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There are going to be big programs.
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The 2nd of January here in Denmark.
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I thought they were doing a documentary[br]about The Last Reformation,
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but they've done a documentary[br]where they talk about other ministries
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that have gone really wrong in Denmark.
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We will go to America[br]and we will be there more.
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We actually be five months[br]in America next year. All in all.
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I really enjoyed your last video.
1:00:41.250,1:00:43.708
I'm happy to hear you're going[br]to the United States.
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There I will be able[br]to really take care of you
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and your ugly cult.
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You destroyed Alice's life.
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You are a sick person.
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And I warned you[br]I will take care of your cult.
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As long as Alice won't be able[br]to get back to her therapy
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and live a normal life,[br]I will be on your back.
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Previously on our series,[br]we have revealed compelling evidence
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that the TV program God's Best Children[br]was not an honest portrayal of Torben
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and his ministry.
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It was rather a calculated attempt[br]to discredit him.
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The goal is to bring Torben[br]and his ministry down.
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They tried to get what they wanted[br]through politics
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by proposing new laws[br]that were tailor made to target Torben.
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Many of you have probably followed[br]the documentary God's Best Children.
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And seeing how a preacher[br]commits demonic exorcisms in front
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of shaking and crying children.
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We agree with children's condition[br]that this kind of behavior
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can be described as psychological abuse.
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They also twisted the truth[br]by misusing existing laws.
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We have asked a number[br]of health commissioners
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to watch TV2's hidden recording[br]of Torben Sondergaard.
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It's simply quackery.
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It is deeply, deeply worrying.
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Another tactic used was linking Torben[br]with convicted criminals,
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which caused public outrage against him[br]across the country.
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This man is downright dangerous[br]and what he practises should be illegal.
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In an attempt to discredit him further,[br]they offered him a large sum of money,
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hoping to trap him financially.
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Torben Sondergaard, a pastor from Denmark,[br]is being detained in Florida
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without any formal charges.
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With this video series,[br]we want to make you aware of his case
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and we will show you evidence[br]that there is a fight going on,
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a fight over the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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It is an incredible story where things[br]are not always what they seem.
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In this
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episode, we will show you[br]that Torben is actually being persecuted
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for his faith in Jesus Christ.
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To be persecuted means to harass or punish[br]in a manner
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designed to injure, grieve or afflict.
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Jesus said a servant is not greater[br]than his master.
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If they persecuted me,[br]they will also persecute you.
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Paul is saying in one of his letters,[br]Everyone who wants to live
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a godly life[br]in Christ, Jesus will be persecuted.
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Should we be surprised when this happens?
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Peter answers.
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Do not be surprised at the fiery trial[br]when it comes upon you to test you
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as though something strange[br]were happening to you.
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When we follow Jesus Christ[br]and want to live a godly life,
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we will get trouble.
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It's a promise.
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But the things[br]that are happening to Torben
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is that actually Christian persecution?
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Or is it merely that he made mistakes[br]and he has to face the consequences?
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To answer these questions,[br]let's first look
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at how Jesus was persecuted.
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Jesus went around doing good,[br]but he also offended many people.
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He hurt the religious leaders[br]in their pride,
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and they gradually became more[br]and more agitated with Jesus
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and ultimately wanted to kill him.
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Jesus had many followers,[br]but he had an inner circle of 12 people.
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However, one of these 12[br]turned against him.
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The reasons for this[br]could have been greed, disappointment,
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or even pride as it's written.
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or even pride as it's written.
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Satan entered into him[br]and he became an instrument of the enemy
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to destroy Jesus.
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After Judas handed Jesus over[br]to the religious leaders,
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these leaders took him to the authorities.
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By applying pressure,[br]the religious leaders
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convinced the authorities[br]to make an unjust decision.
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To maintain peace,[br]they decided to execute Jesus.
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But it's important to see that it's Satan[br]who is working out his plans.
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The battle is not against the government[br]or against these religious leaders.
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The battle is spiritual.
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In Ephesus, it is written:[br]'for our struggle
1:05:13.958,1:05:17.708
is not against flesh and blood,[br]but against the rulers,
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against the authorities,[br]against the powers of this dark world
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and against the spiritual forces[br]of evil in the heavenly realms.'
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Now, you may say, wait a minute.
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How can you compare Torben to Jesus?
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Torben was not persecuted.
