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Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text
Dialogue: 0,0:00:11.08,0:00:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are going to be big programs.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:13.33,0:00:15.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The 2nd of January here in Denmark.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.79,0:00:18.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought they were doing a documentary\Nabout The Last Reformation,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.71,0:00:22.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they've done a documentary\Nwhere they talk about other ministries
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.50,0:00:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have gone really wrong in Denmark.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:24.79,0:00:29.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will go to America\Nand we will be there more.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.33,0:00:34.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We actually be five months\Nin America next year. All in all.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.67,0:00:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really enjoyed your last video.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.25,0:00:43.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm happy to hear you're going\Nto the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.88,0:00:47.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There I will be able\Nto really take care of you
Dialogue: 0,0:00:47.96,0:00:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and your ugly cult.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.00,0:00:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You destroyed Alice's life.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.92,0:00:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are a sick person.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.58,0:00:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I warned you\NI will take care of your cult.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.42,0:01:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As long as Alice won't be able\Nto get back to her therapy
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.96,0:01:04.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and live a normal life,\NI will be on your back.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:06.62,0:01:10.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Previously on our series,\Nwe have revealed compelling evidence
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.33,0:01:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the TV program God's Best Children\Nwas not an honest portrayal of Torben
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.25,0:01:17.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and his ministry.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.29,0:01:20.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was rather a calculated attempt\Nto discredit him.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.38,0:01:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The goal is to bring Torben\Nand his ministry down.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.38,0:01:28.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They tried to get what they wanted\Nthrough politics
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.38,0:01:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by proposing new laws\Nthat were tailor made to target Torben.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.96,0:01:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many of you have probably followed\Nthe documentary God's Best Children.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.17,0:01:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And seeing how a preacher\Ncommits demonic exorcisms in front
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.58,0:01:42.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of shaking and crying children.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.38,0:01:46.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We agree with children's condition\Nthat this kind of behavior
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.79,0:01:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be described as psychological abuse.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.88,0:01:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They also twisted the truth\Nby misusing existing laws.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.21,0:01:57.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have asked a number\Nof health commissioners
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.62,0:02:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to watch TV2's hidden recording\Nof Torben Sondergaard.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.04,0:02:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's simply quackery.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.21,0:02:04.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is deeply, deeply worrying.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.08,0:02:09.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Another tactic used was linking Torben\Nwith convicted criminals,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.21,0:02:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which caused public outrage against him\Nacross the country.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.88,0:02:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This man is downright dangerous\Nand what he practises should be illegal.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.12,0:02:21.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In an attempt to discredit him further,\Nthey offered him a large sum of money,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.79,0:02:23.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hoping to trap him financially.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.92,0:02:30.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Torben Sondergaard, a pastor from Denmark,\Nis being detained in Florida
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.29,0:02:32.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without any formal charges.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:33.04,0:02:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With this video series,\Nwe want to make you aware of his case
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.12,0:02:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we will show you evidence\Nthat there is a fight going on,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.50,0:02:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a fight over the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.75,0:02:47.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is an incredible story where things\Nare not always what they seem.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.83,0:02:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.42,0:02:59.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,episode, we will show you\Nthat Torben is actually being persecuted
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.83,0:03:01.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for his faith in Jesus Christ.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.75,0:03:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To be persecuted means to harass or punish\Nin a manner
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.96,0:03:09.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,designed to injure, grieve or afflict.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.58,0:03:14.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jesus said a servant is not greater\Nthan his master.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.71,0:03:18.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they persecuted me,\Nthey will also persecute you.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.25,0:03:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Paul is saying in one of his letters,\NEveryone who wants to live
Dialogue: 0,0:03:22.96,0:03:26.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a godly life\Nin Christ, Jesus will be persecuted.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.58,0:03:30.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Should we be surprised when this happens?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.83,0:03:32.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Peter answers.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.33,0:03:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do not be surprised at the fiery trial\Nwhen it comes upon you to test you
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.04,0:03:39.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as though something strange\Nwere happening to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.17,0:03:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we follow Jesus Christ\Nand want to live a godly life,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:45.12,0:03:46.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we will get trouble.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.42,0:03:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a promise.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.42,0:03:49.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But the things\Nthat are happening to Torben
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.04,0:03:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that actually Christian persecution?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.25,0:03:58.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or is it merely that he made mistakes\Nand he has to face the consequences?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.58,0:04:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To answer these questions,\Nlet's first look
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.46,0:04:03.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at how Jesus was persecuted.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.17,0:04:08.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jesus went around doing good,\Nbut he also offended many people.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.92,0:04:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He hurt the religious leaders\Nin their pride,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.38,0:04:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they gradually became more\Nand more agitated with Jesus
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.92,0:04:17.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ultimately wanted to kill him.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.54,0:04:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jesus had many followers,\Nbut he had an inner circle of 12 people.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.62,0:04:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, one of these 12\Nturned against him.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.71,0:04:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reasons for this\Ncould have been greed, disappointment,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.33,0:04:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even pride as it's written.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.96,0:04:33.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or even pride as it's written.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.04,0:04:38.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Satan entered into him\Nand he became an instrument of the enemy
