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Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.49,0:00:22.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: Welcome everybody for our\Nnext talk 'Infrastructures in a horizontal
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.49,0:00:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,farmers community'. I guess one thing that\Nall of us have in common is, that we all
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.36,0:00:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are in special communities. We want to\Nbuild better communities. We want to build
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.22,0:00:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better infrastructure. And we want to\Nbuild better technology, be it in a little
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.40,0:00:41.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hackerspace in Sweden or in a theater\Ngroup in France or in an NGO in Germany.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.79,0:00:46.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is something that unites us all. And\Nour next speaker, Andrea, she is giving us
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.80,0:00:51.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some insights into their farming community\Nin Italy, because she has 15 years of
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.80,0:00:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experience with that. So I think we can\Nall learn quite a lot. And Andrea is a
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.74,0:01:00.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,self-taught web developer. She graduated\Nin communication sciences. She is also a
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.92,0:01:05.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cook and she is part of a group of radical\Nfarmers. I would say she's a little bit of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.31,0:01:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything, a jack of all trades. So,\Nshe's the best person to give us some
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.68,0:01:13.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,insights. So, please welcome Andrea with a\Nbig, warm round of applause and enjoy this
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.62,0:01:20.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk. Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.82,0:01:28.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Andrea: Well, thanks to you too, everyone,\Nto stay here. It will be difficult to fit
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.01,0:01:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a 30 minute to explain the experience\Nand to explain the interaction between a
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.17,0:01:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of different communities, not only\Nthese experiencing Bologna, but okay. I
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.68,0:01:48.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will speak about Campi Aperti. Campi\NAperti means open field in Italian. And I
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.55,0:01:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come from Bologna. OK, Bologna, if you\Nimagine that this is Italy, it's here,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.25,0:02:02.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bologna. I'm speaking about the growing\Nvegetable, growing organic food. This is a
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.72,0:02:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community of a farmers. It's a community\Nof people that reclaim the rights to grow
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.76,0:02:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our food and decide how the territories,\Nthe land, the countryside is transformed.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.20,0:02:30.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so it is direct action. There are\Nthere are some reclaims to change some
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.06,0:02:37.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,law. But we are not wait that these law in\NItaly are changed. But we do directly this
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.92,0:02:44.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff. This stuff is a survival for\Nfarmers, because the problem is that there
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.25,0:02:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exists only law in Italy that are for the\Ntransformed, the food, make pizza, bread,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.25,0:02:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beer and this stuff and only are made for\Nindustrial production. So, the production
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.62,0:03:06.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of unmade, of the farmer is, that there\Nare no law for these. You can't do sell.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.51,0:03:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can't do direct sell. But this group\Nof farmers do this is stuff. And so they
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.30,0:03:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a political action really, in the\Nstreet, in the square. And then they must,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.76,0:03:31.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more visible stuff that they do, is do\Nthese organic markets. But is not only
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.07,0:03:39.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this. Is political stuff. And these food,\Ntheir background and their roots in
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.73,0:03:49.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,radical anti capitalist group and from the\Nglobal movement in the 90s. So, where?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.74,0:03:55.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where are these stuff happen? Happen in\Nplaces that are free. Because you can't
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.82,0:04:00.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ask at the beginning. Fifteen years ago\Nyou can talk. But also now, probably is
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.38,0:04:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more difficult. You can't ask the\Nmunicipality to start that these kinds of
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.90,0:04:13.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,markets. And they found a good ground in\Nsquat in square in the street, in places
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.98,0:04:22.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are managed by human agreement, not\Nthe law. And so Campi Aperti was born in
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.31,0:04:32.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2003 in XM24 in Bolognina. That is on a\Nshared, is occupied, public shared space,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.46,0:04:37.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,self-managed by our community. Is not a\Nservice, is a place where the needs of the
