WEBVTT 00:00:00.776 --> 00:00:03.716 >> One, two, three, four-- 00:00:03.716 --> 00:00:04.626 >> I'll just make like a-- 00:00:04.626 --> 00:00:07.136 >> four. This is perfect. 00:00:07.896 --> 00:00:13.516 >> I'll just make a square like this. 00:00:14.436 --> 00:00:16.476 >> And then set the other way [inaudible]. 00:00:16.476 --> 00:00:17.206 This is what-- 00:00:17.206 --> 00:00:17.273 >> [Laughs] 00:00:17.273 --> 00:00:22.746 >> What? Why are you laughing? 00:00:22.746 --> 00:00:23.346 >> [Laughs] 00:00:23.346 --> 00:00:28.076 >> Hey that's easy too! 00:00:30.526 --> 00:00:32.266 >> Okay, do you need music? 00:00:32.266 --> 00:00:36.476 >> Sometimes I wonder if you know kind of know how that stuff comes across? 00:00:36.626 --> 00:00:39.186 >> Mom, it's track 7. 00:00:39.386 --> 00:00:42.646 >> That's a-- that's an ancient Aryan good luck symbol. 00:00:42.646 --> 00:00:44.686 >> Do you care about people's feelings? 00:00:45.236 --> 00:00:48.246 Of course I do. 00:00:48.246 --> 00:00:52.256 I think I'm a pretty empathetic person. 00:00:52.776 --> 00:00:57.706 >> Because I mean irrespective of what the political reality is as you see it, 00:00:57.706 --> 00:01:00.666 as other people see it, there would just be-- there's just a lot of people who-- 00:01:00.666 --> 00:01:05.736 >> Oh you mean all the Jews that might be just like really upset at seeing a swastika 00:01:05.736 --> 00:01:07.676 so that they might, you know, be offended and? 00:01:07.676 --> 00:01:08.886 >> Why does that make you want to cause more offense? 00:01:08.886 --> 00:01:12.136 >> I'm not doing-- See I'm not doing it to go cause pain to somebody. 00:01:12.136 --> 00:01:15.586 Just because I find it entertaining to put a swastika on the floor. 00:01:15.976 --> 00:01:17.366 You told me to act normal. 00:01:17.586 --> 00:01:19.976 You told me to do stuff that I would normally have done. 00:01:20.326 --> 00:01:23.976 You know when my kids and I go to the beach, sometimes we draw swastikas 00:01:23.976 --> 00:01:26.086 in the sand and you guys are nowhere around. 00:01:26.086 --> 00:01:27.676 Gee, I wonder why we do that? 00:01:27.676 --> 00:01:29.116 Maybe because we just want to. 00:01:29.116 --> 00:01:30.966 Because we think it's a neat looking symbol. 00:01:31.056 --> 00:01:32.666 You just can't comprehend it. 00:01:32.716 --> 00:01:37.186 But you know what's funny, is I can comprehend how you feel. 00:01:37.186 --> 00:01:42.606 I can understand-- you don't seem to understand how I, my way of thinking, 00:01:42.846 --> 00:01:46.916 but I do somewhat understand your way of thinking because I understand because I used 00:01:46.916 --> 00:01:49.156 to be somewhat of a brainwashed lemming like yourself. 00:01:52.196 --> 00:01:53.906 [pause] no offense. 00:01:53.906 --> 00:01:53.973 [laughs] 00:01:53.973 --> 00:01:54.616 >> None taken. 00:01:54.786 --> 00:01:59.236 [Background music] For several weeks I've been living among a community 00:01:59.236 --> 00:02:02.156 of true believers trying to find the humanity 00:02:02.156 --> 00:02:07.096 in people whose world view is probably the most abhorrent and discredited conceivable. 00:02:08.836 --> 00:02:10.976 But so far, I wasn't having a very easy time of it. 00:02:11.516 --> 00:02:22.416 [ Music ] 00:02:22.916 --> 00:02:26.176 My journey began three weeks earlier in Fallbrook, California, 00:02:26.326 --> 00:02:28.726 a small town half an hour outside San Diego. 00:02:29.286 --> 00:02:34.786 I was on my way to meet one of America's most notorious racists, a Grand Dragon of the KKK 00:02:34.906 --> 00:02:39.376 in the 70's, a congressional candidate in the 80's, and now the leader 00:02:39.436 --> 00:02:43.336 of White Aryan Resistance, a self-styled revolutionary group. 00:02:44.116 --> 00:02:45.796 His name: Tom Metzger. 00:02:46.516 --> 00:02:59.326 [ Frog croaking ] 00:02:59.826 --> 00:03:00.436 [Doorbell] Hello. 00:03:00.436 --> 00:03:00.876 >> Hello. 00:03:01.106 --> 00:03:01.666 >> How are you doing? 00:03:01.876 --> 00:03:02.486 >> Pretty good. 00:03:02.486 --> 00:03:03.356 >> You must be Tom. 00:03:03.356 --> 00:03:05.586 >> And which branch of the government are you from? 00:03:05.586 --> 00:03:05.876 I'm Tom. 00:03:05.876 --> 00:03:08.716 >> I'm from the BBC, the broadcasting arm of the government. 00:03:08.756 --> 00:03:10.766 >> Oh, the heavy duty boys, huh? >>Yeah NOTE Paragraph 00:03:10.776 --> 00:03:11.896 >> Come on in. 00:03:15.096 --> 00:03:16.686 >> Are you Tom's better half? 00:03:16.816 --> 00:03:19.206 >> Yes, I am actually. 00:03:19.326 --> 00:03:20.956 >> Oh yes, she's my better half. 00:03:21.876 --> 00:03:22.406 Yeah. 00:03:22.536 --> 00:03:23.796 >> [Laughs] He doesn't admit that much. 00:03:23.816 --> 00:03:24.566 >> I gotta say that. 00:03:24.716 --> 00:03:25.266 Yeah. 00:03:25.266 --> 00:03:26.526 >> Yes you do. 00:03:28.296 --> 00:03:29.656 Come on coffee. 00:03:30.646 --> 00:03:32.706 >> Do you-- I mean how-- I'm just sort of just starting 00:03:32.706 --> 00:03:34.536 out so I don't really-- I'm not familiar with all-- 00:03:34.556 --> 00:03:35.236 >> Sure. 00:03:35.296 --> 00:03:39.746 >> all the terminology and you know the specifics of your politics 00:03:39.856 --> 00:03:43.816 and your world view, but I mean are you a Nazi? 00:03:45.766 --> 00:03:49.026 >> I think I'm more serious than most of the Nazis I've met. 00:03:50.386 --> 00:03:52.936 I'm a pan-Aryanist. 00:03:52.936 --> 00:03:55.626 I believe in white people all over the world sticking together. 00:03:57.096 --> 00:03:58.146 Here's the latest paper. 00:03:58.146 --> 00:04:01.176 >> So this is, the main work you do really is-- 00:04:01.616 --> 00:04:02.706 >> Newspaper. 00:04:02.706 --> 00:04:03.376 Internet. 00:04:04.946 --> 00:04:06.546 >> WAR stands for? 00:04:06.826 --> 00:04:08.106 >> White Aryan Resistance. 00:04:11.576 --> 00:04:13.386 >> What have we got there? 00:04:13.906 --> 00:04:18.315 >> Well this is a typical white whore and a black guy. 00:04:18.776 --> 00:04:21.896 >> What is the problem with a white woman going out with a black man? 00:04:22.026 --> 00:04:25.176 >> Most black men are ugly, number one. 00:04:25.816 --> 00:04:28.406 >> You think you're better looking than Denzel Washington? 00:04:29.556 --> 00:04:29.696 >> Yeah. 00:04:30.276 --> 00:04:30.796 >> Do you really? 00:04:30.796 --> 00:04:31.066 >> Oh yeah. 00:04:32.216 --> 00:04:34.156 >> What if that was put to a vote and you were outvoted? 00:04:34.156 --> 00:04:38.666 >> And If I had the money and the power and the deal making movies, 00:04:39.156 --> 00:04:41.156 I'd get 10 times more women than him. 00:04:42.196 --> 00:04:43.866 >> Do you really believe that? 00:04:43.976 --> 00:04:44.946 That seems delusional. 00:04:46.296 --> 00:04:47.486 >> Well, I believe it. 00:04:47.486 --> 00:04:49.346 I don't know whether it's delusional or not. 00:04:50.316 --> 00:04:53.246 Denzel Washington's in there because they have to do that. 00:04:53.246 --> 00:04:53.626 They have to-- 00:04:53.626 --> 00:04:55.356 >> But I'm just talking about like just on looks. 00:04:55.356 --> 00:04:56.306 I mean you've got to-- I mean-- 00:04:56.696 --> 00:04:57.726 >> Denzel-- you think he's-- 00:04:57.726 --> 00:04:58.656 >> You can't really believe that. 00:04:58.656 --> 00:04:59.566 >> Well he's not bad looking. 00:04:59.566 --> 00:05:01.076 He's not as ugly-- 00:05:01.076 --> 00:05:01.886 >> Yeah but I mean I think-- 00:05:01.886 --> 00:05:03.426 >> he's not as ugly a nigger as most. 00:05:03.946 --> 00:05:06.416 Like Kobe Bryant. 00:05:06.716 --> 00:05:07.806 >> Why did you use that word? 00:05:08.106 --> 00:05:09.126 >> I use it all the time. 00:05:09.126 --> 00:05:10.076 I never used to use it. 00:05:10.946 --> 00:05:12.106 >> Would you not use it around me? 00:05:13.226 --> 00:05:13.886 >> No I'd use it. 00:05:14.636 --> 00:05:16.596 In my home I'll use it. 00:05:16.846 --> 00:05:20.796 If you don't want me to say it in a restaurant or out someplace, I won't. 00:05:21.466 --> 00:05:23.246 But in my home I'll say whatever I want. 00:05:23.786 --> 00:05:27.036 And then it's up to you. 00:05:27.036 --> 00:05:27.796 >> That's your right. 00:05:28.106 --> 00:05:28.346 >> Right. 00:05:28.486 --> 00:05:29.546 >> As a favor to me though. 00:05:30.586 --> 00:05:33.926 >> No. If I decide to say nigger, I'll say it. 00:05:34.356 --> 00:05:36.066 If I don't want to say it, I won't say it. 00:05:37.966 --> 00:05:39.846 That really upsets you don't it? 00:05:40.456 --> 00:05:44.056 >> Mmm, it doesn't really upset me. 00:05:44.056 --> 00:05:45.226 >> Well good then we'll go on. 00:05:45.226 --> 00:05:45.736 Show some more-- 00:05:46.256 --> 00:05:48.856 >> [Inaudible] to like makes me think slightly less of you. 00:05:49.166 --> 00:05:49.826 >> Oh that's okay. 00:05:50.526 --> 00:05:52.146 I'm not here to adopt you. 00:05:54.846 --> 00:05:56.646 Well I got a lot of CDs. 00:05:56.646 --> 00:06:01.486 I don't know that I like every one of them but-- some of them I probably haven't even played yet. 00:06:01.586 --> 00:06:03.166 There's a lot of skinhead music there. 00:06:03.396 --> 00:06:03.826 Bandit! 00:06:06.166 --> 00:06:06.636 >> That one. 00:06:07.616 --> 00:06:09.526 >> Yeah that's-- hey, leave it alone. 00:06:10.956 --> 00:06:11.296 Yeah. 00:06:12.066 --> 00:06:16.276 >> What is the point of having a lynching of a black man on a CD? 00:06:16.756 --> 00:06:20.086 >> I think it's conveying the message that if a black person is 00:06:20.086 --> 00:06:24.366 out of line, badly, that it's fine. 00:06:24.366 --> 00:06:25.206 They should be lynched. 00:06:25.726 --> 00:06:29.816 But we'll probably let the sheriff or the police do it. 00:06:30.236 --> 00:06:34.596 >> Don't you think that's quite-- don't you think that's quite shocking Mary? 00:06:34.596 --> 00:06:35.856 >> I want them all out of here. 00:06:35.856 --> 00:06:38.266 I don't want to hang one at a time. 00:06:38.266 --> 00:06:39.106 Are you kidding? 00:06:39.696 --> 00:06:40.896 That's too slow. 00:06:40.896 --> 00:06:44.196 We want them all out is what-- 00:06:44.196 --> 00:06:44.766 >> Do you really? 00:06:44.766 --> 00:06:45.496 >> Of course. 00:06:46.056 --> 00:06:47.106 We don't need them. 00:06:47.246 --> 00:06:48.256 They're a pain. 00:06:48.386 --> 00:06:49.566 They drag us down. 00:06:51.016 --> 00:06:53.876 But they-- but on the other hand they can have their own nation. 00:06:54.396 --> 00:06:55.496 Their own police. 00:06:55.496 --> 00:06:56.666 Their own military. 00:06:57.396 --> 00:06:59.356 We don't want any part of them. 00:07:00.166 --> 00:07:01.096 They should be happy. 00:07:01.516 --> 00:07:03.666 You know, the blacks are always saying how-- 00:07:03.666 --> 00:07:08.666 >> Don't you think that's quite shocking Mary to have a picture 00:07:08.666 --> 00:07:10.906 of a black guy being lynched on a CD? 00:07:11.476 --> 00:07:13.726 >> It's part of history. 00:07:15.586 --> 00:07:18.176 I don't think it's terribly shocking, no. 00:07:18.506 --> 00:07:20.816 >> [Knocking] I think somebody knocked at the door. 00:07:20.876 --> 00:07:21.866 >> Yeah who is it? 00:07:21.866 --> 00:07:23.166 Would that be Lynn? 00:07:23.296 --> 00:07:23.866 >> I don't know. 00:07:24.186 --> 00:07:25.076 She said 4. 00:07:25.326 --> 00:07:27.116 Oh it is 4. 00:07:32.696 --> 00:07:33.546 [laughs] Laurie. 00:07:34.176 --> 00:07:36.116 My long lost little angel. 00:07:36.406 --> 00:07:38.656 >> Who is Laurie, Mary? 00:07:38.696 --> 00:07:41.736 >> She's the youngest daughter. 00:07:42.056 --> 00:07:42.376 >> Okay. 00:07:42.686 --> 00:07:43.486 >> Hello guys. 00:07:43.486 --> 00:07:44.376 >> Hello. How do you do? 00:07:44.376 --> 00:07:44.696 >> This is-- 00:07:44.696 --> 00:07:45.686 >> Good. How are you? 00:07:45.686 --> 00:07:46.126 >> I'm Louis. 00:07:46.126 --> 00:07:46.676 >> Nice to meet you. 00:07:46.676 --> 00:07:47.516 >> Nice to meet you. 00:07:47.776 --> 00:07:48.546 What do you do Laurie? 00:07:49.066 --> 00:07:50.276 >> I work at Starbucks. 00:07:50.646 --> 00:07:51.136 >> Do you? 00:07:51.306 --> 00:07:52.066 >> And I go to school. 00:07:52.196 --> 00:07:54.296 >> Do you consider yourself a racist? 00:07:54.946 --> 00:08:01.486 >> No. But I think in everyone's own way that everyone is racist because my whole life, 00:08:01.556 --> 00:08:06.786 you know, all throughout school, kids-- white, black, whatever-- 00:08:06.976 --> 00:08:11.366 would hate me because of my last name. 00:08:11.366 --> 00:08:11.726 >> Really? 00:08:11.726 --> 00:08:12.156 >> Yeah. So-- 00:08:12.156 --> 00:08:13.356 >> You pointed at me. 00:08:13.356 --> 00:08:14.226 >> No, well I mean-- 00:08:14.356 --> 00:08:15.526 >> Well why would they do that? 00:08:15.586 --> 00:08:16.766 >> Not because of you but because, you know-- 00:08:16.766 --> 00:08:18.346 >> I never hung any of those kids. 00:08:18.346 --> 00:08:18.976 >> Metzger, ooh. 00:08:19.366 --> 00:08:21.326 You know? Is your dad Tom? 00:08:21.326 --> 00:08:21.806 You know? 00:08:21.806 --> 00:08:25.136 >> Because they'd heard of Tom Metzger as a leading racist and-- 00:08:25.316 --> 00:08:29.846 >> You know even now today at work, you know, people talk about me and-- 00:08:30.126 --> 00:08:32.176 >> Could you go out with a Jewish guy? 00:08:32.176 --> 00:08:34.506 >> I mean I can. 00:08:34.506 --> 00:08:35.256 I'm of age. 00:08:35.256 --> 00:08:37.256 I can, you know, do my own choices. 00:08:37.256 --> 00:08:38.145 >> How would you feel about that? 00:08:38.145 --> 00:08:39.986 Would you worry about what your dad would think? 00:08:40.496 --> 00:08:43.385 >> Maybe a little but not much. 00:08:43.385 --> 00:08:50.036 I'm not going to ask for his approval. 