brevity, \Nand short things,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.35,0:23:03.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what do you see as the virtue of \Ncontinuing to write very long works
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.76,0:23:09.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that world, and how do you negotiate\Nthat editorially?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:09.20,0:23:16.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NI do not share fetishation of brevity.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.90,0:23:20.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am in the anti brevity camp.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.10,0:23:22.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.36,0:23:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My stories throughout my career have \Nbeen getting longer and longer,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.46,0:23:30.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I said when I began in the 70's\NI wrote mostly short stories.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.26,0:23:33.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At a certain point my short stories\Nwere getting longer, they were
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.66,0:23:35.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now novelettes.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:35.46,0:23:38.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I won my first Hugo it was for \Na novella.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.59,0:23:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So each of these is a longer category,\Nthan the other,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.41,0:23:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then eventually six seven years into my\Ncareer I started writing novels.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.23,0:23:52.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were relatively short novels,\Nat some point for sanity I found myself
Dialogue: 0,0:23:52.06,0:23:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,writing Game of Thrones and it just\Nkept getting longer and longer and longer
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.78,0:24:06.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like it I think the length gives it a\Nrichness, gives it a texture.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.17,0:24:13.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can create world building,\Nyou can create an immersive world,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.46,0:24:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and immersive universe,\Nthe readers will lose themselves in.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.98,0:24:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the length of the novel and perhaps\Nfor many novels beyond that, many works.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.40,0:24:26.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.58,0:24:33.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yesterday when we attended the\Naward ceremony, they were flashing
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.57,0:24:40.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quotations about writing on the walls\Nof the site where the awards were being
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.02,0:24:43.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presented.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.07,0:24:46.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of them was a quote that I wrote\Nfor a book called On Fantasy,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:46.79,0:24:51.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was about when I die they can keep\Ntheir heaven I'd rather go to Middle Earth.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.54,0:24:55.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tolkien was the first really great world\Nbuilder.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.29,0:25:02.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He created Middle Earth in such detail,\Nthat it seems like a real place to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.06,0:25:06.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know Middle Earth much more than I know\Nmany real places.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:06.98,0:25:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do I know about Uruguay?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.36,0:25:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know a lot more about middle earth than\NI do about Uruguay.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:12.61,0:25:18.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can describe it's scenic wonders and the\Ncustoms of its people.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.57,0:25:21.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The roads that go from there to there.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.48,0:25:25.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Kings who ruled in past ages.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.53,0:25:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NAnd the languages and the geography
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.25,0:25:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NIt's an amazing place, I've tried to do
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.59,0:25:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same with Westeros.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:33.75,0:25:37.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's one of the things that I think\Nis important about writing Fantasy,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.57,0:25:39.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Epic Fantasy.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.32,0:25:42.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are many different types of\Nfantasy of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.29,0:25:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If any of you are aspiring writers,\Nor ever took fiction courses
Dialogue: 0,0:25:48.14,0:25:51.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or studied fiction in high school\Nor college or something like that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.76,0:25:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they used to at least in my day,\Ntalk about the elements of fiction.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:55.28,0:25:59.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Plot, theme, character, etc. etc.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.51,0:26:03.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of the elements of fiction was setting.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.73,0:26:07.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In most mainstream fiction, \Ncontemporary fiction,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.90,0:26:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,setting gets short shrift.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.12,0:26:14.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK, it's in Chicago, OK it's in\NNew York City,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:14.87,0:26:19.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even, it's in Victorian England, \Nwe know all about that,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.26,0:26:24.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the greatest fantasy to my mind\Nis distinguished by its settings.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.66,0:26:28.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The setting almost becomes a character,\NMiddle Earth becomes a real place,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.61,0:26:33.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it becomes a character,\Nthe Shire, Rivendale, Ministereth,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.89,0:26:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mordor, each of these is very\Nvivid and real, and I've tried
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.61,0:26:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do the same with my own Westeros.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.58,0:26:45.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Create a setting that was almost a\Ncharacter in it's own right.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.100,0:26:48.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NDid you notice that one of those
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.45,0:26:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quotations on the wall was said by\Nyou, but was attributed to me?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:52.00,0:26:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NI did notice that.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.84,0:26:55.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.17,0:26:56.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey!
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.69,0:26:58.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NI thought that was very strange.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.97,0:27:01.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NWhat a coincidence, Eve said exactly
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.17,0:27:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.34,0:27:04.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NI did not say that.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.26,0:27:06.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I complained to someone but no \Nchange was made,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.82,0:27:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I want you to know that I'm glad\Nyou noticed that, I thought
Dialogue: 0,0:27:08.72,0:27:16.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was very bizarre.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.74,0:27:20.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NThere was also a typo in one of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.48,0:27:22.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my other ones.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.03,0:27:25.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was one where I said that because\NI'm a reader I have lived a thousand lives,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.91,0:27:27.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,loved a thousand loves.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:27.58,0:27:29.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They changes the loves to lives.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.73,0:27:32.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it was I've lived a thousand lives\Nand loved a thousand lives.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.45,0:27:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is sort of repetitious.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:35.12,0:27:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NWe had a lovely time
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.92,0:27:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're very grateful,\Nit was a wonderful event.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.28,0:27:42.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NThe awards were handsome, and we got to
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.64,0:27:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meet the mayor and there were 82\Nauthors on stage.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:47.64,0:27:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amazing authors I wish all their books\Nhad been on sale.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.14,0:27:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would have gone home with a big stack\Nof them.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:55.59,0:27:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NSo yesterday you were interviewed
Dialogue: 0,0:27:58.44,0:28:00.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by Scott Simon from NPR.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.23,0:28:04.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought you were very game in talking\Nabout what its like to have so many people
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.71,0:28:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,waiting for your books.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.61,0:28:10.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have an ongoing fascination with the\Nrhetoric people use,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.58,0:28:13.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because sometimes it seems to veer\Nout of the realm of fandom
Dialogue: 0,0:28:13.37,0:28:15.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and into the realm of entitlement.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.95,0:28:20.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a way that seems to forget that you\Nare a human person who is trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.83,0:28:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make art which is a very difficult \Nand unpleasant thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.64,0:28:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are your thoughts on that,\Ndo you think that people fundamentally
Dialogue: 0,0:28:26.89,0:28:30.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,misunderstand something about what\Nwriting is or about what this whole
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.25,0:28:32.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,business is?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:32.97,0:28:36.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NWell, yes, I think that some of them do.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.06,0:28:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Certainly.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:37.56,0:28:46.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of them don't seem to understand\Nthat writers are different from eachother.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:46.51,0:28:50.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They will point out to me some other\Nwriter and say, in the time you've been
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.66,0:28:54.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working on Winds of Winter he's published\Nseven novels.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.11,0:28:56.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Indeed there are writers who do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:56.23,0:28:59.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are writers you can practically\Nset your watch by.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:59.21,0:29:01.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They publish a novel a year,\Nboom, boom, boom.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:01.71,0:29:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's great, I wish I could do that,\Nbut I can't, I never could.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.08,0:29:09.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are a couple of novels I wrote\Nthroughout my career that took me
Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.13,0:29:14.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a year to write but they were like\Na fifth the size of the novels
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.10,0:29:15.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm writing now.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.93,0:29:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's not going to happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.76,0:29:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't help but think,\NI don't want all the wonderful young
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.86,0:29:31.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people I see in the audience to start\Ntaking aim at me and throw things here
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.11,0:29:34.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NWell we have all these apples.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.24,0:29:35.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter[
Dialogue: 0,0:29:35.98,0:29:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NI do think there is an aspect of
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.16,0:29:42.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generational change about this,\NI think the older readers
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.13,0:29:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,baby boomers like me, or maybe even\Ngeneration X'ers are used to
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.50,0:29:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,waiting for things.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:48.30,0:29:52.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The internet has created a generation\Nthat is used to instant gratification.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.75,0:29:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead of answers, they want what they\Nwant and they want it now.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.00,0:30:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think the internet kind of\Ncreates that mindset.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.88,0:30:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The old days when I needed to learn\Nsomething I would have to go to the
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.06,0:30:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,library and find a book on it,\Nfind another book on it just to
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.14,0:30:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,double check that it was right.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.52,0:30:18.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now if I want to know anything I wip\Nup google and boom,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.78,0:30:22.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's the answer in two minutes,\N20 seconds actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:22.11,0:30:25.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Depending how fast your internet speed is.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.53,0:30:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It creates a different set of expectations
Dialogue: 0,0:30:30.72,0:30:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are many things the internet does,\Nbut it hasn't helped me write faster.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:40.47,0:30:45.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.89,0:30:53.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I try to keep it into proportion,\Nit is sometimes annoying to me that
Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.82,0:30:57.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is so many voices that just want\NWinds of Winter, and choose to remind
Dialogue: 0,0:30:57.41,0:31:00.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me every opportunity.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.63,0:31:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know perfectly well that if any of you\Ngo home tonight and go on Twitter
Dialogue: 0,0:31:04.53,0:31:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I was just at the Chicago Symphony\NListening to George R. R. Martin"
Dialogue: 0,0:31:07.96,0:31:11.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within the first three responses to your\Ntweet someone will say well,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.11,0:31:13.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"where's Winds of Winter?".
