[Script Info] Title: [Events] Format: Layer, Start, End, Style, Name, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, Effect, Text Dialogue: 0,1:00:11.08,1:00:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}There are going to be big programs.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:13.33,1:00:15.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The 2nd of January here in Denmark.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:15.79,1:00:18.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I thought they were doing a documentary\Nabout The Last Reformation,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:18.71,1:00:22.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}but they've done a documentary\Nwhere they talk about other ministries{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:22.50,1:00:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}that have gone really wrong in Denmark.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:24.79,1:00:29.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We will go to America\Nand we will be there more.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:29.33,1:00:34.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We actually be five months\Nin America next year. All in all.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:37.67,1:00:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I really enjoyed your last video.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:41.25,1:00:43.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I'm happy to hear you're going\Nto the United States.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:43.88,1:00:47.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}There I will be able\Nto really take care of you{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:47.96,1:00:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and your ugly cult.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:50.00,1:00:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}You destroyed Alice's life.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:52.92,1:00:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}You are a sick person.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:54.58,1:00:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And I warned you\NI will take care of your cult.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:00:58.42,1:01:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}As long as Alice won't be able\Nto get back to her therapy{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:00.96,1:01:04.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and live a normal life,\NI will be on your back.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:06.62,1:01:10.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Previously on our series,\Nwe have revealed compelling evidence{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:10.33,1:01:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}that the TV program God's Best Children\Nwas not an honest portrayal of Torben{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:16.25,1:01:17.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and his ministry.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:17.29,1:01:20.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It was rather a calculated attempt\Nto discredit him.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:21.38,1:01:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The goal is to bring Torben\Nand his ministry down.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:25.38,1:01:28.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They tried to get what they wanted\Nthrough politics{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:28.38,1:01:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}by proposing new laws\Nthat were tailor made to target Torben.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:32.96,1:01:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Many of you have probably followed\Nthe documentary God's Best Children.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:37.17,1:01:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And seeing how a preacher\Ncommits demonic exorcisms in front{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:40.58,1:01:42.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}of shaking and crying children.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:43.38,1:01:46.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We agree with children's condition\Nthat this kind of behavior{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:46.79,1:01:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}can be described as psychological abuse.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:50.88,1:01:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They also twisted the truth\Nby misusing existing laws.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:55.21,1:01:57.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We have asked a number\Nof health commissioners{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:01:57.62,1:02:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}to watch TV2's hidden recording\Nof Torben Sondergaard.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:01.04,1:02:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It's simply quackery.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:02.21,1:02:04.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It is deeply, deeply worrying.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:05.08,1:02:09.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Another tactic used was linking Torben\Nwith convicted criminals,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:09.21,1:02:12.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}which caused public outrage against him\Nacross the country.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:12.88,1:02:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}This man is downright dangerous\Nand what he practises should be illegal.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:17.12,1:02:21.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}In an attempt to discredit him further,\Nthey offered him a large sum of money,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:21.79,1:02:23.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}hoping to trap him financially.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:24.92,1:02:30.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Torben Sondergaard, a pastor from Denmark,\Nis being detained in Florida{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:30.29,1:02:32.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}without any formal charges.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:33.04,1:02:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}With this video series,\Nwe want to make you aware of his case{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:37.12,1:02:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and we will show you evidence\Nthat there is a fight going on,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:40.50,1:02:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}a fight over the gospel of Jesus Christ.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:43.75,1:02:47.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It is an incredible story where things\Nare not always what they seem.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:47.83,1:02:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}In this{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:55.42,1:02:59.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}episode, we will show you\Nthat Torben is actually being persecuted{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:02:59.83,1:03:01.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}for his faith in Jesus Christ.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:02.75,1:03:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}To be persecuted means to harass or punish\Nin a manner{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:06.96,1:03:09.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}designed to injure, grieve or afflict.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:10.58,1:03:14.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Jesus said a servant is not greater\Nthan his master.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:14.71,1:03:18.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}If they persecuted me,\Nthey will also persecute you.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:19.25,1:03:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Paul is saying in one of his letters,\NEveryone who wants to live{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:22.96,1:03:26.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}a godly life\Nin Christ, Jesus will be persecuted.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:27.58,1:03:30.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Should we be surprised when this happens?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:30.83,1:03:32.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Peter answers.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:32.33,1:03:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Do not be surprised at the fiery trial\Nwhen it comes upon you to test you{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:37.04,1:03:39.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}as though something strange\Nwere happening to you.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:41.17,1:03:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}When we follow Jesus Christ\Nand want to live a godly life,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:45.12,1:03:46.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}we will get trouble.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:46.42,1:03:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It's a promise.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:47.42,1:03:49.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But the things\Nthat are happening to Torben{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:50.04,1:03:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}is that actually Christian persecution?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:53.25,1:03:58.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Or is it merely that he made mistakes\Nand he has to face the consequences?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:03:58.58,1:04:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}To answer these questions,\Nlet's first look{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:01.46,1:04:03.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}at how Jesus was persecuted.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:04.17,1:04:08.