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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.44,0:00:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Meezan - The political Shari'ah:\N[Appendix 16/18]
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.90,0:00:17.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Question and Answer Session,\NJaved Ahmed Ghamidi
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.14,0:00:26.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan Ilyas] Bismillahir\NRahmanir Rahim
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.17,0:00:30.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are studying Meezan,\NJanab Javed Sahab,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:30.76,0:00:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way you have understood \NDeen and stated it in this book,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.20,0:00:36.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the various \Nchapters of this book,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.57,0:00:41.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you expressed the opinions you \Nhave about the religion of Islam.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.29,0:00:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have gone through \Nthe Law related to Politics,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.80,0:00:46.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that has ended,\Nwhere you have stated that
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.79,0:00:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the individual has \Nbeen given freedom of will and choice.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.50,0:00:54.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this freedom and choice \Ncompels him to be a part of a society.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:54.85,0:00:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While being a part of a society,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.74,0:00:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so that its wrong use may \Nnot lead him to a wrongful place,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.79,0:01:02.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this Deen has provided\Nhim with some directives.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.79,0:01:07.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Individuals form a society, \Nwhich in turn gives birth to a State.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.20,0:01:10.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are the responsibilities, \Nobligations and the rights,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.15,0:01:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how this system comes into\Nexistence, you explained all this
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.20,0:01:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a detailed discussion and \Nelaborated upon your viewpoint.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.11,0:01:19.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are some questions\Nthat I wish to put to you,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:19.65,0:01:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that it gets\Nclarified further.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.52,0:01:25.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first question is that the\NGuidance which the Quran provides to us,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.77,0:01:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is the same Guidance that \NAllah (swt) had been giving
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.80,0:01:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right from the start of the world,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.56,0:01:32.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throughout the periods\Nof different Prophets,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.81,0:01:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and till today.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.82,0:01:36.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the Guidance that the Quran\Ngives regarding politics,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.45,0:01:39.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so were those found in \Nthe earlier revealed scriptures as well?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.90,0:01:43.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Javed Ahmed Ghamidi] The history \Nof the revealed religions that we have,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.85,0:01:46.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we study it, \Nwe come to know that
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.30,0:01:49.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one pertains to the fundamental points,\Nfor example Tawheed,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:49.95,0:01:51.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the concept of\NMessengerhood,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.97,0:01:55.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the belief in afterlife, these \Nare the fundamental points.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.18,0:01:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These have remained\Nthe same forever.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.76,0:02:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All the Prophets have\Npresented these teachings.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.46,0:02:04.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, the directives of the Shari'ah\Nare given as per change in civilization.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.49,0:02:06.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is different in\Ncase of tribal culture,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.57,0:02:08.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will be different\Nfor a feudal setup.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.62,0:02:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the beginning of humanity \Noccurred in this world,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.24,0:02:13.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was with a single \NAdam and Eve,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.37,0:02:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they had their children,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.12,0:02:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the directives would \Nbe given accordingly.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:17.50,0:02:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have explained this point several \Ntimes that these directives
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.70,0:02:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are as per our \Ncircumstances even now.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.70,0:02:26.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. when I am an individual,\Nthen only those directives of Deen
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.87,0:02:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would apply to me which \Nare given in individual capacity.\N
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.80,0:02:32.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I assume the position \Nof the head of a family,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.24,0:02:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the directives for the head\Nwould get related to me too.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.07,0:02:38.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Similarly, if a society wasn't \Nable to turn into a State,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.54,0:02:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the directives for \Nthe State would not figure in.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.53,0:02:44.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran has been\Nrevealed in an age,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.71,0:02:48.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where human beings were\Ngiving shape to their civilizations,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.24,0:02:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the era of empires.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.59,0:02:54.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the Quran was revealed \Nand the Prophet (pbuh) was appointed,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.29,0:02:57.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Roman and the \NSassanid Empires were existing.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.76,0:03:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,During this era of empires, \Nmany of the things
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.84,0:03:03.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,assumed the form\Nof an organization.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.05,0:03:04.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When we were \Ngiven the Shariah,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.62,0:03:07.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obviously, the conditions\Nprevailing were considered as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.53,0:03:10.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The points stated in \Nthe Quran relating to politics,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.62,0:03:14.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some are of the type which had \Nbeen there since ages,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.03,0:03:16.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example, if you\Nget the Government,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.07,0:03:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you will have to be\Njust under all circumstances,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.64,0:03:21.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this point is stated by the Quran \Nin reference to Hazrat Dawood.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.71,0:03:24.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. When We gave David the \Nauthority over the land,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.97,0:03:29.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We gave him this command\Nto be just with the people.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.26,0:03:31.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So some of the things\Nare of this nature,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.19,0:03:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and those would\Nhave been there forever.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.04,0:03:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, there can be a few things \Nwhich due to the change in civilization,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.93,0:03:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would have come into \Nthe discussion just at that time.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.62,0:03:42.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence, Allah (swt) has\NHimself stated that