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.55,0:31:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why isn't he writing it?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:15.46,0:31:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean go home try it, see if it doesn't\Nwork that way.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.50,0:31:28.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the other hand,\NI think for the vast majority of writers
Dialogue: 0,0:31:28.44,0:31:33.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including some really good writers,\Nlike I said we had 80 writers on the
Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.36,0:31:37.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stage yesterday at the Carl Sandberg awards
Dialogue: 0,0:31:37.49,0:31:40.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many distinguished writers who \Nhave written novels and
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.19,0:31:43.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,works of non-fiction, terrific stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:43.63,0:31:48.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You probably would never have heard of\Nmany of them,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:48.25,0:31:52.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their books probably sell relatively\Nfew copies.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.28,0:31:56.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the vast majority of writers including\Nme, for much of my career,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:56.33,0:32:02.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the big question is obscurity,\Nhow do you get yourself noticed amongst
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.14,0:32:05.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the books out there.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:05.97,0:32:09.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I try not to be ungrateful about the fact \Nthat I have millions of people
Dialogue: 0,0:32:09.35,0:32:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,eagerly awaiting my next book.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:12.05,0:32:15.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It certainly beats having no one give\Na damn about when my next book
Dialogue: 0,0:32:15.91,0:32:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is coming out.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:18.14,0:32:23.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is the fate of most writers,\Nthat's what they struggle with.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:23.16,0:32:26.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to keep all of these things\Ninto proportion.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.33,0:32:35.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With Game of Thrones achieving best\Nseller status, the books actually not
Dialogue: 0,0:32:35.16,0:32:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Games of Thrones, Game of Thrones was\Nnot a best seller when it first came out.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:38.96,0:32:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NWas it 'Song of Swords'?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:40.88,0:32:43.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NIt was the second book 'Clash of Kings'
Dialogue: 0,0:32:43.25,0:32:46.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hit the New York Times list for \None week at 13 then it vanished.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.35,0:32:49.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The third book 'Storm of Swords' debuted\Na little higher and lasted
Dialogue: 0,0:32:49.94,0:32:53.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little longer, it wasn't until the\Nfourth book 'Feast for Crows' that
Dialogue: 0,0:32:53.85,0:32:56.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hit number one on the Times list.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:56.69,0:33:03.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then the show hit, and the books were\Nalready number one New York Times
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.62,0:33:08.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,best sellers but the show made\Neveryone crazy about them.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:08.04,0:33:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It also made me famous to a degree\Nthat I had never anticipated in my life
Dialogue: 0,0:33:12.80,0:33:14.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being famous.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.21,0:33:17.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This happened to me when I was in my 60's.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:17.05,0:33:22.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's changed my life in ways that I don't\Nnecessarily love, but there
Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.93,0:33:25.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are things about it that are great.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.68,0:33:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Probably more good things than bad things.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:28.25,0:33:30.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It certainly was a change.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:30.13,0:33:32.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm glad it happened to me,\Nstrange as it seems,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.82,0:33:35.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was in my 60's.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:35.00,0:33:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's given me an understanding of why\Npeople like Lindsay Lohan and
Dialogue: 0,0:33:38.57,0:33:40.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Justin Bieber go crazy.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:40.77,0:33:42.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.82,0:33:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To be a sixteen year old kid and suddenly\Nhave that level of fame and attention
Dialogue: 0,0:33:49.24,0:33:54.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and loss of privacy and thousands of\Npeople commenting on every shirt that
Dialogue: 0,0:33:54.69,0:34:00.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you wear or every word that you say,\NI don't know how any sixteen year old
Dialogue: 0,0:34:00.26,0:34:04.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could possibly handle that.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.75,0:34:11.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I at least have had many long years\Nof life on earth before I
Dialogue: 0,0:34:11.80,0:34:15.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,descended into the strange world of\Ncelebrity.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:15.85,0:34:17.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NAnd a lot of opportunity to make your
Dialogue: 0,0:34:17.65,0:34:22.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make your work on your own terms and not\Nkind of be accessing your success.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.19,0:34:27.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is a cultural critique \NDoreen St. Felix
Dialogue: 0,0:34:27.10,0:34:30.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who referred to Gwendolyn Brooks work,\Nyou may remember from your time in Chicago
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.74,0:34:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as being a citizen poet.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:33.71,0:34:37.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that in Santa Fe where you have\Nlived for many many years, you could
Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.13,0:34:42.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be seen as a really active citizen author,\Nyou own the Jean Cocteau Cinema,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.43,0:34:46.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which you bought and had restored as an\Neclectic movie house after it had
Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.30,0:34:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been shut down.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:48.16,0:34:51.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You've been a huge supporter of the\NWild Spirits wolf sanctuary.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:51.20,0:34:55.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course you are a co-conspirator\Nin MeowWolf and their many installations
Dialogue: 0,0:34:55.97,0:34:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and incredible works.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.82,0:35:02.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you see this kind of community work as\Npart of who you are as a writer
Dialogue: 0,0:35:02.22,0:35:05.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or is it that you're a writer and you do \Nthis other stuff?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:05.14,0:35:07.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you see part of your job as\Nbuilding community in this way?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.70,0:35:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NI think i'll go with I'm a writer
Dialogue: 0,0:35:10.70,0:35:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I do all this other stuff.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.04,0:35:21.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do believe in the concept of giving \Nback, I've been very fortunate.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.99,0:35:27.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are a lot of things that go into\Nbeing successful in any chosen career.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:27.10,0:35:30.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that's certainly true of a writer,\Nyou have to have talent,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.13,0:35:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have to persist,\Nand you have to have luck.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:33.18,0:35:36.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are some great great books\Nout there and great writers who
Dialogue: 0,0:35:36.68,0:35:40.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have never achieved a large audience\Nwho have never made that much money,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:40.68,0:35:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have faced a lot of struggles.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:43.87,0:35:49.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been very lucky and I'm cognizant \Nof that.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.05,0:35:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not to say I haven't worked hard, I have.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.46,0:35:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Luck is part of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:54.46,0:35:58.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Robert A. Heinlen, the first Science Fiction\Nbook that I ever read was
Dialogue: 0,0:35:58.17,0:36:00.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Have Space Suit--Will Travel'\Nby Robert A. Heinlen,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:00.62,0:36:03.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he was my favorite author\Nfor many years.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:03.09,0:36:06.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was probably the greatest\NScience Fiction author of his day.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.70,0:36:09.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They called him the dean of\NScience Fiction at one point.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.68,0:36:15.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Heinlen famously said "you can never\Npay back the people who helped you
Dialogue: 0,0:36:15.71,0:36:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when you were starting out,\Nso you have to pay forward."
