WEBVTT 00:00:06.920 --> 00:00:13.140 On June 16, 2015, Donald Trump descended an escalator into the gilded lobby of Trump Tower 00:00:13.140 --> 00:00:15.871 in downtown Manhattan, to officially announce 00:00:15.871 --> 00:00:19.360 his candidacy for President of the United States. 00:00:19.360 --> 00:00:23.260 That is some group of people. Thousands! 00:00:23.260 --> 00:00:26.657 The idea that Trump could actually win the US Presidential election 00:00:26.657 --> 00:00:28.960 didn’t occur to many people at the time. 00:00:28.965 --> 00:00:32.529 Certainly not to American liberals, who viewed his campaign 00:00:32.529 --> 00:00:36.730 as an irrelevant publicity stunt, and a way to score some easy laughs. 00:00:36.730 --> 00:00:39.670 Donald Trump just last week, he confirmed to the National Review 00:00:39.670 --> 00:00:42.660 that he is again considering a run in 2016 00:00:42.660 --> 00:00:43.830 Do it! 00:00:43.830 --> 00:00:44.830 (Laughter) 00:00:44.830 --> 00:00:48.510 Do it! Look at me. Do it! 00:00:48.510 --> 00:00:52.901 As the months dragged on, this laughter became tinged by a growing sense of unease, 00:00:52.901 --> 00:00:56.010 as Trump steadily rose to the head of the Republican pack. 00:00:56.010 --> 00:01:01.735 Donald Trump is America’s back mole. It may have seemed harmless a year ago. 00:01:01.735 --> 00:01:06.430 But now that it’s gotten frighteningly bigger, it is no longer wise to ignore it. 00:01:06.430 --> 00:01:10.463 Yet even as he ascended the stage of the Republican National Convention 00:01:10.463 --> 00:01:14.670 to accept his party’s nomination in July of 2016, 00:01:14.670 --> 00:01:16.386 many people still refused to believe 00:01:16.386 --> 00:01:18.670 what was happening right before their eyes. 00:01:18.670 --> 00:01:23.247 We’re back with David Hundo P Plouffe, the man who says Hillary Clinton 00:01:23.247 --> 00:01:24.799 has a 100 percent chance of winning 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:26.790 I continue to believe Mr. Trump will not be president 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:30.280 So you think this presidential race is just about over? 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:32.846 Virtually over, the only thing that could save Donald Trump now is frankly, 00:01:32.846 --> 00:01:34.610 some type of external intervention 00:01:34.610 --> 00:01:39.408 This came to an abrupt end on election night, as stunned pundits soberly announced 00:01:39.408 --> 00:01:44.850 that Donald J Trump would be sworn in as the 45th President of the United States. 00:01:44.850 --> 00:01:46.100 (sighs) 00:01:47.060 --> 00:01:50.942 You’re awake by the way… You are not having a terrible, terrible dream, 00:01:50.942 --> 00:01:53.417 also you’re not dead and you haven’t gone to hell… 00:01:53.417 --> 00:01:55.320 This is your life now, this is our election now 00:01:55.320 --> 00:01:58.280 this is us, this is our country, It's real 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:01.280 USA!! USA!! 00:02:01.380 --> 00:02:03.389 Thank you! 00:02:03.389 --> 00:02:07.130 The Democratic Party, and its various corporate media appendages, 00:02:07.130 --> 00:02:10.664 had grossly underestimated the anti-establishment backlash, 00:02:10.664 --> 00:02:14.260 that decades of neoliberal pcapitalist policies had fostered 00:02:14.260 --> 00:02:17.256 among broad swathes of the American population. 00:02:17.256 --> 00:02:19.870 Trump’s campaign had effectively tapped 00:02:19.870 --> 00:02:22.140 this deep reservoir of seething anger, 00:02:22.140 --> 00:02:24.890 and poured gasoline on the flames by appealing 00:02:24.890 --> 00:02:28.780 to the patriarchal and nationalist impulses of white America. 00:02:28.780 --> 00:02:36.660 Get the fuck out of here! Our country motherfucker! Our country! A proud fuckin American! 00:02:36.660 --> 00:02:41.110 Made in USA bitch! Trump! Donald Trump! Fuck you! 00:02:42.110 --> 00:02:45.931 On election night, as 4Chan trolls and alt-right figures celebrated, 00:02:45.931 --> 00:02:49.682 and liberals sank into paralysis and fatalistic despair... 00:02:49.682 --> 00:02:53.370 anarchists, anti-authoritarians and crowds of angry youth 00:02:53.370 --> 00:02:55.190 took to the streets. 00:02:55.190 --> 00:02:59.169 In cities across the country, large, spontaneous demonstrations broke out 00:02:59.169 --> 00:03:02.084 before the votes were even finished being tallied. 00:03:02.084 --> 00:03:04.327 Many of these protests were militant, 00:03:04.327 --> 00:03:07.817 with participants burning effigies, clashing with police 00:03:07.817 --> 00:03:09.970 and shutting down major highways. 00:03:09.970 --> 00:03:12.998 In Oakland, two police cars were smashed up and burned, 00:03:12.998 --> 00:03:16.390 and several cops were sent to the hospital with injuries. 00:03:16.390 --> 00:03:20.102 Within this charged political atmosphere, a multi-city network 00:03:20.102 --> 00:03:23.800 of anarchists stepped up to begin planning a massive demonstration 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:27.908 aimed to coincide with Trump’s inauguration on January 20th. 00:03:27.908 --> 00:03:33.590 Within days, a website was calling on people to hashtag Disrupt J20. 00:03:33.590 --> 00:03:37.052 Over the next thirty minutes, we will take a look at the historic protests 00:03:37.052 --> 00:03:39.313 that rocked the streets of DC that day, 00:03:39.313 --> 00:03:43.362 as well as the unprecedented wave of mass repression that followed. 00:03:43.362 --> 00:03:48.010 Along the way, we will speak with a number of defendants and their supporters 00:03:48.010 --> 00:03:51.513 as they share their experiences of running riot in Washington, 00:03:51.513 --> 00:03:54.200 taking on the Department of Justice in court... 00:03:54.200 --> 00:03:56.940 and ultimately... staying OUT of Trouble. 00:04:15.550 --> 00:04:23.160 We need somebody, that literally will take this country and make it great again. 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:26.510 News: Donald Trump wins the presidency! 