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Jesus went around doing good,\Nbut he also offended many people.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:08.92,1:04:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He hurt the religious leaders\Nin their pride,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:12.38,1:04:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and they gradually became more\Nand more agitated with Jesus{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:15.92,1:04:17.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and ultimately wanted to kill him.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:18.54,1:04:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Jesus had many followers,\Nbut he had an inner circle of 12 people.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:23.62,1:04:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}However, one of these 12\Nturned against him.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:27.71,1:04:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The reasons for this\Ncould have been greed, disappointment,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:31.33,1:04:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}or even pride as it's written.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:32.96,1:04:33.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}or even pride as it's written.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:34.04,1:04:38.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Satan entered into him\Nand he became an instrument of the enemy{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:38.79,1:04:40.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}to destroy Jesus.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:40.83,1:04:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}After Judas handed Jesus over\Nto the religious leaders,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:44.67,1:04:47.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}these leaders took him to the authorities.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:47.62,1:04:49.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}By applying pressure,\Nthe religious leaders{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:49.92,1:04:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}convinced the authorities\Nto make an unjust decision.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:53.62,1:04:57.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}To maintain peace,\Nthey decided to execute Jesus.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:04:58.33,1:05:02.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But it's important to see that it's Satan\Nwho is working out his plans.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:03.79,1:05:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The battle is not against the government\Nor against these religious leaders.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:08.29,1:05:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The battle is spiritual.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:11.00,1:05:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}In Ephesus, it is written:\N'for our struggle{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:13.96,1:05:17.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}is not against flesh and blood,\Nbut against the rulers,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:17.88,1:05:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}against the authorities,\Nagainst the powers of this dark world{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:21.88,1:05:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and against the spiritual forces\Nof evil in the heavenly realms.'{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:26.92,1:05:28.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Now, you may say, wait a minute.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:28.67,1:05:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}How can you compare Torben to Jesus?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:31.46,1:05:33.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Torben was not persecuted.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:33.38,1:05:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He was simply portrayed\Nin a negative way in a TV program.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:37.33,1:05:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Was that not his own fault?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:39.29,1:05:42.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Shouldn't he have been more cautious\Nand not collaborated{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:42.21,1:05:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}with that production company?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:44.08,1:05:46.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Well, there's more to the story\Nthat you need to know{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:46.88,1:05:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}to fully understand the situation.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:49.38,1:05:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We need to take you back to 2016.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:52.21,1:05:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}That was the year when Torben's ministry\Nreleased a powerful film{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:56.58,1:05:59.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}called The Last Reformation:\NThe beginning.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:05:59.42,1:06:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I was tired of looking for answers\Nand I could not find it anywhere.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:03.58,1:06:06.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}This film gained\Nsignificant worldwide attention{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:06.75,1:06:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and inspired\Nnumerous people to follow Jesus.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:17.54,1:06:21.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}However, it was also the year\Nwhen a fierce battle began.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:22.33,1:06:25.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The forces of darkness\Nbegan to fight back.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:25.75,1:06:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So how did this battle unfold?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:28.75,1:06:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We need to introduce you\Nto two individuals{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:31.17,1:06:34.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}who have been relentlessly\Nattacking Torben since 2016,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:35.12,1:06:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and their campaign continues to this day.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:37.83,1:06:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They've been operating anonymously\Nall these years.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:41.62,1:06:46.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They discredited Torben and his ministry\Nwhile remaining hidden from public view.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:46.75,1:06:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But their false narrative\Nhas been spread everywhere{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:50.00,1:06:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}through the mouths of other people.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:52.50,1:06:56.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The first of these individuals\Nis a citizen of Denmark{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:56.29,1:06:59.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and a former friend of Torben\Nwho had an important position{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:06:59.79,1:07:01.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}in his ministry.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:01.46,1:07:03.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We won't use his real name here{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:03.75,1:07:07.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}because we're not out for revenge {\b0}\N{\b1}or to damage anyone's reputation.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:07.71,1:07:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Let's call him Thomas.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:11.12,1:07:14.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I came to Denmark\Nin 2015 together with my family.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:14.88,1:07:17.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We lived there for over a year.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:17.67,1:07:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We worked with Torben\Nat that time in his organization,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:21.67,1:07:24.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and we also met this man.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:24.46,1:07:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He was a very good listener,\Nand he was someone{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:27.12,1:07:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}who pulled a lot\Nof information from people.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:30.17,1:07:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Very charismatic,\Nbut someone who just managed to come{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:34.96,1:07:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}alongside just about anybody\Nand get them talking{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:38.29,1:07:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and seemed to be somebody\Nthat was really nice,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:43.46,1:07:45.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}seemed very interested in people.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:46.42,1:07:49.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And my first instinct\Nwas to really like him.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:50.58,1:07:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And I felt sorry for him\Nwhen he told me some{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:53.08,1:07:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}of the stories of his life.