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.65,0:04:47.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community and the answer to these needs,\Nfind an answer and a solution. This place
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.39,0:05:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is under the threat of eviction and we\Nsupport a lot this place. Really, really
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.03,0:05:10.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important for our life. So I told you\Nwhere and I want also told you how. Not
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.05,0:05:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how, only how after. When. The time. The\Ntime, it's important stuff. The time, for
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.58,0:05:29.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,capitalism, is thinking in hours and\Nmoney. But, and it's fast, but this, is
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.68,0:05:38.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shaped on you, on an egocentric idea. But\Nthis is not the only way to think the
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.09,0:05:48.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time. For farmers is really easy. Think of\Nthe time cyclical, not egocentric, not
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.75,0:05:58.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,human centred way. And so there are habits\Nto plan the stuff and to take a seasonal
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.01,0:06:05.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agreement or seasonal planning. And so,\Nthe first stuff to rethink our life and
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.53,0:06:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our community is, take our time. Our time\Nof to grow relationship and our time to
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.79,0:06:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think how to do this stuff. And our time\Nwhen we buy something. Our time to think
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.48,0:06:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it came from. The stuff that we buy\Nand the stuff that we eat. In which how
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.47,0:06:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are developed and where it comes from.\NWhere from, from what the community and
Dialogue: 0,0:06:36.54,0:06:49.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from what territories. OK. This is a gift\Nthat you will find in the slide. If you go
Dialogue: 0,0:06:49.60,0:06:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to check after these talk, you can see\Nalso a video in Creative Commons for sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.34,0:07:06.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And but the now I have not the time to\Nshow our action in video. I want to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.100,0:07:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explain a bit the infrastructure. The\Ninfrastructure is based on the human
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.05,0:07:22.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agreement and the group of Campi Aperti\Nstarted with five people in an occupied
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.06,0:07:29.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space, public space and they started with\Na small market. After and after they grew.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.75,0:07:38.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now there are more than 150 farmers.\NAnd with thousands of people that come at
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.31,0:07:47.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the market and are co-producer of the\Nproducts. And so we manage ourself by
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.78,0:07:57.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assemblies and we do this stuff for\Nconsensus method. So the topic are food
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.28,0:08:04.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,autonomy, be independent with the food.\NSafeguard the territories, practice
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.76,0:08:11.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agroecology and we shared, we have a\Nshared warranty. So the group of farmer
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.63,0:08:22.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not to take, not upset, decentralize the\Nwarranty about organic food by the state,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.87,0:08:28.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they practice our shared warranty.\NMeans that everyone, everyone of the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.91,0:08:36.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,producer at the market, take care of the\Nproduct, also of the orders and and the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.91,0:08:42.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,care of the relationship . But this also\Nmeans, that if you break the trust, one
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.33,0:08:47.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the other, you go out from the\Ncommunity. And this looks like difficult
Dialogue: 0,0:08:47.85,0:08:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to decide, but is not so difficult,\Nbecause when you are local, and you know
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.17,0:09:01.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the products that you grow and the how are\Norganic, it's easy to to decide this
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.27,0:09:09.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff. Is a look like that, for explain\Nsome technical people, is like if you not
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.68,0:09:20.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trust the certification authority, but you\Nare based on a web of trust. And so we
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.17,0:09:25.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,include also in our relationship, in our\Nwork, the sense of the limit and the
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.68,0:09:32.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mutualism. So we plan to not grow too much\Nbut to grow only locally. And we divided
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.34,0:09:38.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the assembly. There are assembly for every\Nmarket, that are 8 every month. There are
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.74,0:09:45.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assembly globally all together, every two\Nmonths. And the assembly every two months
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.43,0:10:00.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,locally for our valley, are based on\Nformal consensus method. This means that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.53,0:10:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we trained us to stay in the consensus\Narea. We know that the agreement are based
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.35,0:10:14.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in balance between a relationship and\Nknowledge. We come all from a different
