1 00:00:11,083 --> 00:00:13,250 There are going to be big programs. 2 00:00:13,333 --> 00:00:15,708 The 2nd of January here in Denmark. 3 00:00:15,791 --> 00:00:18,625 I thought they were doing a documentary about The Last Reformation, 4 00:00:18,708 --> 00:00:22,166 but they've done a documentary where they talk about other ministries 5 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:24,500 that have gone really wrong in Denmark. 6 00:00:24,791 --> 00:00:29,166 We will go to America and we will be there more. 7 00:00:29,333 --> 00:00:34,291 We actually be five months in America next year. All in all. 8 00:00:37,666 --> 00:00:40,541 I really enjoyed your last video. 9 00:00:41,250 --> 00:00:43,708 I'm happy to hear you're going to the United States. 10 00:00:43,875 --> 00:00:47,666 There I will be able to really take care of you 11 00:00:47,958 --> 00:00:49,916 and your ugly cult. 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,416 You destroyed Alice's life. 13 00:00:52,916 --> 00:00:54,500 You are a sick person. 14 00:00:54,583 --> 00:00:58,000 And I warned you I will take care of your cult. 15 00:00:58,416 --> 00:01:00,875 As long as Alice won't be able to get back to her therapy 16 00:01:00,958 --> 00:01:04,750 and live a normal life, I will be on your back. 17 00:01:06,625 --> 00:01:10,250 Previously on our series, we have revealed compelling evidence 18 00:01:10,333 --> 00:01:16,166 that the TV program God's Best Children was not an honest portrayal of Torben 19 00:01:16,250 --> 00:01:17,208 and his ministry. 20 00:01:17,291 --> 00:01:20,750 It was rather a calculated attempt to discredit him. 21 00:01:21,375 --> 00:01:24,750 The goal is to bring Torben and his ministry down. 22 00:01:25,375 --> 00:01:28,291 They tried to get what they wanted through politics 23 00:01:28,375 --> 00:01:32,166 by proposing new laws that were tailor made to target Torben. 24 00:01:32,958 --> 00:01:36,916 Many of you have probably followed the documentary God's Best Children. 25 00:01:37,166 --> 00:01:40,500 And seeing how a preacher commits demonic exorcisms in front 26 00:01:40,583 --> 00:01:42,583 of shaking and crying children. 27 00:01:43,375 --> 00:01:46,416 We agree with children's condition that this kind of behavior 28 00:01:46,791 --> 00:01:49,250 can be described as psychological abuse. 29 00:01:50,875 --> 00:01:54,875 They also twisted the truth by misusing existing laws. 30 00:01:55,208 --> 00:01:57,541 We have asked a number of health commissioners 31 00:01:57,625 --> 00:02:00,958 to watch TV2's hidden recording of Torben Sondergaard. 32 00:02:01,041 --> 00:02:02,125 It's simply quackery. 33 00:02:02,208 --> 00:02:04,666 It is deeply, deeply worrying. 34 00:02:05,083 --> 00:02:09,125 Another tactic used was linking Torben with convicted criminals, 35 00:02:09,208 --> 00:02:12,500 which caused public outrage against him across the country. 36 00:02:12,875 --> 00:02:16,833 This man is downright dangerous and what he practises should be illegal. 37 00:02:17,125 --> 00:02:21,708 In an attempt to discredit him further, they offered him a large sum of money, 38 00:02:21,791 --> 00:02:23,791 hoping to trap him financially. 39 00:02:24,916 --> 00:02:30,208 Torben Sondergaard, a pastor from Denmark, is being detained in Florida 40 00:02:30,291 --> 00:02:32,291 without any formal charges. 41 00:02:33,041 --> 00:02:36,416 With this video series, we want to make you aware of his case 42 00:02:37,125 --> 00:02:40,291 and we will show you evidence that there is a fight going on, 43 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:43,125 a fight over the gospel of Jesus Christ. 44 00:02:43,750 --> 00:02:47,750 It is an incredible story where things are not always what they seem. 45 00:02:47,833 --> 00:02:54,500 In this 46 00:02:55,416 --> 00:02:59,750 episode, we will show you that Torben is actually being persecuted 47 00:02:59,833 --> 00:03:01,958 for his faith in Jesus Christ. 48 00:03:02,750 --> 00:03:06,875 To be persecuted means to harass or punish in a manner 49 00:03:06,958 --> 00:03:09,791 designed to injure, grieve or afflict. 50 00:03:10,583 --> 00:03:14,333 Jesus said a servant is not greater than his master. 51 00:03:14,708 --> 00:03:18,416 If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. 52 00:03:19,250 --> 00:03:22,875 Paul is saying in one of his letters, Everyone who wants to live 53 00:03:22,958 --> 00:03:26,833 a godly life in Christ, Jesus will be persecuted. 54 00:03:27,583 --> 00:03:30,166 Should we be surprised when this happens? 55 00:03:30,833 --> 00:03:32,250 Peter answers. 56 00:03:32,333 --> 00:03:36,916 Do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you 57 00:03:37,041 --> 00:03:39,666 as though something strange were happening to you. 58 00:03:41,166 --> 00:03:44,916 When we follow Jesus Christ and want to live a godly life, 59 00:03:45,125 --> 00:03:46,333 we will get trouble. 60 00:03:46,416 --> 00:03:47,333 It's a promise. 61 00:03:47,416 --> 00:03:49,666 But the things that are happening to Torben 62 00:03:50,041 --> 00:03:52,833 is that actually Christian persecution? 63 00:03:53,250 --> 00:03:58,250 Or is it merely that he made mistakes and he has to face the consequences? 64 00:03:58,583 --> 00:04:01,375 To answer these questions, let's first look 65 00:04:01,458 --> 00:04:03,458 at how Jesus was persecuted. 66 00:04:04,166 --> 00:04:08,750 Jesus went around doing good, but he also offended many people. 