00:08:50.036 --> 00:08:51.476 [laughs] 00:08:51.476 --> 00:08:53.976 >> That wouldn't make me too happy. 00:08:54.266 --> 00:08:55.556 >> Well I'm not. 00:08:55.556 --> 00:08:56.396 >> I know you're not. 00:08:56.396 --> 00:08:56.463 [laughs] 00:08:56.463 --> 00:08:57.786 >> What would you do then? 00:08:58.766 --> 00:09:05.086 >> Well I would not have a Jew with my daughter in this house, period. 00:09:05.346 --> 00:09:08.336 >> [Inaudible] bespeaks a hatred, really. 00:09:08.886 --> 00:09:11.136 >> No I hate the people who cause me to hate. 00:09:12.826 --> 00:09:13.996 They kill my friends. 00:09:13.996 --> 00:09:15.806 They imprison them for life. 00:09:15.806 --> 00:09:21.406 They give them many more years than they do the common black negro. 00:09:23.636 --> 00:09:25.766 They rape and torture our people. 00:09:25.766 --> 00:09:26.306 >> That is such bull. 00:09:26.426 --> 00:09:27.946 That is so-- that is such bull. 00:09:27.946 --> 00:09:31.986 >> Don't you read the crime statistics in your own country for Christ's sake? 00:09:32.996 --> 00:09:35.546 Don't you read what blacks do in England? 00:09:35.576 --> 00:09:35.786 I do. 00:09:43.676 --> 00:09:44.126 Excuse me. 00:09:50.166 --> 00:09:55.766 >> If I wanted to stay the night at your place, would that be, you know would that be feasible? 00:09:55.976 --> 00:09:57.126 >> I don't think I'd like that. 00:09:57.376 --> 00:09:57.686 >> Really? 00:09:57.846 --> 00:10:00.726 >> I don't feel comfortable with any stranger staying in my home. 00:10:01.656 --> 00:10:02.496 It's nothing personal. 00:10:02.766 --> 00:10:06.546 But we can be pals and go out to lunch and go out and have a beer or something like that. 00:10:06.546 --> 00:10:09.376 I'll even take you out there and I'll sing karaoke to you. 00:10:10.016 --> 00:10:18.186 We can be buddies to that point but it would be sort of weird of me to have a buddy-buddy just 00:10:18.186 --> 00:10:20.706 to be a buddy non-political buddy. 00:10:21.106 --> 00:10:21.426 >> Would it? 00:10:21.786 --> 00:10:21.976 >> Yeah. 00:10:22.746 --> 00:10:25.606 >> Because I mean I don't want to do it in a tokenistic way. 00:10:26.046 --> 00:10:28.346 >> Well at this time it would be a very tokenistic way. 00:10:28.346 --> 00:10:28.666 >> Really? 00:10:28.816 --> 00:10:28.926 >> Yeah. 00:10:30.686 --> 00:10:33.576 >> [Singing] Just to be with you. 00:10:33.736 --> 00:10:39.006 Just to be with you. 00:10:39.006 --> 00:10:53.396 There is nothing that I wouldn't do just to be with you. 00:10:53.396 --> 00:10:56.766 >> It'd been a long and in some ways depressing day. 00:10:56.766 --> 00:11:00.586 I'd found Tom's attitudes exhausting and I was still more confused 00:11:00.586 --> 00:11:04.536 when the karaoke bar he took me to turned out to be largely non-white. 00:11:04.746 --> 00:11:14.186 I could only assume that for Tom, karaoke sometimes took precedence over racism. 00:11:18.776 --> 00:11:23.196 >> [Singing] On the day I was born [inaudible] all gathered around. 00:11:23.786 --> 00:11:26.396 They gazed at the wild wonder-- 00:11:28.466 --> 00:11:33.276 >> The next day and Tom was taking me to meet his recently hired manager John Malpezzi. 00:11:34.026 --> 00:11:38.276 John was supposedly a showbiz veteran with a long list of Hollywood contacts. 00:11:39.216 --> 00:11:42.806 Exactly why a Nazi needed such a manager was still unclear to me. 00:11:43.626 --> 00:11:44.426 How do you do? 00:11:44.636 --> 00:11:45.206 >> Fine. 00:11:45.766 --> 00:11:46.686 >> You must be John. 00:11:47.306 --> 00:11:49.156 >> And you must be Louis. 00:11:49.156 --> 00:11:49.956 >> Yes I am. 00:11:49.956 --> 00:11:51.836 >> I've been looking forward to meeting you Louis for a long time. 00:11:51.836 --> 00:11:52.156 >> Yeah me too. 00:11:52.156 --> 00:11:52.686 Thank you. 00:11:53.806 --> 00:11:59.786 >> One of the most important things that I do is arranging for his bookings that are outside 00:11:59.786 --> 00:12:04.626 of the country and that are specialized bookings [inaudible] the appearances [inaudible]. 00:12:05.166 --> 00:12:08.796 We've got a lot of things planned for this year. 00:12:08.796 --> 00:12:13.846 We've got several that are up and coming that you've probably heard of and are invited to. 00:12:13.846 --> 00:12:15.616 And we're looking forward to a very, 00:12:15.616 --> 00:12:26.206 very busy year of raising his profile internationally even more than it is so. 00:12:26.206 --> 00:12:26.416 >> Why? 00:12:27.076 --> 00:12:27.546 >> Why not? 00:12:27.606 --> 00:12:28.296 >> That's his job. 00:12:28.296 --> 00:12:28.866 >> That's my job. 00:12:28.866 --> 00:12:28.976 [laughs] 00:12:28.976 --> 00:12:29.276 >> That's why. 00:12:29.626 --> 00:12:32.276 >> Has John seen the paper that you put out? 00:12:32.276 --> 00:12:32.746 >> Of course. 00:12:32.746 --> 00:12:33.666 >> Yes he's seen it. 00:12:33.666 --> 00:12:34.306 >> Of course. 00:12:34.446 --> 00:12:35.976 >> I don't know how much he's read it but he's seen it. 00:12:41.636 --> 00:12:45.316 Here again I don't grab anybody by the lapels including my manager. 00:12:45.546 --> 00:12:45.626 >> Yeah. 00:12:46.026 --> 00:12:46.316 >> Right. 00:12:46.816 --> 00:12:47.686 >> I don't like that [inaudible]. 00:12:47.686 --> 00:12:53.036 >> And remember-- and remember, I'm an adult guy that's been around a long time. 00:12:53.036 --> 00:12:58.566 >> So would it be appropriate to show you [inaudible] you know to-- 00:12:59.196 --> 00:13:04.176 >> Now if you're going to read-- if you're going to read striking-- 00:13:04.446 --> 00:13:08.026 >> Louis, Louis, Louis. 00:13:08.526 --> 00:13:13.106 >> on fire type of stuff and ask do you agree with this, I don't want to go there 00:13:13.106 --> 00:13:16.356 because that's not what this is all about. 00:13:16.356 --> 00:13:19.626 Other people I've known in the past if you would pull that on them and you were 00:13:19.626 --> 00:13:23.206 in their airplane, they'd throw you out of the airplane over the jungle, you know? 00:13:23.206 --> 00:13:23.273 [laughs] 00:13:23.273 --> 00:13:24.736 >> If I did what? 00:13:24.736 --> 00:13:26.106 John? If I did what John? 00:13:27.956 --> 00:13:34.276 >> Well [pause] let's continue okay? 00:13:34.616 --> 00:13:36.506 [laughs] I love this guy. 00:13:36.506 --> 00:13:37.226 >> He is good. 00:13:37.226 --> 00:13:40.816 >> Hey Tom, I hope you sang "Louie Louie" at the karaoke just for Louis. 00:13:40.816 --> 00:13:41.766 >> "Louie, Louie", yeah. 00:13:41.996 --> 00:13:47.826 >> It was all a little bit weird and I still didn't understand how exactly John 00:13:47.826 --> 00:13:48.956 and Tom fit together. 00:13:48.956 --> 00:13:53.786 But I'd heard rumors that John had had a colorful career prior to working with Tom 00:13:53.996 --> 00:13:56.806 and I wondered whether that might help explain their relationship. 00:13:56.866 --> 00:14:01.196 Back at John's house, I seized my moment to ask. 00:14:01.676 --> 00:14:08.076 And was there some-- did you-- you had some sort of a run-in with the authorities and-- 00:14:08.076 --> 00:14:11.586 >> Wait a minute, wait a minute, what is this? 00:14:11.586 --> 00:14:11.836 >> What? 00:14:12.446 --> 00:14:12.726 >> Like Louis-- 00:14:12.726 --> 00:14:13.516 >> Spent time in-- 00:14:13.516 --> 00:14:15.536 >> Didn't you tell him? 00:14:15.536 --> 00:14:16.436 You told him didn't you? 00:14:16.436 --> 00:14:20.396 >> Didn't you spend time in prison, John? 00:14:21.466 --> 00:14:22.286 >> [Laughs] Sure, why not? 00:14:22.286 --> 00:14:22.946 It's all public [inaudible]. 00:14:22.946 --> 00:14:23.816 >> What was it that happened? 00:14:23.816 --> 00:14:24.576 >> He's on the run. 00:14:24.576 --> 00:14:25.656 Don't tell anybody. 00:14:26.376 --> 00:14:28.656 >> Right, I'm on the run here openly and notoriously. 00:14:29.006 --> 00:14:31.096 I'd rather not discuss that, you know? 00:14:31.316 --> 00:14:31.506 Come on. 00:14:32.026 --> 00:14:33.546 >> You can't talk about that? 00:14:33.926 --> 00:14:36.366 >> Well let me put it to you this way-- I represented a lot of-- 00:14:36.706 --> 00:14:38.576 come on out with it, I'll show you the view boys. 00:14:39.156 --> 00:14:39.766 The view out here. 00:14:41.076 --> 00:14:44.336 I represented a lot of large clients-- as I told you-- 00:14:44.406 --> 00:14:47.496 large clients like Pablo Escobar and guys like that, you know? 00:14:48.176 --> 00:14:51.456 >> You were some kind of cocaine-- big kingpin cocaine dealer? 00:14:51.886 --> 00:14:52.206 >> I-- me? 00:14:52.366 --> 00:14:53.986 Little old me? 00:14:54.166 --> 00:14:54.736 Oh geez. 00:14:55.756 --> 00:14:56.326 >> Seriously? 00:14:57.646 --> 00:15:01.636 >> See everybody needs an attorney. 00:15:01.636 --> 00:15:03.246 Even guys like Pablo Escobar. 00:15:03.296 --> 00:15:05.326 This is the view here. 00:15:05.386 --> 00:15:06.936 >> And how long did you get? 00:15:06.936 --> 00:15:07.826 What was your sentence? 00:15:07.936 --> 00:15:14.276 >> Well I was looking at 85 years and-- 00:15:14.276 --> 00:15:17.766 which would, at that age would have meant a life sentence-- 00:15:18.446 --> 00:15:24.036 and we beat it actually and wound up doing 3 1/2. 00:15:24.476 --> 00:15:25.746 And I'm not ashamed to say that. 00:15:25.746 --> 00:15:26.786 >> What was the conviction? 00:15:27.546 --> 00:15:30.756 >> Cocaine trafficking and related charges. 00:15:31.566 --> 00:15:35.466 Today folks, I'm not into that business. 00:15:35.466 --> 00:15:41.246 You know, you have to move on, you know? 00:15:43.266 --> 00:15:45.206 So I do other things. 00:15:48.376 --> 00:15:50.196 >> How long have the two of you been in business together? 00:15:52.506 --> 00:15:55.266 >> Well we've known each other sometime but-- several years-- 00:15:55.306 --> 00:15:58.536 but we have not really been in business together very long. 00:15:58.736 --> 00:16:00.146 >> I'd say about a year or so, you know? 00:16:01.176 --> 00:16:01.296 >> Yeah. Yeah. 00:16:02.526 --> 00:16:03.416 >> Couple of months you said. 00:16:06.206 --> 00:16:11.566 >> Well you see it crosses over from friendship to business and it gets a little blurry. 00:16:11.926 --> 00:16:14.566 >> Yeah. I know you like to stay with people. 00:16:14.646 --> 00:16:15.656 You're a nice guy. 00:16:15.906 --> 00:16:17.136 Tom's house is his house. 00:16:17.706 --> 00:16:22.246 My mother is, you know, she's, you know, back from the hospital in the next day or two. 00:16:22.246 --> 00:16:27.206 If you're still around, you know it'd be my pleasure to host you Louis. 00:16:27.206 --> 00:16:27.336 >> Really? 00:16:27.336 --> 00:16:29.606 >> I like you-- no I like you as a person 00:16:29.606 --> 00:16:32.126 and I don't think you're as sneaky as you think you are. 00:16:32.126 --> 00:16:34.126 You know I think you're a real nice guy, you know? 00:16:35.416 --> 00:16:36.746 So, other questions? 00:16:36.746 --> 00:16:37.746 >> Would that be okay with you Tom? 00:16:37.956 --> 00:16:38.566 >> I don't care. 00:16:38.926 --> 00:16:40.416 John is his own man. 00:16:40.706 --> 00:16:42.086 All of my people are that way. 00:16:42.086 --> 00:16:43.606 They do what they decide to do-- 00:16:43.606 --> 00:16:46.106 >> Because we were hoping to stay over with you maybe but-- 00:16:46.376 --> 00:16:46.443 >> No. 00:16:46.816 --> 00:16:47.216 >> There's no-- no. 00:16:47.216 --> 00:16:48.406 >> That's not going to happen. 00:16:48.576 --> 00:16:49.266 >> You thinking about it? 00:16:49.766 --> 00:16:51.746 >> No. Nope. 00:16:53.046 --> 00:16:54.046 Wouldn't even consider it. 00:16:55.096 --> 00:16:58.936 >> And remember Louis, every guy that I ever got-- 00:16:59.756 --> 00:17:03.806 >> Who John was and how much of what he said I could believe was still all rather vague 00:17:03.806 --> 00:17:05.925 to me and possibly to him too. 00:17:06.445 --> 00:17:10.626 But it seemed clear that Tom trusted him and I was intrigued by their relationship. 00:17:10.796 --> 00:17:11.276 >> Isn't he? 00:17:11.276 --> 00:17:20.326 >> Some days later and Tom was booked to speak at a skinhead rally. 00:17:20.896 --> 00:17:23.606 For him to make a public appearance was quite a rarity. 00:17:24.036 --> 00:17:27.856 Usually he confined himself to his internet chat room and his phone lines. 00:17:27.976 --> 00:17:31.186 I was curious to meet a few of his supporters face to face 00:17:31.646 --> 00:17:34.776 so a few days before the big event I decided to visit one 00:17:34.776 --> 00:17:37.406 of the organizers, a skinhead named Skip. 00:17:37.556 --> 00:17:42.366 How are you doing? 00:17:42.366 --> 00:17:42.686 >> [Heavy Metal] Good. 00:17:42.686 --> 00:17:43.216 Good morning. 00:17:43.446 --> 00:17:44.306 >> Should we come in? 00:17:44.306 --> 00:17:44.656 >> Come aboard. 00:17:53.626 --> 00:17:54.516 >> Skip, I'm Louis. 00:17:54.726 --> 00:17:55.026 >> I know. 00:17:55.276 --> 00:17:55.636 >> Yeah. 00:17:55.636 --> 00:17:56.076 >> I remember. 00:17:56.076 --> 00:17:56.356 >> Yeah. 00:17:56.566 --> 00:17:56.956 >> Good morning. 00:17:57.286 --> 00:17:57.826 >> Good morning. 00:17:57.826 --> 00:17:58.746 How are you doing? 00:17:58.936 --> 00:17:59.866 >> Good. 00:17:59.966 --> 00:18:01.206 >> Got a little cut? 00:18:01.206 --> 00:18:01.346 >> Yeah. 00:18:01.406 --> 00:18:02.036 >> What happened? 00:18:02.036 --> 00:18:02.746 >> Little cut at work. 00:18:02.916 --> 00:18:03.506 Went right through the lip. 00:18:04.256 --> 00:18:04.486 >> Ouch. 00:18:05.016 --> 00:18:05.436 >> Good stuff. 00:18:05.926 --> 00:18:07.456 >> Introduce us to your family will you? 00:18:07.996 --> 00:18:09.816 >> Hi guys, how are you? 00:18:09.816 --> 00:18:10.346 >> How are you doing? 00:18:10.346 --> 00:18:10.966 >> Sydney. 00:18:11.116 --> 00:18:13.406 Sydney, come here. 00:18:13.406 --> 00:18:14.496 >> [Inaudible] meet the family. 