1 00:00:00,730 --> 00:00:03,424 What's the worst that can happen? 2 00:00:04,336 --> 00:00:06,558 Almost exactly 10 years ago, 3 00:00:06,582 --> 00:00:10,307 I was sitting in an exam room that was way too cold 4 00:00:10,331 --> 00:00:12,828 waiting to meet my new oncologist. 5 00:00:12,852 --> 00:00:14,787 I was terrified. 6 00:00:14,811 --> 00:00:18,788 Even though my partner at the time was sitting right by my side, 7 00:00:18,812 --> 00:00:20,787 I felt completely alone. 8 00:00:21,298 --> 00:00:24,284 I had just been diagnosed with breast cancer, 9 00:00:24,308 --> 00:00:25,934 and it seemed at the time 10 00:00:25,958 --> 00:00:30,131 that a single bright spot on a scan of my right lung 11 00:00:30,155 --> 00:00:33,090 meant that the cancer had already spread. 12 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:36,123 I had metastatic breast cancer. 13 00:00:36,701 --> 00:00:39,166 I had no medical training at this point, 14 00:00:39,190 --> 00:00:41,280 but I knew what it meant if it were true: 15 00:00:42,076 --> 00:00:44,360 incurable breast cancer. 16 00:00:45,745 --> 00:00:48,263 Terminal breast cancer. 17 00:00:48,988 --> 00:00:51,390 I was 27 years old, 18 00:00:51,414 --> 00:00:54,075 had just been accepted to medical school, 19 00:00:54,099 --> 00:00:57,357 and I wondered if I was already at the end of my life. 20 00:00:58,438 --> 00:01:03,006 My new oncologist was not a warm person. 21 00:01:04,117 --> 00:01:06,371 She dealt in simple facts, 22 00:01:06,395 --> 00:01:08,774 as many brilliant physicians do. 23 00:01:09,747 --> 00:01:13,623 "Our body is made up of cells," she started. 24 00:01:14,361 --> 00:01:15,941 I stopped her. 25 00:01:16,385 --> 00:01:18,574 "I'm starting medical school soon. 26 00:01:18,598 --> 00:01:19,828 I know." 27 00:01:20,796 --> 00:01:25,493 Instead of taking this as a signal to go backward, to start again, 28 00:01:25,517 --> 00:01:27,227 she went forward. 29 00:01:27,251 --> 00:01:29,704 She said that I would need to start on chemotherapy 30 00:01:29,728 --> 00:01:31,188 to control the cancer. 31 00:01:31,212 --> 00:01:34,744 She launched into the details of the drug and the side effects 32 00:01:34,768 --> 00:01:35,963 and the schedule. 33 00:01:36,542 --> 00:01:40,504 I reminded her that we hadn't even yet biopsied the bright spot on my lung, 34 00:01:40,528 --> 00:01:44,474 and I asked if she was sure that it was cancer. 35 00:01:45,282 --> 00:01:50,748 I remember viscerally how she seemed almost frustrated with my question. 36 00:01:50,772 --> 00:01:54,266 Perhaps she thought I wasn't following along with her explanations, 37 00:01:54,290 --> 00:01:56,852 or, worse still, I was in denial. 38 00:01:57,935 --> 00:02:01,372 I simply wanted her to understand that, as her patient, 39 00:02:01,396 --> 00:02:06,730 the biopsy was not just a mere formality to prove an already foregone conclusion. 40 00:02:06,754 --> 00:02:11,057 It was a steel needle through skin, muscle and bone 41 00:02:11,081 --> 00:02:15,353 that would deliver a deep piece of me to the surface and answer a question 42 00:02:15,377 --> 00:02:18,251 I wish didn't have to be asked. 43 00:02:18,275 --> 00:02:22,540 Before the biopsy, I could be a 27-year-old woman 44 00:02:22,564 --> 00:02:25,578 who might have metastatic breast cancer, 45 00:02:25,602 --> 00:02:29,023 who probably had metastatic breast cancer. 46 00:02:29,047 --> 00:02:31,427 This is a critical distinction, 47 00:02:31,451 --> 00:02:35,917 but it's not one that's emphasized in the most elite oncology training. 