67 00:04:08,916 --> 00:04:12,041 He hurt the religious leaders in their pride, 68 00:04:12,375 --> 00:04:15,833 and they gradually became more and more agitated with Jesus 69 00:04:15,916 --> 00:04:17,958 and ultimately wanted to kill him. 70 00:04:18,541 --> 00:04:23,208 Jesus had many followers, but he had an inner circle of 12 people. 71 00:04:23,625 --> 00:04:27,041 However, one of these 12 turned against him. 72 00:04:27,708 --> 00:04:30,875 The reasons for this could have been greed, disappointment, 73 00:04:31,333 --> 00:04:32,958 or even pride as it's written. 74 00:04:32,958 --> 00:04:33,916 or even pride as it's written. 75 00:04:34,041 --> 00:04:38,583 Satan entered into him and he became an instrument of the enemy 76 00:04:38,791 --> 00:04:40,750 to destroy Jesus. 77 00:04:40,833 --> 00:04:44,500 After Judas handed Jesus over to the religious leaders, 78 00:04:44,666 --> 00:04:47,125 these leaders took him to the authorities. 79 00:04:47,625 --> 00:04:49,833 By applying pressure, the religious leaders 80 00:04:49,916 --> 00:04:53,208 convinced the authorities to make an unjust decision. 81 00:04:53,625 --> 00:04:57,500 To maintain peace, they decided to execute Jesus. 82 00:04:58,333 --> 00:05:02,541 But it's important to see that it's Satan who is working out his plans. 83 00:05:03,791 --> 00:05:08,166 The battle is not against the government or against these religious leaders. 84 00:05:08,291 --> 00:05:10,291 The battle is spiritual. 85 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,875 In Ephesus, it is written: 'for our struggle 86 00:05:13,958 --> 00:05:17,708 is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, 87 00:05:17,875 --> 00:05:21,750 against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world 88 00:05:21,875 --> 00:05:25,916 and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.' 89 00:05:26,916 --> 00:05:28,583 Now, you may say, wait a minute. 90 00:05:28,666 --> 00:05:31,125 How can you compare Torben to Jesus? 91 00:05:31,458 --> 00:05:33,291 Torben was not persecuted. 92 00:05:33,375 --> 00:05:37,125 He was simply portrayed in a negative way in a TV program. 93 00:05:37,333 --> 00:05:39,208 Was that not his own fault? 94 00:05:39,291 --> 00:05:42,125 Shouldn't he have been more cautious and not collaborated 95 00:05:42,208 --> 00:05:44,000 with that production company? 96 00:05:44,083 --> 00:05:46,791 Well, there's more to the story that you need to know 97 00:05:46,875 --> 00:05:48,916 to fully understand the situation. 98 00:05:49,375 --> 00:05:52,125 We need to take you back to 2016. 99 00:05:52,208 --> 00:05:56,500 That was the year when Torben's ministry released a powerful film 100 00:05:56,583 --> 00:05:59,333 called The Last Reformation: The beginning. 101 00:05:59,416 --> 00:06:03,500 I was tired of looking for answers and I could not find it anywhere. 102 00:06:03,583 --> 00:06:06,625 This film gained significant worldwide attention 103 00:06:06,750 --> 00:06:09,833 and inspired numerous people to follow Jesus. 104 00:06:17,541 --> 00:06:21,791 However, it was also the year when a fierce battle began. 105 00:06:22,333 --> 00:06:25,333 The forces of darkness began to fight back. 106 00:06:25,750 --> 00:06:27,958 So how did this battle unfold? 107 00:06:28,750 --> 00:06:31,083 We need to introduce you to two individuals 108 00:06:31,166 --> 00:06:34,791 who have been relentlessly attacking Torben since 2016, 109 00:06:35,125 --> 00:06:37,708 and their campaign continues to this day. 110 00:06:37,833 --> 00:06:41,375 They've been operating anonymously all these years. 111 00:06:41,625 --> 00:06:46,250 They discredited Torben and his ministry while remaining hidden from public view. 112 00:06:46,750 --> 00:06:49,916 But their false narrative has been spread everywhere 113 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,083 through the mouths of other people. 114 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:56,166 The first of these individuals is a citizen of Denmark 115 00:06:56,291 --> 00:06:59,708 and a former friend of Torben who had an important position 116 00:06:59,791 --> 00:07:01,375 in his ministry. 117 00:07:01,458 --> 00:07:03,666 We won't use his real name here 118 00:07:03,750 --> 00:07:07,583 because we're not out for revenge or to damage anyone's reputation. 119 00:07:07,708 --> 00:07:10,000 Let's call him Thomas. 120 00:07:11,125 --> 00:07:14,083 I came to Denmark in 2015 together with my family. 121 00:07:14,875 --> 00:07:17,166 We lived there for over a year. 122 00:07:17,666 --> 00:07:21,583 We worked with Torben at that time in his organization, 123 00:07:21,666 --> 00:07:24,250 and we also met this man. 124 00:07:24,458 --> 00:07:27,041 He was a very good listener, and he was someone 125 00:07:27,125 --> 00:07:30,083 who pulled a lot of information from people. 126 00:07:30,166 --> 00:07:34,875 Very charismatic, but someone who just managed to come 127 00:07:34,958 --> 00:07:38,041 alongside just about anybody and get them talking 128 00:07:38,291 --> 00:07:43,125 and seemed to be somebody that was really nice, 129 00:07:43,458 --> 00:07:45,458 seemed very interested in people. 130 00:07:46,416 --> 00:07:49,583 And my first instinct was to really like him. 131 00:07:50,583 --> 00:07:53,000 And I felt sorry for him when he told me some 132 00:07:53,083 --> 00:07:54,416 of the stories of his life. 133 00:07:54,500 --> 00:07:59,041 And um, yeah, we became friends, I guess. 134 00:07:59,125 --> 00:08:02,000 I met him and I connected very good with him. 135 00:08:02,083 --> 00:08:04,250 I actually became good friends with him. 136 00:08:04,375 --> 00:08:06,375 And I remember. 