Dialogue: 0,0:04:38.79,0:04:40.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to destroy Jesus.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.83,0:04:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After Judas handed Jesus over\Nto the religious leaders,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.67,0:04:47.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these leaders took him to the authorities.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.62,0:04:49.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By applying pressure,\Nthe religious leaders
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.92,0:04:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,convinced the authorities\Nto make an unjust decision.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.62,0:04:57.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To maintain peace,\Nthey decided to execute Jesus.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.33,0:05:02.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's important to see that it's Satan\Nwho is working out his plans.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.79,0:05:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The battle is not against the government\Nor against these religious leaders.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.29,0:05:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The battle is spiritual.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.00,0:05:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In Ephesus, it is written:\N'for our struggle
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.96,0:05:17.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not against flesh and blood,\Nbut against the rulers,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.88,0:05:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against the authorities,\Nagainst the powers of this dark world
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.88,0:05:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and against the spiritual forces\Nof evil in the heavenly realms.'
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.92,0:05:28.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, you may say, wait a minute.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.67,0:05:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can you compare Torben to Jesus?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.46,0:05:33.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Torben was not persecuted.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:33.38,0:05:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was simply portrayed\Nin a negative way in a TV program.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:37.33,0:05:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was that not his own fault?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.29,0:05:42.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shouldn't he have been more cautious\Nand not collaborated
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.21,0:05:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with that production company?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.08,0:05:46.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, there's more to the story\Nthat you need to know
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.88,0:05:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to fully understand the situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.38,0:05:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to take you back to 2016.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.21,0:05:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was the year when Torben's ministry\Nreleased a powerful film
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.58,0:05:59.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called The Last Reformation:\NThe beginning.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.42,0:06:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was tired of looking for answers\Nand I could not find it anywhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.58,0:06:06.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This film gained\Nsignificant worldwide attention
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.75,0:06:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and inspired\Nnumerous people to follow Jesus.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.54,0:06:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, it was also the year\Nwhen a fierce battle began.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.33,0:06:25.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The forces of darkness\Nbegan to fight back.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.75,0:06:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So how did this battle unfold?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.75,0:06:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to introduce you\Nto two individuals
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.17,0:06:34.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have been relentlessly\Nattacking Torben since 2016,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.12,0:06:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and their campaign continues to this day.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.83,0:06:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They've been operating anonymously\Nall these years.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.62,0:06:46.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They discredited Torben and his ministry\Nwhile remaining hidden from public view.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.75,0:06:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But their false narrative\Nhas been spread everywhere
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.00,0:06:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the mouths of other people.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.50,0:06:56.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first of these individuals\Nis a citizen of Denmark
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.29,0:06:59.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a former friend of Torben\Nwho had an important position
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.79,0:07:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in his ministry.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.46,0:07:03.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We won't use his real name here
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.75,0:07:07.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we're not out for revenge \Nor to damage anyone's reputation.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.71,0:07:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's call him Thomas.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:11.12,0:07:14.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I came to Denmark\Nin 2015 together with my family.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.88,0:07:17.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We lived there for over a year.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.67,0:07:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We worked with Torben\Nat that time in his organization,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.67,0:07:24.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we also met this man.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.46,0:07:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was a very good listener,\Nand he was someone
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.12,0:07:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who pulled a lot\Nof information from people.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.17,0:07:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very charismatic,\Nbut someone who just managed to come
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.96,0:07:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alongside just about anybody\Nand get them talking
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.29,0:07:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and seemed to be somebody\Nthat was really nice,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.46,0:07:45.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seemed very interested in people.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.42,0:07:49.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And my first instinct\Nwas to really like him.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.58,0:07:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I felt sorry for him\Nwhen he told me some
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.08,0:07:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the stories of his life.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.50,0:07:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And um, yeah, we became friends, I guess.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.12,0:08:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I met him\Nand I connected very good with him.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.08,0:08:04.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I actually became good friends with him.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.38,0:08:06.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I remember.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.79,0:08:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Uh, getting really close to him.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.08,0:08:12.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I liked to work with this man.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.71,0:08:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had good times together.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.21,0:08:16.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had good I have good memories of him.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.58,0:08:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the beginning\Nhe was actually a really nice person.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.17,0:08:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In that way, he was really involved\Nby helping a lot, where he helped Torben.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.08,0:08:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He helped other people,\Nincluding helping me.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.21,0:08:36.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He's a very intelligent person and someone\Nthat if he's working for somebody