48 00:02:36,774 --> 00:02:40,771 Instead, I was dismissed with an appointment to start treatment 49 00:02:40,795 --> 00:02:42,487 in just a few weeks. 50 00:02:43,531 --> 00:02:47,185 So much has happened since that first visit. 51 00:02:47,209 --> 00:02:50,459 Ironically, the biopsy was not just a mere formality. 52 00:02:50,483 --> 00:02:53,514 My former oncologist was right. 53 00:02:53,538 --> 00:02:54,661 (Laughter) 54 00:02:54,685 --> 00:02:56,273 It did show cancer, 55 00:02:56,297 --> 00:03:00,237 but it was a totally separate lung cancer, 56 00:03:00,261 --> 00:03:02,256 and as crazy as it sounds, 57 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,996 this was great news. 58 00:03:05,020 --> 00:03:07,596 I did not have metastatic breast cancer, 59 00:03:07,620 --> 00:03:09,909 I had two different cancers, 60 00:03:09,933 --> 00:03:12,377 but both of them were localized, 61 00:03:12,401 --> 00:03:14,655 and so the lung cancer was localized enough 62 00:03:14,679 --> 00:03:16,563 that it could be removed. 63 00:03:16,587 --> 00:03:20,258 And so the onslaught of treatments began with a lung surgery, 64 00:03:20,282 --> 00:03:21,996 continued with chemotherapy 65 00:03:22,020 --> 00:03:26,228 and ended with a breast surgery just after my 28th birthday. 66 00:03:26,925 --> 00:03:28,623 And then two weeks later, 67 00:03:29,298 --> 00:03:31,355 I started medical school. 68 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,675 My new oncologist -- 69 00:03:34,699 --> 00:03:35,733 (Laughter) 70 00:03:35,757 --> 00:03:40,626 who deals much more fluidly both with facts and their implications, 71 00:03:40,650 --> 00:03:42,138 very reasonably suggested 72 00:03:42,162 --> 00:03:46,195 that I should defer my acceptance to medical school for a year, 73 00:03:46,219 --> 00:03:49,954 take some time to rest, to recover, 74 00:03:49,978 --> 00:03:51,793 and I trusted her advice. 75 00:03:51,817 --> 00:03:56,442 I felt terrible during the intensive chemotherapy sessions. 76 00:03:56,466 --> 00:03:58,077 And so I wrote to the dean. 77 00:03:58,101 --> 00:04:00,125 I explained my circumstances, 78 00:04:00,149 --> 00:04:02,648 and a deferral was speedily granted. 79 00:04:03,460 --> 00:04:05,945 But as the chemo fog lifted, 80 00:04:05,969 --> 00:04:09,232 I wondered what I was going to do with a year. 81 00:04:09,804 --> 00:04:12,201 Should I go to the beach? 82 00:04:12,225 --> 00:04:13,257 (Laughter) 83 00:04:13,281 --> 00:04:15,704 I wasn't really a beach person. 84 00:04:15,728 --> 00:04:16,806 (Laughter) 85 00:04:16,830 --> 00:04:20,851 And how many years did I have left, anyway? 86 00:04:20,875 --> 00:04:23,029 I really wanted to go to medical school. 87 00:04:23,053 --> 00:04:25,869 It seemed like a missing piece of my puzzle. 88 00:04:26,474 --> 00:04:30,018 So instead of going around and around with indecision, 89 00:04:30,042 --> 00:04:33,044 I asked myself: What's the worst that could happen? 90 00:04:33,068 --> 00:04:36,882 Well, I could be too weak or too sick to do the work. 91 00:04:36,906 --> 00:04:39,328 It could be too hard for me emotionally. 92 00:04:39,352 --> 00:04:42,279 I could fail out of medical school. 93 00:04:42,303 --> 00:04:45,901 But then I remembered, that wouldn't be the worst thing that happened to me 94 00:04:45,925 --> 00:04:47,341 even that year. 95 00:04:47,365 --> 00:04:50,142 So why not get started? 