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:54.50,1:07:59.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And um, yeah, we became friends, I guess.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:07:59.12,1:08:02.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I met him\Nand I connected very good with him.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:02.08,1:08:04.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I actually became good friends with him.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:04.38,1:08:06.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And I remember.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:06.79,1:08:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Uh, getting really close to him.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:11.08,1:08:12.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I liked to work with this man.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:12.71,1:08:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We had good times together.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:14.21,1:08:16.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I had good I have good memories of him.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:16.58,1:08:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}In the beginning\Nhe was actually a really nice person.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:21.17,1:08:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}In that way, he was really involved\Nby helping a lot, where he helped Torben.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:26.08,1:08:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He helped other people,\Nincluding helping me.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:29.21,1:08:36.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He's a very intelligent person and someone\Nthat if he's working for somebody{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:36.62,1:08:39.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}would be an amazing ally.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:40.00,1:08:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Really very clever\Nand one step ahead of everybody.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:45.00,1:08:48.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And if he wants to achieve something\Nor get something done, he would.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:49.58,1:08:51.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He was a very likeable person.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:51.71,1:08:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He was funny. He was very intelligent.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:54.04,1:08:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He had multiple talents.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:55.54,1:08:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He was good in basically\Neverything you would ask him to do,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:08:58.58,1:09:00.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}he would do it.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:03.04,1:09:09.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Extremely intelligent, um,\Nand, uh, shrewd.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:09.88,1:09:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Very shrewd, very shrewd,\Nvery intelligent.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:13.04,1:09:16.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I believe that when he came at first,\Nhe was very sincere.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:16.75,1:09:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He was very sincere with everything.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:18.17,1:09:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He loved what was going on at TLR.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:20.75,1:09:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He loved the way God was moving.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:23.67,1:09:25.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I believe God was touching him as well.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:25.33,1:09:31.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And you could see that he was changing\Nand he would go out on the street,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:31.42,1:09:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}you know, join the kickstarts\Nand everything.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:33.79,1:09:35.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And it was amazing with him.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:35.88,1:09:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But however, after I think around a year,\Num, things started to change with him.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:41.62,1:09:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But there was another side of him\Nor another character of him,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:45.62,1:09:50.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}which I did not see in the beginning,\Nbut I saw later on that he was also very,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:50.79,1:09:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}very a manipulative person.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:53.96,1:09:58.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And because he was very manipulative\Nwhere he was really... he was actually{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:09:58.29,1:10:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}really good at manipulate people\Nand manipulate situations.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:10:02.58,1:10:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And for that reason, he really gained very\Nquickly high position{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:10:07.33,1:10:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}at that place at Jesus Hotel\Nwhere he almost somehow...{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:10:11.25,1:10:16.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}you can say he became like the right hand\Nof Torben at that time.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:10:16.88,1:10:20.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Torben really liked him and trusted him.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:10:20.54,1:10:27.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So he gave him positions\Nand access to basically everything at TLR.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:10:27.75,1:10:30.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Some of those people\Nhe was not happy about,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:10:30.33,1:10:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}he often went to Torben\Nand behind their back{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:10:33.04,1:10:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}where he somehow started to gossip\Nand he tried to manipulate{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:10:38.46,1:10:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}about them to Torben\Nthat they are...{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:10:44.62,1:10:48.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}they have a problem or they need\Nto be sent home and all this kind{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:10:48.46,1:10:52.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}of stuff. And because of this\Nhe often succeed{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:10:53.54,1:10:57.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}that some of those co-workers\Nwere being sent home because of him.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:10:57.58,1:11:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I would say it's not normal behavior\Nto manipulate so many layers deep.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:03.67,1:11:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And it does make that person very powerful\Nin what he's able to achieve{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:08.58,1:11:10.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}if he wants to tear somebody down.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:10.92,1:11:14.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And I did witness\Nsome people being torn down.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:14.62,1:11:19.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But it's very hard\Nwhen you're in it sometimes to see it.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:19.08,1:11:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He'd expressed it,\Nhe'd it said that he was actually jealous{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:22.58,1:11:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}of anybody that got close to Torben.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:25.75,1:11:28.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And so he would remove people\Nwho got close{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:29.04,1:11:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}or manipulate them\Neither one way or the other.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:32.17,1:11:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He would often complain\Nthat he have done... he did a lot,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:37.42,1:11:39.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}but he didn't get enough credit\Nfor what he did.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:40.50,1:11:43.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And that was basically\Nbecause, I mean, Torben{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:43.46,1:11:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}was the main guy on the videos\Nand Torben was the one also preaching{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:49.00,1:11:53.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}when there was a kick start\Nand this guy was more behind the scene.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:53.83,1:11:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So he pulled me aside one evening.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:11:57.08,1:12:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He felt like there was not enough\Nof credit given to him,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:02.96,1:12:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}aid given to him like a place to live,\Na nice place to live.