00:04:26.510 --> 00:04:30.010 The next day, we’re just like, now what? 00:04:30.010 --> 00:04:34.500 Days later, we had a website up, put together a video, a facebook event, and all this. 00:04:34.500 --> 00:04:41.110 Folks got a spokescouncil together. It was probably one of the best mobilizations 00:04:41.110 --> 00:04:43.230 of coalitions that I’ve ever been a part of. 00:04:43.230 --> 00:04:50.164 The spokescouncils were according to the principles of consensus and according to also 00:04:50.164 --> 00:04:52.822 the Saint-Paul Principles of organizing. 00:04:52.822 --> 00:04:57.350 It’s a great way to organize a massive number of people according 00:04:57.350 --> 00:05:00.490 to basic anarchist principles. 00:05:02.448 --> 00:05:07.490 Our solidarity will be based on respect for a diversity of tactics and the plans of other groups. 00:05:07.490 --> 00:05:13.020 The actions and tactics used will be organized to maintain a separation of time or space. 00:05:13.020 --> 00:05:17.060 Any debates or criticisms will stay internal to the movement, 00:05:17.960 --> 00:05:21.860 avoiding any public or media denunciations of fellow activists and events. 00:05:21.860 --> 00:05:28.030 We oppose any state repression of dissent, including surveillance,infiltration, disruption and violence. 00:05:28.030 --> 00:05:32.330 We agree not to assist law enforcement actions against activists and others. 00:05:32.820 --> 00:05:37.400 Different assemblies organized different aspects and there was about nine different blockades 00:05:37.400 --> 00:05:41.400 that were organized in those assemblies as well as, like, a permitted march, 00:05:41.400 --> 00:05:45.090 J19 which was kind of like, a protest against Deploraball, 00:05:45.090 --> 00:05:47.930 as well as the anti-capitalist and anti-fascist march 00:05:50.300 --> 00:05:55.043 So we were able to convene broader mass meetings that drew four to six hundred people 00:05:55.043 --> 00:06:01.310 in some cases. Break down into smaller working groups around the specific direct-action blockades, 00:06:01.310 --> 00:06:07.600 the unpermitted march, the permitted festival of resistance, art, housing, medics, legal 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:09.590 like, we had a whole array of things. 00:06:09.590 --> 00:06:14.930 No one wanted to just show up and just show out. Like there was a definite message about 00:06:14.930 --> 00:06:17.030 disrupting the inauguration. 00:06:18.030 --> 00:06:20.716 News 1: Burning cars and smashed windows! 00:06:20.716 --> 00:06:23.340 The protesters dressed in black 00:06:23.340 --> 00:06:25.637 their faces covered, armed with hammers and bricks. 00:06:25.637 --> 00:06:29.630 News 2: Bricks and rocks being thrown right here at the police! 00:06:29.630 --> 00:06:31.230 News 3: Six officers reportedly injured. 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:50.280 This thing’s crazy. 00:06:50.930 --> 00:06:52.370 Black Lives! Matter! 00:06:52.370 --> 00:06:53.170 Make nazis afraid again! 00:06:55.170 --> 00:06:58.929 So that day our goal was to shut down a checkpoint. 00:06:58.929 --> 00:07:01.980 We started with a rally in front of the MPD offices 00:07:01.980 --> 00:07:06.770 Obviously one of the things we continue to fight is the police brutality and murder 00:07:06.770 --> 00:07:07.526 here in DC. 00:07:07.526 --> 00:07:13.300 The first thing we did was lock up in chains to what would have been the checkpoint 00:07:13.300 --> 00:07:17.132 entrances to the actual parade route. We got there before it opened. 00:07:17.132 --> 00:07:20.180 Nobody ever got through that checkpoint for the entire day. 00:07:20.180 --> 00:07:22.430 We certainly attended with an obvious attempt 00:07:22.430 --> 00:07:26.570 to disrupt the inauguration specifically because of the rising fascism of Trump. 00:07:26.570 --> 00:07:30.556 There was a little speech, and then we just started marching. 00:07:30.556 --> 00:07:32.038 In the beginning it was just like any normal march. 00:07:32.038 --> 00:07:34.370 People chanting, y’know, down the street. 00:07:34.370 --> 00:07:40.710 And then slowly I noticed people pulling trash cans and newspaper bins into the street. 00:07:40.710 --> 00:07:42.960 And then there was fireworks. 00:07:42.960 --> 00:07:50.510 And then finally like, i started seeing windows broken. I remember seeing the Bank of America. 00:07:50.510 --> 00:07:53.230 All of their windows were completely gone. 00:07:56.230 --> 00:07:59.185 So this is what happens in the rest of the world 00:07:59.185 --> 00:08:01.880 when people fight against a fascist government. 00:08:01.880 --> 00:08:05.199 Levels of seriousness that are not like our protests here 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:07.472 where we yell and scream and then go home. 00:08:07.472 --> 00:08:10.950 That people start realizing like, this is a little more serious 00:08:10.950 --> 00:08:14.740 than just “I’m mad today” or “our president is going to be terrible” 00:08:14.740 --> 00:08:21.290 Yeah pand looking back as a participant that day cemented what solidarity looks like. 00:08:25.290 --> 00:08:27.920 But then all of a sudden, everyone just started running. 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:30.330 The cops would come and corner us one way 00:08:30.330 --> 00:08:33.169 making us go another way. And then they’d corner us this way. 00:08:33.169 --> 00:08:37.500 So while we’re running away eventually we notice there’s a whole bunch of cops in front of us. 00:08:42.289 --> 00:08:46.036 We were eventually kettled on a corner of 12th and L Street in downtown DC. 00:08:46.036 --> 00:08:53.060 The bravery and the spirit that people maintained during a very long period of being held outside 00:08:53.060 --> 00:08:57.217 on the corner and so we were held from about 10am until well after nightfall. 00:08:57.217 --> 00:09:02.420 And people were very good about sharing food and sharing water and medical supplies and cigarettes 00:09:02.420 --> 00:09:05.155 or whatever else people needed to kind of keep their state of normal. 