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.42,0:03:44.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shariah changes according\Nto the circumstances.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.69,0:03:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Ghamidi Sahab, with\Nregard to political laws,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.10,0:03:49.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you also told us that in \Nthe Islamic religion
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.34,0:03:52.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are some directives \Nrelated to the State.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.10,0:03:54.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the State would exist, \Nthose would be implemented,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.72,0:03:56.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the State would require\Nits implementation.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.91,0:04:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So were these directives \Ngiven in the capacity
Dialogue: 0,0:04:00.13,0:04:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a State or in \Nthe capacity of an individual
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.12,0:04:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who form a part \Nof the State?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.68,0:04:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. does the religion\Nof Islam give the directives
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.23,0:04:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to society or to the individual?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:08.69,0:04:09.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When an individual\Nreaches that office,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.99,0:04:12.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then those directives start\Napplying, what do you say?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.58,0:04:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] The addressee of Deen\Nin essence, is the individual.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.64,0:04:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. if am a Muslim \Nor if I adopt disbelief,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.46,0:04:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have been said,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.92,0:04:23.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Man Sha a Fal Yuu'min\NMan Sha a Fal Yakfur"
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.53,0:04:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have different capacities,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.24,0:04:26.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have said earlier that
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.75,0:04:30.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sitting in a forest I may\Nhave the status of an individual,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:30.44,0:04:35.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when I decide to marry a woman, \Nthen the basis of a family is laid down.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.48,0:04:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I marry a woman, \Nthe foundation of a family is laid,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.30,0:04:42.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the progeny is born, \Nthe parental relations develop.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.95,0:04:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The directives of Deen relate \Nto my different capacities.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.46,0:04:52.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the same way, the Muslims\Nexisting in large numbers
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.01,0:04:57.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forming a big group, so directives\Nrelated to social life
Dialogue: 0,0:04:57.59,0:04:59.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will be applicable to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.71,0:05:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When they form a regular \Nand organized society,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.99,0:05:05.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and lay the \Nbasis of a State,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.04,0:05:07.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then directives \Nrelated to it figure in.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.93,0:05:11.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It does not address \Nthe State, or the society,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.29,0:05:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it addresses the Muslims\Nin their different capacities.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.26,0:05:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. he is in the role of \Nan individual
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.24,0:05:20.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in the role of \Nthe head of the family,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.80,0:05:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or he occupies a spot in \Nthe market and does business,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.42,0:05:29.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or he has assumed the role\Nof an authority of a political system.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.88,0:05:31.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Ghamidi Sahab, \Nyour statement that
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.75,0:05:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Deen addresses in \Nthe capacity of an individual,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.76,0:05:40.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a collection of individuals following\NIslam wrote a constitution,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.82,0:05:43.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and expressed the point\Nin that constitution that
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.99,0:05:49.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we in our individual capacities, \Naccept the Guidance of that Allah,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.01,0:05:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hence, for us, in our \Ncollective politics,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.03,0:05:58.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our State or in our law, \Nthe Sovereignty will belong to God.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.41,0:06:01.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The concept of Sovereignty, \Nthat which you have mentioned,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.96,0:06:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and decided that Sovereignty\Nwill belong to God.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.40,0:06:08.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He has the highest authority, and \NHe is running the show,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.41,0:06:10.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and He has bestowed\Nthis to us in this world,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.55,0:06:12.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as long as it\Nremains with us,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:12.30,0:06:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we shall make use of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.44,0:06:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then this debate turns \Ninto a natural debate.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.64,0:06:18.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] Why has the need\Narisen to write it down?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.15,0:06:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. if there is\Na Muslim Society
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.20,0:06:23.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the people in the Muslim\Nsociety have awareness of Islam,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:23.97,0:06:26.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they are seated\Nin the Parliament,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.04,0:06:27.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they have \Nto legislate some law,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.77,0:06:30.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some principle, so\Nmy question is that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.27,0:06:33.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether they accept \Nthe Sovereignty of God over themselves?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.67,0:06:38.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they accept then it will \Nappear in their legislation process too.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.03,0:06:41.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if they do not accept \Nit, then how will it appear?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.79,0:06:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. what is its need?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.44,0:06:46.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is something which\NI am saying
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.27,0:06:48.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or some people are saying
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.45,0:06:51.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and making our future \Ngenerations bound to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.37,0:06:54.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who has given \Nthis right to them?