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:06.92,1:12:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He was bitter and angry\Nand complaining a lot because of that.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:13.67,1:12:17.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}At some point, this man really started\Nto work against Torben.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:17.54,1:12:21.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He started to talk really bad about him,\Nbut at the same time,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:21.38,1:12:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}he showed the Torben a really nice face.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:23.21,1:12:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So Torben had no idea.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:24.46,1:12:28.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He thought this was my best friend,\Nsomeone who's helping me a lot.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:28.54,1:12:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But to other people,\Nhe would say things like,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:31.29,1:12:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Torben hurt me a lot,\Nand he started to try{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:35.71,1:12:38.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and convince other people\Nhow bad Torben actually is.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:39.29,1:12:42.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And he would actually manipulate\Nthe situation in such way{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:42.42,1:12:45.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}that Torben was at one point\Nremoved from his own organization.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:45.83,1:12:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It was almost like he wanted me\Nto hate Torben as well.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:49.00,1:12:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It was almost like he wanted me\Nto turn my back on Torben{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:52.21,1:12:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}as well and join his side.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:54.42,1:12:57.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And I found out later on\Nthat he would do the same to other people,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:12:57.96,1:13:01.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}that he will also talk\Nto them bad about Torben.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:01.58,1:13:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And then as soon as Torben would come in\Nor enter into the room, he changed.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:06.79,1:13:10.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And he was suddenly, I mean, very sweet.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:10.96,1:13:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So at some point, Torben found out\Nthat this man{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:14.04,1:13:18.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}was actually causing a lot of problems,\Nand he decided to remove him{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:18.42,1:13:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}from the organization.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:19.42,1:13:23.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I got a call from a friend, he said: Hey,\Nif Torben is going to fire this man,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:23.67,1:13:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}please make sure\Nto change all your passwords{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:25.71,1:13:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}because he will take revenge.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:27.83,1:13:28.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And I was like, Nah...{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:28.67,1:13:32.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I couldn't believe it because I was\Nlike, it would not be this bad.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:32.88,1:13:35.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I thought I knew this man quite a bit,\Nbut he said: No,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:35.96,1:13:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}it's really bad with this man.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:37.42,1:13:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}You have to do this.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:39.29,1:13:41.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So I was okay, if you say so.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:41.17,1:13:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And actually I didn't believe it,\Nbut I changed a lot of passwords,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:45.67,1:13:47.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}but I didn't take it so seriously.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:48.50,1:13:51.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}A few months later, I found out\Nthat actually I forgot{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:51.33,1:13:53.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}to change some passwords\Nand some really important ones.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:53.75,1:13:58.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So someone logged in into our systems\Nand basically deleted everything{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:13:59.04,1:14:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}they could find to destroy, to delete.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:01.04,1:14:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So, that day we lost all our websites,\Nwe lost a lot of domain names{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:05.92,1:14:09.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}in different accounts,\Nand it was a big disaster.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:09.71,1:14:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I think there was more than a year of work\Ncompletely destroyed.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:13.75,1:14:16.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And for me personally, it was like,\Nhow can someone be so evil?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:16.50,1:14:21.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Because I spent so much time\Nmyself already in all this, these things,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:21.38,1:14:24.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and just deleting everything\Nand destroying everything,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:24.62,1:14:28.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}including the backups, because the backups\Nwere also included in this system.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:28.21,1:14:30.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Of course I cannot prove\Nthat it was this man,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:31.38,1:14:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}but I know one thing\Nthat I was warned beforehand{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:33.83,1:14:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}to change all the passwords\Nbecause he would take revenge{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:36.92,1:14:38.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and then later this happens.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:38.67,1:14:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It's a funny thing\Nthat sometimes our strengths{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:43.00,1:14:45.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}can become our weaknesses spiritually.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:45.17,1:14:48.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}You know, the the thing\Nthat we have a really strong calling{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:48.33,1:14:54.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}can also be if it's turned\Ninward rather than toward God,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:54.46,1:14:58.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}if it's turned inward,\Nit can become something very destructive{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:14:58.79,1:15:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}because we've got a lot of perhaps skill\Nor talent that's been given{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:04.21,1:15:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}in those areas.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:05.79,1:15:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So I see that with this gentleman,\Nit's a very sad thing{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:10.17,1:15:13.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}because he is somebody\Nwho wanted desperately{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:13.42,1:15:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}to amount to something big in the Kingdom\Nand instead of that,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:18.79,1:15:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}has found himself involved in something\Nreally bitter and quite twisted.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:24.12,1:15:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And that's sad.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:25.67,1:15:27.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}That's a terrible thing.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:27.25,1:15:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And I think that's also\Nwhy God allows things to happen{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:30.46,1:15:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}as long as He does, because He loves us.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:33.38,1:15:37.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He loves us dearly, He loves our enemies\Nas much as He loves us.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:37.75,1:15:40.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I've still you know, I still\Ncare a lot for this guy.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:41.29,1:15:43.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I pray for him,\Nand I hope that he will turn to God.