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.62,0:08:39.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be an amazing ally.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.00,0:08:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Really very clever\Nand one step ahead of everybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.00,0:08:48.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if he wants to achieve something\Nor get something done, he would.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:49.58,0:08:51.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was a very likeable person.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.71,0:08:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was funny. He was very intelligent.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.04,0:08:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He had multiple talents.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.54,0:08:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was good in basically\Neverything you would ask him to do,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.58,0:09:00.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he would do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.04,0:09:09.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Extremely intelligent, um,\Nand, uh, shrewd.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.88,0:09:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very shrewd, very shrewd,\Nvery intelligent.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.04,0:09:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe that when he came at first,\Nhe was very sincere.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.75,0:09:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was very sincere with everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.17,0:09:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He loved what was going on at TLR.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.75,0:09:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He loved the way God was moving.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.67,0:09:25.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe God was touching him as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.33,0:09:31.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you could see that he was changing\Nand he would go out on the street,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.42,0:09:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, join the kickstarts\Nand everything.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.79,0:09:35.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was amazing with him.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.88,0:09:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But however, after I think around a year,\Num, things started to change with him.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.62,0:09:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But there was another side of him\Nor another character of him,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:45.62,0:09:50.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I did not see in the beginning,\Nbut I saw later on that he was also very,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.79,0:09:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very a manipulative person.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.96,0:09:58.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And because he was very manipulative\Nwhere he was really... he was actually
Dialogue: 0,0:09:58.29,0:10:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really good at manipulate people\Nand manipulate situations.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.58,0:10:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for that reason, he really gained very\Nquickly high position
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.33,0:10:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at that place at Jesus Hotel\Nwhere he almost somehow...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.25,0:10:16.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can say he became like the right hand\Nof Torben at that time.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.88,0:10:20.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Torben really liked him and trusted him.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.54,0:10:27.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he gave him positions\Nand access to basically everything at TLR.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.75,0:10:30.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some of those people\Nhe was not happy about,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.33,0:10:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he often went to Torben\Nand behind their back
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.04,0:10:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where he somehow started to gossip\Nand he tried to manipulate
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.46,0:10:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about them to Torben\Nthat they are...
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.62,0:10:48.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have a problem or they need\Nto be sent home and all this kind
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.46,0:10:52.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of stuff. And because of this\Nhe often succeed
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.54,0:10:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that some of those co-workers\Nwere being sent home because of him.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.58,0:11:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say it's not normal behavior\Nto manipulate so many layers deep.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.67,0:11:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it does make that person very powerful\Nin what he's able to achieve
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.58,0:11:10.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if he wants to tear somebody down.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.92,0:11:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I did witness\Nsome people being torn down.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:14.62,0:11:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's very hard\Nwhen you're in it sometimes to see it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.08,0:11:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He'd expressed it,\Nhe'd it said that he was actually jealous
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.58,0:11:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of anybody that got close to Torben.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.75,0:11:28.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so he would remove people\Nwho got close
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.04,0:11:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or manipulate them\Neither one way or the other.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.17,0:11:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He would often complain\Nthat he have done... he did a lot,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.42,0:11:39.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he didn't get enough credit\Nfor what he did.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.50,0:11:43.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that was basically\Nbecause, I mean, Torben
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.46,0:11:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the main guy on the videos\Nand Torben was the one also preaching
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.00,0:11:53.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when there was a kick start\Nand this guy was more behind the scene.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.83,0:11:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he pulled me aside one evening.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.08,0:12:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He felt like there was not enough\Nof credit given to him,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.96,0:12:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,aid given to him like a place to live,\Na nice place to live.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.92,0:12:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was bitter and angry\Nand complaining a lot because of that.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.67,0:12:17.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At some point, this man really started\Nto work against Torben.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.54,0:12:21.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He started to talk really bad about him,\Nbut at the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:21.38,0:12:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he showed the Torben a really nice face.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.21,0:12:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Torben had no idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.46,0:12:28.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He thought this was my best friend,\Nsomeone who's helping me a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.54,0:12:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But to other people,\Nhe would say things like,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.29,0:12:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Torben hurt me a lot,\Nand he started to try
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.71,0:12:38.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and convince other people\Nhow bad Torben actually is.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.29,0:12:42.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he would actually manipulate\Nthe situation in such way
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.42,0:12:45.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Torben was at one point\Nremoved from his own organization.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.83,0:12:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was almost like he wanted me\Nto hate Torben as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.00,0:12:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was almost like he wanted me\Nto turn my back on Torben
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.21,0:12:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well and join his side.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.42,0:12:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I found out later on\Nthat he would do the same to other people,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.96,0:13:01.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he will also talk\Nto them bad about Torben.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.58,0:13:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then as soon as Torben would come in\Nor enter into the room, he changed.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.79,0:13:10.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he was suddenly, I mean, very sweet.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:10.96,0:13:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So at some point, Torben found out\Nthat this man
Dialogue: 0,0:13:14.04,0:13:18.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was actually causing a lot of problems,\Nand he decided to remove him
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.42,0:13:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the organization.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.42,0:13:23.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got a call from a friend, he said: Hey,\Nif Torben is going to fire this man,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.67,0:13:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,please make sure\Nto change all your passwords
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.71,0:13:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he will take revenge.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.83,0:13:28.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was like, Nah...