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He was simply portrayed[br]in a negative way in a TV program.
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Was that not his own fault?
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Shouldn't he have been more cautious[br]and not collaborated
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with that production company?
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Well, there's more to the story[br]that you need to know
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to fully understand the situation.
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We need to take you back to 2016.
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That was the year when Torben's ministry[br]released a powerful film
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called The Last Reformation:[br]The beginning.
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I was tired of looking for answers[br]and I could not find it anywhere.
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This film gained[br]significant worldwide attention
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and inspired[br]numerous people to follow Jesus.
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However, it was also the year[br]when a fierce battle began.
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The forces of darkness[br]began to fight back.
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So how did this battle unfold?
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We need to introduce you[br]to two individuals
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who have been relentlessly[br]attacking Torben since 2016,
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and their campaign continues to this day.
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They've been operating anonymously[br]all these years.
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They discredited Torben and his ministry[br]while remaining hidden from public view.
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But their false narrative[br]has been spread everywhere
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through the mouths of other people.
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The first of these individuals[br]is a citizen of Denmark
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and a former friend of Torben[br]who had an important position
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in his ministry.
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We won't use his real name here
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because we're not out for revenge [br]or to damage anyone's reputation.
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Let's call him Thomas.
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I came to Denmark[br]in 2015 together with my family.
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We lived there for over a year.
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We worked with Torben[br]at that time in his organization,
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and we also met this man.
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He was a very good listener,[br]and he was someone
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who pulled a lot[br]of information from people.
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Very charismatic,[br]but someone who just managed to come
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alongside just about anybody[br]and get them talking
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and seemed to be somebody[br]that was really nice,
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seemed very interested in people.
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And my first instinct[br]was to really like him.
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And I felt sorry for him[br]when he told me some
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of the stories of his life.
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And um, yeah, we became friends, I guess.
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I met him[br]and I connected very good with him.
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I actually became good friends with him.
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And I remember.
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Uh, getting really close to him.
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I liked to work with this man.
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We had good times together.
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I had good I have good memories of him.
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In the beginning[br]he was actually a really nice person.
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In that way, he was really involved[br]by helping a lot, where he helped Torben.
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He helped other people,[br]including helping me.
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He's a very intelligent person and someone[br]that if he's working for somebody
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would be an amazing ally.
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Really very clever[br]and one step ahead of everybody.
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And if he wants to achieve something[br]or get something done, he would.
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He was a very likeable person.
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He was funny. He was very intelligent.
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He had multiple talents.
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He was good in basically[br]everything you would ask him to do,
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he would do it.
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Extremely intelligent, um,[br]and, uh, shrewd.
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Very shrewd, very shrewd,[br]very intelligent.
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I believe that when he came at first,[br]he was very sincere.
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He was very sincere with everything.
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He loved what was going on at TLR.
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He loved the way God was moving.
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I believe God was touching him as well.
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And you could see that he was changing[br]and he would go out on the street,
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you know, join the kickstarts[br]and everything.
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And it was amazing with him.
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But however, after I think around a year,[br]um, things started to change with him.
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But there was another side of him[br]or another character of him,
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which I did not see in the beginning,[br]but I saw later on that he was also very,
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very a manipulative person.
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And because he was very manipulative[br]where he was really... he was actually
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really good at manipulate people[br]and manipulate situations.
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And for that reason, he really gained very[br]quickly high position
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at that place at Jesus Hotel[br]where he almost somehow...
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you can say he became like the right hand[br]of Torben at that time.
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Torben really liked him and trusted him.
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So he gave him positions[br]and access to basically everything at TLR.
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Some of those people[br]he was not happy about,
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he often went to Torben[br]and behind their back
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where he somehow started to gossip[br]and he tried to manipulate
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about them to Torben[br]that they are...
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they have a problem or they need[br]to be sent home and all this kind
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of stuff. And because of this[br]he often succeed
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that some of those co-workers[br]were being sent home because of him.
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I would say it's not normal behavior[br]to manipulate so many layers deep.
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And it does make that person very powerful[br]in what he's able to achieve
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if he wants to tear somebody down.
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And I did witness[br]some people being torn down.
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But it's very hard[br]when you're in it sometimes to see it.
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He'd expressed it,[br]he'd it said that he was actually jealous
1:11:22.583,1:11:24.875
of anybody that got close to Torben.