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:44.71,1:15:46.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So that's my hope.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:52.38,1:15:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But something else happened\Nthat same year.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:15:56.58,1:16:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}A lady we will call Alice\Ncomes to faith in Jesus Christ.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:00.54,1:16:01.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}She has a friend.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:01.88,1:16:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Let's name him Gabriel.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:04.29,1:16:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Gabriel is a businessman\Nof French nationality.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:08.33,1:16:11.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}When he hears that Alice is going to one\Nof Torben's schools,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:11.96,1:16:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}he doesn't like it\Nbecause he doesn't believe in God{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:15.17,1:16:17.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and hates Christianity.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:17.54,1:16:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}On top of that, Alice\Ndecides to break up with Gabriel{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:21.21,1:16:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}because the relationship is not good.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:23.29,1:16:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We called a friend of Alice, who was {\b0}\N{\b1}with her during Torben’s Bible School.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:28.25,1:16:33.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I remember that this guy,\Nhe was actually married with another woman{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:33.38,1:16:38.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and that my friend was with him\Nover a couple of years{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:39.33,1:16:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and which means\Nthey were having an affair.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:43.29,1:16:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}From that moment on, he stalks her.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:47.71,1:16:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So this guy,\Nhe thought that she has gone into a sect{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:52.42,1:16:58.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and he was kind of searching everything,\Nwhat he could from the ministry.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:16:58.54,1:17:03.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And he was very much against this\Nbecause he kind of lost her{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:03.12,1:17:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}because of her faith in Jesus.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:05.04,1:17:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And he wanted kind of\Nto take her out of this, uh,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:09.54,1:17:12.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and so that he could have her back.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:12.29,1:17:16.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}What I understand\Nis that he became someone{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:16.54,1:17:22.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}that would persecute the whole, uh,\Nministry with everything he could.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:22.62,1:17:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He was very much against it.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:24.54,1:17:26.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The staff and fellow students\Nof that school{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:26.96,1:17:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}received friend requests through Facebook\Nfrom a Christian lady{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:30.58,1:17:33.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}with the name of Olivia Tennenbaum.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:33.50,1:17:37.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The account spread false information\Nabout Torben and his ministry{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:37.96,1:17:41.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and repeatedly used the word 'cult'\Nto address the ministry.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:42.50,1:17:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But no one seemed to know her.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:44.67,1:17:48.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It became clear to Alice\Nthat this Olivia Tennenbaum{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:48.21,1:17:51.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}is actually her ex-boyfriend\Nspreading this information.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:17:54.71,1:18:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Yeah, I remember some of the profiles\Nthat, uh, all of a sudden was friend{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:01.08,1:18:04.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}with everyone that we knew,\Nthe things that were shared{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:04.29,1:18:06.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}on the profile,\Nit was very much against Torben.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:07.12,1:18:09.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So much hate, so much bashing.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:10.46,1:18:13.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We asked Alice if she wanted to cooperate\Nwith this episode,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:13.96,1:18:17.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}but she declined because she is afraid\Nof what this man would do to her.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:18.17,1:18:21.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It has now been seven years\Nsince she ended the relationship{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:21.75,1:18:24.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and this man is still stalking her.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:24.67,1:18:28.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}She describes this man as rich,\Ninfluential and even{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:28.75,1:18:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}with contacts in the US government.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:31.29,1:18:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He also threatened her to not go public\Nwith her story{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:34.75,1:18:36.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and not to mention his name.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:37.04,1:18:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He is the one who wrote the email\Nwe quoted at the beginning{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:40.67,1:18:42.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}of this episode.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:42.29,1:18:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I'm happy to hear you are going to the US.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:45.21,1:18:48.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}There I will be able\Nto really take care of you{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:48.67,1:18:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and your ugly cult.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:52.00,1:18:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Also several other people\Nwe ask to tell their story{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:55.08,1:18:56.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}for this episode said no.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:18:56.88,1:19:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They said: this man is dangerous\Nand I don't want him to come after me{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:01.62,1:19:03.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and my family.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:04.33,1:19:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He also wrote to other people\Ninvolved in Torben's ministry.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:08.83,1:19:12.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Yes. I also received a message\Nfrom this man back in 2020{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:13.21,1:19:16.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}when on the TV in my home country\Nin the Netherlands,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:17.21,1:19:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}there was a program that was very similar\Nto the program in Denmark,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:21.12,1:19:22.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The program is basically the same.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:22.54,1:19:24.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It has Torben, it has the child abuse.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:24.12,1:19:26.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}All these lies are also in there.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:26.29,1:19:29.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And after the program, I receive an email\Nfrom this man{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:29.92,1:19:33.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}who is hiding\Nbehind a fake account, Laura Palmare,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:33.67,1:19:37.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and he writes:\NOnce I told you I'm not the kind of guy{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:37.62,1:19:41.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}you are used to deal with,\Nand he ends with more to come.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:41.29,1:19:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Get your suitcases ready.