WEBVTT 00:00:11.083 --> 00:00:13.250 There are going to be big programs. 00:00:13.333 --> 00:00:15.708 The 2nd of January here in Denmark. 00:00:15.791 --> 00:00:18.625 I thought they were doing a documentary about The Last Reformation, 00:00:18.708 --> 00:00:22.166 but they've done a documentary where they talk about other ministries 00:00:22.500 --> 00:00:24.500 that have gone really wrong in Denmark. 00:00:24.791 --> 00:00:29.166 We will go to America and we will be there more. 00:00:29.333 --> 00:00:34.291 We actually be five months in America next year. All in all. 00:00:37.666 --> 00:00:40.541 I really enjoyed your last video. 00:00:41.250 --> 00:00:43.708 I'm happy to hear you're going to the United States. 00:00:43.875 --> 00:00:47.666 There I will be able to really take care of you 00:00:47.958 --> 00:00:49.916 and your ugly cult. 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:52.416 You destroyed Alice's life. 00:00:52.916 --> 00:00:54.500 You are a sick person. 00:00:54.583 --> 00:00:58.000 And I warned you I will take care of your cult. 00:00:58.416 --> 00:01:00.875 As long as Alice won't be able to get back to her therapy 00:01:00.958 --> 00:01:04.750 and live a normal life, I will be on your back. 00:01:06.625 --> 00:01:10.250 Previously on our series, we have revealed compelling evidence 00:01:10.333 --> 00:01:16.166 that the TV program God's Best Children was not an honest portrayal of Torben 00:01:16.250 --> 00:01:17.208 and his ministry. 00:01:17.291 --> 00:01:20.750 It was rather a calculated attempt to discredit him. 00:01:21.375 --> 00:01:24.750 The goal is to bring Torben and his ministry down. 00:01:25.375 --> 00:01:28.291 They tried to get what they wanted through politics 00:01:28.375 --> 00:01:32.166 by proposing new laws that were tailor made to target Torben. 00:01:32.958 --> 00:01:36.916 Many of you have probably followed the documentary God's Best Children. 00:01:37.166 --> 00:01:40.500 And seeing how a preacher commits demonic exorcisms in front 00:01:40.583 --> 00:01:42.583 of shaking and crying children. 00:01:43.375 --> 00:01:46.416 We agree with children's condition that this kind of behavior 00:01:46.791 --> 00:01:49.250 can be described as psychological abuse. 00:01:50.875 --> 00:01:54.875 They also twisted the truth by misusing existing laws. 00:01:55.208 --> 00:01:57.541 We have asked a number of health commissioners 00:01:57.625 --> 00:02:00.958 to watch TV2's hidden recording of Torben Sondergaard. 00:02:01.041 --> 00:02:02.125 It's simply quackery. 00:02:02.208 --> 00:02:04.666 It is deeply, deeply worrying. 00:02:05.083 --> 00:02:09.125 Another tactic used was linking Torben with convicted criminals, 00:02:09.208 --> 00:02:12.500 which caused public outrage against him across the country. 00:02:12.875 --> 00:02:16.833 This man is downright dangerous and what he practises should be illegal. 00:02:17.125 --> 00:02:21.708 In an attempt to discredit him further, they offered him a large sum of money, 00:02:21.791 --> 00:02:23.791 hoping to trap him financially. 00:02:24.916 --> 00:02:30.208 Torben Sondergaard, a pastor from Denmark, is being detained in Florida 00:02:30.291 --> 00:02:32.291 without any formal charges. 00:02:33.041 --> 00:02:36.416 With this video series, we want to make you aware of his case 00:02:37.125 --> 00:02:40.291 and we will show you evidence that there is a fight going on, 00:02:40.500 --> 00:02:43.125 a fight over the gospel of Jesus Christ. 00:02:43.750 --> 00:02:47.750 It is an incredible story where things are not always what they seem. 00:02:47.833 --> 00:02:54.500 In this 00:02:55.416 --> 00:02:59.750 episode, we will show you that Torben is actually being persecuted 00:02:59.833 --> 00:03:01.958 for his faith in Jesus Christ. 00:03:02.750 --> 00:03:06.875 To be persecuted means to harass or punish in a manner 00:03:06.958 --> 00:03:09.791 designed to injure, grieve or afflict. 00:03:10.583 --> 00:03:14.333 Jesus said a servant is not greater than his master. 00:03:14.708 --> 00:03:18.416 If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. 00:03:19.250 --> 00:03:22.875 Paul is saying in one of his letters, Everyone who wants to live 00:03:22.958 --> 00:03:26.833 a godly life in Christ, Jesus will be persecuted. 00:03:27.583 --> 00:03:30.166 Should we be surprised when this happens? 00:03:30.833 --> 00:03:32.250 Peter answers. 00:03:32.333 --> 00:03:36.916 Do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you 00:03:37.041 --> 00:03:39.666 as though something strange were happening to you. 00:03:41.166 --> 00:03:44.916 When we follow Jesus Christ and want to live a godly life, 00:03:45.125 --> 00:03:46.333 we will get trouble. 00:03:46.416 --> 00:03:47.333 It's a promise. 00:03:47.416 --> 00:03:49.666 But the things that are happening to Torben 00:03:50.041 --> 00:03:52.833 is that actually Christian persecution? 00:03:53.250 --> 00:03:58.250 Or is it merely that he made mistakes and he has to face the consequences? 00:03:58.583 --> 00:04:01.375 To answer these questions, let's first look 00:04:01.458 --> 00:04:03.458 at how Jesus was persecuted. 00:04:04.166 --> 00:04:08.750 Jesus went around doing good, but he also offended many people. 