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.36,0:10:19.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowledge, because we are specialized in\Ndifferent stuff and that we have to grow
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.23,0:10:26.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,together our relationship, so we can, we\Ntry to stay in this area of consensus
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.43,0:10:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowing that we are different knowledge,\Nbut I trust. We don't want to stay in
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.12,0:10:36.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ananomity. We don't want stay always agree\Nall together, because there are a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.83,0:10:44.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,risk in that area. You can, in this area,\Nyou grow the diversity. In that area, you
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.35,0:10:51.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are doing echo chambers and you are doing,\Nyou can do easily mistake in the unanimity
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.20,0:10:59.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,place. In the other, you find the low\Ntrust and different knowledge. So you are
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.54,0:11:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in dissent normally and you have of low\Nrelationship, so low trust. But a full
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.50,0:11:10.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agreement of what do you want for the\Nfuture? The only stuff that you can do is
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.01,0:11:15.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take a technical agreement together. So\Nwrite really specific law. But we don't
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.51,0:11:22.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want law, so we want the agreement and the\Nguideline. The other stuff are done by
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.39,0:11:31.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trust, one with the other. So, told you\Nthat we use formal consensus method, means
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.26,0:11:38.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in these distributed meeting, we have\Nshared agreements. We start with a base
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.94,0:11:45.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ground that is that every assembly is\Nreported. So at the beginning of every
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.71,0:11:51.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assembly, we choose a rapporteur, or more\Nthan one, because sometimes there are
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.31,0:11:59.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,global assembly, that start at the morning\Nand finish in the evening. And so, we have
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.71,0:12:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a time, a keeper for the speaker. And we\Ndecide to put in our agreement that the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.25,0:12:15.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right to listen and to be listened and\Nthat no meta conversation of the topic,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.30,0:12:23.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only everyone talk speak for herself.\NOkay, we need that to communicate. And
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.36,0:12:29.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we started to think about the\Ncommunication, we speak with another
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.03,0:12:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community that know better this stuff\Nabout communication than us and we found,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.93,0:12:44.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we know, because we share that same\Nthe same political idea, with hackmeeting.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.73,0:12:52.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hackmeeting is a community in Italy that\Nis anti fascist, anti racist and anti
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.75,0:13:02.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sexist, and was born in the 90s also, that\Nthe community and every year they meet in
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.35,0:13:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different space, occupied space in Italy.\NThey are for the freedom in the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.49,0:13:16.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communication, and with a critical view\Nabout technologies. So, we ask asked and
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.25,0:13:26.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we discover a lot of self managed server,\Nand for first tools that we implemented in
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.03,0:13:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the 2004, was our website.Yeah. And we\Nstarted with a lot of mailing list. The
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.80,0:13:41.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first tool was mailing list and after, to\Ncommunicate outside in the group, we
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.73,0:13:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started with this website hosted\Nautistici/inventati. That is one of the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.92,0:14:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,older self managed server in Italy near\Nus, with a strong view about anonymity and
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.48,0:14:07.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the privacy oriented for the user. The\Ncommunication are really, really
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.64,0:14:16.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important. In group that live in the\Ncountryside you live in different farm,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.63,0:14:22.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,far from one from the other. And so\Nhappened, that to use the mailing list,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:22.52,0:14:28.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all people need the connectivity. So, what\Nhappened that if you based your
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.22,0:14:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connectivity on a commercial companies and\Nyour are in countryside, you discovered
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.68,0:14:41.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you are told: No, you are still far\Nfrom the city and we don't earn too much
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.30,0:14:49.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enough to bring to you connectivity. And\Nso, we started to explore how to resolve
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.21,0:14:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this problem. And we discovered that\Nexists yet a community that have thought