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.22,0:07:00.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Though their work is to ascertain \Nthe principles they would follow today?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.13,0:07:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the future to come, people \Nwould ascertain as per their wish.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.38,0:07:08.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,According to me, it is against the\Ndemocratic principle
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.13,0:07:10.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we fix the \Nnature of any State.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.43,0:07:14.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The democracy demands\Nand this is what Islam wants,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.05,0:07:17.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this freedom \Nof the people is maintained.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.38,0:07:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they make a certain decision today,\Nthey may as well change that in future.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.10,0:07:23.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] So there isn't the need \Nto include this clause
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.82,0:07:26.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the constitution that \Nthe Parliament cannot
Dialogue: 0,0:07:26.78,0:07:29.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make any legislation against \Nthe Quran and the Sunnah.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.50,0:07:31.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] I consider all\Nthese as irrelevant,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.70,0:07:34.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think that none\Nof these things were required.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:34.95,0:07:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What we should have done, \Ni.e. when Pakistan had been created,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.28,0:07:39.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should have decided
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.75,0:07:42.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether a family would \Nwould rule it?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.10,0:07:44.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or an individual \Nor group would rule it?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.80,0:07:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or the people\Nwould rule it?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.30,0:07:50.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when we decide that\Nthe people would rule it,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.60,0:07:53.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this implies that this system\Nwould be run in a democratic manner.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.72,0:07:55.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what Islam demands too.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.34,0:07:57.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when it is ascertained \Nthat the system would be run
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.95,0:07:59.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a democratic manner,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.10,0:08:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so legislations are to be \Ndone in the Parliament.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.46,0:08:04.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Who are the people who are\Npresent in the Parliament
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.94,0:08:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the time of the\Nlegislation being enacted?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.16,0:08:10.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is their religious awareness? \NHow much do they understand God?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.92,0:08:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the level of their knowledge,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.64,0:08:16.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what is their \Nunderstanding of the Quran?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.21,0:08:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or what is their stand\Nabout such things?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.90,0:08:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This could be fixed, scholars \Nare present even today,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:22.72,0:08:24.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the scholars would\Nbe present in the future too.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.99,0:08:28.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They would carry on with the work \Nof guidance and advice as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.15,0:08:30.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All these things would \Nbe taken into consideration
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.79,0:08:33.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by people who would \Nmake legislation,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.01,0:08:34.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have been doing it.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:34.16,0:08:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for this, I think there isn't any \Nneed to put a precondition,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.71,0:08:39.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in spite of this pre-condition,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:39.76,0:08:43.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you look, it still remains confined\Nto the pages of the Constitution.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.52,0:08:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What, in essence, was the point?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.31,0:08:48.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In essence, if you see, \Nthe people who have religious awareness,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.67,0:08:51.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they should have \Ncontinuously presented
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.26,0:08:54.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such Bills in the Parliament,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.58,0:08:57.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where all the laws should\Nhave been discussed,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.91,0:09:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which in some way\Nor the other,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:00.02,0:09:02.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had an influence of Islam\Nor the Islamic Shari'ah.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.84,0:09:04.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This work should \Nhave been done.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.76,0:09:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What use was of\Nwriting it or to what end?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.82,0:09:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think this has just \Nresulted in
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.94,0:09:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an endless debate that continues\Non what Pakistan is
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.80,0:09:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or what it should be?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.69,0:09:18.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pakistan should have \Nbeen a democratic State,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:18.39,0:09:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its founder had\Nwished the same.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.92,0:09:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Muslims form the majority\Nin this democratic State,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.60,0:09:24.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they have a huge population,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.19,0:09:29.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the awareness Muslims have,\Nwould reflect in their decisions,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.26,0:09:31.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exactly in the way, the awareness \Nthat I have of Islam,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:31.95,0:09:34.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same reflects \Nin my personal life.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.49,0:09:38.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the matter with any nation \Nor with the leaders of any nation.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.42,0:09:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Ghamidi Sahab, the points \Nthat you have explained
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.64,0:09:44.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under the head \Nof responsibilities were
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.62,0:09:47.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the real objective of\Nthe social system
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.22,0:09:49.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be that\Nit establishes justice,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.38,0:09:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there is equitable distribution \Nof resources among people.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.50,0:09:57.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Based upon it, the demands it may\Nmake to its citizens is that of Zakah,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.08,0:09:59.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if the citizens living\Nthere as Muslims
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.95,0:10:03.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will have offer Salah necessarily.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.39,0:10:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The State does not \Nestablishes Justice,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.38,0:10:08.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what right then the State has to \Ndemand Zakah from the people?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.75,0:10:12.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] The point is who all \Nconstitute the State?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:12.55,0:10:14.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are the leaders or authorities.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:14.15,0:10:17.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they are not just, \Nand do not establish justice,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:17.59,0:10:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people have the right\Nto criticize them
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.88,0:10:23.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in a democratic State, they \Nhave the right to vote for a change.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.21,0:10:26.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, in the pretext of one,\Nthe other cannot be suspended.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.58,0:10:30.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. for example, if bribe \Nis being given at one point,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.37,0:10:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then would the remaining law\Nand order would stop working.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.86,0:10:38.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. when the police is adopting \Nthe right attitude, it will be followed.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.75,0:10:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where the mistake is being \Ndone, that would be rectified.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.92,0:10:44.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could never\Nunderstand the logic of seeing