00:04:08.916 --> 00:04:12.041 He hurt the religious leaders in their pride, 00:04:12.375 --> 00:04:15.833 and they gradually became more and more agitated with Jesus 00:04:15.916 --> 00:04:17.958 and ultimately wanted to kill him. 00:04:18.541 --> 00:04:23.208 Jesus had many followers, but he had an inner circle of 12 people. 00:04:23.625 --> 00:04:27.041 However, one of these 12 turned against him. 00:04:27.708 --> 00:04:30.875 The reasons for this could have been greed, disappointment, 00:04:31.333 --> 00:04:32.958 or even pride as it's written. 00:04:32.958 --> 00:04:33.916 or even pride as it's written. 00:04:34.041 --> 00:04:38.583 Satan entered into him and he became an instrument of the enemy 00:04:38.791 --> 00:04:40.750 to destroy Jesus. 00:04:40.833 --> 00:04:44.500 After Judas handed Jesus over to the religious leaders, 00:04:44.666 --> 00:04:47.125 these leaders took him to the authorities. 00:04:47.625 --> 00:04:49.833 By applying pressure, the religious leaders 00:04:49.916 --> 00:04:53.208 convinced the authorities to make an unjust decision. 00:04:53.625 --> 00:04:57.500 To maintain peace, they decided to execute Jesus. 00:04:58.333 --> 00:05:02.541 But it's important to see that it's Satan who is working out his plans. 00:05:03.791 --> 00:05:08.166 The battle is not against the government or against these religious leaders. 00:05:08.291 --> 00:05:10.291 The battle is spiritual. 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.875 In Ephesus, it is written: 'for our struggle 00:05:13.958 --> 00:05:17.708 is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, 00:05:17.875 --> 00:05:21.750 against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world 00:05:21.875 --> 00:05:25.916 and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.' 00:05:26.916 --> 00:05:28.583 Now, you may say, wait a minute. 00:05:28.666 --> 00:05:31.125 How can you compare Torben to Jesus? 00:05:31.458 --> 00:05:33.291 Torben was not persecuted. 00:05:33.375 --> 00:05:37.125 He was simply portrayed in a negative way in a TV program. 00:05:37.333 --> 00:05:39.208 Was that not his own fault? 00:05:39.291 --> 00:05:42.125 Shouldn't he have been more cautious and not collaborated 00:05:42.208 --> 00:05:44.000 with that production company? 00:05:44.083 --> 00:05:46.791 Well, there's more to the story that you need to know 00:05:46.875 --> 00:05:48.916 to fully understand the situation. 00:05:49.375 --> 00:05:52.125 We need to take you back to 2016. 00:05:52.208 --> 00:05:56.500 That was the year when Torben's ministry released a powerful film 00:05:56.583 --> 00:05:59.333 called The Last Reformation: The beginning. 00:05:59.416 --> 00:06:03.500 I was tired of looking for answers and I could not find it anywhere. 00:06:03.583 --> 00:06:06.625 This film gained significant worldwide attention 00:06:06.750 --> 00:06:09.833 and inspired numerous people to follow Jesus. 00:06:17.541 --> 00:06:21.791 However, it was also the year when a fierce battle began. 00:06:22.333 --> 00:06:25.333 The forces of darkness began to fight back. 00:06:25.750 --> 00:06:27.958 So how did this battle unfold? 00:06:28.750 --> 00:06:31.083 We need to introduce you to two individuals 00:06:31.166 --> 00:06:34.791 who have been relentlessly attacking Torben since 2016, 00:06:35.125 --> 00:06:37.708 and their campaign continues to this day. 00:06:37.833 --> 00:06:41.375 They've been operating anonymously all these years. 00:06:41.625 --> 00:06:46.250 They discredited Torben and his ministry while remaining hidden from public view. 00:06:46.750 --> 00:06:49.916 But their false narrative has been spread everywhere 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:52.083 through the mouths of other people. 00:06:52.500 --> 00:06:56.166 The first of these individuals is a citizen of Denmark 00:06:56.291 --> 00:06:59.708 and a former friend of Torben who had an important position 00:06:59.791 --> 00:07:01.375 in his ministry. 00:07:01.458 --> 00:07:03.666 We won't use his real name here 00:07:03.750 --> 00:07:07.583 because we're not out for revenge or to damage anyone's reputation. 00:07:07.708 --> 00:07:10.000 Let's call him Thomas. 00:07:11.125 --> 00:07:14.083 I came to Denmark in 2015 together with my family. 00:07:14.875 --> 00:07:17.166 We lived there for over a year. 00:07:17.666 --> 00:07:21.583 We worked with Torben at that time in his organization, 00:07:21.666 --> 00:07:24.250 and we also met this man. 00:07:24.458 --> 00:07:27.041 He was a very good listener, and he was someone 00:07:27.125 --> 00:07:30.083 who pulled a lot of information from people. 00:07:30.166 --> 00:07:34.875 Very charismatic, but someone who just managed to come 00:07:34.958 --> 00:07:38.041 alongside just about anybody and get them talking 00:07:38.291 --> 00:07:43.125 and seemed to be somebody that was really nice, 00:07:43.458 --> 00:07:45.458 seemed very interested in people. 00:07:46.416 --> 00:07:49.583 And my first instinct was to really like him. 00:07:50.583 --> 00:07:53.000 And I felt sorry for him when he told me some 00:07:53.083 --> 00:07:54.416 of the stories of his life. 00:07:54.500 --> 00:07:59.041 And um, yeah, we became friends, I guess. 00:07:59.125 --> 00:08:02.000 I met him and I connected very good with him. 00:08:02.083 --> 00:08:04.250 I actually became good friends with him. 00:08:04.375 --> 00:08:06.375 And I remember. 