00:18:14.496 --> 00:18:16.786 >> Come here Sydney. 00:18:18.356 --> 00:18:21.236 Come on. This is my youngest Sydney. 00:18:21.366 --> 00:18:21.666 >> Sydney. 00:18:22.636 --> 00:18:23.996 >> This is number two, Rhiannon. 00:18:24.696 --> 00:18:25.326 >> Hi Rhiannon. 00:18:25.326 --> 00:18:27.176 >> And this is number one, Kearney. 00:18:27.436 --> 00:18:28.176 >> Hi Kearney. 00:18:28.226 --> 00:18:29.236 >> My lovely wife, Heather. 00:18:29.316 --> 00:18:29.526 >> Hi. 00:18:29.526 --> 00:18:30.516 >> Hi Heather. 00:18:30.516 --> 00:18:31.536 >> My baby brother, Lenny. 00:18:31.766 --> 00:18:32.256 >> Lenny. 00:18:32.336 --> 00:18:32.716 >> How are you? 00:18:32.716 --> 00:18:33.046 Manny. 00:18:33.156 --> 00:18:33.576 >> Good. Lenny. 00:18:33.656 --> 00:18:33.986 >> Lenny. 00:18:33.986 --> 00:18:34.356 >> Lenny? 00:18:34.586 --> 00:18:34.956 >> Yeah. 00:18:35.156 --> 00:18:35.926 >> Baby brother. 00:18:36.056 --> 00:18:36.236 >> Yeah. 00:18:36.236 --> 00:18:36.696 >> Baby brother. 00:18:36.966 --> 00:18:38.036 >> Baby brother. 00:18:38.036 --> 00:18:38.126 >> Right. 00:18:38.666 --> 00:18:39.196 >> Good stuff. 00:18:39.266 --> 00:18:40.056 >> Yeah, good stuff. 00:18:40.056 --> 00:18:41.376 >> Well welcome to paradise. 00:18:41.546 --> 00:18:43.206 >> Yeah. So this is where you live? 00:18:43.206 --> 00:18:43.816 >> This is where I live. 00:18:43.816 --> 00:18:44.596 This is where it all happens. 00:18:44.596 --> 00:18:45.616 >> This is where we do it all. 00:18:45.666 --> 00:18:45.886 Yeah. 00:18:46.016 --> 00:18:47.086 >> It's where the magic happens. 00:18:49.536 --> 00:18:51.296 >> Watch these cats don't come running out. 00:18:51.866 --> 00:18:54.006 We're going in. 00:18:54.856 --> 00:18:57.716 It's just a regular house. 00:18:57.716 --> 00:18:58.066 You know what I mean? 00:18:58.066 --> 00:18:59.986 It don't look nothing like the garage just because I'm a-- 00:18:59.986 --> 00:19:05.506 you know what I mean, I am responsible too at the same time. 00:19:05.506 --> 00:19:05.736 >> Yeah. 00:19:05.736 --> 00:19:06.496 >> But this is our kitchen. 00:19:06.496 --> 00:19:07.376 This is where we eat. 00:19:07.376 --> 00:19:10.236 >> What do you-- you are a-- I mean would you call yourself a skinhead? 00:19:10.436 --> 00:19:10.606 >> You bet. 00:19:10.606 --> 00:19:10.916 >> Yeah. 00:19:10.966 --> 00:19:13.266 >> Fuck yeah I've been a skinhead since '83. 00:19:13.826 --> 00:19:16.946 >> And you know we've been making a documentary about Tom Metzger 00:19:18.046 --> 00:19:20.816 and do you regard him-- how do you view him? 00:19:21.356 --> 00:19:24.636 >> As a good man. 00:19:25.006 --> 00:19:25.806 A good patriot. 00:19:26.396 --> 00:19:29.406 He's done a lot for a long time. 00:19:29.406 --> 00:19:31.606 Done a lot of good for the young guys. 00:19:32.106 --> 00:19:34.856 I've been following him since like '83. 00:19:34.936 --> 00:19:36.916 You know every move, all the skinheads. 00:19:36.916 --> 00:19:40.756 He's done a lot of good. 00:19:40.976 --> 00:19:41.976 Yeah he's a good patriot. 00:19:42.456 --> 00:19:44.406 >> Would you consider yourself white racist too? 00:19:44.906 --> 00:19:46.676 >> Yeah, definitely. 00:19:46.676 --> 00:19:46.766 >> Yeah. 00:19:47.376 --> 00:19:47.956 >> And Nancy? 00:19:47.956 --> 00:19:51.786 You don't look like-- you're not-- 00:19:51.786 --> 00:19:54.706 >> We're not big conversationalists. 00:19:54.706 --> 00:19:54.916 [laughs] 00:19:54.916 --> 00:19:55.146 >> Yeah. 00:19:55.626 --> 00:19:56.776 >> [Inaudible] little bit of a-- 00:19:56.776 --> 00:19:58.396 >> But she seemed on the fence with that. 00:19:58.626 --> 00:19:59.656 You seemed a little on the fence there. 00:19:59.656 --> 00:19:59.976 >> On the fence? 00:20:00.836 --> 00:20:01.136 >> Yeah. 00:20:01.326 --> 00:20:02.006 >> Like you're not? 00:20:02.006 --> 00:20:03.676 >> No. I think you're on the fence, dude. 00:20:04.456 --> 00:20:04.696 >> Yeah. 00:20:05.236 --> 00:20:05.516 >> Yeah. 00:20:05.736 --> 00:20:09.056 >> I'm on the me- I mean I'm the media. 00:20:09.056 --> 00:20:14.156 I don't come, you know I don't come-- I'm not sort of like disguising-- 00:20:14.316 --> 00:20:16.696 >> I'm just saying that's like an insult to say someone's on the fence. 00:20:16.696 --> 00:20:17.176 >> Really? 00:20:17.176 --> 00:20:17.386 >> Yeah. 00:20:18.316 --> 00:20:18.666 >> Why? 00:20:18.666 --> 00:20:20.326 >> In our group, probably. 00:20:20.466 --> 00:20:22.136 >> Because, get off the fence, you know what I mean? 00:20:22.136 --> 00:20:22.246 >> Yeah. 00:20:22.406 --> 00:20:22.906 >> Pick a side. 00:20:22.906 --> 00:20:24.636 Be there. You know what I mean? 00:20:24.636 --> 00:20:26.376 That's what it's all about. 00:20:26.376 --> 00:20:27.586 >> I didn't mean to insult you Nancy. 00:20:27.586 --> 00:20:28.216 I apologize. 00:20:28.216 --> 00:20:28.616 >> I understand. 00:20:29.276 --> 00:20:35.056 >> So if I told you I was Jewish, would that create a problem between us? 00:20:35.746 --> 00:20:38.296 >> Well because you've got the camera right now I'd allow you to stay. 00:20:38.296 --> 00:20:41.336 If not I'd probably kick your ass and put you in the street somewhere. 00:20:42.626 --> 00:20:43.056 >> For real? 00:20:43.596 --> 00:20:45.976 >> Pretty much, because a Jew wouldn't be here on my property. 00:20:47.336 --> 00:20:47.886 >> Are you Jewish? 00:20:47.886 --> 00:20:50.616 >> Do you mind if I don't answer that? 00:20:50.616 --> 00:20:54.316 >> [Laughs] [Inaudible] with the camera-- are you? 00:20:54.316 --> 00:20:54.626 [laughs] 00:20:54.626 --> 00:20:56.426 >> Classic. 00:20:56.676 --> 00:20:58.096 >> Is it my turn? 00:20:58.126 --> 00:20:59.376 >> That was so classic. 00:20:59.376 --> 00:21:00.856 >> That's not-- I'm not saying yes or no. 00:21:02.496 --> 00:21:03.776 >> So you're on the fence? 00:21:03.916 --> 00:21:04.226 [laughter] Right? 00:21:06.526 --> 00:21:08.316 You're on the fence. 00:21:08.316 --> 00:21:09.096 >> I tell you why. 00:21:09.096 --> 00:21:14.246 I'm not a racist and I don't-- I think it's-- I actually think it's wrong to be a racist. 00:21:14.666 --> 00:21:20.346 And so I feel as though by, you know by saying whether I'm Jewish or not I'm kind 00:21:20.896 --> 00:21:23.986 of in a way acknowledging the premise that it really matters 00:21:23.986 --> 00:21:24.976 when I think it shouldn't, and it doesn't. 00:21:25.516 --> 00:21:31.826 [ Background conversation ] 00:21:32.326 --> 00:21:35.176 >> I wasn't sure how long I'd be welcome at the house 00:21:35.486 --> 00:21:38.106 but I thought I'd enjoy it while it lasted. 00:21:38.406 --> 00:21:42.856 As the afternoon passed, I could almost have convinced myself that I was feeling relaxed, 00:21:43.646 --> 00:21:45.956 but something was still bothering Skip. 00:21:46.576 --> 00:21:47.616 >> How about that? 00:21:50.756 --> 00:21:52.526 Louis is a jew. NOTE Paragraph 00:21:52.526 --> 00:21:54.076 We already know it. I already know it. 00:21:54.086 --> 00:21:54.986 You're a Jew. 00:21:55.206 --> 00:21:56.836 That's why you've got so much animosity. 00:21:56.836 --> 00:21:57.286 >> Okay-- 00:21:57.466 --> 00:21:58.216 >> That's why you have so much-- 00:21:58.216 --> 00:22:01.106 >> We shouldn't say you don't look like a Jew. 00:22:01.106 --> 00:22:02.756 >> You're a Jew. 00:22:03.816 --> 00:22:05.296 You're part Jewish. 00:22:05.296 --> 00:22:09.376 >> And don't not say I'm not because you think somebody's going to beat you 00:22:09.376 --> 00:22:11.006 up because it's not like that with us. 00:22:11.006 --> 00:22:13.846 >> Why do you care how-- why will it make any difference to you whether I am or not? 00:22:13.846 --> 00:22:15.596 >> Because I like to know who's been in my house. 00:22:15.596 --> 00:22:17.966 >> We don't care as in the fact like-- we don't care if you're a Jew, a Christian, 00:22:17.966 --> 00:22:19.416 fucking spick Mexican, whatever, Nigger. 00:22:19.416 --> 00:22:21.146 >> [Inaudible] you have a big nose, you are kind of greasy. 00:22:21.146 --> 00:22:22.446 You do look kind of Jewish. 00:22:22.446 --> 00:22:24.456 You've got an accent like these lads. 00:22:24.456 --> 00:22:26.296 He's not Jewish, I'll tell you that right now. 00:22:26.296 --> 00:22:26.796 >> Look at his face. 00:22:26.796 --> 00:22:27.526 You know he's not Jewish. 00:22:27.526 --> 00:22:28.426 >> He's not Jewish. 00:22:28.426 --> 00:22:31.916 >> But you, frankly, we look at your face-- but we would like to know-- 00:22:31.916 --> 00:22:34.076 we want to know if you're a fucking Jew. 00:22:34.076 --> 00:22:39.776 And if we let you into our house to film our fucking everyday ritual, are you a fucking Jew? 00:22:39.776 --> 00:22:40.326 >> Even if you are-- 00:22:40.386 --> 00:22:43.516 >> I don't feel as though-- I mean, maybe you disagree, I don't I feel as though I've kind 00:22:43.516 --> 00:22:44.976 of compelled you to say anything. 00:22:44.976 --> 00:22:45.516 >> No you-- 00:22:45.516 --> 00:22:45.583 >> No. 00:22:45.583 --> 00:22:47.626 >> I feel as though I've been respectful and-- 00:22:47.626 --> 00:22:47.946 >> You have. 00:22:47.946 --> 00:22:49.206 >> I appreciate that you've let us into your house. 00:22:49.206 --> 00:22:51.946 >> I'm not even debating the fact that you've been respectful to my house and to my people. 00:22:52.016 --> 00:22:54.806 >> So and I don't think I would, honestly don't think I would interrogate you to the point 00:22:54.806 --> 00:22:56.326 where if you said I don't want to talk 00:22:56.326 --> 00:23:00.796 about that I would say okay that's fine, we'll talk about something else. 00:23:00.796 --> 00:23:02.536 So I'd like you to respect me in the same way. 00:23:02.536 --> 00:23:04.196 >> [Inaudible] can we turn the camera off for a second? 00:23:05.326 --> 00:23:05.766 >> Can we? 00:23:05.766 --> 00:23:06.546 >> Pull the plug? 00:23:06.546 --> 00:23:07.906 >> Pull the plug for a second? 00:23:08.506 --> 00:23:08.946 >> What for? 00:23:09.746 --> 00:23:10.956 >> Nothing crazy. 00:23:10.956 --> 00:23:12.156 [laughs] Don't get all fucking alarmed. 00:23:12.236 --> 00:23:13.276 >> No no no, I know it's fine. 00:23:13.426 --> 00:23:15.946 >> Just prefer to talk to not feel like we're being filmed about it. 00:23:15.946 --> 00:23:17.646 >> No I really, I would really rather not say. 00:23:17.646 --> 00:23:19.086 >> I would really rather you tell me. 00:23:19.906 --> 00:23:22.296 I've exposed myself. 00:23:22.296 --> 00:23:24.516 I've exposed my family. 00:23:24.556 --> 00:23:28.996 I've exposed my brothers, my sisters, and my children. 00:23:29.506 --> 00:23:31.636 Expose yourself now. 00:23:31.676 --> 00:23:35.886 >> I'll answer any-- I'll-- let's leave it at that. 00:23:35.886 --> 00:23:36.956 Can we please, Skip? 00:23:36.956 --> 00:23:41.096 >> We will in just a second. 00:23:42.356 --> 00:23:45.146 >> Let's go inside. 00:23:45.436 --> 00:23:47.206 Go inside. 00:23:50.686 --> 00:23:53.696 >> I thought it was time to leave. 00:23:55.016 --> 00:24:02.246 It was the day of the skinhead rally and I was back at Tom's. 00:24:03.036 --> 00:24:04.906 Nice to see you today. 00:24:04.986 --> 00:24:06.566 >> Good. You look nice. 00:24:06.566 --> 00:24:07.216 >> Thank you. 00:24:07.216 --> 00:24:07.606 So do you. 00:24:07.606 --> 00:24:11.266 >> Tom is I think getting the final objects together. 00:24:11.656 --> 00:24:12.696 Finish loading up the car. 00:24:13.376 --> 00:24:14.246 >> The final what together? 00:24:14.496 --> 00:24:15.076 >> Objects. 00:24:15.076 --> 00:24:15.556 >> Objects. 00:24:15.616 --> 00:24:16.486 >> Stuff to take. 00:24:16.486 --> 00:24:17.406 >> Are you in there Tom? 00:24:17.796 --> 00:24:20.516 >> Yo, yo, yo, are you ready to go to the hatenanny? 00:24:20.886 --> 00:24:20.953 Huh? 00:24:21.186 --> 00:24:23.506 >> Is that what they call it? 00:24:23.506 --> 00:24:24.546 >> The Hatenanny. 00:24:27.816 --> 00:24:31.266 >> With a certain amount of trepidation I was returning to Skip's place 00:24:31.586 --> 00:24:36.076 for an all day white power music event at which Tom would be the keynote speaker. 00:24:37.976 --> 00:24:42.746 I still hadn't seen Tom among fellow racists and I was curious how he would be received. 00:24:43.376 --> 00:24:44.286 >> Is this it in here? 00:24:44.576 --> 00:24:45.446 >> Second house on the left. 00:24:45.526 --> 00:24:46.536 Yeah this is it. 00:24:50.636 --> 00:24:51.286 >> Second house. 00:24:51.806 --> 00:24:51.926 Left. 00:24:55.226 --> 00:24:55.506 >> Hi. 00:24:55.796 --> 00:24:56.286 >> How are you doing? 00:24:56.766 --> 00:24:59.446 >> Tom Metzger for Tommy Romero. 00:24:59.446 --> 00:25:00.626 You got a walkie talkie? 00:25:00.626 --> 00:25:03.646 >> No, actually the dude that just had it walked off. 00:25:04.566 --> 00:25:05.316 >> Where do I park? 00:25:05.696 --> 00:25:09.026 >> You can just pull down the back. 00:25:11.126 --> 00:25:12.496 >> Okay. 00:25:12.496 --> 00:25:14.146 >> Hi Tom. 00:25:14.146 --> 00:25:17.006 >> Tom had told me he speaks at one or two rallies a year and that 00:25:17.006 --> 00:25:19.516 by skinhead standards, this was a major event. 00:25:21.316 --> 00:25:22.906 >> Hi. How are you doing? 00:25:22.906 --> 00:25:27.016 >> [Inaudible] do you want to take a picture of me, with me? 00:25:27.246 --> 00:25:27.536 >> Yeah, sure. 00:25:27.726 --> 00:25:28.886 >> [Inaudible] get a picture taken. 00:25:29.706 --> 00:25:30.226 >> Thank you. 00:25:30.586 --> 00:25:31.506 >> Okay. Who [inaudible]? 00:25:32.116 --> 00:25:35.996 >> I was hoping that Tom would be my guide through what promised to be, 00:25:36.056 --> 00:25:38.096 for me, a pretty strange experience. 00:25:38.236 --> 00:25:42.816 But with a public to meet, Tom no longer seemed to view me as a top priority. 