00:09:05.155 --> 00:09:10.880 And so the actual arrest was a very interesting time where people were sharing tactical advice and strategic advice. 00:09:12.050 --> 00:09:14.800 And then eventually we were just arrested one by one 00:09:14.800 --> 00:09:18.890 and spent the night in jail and were released the next evening. 00:09:28.171 --> 00:09:33.540 For years now, cops in DC have had a reputation for being relatively restrained when it comes 00:09:33.540 --> 00:09:38.130 to dealing with public protests. But while it’s therefore understandable that the indiscriminate 00:09:38.130 --> 00:09:43.410 use of flash bangs, pepper spray and mass arrest that occurred at the J20 protests caught 00:09:43.410 --> 00:09:48.400 many participants by surprise... these actions weren’t without historical precedent. 00:09:48.400 --> 00:09:54.281 Hey hey! Ho ho! The IMF has got to go! Hey hey! Ho ho! 00:09:54.550 --> 00:09:59.160 Back in the heyday of the anti-globalization movement, Washington was ground zero for two 00:09:59.160 --> 00:10:04.560 major protests against the World Bank and IMF, where similarly heavy-handed crowd control 00:10:04.560 --> 00:10:10.940 tactics were employed by DC’s Metropolitan Police Department, or MPD, as part an official 00:10:10.940 --> 00:10:16.110 policy of preemptive mass arrest, dubbed ‘trap and detain’. 00:10:16.110 --> 00:10:21.081 At the so-called A16 anti-capitalist demonstrations of April, 2000, 00:10:21.081 --> 00:10:23.530 the MPD arrested over 1300 people 00:10:23.530 --> 00:10:29.350 including a sweeping round-up of 648 protesters on the eve of the weekend’s 00:10:29.350 --> 00:10:30.830 major demonstration. 00:10:30.830 --> 00:10:38.270 Two years later, at a similar protest in September of 2002, the MPD and federal US Parks Police 00:10:38.270 --> 00:10:42.396 encircled and mass-arrested around 400 people in Pershing Park, 00:10:42.396 --> 00:10:44.699 one block away from the White House. 00:10:44.699 --> 00:10:49.890 Detainees were hog tied and left in stress positions for more than 24 hours 00:10:49.890 --> 00:10:52.110 before ultimately being released. 00:10:52.110 --> 00:10:56.780 Civil rights lawyers, led by the Partnership for Civil Justice, responded to these two 00:10:56.780 --> 00:11:02.500 mass arrests by suing the MPD and the federal government. The resulting lawsuits cost DC 00:11:02.500 --> 00:11:07.440 taxpayers over $20 million dollars in damages, embarrassed city politicians and the police 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:13.480 top brass, and ultimately led to legislation that placed new controls on police activity, 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:18.550 including guidelines explicitly outlawing the use of arbitrary mass detention. 00:11:18.550 --> 00:11:22.990 But it’s a well-known fact that police don’t exactly appreciate checks on their authority... 00:11:22.990 --> 00:11:25.517 and the cops in DC are no exception. 00:11:25.517 --> 00:11:30.020 On the day of the Disrupt J20 protests, Interim Police Chief, Peter Newsham, 00:11:30.020 --> 00:11:33.760 who 16 years earlier had personally ordered the mass arrest of 00:11:33.760 --> 00:11:38.181 protesters in Pershing Park, had been on the job for just over four months. 00:11:38.181 --> 00:11:41.342 And no doubt emboldened by Trump’s campaign promises 00:11:41.342 --> 00:11:43.770 to give cops free reign to brutalize people 00:11:43.770 --> 00:11:49.604 however they saw fit, he decided that the era of playing nice was over. 00:11:58.110 --> 00:12:02.240 On January 21st over 230 people had spent the night in lock-up, 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:04.430 but we didn't know what the charges were going to be. 00:12:05.390 --> 00:12:09.875 When we were first arrested I assumed that it would just be a $50 fine. 00:12:09.870 --> 00:12:14.588 The day of our court date I realized that we were all actually being charged with 00:12:14.588 --> 00:12:18.967 a felony, and I was like 'woah, this is big.' 00:12:20.110 --> 00:12:22.804 There was a solid amount of people that were just, frankly, scared. 00:12:22.804 --> 00:12:24.264 And for, like, good reason. 00:12:24.264 --> 00:12:25.550 Fuck your dreams. 00:12:25.550 --> 00:12:27.184 Fuck your aspirations. 00:12:27.184 --> 00:12:28.170 Y'know... you're gonna be in jail. 00:12:28.170 --> 00:12:32.147 That's another world you have to process and readjust yourself to. 00:12:32.147 --> 00:12:34.820 And we were not about to go there. 00:12:34.820 --> 00:12:38.720 So we were initially each charged with one count of felony riot. 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:42.610 Three months later, while I was at an anarchist gathering in Mexico, I received an email from 00:12:42.610 --> 00:12:46.100 a comrade, which informed me that the superceding indictment had been issued. 00:12:46.100 --> 00:12:50.920 And in that superceding indictment we were given numerous additional charges. 00:12:50.920 --> 00:12:53.100 This includes felony riot, 00:12:53.100 --> 00:12:54.620 conspiracy to riot, 00:12:54.620 --> 00:12:56.410 several counts of destruction of property, 00:12:56.410 --> 00:12:57.570 inciting a riot, 00:12:57.570 --> 00:13:01.593 several counts of assault and several counts of assault on an officer with a deadly weapon. 00:13:01.593 --> 00:13:06.480 It was insane... y'know, facing 80 years in prison was very nerve-wracking. 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:11.360 The idea is to charge people with far more crimes than you could possibly convict on. 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:16.920 And though you realize that this is probably just a scare tactic to get people to accept 00:13:16.920 --> 00:13:19.970 pleas... you're still facing 80 years in prison. 00:13:19.970 --> 00:13:25.000 In Washington DC, prosecutors have filed a slew of additional felony and misdemeanor 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:29.520 charges against more than 200 people who were arrested at protests during President Trump's 00:13:29.520 --> 00:13:31.873 inauguration January 20th. 00:13:31.873 --> 00:13:39.100 The new charges mean protesters are now facing up to 75 years in prison. 