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(Susanna) ...Wikimedia Finland,
and we have during this year
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started working
with the Saami communities,
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the culture and language,
starting experimenting
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doing the groundwork for future projects.
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(Kimberli) Well, actually she started
working this year.
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I've been working since 2006 so...
(laughter)
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(Susanna) Well, it's at
the end of chapter...
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Yep here we go. Let's see what we have.
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I don't know which one it is.
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[inaudible]
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So usually when we give presentations,
we realize nobody knows
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what we're talking about,
the Saami languages.
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So this is Norway, Sweden,
Finland and Russia.
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And the yellow part--
and it starts quite far down here--
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is the Saami dialect continuum
or language continuum.
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And the languages
that have Wikipedias are five--
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or there's actually only one,
Northern Saami Wikipedia.
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And then the other languages
that we work with are six and seven,
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and Jon Harald is from Wikipedia Norway,
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and they work with the other ones
in Norway and Sweden
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and the Northern Saami one.
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Sää'mjânnam is the name
for this area in Skolt Saami.
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This is somehow...
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Yeah, so.
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(Susanna) Oh yes, while thinking
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about how to serve
these language communities,
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as Kimberli was showing there--
maybe we'll go back to the map,
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the biggest language community
in Saami area is the Northern Saami.
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And when we think of Saami,
we think of Northern Saami,
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but there are at least
eight other Saami communities
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and language groups.
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So we are working with two,
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which is here--it's Inari Saami
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as well Skolt Saami,
they both have around 300 speakers.
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So we cannot expect--
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now going to the next slide--
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there are two different types
of language communities,
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those that have Wikipedias
and therefore are served
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within the Wikimedia ecosystem
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and those that don't have a Wikipedia,
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and therefore it's
much more difficult for them.
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And we find that working
with structured data,
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we can serve
these language communities as well.
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So Kimberli may tell you
about this sticker that you have got.
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So the sticker says--
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in Skolt Saami
which is spoken by about 300 people--
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it says Wikimedia Finland wishes
everyone a happy United Nations
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International Year
of Indigenous Languages 2019.
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And the sticker was created
for an event that we went to
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at the end of August in Northern Finland.
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(Susanna) So, it wasn't that easy.
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So we started setting up language code
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for Skolt Saami and Inari Saami
and found out that it's not
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a straightforward process.
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It's not really documented.
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It was really, really hard
to find out how to do it.
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So we made this elephant metaphor
here as a reindeer.
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So there are different parts
of this Wikimedia environment
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that look at some specific area
of this language,
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definitions and there doesn't seem
to be an overall way
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and process of how to deal
with adding your languages.
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So what we did was we made
a lot of noise
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and tried to ask everyone
to help us, and in the end,
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we managed to first have
Skolt Saami and Inari Saami
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for monolingual properties;
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then to labels in Wikidata;
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and then only to find out
that they wouldn't work
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in structured data on Commons.
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Then again after another process
for that, maybe six months after,
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we find out that they wouldn't work
in Wikipedias
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so I think that's still unsolved.
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(Kimberli) When we first started,
you could only use Northern Saami
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and Southern Saami
in Wikimedia projects.
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And as a bonus part of this,
we have now the ability to use
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the Finnish Romani language also
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within the Wikimedia projects.
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This trying to get your language--
the ability to be able to use
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your language in a Wikimedia project
is not straightforward.
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It's really difficult,
and when you talk to people,
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they're like, "Oh yeah, I'll fix it.
It'll take me five minutes."
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And then, yeah, it takes them
five minutes to fix one thing.
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but then the next thing is not working,
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the next thing, something else breaks,
things like that.
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And if we, people who have been
in the Wikimedia projects forever,
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can't figure out how this thing works
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and how to get things
straightforwardly working,
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then we can't expect communities--
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language communities that aren't
familiar with the Wikimedia projects
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to be able to figure out where to start
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and how to navigate this process.
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It's not possible.
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And there are actual pages
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that people are like, "Oh yeah,
there's a page for this."
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And you're going, "But it doesn't come up
in Google Search for instance,
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so it's not findable."
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- Do you want to say something about that?
- (Susanna) No, that's fine.
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So well we tried to come up
with some things
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that should be looked into.
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This is not an exhaustive list,
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but well, obviously, the process
needs to be streamlined.
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(Kimberli) The one that I really hate
are the language codes.
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Because for instance I did research
with [inaudible]
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which is a specific language of its own.