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.20,0:36:26.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've always taken that principal to mind,\NI've tried to pay forward both inside
Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.68,0:36:28.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and outside of the genre.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:28.55,0:36:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Doing things like supporting Wild Spirit,\Nreviving the Jean Cocteau, and within
Dialogue: 0,0:36:34.77,0:36:41.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the field trying to blurp good books\Nby young writers who are just starting out
Dialogue: 0,0:36:41.29,0:36:44.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get their books a little attention.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:44.76,0:36:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Helping writers workshops like Clarien and\NClarien West and Odyssey.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:49.54,0:36:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sponsoring scholarships and all that,\Nthat's a method of giving back and I think
Dialogue: 0,0:36:56.56,0:37:01.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is an obligation on people\Nto do that, to engage in their communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.06,0:37:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have two communities that I live in,\NSanta Fe, New Mexico community,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.40,0:37:10.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where I make my home and also\Nthe world Science Fiction and Fantasy
Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.83,0:37:15.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I have been apart of since 1971\Nwhen I attended my fist convention.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:15.90,0:37:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I still go to world World Con every year\Nand attend the Hugo Awards, those are
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.50,0:37:26.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my people and it almost feels like family \Nto me so I try to give in both of those
Dialogue: 0,0:37:26.79,0:37:28.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:28.58,0:37:31.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NYou travel exstensively,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:31.81,0:37:34.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you just came back from Ireland,\Nyou're not going home for
Dialogue: 0,0:37:34.23,0:37:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a couple more weeks after being here,\Nbut you also have said you really struggle
Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.91,0:37:42.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to write on planes, hotels, basically\Nanywhere that is not your home office.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:42.40,0:37:47.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That you need several uninterrupted days\Nto get into your groove.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:47.53,0:37:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you balance the part of being a\Nwriter that is the writing,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.47,0:37:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the part that is the profession,\Ncoming to events like this,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:55.78,0:37:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowing that it's gonna drain some\Nof the actual production.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:59.04,0:38:01.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NWell, that's a good question.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:01.85,0:38:04.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do I balance them?\NBadly I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:04.34,0:38:15.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My relationship with travel is an\Ninteresting one, that I should probably
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.93,0:38:19.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk about with a therapist rather\Nthan you people.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:19.34,0:38:21.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NNo on'es listening we are just here
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.73,0:38:23.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with our freinds.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.43,0:38:26.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NI was born and raised in Bayonne, New Jersey.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:26.45,0:38:30.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is a blue collar industrial city\Nright across the bay from New York City.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:30.62,0:38:36.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My father was a long shore man,\Nalthough he went through long periods
Dialogue: 0,0:38:36.62,0:38:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where he was unemployed.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:39.24,0:38:42.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My mother was a house wife when\NI was young and later got a factory job
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.99,0:38:45.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when factories were in Bayonne.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:45.57,0:38:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We never had much money, we lived\Nin a federal housing project.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:48.46,0:38:53.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We did not own a car, we never went\Nanywhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.41,0:38:57.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lived on 1st street, my school was on\N5th street, five blocks that was my world.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.64,0:39:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bayonne was a peninsula and living on 1st\Nstreet was the Kilvon Cull
Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.48,0:39:09.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is a deep water channel that\Nconnected Newark bay and New York bay.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:09.62,0:39:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would see these great ships, oil tankers\Nand freighters, things like that going by
Dialogue: 0,0:39:14.12,0:39:17.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,day and night with all the flags of\Nthe world on them.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.27,0:39:21.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sweden, Liberia, China, so forth.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:21.25,0:39:25.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had an encyclopedia where I could\Nlook up every flag I saw.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:25.07,0:39:31.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was this urge in me to get away\Nfrom the five blocks where my life was lived.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.82,0:39:35.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Occasionally we would go to New York City\Nto eat.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:35.81,0:39:43.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We never really traveled even like some\Nof the other people in the neighborhood did.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.89,0:39:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They would go to the Jersey Shore during\Nsummer.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:46.73,0:39:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They would rent a cabin in the mountains,\Nwe never did any of that we just stayed
Dialogue: 0,0:39:49.78,0:39:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,home and worked.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:51.56,0:39:54.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Travel has always been enticing to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:54.11,0:39:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I became more and more successful.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:59.20,0:40:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all I went to North Western,\Nthat was the first time
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.33,0:40:04.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I ever left New Jersey.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:04.87,0:40:09.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Midwest and Chicago and Evanston \Nthat was a whole new world to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.45,0:40:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Later when I became successful I started\Ngoing to Science Fiction magazines,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:13.92,0:40:18.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in far flung places like Boston\Nand Washington DC and all that.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:18.89,0:40:23.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every city was an adventure for me,\Neventually in 1981 I traveled to England.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.68,0:40:27.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I left the country for the first time.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:27.29,0:40:37.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I became more successful, \Nfirst within Science Fiction and later
Dialogue: 0,0:40:37.35,0:40:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the larger world when the books\Nbecame best sellers and a hit
Dialogue: 0,0:40:41.50,0:40:45.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started getting more and more\Ninvitations to travel to places,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.37,0:40:47.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all expenses paid invitations.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:47.54,0:40:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, they want to fly me to Vancouver,\Nthat's cool, I'll say yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:52.12,0:40:57.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh look here's one where I can go to\NScotland, I can go to France,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:57.72,0:40:59.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can go to Italy.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.95,0:41:02.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Honestly, I said yes too much.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:02.21,0:41:07.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had a great time it was wonderful,\Nit enriched my life I learned a lot,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:07.88,0:41:11.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I made friends from all over the world,\Nbut I said yes too much.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:11.69,0:41:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I have a staff that I've instructed\Nto try to say no as much as possible,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:16.32,0:41:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have one of my assistants I call the \NVice President in charge of saying no.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:20.12,0:41:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:41:22.15,0:41:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes I over rule her, I have my\Npublicist here sitting in the second row
Dialogue: 0,0:41:29.92,0:41:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying hide who tells me to say no \Nto everything because I should be staying
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.80,0:41:36.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,home and writing.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:36.64,0:41:40.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I listened to him I wouldn't be here.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.09,0:41:42.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[luaghter]
Dialogue: 0,0:41:42.59,0:41:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't help it, I wanted to be here,\NI wanted to come back to Chicago,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:49.31,0:41:52.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to, you know the\NCarl Sandberg award was an amazing honor.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:52.81,0:41:54.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to be with you guys tonight.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:54.90,0:42:00.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's true I've got to, and I'm really\Ntrying, I'm saying no more and more,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:00.76,0:42:04.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've said no to three things this week.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:04.26,0:42:06.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The invitations just keep pouring in.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.62,0:42:12.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Travel doesn't have quite the allure \Nit previously did when I never went anywhere
Dialogue: 0,0:42:12.90,0:42:16.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so now they offer me money instead.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:16.09,0:42:19.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm saying no to that too,\NI'm being good people.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:19.72,0:42:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[applause]
Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.84,0:42:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.26,0:42:31.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The one thing I never say no to is the\NWorld Science Fiction convention, World Con.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.78,0:42:36.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which I went to for the first time in 1971,\NI go to that every year.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.64,0:42:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's why I was in Ireland last month,\Nfor the World Con.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.44,0:42:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a lot of conventions on the\NScience Fiction calendar, some of them
Dialogue: 0,0:42:44.08,0:42:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are better than others, all of them are\Nfun to some degree.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.03,0:42:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But World Con is the oldest of them,\Nit's where the Hugo awards are given.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:53.08,0:42:57.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's where I see friends that I only see\Nonce a year.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:57.55,0:43:03.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Science Fiction fandom is like forever,\Nyou go in there an meet people
Dialogue: 0,0:43:03.89,0:43:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who will be part of your life for the next\Nfifty years.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:07.04,0:43:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You may only see them once a year at\NWorld Con but it's still great and
Dialogue: 0,0:43:10.04,0:43:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important to see them.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:12.22,0:43:15.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that one I'll probably never say no to,\Nbut I try to say no to a lot of the others.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:15.11,0:43:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At lest until 'Winds of Winter' is\Nfinished, then you'll see me popping
Dialogue: 0,0:43:18.18,0:43:20.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around and popping up places.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:20.78,0:43:23.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NWe're really grateful you said yes to us.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:23.10,0:43:26.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know it's also cause you wanted to go to\NGreek town and have some gyros,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:26.23,0:43:28.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which we talked about earlier.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:28.25,0:43:31.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NOPA!
Dialogue: 0,0:43:31.45,0:43:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NA lot of writers who have their work
Dialogue: 0,0:43:34.16,0:43:38.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,adapted to film or television are not\Nreally involved, they kind of hand it over,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:38.07,0:43:43.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes that can create a distant or\Nadversarial relationship with the adaptation.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:43.17,0:43:47.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are not like that, you've been a\Nproducer on Game of Thrones and you've
Dialogue: 0,0:43:47.26,0:43:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also written scripts for some of the most \Niconic episodes, and I want to shout out
Dialogue: 0,0:43:49.84,0:43:51.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a few of them
Dialogue: 0,0:43:51.89,0:43:56.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You wrote "The Pointy End" which has this\Namazing scene where Syrio Forel protects
Dialogue: 0,0:43:56.51,0:43:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arya as she escapes and her life\Nis never the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:59.88,0:44:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again this is a spoiler heavy zone,\Nso exits behind you if you need to leave.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.15,0:44:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You wrote that episode, that I love.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:12.24,0:44:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Black Water" and incredibly epic battle,\Nthat I think rivals Ministereth for
Dialogue: 0,0:44:16.16,0:44:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,great on screen battles.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:17.76,0:44:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where Tyrion proves himself to be a\Ncapable military strategist.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:20.46,0:44:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We get lots of sweet dragon fire exploding.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:22.96,0:44:25.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"The Lion and the Rose" where we bid,\Nfor some of us, a very gleeful farewell
Dialogue: 0,0:44:25.93,0:44:28.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to Jofrey.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:28.01,0:44:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We realize that we can see a minor die on\NTV and we're somehow still happy about it.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:32.48,0:44:34.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:44:34.83,0:44:47.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the same time, you're heavily involved\Nin the show, but you're still writing
Dialogue: 0,0:44:47.87,0:44:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this series and you reserve the right to\Ndo what you want there autonomously
Dialogue: 0,0:44:52.32,0:44:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not based on peoples responses to the\NTV series.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:55.40,0:44:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a long way of asking,\Nhow do you see the relationship between
Dialogue: 0,0:44:58.50,0:45:03.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,TV Westeros and fiction Westeros,\Nand how are you operating in both of
Dialogue: 0,0:45:03.07,0:45:06.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these worlds?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.51,0:45:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NWell, how many children did
Dialogue: 0,0:45:09.26,0:45:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Scarlet O'hara have?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:11.23,0:45:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NI'm the wrong one to ask that.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:13.48,0:45:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NShe had three in Margaret Mitchell's novel.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:17.98,0:45:20.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She had one in the movie.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:20.18,0:45:23.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So how many children did she have?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:23.71,0:45:26.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean which is "right"?