00:08:06.791 --> 00:08:10.375 Uh, getting really close to him. 00:08:11.083 --> 00:08:12.625 I liked to work with this man. 00:08:12.708 --> 00:08:14.125 We had good times together. 00:08:14.208 --> 00:08:16.458 I had good I have good memories of him. 00:08:16.583 --> 00:08:20.583 In the beginning he was actually a really nice person. 00:08:21.166 --> 00:08:26.000 In that way, he was really involved by helping a lot, where he helped Torben. 00:08:26.083 --> 00:08:29.041 He helped other people, including helping me. 00:08:29.208 --> 00:08:36.208 He's a very intelligent person and someone that if he's working for somebody 00:08:36.625 --> 00:08:39.291 would be an amazing ally. 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:44.083 Really very clever and one step ahead of everybody. 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:48.583 And if he wants to achieve something or get something done, he would. 00:08:49.583 --> 00:08:51.708 He was a very likeable person. 00:08:51.708 --> 00:08:54.041 He was funny. He was very intelligent. 00:08:54.041 --> 00:08:55.541 He had multiple talents. 00:08:55.541 --> 00:08:58.500 He was good in basically everything you would ask him to do, 00:08:58.583 --> 00:09:00.583 he would do it. 00:09:03.041 --> 00:09:09.333 Extremely intelligent, um, and, uh, shrewd. 00:09:09.875 --> 00:09:12.916 Very shrewd, very shrewd, very intelligent. 00:09:13.041 --> 00:09:16.125 I believe that when he came at first, he was very sincere. 00:09:16.750 --> 00:09:18.083 He was very sincere with everything. 00:09:18.166 --> 00:09:20.666 He loved what was going on at TLR. 00:09:20.750 --> 00:09:23.041 He loved the way God was moving. 00:09:23.666 --> 00:09:25.250 I believe God was touching him as well. 00:09:25.333 --> 00:09:31.333 And you could see that he was changing and he would go out on the street, 00:09:31.416 --> 00:09:33.708 you know, join the kickstarts and everything. 00:09:33.791 --> 00:09:35.791 And it was amazing with him. 00:09:35.875 --> 00:09:41.500 But however, after I think around a year, um, things started to change with him. 00:09:41.625 --> 00:09:45.541 But there was another side of him or another character of him, 00:09:45.625 --> 00:09:50.708 which I did not see in the beginning, but I saw later on that he was also very, 00:09:50.791 --> 00:09:53.041 very a manipulative person. 00:09:53.958 --> 00:09:58.208 And because he was very manipulative where he was really... he was actually 00:09:58.291 --> 00:10:02.041 really good at manipulate people and manipulate situations. 00:10:02.583 --> 00:10:07.250 And for that reason, he really gained very quickly high position 00:10:07.333 --> 00:10:11.166 at that place at Jesus Hotel where he almost somehow... 00:10:11.250 --> 00:10:16.291 you can say he became like the right hand of Torben at that time. 00:10:16.875 --> 00:10:20.166 Torben really liked him and trusted him. 00:10:20.541 --> 00:10:27.208 So he gave him positions and access to basically everything at TLR. 00:10:27.750 --> 00:10:30.250 Some of those people he was not happy about, 00:10:30.333 --> 00:10:32.958 he often went to Torben and behind their back 00:10:33.041 --> 00:10:38.375 where he somehow started to gossip and he tried to manipulate 00:10:38.458 --> 00:10:44.541 about them to Torben that they are... 00:10:44.625 --> 00:10:48.375 they have a problem or they need to be sent home and all this kind 00:10:48.458 --> 00:10:52.666 of stuff. And because of this he often succeed 00:10:53.541 --> 00:10:57.375 that some of those co-workers were being sent home because of him. 00:10:57.583 --> 00:11:02.458 I would say it's not normal behavior to manipulate so many layers deep. 00:11:03.666 --> 00:11:08.500 And it does make that person very powerful in what he's able to achieve 00:11:08.583 --> 00:11:10.583 if he wants to tear somebody down. 00:11:10.916 --> 00:11:14.125 And I did witness some people being torn down. 00:11:14.625 --> 00:11:19.000 But it's very hard when you're in it sometimes to see it. 00:11:19.083 --> 00:11:22.500 He'd expressed it, he'd it said that he was actually jealous 00:11:22.583 --> 00:11:24.875 of anybody that got close to Torben. 00:11:25.750 --> 00:11:28.666 And so he would remove people who got close 00:11:29.041 --> 00:11:32.000 or manipulate them either one way or the other. 00:11:32.166 --> 00:11:37.333 He would often complain that he have done... he did a lot, 00:11:37.416 --> 00:11:39.750 but he didn't get enough credit for what he did. 00:11:40.500 --> 00:11:43.375 And that was basically because, I mean, Torben 00:11:43.458 --> 00:11:48.916 was the main guy on the videos and Torben was the one also preaching 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:53.625 when there was a kick start and this guy was more behind the scene. 00:11:53.833 --> 00:11:57.000 So he pulled me aside one evening. 00:11:57.083 --> 00:12:02.500 He felt like there was not enough of credit given to him, 00:12:02.958 --> 00:12:06.541 aid given to him like a place to live, a nice place to live. 00:12:06.916 --> 00:12:13.125 He was bitter and angry and complaining a lot because of that. 00:12:13.666 --> 00:12:17.041 At some point, this man really started to work against Torben. 