96 00:04:50,166 --> 00:04:54,123 Why not continue living the way that I wanted to live? 97 00:04:54,671 --> 00:04:56,218 So I did. 98 00:04:56,242 --> 00:04:58,221 Bald and rail thin, 99 00:04:58,245 --> 00:05:01,894 I put on my best earrings and my favorite dress, 100 00:05:01,918 --> 00:05:03,624 and I started. 101 00:05:03,648 --> 00:05:05,807 I pretended to belong, 102 00:05:05,831 --> 00:05:07,292 and I began to. 103 00:05:07,918 --> 00:05:11,029 There is no way to describe how hard it was. 104 00:05:11,053 --> 00:05:13,509 Some days it felt impossible. 105 00:05:13,533 --> 00:05:17,787 It felt as I was doing things that would never matter in the future. 106 00:05:18,312 --> 00:05:21,780 But every day, I asked myself: Are you still enjoying this? 107 00:05:21,804 --> 00:05:23,963 Is this still what you want to be doing? 108 00:05:24,451 --> 00:05:26,651 And every day, the answer was yes, 109 00:05:26,675 --> 00:05:29,175 sometimes a very qualified yes, 110 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:30,619 but a yes. 111 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:33,465 And then, just as I was getting comfortable 112 00:05:33,489 --> 00:05:37,208 and feeling like I might not necessarily fail out of medical school, 113 00:05:37,232 --> 00:05:40,377 I received even more devastating news. 114 00:05:40,401 --> 00:05:47,032 I learned that I had a mutation in a gene called TP53, or p53 for short. 115 00:05:47,056 --> 00:05:49,618 Known as the guardian of the genome, 116 00:05:49,642 --> 00:05:50,934 a mutation, 117 00:05:50,958 --> 00:05:55,782 p53 is responsible for supervising the repair of our DNA. 118 00:05:56,166 --> 00:05:59,666 A mutation in this gene means errors go uncorrected. 119 00:05:59,690 --> 00:06:03,602 It means that normal cells become cancerous at a much higher rate. 120 00:06:04,358 --> 00:06:06,250 All of a sudden, with this knowledge, 121 00:06:06,274 --> 00:06:09,196 my medical history made a terrible kind of sense. 122 00:06:09,544 --> 00:06:14,044 I had had a childhood cancer -- rhabdomyosarcoma -- at age seven. 123 00:06:14,068 --> 00:06:16,074 It recurred when I was a teenager. 124 00:06:16,098 --> 00:06:19,709 And this was all before p53 had been discovered in the lab. 125 00:06:20,221 --> 00:06:23,661 Then I'd had young adult breast and lung cancers. 126 00:06:24,373 --> 00:06:26,502 With the knowledge of this mutation, 127 00:06:26,526 --> 00:06:29,023 it seemed that there was likely no end 128 00:06:29,047 --> 00:06:32,164 to the number of cancers that I could expect in my future. 129 00:06:33,414 --> 00:06:34,749 And yet, 130 00:06:34,773 --> 00:06:38,753 I decided to become a radiation oncologist. 131 00:06:38,777 --> 00:06:39,841 (Laughter) 132 00:06:39,865 --> 00:06:43,885 I hoped to graduate from residency in just a few months, 133 00:06:43,909 --> 00:06:45,384 move to a new city 134 00:06:45,408 --> 00:06:49,814 and start my first real job as a doctor and researcher, 135 00:06:50,882 --> 00:06:53,265 because of grit, 136 00:06:53,289 --> 00:06:54,910 because of privilege, 137 00:06:54,934 --> 00:06:57,317 because of therapy, 138 00:06:57,341 --> 00:07:01,804 because of my medical teams and my family and my teachers, 139 00:07:02,595 --> 00:07:06,704 because genetic diagnoses should give us the knowledge 140 00:07:06,728 --> 00:07:08,046 to move forward. 141 00:07:08,683 --> 00:07:11,701 And even in the year 2020, 142 00:07:11,725 --> 00:07:16,406 that generally doesn't mean miracle cures or medical breakthroughs. 143 00:07:16,993 --> 00:07:20,043 Having a devastating genetic diagnosis 144 00:07:20,067 --> 00:07:23,314 means learning to live with uncertainty. 