Dialogue: 0,0:45:26.07,0:45:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The actual answer to that is a trick \Nquestion of course.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:30.32,0:45:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is that Scarlet O'hara had no children\Nbecause she is a fictional character
Dialogue: 0,0:45:33.15,0:45:34.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and never existed.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.87,0:45:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:45:36.60,0:45:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's two different mediums and two\Ndifferent ways of telling the same story,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:40.74,0:45:42.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or at least a similar story.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:42.86,0:45:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's true whenever you adapt any work\Nfrom books to television or movies,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:50.92,0:45:53.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even a radio play for that matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:53.81,0:45:58.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to make choices as to what \Nyou leave in what you take out,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:58.31,0:46:02.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are issues that a television\Nproducer or screen writer has that
Dialogue: 0,0:46:02.18,0:46:04.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a novelist does not have.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:04.73,0:46:09.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to worry about the budget,\Nyou have to worry about the running time,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:09.43,0:46:15.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have actors who have contracts that \Nhave to be serviced.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:15.15,0:46:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could have a character like Theon Greyjoy\Nor Varis, disappear for entire books
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.84,0:46:28.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not be mentioned at all,\Nor perhaps be presumed dead,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:28.26,0:46:32.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're off and you don't know what\Nthey're doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:32.39,0:46:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't do that with a TV show,\Nthe actors are under contract,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:36.93,0:46:40.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're not gonna pay an actor for an\Nentire season and not have them
Dialogue: 0,0:46:40.14,0:46:42.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,appear on screen.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:42.91,0:46:48.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Television and film have things at their \Ndisposal that the novelist does not have.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:48.43,0:46:52.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They can have a score like the wonderful\Nmusic we were hearing by Ramin Djawadi.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:52.95,0:46:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our Emmy winning composer,\Nthat reinforces the show.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:57.90,0:47:00.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got marvelous special effects \Nand all that.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:00.82,0:47:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The novelist also has tools that the \Nscreen writer and the director don't have.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:05.54,0:47:12.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can use an unreliable narrator, he has\Nthe wonderful strength which I use very
Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.54,0:47:16.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,heavily in 'A Song of Ice and Fire' of \Npoint of view.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:16.59,0:47:20.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The camera is completely objective,\Nit has no point of view.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:20.31,0:47:22.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The camera is showing you what happened.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:22.80,0:47:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I write a scene from the view point\Nof Sansa I'm filtering everything through
Dialogue: 0,0:47:27.48,0:47:29.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sansa's perceptions.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:29.20,0:47:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sansa is only seeing what she is looking\Nat, if there is something behind her
Dialogue: 0,0:47:32.20,0:47:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she doesn't see it.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:34.36,0:47:38.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's more difficult to write when you're\Ndoing it with a camera.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:38.35,0:47:44.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So all of these things necessitate making\Nchanges, making a different approach
Dialogue: 0,0:47:44.75,0:47:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what the process of adaptation\Nis about.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:50.67,0:47:56.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then its up to the readers and the viewers\Nto decide which they like better.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:56.99,0:47:59.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They're both works of art.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:59.01,0:48:03.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Margaret Mitchell's novel is there, it can\Nbe read, you can go see the 1939 movie,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:03.51,0:48:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you take into account inflation and all\Nthat it's still the highest grossing movie
Dialogue: 0,0:48:12.61,0:48:15.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of all time.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:15.15,0:48:18.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can determine which you like better\Nand argue about how many children
Dialogue: 0,0:48:18.96,0:48:22.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she should have had.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:22.03,0:48:26.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There it is, its two different works\Nof art, related but not identical.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.95,0:48:29.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NAlmost like alternate universe versions
Dialogue: 0,0:48:29.42,0:48:31.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of eachother.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:31.87,0:48:35.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Initially when people started showing \Ninterest in the series for television
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.30,0:48:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you felt that the scale of it might be\Nbeyond what could be represented on film.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:40.64,0:48:44.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially because of part of what you\Njust mentioned, the scope of your many
Dialogue: 0,0:48:44.12,0:48:46.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,characters, the world, the complexity of\Nthe plot.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:46.89,0:48:49.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do you think was the X factor?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:49.13,0:48:52.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there something that changed or \Nsomething that made it work
Dialogue: 0,0:48:52.03,0:48:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,despite those challenges of the medium?
Dialogue: 0,0:48:55.36,0:49:02.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NI think HBO was of the X factor,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:02.66,0:49:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,HBO was willing to let us make an adult\Nfantasy.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:07.92,0:49:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Fantasy books had been dominating the\Nbest seller list for decades but,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:15.97,0:49:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whenever fantasy was done for TV for\NGame of Thrones, they put it on at 8 o'clock
Dialogue: 0,0:49:19.92,0:49:22.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,7 central.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:22.26,0:49:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was in the family hour because the\Npeople running television thought Fantasy
Dialogue: 0,0:49:26.59,0:49:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dragons and swords and stuff was something\Nsilly, that it was for children.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:32.26,0:49:37.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,HBO had enough faith to redefine at least\Nin terms of television, redefine the
Dialogue: 0,0:49:37.55,0:49:40.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fantasy genre.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:40.11,0:49:42.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That doesn't surprise me because you look\Nat what they did previously,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:42.95,0:49:47.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Deadwood, whole new take on westerns,\NSopranos, completely different take on
Dialogue: 0,0:49:47.41,0:49:49.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the gangster story.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:49.67,0:49:55.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,HBO was in the business of redefining \Ngenres and inverting troupes and
Dialogue: 0,0:49:55.47,0:49:58.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,turning them on their heads,\Nand they did it with Fantasy.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:58.75,0:50:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,David Benioff and Dan Weiss the\Nshow runners did an amazing job
Dialogue: 0,0:50:04.12,0:50:06.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they assembled a great team.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:06.84,0:50:12.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Game of Thrones has won, at this point,\Nmore Emmy's than any other show in the
Dialogue: 0,0:50:12.39,0:50:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,history of television, prime time show\Nanway.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:16.98,0:50:25.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What's interesting about it is many many\Nmany of those Emmy's are what they call
Dialogue: 0,0:50:25.25,0:50:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Hollywood below the line,\Nthey're for things like music, costuming,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:29.66,0:50:37.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,casting, stunt work, all of these things, \Nspecial effects.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:37.13,0:50:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of these things are necessary to do a \Ngood thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:40.15,0:50:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A novelist doesn't have to worry about \Nthat, I can just write what the
Dialogue: 0,0:50:43.92,0:50:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,costumes are, I don't have to worry\Nabout that.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:47.20,0:50:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The show runner has to put together a \Nteam of people who can do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:51.56,0:50:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the case of Game of Thrones with \Nextraordinary passion and skill to
Dialogue: 0,0:50:55.92,0:51:01.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,produce something that is really \Nmemorable and oustanding.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:01.19,0:51:05.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,David Benioff and Dan Weiss did that,\Nthey put together one of the greatest
Dialogue: 0,0:51:05.33,0:51:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,production teams and casts and crews\Nin the entire history of television, I think.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:10.31,0:51:12.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NThere are so many of those things that you
Dialogue: 0,0:51:12.95,0:51:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just mentioned that I could shout out\Nbut the costuming in particular,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:15.48,0:51:18.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm thinking of Daenerys obviously\Nin the kind of progression of costuming
Dialogue: 0,0:51:18.83,0:51:24.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the course of their personal\Ndevelopment as a character.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:24.25,0:51:32.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NEverything plays a role, all it takes is
Dialogue: 0,0:51:32.84,0:51:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one person to screw up and you know\Nyou're watching the first episode of some
Dialogue: 0,0:51:40.01,0:51:45.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new fantasy show and it seems to be\Npromising and the dialogue is good,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:45.03,0:51:50.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe the special effects are good, \Nand then you spot a zipper,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:50.100,0:51:54.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and suddenly your suspension of disbelief\Nis out the window.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:54.33,0:51:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you say "What the hell?" ya know?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:57.70,0:52:00.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They've lost you.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:00.05,0:52:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to get everything right.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:02.28,0:52:07.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Being a show runner of a major television\Nshow is really a difficult achievement.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:07.75,0:52:11.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NYou've mentioned in other interviews that
Dialogue: 0,0:52:11.47,0:52:15.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and early TV influence for your was\Nof course Star Trek and in that time
Dialogue: 0,0:52:15.47,0:52:21.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gene Roddenberry's universe was more \Ndiverse than some of the universes we see
Dialogue: 0,0:52:21.31,0:52:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on contemporary television.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:23.28,0:52:28.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know you're also producing an adaptation\Nof Nnedi Okorafor's "Who Fears Death?"