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.51,0:10:48.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the directives of the\NState in a single perspective.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.06,0:10:52.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the authorities among \NMuslims will establish a system,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:52.41,0:10:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every directive will be seen\Nin the individual perspective.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.08,0:11:00.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the State has committed\Nsome wrong, we will refute it,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.23,0:11:02.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we will condemn it, \Ndraw attention to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.75,0:11:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We shall criticize it, will mold\Npublic opinion against it,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.90,0:11:08.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people would be warned,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.48,0:11:11.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if the State does some \Ngood work we shall praise it,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.89,0:11:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this should be the way.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.50,0:11:15.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the State is not\Nable to deliver justice
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.52,0:11:17.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it will be told \Nto deliver justice.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.61,0:11:21.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if it demands Zakah, it is\Njustified, the Zakah would be paid.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:21.73,0:11:25.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it misuses Zakah, then \Nthat too would be criticized.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.46,0:11:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can we develop anarchy\Nwith regard to our State?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.34,0:11:31.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do we do the same \Nin the remaining matters?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.93,0:11:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. does it happen that \Nwhen we go out in the street,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:34.68,0:11:37.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we say since the \NState is not establishing justice,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.19,0:11:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,therefore I have the right \Nto switch over to the Right Hand Drive.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.34,0:11:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That I won't be stopping \Nat the red signal.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:42.44,0:11:45.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I won't follow the \NTraffic Constable's Instructions.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.19,0:11:46.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do we ever do this?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.31,0:11:49.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From now onwards I won't be\Nkeeping the Passport in my pocket.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.32,0:11:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or I would travel without\Nobtaining a Visa.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.72,0:11:54.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You follow the rules \Nwhich you hold right,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.83,0:11:58.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and accept them\Nas the right of the State.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.32,0:12:02.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the thing that when an \NAuthoritarian Rule was established,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.26,0:12:05.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our 'Fuqaha' (Experts of Jurisprudence)\Nhave stated it in this way,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.77,0:12:07.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,though they are \NAutocratic Rulers,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.51,0:12:09.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there can be a dozen objections\Nmade in their Rule,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.91,0:12:12.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even though their \NGovernment is illegitimate,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:12.07,0:12:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,however, their directives,\Ni.e. when they make a decision,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.64,0:12:19.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that will be implemented.\NIf they call us for Hajj,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:19.47,0:12:23.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we shall comply with them.\NIf they call for Jihad,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.35,0:12:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if we do not \Nhave any objection to it,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.42,0:12:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then the Jihad would be done.\NWhy this was done?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.00,0:12:30.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reason is that Anarchy \Ncannot be allowed to persist.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.84,0:12:33.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we did this with regard\Nto Autocratic Rulers.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.59,0:12:35.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we have \Ndemocratic Governments,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:35.70,0:12:38.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if some government \Nis unable to establish justice,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.53,0:12:41.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then after 5 years, it has to be\Nanswerable to the people,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:41.39,0:12:44.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if the people would feel that \Nit had erred in such and such matter,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.01,0:12:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you go to the people, \Ncultivate their minds,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.60,0:12:48.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they would bring \Nin a new Government.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.38,0:12:51.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Ghamidi Sahab, this point \Ngives rise to another two questions,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.84,0:12:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first question is \Nas you have said that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:54.16,0:12:56.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the State can demand\Njust two things,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.18,0:13:00.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To pay Zakah to the State, a state from \Nwhich a Muslim demands his rights,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.44,0:13:04.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this can be demonstrated to the\NState by his offering of the Salah.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.22,0:13:06.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the extent of\Nthe state legislation?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.32,0:13:08.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. once the \NParliament is formed,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.45,0:13:11.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it will make laws \Nwith regard to the people,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.91,0:13:15.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so what is its limit in the \Nsphere of forming legislations?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.70,0:13:17.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. the things that\Nare permissible in Deen
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.96,0:13:20.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or things that have been\Nleft at the discretion of the people,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.86,0:13:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does the State possess this right, \Nand if it has, what is the basis of it?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.50,0:13:27.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is the reasoning behind it, \Nas it was said earlier that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.42,0:13:28.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only two demands can be made.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.83,0:13:31.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now, constraints are\Nput on permissible things too.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.39,0:13:32.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A restriction can be made,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.75,0:13:34.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something which is \Npermissible for the people,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:34.41,0:13:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can they be stopped\Nfrom it by the State?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:36.36,0:13:38.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] These are \Npositive demands.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.46,0:13:41.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. for example, a question\Nis whether my authorities can
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.89,0:13:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,direct me to have \Na glass of 'Rooh Afza' drink daily?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.84,0:13:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a positive demand.\NThis cannot be done.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.18,0:13:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For this, some reasoning is required.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.42,0:13:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. we have to arrange \Nthe Salah,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.46,0:13:55.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to pay Zakah.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.65,0:13:57.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My wealth is being\Ndemanded from me,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.71,0:14:01.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this, a reason is required. \NTo stop from 'Munkaraat',
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.12,0:14:05.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by 'Munkaraat' we mean\Nthe things which go beyond the sins