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.50,0:15:00.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this stuff and that yet existed a Pico\Npeer (Peer to Peer) agreement. And in Italy, we
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.76,0:15:12.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meet ninux, ninux community that are\Nbased, that shared us and teach us how set
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.85,0:15:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mesh network. And so I show you a bit of\Nphotograph. Our infrastructure is a small
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.94,0:15:33.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and grow really slowly, and is based, our\Nhardware are 15 people that want stay
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.62,0:15:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connected, one with the other, and\Nunderstood that the broadcasting
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.50,0:15:47.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connection is nice, is really lighter, use\N5Ghz point to point antenna, to do point
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.90,0:16:02.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to point connection and so the cost to\Nstay, to learn and to do maintain that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:02.60,0:16:09.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,network is an effort that they can do. And\Nwe found also for people more technician
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.71,0:16:18.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that help, is like help to install Linux,\Nbut here we install OpenWrt. And after
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.69,0:16:25.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people know how maintain and take\Ncare, they in freedom their PC. And in
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.10,0:16:30.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this case, antenna. We use all super\Nproprietary hardware that we change the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.87,0:16:36.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,firmware and we use tp-link ubiquity but\Nwe are switching to an open hardware
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.23,0:16:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project that is LibreRouter, and as\Nsoftware we use LibraMesh, libremesh.org.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.80,0:16:58.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is a project, that is a bundle of\Nconfiguration open over OpenWrt. And that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.45,0:17:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use a different protocol like babeld and\Nbatman adv. But yeah, the topic of them is
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.40,0:17:13.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make easier this stuff for the user, and\Nthey do. So, we have a blog
Dialogue: 0,0:17:13.22,0:17:20.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,antennine.noblogs.org. That where we take\Nthe documentation of this stuff. We think
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.77,0:17:30.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot about technology. Also think, why we\Nare adopt technology. And so we started to
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.11,0:17:40.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deploy a feminist view about technologies.\NMeans, that we thinks that every
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.02,0:17:45.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technologies is an effort. When someone\Ntold to you, that this technology is
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.69,0:17:53.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,smarter, sometime is because is not the\Nconsidering the entire cycle of life of
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.75,0:18:02.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that technologies. And so looking a lot in\Nthe technologies that everyone this moment
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.83,0:18:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is doing advertisement about technologies:\Nhey use this, is easy. We think: ok no,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.80,0:18:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stop. Stop. Is better wait and think what\Ndo we are doing. So we think that it's
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.32,0:18:23.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,important not to do the things alone,\Nbecause you became the point of failure of
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.26,0:18:29.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your of your community. To be resistant\Nyou need to do this stuff with more
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.08,0:18:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people, not start if you are alone, and\Nmix proficient people with newbie.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.48,0:18:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Contemplated the possibility of making\Nmistake and so, build the testing
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.11,0:18:47.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,environment before put the stuff in\Nproduction. Document everything to explain
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.32,0:18:52.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the choice that you took, and that give\Nthe time to yourself and to the other to
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.68,0:19:00.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,study, and not to be too much specialized.\NSpecialized brings people too easily to go
Dialogue: 0,0:19:00.62,0:19:10.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to burnout. It's better, if you trust\Nyourself in more than one topic and share
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.39,0:19:14.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,knowledge with the other. Not to go too\Nmuch in deep in one topic, because you
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.61,0:19:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lost the entire view, and why you are\Ndoing something. You are not pay for to do
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.80,0:19:26.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this stuff for community, is a need for\Ncommunity and is a richness of for
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.34,0:19:35.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everyone of your community, in our view,\Nin our way that we do this stuff. So, we
Dialogue: 0,0:19:35.03,0:19:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,start from our needs. We started to speak\Nabout our digital data in 2016. This is a
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.24,0:19:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meeting of a Genuino Clandestino. That is\Nthe bigger network of self organized
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.12,0:19:56.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,farmers in Italy. And there are a lot of\Ndifferent small communities that do, that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.46,0:20:02.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to grow vegetable and do direct sell in\Nshared public space. And we started to