Dialogue: 0,0:52:28.08,0:52:31.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is exciting for many many reasons\Nbut one of them I think is that people
Dialogue: 0,0:52:31.58,0:52:35.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seem to have an increasing hunger for\Nsci-fi and fantasy and speculative fiction
Dialogue: 0,0:52:35.78,0:52:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that reflects the diversity of our world.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:38.38,0:52:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is that something that's important to you\Nor something you're thinking about?
Dialogue: 0,0:52:42.88,0:52:50.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NI think we have to move in that direction.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:50.27,0:52:59.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also think science fiction has always\Ndone better the society in general,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:59.65,0:53:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not that its perfect by any means.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:02.94,0:53:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The science fiction I like best is, \Nthere's a lot of kinds of science fiction,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:08.69,0:53:10.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and fantasy.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:10.81,0:53:17.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Besides epic fantasy there is urban\Nfantasy, there's dark fantasy, there's
Dialogue: 0,0:53:17.68,0:53:22.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fairy tales, there's cyber punk in \Nscience fiction, there's space opera.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:22.58,0:53:26.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are many many kinds of things.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:26.42,0:53:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The sort of science fiction that I grew\Nup on, that I love most of all,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:29.80,0:53:34.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the stuff that was set out among\Nthe stars.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:34.19,0:53:39.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where we go to alien planets 100 years\Nin the future, 500 years in the future,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:39.94,0:53:46.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and meet aliens, strange life forms,\Ndistant suns, it just appealed to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:46.82,0:53:51.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe it was cause of that travel thing,\NI liked the exotic flavors and to see
Dialogue: 0,0:53:51.41,0:53:55.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sights never seen before, to go places\Nno one had ever gone before.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:55.14,0:53:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I didn't realize though when I was\Nreading, and I realized it as an adult
Dialogue: 0,0:53:59.04,0:54:07.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many decades later, is that the we that \Nwas going out in those star ships in the
Dialogue: 0,0:54:07.61,0:54:11.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,science fiction that I read in the 50's\Nand 60's, they weren't Americans.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:11.97,0:54:15.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They weren't Chinese or Brazilian or French.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:15.98,0:54:19.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They were earth men, or earthlings,\Nor Terrans.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:19.99,0:54:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those were the terms that were made.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:21.75,0:54:26.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we were gonna meet the Octopus people \Nof the third planet of Vega it would be
Dialogue: 0,0:54:26.99,0:54:31.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Terrans meeting them and we would be \Npart of the solar alliance or the united
Dialogue: 0,0:54:31.76,0:54:35.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,planets or something like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:35.27,0:54:41.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of the authors of the time made a\Ndeliberate effort at diversity, maybe they
Dialogue: 0,0:54:41.63,0:54:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't entirely succeed but you look at \Nsomeone like Paul Anderson and he would
Dialogue: 0,0:54:47.72,0:54:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have Scotsman and Irishmen but also\NPolynesians and Brazilians.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:52.72,0:54:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Elspreg D'camp wrote a whole series in\Nwhich Brazil was the dominate power of
Dialogue: 0,0:54:58.66,0:55:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,23rd century Earth.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:05.74,0:55:08.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that message was always there, it was\Nthere in the pulp magazines and the early
Dialogue: 0,0:55:08.39,0:55:10.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,science fiction.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:10.19,0:55:13.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gene Roddenberry brought it to television.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:13.41,0:55:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The original Star Trek had some good\Nepisodes, and it had some really bad
Dialogue: 0,0:55:22.56,0:55:26.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,episodes but it was very exciting to see\Nit at the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:26.100,0:55:36.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Roddenberry was immensely courageous if\Nnothing else, maybe he wasn't the greatest
Dialogue: 0,0:55:36.55,0:55:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,writer to come down the pike or the \Ngreatest show runner but you look back
Dialogue: 0,0:55:40.50,0:55:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the show that came out in 1767,\Nhe put a black woman on the bridge
Dialogue: 0,0:55:47.58,0:55:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as communications engineer, he put\Nan Asian as helms man.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:55.32,0:56:01.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He put a Russian, at the height of the \Ncold war, on the bridge.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:01.44,0:56:06.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was selling the idea that his\Nfederation, Earth has put aside all of its
Dialogue: 0,0:56:06.67,0:56:11.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,differences and we'd all come together\Nas a single people.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:11.58,0:56:17.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe, most shocking of all was Spock.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:17.21,0:56:23.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You think of Spock as a Vulcan, he wasn't\Na Vulcan, he was a half-breed,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:23.23,0:56:26.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he was half Vulcan and he was half\Nhuman.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:26.48,0:56:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He had green blood and two hearts,\Na Vulcan father and a human mother,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:33.82,0:56:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you're a hard science fiction writer\Nthis makes no fucking sense, we're not
Dialogue: 0,0:56:38.40,0:56:42.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to actually be able to interbreed\Nwith the Octopus people of Vega,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:42.37,0:56:50.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it doesn't work that way, any more than we\Ncan impregnate wombats here on earth.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:50.27,0:56:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:56:52.46,0:57:00.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,None the less, whats striking about Spock\Nwhen this came out in 1967 is the fact
Dialogue: 0,0:57:00.89,0:57:06.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that at the time he was doing this\Nmiscegenation was still against the law
Dialogue: 0,0:57:06.10,0:57:09.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in half the states of the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:09.56,0:57:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was before Loving vs. Virginia which\Nwas the famous case recently dramatized
Dialogue: 0,0:57:14.96,0:57:20.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a movie, that established that a white\Nman could actually marry a black woman.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:20.57,0:57:26.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was against the law, interracial\Nmarriage, having children with people of
Dialogue: 0,0:57:26.75,0:57:31.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another race, and he's having half breed\NVulcans.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:31.86,0:57:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was enormously progressive at the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:36.92,0:57:41.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't really noticed it because I had\Nbeen reading about that stuff for
Dialogue: 0,0:57:41.04,0:57:46.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a long time but looking back on it now\Nand realizing books that sell 3,000 copies
Dialogue: 0,0:57:46.41,0:57:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are one thing but a television show\Nthat reaches 20 30 million people
Dialogue: 0,0:57:54.18,0:57:56.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really influences us.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:56.72,0:57:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They really reflect us.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:59.35,0:58:06.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, in science fiction and fantasy we are\Nseeing a great up swell of diverse voices.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:06.07,0:58:14.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By many different sorts of people,\Ndifferent skin colors, different religions,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:14.15,0:58:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different sexual orientations,\Nthey're producing their own takes on this.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:20.22,0:58:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As with any other groups some of them are\Ngood some of them are not so good,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:24.81,0:58:29.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think it's a healthy sign for the\Ngenre.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:29.09,0:58:33.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do hope that there's still room for\Nsome old white guys like me.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:33.54,0:58:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NYou can stay there is room at the table.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:38.56,0:58:40.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NGood.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:40.93,0:58:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NThere's only two seats here so we'll
Dialogue: 0,0:58:43.26,0:58:44.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see how it goes.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:44.72,0:58:46.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:58:46.05,0:58:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NI'm going to ask you one or two more
Dialogue: 0,0:58:47.88,0:58:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions and then I'll go to these fan\Nquestions.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:50.67,0:58:51.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NGreat.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:51.75,0:58:53.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NI think my final question will be this,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:53.90,0:58:58.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are a very frequently and many times\Ninterviewed person,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:58.54,0:59:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've been interviewed a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:01.04,0:59:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the interview question that \Nwish people would ask, and what is
Dialogue: 0,0:59:05.24,0:59:09.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the one that you do not like,\Nor that you loath the most with
Dialogue: 0,0:59:09.05,0:59:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,apologies to those who have previously \Nasked this question including me if
Dialogue: 0,0:59:13.92,0:59:17.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm one of the people, it's not personal\Nit's just that I'm asking.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:17.43,0:59:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a question you wish people would ask,\Nand a question you hate the most.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:21.24,0:59:29.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NObviously these days the question I hate
Dialogue: 0,0:59:29.62,0:59:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the most is when will 'Winds of Winter'\Nbe out.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:33.18,0:59:34.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,0:59:34.85,0:59:37.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I have no good answer for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:37.99,0:59:41.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the day comes that 'Winds of Winter'\Nis done and I can say, and I can when