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.52,0:14:07.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and assume \Nthe form of a crime.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.67,0:14:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the right of the State.\NThis is its limit.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.05,0:14:15.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Religion has also fixed this \Nand it is agreed over in the world too.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.02,0:14:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Humanity has accepted\Nthe point at the global level
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.90,0:14:21.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the State would protect \Nan individual
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.90,0:14:24.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the harms to others' life,\Nproperty and honor.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.47,0:14:27.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The State would prevent\Nthe infringement of rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.45,0:14:30.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The State can interfere\Nin matters where,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.71,0:14:35.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to some act of mine,\NI become the cause of some loss.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.20,0:14:38.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am liable for any loss.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:38.74,0:14:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The legislation is done\Nto defend from harms.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.92,0:14:46.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No State can go beyond this.\NSo it must tell beforehand
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.32,0:14:50.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is the aim of \Nthis restriction being done?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.10,0:14:52.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see, there\Nare a lot many things,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.15,0:14:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which were totally permitted.\NThe smoking of tobacco,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.02,0:14:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not a prohibition \Nof the Shari'ah.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.48,0:15:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many of our esteemed elders \Nand men of piety
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.33,0:15:03.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had been regular \Nusers of Hookah.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.75,0:15:05.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They smoked tobacco.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.30,0:15:12.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Tobacco and its use\Nis quite injurious to health,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:12.29,0:15:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a different matter, and it has \Nmoral turpitude in it is another thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.22,0:15:20.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Since religion \Nencompasses morality,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.52,0:15:24.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so it cannot be said that\Nthe religion had banned it.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.23,0:15:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But now we declare it prohibited.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.60,0:15:30.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is its reason?\NThe reason is the injury it causes.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.83,0:15:33.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It harms others as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.82,0:15:37.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is the basis on which\Nlegislation is done in the parliament.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.51,0:15:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A legislation cannot be made on\Npositive grounds.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.64,0:15:43.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You cannot be directed to\Nwear a shirt of a particular type.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.46,0:15:45.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or your spectacles \Nshould be of this type.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.50,0:15:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or you would wear such a cap.\NThis cannot happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.92,0:15:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For all positive laws,\Nyou need to have a reason.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:53.08,0:15:56.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that directive can\Nonly be from God.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.15,0:15:59.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There needs to \Nbe a reason for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.10,0:16:01.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For negative things, \Nyou have the right.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.58,0:16:04.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the times of\Nthe Prophet (pbuh),
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.37,0:16:08.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the Left Hand Drive on the \Nroads prohibited the world over?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.22,0:16:09.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have imposed it.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.34,0:16:11.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. we have to have a right-hand\Ndrive
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.26,0:16:13.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the left-hand \Ndrive is forbidden.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.41,0:16:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In a similar situation, for example,\Na debate happened among us,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.68,0:16:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether we can\Nban polygamy?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.74,0:16:23.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. can we put the condition\Nthat wife's assent is a must.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.82,0:16:26.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or a Court's permission\Nis obligatory.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.18,0:16:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you have to tell the reason \Nwhy you are applying such a restriction?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.13,0:16:34.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there any harm done by it \Nthat is meant to be stopped?
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.86,0:16:37.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There may be many things\Nwhich are harmful
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.12,0:16:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for one society but \Nnot for the other.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.04,0:16:41.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It might be harmful in one\Nregion but not in the other.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.64,0:16:43.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence, I consider\Nthis restriction as just,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.47,0:16:45.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these restrictions are\Nimposed by human beings,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.27,0:16:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they would elaborate\Non the reason for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.58,0:16:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When experience will tell that\Nit is wrongly done,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.85,0:16:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it would be remedied.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.18,0:16:53.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When Shari'ah has put some \Nrestrictions then
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.35,0:16:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that cannot be overruled.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.96,0:16:58.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, earlier too,\Npolygamy had been in practice.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.05,0:17:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So our Shari'ah imposed \Ntwo restrictions on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.60,0:17:03.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One was, it was stated that if \Nyou cannot be just then
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.74,0:17:06.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you cannot have\Nmore than one wife.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:06.01,0:17:09.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The second is, if there \Nis an exceptional need,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.97,0:17:12.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like it was appealed \Nin the case of orphans,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.42,0:17:14.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then in such a case too, \Nnot more than four.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.82,0:17:16.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These two restrictions\Nwere made.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.58,0:17:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now you and I cannot infringe \Nupon these two restrictions till Qiyamah.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:20.70,0:17:23.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, can any other \Nrestriction be imposed as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.53,0:17:25.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It can surely be imposed.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:25.01,0:17:28.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you tell the reason for\Nthe imposition of such a restriction.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:28.79,0:17:31.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If there is a detriment \Nor some harm anticipated,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.62,0:17:34.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a debate would ensue, \Nyour point may be correct,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:34.26,0:17:35.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it might \Nbe wrong as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.66,0:17:39.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A similar debate also cropped up \Nwhen it was decided among us that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:39.62,0:17:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the age of marriage \Nshould be so and so.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:42.22,0:17:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It shouldn't \Nbe done before it.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.08,0:17:46.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here too, the harms\Nare discussed, mostly,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:46.80,0:17:50.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see, the Quran says,\N"Amrahum Shura Bainahum".
