0:00:00.000,0:00:17.420 35C3 Intro music 0:00:17.420,0:00:19.649 Herald:[br]Welcome to the next talk 0:00:19.649,0:00:22.689 "You Can Hack Everything - [br]Just Don't Get Caught". 0:00:22.689,0:00:24.590 Quick survey:[br]How many of you 0:00:24.590,0:00:26.710 have found a security loophole 0:00:26.710,0:00:27.940 and thought:[br]"Oh shit, if I tell someone 0:00:27.940,0:00:31.530 then I am in deep[br]that could cause problems?" 0:00:31.530,0:00:34.100 Put your hands up[br]Who does that apply to? 0:00:34.100,0:00:36.910 Interjection from the audience: Camera off[br]Laughter 0:00:36.910,0:00:40.489 Herald: Another question: How many of you [br]would like to find a security 0:00:40.489,0:00:45.100 loophole, hands up [br]Laughter 0:00:45.100,0:00:48.769 Alright, I hereby declare you all [br]concerned parties and this talk 0:00:48.769,0:00:52.830 relevant for you, because many hackers[br]are at some point in their career 0:00:52.830,0:00:57.249 confronted with this problem or [br]are in the situation where they 0:00:57.249,0:01:01.000 have found something or got into[br]something or ran into it 0:01:01.000,0:01:04.709 and know that if the people affected[br]in this archictecture that they are inside 0:01:04.709,0:01:08.540 get wind of it, then there will be trouble[br]it will really stir up discontent. 0:01:08.540,0:01:12.070 And this talk is about[br]which worst case scenarios could be 0:01:12.070,0:01:16.310 in store for you, how to deal with it and [br]best of all, how to not let yourself 0:01:16.310,0:01:20.350 get caught. And our speakers, [br]Linus Neumann und Thorsten Schröder, are 0:01:20.350,0:01:24.290 experts in IT security. You probably[br]know them from the PC-Wahl hack. 0:01:24.290,0:01:28.800 They found security vulnerabilities [br]in the Bundestag voting software, 0:01:28.800,0:01:32.261 it's a very recommendable episode. 0:01:32.261,0:01:35.101 Alright, I'm talking rubbish, [br]nevertheless I recommend the 0:01:35.121,0:01:37.080 logbuch-netzpolitik.org episode. 0:01:37.080,0:01:39.920 It's really worth a listen,[br]especially number 228 0:01:39.920,0:01:43.630 "Interessierte Bürger". Now give[br]a round of applause for Linus 0:01:43.630,0:01:50.360 Neumann und Thorsten Schröder, have fun[br]Applause 0:01:50.360,0:01:54.140 Linus Neumann: Thank you all[br]for being here. Thank you very much for 0:01:54.140,0:01:57.690 the warm welcome. I also liked how[br]a few of you have already done your 0:01:57.690,0:02:01.880 first OpSec fail and outed yourself[br]at the beginning. We have never 0:02:01.880,0:02:05.650 hacked anything, we have nothing[br]to do with it. Our short talk is about 0:02:05.650,0:02:10.630 the topic everyone is talking about,[br]hacking. We're seeing over the years that 0:02:10.630,0:02:15.690 many fine, young hackers are ending up[br]in prison and there are a lot of risks 0:02:15.690,0:02:20.441 that come with hacking as a sport[br]and spoil its enjoyment 0:02:20.441,0:02:24.290 for example something like house searches[br]broken down doors, high legal fees, 0:02:24.290,0:02:31.830 this doesn't have to be. It's worth maybe[br]thinking about how you can continue 0:02:31.830,0:02:39.760 as free agents. [br]Because we know that hackers are 0:02:39.760,0:02:43.900 free agents, like artists, that get up[br]in the morning and when they 0:02:43.900,0:02:48.960 are in the mood, they sit down [br]and paint their pictures. And we want 0:02:48.960,0:02:56.580 you to be able to paint a lot more [br]beautiful pictures. The key: OpSec 0:02:56.580,0:02:59.530 And that's what we want to [br]talk to you about today. 0:02:59.530,0:03:02.610 Opsec is actually[br]easy to summarise, 0:03:02.610,0:03:12.740 here by the way...[br]beautiful, beautiful... 0:03:12.740,0:03:14.480 beautiful teaching material again 0:03:14.480,0:03:24.099 from Russia, it seems to be on their minds[br]for some reason. Let's start with a 0:03:24.099,0:03:30.880 perfectly normal, the first computer worm:[br]Pride comes before a fall, 0:03:30.880,0:03:36.291 that is one of the most important [br]teachings in your operational security 0:03:36.291,0:03:41.630 Because showng off and cockiness[br]will get you into trouble. And we have 0:03:41.630,0:03:47.100 known this since computer worms have[br]existed. The first big computer worm 0:03:47.100,0:03:51.579 that became so international[br]and incapacitated half of the internet 0:03:51.579,0:03:56.879 was the Morris worm, [br]that exploited weak points in 0:03:56.879,0:04:02.629 Sendmail, Finger, Remote SH and a few[br]weak passwords, in order to 0:04:02.629,0:04:07.050 spread itself, so a computer worm.