00:12:17.541 --> 00:12:21.291 He started to talk really bad about him, but at the same time, 00:12:21.375 --> 00:12:23.125 he showed the Torben a really nice face. 00:12:23.208 --> 00:12:24.375 So Torben had no idea. 00:12:24.458 --> 00:12:28.208 He thought this was my best friend, someone who's helping me a lot. 00:12:28.541 --> 00:12:31.208 But to other people, he would say things like, 00:12:31.291 --> 00:12:35.625 Torben hurt me a lot, and he started to try 00:12:35.708 --> 00:12:38.791 and convince other people how bad Torben actually is. 00:12:39.291 --> 00:12:42.291 And he would actually manipulate the situation in such way 00:12:42.416 --> 00:12:45.750 that Torben was at one point removed from his own organization. 00:12:45.833 --> 00:12:48.916 It was almost like he wanted me to hate Torben as well. 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:52.125 It was almost like he wanted me to turn my back on Torben 00:12:52.208 --> 00:12:54.250 as well and join his side. 00:12:54.416 --> 00:12:57.875 And I found out later on that he would do the same to other people, 00:12:57.958 --> 00:13:01.291 that he will also talk to them bad about Torben. 00:13:01.583 --> 00:13:06.708 And then as soon as Torben would come in or enter into the room, he changed. 00:13:06.791 --> 00:13:10.333 And he was suddenly, I mean, very sweet. 00:13:10.958 --> 00:13:13.958 So at some point, Torben found out that this man 00:13:14.041 --> 00:13:18.333 was actually causing a lot of problems, and he decided to remove him 00:13:18.416 --> 00:13:19.333 from the organization. 00:13:19.416 --> 00:13:23.333 I got a call from a friend, he said: Hey, if Torben is going to fire this man, 00:13:23.666 --> 00:13:25.625 please make sure to change all your passwords 00:13:25.708 --> 00:13:27.708 because he will take revenge. 00:13:27.833 --> 00:13:28.583 And I was like, Nah... 00:13:28.666 --> 00:13:32.791 I couldn't believe it because I was like, it would not be this bad. 00:13:32.875 --> 00:13:35.791 I thought I knew this man quite a bit, but he said: No, 00:13:35.958 --> 00:13:37.333 it's really bad with this man. 00:13:37.416 --> 00:13:39.208 You have to do this. 00:13:39.291 --> 00:13:41.083 So I was okay, if you say so. 00:13:41.166 --> 00:13:44.416 And actually I didn't believe it, but I changed a lot of passwords, 00:13:45.666 --> 00:13:47.666 but I didn't take it so seriously. 00:13:48.500 --> 00:13:51.250 A few months later, I found out that actually I forgot 00:13:51.333 --> 00:13:53.666 to change some passwords and some really important ones. 00:13:53.750 --> 00:13:58.416 So someone logged in into our systems and basically deleted everything 00:13:59.041 --> 00:14:00.958 they could find to destroy, to delete. 00:14:01.041 --> 00:14:05.083 So, that day we lost all our websites, we lost a lot of domain names 00:14:05.916 --> 00:14:09.208 in different accounts, and it was a big disaster. 00:14:09.708 --> 00:14:13.666 I think there was more than a year of work completely destroyed. 00:14:13.750 --> 00:14:16.416 And for me personally, it was like, how can someone be so evil? 00:14:16.500 --> 00:14:21.250 Because I spent so much time myself already in all this, these things, 00:14:21.375 --> 00:14:24.541 and just deleting everything and destroying everything, 00:14:24.625 --> 00:14:28.125 including the backups, because the backups were also included in this system. 00:14:28.208 --> 00:14:30.833 Of course I cannot prove that it was this man, 00:14:31.375 --> 00:14:33.750 but I know one thing that I was warned beforehand 00:14:33.833 --> 00:14:36.791 to change all the passwords because he would take revenge 00:14:36.916 --> 00:14:38.583 and then later this happens. 00:14:38.666 --> 00:14:42.250 It's a funny thing that sometimes our strengths 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:45.041 can become our weaknesses spiritually. 00:14:45.166 --> 00:14:48.250 You know, the the thing that we have a really strong calling 00:14:48.333 --> 00:14:54.375 can also be if it's turned inward rather than toward God, 00:14:54.458 --> 00:14:58.416 if it's turned inward, it can become something very destructive 00:14:58.791 --> 00:15:04.125 because we've got a lot of perhaps skill or talent that's been given 00:15:04.208 --> 00:15:05.708 in those areas. 00:15:05.791 --> 00:15:10.083 So I see that with this gentleman, it's a very sad thing 00:15:10.166 --> 00:15:13.333 because he is somebody who wanted desperately 00:15:13.416 --> 00:15:18.708 to amount to something big in the Kingdom and instead of that, 00:15:18.791 --> 00:15:24.000 has found himself involved in something really bitter and quite twisted. 00:15:24.125 --> 00:15:25.583 And that's sad. 00:15:25.666 --> 00:15:27.166 That's a terrible thing. 00:15:27.250 --> 00:15:30.375 And I think that's also why God allows things to happen 00:15:30.458 --> 00:15:33.125 as long as He does, because He loves us. 00:15:33.375 --> 00:15:37.208 He loves us dearly, He loves our enemies as much as He loves us. 00:15:37.750 --> 00:15:40.708 I've still you know, I still care a lot for this guy. 00:15:41.291 --> 00:15:43.916 I pray for him, and I hope that he will turn to God. 00:15:44.708 --> 00:15:46.708 So that's my hope. 00:15:52.375 --> 00:15:54.833 But something else happened that same year. 00:15:56.583 --> 00:16:00.458 A lady we will call Alice comes to faith in Jesus Christ. 