Dialogue: 0,0:17:50.34,0:17:53.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. the government would be \Nformed with the opinion of the people.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.61,0:17:55.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to \Ntake the opinion.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:55.41,0:17:57.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What age group \Nwould be entitled to vote?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:57.64,0:18:00.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have imposed the \Nrestriction of 21 or 18 years,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.29,0:18:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is the basis of it?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.12,0:18:04.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Has it been imposed by \NAllah or the Messenger of Allah?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.90,0:18:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The person has \Nturned into an adult.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:07.28,0:18:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One is physical maturity \Nand one is mental maturity.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.04,0:18:12.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, it was \Nstated about the orphans
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.86,0:18:15.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that when they become adults,\Nand they develop maturity,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:15.75,0:18:18.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then only hand over\Ntheir belongings to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.39,0:18:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If this can be done with regard\Nto handing over someone's possessions,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.54,0:18:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then why it cannot be done
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.08,0:18:25.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while considering the\Nmarriage of a boy or a girl?
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.44,0:18:27.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will advise it \Nfor general circumstances.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:27.65,0:18:29.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, if people \Nmake a mistake,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.89,0:18:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there are some\Nharmful effects of it,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.27,0:18:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. the point is that some other\Nhas to be saved from some harm,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:35.58,0:18:38.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or infringement of \Nsomeone's right is to be stopped.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:38.23,0:18:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the responsibility \Nof the social system.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.90,0:18:43.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They cannot make me bound \Nto some positive law.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.86,0:18:45.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Due to some deed of mine,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.43,0:18:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to decide upon\Nthe marriage of a boy,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.58,0:18:49.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is resulting in \Nsome harm to him.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.65,0:18:53.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now, or in the future or \Nfor his future generations,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:53.15,0:18:55.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to save from all this, the\Nlaws are being enacted.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.51,0:18:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To defend the harm, \Nto save from the loss,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:59.15,0:19:03.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to protect from oppression, \Nor to save from tyranny,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.10,0:19:05.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,legislation is to be done.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:05.33,0:19:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Right, Ghamidi Sahab,\Nduring the class you have said,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.72,0:19:12.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Al Jama'a" and "Sultan" \Nimplies the collective system,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.70,0:19:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Prophet (pbuh) had advised\Nto be attached with them
Dialogue: 0,0:19:16.99,0:19:22.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under all circumstances, \Nrather, he stated,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:22.59,0:19:24.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Maata meetatan Jahiliya"
Dialogue: 0,0:19:24.14,0:19:26.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Those who do not follow it, \Ndie the death of ignorance'.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.99,0:19:28.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You gave the example of it that
Dialogue: 0,0:19:28.57,0:19:30.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after all, these are \Ndemocratic Governments,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.73,0:19:33.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even in case of \NAuthoritarian Rule too,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.02,0:19:36.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our elders have\Ninstructed us to follow any such Ruler.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.06,0:19:39.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, we see, that \Nsome people do not accept this.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:39.49,0:19:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, in the \Nexample of Syedna Hussain,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.70,0:19:43.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the matter \Nof Abdullah Bin Zubair,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:43.87,0:19:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the support of Imam Abu Hanifa \Nof 'Nafs Zakiyah' in his Khuruuj.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:47.80,0:19:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So can these people be cited as \Nreferents
Dialogue: 0,0:19:51.10,0:19:54.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the punishment\Nstated in the Hadees?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.88,0:19:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] A rule has \Nbeen established,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:57.24,0:19:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has it been established \Nin a rightful manner?