145 00:07:24,028 --> 00:07:27,371 It means learning that you and your diagnosis 146 00:07:27,395 --> 00:07:29,625 are not the worst thing that could happen. 147 00:07:30,481 --> 00:07:32,393 Learning to live with uncertainty 148 00:07:32,417 --> 00:07:34,791 means walking forward into a life 149 00:07:34,815 --> 00:07:39,334 that is as full of beauty as it is of challenges. 150 00:07:39,911 --> 00:07:44,856 It means learning for yourself that cancer is just part of your story. 151 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,392 It may not be the worst thing that happens to you, 152 00:07:47,416 --> 00:07:49,323 and if it is, that's OK. 153 00:07:49,347 --> 00:07:51,816 You can claim that, and you can own that, 154 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,572 but let that be a narrative that you author and you authorize, 155 00:07:55,596 --> 00:07:58,634 not one that's prescribed to you by someone else. 156 00:07:58,658 --> 00:08:02,896 Have your deferral letter in hand, but use it on your terms. 157 00:08:04,353 --> 00:08:07,075 As I come to the end of my oncology training, 158 00:08:07,099 --> 00:08:10,537 I have déjà vu again and again with the following scenario: 159 00:08:10,561 --> 00:08:12,531 A patient has cancer. 160 00:08:12,555 --> 00:08:14,317 There are several options, 161 00:08:14,341 --> 00:08:20,286 all of which offer a different balance between cure and quality of life, 162 00:08:20,310 --> 00:08:24,166 between the possibility of alleviating suffering 163 00:08:24,190 --> 00:08:27,098 and the possibility of causing suffering. 164 00:08:27,122 --> 00:08:29,202 An oncologist lays out the options, 165 00:08:29,226 --> 00:08:32,540 but, somewhere in the discussion, things get skewed. 166 00:08:32,564 --> 00:08:34,614 The choice becomes something more like, 167 00:08:34,638 --> 00:08:37,957 "Well, you could choose to do something 168 00:08:37,981 --> 00:08:40,566 or you could choose to do nothing. 169 00:08:41,394 --> 00:08:45,735 We could be aggressive, and treat your cancer, 170 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:47,117 or we could watch it." 171 00:08:47,844 --> 00:08:50,412 And 9.9 times out of 10, the patient says, 172 00:08:50,436 --> 00:08:54,050 "I want to do everything I can do." 173 00:08:54,655 --> 00:08:56,350 Of course. 174 00:08:56,374 --> 00:08:59,741 Who wouldn't want everything? 175 00:09:00,446 --> 00:09:02,049 But what is everything? 176 00:09:02,781 --> 00:09:08,424 Is everything the ability to sit in your own home in front of your window 177 00:09:08,448 --> 00:09:11,577 bathed in sunshine and surrounded by family? 178 00:09:12,041 --> 00:09:16,043 Is everything still being able to feel your fingers and your toes 179 00:09:16,067 --> 00:09:18,749 because they haven't gone numb from chemotherapy? 180 00:09:19,719 --> 00:09:24,061 As oncologists, our everything is cancer treatment. 181 00:09:24,672 --> 00:09:29,962 It's radiation and surgery and chemotherapy and novel treatments. 182 00:09:29,986 --> 00:09:32,383 And for us, the worst thing that could happen -- 183 00:09:32,407 --> 00:09:35,121 and I have heard more than one oncologist say this -- 184 00:09:35,145 --> 00:09:36,731 the worst thing that could happen 185 00:09:36,755 --> 00:09:39,715 is that the patient will develop metastatic disease. 186 00:09:39,739 --> 00:09:43,306 Or, the worst thing that could happen is that five years from now, 187 00:09:43,330 --> 00:09:46,417 the cancer will grow, and I'll have to give more radiation. 