00:16:00.541 --> 00:16:01.791 She has a friend. 00:16:01.875 --> 00:16:03.875 Let's name him Gabriel. 00:16:04.291 --> 00:16:07.625 Gabriel is a businessman of French nationality. 00:16:08.333 --> 00:16:11.833 When he hears that Alice is going to one of Torben's schools, 00:16:11.958 --> 00:16:14.916 he doesn't like it because he doesn't believe in God 00:16:15.166 --> 00:16:17.166 and hates Christianity. 00:16:17.541 --> 00:16:21.125 On top of that, Alice decides to break up with Gabriel 00:16:21.208 --> 00:16:23.208 because the relationship is not good. 00:16:23.291 --> 00:16:27.958 We called a friend of Alice, who was with her during Torben’s Bible School. 00:16:28.250 --> 00:16:33.291 I remember that this guy, he was actually married with another woman 00:16:33.375 --> 00:16:38.791 and that my friend was with him over a couple of years 00:16:39.333 --> 00:16:43.208 and which means they were having an affair. 00:16:43.291 --> 00:16:45.541 From that moment on, he stalks her. 00:16:47.708 --> 00:16:52.125 So this guy, he thought that she has gone into a sect 00:16:52.416 --> 00:16:58.291 and he was kind of searching everything, what he could from the ministry. 00:16:58.541 --> 00:17:03.041 And he was very much against this because he kind of lost her 00:17:03.125 --> 00:17:04.958 because of her faith in Jesus. 00:17:05.041 --> 00:17:09.458 And he wanted kind of to take her out of this, uh, 00:17:09.541 --> 00:17:12.208 and so that he could have her back. 00:17:12.291 --> 00:17:16.458 What I understand is that he became someone 00:17:16.541 --> 00:17:22.541 that would persecute the whole, uh, ministry with everything he could. 00:17:22.625 --> 00:17:24.458 He was very much against it. 00:17:24.541 --> 00:17:26.875 The staff and fellow students of that school 00:17:26.958 --> 00:17:30.500 received friend requests through Facebook from a Christian lady 00:17:30.583 --> 00:17:33.208 with the name of Olivia Tennenbaum. 00:17:33.500 --> 00:17:37.750 The account spread false information about Torben and his ministry 00:17:37.958 --> 00:17:41.791 and repeatedly used the word 'cult' to address the ministry. 00:17:42.500 --> 00:17:44.500 But no one seemed to know her. 00:17:44.666 --> 00:17:48.125 It became clear to Alice that this Olivia Tennenbaum 00:17:48.208 --> 00:17:51.625 is actually her ex-boyfriend spreading this information. 00:17:54.708 --> 00:18:01.000 Yeah, I remember some of the profiles that, uh, all of a sudden was friend 00:18:01.083 --> 00:18:04.208 with everyone that we knew, the things that were shared 00:18:04.291 --> 00:18:06.708 on the profile, it was very much against Torben. 00:18:07.125 --> 00:18:09.125 So much hate, so much bashing. 00:18:10.458 --> 00:18:13.791 We asked Alice if she wanted to cooperate with this episode, 00:18:13.958 --> 00:18:17.833 but she declined because she is afraid of what this man would do to her. 00:18:18.166 --> 00:18:21.666 It has now been seven years since she ended the relationship 00:18:21.750 --> 00:18:24.083 and this man is still stalking her. 00:18:24.666 --> 00:18:28.666 She describes this man as rich, influential and even 00:18:28.750 --> 00:18:31.000 with contacts in the US government. 00:18:31.291 --> 00:18:34.625 He also threatened her to not go public with her story 00:18:34.750 --> 00:18:36.750 and not to mention his name. 00:18:37.041 --> 00:18:40.583 He is the one who wrote the email we quoted at the beginning 00:18:40.666 --> 00:18:42.208 of this episode. 00:18:42.291 --> 00:18:44.958 I'm happy to hear you are going to the US. 00:18:45.208 --> 00:18:48.583 There I will be able to really take care of you 00:18:48.666 --> 00:18:50.666 and your ugly cult. 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:55.000 Also several other people we ask to tell their story 00:18:55.083 --> 00:18:56.791 for this episode said no. 00:18:56.875 --> 00:19:01.541 They said: this man is dangerous and I don't want him to come after me 00:19:01.625 --> 00:19:03.625 and my family. 00:19:04.333 --> 00:19:07.958 He also wrote to other people involved in Torben's ministry. 00:19:08.833 --> 00:19:12.833 Yes. I also received a message from this man back in 2020 00:19:13.208 --> 00:19:16.875 when on the TV in my home country in the Netherlands, 00:19:17.208 --> 00:19:20.500 there was a program that was very similar to the program in Denmark, 00:19:21.125 --> 00:19:22.458 The program is basically the same. 00:19:22.541 --> 00:19:24.041 It has Torben, it has the child abuse. 00:19:24.125 --> 00:19:26.166 All these lies are also in there. 00:19:26.291 --> 00:19:29.541 And after the program, I receive an email from this man 00:19:29.916 --> 00:19:33.291 who is hiding behind a fake account, Laura Palmare, 00:19:33.666 --> 00:19:37.541 and he writes: Once I told you I'm not the kind of guy 00:19:37.625 --> 00:19:41.208 you are used to deal with, and he ends with more to come. 00:19:41.291 --> 00:19:42.875 Get your suitcases ready. 00:19:42.958 --> 00:19:46.125 Always making sure to not mention his name. 00:19:46.208 --> 00:19:48.208 I forgot one last thing. 