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Dialogue: 0,0:00:07.71,0:00:10.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,<Not Commiting to One Church>
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.27,0:00:16.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Questioner) Hello Sumin, \NI watch your video.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:16.47,0:00:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can guess how busy you are every day.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:21.12,0:00:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have been going to church for \Nover two years after moving to a new area.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.36,0:00:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went with a friend. But this spring, \Nthere was a conflict in the church
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.99,0:00:40.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the church split into two sides.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.85,0:00:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And half of the people left and \Nthey opened a new church.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.08,0:00:57.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One or two of the members close to me \Nkept on telling me to come visit their church.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.69,0:01:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They asked me to come just once but \NI know that that one time is just the beginning.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.04,0:01:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The attended that church.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.59,0:01:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do not belong to any church and
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.21,0:01:18.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now I am satisfied with Happy School and teachings
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.73,0:01:23.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am learning well.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.25,0:01:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If people telling me to come to church I feel it bothers me,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.21,0:01:37.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,please tell me how can I manage my mind calm.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.87,0:01:41.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The more I learn about Buddha's teachings,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:41.80,0:01:48.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more I reflect on myself and become humble.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.41,0:01:54.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I love it. \NI don't want to go to church.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.88,0:02:04.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sunim) It's your choice.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.31,0:02:11.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's okay for you not to go to church.\NThere's absolutely no problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.84,0:02:21.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or you can just choose one of the two churches and go there occasionally,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.03,0:02:26.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or you can go to both churches.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.92,0:02:32.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't have to tie down to one church,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.94,0:02:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor do you have to deny both churches.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.93,0:02:41.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just be free.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.88,0:02:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The more you study Buddhism,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.11,0:02:56.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you also have to open your minds up to other religions like Christianity.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.63,0:03:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same thing with Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.88,0:03:06.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not saying that you have to like,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.34,0:03:12.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because each religion and \Ntradition has its own unique nature.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.87,0:03:23.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it's up to you because you're free to choose,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.11,0:03:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not because you don't like the other traditions,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:25.58,0:03:30.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you're free to choose whatever draws you.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.88,0:03:42.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically this is not a problem of your friends
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.29,0:03:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or your former church goers telling you \Nor asking you to come visit their church.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.80,0:03:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the problem that you don't want to hear them, that invitation.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.48,0:04:05.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same thing when you get invited to a party, \Nyou want to go, you don't want to go.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:05.41,0:04:12.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your family member asks you to do something you don't want to do,\Nyou just don't want, sometimes.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.38,0:04:25.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You resist, you're hesitant because you're always calculating,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.74,0:04:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what if I say no, I might lose that relationship, or something.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.22,0:04:33.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It might cause a loss to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.21,0:04:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But after all, they have the freedom to invite you to their church,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.52,0:04:47.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you have the freedom to not go.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.53,0:04:56.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So just as your freedom is precious to you, \Ntheir freedom is precious to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.29,0:05:02.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Questioner) I understand what you're saying.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.45,0:05:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't say 'don't tell me come to your church'\Nbut I just say, refuse nicely.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.53,0:05:14.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay maybe next time, not this moment
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.68,0:05:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't feel like to go right now, maybe future,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.12,0:05:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think about it. \NI all the time say that.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.56,0:05:30.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I went to church since I immigrate to USA on and off over 25 years.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.49,0:05:35.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I attend one time they right away welcome me,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.22,0:05:41.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are kind extremely \Nand then they are looking for
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.43,0:05:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what would you like to do \Nand then oh, let's study Bible study
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.68,0:05:51.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why don't you join this volunteer \NWhy don't you join like a chorus?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.56,0:05:57.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they asked me more and more and then \Nsee you next Sunday
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.83,0:06:03.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then they asked more and if I just go one time and stop
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.98,0:06:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to me, it's foolish because I know I'm not going to go.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.59,0:06:18.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I just don't want to start go to church.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.05,0:06:25.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the reason the split is too sided is very complicated.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:25.63,0:06:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are 45 years of one church member but one issue they make split.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.04,0:06:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm just tired of what they're doing
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.40,0:06:43.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yesterday they were like an old church member, we're family and brother and sister
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.95,0:06:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then after conflict it's become an enemy
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.40,0:06:54.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want to envolve that both church. I don't want to go to church.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.67,0:07:02.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since I learned the Buddha's teaching, \NI'm very joyful and find a more peaceful mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.13,0:07:10.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even I attended the church over 20 years, I never had that feeling.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.34,0:07:12.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I don't want to go there.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.46,0:07:16.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to just keep continue learning Buddha's teaching.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.42,0:07:21.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that's more fit to me my personality, character and quiet peaceful