00:25:43.226 --> 00:25:47.846 As a member of the supposedly Jewish run media, I suspected he found my presence 00:25:47.846 --> 00:25:49.806 in his entourage a little embarrassing. 00:25:49.806 --> 00:25:51.466 >> It was a good turnout huh? 00:25:51.686 --> 00:25:53.776 >> Yeah. 00:25:54.206 --> 00:25:54.296 >> [Inaudible] good. 00:25:55.416 --> 00:25:59.356 >> Any of you guys want to talk about Tom at all for the documentary? 00:25:59.356 --> 00:25:59.976 >> What's that? 00:25:59.976 --> 00:26:02.946 >> You want to, any of you guys want to talk about Tom for the documentary at all? 00:26:02.946 --> 00:26:03.846 >> I got to go back here. 00:26:04.146 --> 00:26:05.866 >> I don't talk to [inaudible]. 00:26:06.426 --> 00:26:12.126 >> I felt like the school kid no one wanted to be friends with. 00:26:12.126 --> 00:26:13.906 And then the next act came onstage. 00:26:14.516 --> 00:26:24.896 [ Singing ] 00:26:25.396 --> 00:26:27.976 >> This was the first time I saw the singing duo Lamb and Lynx. 00:26:28.516 --> 00:26:50.516 [ Singing ] 00:26:51.516 --> 00:26:57.566 [ Cheering ] 00:26:58.066 --> 00:27:02.376 >> Can you hear me out there? 00:27:02.576 --> 00:27:03.176 >> Yeah! 00:27:03.176 --> 00:27:03.426 >> There's Tom. 00:27:03.426 --> 00:27:05.016 >> Hello, it's good to be here among all of you racists. 00:27:05.016 --> 00:27:07.026 Now I'll start you out okay? 00:27:07.726 --> 00:27:08.556 Nigger nigger nigger! 00:27:08.556 --> 00:27:14.896 Out out out! 00:27:14.956 --> 00:27:15.776 Nigger nigger nigger! 00:27:16.066 --> 00:27:21.056 Out out out! 00:27:21.206 --> 00:27:22.886 This is revolution! 00:27:22.886 --> 00:27:23.616 Revolution! 00:27:23.846 --> 00:27:24.466 Revolution! 00:27:24.466 --> 00:27:25.866 Just keep your powder dry boys. 00:27:25.866 --> 00:27:26.756 Don't waste yourself. 00:27:26.756 --> 00:27:27.746 Don't jump too soon. 00:27:27.746 --> 00:27:28.156 Just wait. 00:27:28.156 --> 00:27:29.456 Wait until they come out. 00:27:29.456 --> 00:27:31.086 Let them get right out there. 00:27:31.636 --> 00:27:31.996 >> Oh yeah! 00:27:31.996 --> 00:27:35.036 >> Oh boy, I can hardly wait. 00:27:35.196 --> 00:27:39.246 I've always said I wouldn't leave California because this is going to be the start 00:27:39.246 --> 00:27:41.266 of the second American Civil War-- 00:27:41.266 --> 00:27:41.576 >> Yeah! [cheering] 00:27:41.576 --> 00:27:46.276 >> right here in California. 00:27:46.576 --> 00:27:48.596 White revolution! 00:27:50.976 --> 00:27:55.236 >> White revolution! 00:27:55.266 --> 00:27:55.656 >> White revolution! 00:27:55.686 --> 00:27:56.076 >> White revolution! 00:27:56.106 --> 00:27:56.496 >> White revolution! 00:27:56.526 --> 00:27:56.736 Thank you. 00:27:56.766 --> 00:27:56.976 Thank you. 00:27:57.516 --> 00:28:04.066 [ Dog barking ] 00:28:04.566 --> 00:28:05.166 >> Come on in. 00:28:05.416 --> 00:28:05.946 >> Thank you. 00:28:06.436 --> 00:28:08.796 >> I'm having my morning popsicles. 00:28:09.206 --> 00:28:11.436 Do you like popsicles? 00:28:11.436 --> 00:28:13.266 >> I do. How are you doing? 00:28:13.666 --> 00:28:16.186 >> I'm a little tired but I'm okay. 00:28:16.396 --> 00:28:19.396 >> Kind of morning after feeling? 00:28:19.676 --> 00:28:21.716 >> Yeah a little bit but I got in early. 00:28:22.026 --> 00:28:24.386 >> How late did you stay there? 00:28:25.536 --> 00:28:27.546 >> We left about nine I guess. 00:28:28.666 --> 00:28:29.976 Have a popsicle. 00:28:31.326 --> 00:28:32.736 Everybody needs a popsicle. 00:28:34.296 --> 00:28:35.116 >> Is Mary around? 00:28:35.506 --> 00:28:36.936 >> Mary fled the scene. 00:28:36.936 --> 00:28:39.796 She says I can't take it anymore. 00:28:39.796 --> 00:28:40.206 >> Did she? 00:28:40.206 --> 00:28:41.036 >> No she didn't. 00:28:41.476 --> 00:28:44.066 She had things to do, you know? 00:28:44.186 --> 00:28:46.956 I usually don't drag her around all over the country too much. 00:28:48.146 --> 00:28:49.496 >> Did she enjoy it? 00:28:49.656 --> 00:28:49.916 >> Yeah. 00:28:50.876 --> 00:28:53.106 >> Shall we go outside for a bit? 00:28:53.106 --> 00:28:54.136 It's very nice out. 00:28:54.856 --> 00:28:56.276 >> I have to put my shoes on. 00:28:56.486 --> 00:28:56.816 >> Do you? 00:28:56.886 --> 00:28:57.326 >> Um hum. 00:28:58.726 --> 00:29:00.526 >> What is it you like about the skinheads? 00:29:01.156 --> 00:29:04.086 >> I like about them because they're not hypocritical. 00:29:04.086 --> 00:29:05.026 They're out in the open. 00:29:05.026 --> 00:29:05.966 They are what they are. 00:29:05.966 --> 00:29:06.836 They love what they are. 00:29:06.836 --> 00:29:08.766 And they don't give a damn what anybody thinks. 00:29:09.176 --> 00:29:11.886 But they are strong racist, and we need them. 00:29:12.446 --> 00:29:14.306 >> Don't they turn off a lot of the public? 00:29:14.306 --> 00:29:18.416 >> A lot of the public doesn't mean a damn to us. 00:29:18.496 --> 00:29:21.486 Do you realize we're not trying to recruit the general public? 00:29:21.786 --> 00:29:24.076 What would we do with them if we had them? 00:29:24.236 --> 00:29:28.816 They sit on their ass watching television 20 hours a day. 00:29:29.036 --> 00:29:31.516 They're feeding their mouth full of crap. 00:29:31.706 --> 00:29:33.946 All they want to do is go out and buy, buy, buy. 00:29:33.946 --> 00:29:35.836 What good would they be to us? 00:29:35.936 --> 00:29:38.336 We're talking about revolutionary activity. 00:29:38.626 --> 00:29:43.056 We want the leaders out there in the public but not the public. 00:29:44.026 --> 00:29:47.556 We're trying to reach those people out there that really know what's cooking. 00:29:48.516 --> 00:29:53.556 [ Music ] 00:29:54.056 --> 00:29:58.606 >> I sensed Tom and I needed a break from each other and so I decided to drive 00:29:58.606 --> 00:30:03.326 up to central California to meet the two little girls I'd seen at the rally, Lamb and Lynx, 00:30:03.716 --> 00:30:04.966 and their manager and mother, April. 00:30:05.516 --> 00:30:26.576 [ Music ] 00:30:27.076 --> 00:30:27.796 >> Hello. 00:30:27.796 --> 00:30:27.946 >> Hello. 00:30:27.946 --> 00:30:29.256 >> You must be April? 00:30:29.336 --> 00:30:29.496 >> Yes. 00:30:29.966 --> 00:30:30.946 >> Nice to see you again. 00:30:31.936 --> 00:30:33.616 Remember we met at the rally. 00:30:33.696 --> 00:30:34.546 >> Yes, yes I did. 00:30:34.546 --> 00:30:35.436 >> Shall we come in? 00:30:35.436 --> 00:30:35.526 >> Yes. 00:30:35.526 --> 00:30:37.546 >> Which one's Lynx and which one's Lamb? 00:30:37.716 --> 00:30:38.176 >> I'm Lamb. 00:30:38.176 --> 00:30:38.926 >> Hi Lamb. 00:30:39.086 --> 00:30:41.636 >> And the one back there is Lynx. 00:30:41.636 --> 00:30:41.756 >> Hello. 00:30:41.756 --> 00:30:42.706 >> And I'm Louis. 00:30:43.076 --> 00:30:44.186 So very pleased to meet you. 00:30:44.296 --> 00:30:44.696 Nice to meet you. 00:30:44.696 --> 00:30:45.436 >> Remember him on Saturday? 00:30:45.436 --> 00:30:49.946 >> Maybe we can do a, sort of a recital later. 00:30:49.946 --> 00:30:50.506 Something like that. 00:30:50.706 --> 00:30:51.656 >> Yeah. Yeah I think that would be good. 00:30:51.656 --> 00:31:01.116 >> [Singing] I want to tell you about South Africa, and the so-called fight for freedom, 00:31:01.116 --> 00:31:05.066 the much praised black resistance, and the communists who lead them. 00:31:05.066 --> 00:31:11.266 Not too far away in Angola, or nearer home in Zimbabwe, 00:31:11.676 --> 00:31:18.926 the Marxist backed dictators are looking south in fear to see strikeforce, white survival, 00:31:18.926 --> 00:31:31.886 strikeforce, yeah, strikeforce, kill all rivals, strikeforce, into the devil's lair. 00:31:33.086 --> 00:31:36.596 >> Do they, they don't seem old enough to really know what that's about. 00:31:37.006 --> 00:31:38.306 >> Well I've explained to it some. 00:31:38.306 --> 00:31:38.916 What's the ANC? 00:31:38.986 --> 00:31:43.606 >> It's African National-- African National-- 00:31:44.646 --> 00:31:45.276 >> Congress. 00:31:45.276 --> 00:31:45.746 >> Congress. 00:31:46.336 --> 00:31:51.636 >> Okay. And what happened in South Africa? 00:31:52.126 --> 00:31:55.996 >> That the blacks are killing whites. 00:31:56.366 --> 00:31:57.066 >> Yeah. 00:31:58.586 --> 00:32:00.956 >> Out of their homes. 00:32:01.896 --> 00:32:03.756 >> Out of their homes. 00:32:03.756 --> 00:32:05.106 >> And in Zimbabwe. 00:32:05.106 --> 00:32:08.876 >> And in-- yeah in zabwe-- binzabwe-- 00:32:08.876 --> 00:32:09.516 >> Zimbabwe. 00:32:09.616 --> 00:32:14.876 >> I mean they seem a little young to get into politics and racial issues maybe. 00:32:14.876 --> 00:32:19.466 >> Yeah but they've got to start sometime. 00:32:20.756 --> 00:32:21.666 >> How old are they? 00:32:21.856 --> 00:32:22.436 >> They're 11. 00:32:22.796 --> 00:32:23.316 >> They're 11. 00:32:23.966 --> 00:32:29.286 What is the idea behind creating this group out of them that sings? 00:32:29.286 --> 00:32:32.126 >> I think that Lamb and Lynx's music and their appeal especially 00:32:32.126 --> 00:32:35.976 as they just get a little bit older, they're going to be an example and they're going 00:32:35.976 --> 00:32:42.966 to show being-- how being proud of your race is something that would be very appealing 00:32:43.036 --> 00:32:45.026 to young teenage girls, you know? 00:32:45.026 --> 00:32:50.086 I mean what young man-- red blooded American boy isn't going 00:32:50.086 --> 00:32:58.446 to find two blonde twins 16 years old singing about white pride and pride in your race-- who-- 00:32:58.736 --> 00:33:00.976 very few are not going to find that very appealing. 00:33:01.556 --> 00:33:06.926 >> So what-- I'm just curious about how-- what school do they go to? 00:33:06.926 --> 00:33:07.736 What school do you go to? 00:33:07.736 --> 00:33:08.226 >> We home school. 00:33:08.496 --> 00:33:09.016 >> We home school. 00:33:09.276 --> 00:33:10.046 >> You home school? 00:33:10.406 --> 00:33:11.406 So who teaches you? 00:33:11.566 --> 00:33:12.896 >> My mama. 00:33:14.796 --> 00:33:18.326 >> Mom. There you go. 00:33:18.326 --> 00:33:18.736 Okay. 00:33:18.736 --> 00:33:22.316 >> Okay who wants what? 00:33:22.446 --> 00:33:23.746 Bologna, ham, or salami? 00:33:23.746 --> 00:33:26.586 >> So where is the, is there a man of the house April? 00:33:26.956 --> 00:33:35.526 >> Yeah there's my fiancee and he declined to be shown on camera because of his occupation. 00:33:35.526 --> 00:33:41.986 He's worried he-- we have the same belief system and he's very supportive of everything 00:33:42.316 --> 00:33:45.996 but he actually, he'd love to appear but he worries 00:33:45.996 --> 00:33:49.026 that it would cause him to lose his job and it would-- 00:33:49.386 --> 00:33:50.136 >> What does he do? 00:33:50.266 --> 00:33:52.476 >> He's an educator. 00:33:54.046 --> 00:33:58.046 Would you like tomato with it too? 00:33:58.526 --> 00:34:00.916 >> Are there things that they're forbidden that other kids have? 00:34:01.786 --> 00:34:02.976 Things that you deny them? 00:34:03.976 --> 00:34:04.776 >> Gameboys. 00:34:04.776 --> 00:34:05.136 We don't-- 00:34:05.526 --> 00:34:09.676 >> Yeah I don't-- I'm not much for the Nintendo, computer game stuff. 00:34:09.676 --> 00:34:10.056 I'm not-- 00:34:10.056 --> 00:34:11.246 >> People get so caught up. 00:34:11.326 --> 00:34:13.596 >> What about on racial terms though? 00:34:13.596 --> 00:34:16.386 >> Oh we've got Ethnic Cleansing but that's-- we don't play that very often. 00:34:16.386 --> 00:34:16.706 >> What's that? 00:34:16.706 --> 00:34:18.406 Is that a-- what's that? 00:34:18.406 --> 00:34:21.755 >> That's a computer game that the National Alliance puts out called eth- it's called 00:34:21.755 --> 00:34:26.196 "Ethnic Cleansing" and it's basically a shoot 'em up computer game 00:34:26.876 --> 00:34:32.815 in which basically a skinhead goes through a ghetto and shoots blacks and Mexicans. 00:34:33.146 --> 00:34:33.716 >> Do you like it? 00:34:33.815 --> 00:34:34.456 >> Um hum. 00:34:34.456 --> 00:34:41.286 It's really hard though because of course all the people that you shoot have guns too. 00:34:41.376 --> 00:34:43.396 >> And they're shooting back at you. 00:34:43.396 --> 00:34:48.656 >> They hide in bushes and stuff and they-- like they're like perched up on basketball hoops 00:34:48.656 --> 00:34:50.636 and stuff and they're climbing in trees and stuff. 00:34:50.746 --> 00:34:53.696 So you've got to watch out and then when you hear this gorilla sound-- 00:34:53.696 --> 00:34:55.956 they make gorilla sounds-- it goes ooh ooh ooh like that. 00:34:55.956 --> 00:34:58.416 And then you go, we don't like that, and then you shoot it. 00:34:59.026 --> 00:35:02.106 >> Is that a good idea do you think, April? 00:35:02.106 --> 00:35:03.136 >> Um hum. 00:35:04.016 --> 00:35:05.446 >> It seems a little-- 00:35:05.706 --> 00:35:05.996 >> Vulgar? 00:35:05.996 --> 00:35:10.096 >> Okay. [laughs] After lunch, Lamb and Lynx were keen 00:35:10.096 --> 00:35:12.786 to show me their horses stabled a short drive away. 00:35:13.266 --> 00:35:15.316 >> See there is one of the kids. 00:35:15.316 --> 00:35:16.696 >> Do you ever-- there's a school bus-- 00:35:16.696 --> 00:35:19.246 do you ever wish you went to school with the other kids? 00:35:19.556 --> 00:35:19.826 >> Sometimes. 00:35:20.086 --> 00:35:20.726 >> Sometimes. 00:35:20.806 --> 00:35:21.626 >> Um hum. 00:35:21.666 --> 00:35:27.146 >> But then I think that I won't be able to go with my horses. 00:35:27.296 --> 00:35:27.396 >> Yeah. 00:35:27.706 --> 00:35:33.656 >> And that we wouldn't be able to see our mom as much. 00:35:33.656 --> 00:35:35.946 And so [inaudible]. 