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.67,0:13:32.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I couldn't believe it because I was\Nlike, it would not be this bad.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.88,0:13:35.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought I knew this man quite a bit,\Nbut he said: No,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.96,0:13:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's really bad with this man.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.42,0:13:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to do this.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.29,0:13:41.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I was okay, if you say so.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.17,0:13:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And actually I didn't believe it,\Nbut I changed a lot of passwords,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.67,0:13:47.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I didn't take it so seriously.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.50,0:13:51.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A few months later, I found out\Nthat actually I forgot
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.33,0:13:53.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to change some passwords\Nand some really important ones.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.75,0:13:58.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So someone logged in into our systems\Nand basically deleted everything
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.04,0:14:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they could find to destroy, to delete.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.04,0:14:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, that day we lost all our websites,\Nwe lost a lot of domain names
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.92,0:14:09.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in different accounts,\Nand it was a big disaster.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.71,0:14:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think there was more than a year of work\Ncompletely destroyed.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.75,0:14:16.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for me personally, it was like,\Nhow can someone be so evil?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:16.50,0:14:21.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I spent so much time\Nmyself already in all this, these things,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.38,0:14:24.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just deleting everything\Nand destroying everything,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.62,0:14:28.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including the backups, because the backups\Nwere also included in this system.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:28.21,0:14:30.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Of course I cannot prove\Nthat it was this man,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.38,0:14:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I know one thing\Nthat I was warned beforehand
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.83,0:14:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to change all the passwords\Nbecause he would take revenge
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.92,0:14:38.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then later this happens.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.67,0:14:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a funny thing\Nthat sometimes our strengths
Dialogue: 0,0:14:43.00,0:14:45.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can become our weaknesses spiritually.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.17,0:14:48.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You know, the the thing\Nthat we have a really strong calling
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.33,0:14:54.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can also be if it's turned\Ninward rather than toward God,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:54.46,0:14:58.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it's turned inward,\Nit can become something very destructive
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.79,0:15:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we've got a lot of perhaps skill\Nor talent that's been given
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.21,0:15:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in those areas.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.79,0:15:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I see that with this gentleman,\Nit's a very sad thing
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.17,0:15:13.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because he is somebody\Nwho wanted desperately
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.42,0:15:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to amount to something big in the Kingdom\Nand instead of that,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.79,0:15:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has found himself involved in something\Nreally bitter and quite twisted.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.12,0:15:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's sad.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.67,0:15:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a terrible thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.25,0:15:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that's also\Nwhy God allows things to happen
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.46,0:15:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as long as He does, because He loves us.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.38,0:15:37.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He loves us dearly, He loves our enemies\Nas much as He loves us.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.75,0:15:40.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've still you know, I still\Ncare a lot for this guy.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.29,0:15:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I pray for him,\Nand I hope that he will turn to God.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.71,0:15:46.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's my hope.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.38,0:15:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But something else happened\Nthat same year.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.58,0:16:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lady we will call Alice\Ncomes to faith in Jesus Christ.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.54,0:16:01.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She has a friend.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.88,0:16:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's name him Gabriel.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.29,0:16:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gabriel is a businessman\Nof French nationality.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.33,0:16:11.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When he hears that Alice is going to one\Nof Torben's schools,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.96,0:16:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he doesn't like it\Nbecause he doesn't believe in God
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.17,0:16:17.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and hates Christianity.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.54,0:16:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On top of that, Alice\Ndecides to break up with Gabriel
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.21,0:16:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the relationship is not good.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.29,0:16:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We called a friend of Alice, who was \Nwith her during Torben’s Bible School.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.25,0:16:33.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember that this guy,\Nhe was actually married with another woman
Dialogue: 0,0:16:33.38,0:16:38.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that my friend was with him\Nover a couple of years
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.33,0:16:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and which means\Nthey were having an affair.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.29,0:16:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From that moment on, he stalks her.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.71,0:16:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this guy,\Nhe thought that she has gone into a sect
Dialogue: 0,0:16:52.42,0:16:58.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he was kind of searching everything,\Nwhat he could from the ministry.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.54,0:17:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he was very much against this\Nbecause he kind of lost her