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.77,0:20:02.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if a government has been\Nestablished in a legitimate manner
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.62,0:20:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then with regard to it,\Nthere cannot be a dispute.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.18,0:20:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, if it has gone against\Nthe law and imposed itself on us,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:10.87,0:20:14.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then there can be \Na struggle against it,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.10,0:20:17.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there would be rules \Nand manners for that struggle.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:17.05,0:20:20.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are authoritative\Nrules established in the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.02,0:20:22.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As far as their \Nexistence is concerned
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.75,0:20:24.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those are illegal Governments,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.71,0:20:27.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example, there \Nis Monarchy in Saudi Arabia.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:27.75,0:20:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the same way, \Nthe Clerical Rule in Iran,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:30.05,0:20:33.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in some other places as \Nwell, there are such Governments
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.60,0:20:36.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the fundamental right \Nof the people has been seized
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.63,0:20:39.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which they can elect their \NGovernments of their free will.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.61,0:20:42.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the people \Nwould struggle against it.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.36,0:20:45.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This struggle would be within\Nthe precincts of the law.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.41,0:20:48.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If at some point in time,\Nit crosses the line of the law,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:48.74,0:20:51.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then some limits and conditions\Nwould exist,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.14,0:20:55.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I have elaborated in the \Ndiscussion on 'Khuruuj' in my books.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.39,0:20:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, to get rid \Nof the Authoritative Governments,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.12,0:21:01.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is no other way except \Nopposition or struggle against them.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.58,0:21:03.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When a way is adopted,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:03.24,0:21:07.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will be seen whether they\Nhave violated some principle,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:07.17,0:21:09.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they have \Ncrossed a certain limit.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.32,0:21:11.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This directive is\Nnot a religious one.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:11.12,0:21:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. the issue in discussion is
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.61,0:21:14.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether religion tells us to do\Nsuch a thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.87,0:21:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, this is not its topic.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.02,0:21:20.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It will tell you that if some\Ndirective is given to you
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.88,0:21:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is an act of transgression against Allah\Nthen you should refuse to follow it.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.22,0:21:27.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. if I am being told \Nthat I should not pray,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.83,0:21:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I have only two ways,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:29.94,0:21:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,either I will give away my\Nlife by violating this order,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:33.12,0:21:35.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or I will act on 'Rukhsat' \Nwhich obviously,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:35.72,0:21:38.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not a very \Ndesired thing in Deen.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:38.32,0:21:42.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if I am being ordered something \Nwhich is against the directives of God,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.47,0:21:44.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I am bound to violate it.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:44.66,0:21:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Prophet of Allah has stated,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:46.60,0:21:49.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"La Taaa't ali Makhluqin\NFi Maasiyatil Khaliq"
Dialogue: 0,0:21:49.77,0:21:52.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,however, the Government\Nis violating some law,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.62,0:21:55.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am not being given \Na directive for transgression,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.37,0:21:59.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Authorities are violating \Nsome law, then I have to see,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:59.84,0:22:02.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. if I am trying to bring \Nabout a change in that Government,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.89,0:22:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then is it some\Ndemocratic Government.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.02,0:22:08.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it is a democratic government \Nthen no sort of anarchy is required,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:08.60,0:22:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you may approach the people,\Nconvince them upon your view,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:12.12,0:22:15.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they accept your opinion, \Nthe Government would change.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.62,0:22:18.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it is an Authoritarian Regime,\Nit is an illegal Government.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.85,0:22:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There will have to be a\Nstruggle against it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.10,0:22:24.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this struggle, we have \Nto make sure that people's lives,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:24.03,0:22:25.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,property and honor\Nare not harmed,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.79,0:22:28.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or some big chaos\Nis not created.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.17,0:22:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are not creating an anarchy where \Nissues for the people are created.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:31.77,0:22:33.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All these things will have to\Nbe taken care of.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.61,0:22:36.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hence there are some conditions \Nas well as some limits of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.58,0:22:38.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That can be discussed in \Ndetail while discussing
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.87,0:22:40.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Khuruuj' on some occasion.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.85,0:22:44.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Ghamidi Sahab, \Nthe responsibility of the State is
Dialogue: 0,0:22:44.02,0:22:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to abide by the \Nagreements it has done.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:47.80,0:22:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Quran has directed this too.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.36,0:22:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,An Islamic State, in today's era,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.36,0:22:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is bound to a number \Nof international accords,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.96,0:22:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if that State is a Member Country \Nof UNO then it is bound by it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:59.87,0:23:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What are the principles\Ngiven by the Deen,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:02.50,0:23:05.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. what would be the level of abiding\Nof these Accords by the State?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.80,0:23:08.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, the UN directs \Nsome country that
Dialogue: 0,0:23:08.53,0:23:12.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can make an offensive \Non some country
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.24,0:23:16.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all Member countries are \Nbound to support it in this offensive,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.87,0:23:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then can the Islamic State decide \Nabout any other Islamic State that
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.28,0:23:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will help others against it.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:23.14,0:23:26.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] This is just hypothetical, \Ni.e. there are various points
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.84,0:23:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in it which come under \Ndiscussion in the UN as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:29.52,0:23:31.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, the point in\Nprinciple is that
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.52,0:23:33.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if there is a certain \Nagreement done by you,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.63,0:23:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then you have to\Nfollow it in spirit.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:36.80,0:23:40.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our Deen has made\Nthis binding upon us.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.03,0:23:44.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. basic morality includes the point \Nthat agreement would be honored,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.90,0:23:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it has been said that God\Nwould make us accountable
Dialogue: 0,0:23:48.14,0:23:51.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in matters of agreement.\NWhatever agreement is done,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.91,0:23:54.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has to be abided by\Nunder all circumstances.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.38,0:23:58.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If at the time of making\Nthe agreement, some mistake is committed,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.53,0:24:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then that agreement\Nis to be openly canceled.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:01.36,0:24:06.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. for example, in the UN \Nsomething takes place
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.13,0:24:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which goes against \Nthe basic morality,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.02,0:24:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which we cannot follow \Nwith respect to religion,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:12.98,0:24:16.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we would make an open \Ndeclaration that we are not bound by it.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.55,0:24:20.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If an agreement is done and then\Nit is violated as well, that is not done.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.38,0:24:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The specific question that \Nyou have put to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:22.94,0:24:27.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my reply to it is what is the point\Nin essence, with regard to a war?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.14,0:24:29.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In essence, it is the\Ntaking of other's life,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.64,0:24:33.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is not a joke, here \Nthe first question would be
Dialogue: 0,0:24:33.89,0:24:36.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether we are called for\Na legitimate war with a valid reason?