188 00:09:47,047 --> 00:09:49,667 As a patient and as an oncologist, 189 00:09:49,691 --> 00:09:53,843 I would never argue that these are not devastating outcomes. 190 00:09:53,867 --> 00:09:55,779 But are they the worst? 191 00:09:56,192 --> 00:09:58,691 Should cancer control, 192 00:09:58,715 --> 00:10:01,942 be at the center of our thinking, always? 193 00:10:03,727 --> 00:10:10,727 Many unspeakably, unfathomably painful and brutal things have happened to me 194 00:10:10,751 --> 00:10:14,357 because of my cancers and my genetic mutation. 195 00:10:14,845 --> 00:10:19,031 And yet, I consider myself very lucky indeed, 196 00:10:19,055 --> 00:10:22,063 because the worst thing that could happen never came to pass; 197 00:10:22,902 --> 00:10:28,183 because I have let devastation and uncertainty sit at the table, 198 00:10:28,207 --> 00:10:30,712 but somewhere off to the side. 199 00:10:30,736 --> 00:10:33,348 When I was diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer, 200 00:10:33,372 --> 00:10:37,539 I went to Boston for a second opinion, because what could I lose? 201 00:10:37,563 --> 00:10:40,533 When my oncologist gave me very good and very safe 202 00:10:40,557 --> 00:10:41,935 and very standard advice, 203 00:10:41,959 --> 00:10:44,171 I started medical school anyway, 204 00:10:44,195 --> 00:10:47,207 even though I was undergoing active cancer treatment. 205 00:10:48,390 --> 00:10:51,402 Instead of shying away from patients with cancer, 206 00:10:51,426 --> 00:10:53,768 I became a radiation oncologist, 207 00:10:53,792 --> 00:10:56,255 and I work with patients who are very much like me 208 00:10:56,279 --> 00:10:57,622 every single day. 209 00:10:58,325 --> 00:11:03,534 Instead of imagining the suffering that I might cause to a future partner 210 00:11:03,558 --> 00:11:05,620 when I died of cancer, 211 00:11:05,644 --> 00:11:08,557 I married my wonderful husband. 212 00:11:09,398 --> 00:11:11,475 Because the worst thing that can happen 213 00:11:11,499 --> 00:11:14,728 is always a series of negatives. 214 00:11:14,752 --> 00:11:16,859 It's blank spaces 215 00:11:16,883 --> 00:11:18,974 that should be filled with life. 216 00:11:20,351 --> 00:11:26,498 So what is the most that I have leaned in to this kind of radical uncertainty? 217 00:11:27,656 --> 00:11:30,800 Well, this is William. 218 00:11:32,064 --> 00:11:37,692 He is the most joyful person that I have ever met, 219 00:11:38,691 --> 00:11:43,857 and in just over a year, he has already made the world a better place. 220 00:11:46,341 --> 00:11:50,263 As oncologists, we talk to our patients 221 00:11:50,287 --> 00:11:52,188 as if the worst thing that could happen 222 00:11:52,212 --> 00:11:54,490 is that their cancer could come back, 223 00:11:54,514 --> 00:11:57,598 or that it could spread, or that they could die from it. 224 00:11:58,071 --> 00:12:00,888 As a patient, I know that these are paramount. 225 00:12:00,912 --> 00:12:03,812 But I want to change the way that we think about this, 226 00:12:03,836 --> 00:12:07,600 and I want to change the way that we talk about this with our patients. 