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.12,0:17:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of her faith in Jesus.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.04,0:17:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And he wanted kind of\Nto take her out of this, uh,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.54,0:17:12.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so that he could have her back.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.29,0:17:16.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I understand\Nis that he became someone
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.54,0:17:22.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would persecute the whole, uh,\Nministry with everything he could.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:22.62,0:17:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was very much against it.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:24.54,0:17:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The staff and fellow students\Nof that school
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.96,0:17:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,received friend requests through Facebook\Nfrom a Christian lady
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.58,0:17:33.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the name of Olivia Tennenbaum.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.50,0:17:37.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The account spread false information\Nabout Torben and his ministry
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.96,0:17:41.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and repeatedly used the word 'cult'\Nto address the ministry.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.50,0:17:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But no one seemed to know her.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.67,0:17:48.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It became clear to Alice\Nthat this Olivia Tennenbaum
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.21,0:17:51.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is actually her ex-boyfriend\Nspreading this information.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.71,0:18:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, I remember some of the profiles\Nthat, uh, all of a sudden was friend
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.08,0:18:04.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with everyone that we knew,\Nthe things that were shared
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.29,0:18:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the profile,\Nit was very much against Torben.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.12,0:18:09.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So much hate, so much bashing.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.46,0:18:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We asked Alice if she wanted to cooperate\Nwith this episode,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:13.96,0:18:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but she declined because she is afraid\Nof what this man would do to her.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.17,0:18:21.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has now been seven years\Nsince she ended the relationship
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.75,0:18:24.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this man is still stalking her.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:24.67,0:18:28.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She describes this man as rich,\Ninfluential and even
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.75,0:18:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with contacts in the US government.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.29,0:18:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He also threatened her to not go public\Nwith her story
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.75,0:18:36.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not to mention his name.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.04,0:18:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is the one who wrote the email\Nwe quoted at the beginning
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.67,0:18:42.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this episode.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.29,0:18:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm happy to hear you are going to the US.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.21,0:18:48.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There I will be able\Nto really take care of you
Dialogue: 0,0:18:48.67,0:18:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and your ugly cult.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.00,0:18:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also several other people\Nwe ask to tell their story
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.08,0:18:56.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this episode said no.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.88,0:19:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They said: this man is dangerous\Nand I don't want him to come after me
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.62,0:19:03.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my family.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.33,0:19:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He also wrote to other people\Ninvolved in Torben's ministry.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.83,0:19:12.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes. I also received a message\Nfrom this man back in 2020
Dialogue: 0,0:19:13.21,0:19:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when on the TV in my home country\Nin the Netherlands,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.21,0:19:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was a program that was very similar\Nto the program in Denmark,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.12,0:19:22.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The program is basically the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.54,0:19:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has Torben, it has the child abuse.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.12,0:19:26.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All these lies are also in there.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.29,0:19:29.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And after the program, I receive an email\Nfrom this man
Dialogue: 0,0:19:29.92,0:19:33.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who is hiding\Nbehind a fake account, Laura Palmare,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.67,0:19:37.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he writes:\NOnce I told you I'm not the kind of guy
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.62,0:19:41.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are used to deal with,\Nand he ends with more to come.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.29,0:19:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Get your suitcases ready.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.96,0:19:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Always making sure\Nto not mention his name.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:46.21,0:19:48.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I forgot one last thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.38,0:19:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't you ever mention my name\Non any social media?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.17,0:19:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will know it.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:53.17,0:19:56.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I promise you\Nthat you will have serious reason
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.54,0:19:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to fear my wrath.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.00,0:20:00.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously, Alice\Ndidn't tell you everything
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.67,0:20:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about who I really am.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.21,0:20:04.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don't try to learn it the hard way.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:04.33,0:20:07.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You would regret it deeply. Am I clear?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.58,0:20:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Somewhere in 2016, Gabriel and Thomas\Nfound each other and joined forces.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.75,0:20:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Several other fake social media accounts\Nappeared. Their sole purpose
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.50,0:20:28.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was to spread defamatory information\Nabout Torben and his ministry.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.71,0:20:32.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They created a narrative\Nwhere Torben's ministry was a 'cult'