00:13:39.100 --> 00:13:42.380 After the mobilization, Washington DC was fairly spent. 00:13:42.380 --> 00:13:48.050 So as we were kind of developing the legal collective and legal framework, particularly 00:13:48.050 --> 00:13:54.360 MACC, the Metropolitan Anarchist Coordinating Council and Richmond folks kind of, like, 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:56.080 stepped up. 00:13:57.620 --> 00:14:03.010 I became more involved in providing legal support on January 21st, sort of directly 00:14:03.010 --> 00:14:04.010 in the aftermath. 00:14:04.010 --> 00:14:07.520 There were multiple different sort of hubs of people providing different kinds of support, 00:14:07.520 --> 00:14:11.670 and the place that I was most active was in the DC Legal Posse - the collective that sort 00:14:11.670 --> 00:14:13.970 of sprung up specifically to provide support. 00:14:13.970 --> 00:14:19.200 MACC helped bottom-line the initial assemblies of the defendants that allowed for folks to 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:23.230 draw together four different points of unity to sign onto. 00:14:23.230 --> 00:14:26.440 People would break off, come up with ideas and then we would discuss them. 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:32.120 Like 'I don't like this point, but I do like this point... let's expand a bit on this point.' 00:14:33.950 --> 00:14:39.310 Everything was hinging on having to make this shit work. 00:14:39.310 --> 00:14:41.980 This was very much a multi-city, decentralized effort. 00:14:41.980 --> 00:14:46.045 Multi-city for us meant Movement for Black Lives more locally, 00:14:46.045 --> 00:14:49.794 but in contacting the Movement for Black Lives nationally 00:14:49.794 --> 00:14:54.010 which is made up of about 75 different national organizations. 00:14:54.010 --> 00:14:57.750 And really coordinating with them to talk about what this meant. 00:14:57.750 --> 00:15:02.380 And to make sure that when we talked about it, that we always incorporated places like 00:15:02.380 --> 00:15:08.136 Ferguson, where there are political prisoners from the Ferguson uprising. 00:15:08.136 --> 00:15:12.250 So the coordination were essentially weekly meetings and different calls where people 00:15:12.250 --> 00:15:14.890 did legal research and kind of, like, formed working groups. 00:15:14.890 --> 00:15:17.540 And those working-groups did various tasks. 00:15:17.540 --> 00:15:19.950 I was able to help with a lot of the media work. 00:15:19.950 --> 00:15:23.050 Y'know, the defendants wanted to do their own media. 00:15:23.050 --> 00:15:26.660 And, like... that's the best kind of media there is anyway. 00:15:26.660 --> 00:15:28.060 I gave a bunch of interviews. 00:15:28.060 --> 00:15:32.300 We did a lot of off-the-record background for reporters to explain how this case fits 00:15:32.300 --> 00:15:33.770 into a larger context. 00:15:33.770 --> 00:15:35.310 There was a very robust campaign. 00:15:35.310 --> 00:15:37.570 We had yard signs, it was very grassroots. 00:15:37.570 --> 00:15:38.860 It was very professional. 00:15:38.860 --> 00:15:42.250 So I was really proud of the work that everyone did. 00:15:42.250 --> 00:15:44.680 We used a lot of decentralized tactics to approach it. 00:15:44.680 --> 00:15:48.920 One of the things which is really quite amazing, with the large and diverse group of people 00:15:48.920 --> 00:15:53.560 who faced federal prosecution, was the ability of people to act collectively and to resist 00:15:53.560 --> 00:15:58.687 this kind of knee-jerk reaction to take some sort of plea bargain. 00:16:04.930 --> 00:16:08.940 Before J20, there had been folks charged with rioting at Standing Rock. 00:16:08.940 --> 00:16:11.533 I think that there was a charge in Minneapolis. 00:16:11.533 --> 00:16:14.200 There was a charge brought the same day in New Orleans. 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.560 I think that there were similar charges brought against activists in Sacramento. 00:16:17.560 --> 00:16:21.120 And so people were worried that this was going to be part of a wave. 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:26.170 I would say that the charges are designed to criminalize certain forms of dissent. 00:16:26.170 --> 00:16:30.270 They're designed certainly to criminalize tactics and strategies. 00:16:30.270 --> 00:16:34.920 Specifically the use of public mass assemblies and specifically the use of black bloc tactics. 00:16:34.920 --> 00:16:40.450 The US Justice Department actually tried to say that participating in a black bloc was 00:16:40.450 --> 00:16:42.190 a conspiracy to riot. 00:16:42.190 --> 00:16:47.550 Very early on it became clear that the state had taken the 230 people and broken them up 00:16:47.550 --> 00:16:49.120 into categories. 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:54.230 And it seemed to be that the categories were meant to show a continuum of culpability. 00:16:54.230 --> 00:16:57.270 There was 'movers', which were like... allowed for reabsorbtion. 00:16:57.270 --> 00:17:02.730 There was alleged 'breakers', which were people who did an alleged act, such as break a window 00:17:02.730 --> 00:17:06.810 or throw a newspaper box into the street. 00:17:06.810 --> 00:17:11.700 The third category, which I was accused of, was an alleged 'organizer'. 00:17:11.700 --> 00:17:16.240 People who allegedly made the black bloc on J20 happen. 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:20.819 The fact that there had been these changes to police procedure... these limitations to 00:17:20.819 --> 00:17:26.050 police tactics that had been won after some pretty brutal clashes in the early 2000s, 00:17:26.050 --> 00:17:27.880 had sort of established the tone in DC. 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:32.030 And I think that a lot of people in DC had gotten used to the police handling people 00:17:32.030 --> 00:17:33.030 with kid gloves. 