137 00:08:06,791 --> 00:08:10,375 Uh, getting really close to him. 138 00:08:11,083 --> 00:08:12,625 I liked to work with this man. 139 00:08:12,708 --> 00:08:14,125 We had good times together. 140 00:08:14,208 --> 00:08:16,458 I had good I have good memories of him. 141 00:08:16,583 --> 00:08:20,583 In the beginning he was actually a really nice person. 142 00:08:21,166 --> 00:08:26,000 In that way, he was really involved by helping a lot, where he helped Torben. 143 00:08:26,083 --> 00:08:29,041 He helped other people, including helping me. 144 00:08:29,208 --> 00:08:36,208 He's a very intelligent person and someone that if he's working for somebody 145 00:08:36,625 --> 00:08:39,291 would be an amazing ally. 146 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,083 Really very clever and one step ahead of everybody. 147 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,583 And if he wants to achieve something or get something done, he would. 148 00:08:49,583 --> 00:08:51,708 He was a very likeable person. 149 00:08:51,708 --> 00:08:54,041 He was funny. He was very intelligent. 150 00:08:54,041 --> 00:08:55,541 He had multiple talents. 151 00:08:55,541 --> 00:08:58,500 He was good in basically everything you would ask him to do, 152 00:08:58,583 --> 00:09:00,583 he would do it. 153 00:09:03,041 --> 00:09:09,333 Extremely intelligent, um, and, uh, shrewd. 154 00:09:09,875 --> 00:09:12,916 Very shrewd, very shrewd, very intelligent. 155 00:09:13,041 --> 00:09:16,125 I believe that when he came at first, he was very sincere. 156 00:09:16,750 --> 00:09:18,083 He was very sincere with everything. 157 00:09:18,166 --> 00:09:20,666 He loved what was going on at TLR. 158 00:09:20,750 --> 00:09:23,041 He loved the way God was moving. 159 00:09:23,666 --> 00:09:25,250 I believe God was touching him as well. 160 00:09:25,333 --> 00:09:31,333 And you could see that he was changing and he would go out on the street, 161 00:09:31,416 --> 00:09:33,708 you know, join the kickstarts and everything. 162 00:09:33,791 --> 00:09:35,791 And it was amazing with him. 163 00:09:35,875 --> 00:09:41,500 But however, after I think around a year, um, things started to change with him. 164 00:09:41,625 --> 00:09:45,541 But there was another side of him or another character of him, 165 00:09:45,625 --> 00:09:50,708 which I did not see in the beginning, but I saw later on that he was also very, 166 00:09:50,791 --> 00:09:53,041 very a manipulative person. 167 00:09:53,958 --> 00:09:58,208 And because he was very manipulative where he was really... he was actually 168 00:09:58,291 --> 00:10:02,041 really good at manipulate people and manipulate situations. 169 00:10:02,583 --> 00:10:07,250 And for that reason, he really gained very quickly high position 170 00:10:07,333 --> 00:10:11,166 at that place at Jesus Hotel where he almost somehow... 171 00:10:11,250 --> 00:10:16,291 you can say he became like the right hand of Torben at that time. 172 00:10:16,875 --> 00:10:20,166 Torben really liked him and trusted him. 173 00:10:20,541 --> 00:10:27,208 So he gave him positions and access to basically everything at TLR. 174 00:10:27,750 --> 00:10:30,250 Some of those people he was not happy about, 175 00:10:30,333 --> 00:10:32,958 he often went to Torben and behind their back 176 00:10:33,041 --> 00:10:38,375 where he somehow started to gossip and he tried to manipulate 177 00:10:38,458 --> 00:10:44,541 about them to Torben that they are... 178 00:10:44,625 --> 00:10:48,375 they have a problem or they need to be sent home and all this kind 179 00:10:48,458 --> 00:10:52,666 of stuff. And because of this he often succeed 180 00:10:53,541 --> 00:10:57,375 that some of those co-workers were being sent home because of him. 181 00:10:57,583 --> 00:11:02,458 I would say it's not normal behavior to manipulate so many layers deep. 182 00:11:03,666 --> 00:11:08,500 And it does make that person very powerful in what he's able to achieve 183 00:11:08,583 --> 00:11:10,583 if he wants to tear somebody down. 184 00:11:10,916 --> 00:11:14,125 And I did witness some people being torn down. 185 00:11:14,625 --> 00:11:19,000 But it's very hard when you're in it sometimes to see it. 186 00:11:19,083 --> 00:11:22,500 He'd expressed it, he'd it said that he was actually jealous 187 00:11:22,583 --> 00:11:24,875 of anybody that got close to Torben. 188 00:11:25,750 --> 00:11:28,666 And so he would remove people who got close 189 00:11:29,041 --> 00:11:32,000 or manipulate them either one way or the other. 190 00:11:32,166 --> 00:11:37,333 He would often complain that he have done... he did a lot, 191 00:11:37,416 --> 00:11:39,750 but he didn't get enough credit for what he did. 192 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:43,375 And that was basically because, I mean, Torben 193 00:11:43,458 --> 00:11:48,916 was the main guy on the videos and Torben was the one also preaching 194 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,625 when there was a kick start and this guy was more behind the scene. 195 00:11:53,833 --> 00:11:57,000 So he pulled me aside one evening. 196 00:11:57,083 --> 00:12:02,500 He felt like there was not enough of credit given to him, 197 00:12:02,958 --> 00:12:06,541 aid given to him like a place to live, a nice place to live. 198 00:12:06,916 --> 00:12:13,125 He was bitter and angry and complaining a lot because of that. 199 00:12:13,666 --> 00:12:17,041 At some point, this man really started to work against Torben. 