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.17,0:20:36.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Torben was\Nthe 'dangerous cult leader'.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.17,0:20:41.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Besides the fake profiles,\Nanonymous reports were sent
Dialogue: 0,0:20:41.79,0:20:44.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to various government\Norganizations in Denmark.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.92,0:20:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fire department got an anonymous call\Nthat there was a fire hazard.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.54,0:20:51.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They checked and everything was fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.00,0:20:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The food control came.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.21,0:20:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They got a report that the kitchen\Nat the Bible school facility
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.25,0:20:59.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was dirty and there were rats.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:59.33,0:21:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They checked and everything was fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.92,0:21:05.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Workers Association got a report\Nthat there were people
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.88,0:21:09.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working at the ministry\Nthat were not authorized to work.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.38,0:21:12.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They checked and everything was okay.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.54,0:21:16.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The tax agency was told\Nthat the ministry was evading taxes
Dialogue: 0,0:21:16.29,0:21:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they requested the books\Nfor the last two years.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.29,0:21:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything turned out fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.12,0:21:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A Wikipedia page was also created\Nwith defamatory information about Torben.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.62,0:21:30.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wikipedia moderators decided\Nthat the page needed to be removed.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.25,0:21:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When Torben was doing\Na kickstart in France,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.17,0:21:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the police showed up.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.54,0:21:39.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had received reports\Nthat Torben's ministry
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.04,0:21:43.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a dangerous cult\Nand were investigating the matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.50,0:21:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People got baptized, set free,\Nreceived the Holy Spirit, so beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.25,0:21:50.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in the middle\Nof the most beautiful thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.46,0:21:53.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the police come,\Nthree policemen standing outside
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.88,0:21:55.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and want to close us down.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.12,0:21:58.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they say something with the building\Nand the man who owns the building.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.12,0:21:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we know it's just an attack.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:00.00,0:22:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what to do now?
Dialogue: 0,0:22:01.58,0:22:03.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have no idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.25,0:22:06.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,800 people. We have no idea.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:06.25,0:22:09.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After we showed them all the paperwork\Nand they saw all the people,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.17,0:22:11.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they never came again.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.33,0:22:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we were able to move on\Nwith the Kickstart with no problems.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:14.58,0:22:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It didn't stop there\Nbecause as soon as we went to the airport
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.33,0:22:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to fly back to Denmark, the police came\Nto check all our bags suddenly again,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.54,0:22:27.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they took us all into a special room.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.17,0:22:31.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was very strange\Nand they went through all our bags,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.96,0:22:34.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all our stuff\Nand just opened and took stuff out.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.29,0:22:38.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we just had no idea\Nof what was going on.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.29,0:22:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then apparently they told us\Nthat they got a report for someone
Dialogue: 0,0:22:42.50,0:22:45.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we had a lot of money,\Na lot of cash in our bags.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.29,0:22:47.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it was just strange.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.54,0:22:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very, very strange.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:48.75,0:22:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course, we didn't have anything,\Nso they didn't found it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.17,0:22:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then in the end, they let us go.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.00,0:22:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it was just... we started to become\Nvery curious about who this person was
Dialogue: 0,0:22:59.08,0:23:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it was like it kept coming again\Nand again and again
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.25,0:23:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that someone would call in to the police\Nand ask them
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.96,0:23:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to check us and to go through us\Nbecause we were 'dangerous'.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.12,0:23:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yeah. But anyway, I mean, Torben\Nnever really wasted too much time on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.79,0:23:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was just so focused on the gospel.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.29,0:23:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So he moved on.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:19.62,0:23:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Month of April, I actually did a kickstart\Nin Switzerland in a city called Lausanne.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.79,0:23:29.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,During that time,\Nfor what I remember, I was excited
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.67,0:23:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we were preparing\Nto start with the Kickstart.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.58,0:23:35.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One of my friends, she actually came to me\Nand she actually told me
Dialogue: 0,0:23:35.83,0:23:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a surprising way that there are police\Nwho are outside of the building.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.79,0:23:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had a document\Nand someone had made a big complaint
Dialogue: 0,0:23:45.08,0:23:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about Torben Sondergaard,\Nabout The Last Reformation,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.79,0:23:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we were a sect,\Nsomething to do