Dialogue: 0,0:59:41.04,0:59:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asked that question, October.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:43.87,0:59:46.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That will a happier time for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:46.23,0:59:51.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's no fun to be asked repeatedly\Nthe same question over and over again,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:51.13,0:59:53.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you don't have a good answer for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:53.51,0:59:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are a lot of questions, I won't say\NI hate them but I've been asked them so
Dialogue: 0,0:59:57.76,1:00:03.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,often that it gets a little tiresome.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:03.34,1:00:08.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It also shows that however much the person\Nmay be a huge fan of mine they've
Dialogue: 0,1:00:08.00,1:00:13.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never actually gone online and looked\Nat any of the 137 other interviews of me
Dialogue: 0,1:00:13.26,1:00:15.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you can find on youtube.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:15.47,1:00:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which is your favorite character, which\Ncharacter do you like to write the most,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:19.44,1:00:22.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which character do you like to write the\Nleast?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:22.58,1:00:27.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ya know I've been answering that question\Nsince 1996.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:27.41,1:00:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are a number of questions that fall\Nin that category.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:33.10,1:00:42.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As to a question that I want to be asked,\Nthat's harder,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:42.01,1:00:44.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think I have one question.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:44.02,1:00:49.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do like the fact that in your questions\Nyou've discussed some things other than
Dialogue: 0,1:00:49.97,1:00:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Game of Thrones, I love Game of Thrones,\NI love 'Song of Ice and Fire' but I do
Dialogue: 0,1:00:56.01,1:01:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a long history of writing other\Nthings and I'm very happy and proud
Dialogue: 0,1:01:02.02,1:01:04.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of those things too.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:04.37,1:01:09.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's fun to discuss things that I haven't\Nbeen asked about before.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:09.74,1:01:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To talk about Fever Dream or Armageddon\NRag or the Wild Card series,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:17.23,1:01:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or Dying of the Light, or any of my\Nshort stories that I've written
Dialogue: 0,1:01:23.70,1:01:25.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the years.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:25.64,1:01:28.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NGood, I'm glad that if you hated one of
Dialogue: 0,1:01:28.95,1:01:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my questions you're keeping it to yourself\Nfor the time being.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:32.50,1:01:34.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,1:01:34.13,1:01:35.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's very polite of you.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:35.57,1:01:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK so I'm gonna ask you some fan questions,\Nfor which I can only moderately vouch
Dialogue: 0,1:01:39.44,1:01:43.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the quality, after having had asked\Nyou that last question.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:43.09,1:01:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NShould I be afraid?
Dialogue: 0,1:01:44.40,1:01:46.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NNo I think these are all fine,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:46.02,1:01:48.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to take my glasses off.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:48.19,1:01:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OK so, Brendan B. Fish, I presume not\Nhis real name on Twitter asks,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:52.36,1:01:56.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Speaking personally, do you believe that \NRobert, Ned, and Jon Aron were justified
Dialogue: 0,1:01:56.88,1:02:01.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in their rebellion against the Mad King,\Nif it were you would you have stayed loyal
Dialogue: 0,1:02:01.08,1:02:03.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the Targaryens?"
Dialogue: 0,1:02:03.66,1:02:08.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People in the audience are freaked out \Nby this question for some reason.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:08.52,1:02:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,1:02:10.84,1:02:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NI don't think I would have stayed loyal to
Dialogue: 0,1:02:14.17,1:02:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the mad king.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:16.52,1:02:18.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do I think I would justify it?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:18.45,1:02:20.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ya, yes and no.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:20.13,1:02:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't like to provide easy answers to \Nthat, I like to make the reader wrestle
Dialogue: 0,1:02:24.64,1:02:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the question and think about it.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:30.05,1:02:38.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because some of these questions never are\Neasy when we encounter them in real life.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:38.62,1:02:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's been interesting coming back here to\NChicago,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:45.80,1:02:53.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I spent ten years in Chicago and\Nthe Chicago area,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:53.15,1:02:58.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was at North Western from 1966 to 1971,\Nup in Evanston.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:58.95,1:03:03.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I was in Chicago from 71 to 76.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:03.67,1:03:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you look at that era, particularly \Nthe early part of that era, the 60's.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:11.72,1:03:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was sometimes known in the history\Nbooks, for you young people who have read
Dialogue: 0,1:03:16.35,1:03:19.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about it in history as the turbulent 60's.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:19.51,1:03:23.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was an altercation going down in\NVietnam that some of us didn't like,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:23.57,1:03:29.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were a lot of protests and\Ndemonstrations, people in the streets
Dialogue: 0,1:03:29.81,1:03:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the tens of thousands by the hundreds\Nof thousands in some cases.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:34.28,1:03:40.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I look back on that era now and ya know,\NI ask myself that question,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:40.55,1:03:45.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were the protests justified, did we do the\Nright thing, did we do the wrong thing,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:45.90,1:03:49.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should we have gone further?
Dialogue: 0,1:03:49.28,1:03:55.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was very much a clean for Gene guy,\NI still believed in the American system
Dialogue: 0,1:03:55.91,1:04:00.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and elections and let's elect Gene McCarthy
Dialogue: 0,1:04:00.82,1:04:03.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and put an end to the Vietnam war,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:03.14,1:04:05.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there were more radical people who\Nwanted to destroy the state
Dialogue: 0,1:04:05.70,1:04:08.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and tear it all down and rebuild it.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:08.84,1:04:14.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I look at all the things that\Nhappened, I don't know,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:14.66,1:04:17.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was a confused time and its still\Na confusing time when you
Dialogue: 0,1:04:17.89,1:04:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look back at history.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:20.70,1:04:23.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe 100 years from now when everybody\Nwho participated are dead,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:23.55,1:04:26.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'll be able to sort it out\Nand find the answers.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:26.34,1:04:30.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is violence ever justified to oppose\Nevil in the world, if so,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:30.41,1:04:34.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to what extent is violence justified?
Dialogue: 0,1:04:34.49,1:04:38.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These are the questions that Ned\Nand Robert had to deal with.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:38.39,1:04:44.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was no doubt that the mad king \Nwas mad.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:44.19,1:04:49.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was paranoid and violent\Nand he was abusing his power.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:49.93,1:04:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Westeros has no magna carta or \Nanything like that.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:53.24,1:04:57.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was no way to handle this within\Nthe rule of law.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:57.48,1:05:03.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was what they did justified?
Dialogue: 0,1:05:03.22,1:05:10.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially when you consider that it was \Ntriggered by a personal grievance.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:10.95,1:05:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The execution of Ned's father and brother,\Nwas really a thing that radicalized,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:16.50,1:05:21.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we would have said in the 60's,\NNed and put him in opposition to it.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:21.28,1:05:26.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Robert was just broiling for a fight,\Nand didn't like the fact that he lost
Dialogue: 0,1:05:26.34,1:05:29.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,his girlfriend.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:29.46,1:05:34.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The personal informs the political.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:34.47,1:05:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a reader I like the writers who ask\Nquestions and get you to think.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:43.28,1:05:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I try to do that as a writer.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:45.79,1:05:49.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't necessarily like the writers who \Ngive answers.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:49.65,1:05:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Often I don't agree with the answers \Nthey seem wrong to me in some cases,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:54.42,1:05:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they seem overly simplistic.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:57.38,1:06:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Questioning is important.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:01.10,1:06:07.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Theodore Sturgeon, who was one of the\Ngreat great science fiction writers
Dialogue: 0,1:06:07.74,1:06:11.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the golden age, a real individualist,\Nand free thinker, I think.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:11.99,1:06:17.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He had a slogan which was called\N"Ask the next question",
Dialogue: 0,1:06:17.38,1:06:22.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he wore it, he had a medallion \Nthat he wore with a big Q with
Dialogue: 0,1:06:22.98,1:06:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an arrow through it that stood for\N"Ask the next question.",
Dialogue: 0,1:06:26.50,1:06:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I always admired Sturgeon and his\Nviews on that.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:31.10,1:06:32.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NYour answer about not giving answers
Dialogue: 0,1:06:32.37,1:06:35.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a very good answer.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:35.47,1:06:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,1:06:36.52,1:06:37.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NThank you!