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.62,0:20:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speak about our digital data and we\Ndecided, that we don't want to put in
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.42,0:20:14.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Google, Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple\Nspace. We are anti GAFAM. And because
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.59,0:20:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are against the big distribution of the\Nfood and also big distribution of the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.22,0:20:25.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,data, we think that in this moment is\Nreally important to take care of our
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.29,0:20:35.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intimacies and our data. So we decided to\Nput in server and to run ourself these
Dialogue: 0,0:20:35.93,0:20:46.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,services. And we spend a one hour, one\Nyear to find a virtual private server.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.87,0:20:54.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Someone that host our digital place that\Nshared with us our policy, and we found in
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.90,0:21:02.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,France, in Toulouse, the tetaneutral.net.\NThat is inside of a bigger network that is
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.85,0:21:09.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,federated france data network and are\Nreally important for us, because they, I
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.85,0:21:13.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thinks that they do a good work, because\Nof they are for the neutrality, for
Dialogue: 0,0:21:13.38,0:21:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,freedom of choice to the internet and with\Nbudget based on donation of the community.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.96,0:21:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've passed a lot of time to find, inside\Nour community of farmers, sysadmin and we
Dialogue: 0,0:21:28.92,0:21:37.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,found, and we started to use the Nextcloud\Nas a free software to where host our data.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.93,0:21:45.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we decide to start, we started in\NMarch of this year, and we decided to
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.19,0:21:54.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,start to use only for administrative work.\NSo, only for 10 people of the group. And
Dialogue: 0,0:21:54.21,0:22:01.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after deciding if these are tool is OK for\Nour needs or not. If is not we will see
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.26,0:22:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we are just in time to go back and not\Nuse. But at the moment, the stuff are
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.61,0:22:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,running good, and we are store in this\Ncloud the cards about our farmers. Because
Dialogue: 0,0:22:20.22,0:22:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we make everyone to enter in Campi Aperti\Nneeds to be visited by another farmer, and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:27.26,0:22:36.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that to know the, how they grow vegetable\Nand the how they do organic stuff. And so,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.05,0:22:45.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we write dossier of ourself, and it's why\Nthe website was not more enough. We need
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.45,0:22:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,private place where store this stuff, also\Nto decentralize the task that we have to
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.84,0:23:01.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do. To distribute the task. And so, after\Nthis one year of testing, we are planning
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.35,0:23:09.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how to grow, okay. If all the stuff are\Ngoing good, we decide how to grow. And so
Dialogue: 0,0:23:09.93,0:23:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again, we decide to not to do this stuff\Nalone. We look around in a community near
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.24,0:23:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to us and we decide again to adopt\Nsomething that is yet to use the body
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.53,0:23:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(???) of community that is anti-fascist,\Nanti-racist and anti-sexist. That is
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.89,0:23:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Autistici/Inventati. They change the\Ninfrastructure this year and they moved
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.64,0:23:50.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,container infrastructure to have divided\Nthe configuration, the specific
Dialogue: 0,0:23:50.09,0:23:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,configuration, the configuration that you\Ncan share with other and the software. All
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.90,0:24:10.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this free stuff are managed by\Nminimalistic orchestrator container. And
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.22,0:24:17.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is called the FLOAT. And we find this\Nsolution interesting, also because we
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.79,0:24:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started with the other possibility of a\Nsolution, and we saw that in this moment
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.96,0:24:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are huge software also open source,\Nthat can resolve this problem. But
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.87,0:24:44.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,developed and used by huge open source\Ncompany that not really feed our needs. So, we
Dialogue: 0,0:24:44.63,0:24:50.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are interesting in this software, because\Ngive static service allocation, like some
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.52,0:24:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of these feature looks like not real, are\Nnon feature for the needs of the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.38,0:25:04.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,companies. But for us are, because we have\Nour community, so we have different needs.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:04.75,0:25:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, how its work, quickly. Because yeah,\Nwe are at the CCC, I have to show you
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.64,0:25:17.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something of technical. So, we have a\Nspecific genetic configuration, that we