200 00:12:17,541 --> 00:12:21,291 He started to talk really bad about him, but at the same time, 201 00:12:21,375 --> 00:12:23,125 he showed the Torben a really nice face. 202 00:12:23,208 --> 00:12:24,375 So Torben had no idea. 203 00:12:24,458 --> 00:12:28,208 He thought this was my best friend, someone who's helping me a lot. 204 00:12:28,541 --> 00:12:31,208 But to other people, he would say things like, 205 00:12:31,291 --> 00:12:35,625 Torben hurt me a lot, and he started to try 206 00:12:35,708 --> 00:12:38,791 and convince other people how bad Torben actually is. 207 00:12:39,291 --> 00:12:42,291 And he would actually manipulate the situation in such way 208 00:12:42,416 --> 00:12:45,750 that Torben was at one point removed from his own organization. 209 00:12:45,833 --> 00:12:48,916 It was almost like he wanted me to hate Torben as well. 210 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,125 It was almost like he wanted me to turn my back on Torben 211 00:12:52,208 --> 00:12:54,250 as well and join his side. 212 00:12:54,416 --> 00:12:57,875 And I found out later on that he would do the same to other people, 213 00:12:57,958 --> 00:13:01,291 that he will also talk to them bad about Torben. 214 00:13:01,583 --> 00:13:06,708 And then as soon as Torben would come in or enter into the room, he changed. 215 00:13:06,791 --> 00:13:10,333 And he was suddenly, I mean, very sweet. 216 00:13:10,958 --> 00:13:13,958 So at some point, Torben found out that this man 217 00:13:14,041 --> 00:13:18,333 was actually causing a lot of problems, and he decided to remove him 218 00:13:18,416 --> 00:13:19,333 from the organization. 219 00:13:19,416 --> 00:13:23,333 I got a call from a friend, he said: Hey, if Torben is going to fire this man, 220 00:13:23,666 --> 00:13:25,625 please make sure to change all your passwords 221 00:13:25,708 --> 00:13:27,708 because he will take revenge. 222 00:13:27,833 --> 00:13:28,583 And I was like, Nah... 223 00:13:28,666 --> 00:13:32,791 I couldn't believe it because I was like, it would not be this bad. 224 00:13:32,875 --> 00:13:35,791 I thought I knew this man quite a bit, but he said: No, 225 00:13:35,958 --> 00:13:37,333 it's really bad with this man. 226 00:13:37,416 --> 00:13:39,208 You have to do this. 227 00:13:39,291 --> 00:13:41,083 So I was okay, if you say so. 228 00:13:41,166 --> 00:13:44,416 And actually I didn't believe it, but I changed a lot of passwords, 229 00:13:45,666 --> 00:13:47,666 but I didn't take it so seriously. 230 00:13:48,500 --> 00:13:51,250 A few months later, I found out that actually I forgot 231 00:13:51,333 --> 00:13:53,666 to change some passwords and some really important ones. 232 00:13:53,750 --> 00:13:58,416 So someone logged in into our systems and basically deleted everything 233 00:13:59,041 --> 00:14:00,958 they could find to destroy, to delete. 234 00:14:01,041 --> 00:14:05,083 So, that day we lost all our websites, we lost a lot of domain names 235 00:14:05,916 --> 00:14:09,208 in different accounts, and it was a big disaster. 236 00:14:09,708 --> 00:14:13,666 I think there was more than a year of work completely destroyed. 237 00:14:13,750 --> 00:14:16,416 And for me personally, it was like, how can someone be so evil? 238 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:21,250 Because I spent so much time myself already in all this, these things, 239 00:14:21,375 --> 00:14:24,541 and just deleting everything and destroying everything, 240 00:14:24,625 --> 00:14:28,125 including the backups, because the backups were also included in this system. 241 00:14:28,208 --> 00:14:30,833 Of course I cannot prove that it was this man, 242 00:14:31,375 --> 00:14:33,750 but I know one thing that I was warned beforehand 243 00:14:33,833 --> 00:14:36,791 to change all the passwords because he would take revenge 244 00:14:36,916 --> 00:14:38,583 and then later this happens. 245 00:14:38,666 --> 00:14:42,250 It's a funny thing that sometimes our strengths 246 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,041 can become our weaknesses spiritually. 247 00:14:45,166 --> 00:14:48,250 You know, the the thing that we have a really strong calling 248 00:14:48,333 --> 00:14:54,375 can also be if it's turned inward rather than toward God, 249 00:14:54,458 --> 00:14:58,416 if it's turned inward, it can become something very destructive 250 00:14:58,791 --> 00:15:04,125 because we've got a lot of perhaps skill or talent that's been given 251 00:15:04,208 --> 00:15:05,708 in those areas. 252 00:15:05,791 --> 00:15:10,083 So I see that with this gentleman, it's a very sad thing 253 00:15:10,166 --> 00:15:13,333 because he is somebody who wanted desperately 254 00:15:13,416 --> 00:15:18,708 to amount to something big in the Kingdom and instead of that, 255 00:15:18,791 --> 00:15:24,000 has found himself involved in something really bitter and quite twisted. 256 00:15:24,125 --> 00:15:25,583 And that's sad. 257 00:15:25,666 --> 00:15:27,166 That's a terrible thing. 258 00:15:27,250 --> 00:15:30,375 And I think that's also why God allows things to happen 259 00:15:30,458 --> 00:15:33,125 as long as He does, because He loves us. 260 00:15:33,375 --> 00:15:37,208 He loves us dearly, He loves our enemies as much as He loves us. 261 00:15:37,750 --> 00:15:40,708 I've still you know, I still care a lot for this guy. 262 00:15:41,291 --> 00:15:43,916 I pray for him, and I hope that he will turn to God. 263 00:15:44,708 --> 00:15:46,708 So that's my hope. 264 00:15:52,375 --> 00:15:54,833 But something else happened that same year. 265 00:15:56,583 --> 00:16:00,458 A lady we will call Alice comes to faith in Jesus Christ. 266 00:16:00,541 --> 00:16:01,791 She has a friend. 