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And so he would remove people[br]who got close
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or manipulate them[br]either one way or the other.
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He would often complain[br]that he have done... he did a lot,
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but he didn't get enough credit[br]for what he did.
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And that was basically[br]because, I mean, Torben
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was the main guy on the videos[br]and Torben was the one also preaching
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when there was a kick start[br]and this guy was more behind the scene.
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So he pulled me aside one evening.
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He felt like there was not enough[br]of credit given to him,
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aid given to him like a place to live,[br]a nice place to live.
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He was bitter and angry[br]and complaining a lot because of that.
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At some point, this man really started[br]to work against Torben.
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He started to talk really bad about him,[br]but at the same time,
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he showed the Torben a really nice face.
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So Torben had no idea.
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He thought this was my best friend,[br]someone who's helping me a lot.
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But to other people,[br]he would say things like,
1:12:31.291,1:12:35.625
Torben hurt me a lot,[br]and he started to try
1:12:35.708,1:12:38.791
and convince other people[br]how bad Torben actually is.
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And he would actually manipulate[br]the situation in such way
1:12:42.416,1:12:45.750
that Torben was at one point[br]removed from his own organization.
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It was almost like he wanted me[br]to hate Torben as well.
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It was almost like he wanted me[br]to turn my back on Torben
1:12:52.208,1:12:54.250
as well and join his side.
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And I found out later on[br]that he would do the same to other people,
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that he will also talk[br]to them bad about Torben.
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And then as soon as Torben would come in[br]or enter into the room, he changed.
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And he was suddenly, I mean, very sweet.
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So at some point, Torben found out[br]that this man
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was actually causing a lot of problems,[br]and he decided to remove him
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from the organization.
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I got a call from a friend, he said: Hey,[br]if Torben is going to fire this man,
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please make sure[br]to change all your passwords
1:13:25.708,1:13:27.708
because he will take revenge.
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And I was like, Nah...
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I couldn't believe it because I was[br]like, it would not be this bad.
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I thought I knew this man quite a bit,[br]but he said: No,
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it's really bad with this man.
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You have to do this.
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So I was okay, if you say so.
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And actually I didn't believe it,[br]but I changed a lot of passwords,
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but I didn't take it so seriously.
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A few months later, I found out[br]that actually I forgot
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to change some passwords[br]and some really important ones.
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So someone logged in into our systems[br]and basically deleted everything
1:13:59.041,1:14:00.958
they could find to destroy, to delete.
1:14:01.041,1:14:05.083
So, that day we lost all our websites,[br]we lost a lot of domain names
1:14:05.916,1:14:09.208
in different accounts,[br]and it was a big disaster.
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I think there was more than a year of work[br]completely destroyed.
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And for me personally, it was like,[br]how can someone be so evil?
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Because I spent so much time[br]myself already in all this, these things,
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and just deleting everything[br]and destroying everything,
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including the backups, because the backups[br]were also included in this system.
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Of course I cannot prove[br]that it was this man,
1:14:31.375,1:14:33.750
but I know one thing[br]that I was warned beforehand
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to change all the passwords[br]because he would take revenge
1:14:36.916,1:14:38.583
and then later this happens.
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It's a funny thing[br]that sometimes our strengths
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can become our weaknesses spiritually.
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You know, the the thing[br]that we have a really strong calling
1:14:48.333,1:14:54.375
can also be if it's turned[br]inward rather than toward God,
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if it's turned inward,[br]it can become something very destructive
1:14:58.791,1:15:04.125
because we've got a lot of perhaps skill[br]or talent that's been given
1:15:04.208,1:15:05.708
in those areas.
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So I see that with this gentleman,[br]it's a very sad thing
1:15:10.166,1:15:13.333
because he is somebody[br]who wanted desperately
1:15:13.416,1:15:18.708
to amount to something big in the Kingdom[br]and instead of that,
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has found himself involved in something[br]really bitter and quite twisted.
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And that's sad.
1:15:25.666,1:15:27.166
That's a terrible thing.
1:15:27.250,1:15:30.375
And I think that's also[br]why God allows things to happen
1:15:30.458,1:15:33.125
as long as He does, because He loves us.
1:15:33.375,1:15:37.208
He loves us dearly, He loves our enemies[br]as much as He loves us.
1:15:37.750,1:15:40.708
I've still you know, I still[br]care a lot for this guy.