00:17:33.030 --> 00:17:36.868 And I think the police had gotten used to a lot of permitted marches. 00:17:36.868 --> 00:17:39.370 I've grown up here. I've lived here my whole life. 00:17:39.370 --> 00:17:43.900 We thought that there wouldn't be mass arrests on J20 because there hadn't been mass arrests 00:17:43.900 --> 00:17:46.600 in something like the decade prior. 00:17:46.600 --> 00:17:49.940 One of the reasons that it caught everyone off guard in DC is that the law that was used 00:17:49.940 --> 00:17:54.330 to prosecute people hadn't actually been used to prosecute anyone since the early 70s. 00:17:54.330 --> 00:17:58.360 And it was passed by congress in the wake of the uprisings in Newark and Detroit, basically 00:17:58.360 --> 00:18:02.610 because they were afraid about the prospect of Black people rising up in DC. 00:18:02.610 --> 00:18:08.108 There was a definite need to say why we support J20. 00:18:08.108 --> 00:18:12.730 Y'know, lotta times folks were like 'that's just them skinny white folks with masks on... 00:18:12.730 --> 00:18:15.031 and we don't have anything to do with that.' 00:18:15.031 --> 00:18:19.340 When the truth is... they are us, and we are them. 00:18:19.340 --> 00:18:24.332 And so it could have been us on J20, but it's always us as Black liberation fighters. 00:18:24.332 --> 00:18:29.569 The potential threat for becoming political prisoners or political casualties 00:18:29.569 --> 00:18:32.757 is high in this game, and we know that. 00:18:39.670 --> 00:18:43.171 Federal prosecutors in the United States have become quite fond 00:18:43.171 --> 00:18:47.522 of grossly overcharging defendants in hopes of scaring them into taking plea deals. 00:18:47.522 --> 00:18:53.120 It’s a big reason why more than 90% of criminal offences in the US never make it to trial. 00:18:53.120 --> 00:18:58.290 This was the same tried and tested strategy, that US Assistant Prosecutor and Deputy Chief 00:18:58.290 --> 00:19:04.440 of DC’s Felony Major Crimes Division, Jennifer Kerkhoff, tried to use on the J20 co-defendants, 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:09.340 by slapping a staggering list of felonies on nearly 200 individuals connected only by 00:19:09.340 --> 00:19:14.240 the dubious assertion that everyone arrested on the streets of DC that day was part of 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:16.300 a conspiracy to riot. 00:19:16.300 --> 00:19:21.000 Kerkhoff no doubt expected those on the receiving end of these charges to freak out and start 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:25.270 flipping on one another... thereby setting the stage for a series of easy convictions 00:19:25.270 --> 00:19:27.150 for lesser charges. 00:19:27.150 --> 00:19:31.400 Unfortunately for her, the J20 defendants refused to roll over. 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:36.410 Early on in their legal process, many of them signed onto a shared statement of principles, 00:19:36.410 --> 00:19:40.030 in which they made it clear that they would refuse to cooperate with the state’s efforts 00:19:40.030 --> 00:19:45.610 to prosecute them, and pledged to coordinate legal defence and support efforts. 00:19:45.610 --> 00:19:50.100 Faced with this firm resolve and collective solidarity, the US Department of Justice had 00:19:50.100 --> 00:19:53.520 no choice but to try and make their outlandish case stick. 00:19:53.520 --> 00:19:58.160 In a desperate attempt to do just this, they subpoenaed California-based hosting provider, 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:01.810 Dreamhost, to try and force them to turn over the IP addresses 00:20:01.810 --> 00:20:06.226 of everyone who visited the website DisruptJ20.org 00:20:06.226 --> 00:20:10.970 They also sought access to suspected organizers’ personal facebook accounts, in an attempt 00:20:10.970 --> 00:20:15.470 to dig up dirt that might help prove the existence of a conspiracy. 00:20:15.470 --> 00:20:20.210 These efforts largely failed, and they were forced to rely heavily on evidence provided 00:20:20.210 --> 00:20:22.710 by discredited far-right news outlets. 00:20:22.710 --> 00:20:27.121 The ensuing trials were a massive humiliation for Kerkhoff 00:20:27.121 --> 00:20:30.041 and the entire American justice system. 00:20:40.120 --> 00:20:44.610 Conspiracies are essentially a thought crime, A conspiracy to riot is essentially 00:20:44.610 --> 00:20:48.191 three people getting together and saying 00:20:48.191 --> 00:20:50.430 "there should be a riot." 00:20:50.430 --> 00:20:55.320 What conspiracy law basically says is, that anyone who's convicted of or can be 00:20:55.320 --> 00:21:00.440 found liable for any particular crime, in this case the criminal conspiracy is 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:04.480 thus responsible for all the crimes that stem from that. 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:08.760 Essentially saying if you were out on the streets on, you know, inauguration day and 00:21:08.760 --> 00:21:10.650 you were dressed a certain way 00:21:10.650 --> 00:21:12.625 Chanting the same chants 00:21:12.625 --> 00:21:16.280 AK47, put the cops in piggie heaven! 00:21:16.280 --> 00:21:18.840 Espousing certain messages 00:21:20.670 --> 00:21:22.270 Like bringing a medic 00:21:22.270 --> 00:21:28.599 You are presumptively part of a plot hundreds of people deep to riot in the streets 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:34.140 The state asserted in a rather untraditional way that the conspiracy itself can be spontaneous. 00:21:34.140 --> 00:21:38.480 In other words if two people are walking by a store and they say “hey that store looks 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:42.840 unlocked let's go rob it” that a conspiracy is actually derived in that moment. 00:21:42.840 --> 00:21:50.120 So the state argued that during the the J20 actions that people conspired in the streets. 