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:42.96,1:19:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Always making sure\Nto not mention his name.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:46.21,1:19:48.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I forgot one last thing.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:48.38,1:19:52.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Don't you ever mention my name\Non any social media?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:52.17,1:19:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I will know it.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:53.17,1:19:56.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And I promise you\Nthat you will have serious reason{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:56.54,1:19:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}to fear my wrath.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:19:58.00,1:20:00.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Obviously, Alice\Ndidn't tell you everything{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:00.67,1:20:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}about who I really am.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:02.21,1:20:04.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Don't try to learn it the hard way.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:04.33,1:20:07.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}You would regret it deeply. Am I clear?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:13.58,1:20:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Somewhere in 2016, Gabriel and Thomas\Nfound each other and joined forces.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:19.75,1:20:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Several other fake social media accounts\Nappeared. Their sole purpose{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:24.50,1:20:28.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}was to spread defamatory information\Nabout Torben and his ministry.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:28.71,1:20:32.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They created a narrative\Nwhere Torben's ministry was a 'cult'{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:33.17,1:20:36.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and Torben was\Nthe 'dangerous cult leader'.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:38.17,1:20:41.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Besides the fake profiles,\Nanonymous reports were sent{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:41.79,1:20:44.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}to various government\Norganizations in Denmark.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:44.92,1:20:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The fire department got an anonymous call\Nthat there was a fire hazard.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:49.54,1:20:51.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They checked and everything was fine.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:52.00,1:20:54.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The food control came.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:54.21,1:20:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They got a report that the kitchen\Nat the Bible school facility{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:57.25,1:20:59.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}was dirty and there were rats.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:20:59.33,1:21:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They checked and everything was fine.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:02.92,1:21:05.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The Workers Association got a report\Nthat there were people{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:05.88,1:21:09.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}working at the ministry\Nthat were not authorized to work.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:09.38,1:21:12.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They checked and everything was okay.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:12.54,1:21:16.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The tax agency was told\Nthat the ministry was evading taxes{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:16.29,1:21:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and they requested the books\Nfor the last two years.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:19.29,1:21:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Everything turned out fine.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:21.12,1:21:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}A Wikipedia page was also created\Nwith defamatory information about Torben.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:26.62,1:21:30.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Wikipedia moderators decided\Nthat the page needed to be removed.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:33.25,1:21:36.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}When Torben was doing\Na kickstart in France,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:36.17,1:21:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}the police showed up.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:37.54,1:21:39.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They had received reports\Nthat Torben's ministry{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:40.04,1:21:43.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}was a dangerous cult\Nand were investigating the matter.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:44.50,1:21:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}People got baptized, set free,\Nreceived the Holy Spirit, so beautiful.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:48.25,1:21:50.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And in the middle\Nof the most beautiful thing,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:50.46,1:21:53.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}the police come,\Nthree policemen standing outside{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:53.88,1:21:55.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and want to close us down.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:55.12,1:21:58.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And they say something with the building\Nand the man who owns the building.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:21:58.12,1:21:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But we know it's just an attack.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:00.00,1:22:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And what to do now?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:01.58,1:22:03.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We have no idea.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:03.25,1:22:06.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}800 people. We have no idea.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:06.25,1:22:09.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}After we showed them all the paperwork\Nand they saw all the people,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:10.17,1:22:11.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}they never came again.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:11.33,1:22:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And we were able to move on\Nwith the Kickstart with no problems.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:14.58,1:22:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It didn't stop there\Nbecause as soon as we went to the airport{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:18.33,1:22:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}to fly back to Denmark, the police came\Nto check all our bags suddenly again,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:24.54,1:22:27.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and they took us all into a special room.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:28.17,1:22:31.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It was very strange\Nand they went through all our bags,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:31.96,1:22:34.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}all our stuff\Nand just opened and took stuff out.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:35.29,1:22:38.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And we just had no idea\Nof what was going on.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:38.29,1:22:42.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And then apparently they told us\Nthat they got a report for someone{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:42.50,1:22:45.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}that we had a lot of money,\Na lot of cash in our bags.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:46.29,1:22:47.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And it was just strange.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:47.54,1:22:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Very, very strange.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:48.75,1:22:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And of course, we didn't have anything,\Nso they didn't found it.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:51.17,1:22:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And then in the end, they let us go.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:54.00,1:22:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But it was just... we started to become\Nvery curious about who this person was{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:22:59.08,1:23:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}because it was like it kept coming again\Nand again and again{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:03.25,1:23:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}that someone would call in to the police\Nand ask them{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:06.96,1:23:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}to check us and to go through us\Nbecause we were 'dangerous'.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:10.12,1:23:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And yeah. But anyway, I mean, Torben\Nnever really wasted too much time on it.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:16.79,1:23:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He was just so focused on the gospel.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:18.29,1:23:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So he moved on.