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Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.10,0:00:41.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nathalie Djurberg: Art is like one of the\Nfew places in society that is not so rigid,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.54,0:00:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which doesn't have to have one single purpose,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.30,0:00:49.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because where would this fit in otherwise?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.57,0:01:13.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My work, it's a looking for the answer,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.65,0:01:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the answer itself is not so important.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.54,0:01:22.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's more important what I discover during\Nthe making of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.15,0:01:51.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I moved here around 2003 for the electronic\Nmusic scene.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.25,0:01:56.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was just sitting at home making music for\Nmyself, before I met Nathalie.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.84,0:02:01.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Berlin is like a free zone.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.05,0:02:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You live in a sort of bubble.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.71,0:02:08.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's not so many social constraints.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.90,0:02:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Djurberg: Living in Berlin has had a big influence.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.76,0:02:16.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, it's more feeling very free.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.08,0:02:24.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm self-taught in animation, and he's kind\Nof the same with music.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.10,0:02:28.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Berg:\NIf you're self-taught, what's driving you
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.37,0:02:31.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the necessity to do it.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.05,0:02:43.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Djurberg: The best way that I can make the\Nidea is by making an animation.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.68,0:02:47.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's just because that fits me.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.79,0:02:50.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I could do it in a simpler way, I would.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.78,0:02:57.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if I was a brilliant writer, I would write.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.36,0:03:04.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before, I had been so frustrated in not being\Nable to tell what I wanted to tell.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.31,0:03:07.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I didn't find a way to do it in one image.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.98,0:03:10.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I made an animation, and that suited\Nme perfectly,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.93,0:03:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I didn't have to be content with one image.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.76,0:03:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I could have a thousand.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.23,0:03:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the studio there are no taboos.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.00,0:03:47.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Taboos exist because we are really scared\Nof being that ourselves.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.95,0:03:49.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we don't look at it.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.43,0:03:53.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bringing art into the light--to say that,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.60,0:03:56.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"No, that was just a thought"--
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.74,0:03:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't really belong to me in that way.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.00,0:04:01.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was just so terrified of looking at it,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.91,0:04:05.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I was so scared of finding out something\Nabout myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.13,0:04:41.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never did something that was a maze before.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.00,0:04:43.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is pretty massive,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.39,0:04:47.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because usually I don't have to be inside\Nthe set this much.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.85,0:05:19.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Berg: When we met, she didn't think I'd be\Na good musical partner.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.04,0:05:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Djurberg: He was sharing an apartment with\Nmy best friend,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:23.98,0:05:26.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she suggested he would make music to me.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.84,0:05:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I gave him a finished one I wasn't happy with.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:31.62,0:05:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Berg: When I saw her films, I hadn't seen\Nanything like it before.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.50,0:05:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like nothing.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.50,0:05:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's nothing that looks like it.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.40,0:05:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It evoked something specific with me.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:42.58,0:05:45.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the beginning, I was kind of scared to\Nmake music for them actually.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.02,0:05:47.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I thought, I don't want to change\Nthem too much.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.75,0:05:58.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Djurberg: When he gave it back to me, he had\Nflipped it so much,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.23,0:06:02.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that all the mistakes and all the crudeness\Nof it didn't matter.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.78,0:06:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It had made the flip that I hadn't been able to.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.85,0:06:12.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even though images evoke emotions,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.45,0:06:15.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,music or sound do it even more.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:16.42,0:06:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hans is an expert manipulator in that way.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.07,0:06:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't really care about story.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.82,0:06:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the situation that interests me.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.38,0:06:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me, it's not so interesting if I know\Neverything that's going to happen in animation.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.43,0:07:00.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I lose interest in it because then I've already\Nseen it in my head.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.88,0:07:03.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't write ideas up.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.76,0:07:08.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I never do because the one that matters stays anyway,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.92,0:07:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or they come back in another form.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.10,0:07:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Berg: It's more about letting things pop up\Nand just knowing which things to grab.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.07,0:07:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's how I see ideas, a bit like I don't\Nmake them.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.32,0:07:31.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm more catching them.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.19,0:07:38.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The best I can do is just catch the right ideas.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.63,0:08:05.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Djurberg: I am intrigued by what is hidden\Nand what it is trying to hide.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:20.41,0:08:25.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the "Dark Side of the Moon," it's about\Nexploring a secret that you don't know what it is,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.100,0:08:32.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like your own secret that you expect to find\Nbut you never find it because it doesn't really
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.21,0:08:34.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exist.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.39,0:08:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Berg: For this film, which is in this enchanted\Nforest setting,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.63,0:08:56.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted the music to be mystical.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.24,0:08:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's more like a musical almost.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.02,0:09:07.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because the characters are so clumsy, and\Nugly, and a bit disgusting,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.76,0:09:10.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to make the music really beautiful.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.00,0:09:34.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Djurberg: There's always a distance when you\Nlook at a screen or a projection.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.57,0:09:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to have this immersion of being with\Nthis physically.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.65,0:09:42.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Berg: It's like walking inside an animation.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.10,0:09:51.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The forest, it's like a magical place.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.96,0:09:53.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to work with that.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.72,0:09:57.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Djurberg: Both Hans and I are very colored\Nby being Swedish.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.58,0:10:03.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The culture of the folklore, that was a very,\Nvery big influence in my childhood.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.71,0:10:11.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That always went back to nature, like fables\Nwhere animals are representing different human
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.89,0:10:12.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,characters.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.80,0:10:24.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I use an animal, I can show a personal\Ntrait, a characteristic.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:28.09,0:10:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was extremely fascinated with the folklore\Nthat are not directed for children.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.99,0:10:37.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My art is not for children.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.28,0:10:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A child would look at the animation.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.04,0:10:43.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They might see a banana, but a grownup might not.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.34,0:10:47.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They will see a banana but also what it symbolizes.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.91,0:11:02.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My process is really long.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.96,0:11:07.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The animation that I'm working on now, I worked\Non it for four and a half months.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:12.94,0:11:16.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't like post-production at all, and I\Ndon't like editing.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.21,0:11:20.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is no point in doing that afterwards.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.60,0:11:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Animating is for me to jump into the unknown.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.46,0:11:30.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Once that is done, there is no feeling or\Nnecessity to work with it after.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.14,0:12:29.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Berg: Now I'm just trying out different basic ideas.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.22,0:12:31.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's quite dark, and I want to keep it like that.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.78,0:12:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this animation, the search that goes on\Nand on in this maze,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.23,0:12:45.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want the music to be almost like it's rolling\Nforward all the time, almost a bit drunk.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.43,0:12:47.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what I want to emphasize with the music.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.12,0:13:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Djurberg: The film is about that you get lost\Nin your own mind.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:18.60,0:13:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wanting to get out, you keep on going in this loop,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.98,0:13:26.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just going through these corridors like a maze,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.15,0:13:27.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never getting out.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.61,0:13:32.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even if I'm not doing something that is directly\Nabout me,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.83,0:13:35.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's absolutely still about me.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.40,0:13:45.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everything I do in art is a discovering of\Nwho I am.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.41,0:13:48.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the search.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.05,0:13:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is the fascination.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.13,0:13:55.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think that emotions or feelings should\Nbe controlled.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.74,0:14:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They should be felt and looked at.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.29,0:14:03.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's when they're hidden that they are a problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.53,0:14:12.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have nothing really to say to anyone because\NI can't know what anyone else needs.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.46,0:14:19.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You can think that you know what someone else\Nneeds, but it's impossible to know.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.03,0:14:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But since people are not that different and\NI'm a human being,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.22,0:14:29.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some parts of me will really resonate with\Nother people.