00:21:50.120 --> 00:21:54.880 It means that they have a much lower bar to clear in terms of what they need to prove, 00:21:54.880 --> 00:22:01.870 that gives prosecutors an incredible amount of leeway in terms of who they can charge. 00:22:01.870 --> 00:22:05.650 The state would consistently assert that defendant “A” did not assault 00:22:05.650 --> 00:22:10.120 anyone nor did they break any windows, but by being present at an assembly they 00:22:10.120 --> 00:22:15.460 have thus conspired to facilitate others to break windows and to carry out assault. 00:22:15.460 --> 00:22:19.670 Hey there everyone this is James O'Keefe with project Veritas after we released these 00:22:19.670 --> 00:22:24.730 few videos exposing Disrupt J20 we have a couple updates for you. 00:22:24.730 --> 00:22:31.800 Project Veritas is an organization that has made their mark sending these individuals 00:22:31.800 --> 00:22:35.750 into organizations and planning meetings who are 00:22:35.750 --> 00:22:42.530 pretending to just be another left-wing participant just another lefty but actually they're wired 00:22:42.530 --> 00:22:49.340 up with secret cameras and try to find things that they think they can use as dirt against 00:22:49.340 --> 00:22:55.270 the organization to try these organizations in the court of public opinion and either 00:22:55.270 --> 00:22:58.840 bring down their funding or bring down their support and give them a bad name 00:22:58.840 --> 00:23:05.820 our attorney met with the Terrorism Task Force detective this morning the representative 00:23:05.820 --> 00:23:10.630 from the US Attorney's Office was also going to be attending and our attorney reports to 00:23:10.630 --> 00:23:16.000 us that they are looking at the full footage they are investigating they're analyzing the 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:20.560 tapes and the batches of emails we sent them so they contacted us last night looks like 00:23:20.560 --> 00:23:22.338 there's been some legal developments 00:23:22.338 --> 00:23:29.640 the prosecution was convinced that this one video that they had of an open public meeting 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:33.631 where the the anti-capitalist anti-fascist march was discussed 00:23:33.631 --> 00:23:36.700 was like a really important part of their case 00:23:36.700 --> 00:23:42.442 I made an offhanded comment that became kind of like a center for why I got indicted 00:23:42.442 --> 00:23:46.946 Just remember when we go to the festival of resistance, that’s like a space that’s 00:23:46.946 --> 00:23:51.720 supposed to be family friendly, so, don’t break a window at, the festival of resistance 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:55.110 You know in hindsight I made a dumb comment. 00:23:55.110 --> 00:23:59.440 Project Veritas was not actually the only sort of ultra right-wing organization, that 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:02.660 the US Attorney's Office and the Metropolitan Police Department collaborated with and used 00:24:02.660 --> 00:24:05.140 footage from in this prosecution 00:24:05.140 --> 00:24:12.490 I think Alex Jones and various other far right-wing outlets actually infiltrated the mass meetings 00:24:12.490 --> 00:24:18.340 They also got independent footage and reports from the Oathkeepers which is a right-wing 00:24:18.340 --> 00:24:21.883 militia from rebel media, and which is an alt right 00:24:21.883 --> 00:24:25.693 white nationalist media outlet from Canada 00:24:27.153 --> 00:24:28.790 Hammers holy crap! 00:24:28.790 --> 00:24:32.200 This is not peaceful protest this is anarchy! 00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:38.630 At the end of the last of those video files, the Project Veritas operative is chatting 00:24:38.630 --> 00:24:44.190 with a few people and they you see at the end of the video, the initial one that we 00:24:44.190 --> 00:24:49.410 got the operative and this guy he was talking to walk out of the doors 00:24:49.410 --> 00:24:51.390 in the building they're in and the video just stops. 00:24:51.390 --> 00:24:53.320 Go back out there… 00:24:53.320 --> 00:25:01.940 A year plus later after some litigation about, you know very generally speaking, the completeness 00:25:01.940 --> 00:25:07.410 of the Project Veritas cache that the defense had been given, the government made a second 00:25:07.410 --> 00:25:13.330 disclosure of the four video files we got, plus some additional video files we had never 00:25:13.330 --> 00:25:15.326 been given access to. 00:25:15.326 --> 00:25:17.433 The fourth video file of that initial four 00:25:17.433 --> 00:25:20.456 that was disclosed, when we get to the end scene 00:25:20.456 --> 00:25:22.708 when the Veritas operative and the other 00:25:22.708 --> 00:25:25.250 gentlemen are walking out it doesn't abruptly end. 00:25:25.250 --> 00:25:28.270 The US Attorney's Office protested that the reason they cut that off is because there 00:25:28.270 --> 00:25:32.890 was nothing on-screen, and so people think that maybe like the person who was wearing 00:25:32.890 --> 00:25:37.000 the button cam put on a jacket, so they were still audio but there was no video. 