267 00:16:01,875 --> 00:16:03,875 Let's name him Gabriel. 268 00:16:04,291 --> 00:16:07,625 Gabriel is a businessman of French nationality. 269 00:16:08,333 --> 00:16:11,833 When he hears that Alice is going to one of Torben's schools, 270 00:16:11,958 --> 00:16:14,916 he doesn't like it because he doesn't believe in God 271 00:16:15,166 --> 00:16:17,166 and hates Christianity. 272 00:16:17,541 --> 00:16:21,125 On top of that, Alice decides to break up with Gabriel 273 00:16:21,208 --> 00:16:23,208 because the relationship is not good. 274 00:16:23,291 --> 00:16:27,958 We called a friend of Alice, who was with her during Torben’s Bible School. 275 00:16:28,250 --> 00:16:33,291 I remember that this guy, he was actually married with another woman 276 00:16:33,375 --> 00:16:38,791 and that my friend was with him over a couple of years 277 00:16:39,333 --> 00:16:43,208 and which means they were having an affair. 278 00:16:43,291 --> 00:16:45,541 From that moment on, he stalks her. 279 00:16:47,708 --> 00:16:52,125 So this guy, he thought that she has gone into a sect 280 00:16:52,416 --> 00:16:58,291 and he was kind of searching everything, what he could from the ministry. 281 00:16:58,541 --> 00:17:03,041 And he was very much against this because he kind of lost her 282 00:17:03,125 --> 00:17:04,958 because of her faith in Jesus. 283 00:17:05,041 --> 00:17:09,458 And he wanted kind of to take her out of this, uh, 284 00:17:09,541 --> 00:17:12,208 and so that he could have her back. 285 00:17:12,291 --> 00:17:16,458 What I understand is that he became someone 286 00:17:16,541 --> 00:17:22,541 that would persecute the whole, uh, ministry with everything he could. 287 00:17:22,625 --> 00:17:24,458 He was very much against it. 288 00:17:24,541 --> 00:17:26,875 The staff and fellow students of that school 289 00:17:26,958 --> 00:17:30,500 received friend requests through Facebook from a Christian lady 290 00:17:30,583 --> 00:17:33,208 with the name of Olivia Tennenbaum. 291 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:37,750 The account spread false information about Torben and his ministry 292 00:17:37,958 --> 00:17:41,791 and repeatedly used the word 'cult' to address the ministry. 293 00:17:42,500 --> 00:17:44,500 But no one seemed to know her. 294 00:17:44,666 --> 00:17:48,125 It became clear to Alice that this Olivia Tennenbaum 295 00:17:48,208 --> 00:17:51,625 is actually her ex-boyfriend spreading this information. 296 00:17:54,708 --> 00:18:01,000 Yeah, I remember some of the profiles that, uh, all of a sudden was friend 297 00:18:01,083 --> 00:18:04,208 with everyone that we knew, the things that were shared 298 00:18:04,291 --> 00:18:06,708 on the profile, it was very much against Torben. 299 00:18:07,125 --> 00:18:09,125 So much hate, so much bashing. 300 00:18:10,458 --> 00:18:13,791 We asked Alice if she wanted to cooperate with this episode, 301 00:18:13,958 --> 00:18:17,833 but she declined because she is afraid of what this man would do to her. 302 00:18:18,166 --> 00:18:21,666 It has now been seven years since she ended the relationship 303 00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:24,083 and this man is still stalking her. 304 00:18:24,666 --> 00:18:28,666 She describes this man as rich, influential and even 305 00:18:28,750 --> 00:18:31,000 with contacts in the US government. 306 00:18:31,291 --> 00:18:34,625 He also threatened her to not go public with her story 307 00:18:34,750 --> 00:18:36,750 and not to mention his name. 308 00:18:37,041 --> 00:18:40,583 He is the one who wrote the email we quoted at the beginning 309 00:18:40,666 --> 00:18:42,208 of this episode. 310 00:18:42,291 --> 00:18:44,958 I'm happy to hear you are going to the US. 311 00:18:45,208 --> 00:18:48,583 There I will be able to really take care of you 312 00:18:48,666 --> 00:18:50,666 and your ugly cult. 313 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Also several other people we ask to tell their story 314 00:18:55,083 --> 00:18:56,791 for this episode said no. 315 00:18:56,875 --> 00:19:01,541 They said: this man is dangerous and I don't want him to come after me 316 00:19:01,625 --> 00:19:03,625 and my family. 317 00:19:04,333 --> 00:19:07,958 He also wrote to other people involved in Torben's ministry. 318 00:19:08,833 --> 00:19:12,833 Yes. I also received a message from this man back in 2020 319 00:19:13,208 --> 00:19:16,875 when on the TV in my home country in the Netherlands, 320 00:19:17,208 --> 00:19:20,500 there was a program that was very similar to the program in Denmark, 321 00:19:21,125 --> 00:19:22,458 The program is basically the same. 322 00:19:22,541 --> 00:19:24,041 It has Torben, it has the child abuse. 323 00:19:24,125 --> 00:19:26,166 All these lies are also in there. 324 00:19:26,291 --> 00:19:29,541 And after the program, I receive an email from this man 325 00:19:29,916 --> 00:19:33,291 who is hiding behind a fake account, Laura Palmare, 326 00:19:33,666 --> 00:19:37,541 and he writes: Once I told you I'm not the kind of guy 327 00:19:37,625 --> 00:19:41,208 you are used to deal with, and he ends with more to come. 328 00:19:41,291 --> 00:19:42,875 Get your suitcases ready. 329 00:19:42,958 --> 00:19:46,125 Always making sure to not mention his name. 330 00:19:46,208 --> 00:19:48,208 I forgot one last thing. 331 00:19:48,375 --> 00:19:52,000 Don't you ever mention my name on any social media? 332 00:19:52,166 --> 00:19:53,083 I will know it. 333 00:19:53,166 --> 00:19:56,291 And I promise you that you will have serious reason 334 00:19:56,541 --> 00:19:57,916 to fear my wrath. 