00:35:36.006 --> 00:35:39.126 >> What did you say Lamb, you wouldn't be able to go with your horse did you say? 00:35:39.216 --> 00:35:39.366 >> Yes. 00:35:39.716 --> 00:35:39.996 >> Why? 00:35:40.466 --> 00:35:41.866 >> Play with my horse. 00:35:42.066 --> 00:35:44.416 Well, I would in the evenings. 00:35:44.476 --> 00:35:46.096 >> She's really attached to her horses. 00:35:46.096 --> 00:35:46.163 [Inaudible]. 00:35:46.163 --> 00:35:46.230 >> Yeah. 00:35:46.230 --> 00:35:50.826 >> Oh is that the skinhead army thingy? 00:35:51.326 --> 00:35:52.996 >> Who's it by? 00:35:53.256 --> 00:35:57.606 >> It's Max Resist but I don't think-- I think it's a cover by somebody else. 00:35:57.606 --> 00:35:58.996 I think somebody else like Landser. 00:35:58.996 --> 00:36:02.386 >> -- dedicated to all white nationalists all around the world. 00:36:02.776 --> 00:36:04.976 United we will win. 00:36:05.516 --> 00:36:22.546 [ Music ] 00:36:23.046 --> 00:36:25.666 >> [Singing] They call me Nazi and I am proud about. 00:36:25.666 --> 00:36:28.196 They call me racist and I shout it out loud. 00:36:28.196 --> 00:36:30.636 Proud of my race and proud of my land. 00:36:30.636 --> 00:36:32.736 White brothers and sisters come raise your hand. 00:36:32.736 --> 00:36:38.096 We are an 88 Rock 'n' Roll band, we are an 88 Rock 'n' Roll band, 00:36:38.096 --> 00:36:42.706 we are an 88 Rock 'n' Roll band, playing and fighting for race and land. 00:36:44.186 --> 00:36:47.116 We are marching on the streets at night. 00:36:47.116 --> 00:36:49.406 Boots and braces we are ready to fight. 00:36:49.406 --> 00:36:53.556 Out gook out, run nigga run, we're aryans [inaudible]. 00:36:53.846 --> 00:36:59.416 We are an 88 Rock 'n' Roll band, playing and fighting for race and land. NOTE Paragraph 00:37:03.656 --> 00:37:08.546 >> If anybody asks out here what we've got a ca- why we've got a cameraman following us around-- NOTE Paragraph 00:37:08.546 --> 00:37:09.366 >> Yeah. 00:37:09.366 --> 00:37:13.666 >> I guess we'll just say that you're interviewing us about the kids' music. 00:37:13.666 --> 00:37:15.336 >> Why is that? 00:37:17.226 --> 00:37:22.636 >> I just don't want somebody messing with my horses because, you know, and hurting my horses 00:37:22.636 --> 00:37:25.246 because of my politics, you know? 00:37:25.246 --> 00:37:29.126 I mean I don't know what they're going to do out here. 00:37:29.126 --> 00:37:31.156 >> Do you have to lead a double life to some extent? 00:37:31.156 --> 00:37:33.876 >> I've never really had to before because, you know, 00:37:33.876 --> 00:37:36.346 I've never been in the situation that I'm in now. 00:37:36.346 --> 00:37:40.786 It's really hard for me to be covert though because I'm just so-- 00:37:40.786 --> 00:37:44.406 it's just like so much, it's like in every pore, you know? 00:37:44.406 --> 00:37:46.326 >> I've noticed. 00:37:48.286 --> 00:37:49.886 Can I help? 00:37:49.886 --> 00:37:52.276 Can I take the rag and do a bit? 00:37:52.276 --> 00:37:54.666 >> Yeah if you want to. >> What do I do? 00:37:54.666 --> 00:37:56.436 >> I don't know, you can wipe them down if you want or-- 00:37:56.436 --> 00:37:57.336 >> Is this just water? 00:37:57.336 --> 00:37:58.976 >> Yeah it's just water on there right now. 00:37:58.976 --> 00:38:00.766 I was just cleaning their nostrils. 00:38:01.566 --> 00:38:02.826 >> Oh cleaning their nostrils. 00:38:02.826 --> 00:38:07.306 [horses whinnying] Are they talking to each other? 00:38:07.306 --> 00:38:09.076 >> Give her-- we can give him a brush. 00:38:09.076 --> 00:38:11.446 Hey girls, why don't you give him a brush? 00:38:17.626 --> 00:38:21.866 >> Would you have a problem if Lynx or Lamb brought home a friend of another race? 00:38:23.496 --> 00:38:26.246 >> Yeah I probably wouldn't be real happy about it. 00:38:26.246 --> 00:38:27.866 >> What would you do? 00:38:29.326 --> 00:38:31.196 >> I would probably tell them not to. 00:38:31.196 --> 00:38:36.986 I would probably tell them, you know, if that's what you're going to do, don't bring them home. 00:38:36.986 --> 00:38:38.756 See because this is the way I would see it. 00:38:38.756 --> 00:38:41.066 I would see it first it's the friend. 00:38:41.066 --> 00:38:44.406 It's okay to have the nice black friend. 00:38:44.406 --> 00:38:46.976 And then the next thing it's going to be the nice black boyfriend. 00:38:47.346 --> 00:38:48.396 >> And you'd have a problem with that? 00:38:49.286 --> 00:38:50.656 >> I would never speak to them again. 00:38:51.546 --> 00:38:52.196 That would be it. 00:38:52.996 --> 00:38:59.836 If they were race traitors then they wouldn't-- I-- that absolutely would be-- 00:38:59.906 --> 00:39:02.646 I wouldn't want to have anything to do with them ever again and I've told them that. 00:39:03.626 --> 00:39:05.166 I consider it-- because this the way I see it-- 00:39:05.166 --> 00:39:08.806 >> That's easy to say but you know the maternal instinct's got to be one 00:39:08.806 --> 00:39:10.786 of the strongest instincts in human beings. 00:39:11.086 --> 00:39:11.396 >> Um hum. 00:39:11.616 --> 00:39:13.936 >> You're saying you would completely go against that? 00:39:14.436 --> 00:39:19.616 Have no contact with your child? 00:39:20.316 --> 00:39:22.596 >> I would be so disappointed. 00:39:22.596 --> 00:39:25.136 I would just be so disappointed. 00:39:29.416 --> 00:39:31.066 >> Come on. 00:39:31.066 --> 00:39:32.646 Come on Becky. 00:39:32.646 --> 00:39:40.616 [ Music ] 00:39:41.116 --> 00:39:45.116 >> I couldn't quite believe the almost reckless intensity of April's racism. 00:39:45.366 --> 00:39:47.826 She seemed to revel in how outrageous her beliefs were. 00:39:47.826 --> 00:39:51.576 I wondered how Lynx and Lamb would grow up and how they would feel 00:39:51.576 --> 00:39:54.976 about their mother once they'd left home and were able to think for themselves. 00:39:55.516 --> 00:40:03.746 [ Music ] 00:40:04.246 --> 00:40:06.806 >> Later that day we headed off to meet April's father. 00:40:07.396 --> 00:40:11.296 I'd heard he was also a proud racist and I was hoping he might help me 00:40:11.296 --> 00:40:12.976 to understand how April came by her beliefs. 00:40:13.516 --> 00:40:20.676 [ Music ] 00:40:21.176 --> 00:40:22.346 >> How do you do? 00:40:22.906 --> 00:40:23.526 >> Hello. 00:40:23.526 --> 00:40:24.626 >> Louis Theroux, BBC. 00:40:25.686 --> 00:40:26.336 Nice to meet you. 00:40:27.176 --> 00:40:28.216 You must be April's father? 00:40:28.436 --> 00:40:28.976 >> Yeah. 00:40:28.976 --> 00:40:30.146 >> This is my dad Bill Gaede. 00:40:30.916 --> 00:40:31.546 >> Bill Gaede. 00:40:32.076 --> 00:40:32.576 >> Yeah. 00:40:32.876 --> 00:40:35.766 >> Can we, I noticed you had a, can we look at your cattle brand? 00:40:35.766 --> 00:40:39.476 Is the ranch logo-- I'm not sure what the right expression is. 00:40:40.246 --> 00:40:41.476 >> It's the cattle brand. 00:40:44.736 --> 00:40:51.366 >> How do you view April's beliefs as far as preserving the white race and? 00:40:51.636 --> 00:40:53.986 >> I think it's great. Yeah I think you ought to preserve it. 00:40:53.986 --> 00:40:55.306 Certainly you should. 00:40:56.936 --> 00:40:57.626 You know-- 00:40:57.626 --> 00:40:57.986 >> Does it-- 00:40:57.986 --> 00:41:00.736 >> our family were Vikings in Denmark in the 12th century. 00:41:00.736 --> 00:41:01.786 Why not preserve it? 00:41:02.066 --> 00:41:05.876 >> It seems to me it'll-- it's going to preserve itself just fine and there's no need 00:41:05.876 --> 00:41:10.866 for any radical action as far as laws or campaigning. 00:41:10.866 --> 00:41:12.186 >> You're sitting under a manhole cover. 00:41:13.406 --> 00:41:14.456 You can't see anything. 00:41:15.046 --> 00:41:15.866 >> Why? Why is that? 00:41:15.866 --> 00:41:17.456 >> You just can't see it because you're not here. 00:41:18.216 --> 00:41:19.586 You can't see what's going on. 00:41:21.606 --> 00:41:26.006 Right now all the people have been so politically correct they wouldn't say shit 00:41:26.006 --> 00:41:28.536 if they had a mouthful of it, you know? 00:41:29.236 --> 00:41:33.456 But now the people are beginning to see what's going on and they're beginning to-- 00:41:33.456 --> 00:41:36.536 their backbone's beginning to straighten up a little bit and get a little stiffer. 00:41:37.726 --> 00:41:38.556 All the white people are. 00:41:38.556 --> 00:41:40.346 >> I'm a multiculturalist. 00:41:40.546 --> 00:41:41.646 >> Are you? >>Yeah 00:41:42.256 --> 00:41:47.656 >> When you get married are you going to marry a white person or a nigger? 00:41:47.816 --> 00:41:48.586 Huh? 00:41:49.366 --> 00:41:50.936 >> What do you usually date? 00:41:51.406 --> 00:41:58.156 Do you usually date white women? 00:41:58.156 --> 00:41:59.256 >> So far. 00:41:59.676 --> 00:42:02.406 >> That's what you find attractive. 00:42:02.406 --> 00:42:03.606 >> Does Jewish count as white? 00:42:04.356 --> 00:42:04.506 >> No. 00:42:04.506 --> 00:42:05.596 >> No, not in our books. 00:42:06.066 --> 00:42:07.346 >> Why not? 00:42:07.356 --> 00:42:12.176 >> [Laughs] I think we could hope that he marries some Jewess. 00:42:12.176 --> 00:42:14.216 I mean won't that be funny. 00:42:14.216 --> 00:42:16.306 >> A JAP. You know what a JAP is? 00:42:16.306 --> 00:42:17.596 >> Yeah a Jewish American Princess. 00:42:17.596 --> 00:42:18.466 I hope-- boy you're going to be-- 00:42:18.466 --> 00:42:20.706 >> [Inaudible] marry a JAP, a Jewish American Princess. 00:42:20.706 --> 00:42:22.116 she's going to have you right there. 00:42:22.116 --> 00:42:22.976 >> Twisted right down. 00:42:23.256 --> 00:42:23.616 >> Um hum. 00:42:23.666 --> 00:42:24.196 >> What's your name? 00:42:24.196 --> 00:42:24.606 >> Louis. 00:42:24.896 --> 00:42:26.176 >> [High voice] Louis! 00:42:26.176 --> 00:42:29.326 Louis, I want a new ring, Louis! 00:42:29.336 --> 00:42:32.486 Bring me my coffee-- tea Louis. 00:42:32.656 --> 00:42:35.296 Come and flush the toilet for me Louis. 00:42:35.296 --> 00:42:36.496 I can't push the handle down. 00:42:36.496 --> 00:42:36.986 [laughs] 00:42:38.306 --> 00:42:40.656 >> So is that where you get it from do you think, April? 00:42:40.656 --> 00:42:43.606 >> The biggest gift that I got from my father was 00:42:43.606 --> 00:42:47.236 to not give a rip about what anybody else thought. 00:42:47.236 --> 00:42:48.466 It's what you thought. 00:42:48.466 --> 00:42:51.926 It's what you really knew in your heart was the right thing to do. 00:42:51.926 --> 00:42:55.226 It didn't matter if every single person was against you. 00:42:55.226 --> 00:42:59.886 If you know what you believe is right, then you have-- and you can have the strength to just, 00:42:59.886 --> 00:43:02.506 to fight against everybody and to stand strong against everyone. 00:43:02.506 --> 00:43:05.816 And I believe that I inherited that. 00:43:05.816 --> 00:43:09.536 I think in the genes and then I was taught that also. 00:43:09.536 --> 00:43:13.496 And I think-- and I owe my dad a lot for giving me that. 00:43:13.496 --> 00:43:15.456 That was a gift. 00:43:15.466 --> 00:43:45.796 [ Music ] 00:43:46.296 --> 00:43:48.436 >> Back in Fallbrook and I had a date with Tom. 00:43:48.956 --> 00:43:52.486 There was a plan in place to meet another of his daughters, this one named Lynn. 00:43:53.056 --> 00:43:54.706 But before that, a barbecue. 00:43:57.636 --> 00:43:59.986 [doorbell rings] Good afternoon. 00:43:59.986 --> 00:44:01.486 >> Louis, Louis, Louis! 00:44:01.486 --> 00:44:02.366 You feel at home? 00:44:02.586 --> 00:44:03.136 >> Very much so. 00:44:03.136 --> 00:44:04.876 Look at you, you're wearing a bowler hat. 00:44:04.876 --> 00:44:06.096 >> Yeah. How do you like that? 00:44:06.096 --> 00:44:06.936 Do you feel at home? 00:44:06.936 --> 00:44:07.186 >> It's good. 00:44:07.186 --> 00:44:07.316 [laughs] 00:44:07.316 --> 00:44:08.006 >> Come on in. 00:44:08.146 --> 00:44:08.616 >> It's good. 00:44:08.616 --> 00:44:09.596 Is that in honor of me? 00:44:09.836 --> 00:44:10.686 >> Yeah. Right. 00:44:11.296 --> 00:44:12.606 >> Little bottle of something-- 00:44:12.606 --> 00:44:13.266 >> Oh you brought something. 00:44:13.266 --> 00:44:15.186 You should've brought two or three but that's all right. 00:44:15.186 --> 00:44:17.516 >> That's all right, I've got one more in the car if we run low. 00:44:18.536 --> 00:44:20.566 So the plan is to have a barbecue, is that right? 00:44:20.766 --> 00:44:20.836 >> Yeah. 00:44:20.836 --> 00:44:20.956 >> Yeah. 00:44:21.326 --> 00:44:23.786 >> And we're going to just keep it real simple and real easy. 00:44:24.136 --> 00:44:25.696 >> Yeah. That's how I like it. 00:44:25.696 --> 00:44:26.936 Hi John, how are you doing? 00:44:26.936 --> 00:44:28.776 >> Fine. Mary, good to see you again, dear. 00:44:28.776 --> 00:44:31.036 >> Um hum. 00:44:31.036 --> 00:44:31.896 >> Good to see you, John. 00:44:31.896 --> 00:44:33.976 >> And you-- oh the camera's on. 00:44:33.976 --> 00:44:35.936 Hey I brought something for Louis. 00:44:36.146 --> 00:44:37.116 Back, Louis! 00:44:37.616 --> 00:44:39.016 Back! Back, Louis, back! 00:44:40.306 --> 00:44:40.726 >> John. [laughs] 00:44:40.996 --> 00:44:44.276 >> What does it mean? 00:44:44.736 --> 00:44:48.786 >> This cross came from the movie "Scream, Dracula, Scream". 00:44:48.916 --> 00:44:51.206 >> Oh I definitely saw that one. 00:44:51.616 --> 00:44:53.306 >> Right, so it's a prop. 00:44:53.406 --> 00:44:55.496 >> You haven't met Laurie before, John? 00:44:55.576 --> 00:44:56.026 >> No. 00:44:56.086 --> 00:44:59.656 >> Well no, they've kept me in a cage whenever she's around, so. 00:44:59.656 --> 00:45:03.616 >> I got to watch him when it comes to young girls. 00:45:03.616 --> 00:45:03.866 [laughs] 00:45:03.866 --> 00:45:04.436 >> That's right. 