[br]This lead to the internet outage 0:04:07.050,0:04:12.840 of 1988. And you're probably asking[br]yourselves: Why is the worm called 0:04:12.840,0:04:21.440 the Morris worm? Well, because the [br]creator was very proud of his worm 0:04:21.440,0:04:26.120 and liked telling everybody how it worked.[br]At one point he was even 0:04:26.120,0:04:31.790 at Harvard University, standing on the[br]table, preaching about how his worm 0:04:31.790,0:04:36.320 worked in full detail.[br]It was also obvious that 0:04:36.320,0:04:40.639 the original infection started there,[br]he told everybody about it. 0:04:40.639,0:04:45.320 At one point someone told a journalist[br]and he had to admit it. He got the 0:04:45.320,0:04:49.630 worm to be named after him to this day.[br]But also he got 0:04:49.630,0:04:56.630 3 years probation, 400 hours social work[br]and a 10,000 dollar fine, without 0:04:56.630,0:05:01.930 his need for admiration, he could have[br]possibly been spared. But 0:05:01.930,0:05:05.250 not only hackers have a small problem[br]with operational security and 0:05:05.250,0:05:09.840 a need for admiration, but also[br]bank robbers. And here we have a 0:05:09.840,0:05:15.160 young man, who has robbed a bank.[br]And what do you do when you have 0:05:15.160,0:05:19.180 experienced something exciting, and raked[br]in a lot of money: a selfie of course. 0:05:19.180,0:05:25.920 Yeah. If that's not enough, you can also [br]take another selfie. 0:05:25.920,0:05:27.520 Laughter 0:05:27.520,0:05:36.880 Or the accomplice. And also food. And then[br]you quickly go to Instajail. And 0:05:36.880,0:05:41.610 you might think, that was a one off,[br]no, you think: OK, nobody can actually 0:05:41.610,0:05:46.250 be that stupid, but when you[br]look on the internet, you really don't 0:05:46.250,0:05:52.869 need long to find experts[br]posting pictures like this. And 0:05:52.869,0:05:56.470 it always ends the same way: Here is [br]the young man with, he must have 0:05:56.470,0:06:00.639 really awful teeth, they're already[br]all gold, they were convicted, 0:06:00.639,0:06:07.010 because they bragged about [br]having money on Facebook. 0:06:07.010,0:06:11.899 Now, if we look at the pioneers[br]of car hacking, we have in principle 0:06:11.899,0:06:18.190 the same phenomenon. It must be added[br]that the first ventures in car hacking 0:06:18.190,0:06:27.220 were more of an analogue nature[br]and more brute force. And the pioneers in 0:06:27.220,0:06:32.750 this area were also these two [br]young men, who managed a really big hack, 0:06:32.750,0:06:38.479 that is breaking in the windscreen.[br]stole 5,000 dollars and an ipad 0:06:38.479,0:06:44.171 from a truck.[br]And what is the first thing you do, when 0:06:44.171,0:06:49.810 you have an iPad: Well, first go to [br]Burger King, because they have WiFi. 0:06:51.494,0:06:55.640 And play around a bit with the iPad.[br]And then they noticed: Hey, awesome 0:06:55.640,0:06:59.909 you can make videos with this. 0:06:59.909,0:07:06.209 [Video is played] 0:07:06.209,0:07:18.900 ... This is my brother Dylan... This...[br]good night's hussle 0:07:18.900,0:07:24.639 L: And because they had connected [br]to the WiFi in Burger King with this 0:07:24.639,0:07:29.310 stolen iPad, that happened, [br]what had to happen... 0:07:29.310,0:07:33.950 Laughter 0:07:33.950,0:07:39.310 L: And the owner of the vehicle then 0:07:39.310,0:07:44.450 handed the video over to the police [br]and the police said, they're 0:07:44.450,0:07:48.021 actually already wanted.[br]And they took care of the young men. 0:07:48.021,0:07:52.780 Thorsten Schröder:[br]But let's get back 0:07:52.780,0:07:58.160 to the computer hacking corner, that[br]we actually wanted to talk about today, 0:07:58.160,0:08:02.210 now we have taken a short trip to [br]the analogue world. What could 0:08:02.210,0:08:09.319 go wrong if you, as[br]an interested surfer, played around 0:08:09.319,0:08:14.659 on online shopping portals.