Dialogue: 0,1:06:37.72,1:06:40.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NLeah Rachel Von Essen writes to the
Dialogue: 0,1:06:40.39,1:06:41.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,humanities festival,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:41.86,1:06:46.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I'm inspired by Sansa's character," \NShe wrote books only, in parenthesis.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:46.47,1:06:51.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"I'm inspired by Sansa's character\Nand the way she her soft skills
Dialogue: 0,1:06:51.06,1:06:54.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aren't denigrated even as Arya is\Nthe more classic strength warrior,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:54.94,1:06:57.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do you think they parallel each other\Nand how does their relationship
Dialogue: 0,1:06:57.53,1:07:03.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mirror the dynamics of real life sibling\Nrelationships?"
Dialogue: 0,1:07:03.09,1:07:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NWell I hope that they are both realistic
Dialogue: 0,1:07:07.16,1:07:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,characters in some sense.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:10.35,1:07:14.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've known people who are like both \Nof them
Dialogue: 0,1:07:14.37,1:07:20.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in some sense I'm like both\Nof them.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:20.80,1:07:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're talking about two of my women\Ncharacters, girls in that case.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:27.68,1:07:33.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been asked about writing the girls,\Nand women in my books.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:33.63,1:07:38.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have the advantage in \N'A Song of Ice and Fire',
Dialogue: 0,1:07:38.27,1:07:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that I have a lot of women.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:45.80,1:07:49.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, I can do a lot of different\Nwomen characters.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:49.00,1:07:52.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In an interview that I did in Canada\Na number of years ago,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:52.58,1:07:58.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the host asked me how do I write\Nwomen characters and I said well,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:58.54,1:08:03.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had this revolutionary idea,\NI act as if women were people.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:03.87,1:08:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,1:08:05.56,1:08:09.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[applause]
Dialogue: 0,1:08:09.56,1:08:10.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's my feeling.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:10.99,1:08:14.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you have a book and you only have\None woman character,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:14.34,1:08:18.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sometimes there is not room for any\Nmore because you're writing a short story.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:18.36,1:08:24.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or a novel that only has three or\Nfour main characters.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:24.93,1:08:29.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People sometimes take it as oh that's\Nhis opinion of women or something,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:29.42,1:08:31.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this character has these flaws.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:31.94,1:08:34.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you have an advantage when you\Nhave twenty women characters
Dialogue: 0,1:08:34.95,1:08:40.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you can show the variety of people,\Nsome of them are noble, some of them
Dialogue: 0,1:08:40.45,1:08:44.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are selfish, some of them are smart,\Nsome of them are stupid,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:44.59,1:08:52.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's true of all groups,\Nmen, women, straight people, gay people,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:52.73,1:08:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever color.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:54.84,1:09:02.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They come in all varieties and even\Nthe individuals have good and evil
Dialogue: 0,1:09:02.11,1:09:04.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within them.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:04.95,1:09:13.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's realistic, and I think\Nwe're all grey.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:13.07,1:09:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We all have good and bad in us,\Nwe've all done good things
Dialogue: 0,1:09:16.92,1:09:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we've all done bad things.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:21.30,1:09:28.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Real history is full of stories about\Npeople who did something wonderful on
Dialogue: 0,1:09:28.42,1:09:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tuesday and something horrible on\NThursday, same person.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:33.22,1:09:36.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is a wonderful writer who passed\Naway a few years ago,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:36.53,1:09:39.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not a science fiction writer but,\NPat Conroy,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:39.65,1:09:42.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have any of you ever read Pat Conroy?
Dialogue: 0,1:09:42.10,1:09:43.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[applause]
Dialogue: 0,1:09:43.53,1:09:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Terrific writer, one of the great writers\NI think of the 20th century.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:47.82,1:09:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of his books were made into movies,\N"The Great Santini", "The Water is Wide"
Dialogue: 0,1:09:53.27,1:09:57.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which was made into the movie "Conrack",\Nbased on his own experiences teaching
Dialogue: 0,1:09:57.58,1:10:00.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the words of discipline.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:00.07,1:10:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Probably the best known books of his is\N"The Prince of Tides",
Dialogue: 0,1:10:04.20,1:10:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember that book, that book has a \Ncharacter in it who is an absolutely
Dialogue: 0,1:10:11.04,1:10:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,abusive father, he terrorized his children\Nhe abuses them both verbally
Dialogue: 0,1:10:16.88,1:10:18.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and physically.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:18.98,1:10:24.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's horrible to his wife,\Nhe's really a despicable, horrible person.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:24.30,1:10:28.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there are flashbacks within that to\NWorld War II,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:28.60,1:10:33.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about an American aviator flying a mission\Nover Nazi Germany who was shot down
Dialogue: 0,1:10:33.73,1:10:38.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he parachutes out to safety but now\Nhe's in the middle of Nazi Germany
Dialogue: 0,1:10:38.92,1:10:40.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he has to get all the way back\Nto the lines.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:40.95,1:10:47.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He makes his way through the German\Nlines, hiding in haystacks, and
Dialogue: 0,1:10:47.45,1:10:51.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,occasionally meeting Germans who try to\Nturn him in, and then other Germans who
Dialogue: 0,1:10:51.79,1:10:54.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are kind to him and hide him.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:54.17,1:10:58.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's an interesting secondary story line.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:58.51,1:11:01.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the same character, and you realize\Nas you read this,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:01.69,1:11:05.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're reading this story about this\Nbrave American aviator trying make his way
Dialogue: 0,1:11:05.03,1:11:08.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the Nazi's and to get back to the \Nlines and you're really rooting for him
Dialogue: 0,1:11:08.70,1:11:12.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're identifying with him \Nand you think he's great,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:12.28,1:11:17.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you get to the present day\Nand he's this horrible wretched person,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:17.45,1:11:22.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on Conrad's own father,\Nwho was mistreating his family.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:22.25,1:11:25.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I loved that, I loved that depth\Nof character there.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:25.45,1:11:30.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was amazing, the fact that Conrad \Ndid it so greatly.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:30.37,1:11:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's some of my views on characters.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:34.80,1:11:41.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arya and Sansa, indeed many of my \Ncharacters, are complicated people.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:41.48,1:11:46.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I try to show all of the complexities.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:46.06,1:11:50.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want it to be just one note.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:50.73,1:11:56.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Arya is certainly more popular than Sansa.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:56.86,1:12:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sansa has her people who love her too,\Nof course we'll have to see when I
Dialogue: 0,1:12:02.40,1:12:07.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,write the book, the end that I have\Nin mind for both of them.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:07.87,1:12:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NWow, yes, it takes me back to the point
Dialogue: 0,1:12:12.29,1:12:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you made earlier about length,\Nand one benefit is we can actually see
Dialogue: 0,1:12:15.64,1:12:20.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that character transformation,\Neven over the course of a single novel,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:20.26,1:12:24.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can see this character begin in\None condition and end somewhere else.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:24.51,1:12:29.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another question, this is from\NLucifer means light bringer,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:29.98,1:12:34.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I also assume is not this persons\Ngovernment name.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:34.01,1:12:36.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,1:12:36.03,1:12:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"You've created several notable in world,\Nmythical figures which seem to serve
Dialogue: 0,1:12:39.06,1:12:42.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as archetypes that other main characters\Necho at times,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:42.70,1:12:45.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can you say a few words about your use\Nof myth and internal folk lore and
Dialogue: 0,1:12:45.20,1:12:51.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way those things interact with the\Nmain story and characters?"