00:45:04.506 --> 00:45:07.166 No I've heard that John prefers Mexican women. 00:45:08.196 --> 00:45:11.426 >> Now what-- where is that cross again? 00:45:11.556 --> 00:45:12.746 [laughs] Back, Louis, back! 00:45:12.746 --> 00:45:13.666 >> [Inaudible] we talk about that? 00:45:13.666 --> 00:45:16.636 >> It didn't work in the movie so, sorry. 00:45:16.636 --> 00:45:16.826 >> Yeah. 00:45:27.026 --> 00:45:29.696 >> I got those pork especially for you to check you out. 00:45:30.176 --> 00:45:30.886 >> They're turkey. 00:45:31.576 --> 00:45:33.896 >> [Laughs] He read the label. 00:45:35.206 --> 00:45:37.116 I told Mary I was going to do that. 00:45:42.006 --> 00:45:43.086 >> Do you care if I'm Jewish? 00:45:44.766 --> 00:45:45.776 >> Not for this, no. 00:45:47.646 --> 00:45:48.726 >> What about for something else? 00:45:48.726 --> 00:45:49.666 >> You're doing your job. 00:45:52.356 --> 00:45:53.256 That's the way it goes. 00:45:53.486 --> 00:45:55.076 Sometimes there's neutral territory. 00:45:55.076 --> 00:45:57.906 >> I wonder if you could give me a hand. 00:45:59.666 --> 00:46:01.416 I don't really know what I'm doing. 00:46:02.026 --> 00:46:03.806 >> Well you said you wanted to help cook. 00:46:03.806 --> 00:46:04.206 >> Yeah. 00:46:05.266 --> 00:46:06.476 >> Well we got to turn down the-- 00:46:06.966 --> 00:46:08.676 >> That is a little-- that's on too hot isn't it? 00:46:08.676 --> 00:46:09.386 >> It's too hot. 00:46:12.056 --> 00:46:13.276 >> Should we invite the neighbors over? 00:46:15.286 --> 00:46:16.546 >> I think the neighbors went to TJ. 00:46:16.546 --> 00:46:16.746 The me- 00:46:16.746 --> 00:46:19.736 >> Who have you got on that side? 00:46:20.346 --> 00:46:21.946 >> Well that's a white guy. 00:46:21.946 --> 00:46:23.896 He's married to a Mexican gal. 00:46:25.036 --> 00:46:28.326 She's an American type Mexican and they got a couple of kids. 00:46:28.926 --> 00:46:29.826 >> Do you get on okay with them? 00:46:29.826 --> 00:46:30.886 >> Yeah we get along okay. 00:46:31.066 --> 00:46:32.026 >> Is she a-- she's white? 00:46:32.506 --> 00:46:33.446 >> No she's not white. 00:46:34.106 --> 00:46:34.926 But she's friendly. 00:46:34.926 --> 00:46:35.806 We don't have a problem. 00:46:37.816 --> 00:46:40.256 >> I hope you like your hot dogs well done. 00:46:40.256 --> 00:46:42.726 >> I think that's about well done enough, man. 00:46:43.656 --> 00:46:46.206 Man, you have screwed my hot dog up. 00:46:46.356 --> 00:46:48.336 >> [Laughs] I think it's a polish sausage. 00:46:48.546 --> 00:46:49.766 >> Let me get that-- 00:46:49.896 --> 00:46:51.196 >> Do you want me to put another one on? 00:46:51.196 --> 00:46:52.906 >> No, no that's not-- that's okay. 00:46:52.906 --> 00:46:53.606 That's edible. 00:46:55.986 --> 00:47:02.266 >> Then it was off to see Tom's daughter Lynn and her daughter Valerie, 00:47:02.576 --> 00:47:04.526 who like Lamb and Lynx, is 11 years old. 00:47:05.046 --> 00:47:11.406 I'd heard Lynn was the most racist of Tom's five daughters so I was curious to meet her. 00:47:11.636 --> 00:47:12.736 >> Maybe the wrong place. 00:47:13.156 --> 00:47:13.246 [Inaudible] here. 00:47:13.596 --> 00:47:15.756 I got the wrong place. 00:47:17.076 --> 00:47:17.516 Hey! 00:47:17.516 --> 00:47:18.296 >> Hey dad! 00:47:18.386 --> 00:47:20.406 >> We saw you guys walking by. 00:47:20.406 --> 00:47:21.716 I'm like where are you going? 00:47:21.716 --> 00:47:22.476 >> Well you know me. 00:47:22.476 --> 00:47:22.826 I get-- 00:47:22.986 --> 00:47:23.776 >> I know, I know. 00:47:23.776 --> 00:47:24.966 >> I forget. 00:47:25.116 --> 00:47:26.566 Bunch of communist places. 00:47:26.566 --> 00:47:27.426 They all look alike. 00:47:27.426 --> 00:47:27.906 >> They all do. 00:47:27.906 --> 00:47:28.326 >> Hello. 00:47:28.866 --> 00:47:29.846 >> Hello. Simon? 00:47:30.076 --> 00:47:30.226 >> Louis. 00:47:30.316 --> 00:47:30.826 >> Louis. 00:47:30.826 --> 00:47:31.166 >> Louis. 00:47:31.166 --> 00:47:32.186 >> This is Louis. 00:47:32.186 --> 00:47:33.306 >> Very nice to meet you. 00:47:33.306 --> 00:47:34.116 >> Nice to meet you too. 00:47:34.116 --> 00:47:34.276 >> Louis. 00:47:34.276 --> 00:47:35.836 >> This is Valerie, my daughter. 00:47:35.836 --> 00:47:36.326 >> Nice to meet you. 00:47:36.326 --> 00:47:37.096 How do you do? 00:47:37.096 --> 00:47:38.096 >> Louis's the star. 00:47:38.536 --> 00:47:39.396 >> The star, huh? 00:47:39.396 --> 00:47:40.056 >> Don't forget it. 00:47:40.056 --> 00:47:40.236 >> Yeah. 00:47:40.236 --> 00:47:41.706 >> Okay. [laughs] We won't. 00:47:41.756 --> 00:47:43.426 Come on in. 00:47:43.426 --> 00:47:45.836 >> Tom said you used to run the Aryan Women's League? 00:47:46.126 --> 00:47:48.036 >> I did. I did. 00:47:48.386 --> 00:47:50.606 In fact, it was running for about-- 00:47:51.226 --> 00:47:52.196 >> Thank you. 00:47:52.196 --> 00:47:53.326 >> I guess five, six years. 00:47:54.456 --> 00:47:58.816 And we decided to merge with WAR because we were doing the same thing. 00:47:59.566 --> 00:48:00.946 >> WAR is Tom's organization? 00:48:00.946 --> 00:48:01.646 >> Exactly. 00:48:01.646 --> 00:48:02.246 Exactly. 00:48:02.696 --> 00:48:06.286 >> Basically do you share, do you have the same kind of racial views that Tom does? 00:48:06.586 --> 00:48:10.016 >> I do. I don't-- I'm not one of these labels-- 00:48:10.296 --> 00:48:10.516 >> Yeah. 00:48:10.516 --> 00:48:11.056 >> type of people. 00:48:11.136 --> 00:48:11.916 Nazi. Left. 00:48:12.166 --> 00:48:13.036 Right. Democrat. 00:48:13.036 --> 00:48:13.846 Republican. 00:48:13.846 --> 00:48:14.876 You know? Pacifist. 00:48:15.016 --> 00:48:16.836 Whatever. I don't like that. 00:48:17.056 --> 00:48:17.176 >> Okay. 00:48:17.176 --> 00:48:21.336 >> I do have a strong sense of racial identity. 00:48:21.696 --> 00:48:21.846 >> Yeah. 00:48:22.506 --> 00:48:26.036 >> Strong sense of nature, believing in nature, etcetera. 00:48:26.296 --> 00:48:29.066 And, but I don't like the labels. 00:48:29.306 --> 00:48:32.146 I don't even like to hear them because they really don't mean anything. 00:48:32.386 --> 00:48:37.056 >> Are you comfortable just-- are you comfortable sieg heiling for example? 00:48:37.386 --> 00:48:38.316 >> I'm comfortable with it. 00:48:38.446 --> 00:48:38.686 >> Yeah. 00:48:39.766 --> 00:48:41.326 >> It's not something I do often. 00:48:41.326 --> 00:48:46.116 In fact last night I did and that was probably the first time in a long time. 00:48:47.166 --> 00:48:50.026 >> What's Valerie's posi- I mean is Valerie comfortable on camera 00:48:50.026 --> 00:48:51.896 or is she going to sort of hang back? 00:48:51.966 --> 00:48:55.056 >> I asked her and she said in the background would be fine. 00:48:55.056 --> 00:48:55.186 >> Yeah. 00:48:55.186 --> 00:48:56.976 >> I don't have a problem-- not talking to her. 00:48:56.976 --> 00:48:57.186 >> Okay. 00:48:57.586 --> 00:48:58.466 >> She's 11 years old. 00:48:58.466 --> 00:49:00.986 She's kind of big for her age but she's-- 00:49:01.266 --> 00:49:01.336 >> Yeah. 00:49:01.336 --> 00:49:03.066 >> you know, she's a really good kid. 00:49:03.546 --> 00:49:07.476 >> Are you, I mean are you bringing her up as a racist? 00:49:09.176 --> 00:49:10.486 >> Bringing her up as a racist? 00:49:10.486 --> 00:49:14.616 I'm bringing her up very aware of her heritage. 00:49:14.616 --> 00:49:17.476 Very aware of what's going on. 00:49:17.746 --> 00:49:24.906 I have often told her I have opinions, I have beliefs, and just like my dad did 00:49:24.906 --> 00:49:28.426 when I was a kid, I told her that she needs to explore. 00:49:28.426 --> 00:49:32.456 She needs to know what's out there and she can't just take what I say. 00:49:33.446 --> 00:49:36.726 >> Would she be-- would you be happy for her to bring children-- 00:49:36.786 --> 00:49:39.056 friends of other races back to the house? 00:49:39.056 --> 00:49:41.876 >> No. I wouldn't be happy. 00:49:41.876 --> 00:49:42.826 I mean honestly. 00:49:43.326 --> 00:49:51.916 I mean she's going to-- you know what I believe is she's going to, you know, learn from me 00:49:51.916 --> 00:49:58.326 and my actions and my words and my thoughts when I put them into actions. 00:49:58.716 --> 00:50:00.596 So we'll just see what happens. 00:50:07.856 --> 00:50:12.256 >> I was nearing the end of my time with Tom and for some days John had been talking 00:50:12.256 --> 00:50:14.776 about the idea of going to Mexico. 00:50:14.776 --> 00:50:19.056 His exact purpose was unclear, but for me I thought it might be a chance to see Tom 00:50:19.056 --> 00:50:21.826 in a different environment, and so I thought I'd tag along. 00:50:21.826 --> 00:50:26.556 [ Dog barking ] 00:50:27.056 --> 00:50:28.506 >> Louis! [laughs] 00:50:28.506 --> 00:50:30.056 >> Hey John, how are you doing? 00:50:30.056 --> 00:50:31.366 >> You're going to love it. 00:50:31.366 --> 00:50:32.636 Let's get ready to go. 00:50:32.646 --> 00:50:34.946 >> Where's Tom? >> He's waiting for us. 00:50:34.946 --> 00:50:36.496 >> Where? >>At his house. 00:50:36.496 --> 00:50:37.246 >> Oh great, so let's go. 00:50:37.246 --> 00:50:38.276 >> Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:50:38.276 --> 00:50:39.716 Let me get it going. 00:50:39.726 --> 00:50:41.066 I've got it all prepared. 00:50:41.576 --> 00:50:45.406 I've got-- now Louis, what do you think? 00:50:45.406 --> 00:50:47.466 Am I going to be too warm today dressed like this? 00:50:47.466 --> 00:50:52.766 I look like a tourist which is what I want to look like instead of like the slick guy like you 00:50:52.766 --> 00:50:54.436 that I should be looking like, you know? 00:50:56.976 --> 00:50:59.936 >> And why are we interested in seeing Tom in Mexico? 00:51:00.236 --> 00:51:02.996 >> You're going to love seeing Tom in Mexico. 00:51:03.126 --> 00:51:04.156 >> Why? 00:51:04.856 --> 00:51:08.186 >> Well, you're going to see what an international politician does. 00:51:08.186 --> 00:51:11.126 Now these are my little medicines here for myself. 00:51:11.126 --> 00:51:14.556 >> And he's a racist politician so I suppose it's interesting to see him among-- 00:51:14.556 --> 00:51:16.336 >> In a racist country. 00:51:16.336 --> 00:51:18.936 They will respect him like-- oh they're racist down there. 00:51:18.936 --> 00:51:21.276 You didn't know that? 00:51:21.276 --> 00:51:23.846 [laughs] Follow me. 00:51:23.876 --> 00:51:25.306 >> Hey Louis. 00:51:25.306 --> 00:51:27.596 >> He's afraid of getting kidnapped. >> No he isn't. 00:51:27.596 --> 00:51:28.916 >> [Laughs] Yes he is. 00:51:28.916 --> 00:51:32.006 Every time he goes to Mexico they try to kidnap him. 00:51:32.156 --> 00:51:33.746 >> So we'll be in your car? 00:51:33.756 --> 00:51:35.486 >> No, we'll be in your car. 00:51:36.836 --> 00:51:39.236 >> So what is the plan when we get there? 00:51:39.236 --> 00:51:41.196 >> Why don't you tell him the truth? 00:51:41.196 --> 00:51:44.046 You just want to get to that whore down there. 00:51:44.046 --> 00:51:45.996 That's what you're really saying. 00:51:47.156 --> 00:51:51.686 >> I wouldn't refer to a lovely lady like that as a whore. 00:51:51.986 --> 00:51:53.816 >> Well if you pay money, she's a whore. 00:51:54.226 --> 00:51:56.066 >> [Talking in foreign language] Hello? 00:51:58.516 --> 00:52:03.076 Hey did I sent this? It says-- send, sorry. 00:52:03.076 --> 00:52:05.206 Dialing. Jesus Christ. 00:52:05.206 --> 00:52:09.956 [Music] 00:52:09.956 --> 00:52:17.906 [ Talking in foreign language ] 00:52:17.906 --> 00:52:20.416 >> Boy that's a mouthful. 00:52:21.966 --> 00:52:23.806 >> We're in. >>We're in. 00:52:23.806 --> 00:52:24.906 >> Watch it now. 00:52:24.906 --> 00:52:27.056 >> Stay in this lane. >>Say in the right lane. 00:52:27.056 --> 00:52:29.306 >> Why are you getting in the middle lane? 00:52:29.306 --> 00:52:32.156 >> Downtown. Get over to the left, okay? 00:52:32.156 --> 00:52:34.596 Jeez, left lane Louis. 00:52:36.086 --> 00:52:38.696 >> Boy you got more backseat drivers than you ever had. 00:52:38.696 --> 00:52:40.986 >> Right turn here Louis. 00:52:40.986 --> 00:52:45.546 [ Music ] 00:52:46.046 --> 00:52:50.866 >> I was still curious what form Tom's ambassadorial trip would take and was surprised 00:52:50.866 --> 00:52:54.526 when John began directing me to Tijuana's tourist bars. 00:52:55.476 --> 00:52:57.656 >> I want a sombrero. I want to buy-- 00:52:57.656 --> 00:53:00.416 >> I'll take you right-- they're right down there all those shops. 00:53:00.416 --> 00:53:02.096 >> Let's go. Yeah 00:53:02.096 --> 00:53:04.576 >> Well let's have a drink first. >> Yeah let's get a drink first. 00:53:04.576 --> 00:53:06.726 The drinks are right down there too. 00:53:06.726 --> 00:53:08.486 [talking in foreign language] 00:53:11.076 --> 00:53:14.096 >> Is that her? 00:53:14.116 --> 00:53:16.536 Does she recognize you? 00:53:16.536 --> 00:53:32.266 [ Talking in foreign language ] 00:53:32.276 --> 00:53:34.556 >> Hello, I'm Louis. >> This is Louis. 00:53:34.556 --> 00:53:36.916 [ Talking in foreign language ] 00:53:36.936 --> 00:53:39.496 What's his name? Geraldo Rivera. 00:53:39.516 --> 00:53:51.016 [ Talking in foreign language ] 00:53:51.016 --> 00:53:53.606 >> [Inaudible] and I are going to get married one day. 00:53:53.606 --> 00:53:57.576 [ Talking in foreign language ] 00:53:57.576 --> 00:53:59.746 >> Can we say what it's about? 00:53:59.746 --> 00:54:05.926 >> No. Because I don't want to-- who knows what her politics or her-- 00:54:05.936 --> 00:54:10.716 her celebrity, you know, things are. 00:54:10.716 --> 00:54:14.696 She's my girl and she's going to be showing us around. 00:54:19.306 --> 00:54:21.886 >> You guys got a documentary following you around or what? 00:54:21.886 --> 00:54:23.216 >> Yeah we do. Where you from? 00:54:23.216 --> 00:54:26.086 >> Sacramento. >> I used to be the head of the KKK in California. 