Dialogue: 0,0:25:17.47,0:25:24.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,versioning with GIT. We use Ansibel to\Nversioning our configuration and the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.27,0:25:32.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,software, so the generic part, is builded\Nby the continuous integration that we have
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.81,0:25:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on our decision Autistici/Inventati. That\Nis builded in a... we have a Docker
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.61,0:25:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,registry and build the Docker image. And\Nso, FLOAT deployed, running our Ansible
Dialogue: 0,0:25:45.31,0:25:53.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,playbook, deploy the different Docker\Nimage on the different machine. So, why
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.81,0:26:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's good for us? Because we can\Nversioning all the stuff, so we can also
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.06,0:26:06.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do mistake but go back and we can deploy\Non virtual machine, where we can do
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.94,0:26:25.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,testing and on the real production on the\Nreal machine. This is, I thinks why we
Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.91,0:26:32.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thinks to adopt. Also, because we want not\Nuse, we don't want to stay on a virtual
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.69,0:26:40.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,machine, we would like move on bare metal\Nand we trust to the group, these
Dialogue: 0,0:26:40.40,0:26:50.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,orchestrator is only 1000 line of Python\Ncode, and is written like, is Ansibl
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.46,0:26:59.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plugin and we can use the double factor\Nauthentication, universal two factor
Dialogue: 0,0:26:59.03,0:27:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authentication. That is good for us,\Nbecause if you have for the stuff that
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.12,0:27:10.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your security is base, could be based on\Nhow to do a token. So you have a security
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.79,0:27:18.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in something of local, that you have to\Nkeep. And in some integrated monitoring,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.95,0:27:26.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Prometeus and Graphader (???). And\Nthis feature, or non- feature is, that the
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.96,0:27:32.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,services go down when something fail. And\Nthis is, for us, this is important. We are
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.30,0:27:38.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not a company that have to stay 24 hour\Nup. We are a community that they want to
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.23,0:27:45.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know, if something goes wrong with your\Nmachine and if someone put physically the
Dialogue: 0,0:27:45.05,0:27:56.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hands on your machine. Yeah, this is, now\Nis the time of the question. Slow please,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.59,0:28:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the question, because I don't speak really\Nwell English {\i1}Andrea laughs{\i0} you see now?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.78,0:28:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But also I don't understand really well.\NAnd these is the long list of thanks and
Dialogue: 0,0:28:08.82,0:28:15.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the community that I speak about.\NThere is also EclecticTechCarnival, that
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.29,0:28:23.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a feminist community, that pushed a lot\Nto me to arrive here to explain this stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:28:23.58,0:28:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to you. And thanks.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.56,0:28:36.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\i1}applause{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.22,0:28:41.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: Thank you very much for the\Ngreat talk. It was very, very interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.14,0:28:45.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We still have 10 minutes for questions and\Nanswers. If you have questions, just move
Dialogue: 0,0:28:45.15,0:28:50.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the three microphones in the room, and\Nthen we're going to have you ask your
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.74,0:28:54.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions. So, we start with microphone\Nnumber two. Very slow in English, please.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:54.61,0:28:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Andrea: Yes.\NMic 2: Thank you very much for the talk. I
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.80,0:29:03.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a question. The customers, do they\Npay in advance for a year or do they pay
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.97,0:29:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the market?\NAndrea: Ok. In Bologna, in Campi Aperti
Dialogue: 0,0:29:11.76,0:29:19.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experience is direct sell in the market.\NSo the co-producer, the consumer pay at
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.29,0:29:25.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the moment. But we know that that is not\Nthe perfect model and there are other
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.57,0:29:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other experiment the city, in which Campi\NAperti and this group of farmer is
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.76,0:29:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,involved. And so, there is also Arvaia,\Nthat is another group that the customer
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.00,0:29:52.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pay in advance. And have a place, and also\Nwork in fields, and take boxes every week.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.37,0:30:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there is also another project, that is\NCamilla and is based on... you are
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.21,0:30:13.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,associated and you have to work three\Nhours every month in a market. And there
Dialogue: 0,0:30:13.31,0:30:18.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is this market open for all the\Nassociation, all the people associated to