335 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,291 Obviously, Alice didn't tell you everything 336 00:20:00,666 --> 00:20:02,125 about who I really am. 337 00:20:02,208 --> 00:20:04,250 Don't try to learn it the hard way. 338 00:20:04,333 --> 00:20:07,166 You would regret it deeply. Am I clear? 339 00:20:13,583 --> 00:20:19,583 Somewhere in 2016, Gabriel and Thomas found each other and joined forces. 340 00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:24,416 Several other fake social media accounts appeared. Their sole purpose 341 00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:28,458 was to spread defamatory information about Torben and his ministry. 342 00:20:28,708 --> 00:20:32,791 They created a narrative where Torben's ministry was a 'cult' 343 00:20:33,166 --> 00:20:36,166 and Torben was the 'dangerous cult leader'. 344 00:20:38,166 --> 00:20:41,708 Besides the fake profiles, anonymous reports were sent 345 00:20:41,791 --> 00:20:44,666 to various government organizations in Denmark. 346 00:20:44,916 --> 00:20:49,083 The fire department got an anonymous call that there was a fire hazard. 347 00:20:49,541 --> 00:20:51,708 They checked and everything was fine. 348 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,000 The food control came. 349 00:20:54,208 --> 00:20:57,166 They got a report that the kitchen at the Bible school facility 350 00:20:57,250 --> 00:20:59,250 was dirty and there were rats. 351 00:20:59,333 --> 00:21:01,875 They checked and everything was fine. 352 00:21:02,916 --> 00:21:05,791 The Workers Association got a report that there were people 353 00:21:05,875 --> 00:21:09,083 working at the ministry that were not authorized to work. 354 00:21:09,375 --> 00:21:12,208 They checked and everything was okay. 355 00:21:12,541 --> 00:21:16,208 The tax agency was told that the ministry was evading taxes 356 00:21:16,291 --> 00:21:19,125 and they requested the books for the last two years. 357 00:21:19,291 --> 00:21:21,041 Everything turned out fine. 358 00:21:21,125 --> 00:21:26,208 A Wikipedia page was also created with defamatory information about Torben. 359 00:21:26,625 --> 00:21:30,291 Wikipedia moderators decided that the page needed to be removed. 360 00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:36,083 When Torben was doing a kickstart in France, 361 00:21:36,166 --> 00:21:37,458 the police showed up. 362 00:21:37,541 --> 00:21:39,958 They had received reports that Torben's ministry 363 00:21:40,041 --> 00:21:43,416 was a dangerous cult and were investigating the matter. 364 00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:48,083 People got baptized, set free, received the Holy Spirit, so beautiful. 365 00:21:48,250 --> 00:21:50,375 And in the middle of the most beautiful thing, 366 00:21:50,458 --> 00:21:53,458 the police come, three policemen standing outside 367 00:21:53,875 --> 00:21:55,041 and want to close us down. 368 00:21:55,125 --> 00:21:58,041 And they say something with the building and the man who owns the building. 369 00:21:58,125 --> 00:21:59,916 But we know it's just an attack. 370 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,500 And what to do now? 371 00:22:01,583 --> 00:22:03,166 We have no idea. 372 00:22:03,250 --> 00:22:06,166 800 people. We have no idea. 373 00:22:06,250 --> 00:22:09,583 After we showed them all the paperwork and they saw all the people, 374 00:22:10,166 --> 00:22:11,250 they never came again. 375 00:22:11,333 --> 00:22:14,500 And we were able to move on with the Kickstart with no problems. 376 00:22:14,583 --> 00:22:18,250 It didn't stop there because as soon as we went to the airport 377 00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:24,458 to fly back to Denmark, the police came to check all our bags suddenly again, 378 00:22:24,541 --> 00:22:27,250 and they took us all into a special room. 379 00:22:28,166 --> 00:22:31,541 It was very strange and they went through all our bags, 380 00:22:31,958 --> 00:22:34,583 all our stuff and just opened and took stuff out. 381 00:22:35,291 --> 00:22:38,208 And we just had no idea of what was going on. 382 00:22:38,291 --> 00:22:42,000 And then apparently they told us that they got a report for someone 383 00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:45,291 that we had a lot of money, a lot of cash in our bags. 384 00:22:46,291 --> 00:22:47,458 And it was just strange. 385 00:22:47,541 --> 00:22:48,666 Very, very strange. 386 00:22:48,750 --> 00:22:51,083 And of course, we didn't have anything, so they didn't found it. 387 00:22:51,166 --> 00:22:53,166 And then in the end, they let us go. 388 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,000 But it was just... we started to become very curious about who this person was 389 00:22:59,083 --> 00:23:02,875 because it was like it kept coming again and again and again 390 00:23:03,250 --> 00:23:06,583 that someone would call in to the police and ask them 391 00:23:06,958 --> 00:23:10,041 to check us and to go through us because we were 'dangerous'. 392 00:23:10,125 --> 00:23:16,708 And yeah. But anyway, I mean, Torben never really wasted too much time on it. 393 00:23:16,791 --> 00:23:18,208 He was just so focused on the gospel. 394 00:23:18,291 --> 00:23:19,541 So he moved on. 395 00:23:19,625 --> 00:23:24,875 Month of April, I actually did a kickstart in Switzerland in a city called Lausanne. 396 00:23:25,791 --> 00:23:29,583 During that time, for what I remember, I was excited 397 00:23:29,666 --> 00:23:32,333 and we were preparing to start with the Kickstart. 