00:54:26.086 --> 00:54:28.756 >> No shit! >> Yeah. And now I come down-- 00:54:28.756 --> 00:54:30.706 >> What happened? Did you get kicked out or what? 00:54:30.706 --> 00:54:32.426 >> No I quit. But anyhow-- 00:54:32.426 --> 00:54:35.026 >> Well I got something really wild-- I'm skinhead now. 00:54:35.026 --> 00:54:38.096 You guys need me in Sacramento. That's a fucked up place. 00:54:38.106 --> 00:54:40.476 >> It's all fucked up. 00:54:40.476 --> 00:54:41.616 >> No you've got Schwarzenegger-- 00:54:41.616 --> 00:54:43.796 >> He's going to terminate the-- >> The black nigger right. 00:54:43.796 --> 00:54:45.436 Yeah-- >> He's going to terminate the-- 00:54:45.436 --> 00:54:48.526 >> he's going to fuck-- hey, you think he's going to save us? 00:54:48.526 --> 00:54:49.876 Bullshit. 00:54:49.876 --> 00:54:52.166 >> I don't know, you sound like a racist to me. 00:54:52.166 --> 00:54:53.756 >> I am a racist. What the hell you talking-- 00:54:53.756 --> 00:54:55.206 >> I'm not a racist. >> You're not a racist? 00:54:55.206 --> 00:54:56.096 >> Fuck no I'm not a racist. 00:54:56.096 --> 00:54:58.746 >> Don't you want your grandchildren to look like you? 00:54:58.746 --> 00:55:01.126 >> I don't give a shit what my grandchildren look like. 00:55:01.126 --> 00:55:03.116 >> Oh man! You're killing me! 00:55:03.626 --> 00:55:05.526 >> One dollar. It's one dollar, Tom. 00:55:05.526 --> 00:55:07.996 Give him a dollar as a tip. Buy me a beer, too. 00:55:09.476 --> 00:55:12.366 >> One more, one more. >> One more, one more. 00:55:12.536 --> 00:55:14.356 >> It's yours, Tom. 00:55:14.466 --> 00:55:17.066 [ Singing ] 00:55:17.066 --> 00:55:19.826 >> Come on, sing. 00:55:23.086 --> 00:55:26.326 >> The ambassadorial visit was degenerating into a pub crawl. 00:55:26.326 --> 00:55:28.646 It had all become rather chaotic. 00:55:28.646 --> 00:55:31.036 >> Do I need another hat? >> Rings? 00:55:31.036 --> 00:55:33.916 >> I need a bigger hat is what I need. I need a bigger hat. 00:55:33.916 --> 00:55:35.496 >> No swastika? 00:55:37.746 --> 00:55:39.736 >> Do you have any swastika rings? 00:55:39.736 --> 00:55:40.496 >> What? 00:55:40.966 --> 00:55:42.216 >> Swastika. 00:55:42.286 --> 00:55:45.866 >> Where's Tom? Where's Tom gone? 00:55:46.066 --> 00:55:50.146 Several tequilas later we lost Tom in a souvenir shop somewhere. 00:55:50.316 --> 00:55:52.916 When he resurfaced, he seemed even more drunk. 00:55:52.916 --> 00:55:56.916 He was concerned that he could've been attacked or kidnapped and accused John 00:55:56.916 --> 00:55:58.996 of neglecting his security duties. 00:55:59.376 --> 00:56:01.756 >> I don't depend on anybody who runs any town. 00:56:01.756 --> 00:56:06.596 I depend on my security, and when I walk out of a place and my security's not there-- 00:56:06.596 --> 00:56:08.386 >> Well, did Louis leave you? 00:56:09.576 --> 00:56:11.556 >> You don't seem to understand, John. 00:56:12.146 --> 00:56:17.176 >> What I'm trying to tell you is there is certain towns that are run a certain way 00:56:17.716 --> 00:56:20.256 and I am totally wired in down here. 00:56:20.256 --> 00:56:23.916 >> I don't give a shit how you're wired. I'm wired in to only my own people. 00:56:23.916 --> 00:56:26.736 I don't trust anybody else in nobody's town. 00:56:26.736 --> 00:56:28.006 Nobody you know. 00:56:28.006 --> 00:56:29.246 I trust my friends. 00:56:29.836 --> 00:56:31.936 My security next time is coming with me. 00:56:32.116 --> 00:56:34.726 >> But I'm telling you, if I can walk around here-- 00:56:34.726 --> 00:56:36.976 >> My friends are concerned about my security. 00:56:36.976 --> 00:56:40.376 >> If I can walk around here with a fucking hat on my head looking like a clown-- 00:56:40.376 --> 00:56:42.726 >> No but your-- your whole brain's full of pussy. 00:56:42.736 --> 00:56:45.126 That's all you're thinking about. >> No it's not. 00:56:45.126 --> 00:56:47.446 You think I'm not a racist, I'm just [inaudible]. 00:56:47.546 --> 00:56:50.156 >> No you're not a racist like I am. 00:56:52.286 --> 00:56:54.626 >> I want to make a bet. 00:56:54.626 --> 00:56:56.506 I'm going to put my dollar down, okay? 00:56:56.506 --> 00:56:59.146 >> He would fuck Matsurat and I wouldn't. 00:56:59.626 --> 00:57:00.406 >> Why? 00:57:00.406 --> 00:57:01.306 >> She's not white. 00:57:01.856 --> 00:57:03.046 I got to go pee. 00:57:03.056 --> 00:57:07.726 >> The day was winding to a close and I reflected on Tom's fears of being kidnapped. 00:57:08.396 --> 00:57:10.376 I felt this was Tom at his most unguarded 00:57:10.686 --> 00:57:13.726 and what struck me was Tom's fantasies of his own importance. 00:57:15.226 --> 00:57:18.226 In the car on the way home John made a last attempt 00:57:18.226 --> 00:57:20.386 to salvage something from the international trip. 00:57:21.666 --> 00:57:24.666 >> Tom, tell us about Mexico, okay? 00:57:24.666 --> 00:57:26.616 What do you think about it? Was it fun? 00:57:26.616 --> 00:57:31.836 >> I think it's a very interesting place to visit and I think a lot 00:57:31.836 --> 00:57:36.666 of Aryans should go there and carve out something like a country. 00:57:36.666 --> 00:57:40.696 And that might be something that I'm thinking about. 00:57:41.246 --> 00:57:42.556 >> And you know what? 00:57:42.606 --> 00:57:45.116 That's exactly what we're all thinking about here. 00:57:46.206 --> 00:57:49.076 >> When I saw how well you could get on out there Tom, 00:57:49.076 --> 00:57:54.696 it made me think well maybe you'd abandon racism, you know? 00:57:54.696 --> 00:58:01.316 Maybe you'd find that you didn't really-- it wasn't something that you needed anymore. 00:58:01.966 --> 00:58:04.316 >> Let me answer that. Let me answer that because-- 00:58:04.366 --> 00:58:06.356 >> [Inaudible] don't understand. 00:58:06.576 --> 00:58:10.886 >> Right. Tom is actually-- you don't understand Louis. 00:58:10.886 --> 00:58:16.506 It's like-- go through the next, you know-- go up the hill, go up the hill. 00:58:17.166 --> 00:58:18.816 Here's what we're going to say. 00:58:18.826 --> 00:58:20.976 He doesn't because-- 00:58:21.111 --> 00:58:23.111 [ Inaudible ] 00:58:23.206 --> 00:58:25.536 the Mexican guys-- 00:58:25.686 --> 00:58:27.416 >> Let Tom answer, John. 00:58:27.446 --> 00:58:29.506 >> No I don't want him to answer right now 00:58:29.506 --> 00:58:33.446 because it's been a long day and my client is tired. 00:58:33.836 --> 00:58:34.556 >> Yeah. 00:58:34.746 --> 00:58:35.806 >> He's tired. 00:58:36.906 --> 00:58:38.776 He's relaxing now. 00:58:38.856 --> 00:58:44.226 Please, you know? 00:58:44.226 --> 00:58:45.326 Mary? >> Excuse me. 00:58:45.356 --> 00:58:47.416 >> Hi dear. >> It's locked for a reason. 00:58:47.446 --> 00:58:50.186 >> We've got one rather drunken gentleman with us. 00:58:50.256 --> 00:58:51.186 >> Okay. 00:58:51.186 --> 00:58:54.746 >> It was far from the statesman's visit that John had advertised. 00:58:54.746 --> 00:58:58.166 I had to keep reminding myself that Tom was supposed to be one 00:58:58.166 --> 00:59:00.316 of the most dangerous racists in America. 00:59:05.376 --> 00:59:06.556 [ Frog croaking ] 00:59:06.556 --> 00:59:08.016 It was my last day with Tom. 00:59:08.066 --> 00:59:11.696 For some time I'd been badgering him for a chance to see him at his day job. 00:59:14.456 --> 00:59:16.116 >> You stay here. Stay. 00:59:16.116 --> 00:59:17.846 Good morning. >> Good morning. 00:59:17.846 --> 00:59:19.466 Hello there. >> Friend or foe? 00:59:19.466 --> 00:59:21.676 >> Well we haven't worked that out yet have we? 00:59:21.676 --> 00:59:23.836 >> Okay. Stay here boy. 00:59:23.836 --> 00:59:24.966 >> That's a work in progress. 00:59:24.966 --> 00:59:27.226 >> I got to keep my bandit dog back in there. 00:59:27.226 --> 00:59:31.176 He's so used to running in the car, sometimes I have to leave him here. 00:59:32.326 --> 00:59:37.786 >> Tom's a TV repairman and today he was picking up a TV from one of his most faithful clients. 00:59:38.016 --> 00:59:40.406 >> Do you want a hand with that, Tom? 00:59:40.406 --> 00:59:41.886 >> Sure. Well wait a minute. 00:59:41.886 --> 00:59:43.606 I've got to open up the back door. 00:59:43.846 --> 00:59:45.516 >> How are you do-- is it your TV? 00:59:45.526 --> 00:59:46.256 >> Yes. 00:59:46.506 --> 00:59:47.816 >> And what's the problem? 00:59:47.866 --> 00:59:49.896 >> Well it doesn't work too good. 00:59:50.336 --> 00:59:53.186 >> So anyway, I have known Tommy for many years. 00:59:53.206 --> 00:59:54.936 >> Have you? >> Oh yes. 00:59:54.946 --> 01:00:00.816 And I have not found in Fallbrook or in L.A. where I lived many years-- 01:00:00.846 --> 01:00:01.706 >> Yeah. 01:00:01.726 --> 01:00:04.376 >> a man that honest. 01:00:04.826 --> 01:00:06.186 >> Yeah. You like him? 01:00:06.186 --> 01:00:08.846 >> Oh I like him very much and I can depend on him. 01:00:08.846 --> 01:00:12.296 I leave my key so I, that much I trust him. 01:00:13.186 --> 01:00:14.816 >> What about, do you know about his politics? 01:00:15.236 --> 01:00:17.326 >> Yes. Well, we don't [inaudible] about politics. 01:00:17.326 --> 01:00:19.806 [laughs] I know him as a man. 01:00:19.806 --> 01:00:23.586 He's got his ideas and I have mine. 01:00:23.626 --> 01:00:24.366 >> Yeah. 01:00:24.376 --> 01:00:28.306 >> He does not interfere with... He's friend of mine for a long time. 01:00:28.316 --> 01:00:29.616 >> How about that? 01:00:29.616 --> 01:00:32.396 And what's your-- you sound like you've got a slight accent. 01:00:32.396 --> 01:00:34.476 Where are you from originally? >> From Peru. 01:00:34.476 --> 01:00:35.636 >> From Peru? >> Yes. 01:00:35.636 --> 01:00:36.916 >> Peruvian? >> Yeah. 01:00:37.066 --> 01:00:38.836 >> I never asked you that myself. 01:00:38.836 --> 01:00:40.426 >> That's true, Tommy! 01:00:40.426 --> 01:00:42.396 >> And your name is? 01:00:42.446 --> 01:00:43.816 >> Oscar. 01:00:43.956 --> 01:00:50.436 >> Now his-- and of course when his wife was alive I-- we used to-- 01:00:50.436 --> 01:00:52.706 >> We had a big house, remember? >> That's right. 01:00:52.706 --> 01:00:54.876 They used to live in a house here on the other side of-- 01:00:54.896 --> 01:00:58.856 >> Oscar was just saying that as far as politics you kind of agree not to talk about it. 01:00:58.856 --> 01:01:00.666 >> Right. [laughs] >> That's right. 01:01:00.666 --> 01:01:02.946 >> Exactly. >> That's absolutely right. 01:01:02.956 --> 01:01:04.926 >> I respect all the people's ideas. 01:01:04.926 --> 01:01:06.376 >> Yeah. >> Yep. 01:01:06.376 --> 01:01:08.176 >> Are you all right with that Tom? 01:01:08.176 --> 01:01:10.636 You get one side, I'll get the other side. >> No. 01:01:10.636 --> 01:01:12.876 >> Oscar believes in free speech. >> [Laughs] 01:01:17.466 --> 01:01:19.786 >> Do you know how much he's going to charge yet? 01:01:19.786 --> 01:01:21.466 >> [Laughs] No I don't care about that. 01:01:21.466 --> 01:01:24.066 >> He don't worry about-- he knows I'll never cheat him. 01:01:24.066 --> 01:01:27.156 >> He is the honest-- and the best technician. 01:01:27.156 --> 01:01:29.186 >> Would you consider Tom a friend? 01:01:29.186 --> 01:01:30.686 >> Yes. Absolutely. 01:01:30.696 --> 01:01:32.226 No hesitation. 01:01:32.226 --> 01:01:33.656 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. 01:01:33.796 --> 01:01:35.686 >> And you'd consider Oscar a friend? 01:01:35.726 --> 01:01:37.276 >> I believe so, yes. 01:01:37.286 --> 01:01:38.036 Yeah. Sure. 01:01:38.036 --> 01:01:41.036 It's been a long-- we've had a long association. 01:01:41.036 --> 01:01:41.716 >> That's right. >> Yeah. 01:01:41.716 --> 01:01:43.586 >> Longer than my girlfriend. 01:01:43.586 --> 01:01:45.556 I've only known her 10 years. 01:01:45.556 --> 01:01:47.216 >> Oh don't tell Mary that. 01:01:47.926 --> 01:01:48.906 [laughs] Yeah. 01:01:52.016 --> 01:01:54.326 You're one of the most famous racists in America. 01:01:54.326 --> 01:01:55.036 >> Yeah. 01:01:55.126 --> 01:01:56.876 >> Maybe the most famous. 01:01:56.916 --> 01:02:02.566 And there you were saying that you were friends with this guy who looked to me non-white and-- 01:02:02.626 --> 01:02:06.486 or at least mixed race-- and it just seemed inconsistent. 01:02:06.486 --> 01:02:08.346 I just thought that was kind of weird. 01:02:08.356 --> 01:02:12.676 >> Well, maybe you need to be educated in the ways of the world. 01:02:14.986 --> 01:02:15.916 >> How do you mean? 01:02:15.916 --> 01:02:18.466 I mean, don't you see that as inconsistent? 01:02:18.506 --> 01:02:20.136 That you would call-- >> Well-- 01:02:20.146 --> 01:02:24.556 >> you would say you have a friend in this guy who looks like he was mixed race? 01:02:24.706 --> 01:02:29.206 >> Louis is hanging on this friend thing, a very abstract word. 01:02:29.446 --> 01:02:33.816 I would not debate the term friend on the man's doorstep. 01:02:33.816 --> 01:02:34.606 >> Yeah. 01:02:34.586 --> 01:02:36.816 >> Now you and I can debate it and like that. 01:02:36.816 --> 01:02:38.556 I don't want to hurt the man's feelings. 01:02:38.566 --> 01:02:40.446 >> No but there was more to it than that Tom. 01:02:40.446 --> 01:02:42.666 I felt warmth between you. 01:02:43.326 --> 01:02:46.426 >> That's just an association, that you know these people. 01:02:46.426 --> 01:02:49.876 And common courtesy and politeness. >> Don't you see-- do you really not-- 01:02:49.876 --> 01:02:53.226 >> You treat them respectfully. >> do you really not see what I'm trying to say? 01:02:53.226 --> 01:02:56.116 >> I see what you're trying to say but your brain is twisted. 01:02:56.116 --> 01:02:57.696 >> I think your brain is twisted. 