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.91,0:30:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these. So, it is a city that is\Nexperimented. But yes, for Campi Aperti,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:26.32,0:30:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you not pay in advance it. Only for, in\Nother projects.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:29.72,0:30:34.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mic2: Is it okay if I ask something else?\NHerald Angel: If it's... Well, I would
Dialogue: 0,0:30:34.41,0:30:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first take microphone number three. But if\Nyou just stay there, I feel like there
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.40,0:30:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be still time for another question.\NSo, microphone number three, please.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:40.92,0:30:48.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mic3: Yes. I have a question about\Nconsensus. You mentioned that some level
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.41,0:30:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of disagreement is not only acceptable,\Nbut maybe good, because if everyone
Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.08,0:31:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agrees, then there is no discussion,\Ndevelopment and less trust. But what level
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.50,0:31:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of disagreement is acceptable? Have you\Ntried different models, like how you
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.74,0:31:13.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,achieve this consensus?\NAndrea: Yeah, we think that disagreement
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.14,0:31:21.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is important to not hide problems. So\Nalso, we put attention to not to say at
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.95,0:31:29.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the end of a conversation we are all\Nagree, but for example, if someone of more
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.33,0:31:40.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doubt and we have a formal way of a\Nconsensus. So, to be sure that we are all
Dialogue: 0,0:31:40.10,0:31:47.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agree, we do an orientation, we call it,\Nand that means that you can divide the
Dialogue: 0,0:31:47.78,0:32:01.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,group in three position. Active consent,\Nconsensus with doubts but that you think
Dialogue: 0,0:32:01.94,0:32:08.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that trust is enough, so you are agree,\Nbut you will be not active to do this
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.10,0:32:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuff. And the active dissensus, that\Nmeans, that the decision that are you
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.32,0:32:24.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taking is against the principle and if you\Nput yourself in that position, you have to
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.17,0:32:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explain to all the others and you have to\Ndo again an orientation. But if you are
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.64,0:32:39.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than 20% of the people that stay in\Nactive dissent, you have to re-discuss
Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.90,0:32:46.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all. So, became block, blocked.\NHerald Angel: Great, thanks for the
Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.69,0:32:49.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explanation. That was very interesting.\NMicrophone number two, again.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:49.97,0:32:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mic2: Thank you for your talk. I wanted to\Nask whether you have any mechanism to help
Dialogue: 0,0:32:55.92,0:33:01.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people that want to become farmers,\Nespecially to acquire new land.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:01.29,0:33:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Andrea: Hmm. Existed a project and now is\Nnot the more active. We are sad, because
Dialogue: 0,0:33:08.32,0:33:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not more active and because this\Nproject started from people that had these
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.92,0:33:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,need. And after they found the land and\Nsay: ok, we have not more the time. And we
Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.88,0:33:36.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have, we not find again who put the time\Nin that project. And so, there is not a
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.70,0:33:46.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,real... process in which we help people to\Nbecame farmer. But, for example, the
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.71,0:33:52.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mailing list is open. Everyone that\Nparticipated to the market can be says can
Dialogue: 0,0:33:52.64,0:33:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,join the mailing list and also the\Nassembly and the meeting and so happen a
Dialogue: 0,0:33:57.38,0:34:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of time and that the people asked for\Nspace in countryside so find information.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:05.32,0:34:12.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the other stuff, that really change,\Nmake the change is, that a lot of people
Dialogue: 0,0:34:12.77,0:34:20.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come in Campi Aperti asking us to do\Ntransformation, to transform only the food
Dialogue: 0,0:34:20.89,0:34:27.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this fact is not acceptable in Campi\NAperti. The people are not can only
Dialogue: 0,0:34:27.09,0:34:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transformate the food. We are, we do\Npractice for be independent from
Dialogue: 0,0:34:32.53,0:34:43.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,capitalism for our food. And so you can't\Nask only to transforme. So they... we ask
Dialogue: 0,0:34:43.69,0:34:52.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to these people to start a project to grow\Nvegetables and became a farmer. And so...
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.94,0:35:02.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or started an active collaboration with a\Ngroup of farmer yet exist. And so in this
Dialogue: 0,0:35:02.69,0:35:06.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way started more people to live in\Ncountryside.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.87,0:35:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: Thank you very much. Next\Nup, we have a question from the Internet.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:10.87,0:35:18.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Signal Angel: You seem to have gone really\Nfar in doing a lot of things yourself. Do
Dialogue: 0,0:35:18.58,0:35:22.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you still rely on a lot of mainstream\Ntechnologies? Or did you re-implement
Dialogue: 0,0:35:22.82,0:35:25.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everything yourself?\NAndrea: Do you...?