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.94,0:24:40.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You are aware that Allah (swt) \Nhas permitted war
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.89,0:24:42.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only against tyranny and oppression.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.72,0:24:45.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the UN would has\Nto validate it,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.54,0:24:47.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so will the US and England too.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:47.74,0:24:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Why USA, England or the UN, \Nmy own Government will
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.47,0:24:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have to satisfy me that \Nthe war is a step against tyranny.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.70,0:25:02.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. it is a must, if I am\Ncommanded to present myself for war,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.70,0:25:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am convinced that this \Nmeasure is an act of aggression,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:06.52,0:25:11.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is itself tyrannical, and moral values\Nare being compromised for it,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.44,0:25:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I would decline.\NI will bear its consequences.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.00,0:25:20.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. for me to take a step \Nagainst someone's life,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.52,0:25:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first and foremost condition\Nis for me to see
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.36,0:25:27.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is the point for\Nwhich life is being taken?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.47,0:25:30.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is it justified as \Nper the law of God?
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.50,0:25:32.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I have told you a very\Nclear point that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.91,0:25:35.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,war can be waged against\Ntyranny and oppression.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.53,0:25:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If some nation creates discord \Nand indulges in tyranny and oppression,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:38.88,0:25:41.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then if we have the right, if we\Nhave power to stop him,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:41.56,0:25:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should stop him, \Nthis is the lone reason for war,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:44.14,0:25:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other than this, war cannot \Nbe waged for any other reason.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.10,0:25:50.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] i.e. as per the Deen, \Nthe State is bound to
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.12,0:25:54.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. if a country has \Nwaged a war against tyranny
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.04,0:25:56.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and oppression\Nof another country,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.35,0:25:59.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the State is bound to \Nan international Agreement,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.10,0:26:01.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it is bound by Deen to\Nprovide supplies from its place,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:01.96,0:26:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the passage is to be provided,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.72,0:26:06.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if it fails to do so
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.87,0:26:10.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then it actually is violating\Nthe directive of the Deen.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.15,0:26:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Ghamidi] You see the point is
Dialogue: 0,0:26:11.60,0:26:13.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if the war is being fought \Nagainst oppression,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.83,0:26:16.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then we have \Nto co-operate for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.15,0:26:17.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. it should be done,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.65,0:26:22.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,however, if I am bound\Nby some agreement to not co-operate,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.43,0:26:24.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have the freedom\Nto decide on co-operating,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.95,0:26:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or not to co-operate if we wish to.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:28.76,0:26:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we shall decide\Nit as per our situation,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.12,0:26:35.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i.e. in the Islamic Shari'ah,\Nit is not that we are bound to wage war
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.49,0:26:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against tyranny and oppression, \Nno, we have the right to wage war.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:38.76,0:26:41.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Binding comes as \Nper the circumstances.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:41.33,0:26:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The war becomes obligatory \Nwhen I have the capability for it.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.96,0:26:47.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like Hajj becomes obligatory\Nonly when we can afford it,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.94,0:26:51.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,likewise, the war also becomes\Nobligatory when we can afford it.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.02,0:26:54.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I have to see, what price I will\Nhave to pay for this cooperation?
Dialogue: 0,0:26:54.63,0:26:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, if I am bound \Nas per the agreement,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:56.77,0:27:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example, while signing \Non the charter of the UNO,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:01.10,0:27:05.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have accepted this binding, so now \Nwherever the UNO will start a war,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.04,0:27:07.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will despatch my\Narmy, as I am bound.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.81,0:27:09.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am bound due to\Nthe agreement made.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.99,0:27:12.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Hassan] Ghamidi Sahab, \Nthe most important point
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.36,0:27:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which had been under \Ndiscussion in the law of politics,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.06,0:27:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you discussed it \Nsuccinctly, and in detail,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:17.69,0:27:20.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was the way in which the system \Nof Government will be established.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.98,0:27:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You said that it will be\N"Amrahum Shura Bainahum"
Dialogue: 0,0:27:23.28,0:27:26.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the collective Governance would\Nbe based on mutual opinions
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.27,0:27:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as a consequence of it,\Nyou tried to explain that
Dialogue: 0,0:27:28.76,0:27:32.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Democratic System was\Nin compliance with Islam,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.46,0:27:34.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Islam advocates\Nfor democracy.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.31,0:27:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are a lot \Nof questions on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.84,0:27:39.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the next session, we \Nwill discuss those questions,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.98,0:27:44.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and try to understand your opinion.