1:15:41.291,1:15:43.916
I pray for him,[br]and I hope that he will turn to God.
1:15:44.708,1:15:46.708
So that's my hope.
1:15:52.375,1:15:54.833
But something else happened[br]that same year.
1:15:56.583,1:16:00.458
A lady we will call Alice[br]comes to faith in Jesus Christ.
1:16:00.541,1:16:01.791
She has a friend.
1:16:01.875,1:16:03.875
Let's name him Gabriel.
1:16:04.291,1:16:07.625
Gabriel is a businessman[br]of French nationality.
1:16:08.333,1:16:11.833
When he hears that Alice is going to one[br]of Torben's schools,
1:16:11.958,1:16:14.916
he doesn't like it[br]because he doesn't believe in God
1:16:15.166,1:16:17.166
and hates Christianity.
1:16:17.541,1:16:21.125
On top of that, Alice[br]decides to break up with Gabriel
1:16:21.208,1:16:23.208
because the relationship is not good.
1:16:23.291,1:16:27.958
We called a friend of Alice, who was [br]with her during Torben’s Bible School.
1:16:28.250,1:16:33.291
I remember that this guy,[br]he was actually married with another woman
1:16:33.375,1:16:38.791
and that my friend was with him[br]over a couple of years
1:16:39.333,1:16:43.208
and which means[br]they were having an affair.
1:16:43.291,1:16:45.541
From that moment on, he stalks her.
1:16:47.708,1:16:52.125
So this guy,[br]he thought that she has gone into a sect
1:16:52.416,1:16:58.291
and he was kind of searching everything,[br]what he could from the ministry.
1:16:58.541,1:17:03.041
And he was very much against this[br]because he kind of lost her
1:17:03.125,1:17:04.958
because of her faith in Jesus.
1:17:05.041,1:17:09.458
And he wanted kind of[br]to take her out of this, uh,
1:17:09.541,1:17:12.208
and so that he could have her back.
1:17:12.291,1:17:16.458
What I understand[br]is that he became someone
1:17:16.541,1:17:22.541
that would persecute the whole, uh,[br]ministry with everything he could.
1:17:22.625,1:17:24.458
He was very much against it.
1:17:24.541,1:17:26.875
The staff and fellow students[br]of that school
1:17:26.958,1:17:30.500
received friend requests through Facebook[br]from a Christian lady
1:17:30.583,1:17:33.208
with the name of Olivia Tennenbaum.
1:17:33.500,1:17:37.750
The account spread false information[br]about Torben and his ministry
1:17:37.958,1:17:41.791
and repeatedly used the word 'cult'[br]to address the ministry.
1:17:42.500,1:17:44.500
But no one seemed to know her.
1:17:44.666,1:17:48.125
It became clear to Alice[br]that this Olivia Tennenbaum
1:17:48.208,1:17:51.625
is actually her ex-boyfriend[br]spreading this information.
1:17:54.708,1:18:01.000
Yeah, I remember some of the profiles[br]that, uh, all of a sudden was friend
1:18:01.083,1:18:04.208
with everyone that we knew,[br]the things that were shared
1:18:04.291,1:18:06.708
on the profile,[br]it was very much against Torben.
1:18:07.125,1:18:09.125
So much hate, so much bashing.
1:18:10.458,1:18:13.791
We asked Alice if she wanted to cooperate[br]with this episode,
1:18:13.958,1:18:17.833
but she declined because she is afraid[br]of what this man would do to her.
1:18:18.166,1:18:21.666
It has now been seven years[br]since she ended the relationship
1:18:21.750,1:18:24.083
and this man is still stalking her.
1:18:24.666,1:18:28.666
She describes this man as rich,[br]influential and even
1:18:28.750,1:18:31.000
with contacts in the US government.
1:18:31.291,1:18:34.625
He also threatened her to not go public[br]with her story
1:18:34.750,1:18:36.750
and not to mention his name.
1:18:37.041,1:18:40.583
He is the one who wrote the email[br]we quoted at the beginning
1:18:40.666,1:18:42.208
of this episode.
1:18:42.291,1:18:44.958
I'm happy to hear you are going to the US.
1:18:45.208,1:18:48.583
There I will be able[br]to really take care of you
1:18:48.666,1:18:50.666
and your ugly cult.
1:18:52.000,1:18:55.000
Also several other people[br]we ask to tell their story
1:18:55.083,1:18:56.791
for this episode said no.