Dialogue: 0,0:35:25.68,0:35:30.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: Is everything self-made? Or\Ndo you still rely on some mainstream
Dialogue: 0,0:35:30.91,0:35:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technologies? Is there something that you\Nuse, that is mainstream capitalist, that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.76,0:35:39.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everybody else uses too? Like, you\Nmentioned that you don't use Google or
Dialogue: 0,0:35:39.36,0:35:42.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook or something like that. Apart\Nfrom that, is that something mainstream
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.91,0:35:47.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you still use that you rely on?\NAndrea: Yeah. We are not monopolistic.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:47.92,0:35:59.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, we have the basic communication\Nindependant infrastructure, but yes, some
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.70,0:36:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of them are, we are not the direct running\NAutistici. We are based that on self-
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.52,0:36:13.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,managed servers. So, same community that\Nthe shared with us a political topic, but
Dialogue: 0,0:36:13.97,0:36:22.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in that way we are not running the\Nservice. We are not running the service.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:22.18,0:36:28.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To communicate that we use the Website and\Nthe mailing list, so we have our
Dialogue: 0,0:36:28.53,0:36:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,independent communication, but there is\Nnot... we not avoid people of us that use
Dialogue: 0,0:36:39.13,0:36:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also commercial instrument or commercial\Nsuch network. All this stuff is only that
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.73,0:36:54.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't trust that too much, that way of\Ncommunication will be really useful when
Dialogue: 0,0:36:54.86,0:36:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we need. Or...\NHerald Angel: All right. Another question
Dialogue: 0,0:36:59.06,0:37:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from microphone number two, please.\NMic2: Hi. Thank you for your presentation.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:02.97,0:37:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In your presentation, you mention dossier\Nwritten by farmers about the other
Dialogue: 0,0:37:10.12,0:37:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,farmers, and farmers visiting other\Nfarmers. I wanted to ask, these dossier,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:16.24,0:37:22.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what kind of information do they collect\Nand how are they used? I mean, what's the
Dialogue: 0,0:37:22.47,0:37:27.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,purpose of the dossier and what\Ninformation do they collect?
Dialogue: 0,0:37:27.67,0:37:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Andrea: Okay. Is the protocol of shared\Nwarranty. And so, a person that want enter
Dialogue: 0,0:37:40.97,0:37:51.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Campi Aperti from the website, can ask\Nto be visit and starter to fill a form and
Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.30,0:38:02.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fill dossier, these cards. And after,\Nthese cards go to the people, assembly of
Dialogue: 0,0:38:02.25,0:38:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that valley, the valley where this farmer\Ncome from and decide when do the visit. So
Dialogue: 0,0:38:10.62,0:38:19.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this visit is reported to the next\Nassembly. And who did the the visit say,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:19.21,0:38:28.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what this person wrote in the card is a\Ntrue or not true. And so, also here you
Dialogue: 0,0:38:28.55,0:38:39.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a, you have the weight of trust, of\Nthe whole much trust of the words of a
Dialogue: 0,0:38:39.18,0:38:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,person that asked to enter, and we\Nstore this card, this dossier and we
Dialogue: 0,0:38:48.56,0:38:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,print. We print and we put physically on\Nthe desk when people do the market.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:55.62,0:39:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it's really important that people\Nthat come to buy the stuff, know where and
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.56,0:39:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we want to go also to visit the\Nproducer. And also, because I told you
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.82,0:39:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the some of that organic stuff are\Norganic, but not that with the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:16.71,0:39:22.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certification by the state. And also a lot\Nof the stuff that are transformed are
Dialogue: 0,0:39:22.29,0:39:26.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inside of the campaign Genuino\NClandestino. That means that are
Dialogue: 0,0:39:26.44,0:39:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transformed, handmade, but the out of the\Nlaw. And so you need that, that people are
Dialogue: 0,0:39:33.48,0:39:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well-informed, who buy this stuff.\NMic2: Ok, so...
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.17,0:39:41.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald Angel: Sorry. Sorry. I'm very\Nsorry. But we don't have time for a back
Dialogue: 0,0:39:41.42,0:39:44.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up questions. Also, I'm very sorry, I\Nwould have loved to have the person who
Dialogue: 0,0:39:44.57,0:39:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ask the first question also have like,\Nasked the last question, but we ran out of
Dialogue: 0,0:39:47.88,0:39:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time. But I'm sure that you can still\Ncatch Andrea after the talk and ask
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.36,0:39:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whatever questions were not answered. So,\Nfirst of all, thanks for all of your very
Dialogue: 0,0:39:56.01,0:39:59.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting and clever questions and also\Nthank you very much, Andrea, for the great
Dialogue: 0,0:39:59.93,0:40:04.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presentation. Please give another big,\Nwarm round of applause for Andrea. Thank
Dialogue: 0,0:40:04.31,0:40:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you very much.\NAndrea: Thanks, see you.
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