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:19.62,1:23:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Month of April, I actually did a kickstart\Nin Switzerland in a city called Lausanne.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:25.79,1:23:29.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}During that time,\Nfor what I remember, I was excited{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:29.67,1:23:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and we were preparing\Nto start with the Kickstart.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:32.58,1:23:35.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}One of my friends, she actually came to me\Nand she actually told me{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:35.83,1:23:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}in a surprising way that there are police\Nwho are outside of the building.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:40.79,1:23:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They had a document\Nand someone had made a big complaint{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:45.08,1:23:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}about Torben Sondergaard,\Nabout The Last Reformation,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:48.79,1:23:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}that we were a sect,\Nsomething to do{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:53.21,1:23:53.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:53.54,1:23:55.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Autistic and hypnosis.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:55.50,1:23:56.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Hypnosis, a whole.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:56.42,1:23:56.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Lot of things.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:57.04,1:23:58.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And we are dangerous. It was from.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:23:58.79,1:24:00.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Some place near Geneva.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:00.62,1:24:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We don't know, it was not signed.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:03.21,1:24:06.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Over the years,\Nthese people have continued their mission{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:06.38,1:24:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and through their fake accounts,\Nthey have been clear about their goals.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:10.33,1:24:13.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We will continue\Nuntil Torben and his ministry{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:13.75,1:24:15.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}are completely destroyed.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:18.75,1:24:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Hey, Toby Boy, I have to say,\NI am really enjoying{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:23.38,1:24:25.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}watching you slowly going down.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:26.50,1:24:30.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Soon there will be nothing left\Nof your freaking cult.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:31.17,1:24:34.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Maybe you should have listened to me\Nwhen I asked you for help for Alice,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:35.29,1:24:37.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}you arrogant moron.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:37.83,1:24:41.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}When Torben was approached\Nby a production company in 2017,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:41.96,1:24:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}he had no idea\Nthat Gabriel and Thomas were involved.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:50.21,1:24:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Towards the end of filming, Torben\Nrealised that he had been betrayed{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:54.00,1:24:57.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and that the film crew was in contact\Nwith his persecutors.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:24:58.33,1:25:00.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}When he found out, he called the producer.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:09.12,1:25:11.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He confronted him with his dishonesty.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:11.42,1:25:14.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The producer excused himself\Nand said it was part{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:14.67,1:25:18.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}of the journalistic process\Nto hear both sides of the story.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:18.38,1:25:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But was this fair journalism?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:21.46,1:25:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We have received information\Nsuggesting that Gabriel,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:24.58,1:25:27.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}the businessman from France,\Npaid the salaries{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:27.42,1:25:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}of the undercover journalists\Nyou saw in our last episode.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:30.79,1:25:34.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The source of this information\Nis someone close to Gabriel.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:35.62,1:25:40.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}If this is true, then Torben's persecutors\Nhave helped fund God's Best Children.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:41.92,1:25:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We contacted one of the journalists.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:44.12,1:25:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He said that he felt sorry for Torben,\Nbut that for 'legal reasons'{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:48.54,1:25:50.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}he could not answer our questions.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:51.62,1:25:54.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}When we watch\Nthe God's Best Children documentary,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:54.79,1:25:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}we see the presence\Nof both Thomas and Gabriel everywhere.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:25:58.83,1:26:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}For example, we see a representative\Nof the organization InsideOut.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:26:04.04,1:26:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}According to their website, InsideOut\Nprovides support to people{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:26:07.46,1:26:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}who have broken\Nwith a destructive community.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:26:10.08,1:26:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Their website lists Thomas\Nas chairman of the organization.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:26:15.17,1:26:18.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Bente Boserup,\Nwho we saw in our first episode,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:26:18.25,1:26:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}is also listed on the InsideOut website\Nas a child specialist consultant.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:26:25.21,1:26:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}These people are not independent experts.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:26:28.88,1:26:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They know each other and work with Thomas.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:26:35.58,1:26:39.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}In the program,\Nwe see this couple who criticized Torben.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:26:39.92,1:26:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They are friends of Thomas\Nand were under Thomas influence.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:26:43.96,1:26:47.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}When asked why\Nthey agreed to appear on the program,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:26:47.33,1:26:49.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}they said that Thomas asked them to do it.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:26:50.71,1:26:55.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They share a misleading story about Alice,\Nthe ex-girlfriend of Gabriel.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:26:57.42,1:26:59.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}So are you worried for her life? Yeah.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:00.88,1:27:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}I've been since the first day.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:04.17,1:27:07.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We also see this man\Ntalking about his friend.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:07.92,1:27:11.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He appears at the end of the last episode\Nof God's Best Children{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:11.88,1:27:14.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and his identity is not revealed.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:14.29,1:27:16.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}This is Gabriel.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:16.50,1:27:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He is the man that has been stalking\Nhis girlfriend, Alice, for years.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:20.50,1:27:24.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}She has repeatedly told Gabriel\Nto get out of her life,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:24.46,1:27:26.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}but he continues to pursue her.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:26.29,1:27:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And since this thing started,\Neverything collapsed.