1:18:56.875,1:19:01.541
They said: this man is dangerous[br]and I don't want him to come after me
1:19:01.625,1:19:03.625
and my family.
1:19:04.333,1:19:07.958
He also wrote to other people[br]involved in Torben's ministry.
1:19:08.833,1:19:12.833
Yes. I also received a message[br]from this man back in 2020
1:19:13.208,1:19:16.875
when on the TV in my home country[br]in the Netherlands,
1:19:17.208,1:19:20.500
there was a program that was very similar[br]to the program in Denmark,
1:19:21.125,1:19:22.458
The program is basically the same.
1:19:22.541,1:19:24.041
It has Torben, it has the child abuse.
1:19:24.125,1:19:26.166
All these lies are also in there.
1:19:26.291,1:19:29.541
And after the program, I receive an email[br]from this man
1:19:29.916,1:19:33.291
who is hiding[br]behind a fake account, Laura Palmare,
1:19:33.666,1:19:37.541
and he writes:[br]Once I told you I'm not the kind of guy
1:19:37.625,1:19:41.208
you are used to deal with,[br]and he ends with more to come.
1:19:41.291,1:19:42.875
Get your suitcases ready.
1:19:42.958,1:19:46.125
Always making sure[br]to not mention his name.
1:19:46.208,1:19:48.208
I forgot one last thing.
1:19:48.375,1:19:52.000
Don't you ever mention my name[br]on any social media?
1:19:52.166,1:19:53.083
I will know it.
1:19:53.166,1:19:56.291
And I promise you[br]that you will have serious reason
1:19:56.541,1:19:57.916
to fear my wrath.
1:19:58.000,1:20:00.291
Obviously, Alice[br]didn't tell you everything
1:20:00.666,1:20:02.125
about who I really am.
1:20:02.208,1:20:04.250
Don't try to learn it the hard way.
1:20:04.333,1:20:07.166
You would regret it deeply. Am I clear?
1:20:13.583,1:20:19.583
Somewhere in 2016, Gabriel and Thomas[br]found each other and joined forces.
1:20:19.750,1:20:24.416
Several other fake social media accounts[br]appeared. Their sole purpose
1:20:24.500,1:20:28.458
was to spread defamatory information[br]about Torben and his ministry.
1:20:28.708,1:20:32.791
They created a narrative[br]where Torben's ministry was a 'cult'
1:20:33.166,1:20:36.166
and Torben was[br]the 'dangerous cult leader'.
1:20:38.166,1:20:41.708
Besides the fake profiles,[br]anonymous reports were sent
1:20:41.791,1:20:44.666
to various government[br]organizations in Denmark.
1:20:44.916,1:20:49.083
The fire department got an anonymous call[br]that there was a fire hazard.
1:20:49.541,1:20:51.708
They checked and everything was fine.
1:20:52.000,1:20:54.000
The food control came.
1:20:54.208,1:20:57.166
They got a report that the kitchen[br]at the Bible school facility
1:20:57.250,1:20:59.250
was dirty and there were rats.
1:20:59.333,1:21:01.875
They checked and everything was fine.
1:21:02.916,1:21:05.791
The Workers Association got a report[br]that there were people
1:21:05.875,1:21:09.083
working at the ministry[br]that were not authorized to work.
1:21:09.375,1:21:12.208
They checked and everything was okay.
1:21:12.541,1:21:16.208
The tax agency was told[br]that the ministry was evading taxes
1:21:16.291,1:21:19.125
and they requested the books[br]for the last two years.
1:21:19.291,1:21:21.041
Everything turned out fine.
1:21:21.125,1:21:26.208
A Wikipedia page was also created[br]with defamatory information about Torben.
1:21:26.625,1:21:30.291
Wikipedia moderators decided[br]that the page needed to be removed.
1:21:33.250,1:21:36.083
When Torben was doing[br]a kickstart in France,
1:21:36.166,1:21:37.458
the police showed up.
1:21:37.541,1:21:39.958
They had received reports[br]that Torben's ministry
1:21:40.041,1:21:43.416
was a dangerous cult[br]and were investigating the matter.
1:21:44.500,1:21:48.083
People got baptized, set free,[br]received the Holy Spirit, so beautiful.