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.35,0:07:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I just want to stick with this side.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.04,0:07:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sunim) It's a good thing that studying Buddha's teachings brought you peace in your mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.78,0:07:51.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you have not really truly studied deeply yet
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.09,0:07:56.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you still feel tension from watching the conflict within the Church.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.45,0:08:04.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Conflicts and divisions is a natural phenomenon.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.93,0:08:20.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now you see two different kind of sects emerging from the same Judaea Christian tradition.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.30,0:08:28.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And from within the Christianity itself
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.39,0:08:33.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see the schism between the Catholicism and Protestanism.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.68,0:08:44.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And within the same Protestantism,\Nyou get Presbyterians, you get Baptists,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.03,0:08:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Episcopalians, you get all different sects.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.80,0:09:04.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You feel discomfort because \Nyou were there at the church when it was one,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.39,0:09:06.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it split into two
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.64,0:09:08.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but somebody else who joined the church after it split
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.50,0:09:13.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will not share the same discomfort.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.58,0:09:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a lot of divorced couples who are raising kids
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.92,0:09:26.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who get divorced even after having kids and raising kids by themselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.24,0:09:30.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we see separations and divisions, conflicts everywhere.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.38,0:09:33.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So why is that a special problem?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.50,0:09:43.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's almost as if you're acting like little kids
Dialogue: 0,0:09:43.69,0:09:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are seeing their parents divorce and opposing and being resentful
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.00,0:09:49.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the parents are divorcing
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.47,0:09:54.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,although parents themselves might have a good reason to separate.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.11,0:10:03.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The same thing with North and South Korea.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.57,0:10:09.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Regular ordinary people actually have no reason to suffer the separations
Dialogue: 0,0:10:09.43,0:10:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the separation does serve a purpose for the ruling elite.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.56,0:10:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you actually ask the leadership of your church
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.01,0:10:26.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether you want to ask the deacons or actually ask the minister,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.92,0:10:33.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they will have reasons to separate.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.23,0:10:42.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you feel discomfort over the split of the church
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.09,0:10:49.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you're not a deacon or a minister \Nnot because you have this peace in your heart.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.05,0:11:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So basically there's no problem here.\NWhether that church splits or not is their work,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.61,0:11:04.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's their scope, their decision ,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.89,0:11:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether you go to that split church or not is your decision.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.83,0:11:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have thousands of Korean American churches in the US today
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.21,0:11:23.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all these churches are probably split from each other.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.12,0:11:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and even that church that you went to, probably resulted from
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.88,0:11:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,somebody else actually splitting off from another church.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.07,0:11:43.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So basically there's absolutely no problem here.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.93,0:11:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just stick to your own studies.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.51,0:11:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let their problems be their problems.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.17,0:12:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Questioner) One big thing that bothers me,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.02,0:12:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the reason split is previously,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.50,0:12:14.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my church was belonged to United Methodist in New England area,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.39,0:12:22.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the regulation and policy is the pastor is sent by union,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.67,0:12:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the pastor is a gay pastor.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.59,0:12:35.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's why we split. Half member, we don't want to accept the pastor.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.97,0:12:42.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other half is okay, \Nbut to me God loves everybody.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.18,0:12:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The gay pastor and straight pastor is all the God's children.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.48,0:12:52.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But in the church members those split,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:52.81,0:13:00.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's comedy to me. \NIt's very difficult to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.95,0:13:07.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,(Sunim) There are plenty of reasons.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.73,0:13:35.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People make huge things out of the littlest thing, in Korean history, actually
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.95,0:13:39.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the whole kingdom almost collapsed because of political dissonance
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.71,0:13:44.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,having to do with the split on how long you should be in mourning,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.06,0:13:51.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how long you should be wearing your shroud to mourn a loved one.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.14,0:13:54.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether it's three months, 6 months or 9 months.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.30,0:13:57.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was a huge political scandal almost brought down the kingdom.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.63,0:14:02.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So discussion or splits or differences of opinion
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.51,0:14:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over a pastor being gay or not that \Nmerits a discussion, or a potential disagreement.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.78,0:14:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this issue actually not just roiling one small church.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.34,0:14:30.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is actually splitting huge denominations,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.18,0:14:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as, it's still an issue in American politics today.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.80,0:14:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I'm not saying that division or schism is a good thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.91,0:14:50.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Same thing like parents have a reason to divorce from each other,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.33,0:14:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but from a child's perspective, \Nthey don't understand why.