00:19:48.375 --> 00:19:52.000 Don't you ever mention my name on any social media? 00:19:52.166 --> 00:19:53.083 I will know it. 00:19:53.166 --> 00:19:56.291 And I promise you that you will have serious reason 00:19:56.541 --> 00:19:57.916 to fear my wrath. 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:00.291 Obviously, Alice didn't tell you everything 00:20:00.666 --> 00:20:02.125 about who I really am. 00:20:02.208 --> 00:20:04.250 Don't try to learn it the hard way. 00:20:04.333 --> 00:20:07.166 You would regret it deeply. Am I clear? 00:20:13.583 --> 00:20:19.583 Somewhere in 2016, Gabriel and Thomas found each other and joined forces. 00:20:19.750 --> 00:20:24.416 Several other fake social media accounts appeared. Their sole purpose 00:20:24.500 --> 00:20:28.458 was to spread defamatory information about Torben and his ministry. 00:20:28.708 --> 00:20:32.791 They created a narrative where Torben's ministry was a 'cult' 00:20:33.166 --> 00:20:36.166 and Torben was the 'dangerous cult leader'. 00:20:38.166 --> 00:20:41.708 Besides the fake profiles, anonymous reports were sent 00:20:41.791 --> 00:20:44.666 to various government organizations in Denmark. 00:20:44.916 --> 00:20:49.083 The fire department got an anonymous call that there was a fire hazard. 00:20:49.541 --> 00:20:51.708 They checked and everything was fine. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:54.000 The food control came. 00:20:54.208 --> 00:20:57.166 They got a report that the kitchen at the Bible school facility 00:20:57.250 --> 00:20:59.250 was dirty and there were rats. 00:20:59.333 --> 00:21:01.875 They checked and everything was fine. 00:21:02.916 --> 00:21:05.791 The Workers Association got a report that there were people 00:21:05.875 --> 00:21:09.083 working at the ministry that were not authorized to work. 00:21:09.375 --> 00:21:12.208 They checked and everything was okay. 00:21:12.541 --> 00:21:16.208 The tax agency was told that the ministry was evading taxes 00:21:16.291 --> 00:21:19.125 and they requested the books for the last two years. 00:21:19.291 --> 00:21:21.041 Everything turned out fine. 00:21:21.125 --> 00:21:26.208 A Wikipedia page was also created with defamatory information about Torben. 00:21:26.625 --> 00:21:30.291 Wikipedia moderators decided that the page needed to be removed. 00:21:33.250 --> 00:21:36.083 When Torben was doing a kickstart in France, 00:21:36.166 --> 00:21:37.458 the police showed up. 00:21:37.541 --> 00:21:39.958 They had received reports that Torben's ministry 00:21:40.041 --> 00:21:43.416 was a dangerous cult and were investigating the matter. 00:21:44.500 --> 00:21:48.083 People got baptized, set free, received the Holy Spirit, so beautiful. 00:21:48.250 --> 00:21:50.375 And in the middle of the most beautiful thing, 00:21:50.458 --> 00:21:53.458 the police come, three policemen standing outside 00:21:53.875 --> 00:21:55.041 and want to close us down. 00:21:55.125 --> 00:21:58.041 And they say something with the building and the man who owns the building. 00:21:58.125 --> 00:21:59.916 But we know it's just an attack. 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:01.500 And what to do now? 00:22:01.583 --> 00:22:03.166 We have no idea. 00:22:03.250 --> 00:22:06.166 800 people. We have no idea. 00:22:06.250 --> 00:22:09.583 After we showed them all the paperwork and they saw all the people, 00:22:10.166 --> 00:22:11.250 they never came again. 00:22:11.333 --> 00:22:14.500 And we were able to move on with the Kickstart with no problems. 00:22:14.583 --> 00:22:18.250 It didn't stop there because as soon as we went to the airport 00:22:18.333 --> 00:22:24.458 to fly back to Denmark, the police came to check all our bags suddenly again, 00:22:24.541 --> 00:22:27.250 and they took us all into a special room. 00:22:28.166 --> 00:22:31.541 It was very strange and they went through all our bags, 00:22:31.958 --> 00:22:34.583 all our stuff and just opened and took stuff out. 00:22:35.291 --> 00:22:38.208 And we just had no idea of what was going on. 00:22:38.291 --> 00:22:42.000 And then apparently they told us that they got a report for someone 00:22:42.500 --> 00:22:45.291 that we had a lot of money, a lot of cash in our bags. 00:22:46.291 --> 00:22:47.458 And it was just strange. 00:22:47.541 --> 00:22:48.666 Very, very strange. 00:22:48.750 --> 00:22:51.083 And of course, we didn't have anything, so they didn't found it. 00:22:51.166 --> 00:22:53.166 And then in the end, they let us go. 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:59.000 But it was just... we started to become very curious about who this person was 00:22:59.083 --> 00:23:02.875 because it was like it kept coming again and again and again 00:23:03.250 --> 00:23:06.583 that someone would call in to the police and ask them 00:23:06.958 --> 00:23:10.041 to check us and to go through us because we were 'dangerous'. 00:23:10.125 --> 00:23:16.708 And yeah. But anyway, I mean, Torben never really wasted too much time on it. 00:23:16.791 --> 00:23:18.208 He was just so focused on the gospel. 00:23:18.291 --> 00:23:19.541 So he moved on. 00:23:19.625 --> 00:23:24.875 Month of April, I actually did a kickstart in Switzerland in a city called Lausanne. 