1:21:48.250,1:21:50.375
And in the middle[br]of the most beautiful thing,
1:21:50.458,1:21:53.458
the police come,[br]three policemen standing outside
1:21:53.875,1:21:55.041
and want to close us down.
1:21:55.125,1:21:58.041
And they say something with the building[br]and the man who owns the building.
1:21:58.125,1:21:59.916
But we know it's just an attack.
1:22:00.000,1:22:01.500
And what to do now?
1:22:01.583,1:22:03.166
We have no idea.
1:22:03.250,1:22:06.166
800 people. We have no idea.
1:22:06.250,1:22:09.583
After we showed them all the paperwork[br]and they saw all the people,
1:22:10.166,1:22:11.250
they never came again.
1:22:11.333,1:22:14.500
And we were able to move on[br]with the Kickstart with no problems.
1:22:14.583,1:22:18.250
It didn't stop there[br]because as soon as we went to the airport
1:22:18.333,1:22:24.458
to fly back to Denmark, the police came[br]to check all our bags suddenly again,
1:22:24.541,1:22:27.250
and they took us all into a special room.
1:22:28.166,1:22:31.541
It was very strange[br]and they went through all our bags,
1:22:31.958,1:22:34.583
all our stuff[br]and just opened and took stuff out.
1:22:35.291,1:22:38.208
And we just had no idea[br]of what was going on.
1:22:38.291,1:22:42.000
And then apparently they told us[br]that they got a report for someone
1:22:42.500,1:22:45.291
that we had a lot of money,[br]a lot of cash in our bags.
1:22:46.291,1:22:47.458
And it was just strange.
1:22:47.541,1:22:48.666
Very, very strange.
1:22:48.750,1:22:51.083
And of course, we didn't have anything,[br]so they didn't found it.
1:22:51.166,1:22:53.166
And then in the end, they let us go.
1:22:54.000,1:22:59.000
But it was just... we started to become[br]very curious about who this person was
1:22:59.083,1:23:02.875
because it was like it kept coming again[br]and again and again
1:23:03.250,1:23:06.583
that someone would call in to the police[br]and ask them
1:23:06.958,1:23:10.041
to check us and to go through us[br]because we were 'dangerous'.
1:23:10.125,1:23:16.708
And yeah. But anyway, I mean, Torben[br]never really wasted too much time on it.
1:23:16.791,1:23:18.208
He was just so focused on the gospel.
1:23:18.291,1:23:19.541
So he moved on.
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Month of April, I actually did a kickstart[br]in Switzerland in a city called Lausanne.
1:23:25.791,1:23:29.583
During that time,[br]for what I remember, I was excited
1:23:29.666,1:23:32.333
and we were preparing[br]to start with the Kickstart.
1:23:32.583,1:23:35.750
One of my friends, she actually came to me[br]and she actually told me
1:23:35.833,1:23:40.500
in a surprising way that there are police[br]who are outside of the building.
1:23:40.791,1:23:44.958
They had a document[br]and someone had made a big complaint
1:23:45.083,1:23:48.666
about Torben Sondergaard,[br]about The Last Reformation,
1:23:48.791,1:23:52.833
that we were a sect,[br]something to do
1:23:53.208,1:23:53.458
.
1:23:53.541,1:23:55.416
Autistic and hypnosis.
1:23:55.500,1:23:56.333
Hypnosis, a whole.
1:23:56.416,1:23:56.958
Lot of things.
1:23:57.041,1:23:58.708
And we are dangerous. It was from.
1:23:58.791,1:24:00.541
Some place near Geneva.
1:24:00.625,1:24:02.083
We don't know, it was not signed.
1:24:03.208,1:24:06.166
Over the years,[br]these people have continued their mission
1:24:06.375,1:24:10.125
and through their fake accounts,[br]they have been clear about their goals.
1:24:10.333,1:24:13.583
We will continue[br]until Torben and his ministry
1:24:13.750,1:24:15.750
are completely destroyed.
1:24:18.750,1:24:23.291
Hey, Toby Boy, I have to say,[br]I am really enjoying
1:24:23.375,1:24:25.875
watching you slowly going down.
1:24:26.500,1:24:30.250
Soon there will be nothing left[br]of your freaking cult.
1:24:31.166,1:24:34.958
Maybe you should have listened to me[br]when I asked you for help for Alice,
1:24:35.291,1:24:37.291
you arrogant moron.