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And there is no ISO code for it.
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There is an ISO code for [inaudible].
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And they've lumped together
two different languages
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that are completely
unintelligible to each other.
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And so Wikimedia projects use ISO codes
for these type of things.
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And we really think
that there should be
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a more fine-grained level to this.
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For Skolt Saami, even though
there's only 300 people that speak it,
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we have a lot of data for it.
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And there's four main dialects,
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and the words aren't the same
in the four dialects.
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So I would really like to be able to put
this is from the Paaččjokk dialect,
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this is from the Suõ´nn’jel dialect,
and that type of stuff.
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But we can't do that.
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We can't do that for Spanish.
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We can't do it for English even.
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And so something has to be done
about the language codes
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in the Wikimedia projects.
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Yeah, and something that started to happen
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I think is to engage maybe
the broader language,
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linguist language communities
into the decision-making process,
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and maybe they're like the decisions
that need to be made.
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The bureaucracy maybe has
to be somehow assessed.
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What are the decisions that are needed
in this sphere?
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Like what are the application processes?
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What are the... yeah, so.
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Thanks to Benjamin's presentation today,
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I think PanLex needs
to be added to this too.
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(laughing)
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(man) We have individual ISO codes
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for all the languages you mentioned.
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Are you using IETF or... ?
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(man) We start with [inaudible] codes
and [inaudible] codes
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and then they can just get
a variety ID [inaudible].
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[inaudible]
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(Kimberli) Good. We'll talk
about it more in the Q&A then.
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(moderator) If we can repeat
that for the stream
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because it was...
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(Susanna) Okay, I can't. (chuckles)
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- (moderator) We can do it after.
- (Susanna) Right.
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(Kimberli) So some of the ways
that we work together...
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We work with the communities themselves,
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and we were invited
to this 70-year anniversary
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of the Skolts living in Finland.
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They were relocated to Finland
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from when the border was closed off.
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And so they've been living in this area
for seven years,
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and there was a big party going on,
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and we were there.
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She was working with little kids
putting in Moomin characters
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in the different Saami languages
and different words like that.
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Do you want to say
something else about that?
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(Susanna) Yeah, just
to also pinpoint that.
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We can find new ways of working
with data or language
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so we can go to this--
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We can go together with the communities.
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We want to create participatory methods
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in which we can add more information.
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I think we have come up with this idea
of the term of "depictathons"
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now that we can work with images
or translateathons which have been
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done earlier as well,
but these are the kinds of events
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together with the communities
that we can work with the language.
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(Kimberli) So some
of the solutions that we have.
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(Susanna) Here are two ideas
for next year that we have.
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We are developing and seeing
what can be done with them.
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One of them comes
as a collaborative project
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together with the Saami archives
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and the Saami museum in Inari
in the North of Finland,
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and we could collect
cultural heritage concepts
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across these Nordic countries
in different Saami languages,
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but not only Saami languages
but also in the Nordic languages
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because we share
a similar cultural heritage/history
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that we have similar monuments.
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This, of course, came up
with a Wiki Loves Monuments competition
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and archeological finds
across the area are similar.
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And the other one is place names,
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that is a fortunate new project
starting at Wikimedia.
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Norway, that we could expand
to be Pan Nordic,
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to include place names in all these.
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- Pan Saami.
- Pan Saami, ooh.
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(Kimberli) So these are depictathons.
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The Skolt Saami--
there are thousands of pictures
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of the Skolt Saami in Commons.
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They come from different archives,
and they have data,
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the structured data on them
is basically from 100 years ago
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so it's describing things
in the way that they would have been
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described 100 years ago.
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We don't want those,
those ways of description there anymore
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because a lot of them are racist,
quite racist.
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We don't want them.
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The community doesn't want them.
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The community wants to be able
to write what they want to say
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about the pictures in their own language,
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or in Finnish or Norwegian or Swedish.
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And so we've been having depictathons
as an idea that--
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well, we've done it.
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So people can change the captions,
change the descriptions
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of these pictures in Commons,
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and you work with structured data
so I'll let you talk about that.
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(Susanna) Yeah, and well,
let's see our next slide
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because this is just as--
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you all know structured data on Commons
so for you this is no news.
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And I think, well from these,
we also enter delicate questions
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of what are the descriptions,
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but we'll come back to that.
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(Kimberli) In the Northern Saami,
we've been creating
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autogenerated Wikidata info boxes.