[br]Next you maybe want to 0:08:14.659,0:08:18.950 aquire some wares, then you start[br]clicking around in the online shop. 0:08:18.950,0:08:24.510 Suddenly you slip and click [br]the wrong thing, that happens sometimes, 0:08:24.510,0:08:28.760 you accidentally somehow[br]enter a wrong signal, 0:08:28.760,0:08:35.578 and what's important here is: We are[br]talking about a threat level for 0:08:35.578,0:08:39.840 the hacker,[br]so when you are on the online shopping 0:08:39.840,0:08:43.789 portal and there[br]your mouse accidentally slips, then 0:08:43.789,0:08:48.510 you have a certain threat scenario.[br]It of course increases if you have 0:08:48.510,0:08:51.700 actually entered some strange symbols 0:08:51.700,0:08:52.420 You're there 0:08:52.420,0:08:55.460 probably without an anonymisation service[br]because you wanted to 0:08:55.460,0:09:01.540 buy something. And now you think: Hmm,[br]I like playing and am 0:09:01.540,0:09:06.640 curious, I'll activate Tor or[br]something, and will visit this website 0:09:06.640,0:09:12.140 later with an anonymisation service.[br]And yes, over time 0:09:12.140,0:09:17.450 you might accidentally find [br]cross site scripting, the 0:09:17.450,0:09:22.680 threat level grows gradually, but[br]you've got Tor at the start. The 0:09:22.680,0:09:27.881 threat level continues to grow,[br]when perhaps you have found a 0:09:27.881,0:09:32.140 somewhat more critical weakness like[br]an SQL injection. And it continues to grow 0:09:32.140,0:09:37.850 when you have perhaps also found a[br]remote code execution, then 0:09:37.850,0:09:41.530 we're already pretty high. So if you [br]got caught now, it would be pretty 0:09:41.530,0:09:45.340 bad, because you've already proved[br]that you didn't directly go to the portal 0:09:45.340,0:09:49.310 after having found an xss exploit[br]or another trivial weak point 0:09:49.310,0:09:53.831 and told them about it.[br]Well, what happens then, when you 0:09:53.831,0:09:57.940 continue rummaging around. Depends[br]what you're looking for. Maybe you also 0:09:57.940,0:10:03.140 find a few credit cards. Now we're on[br]a really high threat level, 0:10:03.140,0:10:10.000 and it quickly sinks because[br]...it becomes more relaxed. 0:10:10.000,0:10:14.880 You don't need to be scared anymore[br]about ever getting caught again 0:10:14.880,0:10:20.550 for this hack. Yes, [br]why would anyone get caught there? 0:10:20.550,0:10:26.080 Because I thought of OpSec much too[br]late. At the moment where I 0:10:26.080,0:10:30.320 slipped with the mouse, I should have[br]basically already had an anonymisation 0:10:30.320,0:10:35.450 service, some kind of Tor service[br]or something, right at the start, 0:10:35.450,0:10:40.920 because at the moment where the [br]portal provider realises, that something 0:10:40.920,0:10:47.669 happened, they'll just look and see:[br]Alright, we'll follow this back, 0:10:47.669,0:10:51.320 it's a Tor session, bad, [br]but at some point they come across 0:10:51.320,0:10:56.380 this case where you said "oops". And then[br]they will find you. 0:10:57.700,0:11:01.990 L: It actually happens quite a lot that[br]people are like: 0:11:01.990,0:11:06.230 Oh, look, I found something[br]and now I'll go to Tor 0:11:06.230,0:11:10.650 No, guys, it's too late,[br]you have to do it beforehand. 0:11:10.650,0:11:14.640 T: Sorry, if you notice something[br]like that, you can of course 0:11:14.640,0:11:18.149 think about what the data protection[br]regulation looks like, then you can 0:11:18.149,0:11:22.450 look at what kind of data protection[br]guidelines they have, some companies 0:11:22.450,0:11:25.960 tell you how long they keep your [br]logfiles 0:11:25.960,0:11:28.110 0:11:28.110,0:11:30.750 0:11:30.750,0:11:34.010 0:11:34.010,0:11:36.760 0:11:36.760,0:11:42.700 0:11:42.700,0:11:47.599 0:11:47.599,0:11:51.540 0:11:51.540,0:11:57.600 0:11:57.600,0:12:01.829 0:12:01.829,0:12:05.720 0:12:05.720,0:12:11.960 0:12:11.960,0:12:15.830 0:12:15.830,0:12:19.760 0:12:19.760,0:12:23.030 0:12:23.030,0:12:26.490 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