1:24:37.833,1:24:41.875
When Torben was approached[br]by a production company in 2017,
1:24:41.958,1:24:45.791
he had no idea[br]that Gabriel and Thomas were involved.
1:24:50.208,1:24:53.916
Towards the end of filming, Torben[br]realised that he had been betrayed
1:24:54.000,1:24:57.291
and that the film crew was in contact[br]with his persecutors.
1:24:58.333,1:25:00.958
When he found out, he called the producer.
1:25:09.125,1:25:11.333
He confronted him with his dishonesty.
1:25:11.416,1:25:14.583
The producer excused himself[br]and said it was part
1:25:14.666,1:25:18.041
of the journalistic process[br]to hear both sides of the story.
1:25:18.375,1:25:20.666
But was this fair journalism?
1:25:21.458,1:25:24.458
We have received information[br]suggesting that Gabriel,
1:25:24.583,1:25:27.333
the businessman from France,[br]paid the salaries
1:25:27.416,1:25:30.541
of the undercover journalists[br]you saw in our last episode.
1:25:30.791,1:25:34.791
The source of this information[br]is someone close to Gabriel.
1:25:35.625,1:25:40.791
If this is true, then Torben's persecutors[br]have helped fund God's Best Children.
1:25:41.916,1:25:44.000
We contacted one of the journalists.
1:25:44.125,1:25:48.458
He said that he felt sorry for Torben,[br]but that for 'legal reasons'
1:25:48.541,1:25:50.541
he could not answer our questions.
1:25:51.625,1:25:54.625
When we watch[br]the God's Best Children documentary,
1:25:54.791,1:25:58.625
we see the presence[br]of both Thomas and Gabriel everywhere.
1:25:58.833,1:26:03.416
For example, we see a representative[br]of the organization InsideOut.
1:26:04.041,1:26:07.375
According to their website, InsideOut[br]provides support to people
1:26:07.458,1:26:09.833
who have broken[br]with a destructive community.
1:26:10.083,1:26:13.875
Their website lists Thomas[br]as chairman of the organization.
1:26:15.166,1:26:18.166
Bente Boserup,[br]who we saw in our first episode,
1:26:18.250,1:26:24.000
is also listed on the InsideOut website[br]as a child specialist consultant.
1:26:25.208,1:26:28.541
These people are not independent experts.
1:26:28.875,1:26:31.500
They know each other and work with Thomas.
1:26:35.583,1:26:39.500
In the program,[br]we see this couple who criticized Torben.
1:26:39.916,1:26:43.500
They are friends of Thomas[br]and were under Thomas influence.
1:26:43.958,1:26:47.166
When asked why[br]they agreed to appear on the program,
1:26:47.333,1:26:49.750
they said that Thomas asked them to do it.
1:26:50.708,1:26:55.291
They share a misleading story about Alice,[br]the ex-girlfriend of Gabriel.
1:26:57.416,1:26:59.833
So are you worried for her life? Yeah.
1:27:00.875,1:27:03.250
I've been since the first day.
1:27:04.166,1:27:07.541
We also see this man[br]talking about his friend.
1:27:07.916,1:27:11.750
He appears at the end of the last episode[br]of God's Best Children
1:27:11.875,1:27:14.208
and his identity is not revealed.
1:27:14.291,1:27:16.291
This is Gabriel.
1:27:16.500,1:27:20.416
He is the man that has been stalking[br]his girlfriend, Alice, for years.
1:27:20.500,1:27:24.166
She has repeatedly told Gabriel[br]to get out of her life,
1:27:24.458,1:27:26.208
but he continues to pursue her.
1:27:26.291,1:27:30.541
And since this thing started,[br]everything collapsed.
1:27:31.166,1:27:34.083
She can actually commit suicide[br]in a blink.
1:27:34.500,1:27:36.500
Nobody is here to see what's going on.
1:27:37.000,1:27:38.750
Everything can happen.
1:27:38.833,1:27:39.916
And they don't know what they're doing.
1:27:40.000,1:27:44.708
It's this Last Reformation thing[br]is like a mental institution
1:27:45.000,1:27:47.500
where patients[br]are trying to help patients.
1:27:48.083,1:27:49.250
They are all crazy.
1:27:49.333,1:27:52.291
She can actually commit suicide[br]in a blink.
1:27:52.458,1:27:56.083
Gabriel says Alice could [br]commit suicide in a blink.