398 00:23:32,583 --> 00:23:35,750 One of my friends, she actually came to me and she actually told me 399 00:23:35,833 --> 00:23:40,500 in a surprising way that there are police who are outside of the building. 400 00:23:40,791 --> 00:23:44,958 They had a document and someone had made a big complaint 401 00:23:45,083 --> 00:23:48,666 about Torben Sondergaard, about The Last Reformation, 402 00:23:48,791 --> 00:23:52,833 that we were a sect, something to do 403 00:23:53,208 --> 00:23:53,458 . 404 00:23:53,541 --> 00:23:55,416 Autistic and hypnosis. 405 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:56,333 Hypnosis, a whole. 406 00:23:56,416 --> 00:23:56,958 Lot of things. 407 00:23:57,041 --> 00:23:58,708 And we are dangerous. It was from. 408 00:23:58,791 --> 00:24:00,541 Some place near Geneva. 409 00:24:00,625 --> 00:24:02,083 We don't know, it was not signed. 410 00:24:03,208 --> 00:24:06,166 Over the years, these people have continued their mission 411 00:24:06,375 --> 00:24:10,125 and through their fake accounts, they have been clear about their goals. 412 00:24:10,333 --> 00:24:13,583 We will continue until Torben and his ministry 413 00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:15,750 are completely destroyed. 414 00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:23,291 Hey, Toby Boy, I have to say, I am really enjoying 415 00:24:23,375 --> 00:24:25,875 watching you slowly going down. 416 00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:30,250 Soon there will be nothing left of your freaking cult. 417 00:24:31,166 --> 00:24:34,958 Maybe you should have listened to me when I asked you for help for Alice, 418 00:24:35,291 --> 00:24:37,291 you arrogant moron. 419 00:24:37,833 --> 00:24:41,875 When Torben was approached by a production company in 2017, 420 00:24:41,958 --> 00:24:45,791 he had no idea that Gabriel and Thomas were involved. 421 00:24:50,208 --> 00:24:53,916 Towards the end of filming, Torben realised that he had been betrayed 422 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,291 and that the film crew was in contact with his persecutors. 423 00:24:58,333 --> 00:25:00,958 When he found out, he called the producer. 424 00:25:09,125 --> 00:25:11,333 He confronted him with his dishonesty. 425 00:25:11,416 --> 00:25:14,583 The producer excused himself and said it was part 426 00:25:14,666 --> 00:25:18,041 of the journalistic process to hear both sides of the story. 427 00:25:18,375 --> 00:25:20,666 But was this fair journalism? 428 00:25:21,458 --> 00:25:24,458 We have received information suggesting that Gabriel, 429 00:25:24,583 --> 00:25:27,333 the businessman from France, paid the salaries 430 00:25:27,416 --> 00:25:30,541 of the undercover journalists you saw in our last episode. 431 00:25:30,791 --> 00:25:34,791 The source of this information is someone close to Gabriel. 432 00:25:35,625 --> 00:25:40,791 If this is true, then Torben's persecutors have helped fund God's Best Children. 433 00:25:41,916 --> 00:25:44,000 We contacted one of the journalists. 434 00:25:44,125 --> 00:25:48,458 He said that he felt sorry for Torben, but that for 'legal reasons' 435 00:25:48,541 --> 00:25:50,541 he could not answer our questions. 436 00:25:51,625 --> 00:25:54,625 When we watch the God's Best Children documentary, 437 00:25:54,791 --> 00:25:58,625 we see the presence of both Thomas and Gabriel everywhere. 438 00:25:58,833 --> 00:26:03,416 For example, we see a representative of the organization InsideOut. 439 00:26:04,041 --> 00:26:07,375 According to their website, InsideOut provides support to people 440 00:26:07,458 --> 00:26:09,833 who have broken with a destructive community. 441 00:26:10,083 --> 00:26:13,875 Their website lists Thomas as chairman of the organization. 442 00:26:15,166 --> 00:26:18,166 Bente Boserup, who we saw in our first episode, 443 00:26:18,250 --> 00:26:24,000 is also listed on the InsideOut website as a child specialist consultant. 444 00:26:25,208 --> 00:26:28,541 These people are not independent experts. 445 00:26:28,875 --> 00:26:31,500 They know each other and work with Thomas. 446 00:26:35,583 --> 00:26:39,500 In the program, we see this couple who criticized Torben. 447 00:26:39,916 --> 00:26:43,500 They are friends of Thomas and were under Thomas influence. 448 00:26:43,958 --> 00:26:47,166 When asked why they agreed to appear on the program, 449 00:26:47,333 --> 00:26:49,750 they said that Thomas asked them to do it. 450 00:26:50,708 --> 00:26:55,291 They share a misleading story about Alice, the ex-girlfriend of Gabriel. 451 00:26:57,416 --> 00:26:59,833 So are you worried for her life? Yeah. 452 00:27:00,875 --> 00:27:03,250 I've been since the first day. 453 00:27:04,166 --> 00:27:07,541 We also see this man talking about his friend. 454 00:27:07,916 --> 00:27:11,750 He appears at the end of the last episode of God's Best Children 455 00:27:11,875 --> 00:27:14,208 and his identity is not revealed. 456 00:27:14,291 --> 00:27:16,291 This is Gabriel. 457 00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:20,416 He is the man that has been stalking his girlfriend, Alice, for years. 458 00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:24,166 She has repeatedly told Gabriel to get out of her life, 459 00:27:24,458 --> 00:27:26,208 but he continues to pursue her. 460 00:27:26,291 --> 00:27:30,541 And since this thing started, everything collapsed. 461 00:27:31,166 --> 00:27:34,083 She can actually commit suicide in a blink. 