227 00:12:08,171 --> 00:12:09,702 As a patient, 228 00:12:09,726 --> 00:12:14,545 the worst thing that can happen is that cancer robs you of opportunity, 229 00:12:14,569 --> 00:12:16,564 of the ability to be 230 00:12:16,588 --> 00:12:17,901 and to do 231 00:12:17,925 --> 00:12:19,442 and to love. 232 00:12:20,044 --> 00:12:21,570 And it will. 233 00:12:21,594 --> 00:12:24,276 At least temporarily it will. 234 00:12:24,802 --> 00:12:28,032 But to minimize this loss of life in the living, 235 00:12:28,056 --> 00:12:34,432 that is the harder, and I would say, truer job of the oncologist: 236 00:12:34,456 --> 00:12:38,820 to take all the tools that we have and situate them in the context 237 00:12:38,844 --> 00:12:41,461 of a patient's whole entire life; 238 00:12:41,485 --> 00:12:45,505 to be guides for how to sit with suffering, 239 00:12:45,529 --> 00:12:47,713 acknowledge it deeply, 240 00:12:47,737 --> 00:12:52,820 but to not let fear of future suffering be the narrative for the journey forward. 241 00:12:54,053 --> 00:12:58,525 One of my mentors always says the medicine part is easy. 242 00:12:59,571 --> 00:13:03,491 And it never feels that way to a junior doctor, 243 00:13:03,515 --> 00:13:06,104 but its contours are finite. 244 00:13:06,695 --> 00:13:12,680 We have big studies to guide us, and it's what we learn to do in residency. 245 00:13:13,695 --> 00:13:20,686 Much harder is learning how to help each patient navigate the multitudes 246 00:13:20,710 --> 00:13:22,876 contained in their illness. 247 00:13:24,548 --> 00:13:29,618 So I find it really funny that, in retrospect, 248 00:13:29,642 --> 00:13:32,380 my life looks like a neat package. 249 00:13:32,938 --> 00:13:37,134 It looks as if I planned each successive step, 250 00:13:37,158 --> 00:13:41,620 and that perhaps cancer has led to the good things in my life. 251 00:13:42,465 --> 00:13:45,672 Step one: apply to medical school. 252 00:13:45,696 --> 00:13:49,107 Step two: get diagnosed with and treated for cancer. 253 00:13:49,131 --> 00:13:51,580 And step three: have it all, 254 00:13:51,604 --> 00:13:54,085 a career and a family. 255 00:13:55,266 --> 00:13:57,187 But I will tell you 256 00:13:57,941 --> 00:14:02,586 that each phase was a leap of faith 257 00:14:02,610 --> 00:14:06,868 despite an almost paralyzing uncertainty. 258 00:14:08,102 --> 00:14:09,798 And so it's that courage 259 00:14:09,822 --> 00:14:12,698 that I try to give to each of my patients. 260 00:14:13,287 --> 00:14:17,501 I try to do this regardless of the technical medical details 261 00:14:17,525 --> 00:14:19,651 of cancers and treatment decisions 262 00:14:19,675 --> 00:14:21,401 and mutations, 263 00:14:21,425 --> 00:14:24,281 regardless of the slippery fiction 264 00:14:24,305 --> 00:14:25,833 of prognosis. 265 00:14:26,637 --> 00:14:29,483 I try to learn what they want 266 00:14:29,507 --> 00:14:31,444 and what they need, 267 00:14:31,468 --> 00:14:34,886 what they wish and what they worry, 268 00:14:36,239 --> 00:14:39,122 what they dream about, 269 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,258 what animated them before 270 00:14:43,282 --> 00:14:49,901 and what will sustain them during the beastly process of cancer treatment. 271 00:14:51,082 --> 00:14:54,538 It doesn't actually take that much time. 272 00:14:55,746 --> 00:15:00,342 It does take a few focused, quiet moments 273 00:15:00,366 --> 00:15:03,803 that require intentional cultivation. 274 00:15:04,956 --> 00:15:07,430 But this is partnership, 275 00:15:08,487 --> 00:15:10,482 and it matters, 276 00:15:11,538 --> 00:15:14,587 because the worst thing that can happen 277 00:15:14,611 --> 00:15:20,921 is to have an oncologist who does everything -- everything -- 278 00:15:20,945 --> 00:15:24,079 to help cure your cancer 279 00:15:24,103 --> 00:15:26,399 and who does nothing 280 00:15:26,423 --> 00:15:29,024 to help you live your life. 281 00:15:30,587 --> 00:15:31,913 Thank you. 282 00:15:31,937 --> 00:15:36,460 (Applause)