1:27:56.416,1:28:00.250
But here we are today, [br]4 years later, and Alice is fine.
1:28:00.458,1:28:04.166
She is not part of Torben's ministry[br]and never has been.
1:28:04.583,1:28:07.125
She just followed[br]one of Torben's Bible schools
1:28:07.208,1:28:09.875
and is now part[br]of a church in her home country.
1:28:10.583,1:28:15.750
He was doing all kind of things[br]to have contact with her,
1:28:15.833,1:28:20.000
even though she blocked immediately[br]every possible door.
1:28:20.166,1:28:24.750
He kept finding another door[br]to just try to have contact with her.
1:28:24.833,1:28:27.416
He were also sending her flowers.
1:28:27.500,1:28:33.250
He, um, tried to have contact[br]with other students at the school
1:28:33.333,1:28:38.625
as well as create[br]multiple Facebook profiles.
1:28:38.708,1:28:43.208
Typically, it was female pictures[br]and names he was using.
1:28:43.541,1:28:44.875
She was really done with this guy.
1:28:44.958,1:28:47.500
She didn't want to have anything[br]to do with him.
1:28:48.125,1:28:52.541
She didn't even consider to go back to him[br]and she just
1:28:52.625,1:28:55.083
wanted him to leave her alone.
1:28:55.166,1:28:58.916
She decided to follow Jesus[br]with everything she had.
1:29:08.208,1:29:11.041
Around the time Torben realized[br]that the production company
1:29:11.125,1:29:14.041
was working with his persecutors,[br]he and his family
1:29:14.125,1:29:16.250
received a visit from the Municipality.
1:29:16.708,1:29:21.083
They had received a report that children[br]were being abused in their home.
1:29:23.208,1:29:26.541
At the same time,[br]a YouTube channel linked to Gabriel
1:29:26.625,1:29:30.375
uploaded this video[br]making the same claim of child abuse.
1:29:30.500,1:29:34.291
It was a very threatening situation[br]because in Denmark
1:29:34.375,1:29:38.041
and other European countries,[br]the child protection authorities
1:29:38.125,1:29:39.750
have a lot of power.
1:29:39.833,1:29:44.541
Sadly, there are several examples[br]of authorities making bad decisions
1:29:44.625,1:29:48.500
and removing children from their parents[br]based on false information.
1:29:49.250,1:29:52.916
This was a very intimidating situation[br]for Torben and Lene
1:29:53.541,1:29:56.666
because these authorities have the power[br]to remove children
1:29:56.750,1:29:59.458
if they suspect[br]any wrongdoing in the family.
1:30:03.791,1:30:06.583
Sometimes I get up to three calls per day[br]from people
1:30:06.666,1:30:08.916
fearing a forced adoption[br]of their children.
1:30:09.416,1:30:13.666
This became more real[br]when Torben was publicly declared guilty.
1:30:14.833,1:30:17.875
We agree with children's condition[br]that this kind of behaviour
1:30:17.958,1:30:20.416
can be described as psychological abuse.
1:30:20.625,1:30:24.750
It was likely for authorities[br]to take action at some point.
1:30:25.458,1:30:27.708
Now, do you see the pattern?
1:30:27.958,1:30:33.750
These individuals pushed the government[br]but also the media into unjust actions.
1:30:33.958,1:30:37.958
Later we will see the same thing[br]happening in the USA.
1:30:38.958,1:30:42.458
After the programmes aired on Danish[br]TV, Torben and Lene
1:30:42.541,1:30:46.000
fled to the United States[br]and decided to stay there for a while
1:30:47.250,1:30:50.625
Seeing the ongoing discussion[br]in the media and government,
1:30:50.708,1:30:53.666
they concluded:[br]These people that are persecuting us,
1:30:53.958,1:30:55.625
they are not going to stop.
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The people of Denmark buy in to their lies[br]and this will continue until I'm in jail.
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Torben was advised to apply for asylum.
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He did not know that his persecutors[br]had already contacted Homeland Security.
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A memo we received, states: On March 27th,[br]2019, the ICE Homeland Security
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Investigations Fort Myers office[br]received information
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that Sondergaard[br]was defrauding the sick and elderly
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and abusing children.
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But why did Torben end up in prison[br]in the United States?
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And who reported to Homeland [br]Security that Torben was involved
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in weapons smuggling [br]and human trafficking.
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that we will share in our next episode?