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:40.840 And in that audio the person who was recording the video called Veritas and said: 00:25:40.840 --> 00:25:47.890 Yeah I was talking with one of the organizers from the IWW, I don't think they know anything 00:25:47.890 --> 00:25:50.700 about like the upper echelon stuff 00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:55.610 That led obviously do a whole bunch of uproar and more litigation 00:25:55.610 --> 00:25:58.940 They withheld like 69 videos, but they also withheld 00:25:58.940 --> 00:26:01.925 the identity of the person who filmed the videos 00:26:01.925 --> 00:26:06.002 a week before trial my lawyer was actually able to interview them 00:26:06.002 --> 00:26:08.754 and all of a sudden they also became a star witness in my case. 00:26:08.754 --> 00:26:13.370 They actually undermined the narrative that Kerkhoff was putting out there by saying like 00:26:13.370 --> 00:26:16.020 I didn't believe anyone was planning violence that day 00:26:16.020 --> 00:26:20.190 And that ultimately led to the chief judge finding a Brady violation 00:26:20.190 --> 00:26:24.760 Brady V Maryland was a Supreme Court case from the 1960s that basically said that prosecutors 00:26:24.760 --> 00:26:30.760 have the obligation and the duty to turn over any evidence that could that even has the 00:26:30.760 --> 00:26:35.540 possibility of being exculpatory basically helping to demonstrate the innocence of the 00:26:35.540 --> 00:26:38.784 defendant to the defense and as a part of discovery 00:26:38.784 --> 00:26:43.960 And as a result of all of that he dismissed certain charges with prejudice against certain 00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:50.880 defendants barred the introduction of any Project Veritas videos and any evidence of 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:55.843 a conspiracy effectively wiped out the government's conspiracy case 00:26:55.843 --> 00:26:57.540 And from that moment forward the dominoes 00:26:57.540 --> 00:27:01.120 just started falling and there were no more prosecutions after that 00:27:02.183 --> 00:27:06.530 In a blow to the Trump administration's efforts to silence dissent the first trial 00:27:06.530 --> 00:27:12.130 of people arrested at inauguration day Disrupt J20 protests ended Thursday 00:27:12.130 --> 00:27:16.580 In December, six of those people were acquitted, and the government dropped charges against 00:27:16.580 --> 00:27:18.350 149 others. 00:27:18.350 --> 00:27:22.890 However fifty-nine protesters are still facing multiple felony charges 00:27:22.890 --> 00:27:28.840 The government in a statement said that it would now focus its efforts on a smaller core 00:27:28.840 --> 00:27:32.400 group that we believe is most responsible for the destucion 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:36.850 Prosecutors have dropped felony charges against several people, who faced possible decades 00:27:36.850 --> 00:27:38.570 long prison terms, 00:27:38.570 --> 00:27:43.780 Dozens of protesters arrested at president Trump's inauguration are now off the hook 00:27:43.780 --> 00:27:46.310 and some of them could get paid. 00:27:46.310 --> 00:27:47.103 What? 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:57.390 On July 6th, 2018, the state quietly dropped its charges against the final 39 J20 defendants, 00:27:57.390 --> 00:28:00.520 bringing the drawn out legal saga to a stunning conclusion. 00:28:00.520 --> 00:28:07.000 In the final tally, out of the 226 individuals eventually prosecuted for their participation 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:13.900 in J20 protests, 205 cases were dismissed, with 21 individuals taking plea deals – most 00:28:13.900 --> 00:28:17.260 under youth statues that saw the bulk of their charges dropped. 00:28:17.260 --> 00:28:20.640 The state wasn’t able to secure a single jury conviction. 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:25.770 Throughout the course of these proceedings, J20 defendants received an outpouring of solidarity, 00:28:25.770 --> 00:28:31.200 with comrades around the world taking part in coordinated days of actions, dropping banners, 00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:35.410 throwing up graffiti and dedicating militant direct actions to their cause. 00:28:35.410 --> 00:28:39.320 These comrades knew that the stakes of this case were high... which only made the victory 00:28:39.320 --> 00:28:41.198 so much sweeter. 00:28:41.198 --> 00:28:45.910 And to top things off, class action lawsuits have been filed against the Metro PD, which 00:28:45.910 --> 00:28:50.520 will almost certainly translate into a nice little payday for co-defendants, thanks to 00:28:50.520 --> 00:28:53.670 the cops’ inability to follow their own rules. 00:28:53.670 --> 00:28:57.760 Additional proceedings have also begun against Kerkhoff herself, stemming from her botched 00:28:57.760 --> 00:29:04.513 attempts to secure decades-long prison sentences through a desperate campaign of lies and misinformation. 00:29:11.600 --> 00:29:17.760 I think one of the most important things we can do is to create a culture, a normative 00:29:17.760 --> 00:29:22.640 culture in which we do not cooperate with police, we do not answer questions, we do 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:27.690 not appear in federal grand juries, we do not accept to plea bargains that incriminate 00:29:27.690 --> 00:29:31.280 others, we do not consent to searches. 00:29:31.280 --> 00:29:36.754 And creating these as practices which are just the norm, allows us to act collectively 00:29:36.754 --> 00:29:38.730 in a way that protects the most vulnerable. 00:29:38.730 --> 00:29:45.140 It would have been good for the unpermitted march to have broadened the core of people 00:29:45.140 --> 00:29:47.230 who were part of the organic planning of it. 00:29:47.230 --> 00:29:52.170 So there could have been a more disciplined approach to how to respond as the police aggression 00:29:52.170 --> 00:29:53.240 intensified. 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:57.760 There was a core of people who had been involved and tons more people who hadn't been involved 00:29:57.760 --> 00:30:02.990 who just heard show up with a mask and there wasn't a process of like engaging folks around 00:30:02.990 --> 00:30:06.900 like how to approach that all as strategically as possible. 00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:12.400 we may have missed a little bit of an opportunity to understand the bigger context of like, 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:15.520 what we were going into and what these things look like. 00:30:15.520 --> 00:30:22.280 Like when else in history did a dictator start doing certain things with the news media? 