462 00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:36,500 Nobody is here to see what's going on. 463 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,750 Everything can happen. 464 00:27:38,833 --> 00:27:39,916 And they don't know what they're doing. 465 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,708 It's this Last Reformation thing is like a mental institution 466 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,500 where patients are trying to help patients. 467 00:27:48,083 --> 00:27:49,250 They are all crazy. 468 00:27:49,333 --> 00:27:52,291 She can actually commit suicide in a blink. 469 00:27:52,458 --> 00:27:56,083 Gabriel says Alice could commit suicide in a blink. 470 00:27:56,416 --> 00:28:00,250 But here we are today, 4 years later, and Alice is fine. 471 00:28:00,458 --> 00:28:04,166 She is not part of Torben's ministry and never has been. 472 00:28:04,583 --> 00:28:07,125 She just followed one of Torben's Bible schools 473 00:28:07,208 --> 00:28:09,875 and is now part of a church in her home country. 474 00:28:10,583 --> 00:28:15,750 He was doing all kind of things to have contact with her, 475 00:28:15,833 --> 00:28:20,000 even though she blocked immediately every possible door. 476 00:28:20,166 --> 00:28:24,750 He kept finding another door to just try to have contact with her. 477 00:28:24,833 --> 00:28:27,416 He were also sending her flowers. 478 00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:33,250 He, um, tried to have contact with other students at the school 479 00:28:33,333 --> 00:28:38,625 as well as create multiple Facebook profiles. 480 00:28:38,708 --> 00:28:43,208 Typically, it was female pictures and names he was using. 481 00:28:43,541 --> 00:28:44,875 She was really done with this guy. 482 00:28:44,958 --> 00:28:47,500 She didn't want to have anything to do with him. 483 00:28:48,125 --> 00:28:52,541 She didn't even consider to go back to him and she just 484 00:28:52,625 --> 00:28:55,083 wanted him to leave her alone. 485 00:28:55,166 --> 00:28:58,916 She decided to follow Jesus with everything she had. 486 00:29:08,208 --> 00:29:11,041 Around the time Torben realized that the production company 487 00:29:11,125 --> 00:29:14,041 was working with his persecutors, he and his family 488 00:29:14,125 --> 00:29:16,250 received a visit from the Municipality. 489 00:29:16,708 --> 00:29:21,083 They had received a report that children were being abused in their home. 490 00:29:23,208 --> 00:29:26,541 At the same time, a YouTube channel linked to Gabriel 491 00:29:26,625 --> 00:29:30,375 uploaded this video making the same claim of child abuse. 492 00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:34,291 It was a very threatening situation because in Denmark 493 00:29:34,375 --> 00:29:38,041 and other European countries, the child protection authorities 494 00:29:38,125 --> 00:29:39,750 have a lot of power. 495 00:29:39,833 --> 00:29:44,541 Sadly, there are several examples of authorities making bad decisions 496 00:29:44,625 --> 00:29:48,500 and removing children from their parents based on false information. 497 00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:52,916 This was a very intimidating situation for Torben and Lene 498 00:29:53,541 --> 00:29:56,666 because these authorities have the power to remove children 499 00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:59,458 if they suspect any wrongdoing in the family. 500 00:30:03,791 --> 00:30:06,583 Sometimes I get up to three calls per day from people 501 00:30:06,666 --> 00:30:08,916 fearing a forced adoption of their children. 502 00:30:09,416 --> 00:30:13,666 This became more real when Torben was publicly declared guilty. 503 00:30:14,833 --> 00:30:17,875 We agree with children's condition that this kind of behaviour 504 00:30:17,958 --> 00:30:20,416 can be described as psychological abuse. 505 00:30:20,625 --> 00:30:24,750 It was likely for authorities to take action at some point. 506 00:30:25,458 --> 00:30:27,708 Now, do you see the pattern? 507 00:30:27,958 --> 00:30:33,750 These individuals pushed the government but also the media into unjust actions. 508 00:30:33,958 --> 00:30:37,958 Later we will see the same thing happening in the USA. 509 00:30:38,958 --> 00:30:42,458 After the programmes aired on Danish TV, Torben and Lene 510 00:30:42,541 --> 00:30:46,000 fled to the United States and decided to stay there for a while 511 00:30:47,250 --> 00:30:50,625 Seeing the ongoing discussion in the media and government, 512 00:30:50,708 --> 00:30:53,666 they concluded: These people that are persecuting us, 513 00:30:53,958 --> 00:30:55,625 they are not going to stop. 514 00:30:55,708 --> 00:31:01,333 The people of Denmark buy in to their lies and this will continue until I'm in jail. 515 00:31:02,083 --> 00:31:04,875 Torben was advised to apply for asylum. 516 00:31:05,166 --> 00:31:10,000 He did not know that his persecutors had already contacted Homeland Security. 517 00:31:10,291 --> 00:31:16,916 A memo we received, states: On March 27th, 2019, the ICE Homeland Security 518 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,083 Investigations Fort Myers office received information 519 00:31:20,166 --> 00:31:23,250 that Sondergaard was defrauding the sick and elderly 520 00:31:23,375 --> 00:31:25,125 and abusing children. 521 00:31:25,125 --> 00:31:28,625 But why did Torben end up in prison in the United States? 522 00:31:29,291 --> 00:31:32,681 And how were Thomas and Gabriel involved in this? 523 00:31:32,836 --> 00:31:37,625 that we will share in our next episode.