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.21,0:23:53.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:53.54,0:23:55.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Autistic and hypnosis.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.50,0:23:56.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hypnosis, a whole.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:56.42,0:23:56.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lot of things.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.04,0:23:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we are dangerous. It was from.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.79,0:24:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some place near Geneva.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.62,0:24:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't know, it was not signed.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.21,0:24:06.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Over the years,\Nthese people have continued their mission
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.38,0:24:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and through their fake accounts,\Nthey have been clear about their goals.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.33,0:24:13.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will continue\Nuntil Torben and his ministry
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.75,0:24:15.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are completely destroyed.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:18.75,0:24:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hey, Toby Boy, I have to say,\NI am really enjoying
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.38,0:24:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watching you slowly going down.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:26.50,0:24:30.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Soon there will be nothing left\Nof your freaking cult.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:31.17,0:24:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe you should have listened to me\Nwhen I asked you for help for Alice,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:35.29,0:24:37.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you arrogant moron.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.83,0:24:41.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When Torben was approached\Nby a production company in 2017,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:41.96,0:24:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he had no idea\Nthat Gabriel and Thomas were involved.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.21,0:24:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Towards the end of filming, Torben\Nrealised that he had been betrayed
Dialogue: 0,0:24:54.00,0:24:57.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that the film crew was in contact\Nwith his persecutors.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.33,0:25:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When he found out, he called the producer.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.12,0:25:11.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He confronted him with his dishonesty.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.42,0:25:14.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The producer excused himself\Nand said it was part
Dialogue: 0,0:25:14.67,0:25:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the journalistic process\Nto hear both sides of the story.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.38,0:25:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But was this fair journalism?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:21.46,0:25:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have received information\Nsuggesting that Gabriel,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.58,0:25:27.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the businessman from France,\Npaid the salaries
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.42,0:25:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the undercover journalists\Nyou saw in our last episode.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.79,0:25:34.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The source of this information\Nis someone close to Gabriel.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.62,0:25:40.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If this is true, then Torben's persecutors\Nhave helped fund God's Best Children.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.92,0:25:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We contacted one of the journalists.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.12,0:25:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He said that he felt sorry for Torben,\Nbut that for 'legal reasons'
Dialogue: 0,0:25:48.54,0:25:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he could not answer our questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:51.62,0:25:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we watch\Nthe God's Best Children documentary,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.79,0:25:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we see the presence\Nof both Thomas and Gabriel everywhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:58.83,0:26:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, we see a representative\Nof the organization InsideOut.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.04,0:26:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,According to their website, InsideOut\Nprovides support to people
Dialogue: 0,0:26:07.46,0:26:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have broken\Nwith a destructive community.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.08,0:26:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their website lists Thomas\Nas chairman of the organization.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:15.17,0:26:18.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bente Boserup,\Nwho we saw in our first episode,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.25,0:26:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is also listed on the InsideOut website\Nas a child specialist consultant.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.21,0:26:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These people are not independent experts.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.88,0:26:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They know each other and work with Thomas.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.58,0:26:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the program,\Nwe see this couple who criticized Torben.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.92,0:26:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are friends of Thomas\Nand were under Thomas influence.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:43.96,0:26:47.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When asked why\Nthey agreed to appear on the program,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.33,0:26:49.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they said that Thomas asked them to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.71,0:26:55.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They share a misleading story about Alice,\Nthe ex-girlfriend of Gabriel.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.42,0:26:59.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So are you worried for her life? Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.88,0:27:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been since the first day.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.17,0:27:07.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also see this man\Ntalking about his friend.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.92,0:27:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He appears at the end of the last episode\Nof God's Best Children
Dialogue: 0,0:27:11.88,0:27:14.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and his identity is not revealed.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.29,0:27:16.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Gabriel.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.50,0:27:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is the man that has been stalking\Nhis girlfriend, Alice, for years.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.50,0:27:24.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She has repeatedly told Gabriel\Nto get out of her life,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:24.46,0:27:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he continues to pursue her.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.29,0:27:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And since this thing started,\Neverything collapsed.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.17,0:27:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She can actually commit suicide\Nin a blink.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.50,0:27:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody is here to see what's going on.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.00,0:27:38.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything can happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.83,0:27:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they don't know what they're doing.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.00,0:27:44.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's this Last Reformation thing\Nis like a mental institution