00:23:25.791 --> 00:23:29.583 During that time, for what I remember, I was excited 00:23:29.666 --> 00:23:32.333 and we were preparing to start with the Kickstart. 00:23:32.583 --> 00:23:35.750 One of my friends, she actually came to me and she actually told me 00:23:35.833 --> 00:23:40.500 in a surprising way that there are police who are outside of the building. 00:23:40.791 --> 00:23:44.958 They had a document and someone had made a big complaint 00:23:45.083 --> 00:23:48.666 about Torben Sondergaard, about The Last Reformation, 00:23:48.791 --> 00:23:52.833 that we were a sect, something to do 00:23:53.208 --> 00:23:53.458 . 00:23:53.541 --> 00:23:55.416 Autistic and hypnosis. 00:23:55.500 --> 00:23:56.333 Hypnosis, a whole. 00:23:56.416 --> 00:23:56.958 Lot of things. 00:23:57.041 --> 00:23:58.708 And we are dangerous. It was from. 00:23:58.791 --> 00:24:00.541 Some place near Geneva. 00:24:00.625 --> 00:24:02.083 We don't know, it was not signed. 00:24:03.208 --> 00:24:06.166 Over the years, these people have continued their mission 00:24:06.375 --> 00:24:10.125 and through their fake accounts, they have been clear about their goals. 00:24:10.333 --> 00:24:13.583 We will continue until Torben and his ministry 00:24:13.750 --> 00:24:15.750 are completely destroyed. 00:24:18.750 --> 00:24:23.291 Hey, Toby Boy, I have to say, I am really enjoying 00:24:23.375 --> 00:24:25.875 watching you slowly going down. 00:24:26.500 --> 00:24:30.250 Soon there will be nothing left of your freaking cult. 00:24:31.166 --> 00:24:34.958 Maybe you should have listened to me when I asked you for help for Alice, 00:24:35.291 --> 00:24:37.291 you arrogant moron. 00:24:37.833 --> 00:24:41.875 When Torben was approached by a production company in 2017, 00:24:41.958 --> 00:24:45.791 he had no idea that Gabriel and Thomas were involved. 00:24:50.208 --> 00:24:53.916 Towards the end of filming, Torben realised that he had been betrayed 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:57.291 and that the film crew was in contact with his persecutors. 00:24:58.333 --> 00:25:00.958 When he found out, he called the producer. 00:25:09.125 --> 00:25:11.333 He confronted him with his dishonesty. 00:25:11.416 --> 00:25:14.583 The producer excused himself and said it was part 00:25:14.666 --> 00:25:18.041 of the journalistic process to hear both sides of the story. 00:25:18.375 --> 00:25:20.666 But was this fair journalism? 00:25:21.458 --> 00:25:24.458 We have received information suggesting that Gabriel, 00:25:24.583 --> 00:25:27.333 the businessman from France, paid the salaries 00:25:27.416 --> 00:25:30.541 of the undercover journalists you saw in our last episode. 00:25:30.791 --> 00:25:34.791 The source of this information is someone close to Gabriel. 00:25:35.625 --> 00:25:40.791 If this is true, then Torben's persecutors have helped fund God's Best Children. 00:25:41.916 --> 00:25:44.000 We contacted one of the journalists. 00:25:44.125 --> 00:25:48.458 He said that he felt sorry for Torben, but that for 'legal reasons' 00:25:48.541 --> 00:25:50.541 he could not answer our questions. 00:25:51.625 --> 00:25:54.625 When we watch the God's Best Children documentary, 00:25:54.791 --> 00:25:58.625 we see the presence of both Thomas and Gabriel everywhere. 00:25:58.833 --> 00:26:03.416 For example, we see a representative of the organization InsideOut. 00:26:04.041 --> 00:26:07.375 According to their website, InsideOut provides support to people 00:26:07.458 --> 00:26:09.833 who have broken with a destructive community. 00:26:10.083 --> 00:26:13.875 Their website lists Thomas as chairman of the organization. 00:26:15.166 --> 00:26:18.166 Bente Boserup, who we saw in our first episode, 00:26:18.250 --> 00:26:24.000 is also listed on the InsideOut website as a child specialist consultant. 00:26:25.208 --> 00:26:28.541 These people are not independent experts. 00:26:28.875 --> 00:26:31.500 They know each other and work with Thomas. 00:26:35.583 --> 00:26:39.500 In the program, we see this couple who criticized Torben. 00:26:39.916 --> 00:26:43.500 They are friends of Thomas and were under Thomas influence. 00:26:43.958 --> 00:26:47.166 When asked why they agreed to appear on the program, 00:26:47.333 --> 00:26:49.750 they said that Thomas asked them to do it. 00:26:50.708 --> 00:26:55.291 They share a misleading story about Alice, the ex-girlfriend of Gabriel. 00:26:57.416 --> 00:26:59.833 So are you worried for her life? Yeah. 00:27:00.875 --> 00:27:03.250 I've been since the first day. 00:27:04.166 --> 00:27:07.541 We also see this man talking about his friend. 00:27:07.916 --> 00:27:11.750 He appears at the end of the last episode of God's Best Children 00:27:11.875 --> 00:27:14.208 and his identity is not revealed. 00:27:14.291 --> 00:27:16.291 This is Gabriel. 00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:20.416 He is the man that has been stalking his girlfriend, Alice, for years. 00:27:20.500 --> 00:27:24.166 She has repeatedly told Gabriel to get out of her life, 00:27:24.458 --> 00:27:26.208 but he continues to pursue her. 00:27:26.291 --> 00:27:30.541 And since this thing started, everything collapsed. 00:27:31.166 --> 00:27:34.083 She can actually commit suicide in a blink. 