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They've been pulling in data
from Wikidata
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because I'm the one person
that's correcting everything
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in the Northern Saami Wikipedia,
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and I don't have time
to change every mayor,
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the population of every country,
things like that.
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So I've been really blessed
with the people
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that have come up and started helping
create these info boxes.
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And it's expanded the amount of knowledge
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we have in the Northern Saami
Wikipedia greatly.
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So this is Nils-Aslak Valkeapää,
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who is one of the most famous Saami
multi-talent--he's a polymath.
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I mean, he was a singer, a writer,
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artist, and we now have
this info box there for him,
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all of the data which is pulled
from Wikidata.
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Before we had maybe three lines
and no picture.
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(Susanna) And this applies specifically
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of course to the languages
that have a Wikipedia.
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(Kimberli) Yeah, but doesn't work
in an incubator.
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(Susanna) Yep.
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This is quite exciting now.
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Once we have the--
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well, we are not working
with lexicographical data,
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like specifically.
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We will extend to it,
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but we are concerned mainly
about labels and items so far.
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So what this makes possible
is tagging content,
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museums, libraries
as well as broadcasters.
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Yle, the Finnish Broadcasting Company
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as they are already using
the Wikidata for tagging,
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this might be an opportunity
for the small Saami languages
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in the Nordic area.
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And this is my opportunity to show
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my project Wikidocumentaries as well
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because it is a project that reads--
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well, it's difficult to make the change...
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Let me have [inaudible] help.
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Yeah, there.
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So here we have a page
in Wikidocumentaries,
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which is now in English.
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This is a project that consumes
information from the Wikimedia sphere.
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Every item in Wikidata has a page,
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or can be made into a page
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or is automatically created into a page.
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Then it gathers all this information
across Wikimedia projects,
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and the interface exists already
in 40 plus languages,
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and I would be able
to change the interface
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and then see all the same data
in another language.
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I could also, as you can see,
or you were able to see
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in the English one,
that there is no article on this
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in the English Wikipedia.
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Therefore you could go to see
which languages it exists,
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and this one is in Northern Saami.
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So you would be able to switch
only the article language.
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But also then it can also display
any language
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that is encoded in Wikidata.
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So we also get it
in the same page in Skolt Saami.
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Although, there is no Wikipedia,
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you get all the same content
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in these languages.
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(Kimberli) There is actually
an article about her
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in Skolt Saami on the incubator,
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but it doesn't work with Wikidocumentaries
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because of the way
the incubator is encoded.
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(Susanna) Oh yeah.
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And just briefly, I'm very excited
in thinking about an app
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that will gamify this
or like collecting these terms
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into Wikidata.
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But I haven't landed on one,
and I'm sure there are experiences
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of that across this community,
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and it would be interesting
to put together our thoughts on that.
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(Kimberli) So there's
quite a few challenges
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that we have in these projects.
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This picture, if you come across it
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on any Wikipedia please delete it.
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It's two Finns dressed as Saami people.
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It's labeled fake Saami clothing,
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and people still use it
on Wikipedia projects.
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I don't know why.
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So we have false data.
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We have racist--and with the Saami,
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we have a lot of eugenics-based data.
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So when they were trying to prove
that the Saami were a lower race
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so they could sterilize them
and things like that,
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we have a lot of that data
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because that's the stuff
that comes out of archives.
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Data usage--data has been used
without the consent
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of the communities,
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and for instance, the Skolt community
was kind of shocked to see
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that their relatives are in Commons,
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and they weren't very appreciative of it.
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Sensitive data,
which Stacy can talk more about.
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Yeah, this is used
on the Hungarian Wikipedia.
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Here's that lovely picture
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describing that these people
are Saami people.
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Please delete it.
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Yeah, this is more
what Stacy will talk about.
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(Susanna) Leave it to you?
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(Kimberli) Sensitive data.
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TK labels--you want to talk about before.
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(Susanna) You're not addressing them.
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I think we could also look
into identifying content
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already on Commons
or just about to enter Commons,
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how to tag and identify, tag
and perhaps delete
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or then find out restricting
the usage of this media.
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Well, it's very short,
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but let's see if we have
more opportunities to discuss that.
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(Kimberli) We can skip this part.
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Sorry.
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I want to say that this is the week
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of the Saami Language Week this week
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so please feel free to use hashtags
for Saami languages.
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Gæjhtoe!
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(Susanna) Spä'sseb!
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(Kimberli) Spä'sseb!
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Takkâ.
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(applause)