Dialogue: 0,1:12:51.00,1:12:53.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NYa I've had a lot of fun, it's part of the
Dialogue: 0,1:12:53.45,1:12:55.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world building process.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:55.67,1:13:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every world, every culture has its\Nmyths, has its legends, has its heroes.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:02.04,1:13:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I suspect everybody in this room,\Neven if you haven't read the books,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:08.19,1:13:13.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knows who Robin Hood was or \Na little about him, or King Arthur.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:13.41,1:13:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or maybe some of the American myths, \NPaul Bunion.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:17.61,1:13:20.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NOr Spider-Man or Super Man.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:20.06,1:13:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NRight, right.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:23.70,1:13:28.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We refer to them occasionally,\Nwe make references to them.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:28.57,1:13:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's sometimes amazing to think of the \Nextent to which some of these
Dialogue: 0,1:13:34.00,1:13:39.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ancient myths and ancient characters\Npermeate our culture.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:39.59,1:13:43.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We watch football as somebody blows out\Nhis Achilles tendon,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:43.59,1:13:46.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're referring to a character from Homer.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:46.51,1:13:50.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If he existed at all he existed 3,000\Nyears ago.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:50.97,1:13:55.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ya know, and his only vulnerability\Nwas his heel.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:55.06,1:13:58.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And because of that we're talking about\Nan injury to a football player.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:58.69,1:14:00.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's amazing.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:00.61,1:14:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, a mythical world,\Nobviously I can't reference Achilles,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:05.08,1:14:10.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or Paul Bunion or Spider-Man,\Nbut has to have its own heroes,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:10.95,1:14:13.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and its own legends.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:13.87,1:14:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I try to put them in to give that flavor.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:19.00,1:14:24.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had a lot of, I don't know how many of\Nyou have read my latest Westeros book,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:24.20,1:14:26.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Fire and Blood'.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:26.27,1:14:28.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[applause]
Dialogue: 0,1:14:28.86,1:14:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Fire and Blood' was a little different\Nbecause it's not part of 'A Song of Ice and Fire'
Dialogue: 0,1:14:34.27,1:14:38.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a fake history book,\Nimaginary history.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:38.01,1:14:42.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,About the first 150 years of the \NTargaryen dynasty.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:42.66,1:14:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's written in world, it's written by\Narchmaester Gyldyan at the citadel,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:47.58,1:14:52.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,three hundred years after many of the\Nevents which he is chronicaling.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:52.86,1:14:58.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So like a real historian, like someone\Nwriting now about the American revolution,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:58.13,1:15:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well he wasn't there for the American \Nrevolution he has to go back and look
Dialogue: 0,1:15:01.38,1:15:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at primary sources.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:03.90,1:15:06.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So did archmaester Gyldayn,\Nand what you find out when you do that
Dialogue: 0,1:15:06.72,1:15:09.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that primary sources disagree.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:09.80,1:15:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They have different versions of events,\None person said it happened this way
Dialogue: 0,1:15:13.72,1:15:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another person says no that never \Nhappened it happened this way.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:17.06,1:15:21.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Archmaester Gyldayn trying to be a good \Nhistorian is replicating all
Dialogue: 0,1:15:21.18,1:15:23.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the different versions.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:23.39,1:15:26.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was a lot of fun for me because\NI could play with
Dialogue: 0,1:15:26.02,1:15:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the whole concept of history.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:28.24,1:15:31.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,History being told by the winners,\Nhistory being cleaned up and
Dialogue: 0,1:15:31.58,1:15:35.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,made politically correct, \Nor religiously correct,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:35.05,1:15:38.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I could present different versions\Nof the various stories.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:38.42,1:15:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I enjoyed that and I think some\Nof my readers enjoyed that too.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:43.50,1:15:48.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Particularly the version of history told\Nby Mushroom the court fool.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:48.25,1:15:54.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who always told everything in the most\Nsexual lascivious and shocking
Dialogue: 0,1:15:54.11,1:15:56.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way possible.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:56.86,1:15:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Usually with himself as the hero.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:58.92,1:16:01.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NAnd you have a history degree,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:01.31,1:16:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that's helpful.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:02.99,1:16:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NWell not a history degree,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:04.66,1:16:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but a history minor.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:06.56,1:16:08.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love history, I read a lot of it.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:08.24,1:16:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not a historian by any means,\NI'm just a history nerd.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:11.56,1:16:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NSo I'm going to give our final question
Dialogue: 0,1:16:15.25,1:16:19.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to someone named Adam Prestigicomo,\Nwho wants to know,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:19.25,1:16:23.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh what up you're here,\Ndid I say your last name kind of right?
Dialogue: 0,1:16:23.53,1:16:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh great, nailed it.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:26.72,1:16:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our good friend Adam wants to know,\N"what is something that makes you happy?"
Dialogue: 0,1:16:31.04,1:16:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[applause]
Dialogue: 0,1:16:32.94,1:16:34.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,1:16:34.72,1:16:41.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NThere are a lot of things
Dialogue: 0,1:16:41.07,1:16:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that make me happy.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:44.28,1:16:51.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love books, reading a good book \Nmakes me happy.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:51.55,1:16:55.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been reading since I was a small kid\NI still read veraciously.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:55.72,1:16:59.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I read a chapter or two from a book\Nalmost every night.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:59.66,1:17:03.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Every once and a while I pick up\Na book where I read that chapter or two
Dialogue: 0,1:17:03.09,1:17:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I have to read another chapter\Nand another chapter and another chapter.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:05.81,1:17:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wind up staying up all night,\NI love it when that happens.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:08.72,1:17:11.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love good movies, I love good television.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:11.89,1:17:15.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The kinds that get their hooks into me\Nand I have to binge all on Netflix.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:15.78,1:17:19.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I actually kind of hate the concept of\Nbinging but I find myself doing it anyway.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:19.78,1:17:21.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,1:17:21.48,1:17:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As my waste line will testify \NI love good food.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:24.40,1:17:29.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Especially Greek food in Chicago, Opa Opa!
Dialogue: 0,1:17:29.40,1:17:34.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Great barbecue when I'm in Texas.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:34.53,1:17:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In New Mexico where I live,\NI moved to New Mexico in 1979 and I can
Dialogue: 0,1:17:38.72,1:17:42.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never leave because I became\Naddicted to green chille.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:42.37,1:17:45.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Which you can really on get in New Mexico.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:45.85,1:17:49.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Someone there knows the truth of what \NI speak.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:49.42,1:17:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You'll probably all boo me for this but \Nof course pizza in New York.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:53.28,1:17:58.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NIt is what it is.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:58.89,1:18:04.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NSo I love all that.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:04.06,1:18:10.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I love writing my own stories,\Nparticularly I love finishing them.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:10.90,1:18:15.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,1:18:15.57,1:18:18.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I actually don't love, I mean people say\Ndo I enjoy writing,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:18.45,1:18:20.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NNo one likes writing.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:20.95,1:18:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NWriting is hard.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:22.92,1:18:24.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NWriting sucks.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:24.20,1:18:25.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,1:18:25.27,1:18:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,GEORGE:\NI'm constantly questioning myself every
Dialogue: 0,1:18:27.04,1:18:29.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sentence I put down I wonder whether\Nits good enough.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:29.25,1:18:33.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I reread what I wrote yesterday\Nand I hate it.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:33.51,1:18:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when I actually finish a book, \Nthe rush that comes through me,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:38.24,1:18:41.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was easier to write short stories\Ncause then I would get that rush
Dialogue: 0,1:18:41.18,1:18:47.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every few weeks but now I get that rush\Nevery eight years or something like that.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:47.60,1:18:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,1:18:49.68,1:18:55.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a great rush, and I'm hoping to\Nhave it again in the relatively near future.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:55.23,1:18:59.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I finish 'Winds of Winter',\NI do know that the day after
Dialogue: 0,1:18:59.70,1:19:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Winds of Winter' comes out I'll get\Nthe first text saying,
Dialogue: 0,1:19:04.84,1:19:08.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when is 'Dream of Spring' coming out?
Dialogue: 0,1:19:08.47,1:19:10.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,1:19:10.47,1:19:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, ya know, these pleasures are temporary.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:14.17,1:19:17.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a lot of things I love,\NI love the people in my life.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:17.96,1:19:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been very fortunate.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:19.84,1:19:24.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have my wonderful wife Paris \Nwho unfortunately couldn't be with me
Dialogue: 0,1:19:24.14,1:19:25.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on this trip.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:25.51,1:19:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have an amazing staff of minions\Nwho serve me.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:29.56,1:19:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of them, Sid is here with me tonight.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:32.73,1:19:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Four or five others are at home,\Nthey try to keep my working,
Dialogue: 0,1:19:36.20,1:19:39.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and try to keep the distractions at bay.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:39.07,1:19:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love my publishers David Munch,\Nwho didn't want me to come here.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:42.57,1:19:44.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[laughter]
Dialogue: 0,1:19:44.45,1:19:47.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my editor Anne Groll,\Nand my wonderful publishers.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:47.62,1:19:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a lot of things that make me happy,\Nthank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:52.39,1:19:55.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[applause]
Dialogue: 0,1:19:55.42,1:20:02.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EVE:\NWell, George R. R. Martin,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:02.69,1:20:10.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it has made me very happy to have\Nthe chance to speak with you
Dialogue: 0,1:20:10.81,1:20:14.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think I speak for a lot of people in\Nthe audience who share that sentiment.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:14.98,1:20:18.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please give one more round of applause\Nto George R. R. Martin.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:18.32,1:20:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[applause]