00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:36.500 Nobody is here to see what's going on. 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:38.750 Everything can happen. 00:27:38.833 --> 00:27:39.916 And they don't know what they're doing. 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:44.708 It's this Last Reformation thing is like a mental institution 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.500 where patients are trying to help patients. 00:27:48.083 --> 00:27:49.250 They are all crazy. 00:27:49.333 --> 00:27:52.291 She can actually commit suicide in a blink. 00:27:52.458 --> 00:27:56.083 Gabriel says Alice could commit suicide in a blink. 00:27:56.416 --> 00:28:00.250 But here we are today, 4 years later, and Alice is fine. 00:28:00.458 --> 00:28:04.166 She is not part of Torben's ministry and never has been. 00:28:04.583 --> 00:28:07.125 She just followed one of Torben's Bible schools 00:28:07.208 --> 00:28:09.875 and is now part of a church in her home country. 00:28:10.583 --> 00:28:15.750 He was doing all kind of things to have contact with her, 00:28:15.833 --> 00:28:20.000 even though she blocked immediately every possible door. 00:28:20.166 --> 00:28:24.750 He kept finding another door to just try to have contact with her. 00:28:24.833 --> 00:28:27.416 He were also sending her flowers. 00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:33.250 He, um, tried to have contact with other students at the school 00:28:33.333 --> 00:28:38.625 as well as create multiple Facebook profiles. 00:28:38.708 --> 00:28:43.208 Typically, it was female pictures and names he was using. 00:28:43.541 --> 00:28:44.875 She was really done with this guy. 00:28:44.958 --> 00:28:47.500 She didn't want to have anything to do with him. 00:28:48.125 --> 00:28:52.541 She didn't even consider to go back to him and she just 00:28:52.625 --> 00:28:55.083 wanted him to leave her alone. 00:28:55.166 --> 00:28:58.916 She decided to follow Jesus with everything she had. 00:29:08.208 --> 00:29:11.041 Around the time Torben realized that the production company 00:29:11.125 --> 00:29:14.041 was working with his persecutors, he and his family 00:29:14.125 --> 00:29:16.250 received a visit from the Municipality. 00:29:16.708 --> 00:29:21.083 They had received a report that children were being abused in their home. 00:29:23.208 --> 00:29:26.541 At the same time, a YouTube channel linked to Gabriel 00:29:26.625 --> 00:29:30.375 uploaded this video making the same claim of child abuse. 00:29:30.500 --> 00:29:34.291 It was a very threatening situation because in Denmark 00:29:34.375 --> 00:29:38.041 and other European countries, the child protection authorities 00:29:38.125 --> 00:29:39.750 have a lot of power. 00:29:39.833 --> 00:29:44.541 Sadly, there are several examples of authorities making bad decisions 00:29:44.625 --> 00:29:48.500 and removing children from their parents based on false information. 00:29:49.250 --> 00:29:52.916 This was a very intimidating situation for Torben and Lene 00:29:53.541 --> 00:29:56.666 because these authorities have the power to remove children 00:29:56.750 --> 00:29:59.458 if they suspect any wrongdoing in the family. 00:30:03.791 --> 00:30:06.583 Sometimes I get up to three calls per day from people 00:30:06.666 --> 00:30:08.916 fearing a forced adoption of their children. 00:30:09.416 --> 00:30:13.666 This became more real when Torben was publicly declared guilty. 00:30:14.833 --> 00:30:17.875 We agree with children's condition that this kind of behaviour 00:30:17.958 --> 00:30:20.416 can be described as psychological abuse. 00:30:20.625 --> 00:30:24.750 It was likely for authorities to take action at some point. 00:30:25.458 --> 00:30:27.708 Now, do you see the pattern? 00:30:27.958 --> 00:30:33.750 These individuals pushed the government but also the media into unjust actions. 00:30:33.958 --> 00:30:37.958 Later we will see the same thing happening in the USA. 00:30:38.958 --> 00:30:42.458 After the programmes aired on Danish TV, Torben and Lene 00:30:42.541 --> 00:30:46.000 fled to the United States and decided to stay there for a while 00:30:47.250 --> 00:30:50.625 Seeing the ongoing discussion in the media and government, 00:30:50.708 --> 00:30:53.666 they concluded: These people that are persecuting us, 00:30:53.958 --> 00:30:55.625 they are not going to stop. 00:30:55.708 --> 00:31:01.333 The people of Denmark buy in to their lies and this will continue until I'm in jail. 00:31:02.083 --> 00:31:04.875 Torben was advised to apply for asylum. 00:31:05.166 --> 00:31:10.000 He did not know that his persecutors had already contacted Homeland Security. 00:31:10.291 --> 00:31:16.916 A memo we received, states: On March 27th, 2019, the ICE Homeland Security 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.083 Investigations Fort Myers office received information 00:31:20.166 --> 00:31:23.250 that Sondergaard was defrauding the sick and elderly 00:31:23.375 --> 00:31:25.125 and abusing children. 00:31:25.125 --> 00:31:28.625 But why did Torben end up in prison in the United States? 00:31:29.291 --> 00:31:32.681 And how were Thomas and Gabriel involved in this? 00:31:32.836 --> 00:31:37.625 that we will share in our next episode.