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:31.17,1:27:34.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}She can actually commit suicide\Nin a blink.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:34.50,1:27:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Nobody is here to see what's going on.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:37.00,1:27:38.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Everything can happen.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:38.83,1:27:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And they don't know what they're doing.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:40.00,1:27:44.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It's this Last Reformation thing\Nis like a mental institution{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:45.00,1:27:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}where patients\Nare trying to help patients.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:48.08,1:27:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They are all crazy.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:49.33,1:27:52.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}She can actually commit suicide\Nin a blink.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:52.46,1:27:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Gabriel says Alice could {\b0}\N{\b1}commit suicide in a blink.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:27:56.42,1:28:00.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But here we are today, {\b0}\N{\b1}4 years later, and Alice is fine.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:00.46,1:28:04.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}She is not part of Torben's ministry\Nand never has been.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:04.58,1:28:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}She just followed\None of Torben's Bible schools{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:07.21,1:28:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and is now part\Nof a church in her home country.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:10.58,1:28:15.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He was doing all kind of things\Nto have contact with her,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:15.83,1:28:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}even though she blocked immediately\Nevery possible door.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:20.17,1:28:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He kept finding another door\Nto just try to have contact with her.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:24.83,1:28:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He were also sending her flowers.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:27.50,1:28:33.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He, um, tried to have contact\Nwith other students at the school{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:33.33,1:28:38.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}as well as create\Nmultiple Facebook profiles.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:38.71,1:28:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Typically, it was female pictures\Nand names he was using.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:43.54,1:28:44.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}She was really done with this guy.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:44.96,1:28:47.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}She didn't want to have anything\Nto do with him.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:48.12,1:28:52.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}She didn't even consider to go back to him\Nand she just{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:52.62,1:28:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}wanted him to leave her alone.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:28:55.17,1:28:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}She decided to follow Jesus\Nwith everything she had.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:08.21,1:29:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Around the time Torben realized\Nthat the production company{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:11.12,1:29:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}was working with his persecutors,\Nhe and his family{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:14.12,1:29:16.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}received a visit from the Municipality.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:16.71,1:29:21.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}They had received a report that children\Nwere being abused in their home.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:23.21,1:29:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}At the same time,\Na YouTube channel linked to Gabriel{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:26.62,1:29:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}uploaded this video\Nmaking the same claim of child abuse.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:30.50,1:29:34.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It was a very threatening situation\Nbecause in Denmark{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:34.38,1:29:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and other European countries,\Nthe child protection authorities{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:38.12,1:29:39.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}have a lot of power.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:39.83,1:29:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Sadly, there are several examples\Nof authorities making bad decisions{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:44.62,1:29:48.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and removing children from their parents\Nbased on false information.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:49.25,1:29:52.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}This was a very intimidating situation\Nfor Torben and Lene{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:53.54,1:29:56.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}because these authorities have the power\Nto remove children{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:29:56.75,1:29:59.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}if they suspect\Nany wrongdoing in the family.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:03.79,1:30:06.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Sometimes I get up to three calls per day\Nfrom people{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:06.67,1:30:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}fearing a forced adoption\Nof their children.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:09.42,1:30:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}This became more real\Nwhen Torben was publicly declared guilty.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:14.83,1:30:17.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}We agree with children's condition\Nthat this kind of behaviour{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:17.96,1:30:20.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}can be described as psychological abuse.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:20.62,1:30:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}It was likely for authorities\Nto take action at some point.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:25.46,1:30:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Now, do you see the pattern?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:27.96,1:30:33.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}These individuals pushed the government\Nbut also the media into unjust actions.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:33.96,1:30:37.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Later we will see the same thing\Nhappening in the USA.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:38.96,1:30:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}After the programmes aired on Danish\NTV, Torben and Lene{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:42.54,1:30:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}fled to the United States\Nand decided to stay there for a while{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:47.25,1:30:50.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Seeing the ongoing discussion\Nin the media and government,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:50.71,1:30:53.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}they concluded:\NThese people that are persecuting us,{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:53.96,1:30:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}they are not going to stop.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:30:55.71,1:31:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}The people of Denmark buy in to their lies\Nand this will continue until I'm in jail.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:31:02.08,1:31:04.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Torben was advised to apply for asylum.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:31:05.17,1:31:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}He did not know that his persecutors\Nhad already contacted Homeland Security.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:31:10.29,1:31:16.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}A memo we received, states: On March 27th,\N2019, the ICE Homeland Security{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:31:17.00,1:31:20.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}Investigations Fort Myers office\Nreceived information{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:31:20.17,1:31:23.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}that Sondergaard\Nwas defrauding the sick and elderly{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:31:23.38,1:31:25.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}and abusing children.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:31:25.12,1:31:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}But why did Torben end up in prison\Nin the United States?{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:31:28.62,1:31:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}And who reported to Homeland {\b0}\N{\b1}Security that Torben was involved{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:31:32.17,1:31:35.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}in weapons smuggling {\b0}\N{\b1}and human trafficking.{\b0} Dialogue: 0,1:31:35.21,1:31:37.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\b1}that we will share in our next episode?{\b0}