Dialogue: 0,0:27:45.00,0:27:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where patients\Nare trying to help patients.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.08,0:27:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are all crazy.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.33,0:27:52.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She can actually commit suicide\Nin a blink.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:52.46,0:27:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Gabriel says Alice could \Ncommit suicide in a blink.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.42,0:28:00.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But here we are today, \N4 years later, and Alice is fine.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:00.46,0:28:04.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She is not part of Torben's ministry\Nand never has been.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:04.58,0:28:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She just followed\None of Torben's Bible schools
Dialogue: 0,0:28:07.21,0:28:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and is now part\Nof a church in her home country.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:10.58,0:28:15.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He was doing all kind of things\Nto have contact with her,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:15.83,0:28:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though she blocked immediately\Nevery possible door.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:20.17,0:28:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He kept finding another door\Nto just try to have contact with her.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.83,0:28:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He were also sending her flowers.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:27.50,0:28:33.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He, um, tried to have contact\Nwith other students at the school
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.33,0:28:38.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as create\Nmultiple Facebook profiles.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:38.71,0:28:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Typically, it was female pictures\Nand names he was using.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:43.54,0:28:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She was really done with this guy.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.96,0:28:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She didn't want to have anything\Nto do with him.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:48.12,0:28:52.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She didn't even consider to go back to him\Nand she just
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.62,0:28:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wanted him to leave her alone.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.17,0:28:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She decided to follow Jesus\Nwith everything she had.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.21,0:29:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Around the time Torben realized\Nthat the production company
Dialogue: 0,0:29:11.12,0:29:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was working with his persecutors,\Nhe and his family
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.12,0:29:16.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,received a visit from the Municipality.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:16.71,0:29:21.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They had received a report that children\Nwere being abused in their home.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:23.21,0:29:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the same time,\Na YouTube channel linked to Gabriel
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.62,0:29:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,uploaded this video\Nmaking the same claim of child abuse.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:30.50,0:29:34.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a very threatening situation\Nbecause in Denmark
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.38,0:29:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other European countries,\Nthe child protection authorities
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.12,0:29:39.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have a lot of power.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:39.83,0:29:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sadly, there are several examples\Nof authorities making bad decisions
Dialogue: 0,0:29:44.62,0:29:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and removing children from their parents\Nbased on false information.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.25,0:29:52.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This was a very intimidating situation\Nfor Torben and Lene
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.54,0:29:56.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because these authorities have the power\Nto remove children
Dialogue: 0,0:29:56.75,0:29:59.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they suspect\Nany wrongdoing in the family.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:03.79,0:30:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sometimes I get up to three calls per day\Nfrom people
Dialogue: 0,0:30:06.67,0:30:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fearing a forced adoption\Nof their children.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:09.42,0:30:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This became more real\Nwhen Torben was publicly declared guilty.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.83,0:30:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We agree with children's condition\Nthat this kind of behaviour
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.96,0:30:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be described as psychological abuse.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:20.62,0:30:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was likely for authorities\Nto take action at some point.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:25.46,0:30:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, do you see the pattern?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:27.96,0:30:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These individuals pushed the government\Nbut also the media into unjust actions.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:33.96,0:30:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Later we will see the same thing\Nhappening in the USA.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:38.96,0:30:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After the programmes aired on Danish\NTV, Torben and Lene
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.54,0:30:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fled to the United States\Nand decided to stay there for a while
Dialogue: 0,0:30:47.25,0:30:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Seeing the ongoing discussion\Nin the media and government,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.71,0:30:53.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they concluded:\NThese people that are persecuting us,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:53.96,0:30:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are not going to stop.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.71,0:31:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The people of Denmark buy in to their lies\Nand this will continue until I'm in jail.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:02.08,0:31:04.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Torben was advised to apply for asylum.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.17,0:31:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He did not know that his persecutors\Nhad already contacted Homeland Security.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.29,0:31:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A memo we received, states: On March 27th,\N2019, the ICE Homeland Security
Dialogue: 0,0:31:17.00,0:31:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Investigations Fort Myers office\Nreceived information
Dialogue: 0,0:31:20.17,0:31:23.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Sondergaard\Nwas defrauding the sick and elderly
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.38,0:31:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and abusing children.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:25.12,0:31:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But why did Torben end up in prison\Nin the United States?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:29.29,0:31:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And how were Thomas and Gabriel \Ninvolved in this?
Dialogue: 0,0:31:32.84,0:31:37.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we will share in our next episode.