00:30:22.280 --> 00:30:28.760 What other times in history and how did the criminalization of dissent look like? 00:30:28.760 --> 00:30:34.450 Like what is it, first of all, do we all understand what repression is, what it's used for and 00:30:34.450 --> 00:30:37.490 how it's used and who uses it and who benefits from it? 00:30:37.490 --> 00:30:41.550 It's incredibly important for us to do political education, I think we've gotta understand 00:30:41.550 --> 00:30:46.290 the things that we're saying and understand the things that we're seeing in a way that 00:30:46.290 --> 00:30:51.030 we can talk about, we can talk about like in everyday language 00:30:51.030 --> 00:30:55.290 I think that it's important for folks to understand more and for folks to read more about how 00:30:55.290 --> 00:30:58.560 the state uses conspiracy laws. 00:30:58.560 --> 00:31:02.090 And hopefully in the coming months people who are involved in this case and other conspiracy 00:31:02.090 --> 00:31:08.830 cases over the past couple years will keep writing about this and will keep helping us 00:31:08.830 --> 00:31:10.913 collectively to understand as a movement 00:31:10.913 --> 00:31:14.570 against capitalism against white supremacy against nationalism 00:31:23.986 --> 00:31:27.823 So a couple months after we were all arrested, I was at home 00:31:27.823 --> 00:31:31.201 and I get a frantic call from my co-worker. 00:31:31.201 --> 00:31:35.581 So I go on Facebook and I see that my personal facebook has been attacked, 00:31:35.581 --> 00:31:38.834 my address has been given out, they obviously know where I work… 00:31:38.834 --> 00:31:42.546 And it was clear that I was doxxed by the far right. 00:31:42.546 --> 00:31:50.380 A list of everyone arrested during the J20 was released and I believe and what most people 00:31:50.380 --> 00:31:53.980 believe is that the cops actually provided this list to the far right. 00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:59.400 We fought the Feds subpoenaing our facebook, then they wound up actually getting access 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:03.820 to all of our data with names redacted except for our own names. 00:32:03.820 --> 00:32:07.340 That, so far has not gone anywhere… 00:32:07.340 --> 00:32:11.033 And that's why you practice good security culture! 00:32:11.033 --> 00:32:14.850 During the J20 prosecution, there was a lot of discussion about you know points of unity 00:32:14.850 --> 00:32:21.800 and people agreeing to certain points of unity and in a sense I'd like us as a movement to 00:32:21.800 --> 00:32:27.320 move beyond that where when people are arrested, when people are in custody, they presume that 00:32:27.320 --> 00:32:30.380 already there's going to be mass defense, there's going to be collective defense there's 00:32:30.380 --> 00:32:34.580 going to be non cooperation with with plea agreements there's going to be non-cooperation 00:32:34.580 --> 00:32:36.870 with federal grand juries 00:32:36.870 --> 00:32:43.780 If you have deep rooted trust you can navigate political and tactical and strategic disagreements 00:32:43.780 --> 00:32:49.630 without like never speaking to people again who you used to work with really closely. 00:32:49.630 --> 00:32:55.070 The major victory apart from you know, two hundred plus people having their lives back, 00:32:55.070 --> 00:33:00.460 is hopefully that there was a little bit of a road block put in place to what I saw as 00:33:00.460 --> 00:33:07.340 a really massive erosion to the ability to go out and be an opposing voice 00:33:07.340 --> 00:33:11.970 In terms of social precedent in terms of you know the ways that people treat this case 00:33:11.970 --> 00:33:17.670 in and might react to similar things in the future, having this as one of the examples 00:33:17.670 --> 00:33:24.210 to sort of draw on I think that was really important and a big win for the left and for 00:33:24.210 --> 00:33:26.520 for the grassroots. 00:33:26.520 --> 00:33:30.840 I think this is a true test case and I think it's it's very clear that we rose above that 00:33:30.840 --> 00:33:35.080 and that people were able to act collectively in a time when the state was doing all it 00:33:35.080 --> 00:33:40.190 could to split us apart and pit you know, so called "good protester" against "bad protester" 00:33:40.190 --> 00:33:45.750 against those of us who are quote "just there" to those of us who are quote "breaking things". 00:33:45.750 --> 00:33:50.440 And so I think that that really is an example of solidarity and action and a real true strength 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:52.468 of our collective abilities 00:33:55.971 --> 00:34:00.060 J20 may have been the first mass prosecution of political dissidents in the Trump era, 00:34:00.060 --> 00:34:05.280 but it hasn’t been the last... and you can bet that there’s more to come. 00:34:05.280 --> 00:34:09.969 Since taking office, Trump has presided over a sharp escalation in state repression, a 00:34:09.969 --> 00:34:16.409 trend that has coincided with a surge in paramilitary white nationalist and fascist violence. 00:34:16.409 --> 00:34:21.690 So far, migrants, refugees and muslims have borne the worst of this reactionary wave.. 00:34:21.690 --> 00:34:24.219 but they are not the only groups in the crosshairs. 00:34:24.219 --> 00:34:28.510 As women and trans folks brace themselves for expected roll-backs of gender identity 00:34:28.510 --> 00:34:34.280 and reproductive rights emanating from the Supreme Court, new federal and state legislation 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:39.420 has already been introduced to criminalize numerous different forms of political protest, 00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:45.020 with laws specifically targeting land defenders and anti-fascist protesters for enhanced sentencing. 00:34:45.020 --> 00:34:51.159 Meanwhile, the FBI has adapted its COINTELPRO playbook for crushing Black Liberation struggles, 00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:55.820 this time under the 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