01:02:57.696 --> 01:02:58.876 >> Well then we agree. 01:02:58.876 --> 01:03:01.766 We both agree that we believe each other's brain is twisted. 01:03:01.766 --> 01:03:05.346 >> Yeah but the facts are on my side. >> And your brain is going to stay twisted and-- 01:03:05.346 --> 01:03:07.466 >> You have friends who are non-white and you-- 01:03:07.466 --> 01:03:09.286 >> I don't have-- >> and you pal around-- 01:03:09.286 --> 01:03:11.266 >> with people who are non-white and you're living a happy life-- 01:03:11.266 --> 01:03:11.866 >> I have people-- 01:03:11.866 --> 01:03:12.946 >> [inaudible] multicultural community. 01:03:12.946 --> 01:03:14.446 >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. 01:03:14.446 --> 01:03:15.246 I have people-- 01:03:15.246 --> 01:03:17.736 >> and yet you keep pretending that you're a revolutionary. 01:03:17.736 --> 01:03:18.176 >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. 01:03:18.176 --> 01:03:20.686 >> But the facts of your existence completely undermine that. 01:03:20.686 --> 01:03:22.836 >> Doesn't that totally fit your package? 01:03:22.836 --> 01:03:25.476 >> It's the truth though. 01:03:26.126 --> 01:03:27.366 >> [Laughs] It is the truth. 01:03:27.366 --> 01:03:28.266 >> This is really funny. 01:03:28.266 --> 01:03:32.816 >> Your day to day life is a standing refutation of everything you profess to believe. 01:03:32.816 --> 01:03:33.236 >> No it's not. 01:03:33.236 --> 01:03:34.006 It's not either. 01:03:34.046 --> 01:03:34.506 >> It is. 01:03:34.646 --> 01:03:37.376 >> Well follow me to a hostile meeting and I'll show you. 01:03:37.456 --> 01:03:40.306 They'll be trying to kill me and I may have to try and kill them. 01:03:40.306 --> 01:03:40.996 [laughs] 01:03:40.996 --> 01:03:42.066 >> I think you're a hypocrite. 01:03:42.816 --> 01:03:45.266 >> Okay. All right. 01:03:46.176 --> 01:03:49.256 So what? I know what I am. 01:03:49.256 --> 01:03:53.506 I don't need Louis Theroux to quantify what I am. 01:03:55.136 --> 01:04:02.056 >> As abhorrent as his views were, I found it hard to take Tom totally seriously. 01:04:02.706 --> 01:04:04.846 He seemed to like being seen as a dangerous figure, 01:04:05.246 --> 01:04:08.586 but was all the while enjoying the fruits of a multiracial democracy. 01:04:09.236 --> 01:04:13.896 I felt there was a touch of karaoke about this supposed international politician. 01:04:22.866 --> 01:04:26.436 I was still puzzled by John though and thought I'd pay him one last visit 01:04:26.496 --> 01:04:29.716 to see if I could pin him down. 01:04:30.576 --> 01:04:32.776 We'll look at the cartoons. 01:04:37.516 --> 01:04:42.366 >> Okay. How far will niggers go to compound the misery of an unfortunate situation? 01:04:42.916 --> 01:04:46.306 How about looting during a major hurricane? 01:04:46.576 --> 01:04:50.986 >> Do you fi-- how do you react to that? 01:04:51.186 --> 01:04:52.526 >> I don't have any reaction at all. 01:04:53.986 --> 01:04:55.316 I just smoked a cigarette. 01:04:55.316 --> 01:04:57.796 Can I-- I got-- my mouth is a little dry. 01:04:57.796 --> 01:05:00.496 Can I go over to the hose and, you know, get a little water? 01:05:00.496 --> 01:05:00.566 >> Yeah. 01:05:00.566 --> 01:05:01.216 >> Yeah let's go. 01:05:01.316 --> 01:05:01.596 Okay, yeah. 01:05:01.646 --> 01:05:03.516 >> I don't want to-- do you want to stop doing this, John? 01:05:03.516 --> 01:05:04.506 >> No, no, no, no, no. 01:05:04.506 --> 01:05:07.976 I want to answer your questions because it's-- 01:05:08.536 --> 01:05:11.526 >> I mean this is the message that you're-- 01:05:11.566 --> 01:05:13.746 >> This is what a manager does. 01:05:13.746 --> 01:05:15.976 This is what an agent or a manager does. 01:05:16.516 --> 01:05:25.546 [ Water splashing ] 01:05:26.046 --> 01:05:26.966 >> Cigarettes, yuck! 01:05:27.566 --> 01:05:36.426 >> Because this is the message that you're promoting. 01:05:36.426 --> 01:05:40.746 >> [Laughs] So how is this going to come out? 01:05:40.816 --> 01:05:44.306 Are you going to say that, you know, I'm an asshole because of this magazine? 01:05:44.306 --> 01:05:44.996 >> I'd say that to your face. 01:05:44.996 --> 01:05:47.456 >> This is my client's-- this is my client's magazine. 01:05:47.726 --> 01:05:49.466 >> I'm not trying to make you [inaudible]-- 01:05:49.466 --> 01:05:55.066 >> A manager that is working for their client is working for their client. 01:05:55.686 --> 01:05:58.336 A lawyer that is representing somebody-- 01:05:58.336 --> 01:06:01.856 >> I think you know-- I mean I think you know that this stuff is obscene and that's why I'm-- 01:06:01.856 --> 01:06:02.606 >> It's not obscene. 01:06:02.606 --> 01:06:06.836 >> I can see the way you talk about it you have a kind of sense of guilt about it. 01:06:06.936 --> 01:06:08.056 I honestly can. 01:06:08.106 --> 01:06:12.586 I think that's why your mouth went down. 01:06:12.586 --> 01:06:14.986 >> [Laughs] Gosh, I love you so much, Louis. 01:06:15.016 --> 01:06:18.026 >> I know you kind of have a sense of guilt about it. 01:06:18.026 --> 01:06:18.626 I can tell. 01:06:19.086 --> 01:06:19.936 I seriously can. 01:06:20.746 --> 01:06:21.946 >> You know I have a sense of guilt? 01:06:22.126 --> 01:06:24.566 Well Louis, let me tell you something, there is no sense of guilt. 01:06:25.136 --> 01:06:31.576 There is a representative's duty-- 01:06:31.576 --> 01:06:35.556 >> And I think you're only doing it because you had a few bad breaks. 01:06:35.666 --> 01:06:36.856 You had your problem with drugs-- 01:06:37.486 --> 01:06:37.956 >> No no no no no-- 01:06:37.956 --> 01:06:40.436 >> getting arrested, doing time, and so you can't get other kinds. 01:06:40.436 --> 01:06:40.506 >> No. 01:06:40.506 --> 01:06:41.926 >> So that's why you're representing-- 01:06:42.006 --> 01:06:42.596 >> No no no no-- 01:06:42.646 --> 01:06:42.756 >> Tom. 01:06:42.756 --> 01:06:44.216 >> let's deal with this like this. 01:06:44.216 --> 01:06:45.266 >> It's because you haven't got other options. 01:06:45.266 --> 01:06:47.146 >> No no no no, let me answer your question. 01:06:47.986 --> 01:06:50.206 A few bad breaks. 01:06:50.746 --> 01:06:53.576 When I went to prison it was the best thing that ever happened to me in the world. 01:06:53.576 --> 01:06:54.196 Do you know why? 01:06:54.906 --> 01:06:57.386 It taught me what's really going on. 01:06:57.606 --> 01:06:59.496 >> Do you think this is the truth, what's in this paper? 01:07:00.906 --> 01:07:08.216 >> He's appealing as any political figure to a broad base of many dimensions 01:07:08.216 --> 01:07:10.416 of people and he's got skinheads. 01:07:10.416 --> 01:07:12.566 He's got this and that. 01:07:12.566 --> 01:07:12.936 >> Oh I give up. 01:07:12.936 --> 01:07:14.396 >> He's got democratic populists-- 01:07:14.396 --> 01:07:15.976 >> Every time I ask you a question you kind of go onto a-- 01:07:15.976 --> 01:07:17.746 >> No I'm telling you what the truth is. 01:07:18.396 --> 01:07:21.076 >> No but I asked a simple question and you won't answer it. 01:07:21.076 --> 01:07:21.806 >> I'm answering it. 01:07:21.806 --> 01:07:28.706 >> Do you think what's in this paper is the truth? 01:07:28.906 --> 01:07:30.036 >> What this paper is-- 01:07:30.036 --> 01:07:31.116 >> You're not-- just please [inaudible]-- 01:07:31.116 --> 01:07:34.136 >> What this paper is, is-- 01:07:34.516 --> 01:07:36.596 >> Just say no. 01:07:36.596 --> 01:07:38.176 >> Some very hardcore opinions-- 01:07:38.176 --> 01:07:39.166 >> Why don't you just say no? 01:07:40.636 --> 01:07:42.226 >> Because that would not be the truth. 01:07:42.656 --> 01:07:43.666 >> Is it wrong or right? 01:07:43.666 --> 01:07:49.576 Does this paper tell the truth or is it a pack of racist lies? 01:07:49.996 --> 01:07:54.626 >> The paper tells the truth and it tells the truth in a way that appeals 01:07:54.626 --> 01:07:58.256 to a certain dimension of his readership. 01:07:58.256 --> 01:07:59.326 >> You think this tells the truth? 01:07:59.756 --> 01:08:01.936 You really think this tells the truth? 01:08:02.326 --> 01:08:03.926 >> Tom Metzger always tells the truth. 01:08:23.546 --> 01:08:23.836 So? 01:08:32.876 --> 01:08:36.305 >> I was heading back to central California to see April and the twins. 01:08:36.906 --> 01:08:41.536 I'd heard that April had booked a studio for Lamb and Lynx to record the first few tracks 01:08:41.536 --> 01:08:45.256 of their debut album to be titled "Fragment of the Future". 01:08:45.256 --> 01:08:47.966 >> Can we just set the [inaudible]? 01:08:48.515 --> 01:08:52.566 [ Music ] 01:08:53.066 --> 01:08:57.305 >> This would be my last day among the Nazis and a final chance to challenge April 01:08:57.626 --> 01:08:59.736 on her indoctrination of her two daughters. 01:09:00.216 --> 01:09:04.926 >> My stickers keep on sliding. 01:09:04.926 --> 01:09:06.256 [laughs] 01:09:06.256 --> 01:09:11.636 >> Would you like to be skinheads when you grow up? 01:09:11.706 --> 01:09:11.776 >> No. 01:09:11.776 --> 01:09:12.216 >> Why not? 01:09:12.765 --> 01:09:16.386 >> Because you have to shave your head a real weird way. 01:09:16.386 --> 01:09:18.725 >> I'm keeping my hair long. 01:09:18.826 --> 01:09:20.935 >> And it's not skinhead, it's skinbird. 01:09:21.066 --> 01:09:22.666 That's a female skinhead. 01:09:23.256 --> 01:09:25.246 >> Would you like to go out with skinheads if you-- 01:09:25.246 --> 01:09:28.066 you know when you're older and you're ready to start seeing boys? 01:09:28.666 --> 01:09:28.805 >> Yes. 01:09:29.116 --> 01:09:29.225 >> Sure. 01:09:29.225 --> 01:09:29.606 >> Would you? 01:09:29.606 --> 01:09:29.906 >> Yes. [laughs] 01:09:30.015 --> 01:09:30.246 >> Why? 01:09:30.986 --> 01:09:32.176 >> Because. 01:09:32.305 --> 01:09:32.736 >> Because. 01:09:32.736 --> 01:09:34.566 I would. It's cool. 01:09:35.116 --> 01:09:37.636 >> They're very special people. 01:09:39.576 --> 01:09:42.286 >> What did Lynx-- what did you say Lynx? 01:09:42.526 --> 01:09:43.586 >> They're very special people. 01:09:43.796 --> 01:09:45.185 They're important people. 01:09:45.246 --> 01:09:46.466 >> Why are they important? 01:09:46.466 --> 01:09:53.546 >> Because they're very dedicated to what they believe in. 01:09:53.546 --> 01:09:57.076 >> Would you mind that, April? 01:09:57.076 --> 01:09:58.096 Would you be cool with that? 01:09:59.006 --> 01:10:00.536 >> What, with them dating a skinhead? 01:10:00.746 --> 01:10:03.376 >> Yeah and maybe getting married? 01:10:03.376 --> 01:10:05.366 >> Yeah if he was a good hard worker 01:10:05.366 --> 01:10:10.016 and he wasn't spending his time boozing it up and causing trouble. 01:10:10.326 --> 01:10:14.676 >> I don't know many very well but they seem kind of antisocial, some of them. 01:10:14.676 --> 01:10:18.746 >> Well see to me they're not. 01:10:18.816 --> 01:10:22.286 To me and the girls they're always just so protective 01:10:22.286 --> 01:10:25.316 and polite and ultra, ultra polite to us-- 01:10:25.316 --> 01:10:25.446 >> Really? 01:10:25.446 --> 01:10:26.516 >> everywhere we go. 01:10:26.516 --> 01:10:30.966 You know whenever we go to concerts or meetings or anything, they're always just bend 01:10:30.966 --> 01:10:32.786 over backwards to take care of us. 01:10:32.856 --> 01:10:37.726 >> To me they seem kind of-- to me they seem kind of angry and sociopathic. 01:10:38.526 --> 01:10:40.606 >> [Laughs] They just don't seem that way to me. 01:10:40.606 --> 01:10:43.696 I mean when you see them maybe-- 01:10:43.816 --> 01:10:47.746 maybe it's because you're just so freaked out when you see people salute. 01:10:47.746 --> 01:10:48.686 Maybe that's why. 01:10:48.686 --> 01:10:51.206 >> Maybe I'm just not meeting any of the really good ones. 01:10:51.576 --> 01:10:52.236 >> Maybe. 01:10:52.236 --> 01:10:53.286 >> The marriage material. 01:10:53.516 --> 01:10:55.686 >> Hate for hate. 01:10:55.686 --> 01:10:57.046 >> And root for root. 01:10:57.496 --> 01:10:58.446 >> Eye for eye. 01:10:58.766 --> 01:10:59.796 >> And tooth for tooth. 01:11:00.806 --> 01:11:01.936 >> Scorn for scorn 01:11:02.126 --> 01:11:03.296 >> And smile for smile. 01:11:03.766 --> 01:11:04.706 >> Love for love. 01:11:04.906 --> 01:11:05.726 >> And guile for guile. 01:11:05.726 --> 01:11:06.856 >> War for war. 01:11:06.856 --> 01:11:08.086 >> And woe for woe. 01:11:08.086 --> 01:11:10.276 >> Blood for blood. 01:11:10.276 --> 01:11:11.926 >> And blow for blow. 01:11:16.856 --> 01:11:17.796 >> Ooh that's pretty. 01:11:20.176 --> 01:11:25.886 >> So do you think you'll go to school one day? 01:11:26.766 --> 01:11:30.786 >> Maybe next year when we're ready but right now-- 01:11:30.786 --> 01:11:33.666 >> Mom says in a year or two. 01:11:34.086 --> 01:11:34.506 Maybe. 01:11:34.576 --> 01:11:35.516 >> Would you like to? 01:11:35.516 --> 01:11:35.876 >> Yeah [inaudible]. 01:11:36.636 --> 01:11:37.596 >> It'd be okay. 01:11:37.596 --> 01:11:38.876 >> I think it'd be fun. 01:11:46.256 --> 01:11:49.246 >> And do you know why she doesn't want you to go school now? 01:11:50.146 --> 01:11:56.306 >> Yeah. One of the things is because we're having a little bit of money problems. 01:11:56.606 --> 01:11:59.506 And we need new clothes. 01:12:00.466 --> 01:12:01.596 Like school clothes. 01:12:03.576 --> 01:12:06.506 >> You know I didn't realize you have to wear special clothes to school. 01:12:06.506 --> 01:12:10.576 I thought your mom didn't want you going to school at the moment because she disagreed 01:12:10.576 --> 01:12:12.466 with what they were teaching in school. 01:12:12.556 --> 01:12:13.076 >> Also that. 01:12:13.076 --> 01:12:20.346 But she wants us to go to high school. 01:12:20.466 --> 01:12:23.356 But we may not go. 01:12:23.496 --> 01:12:27.836 >> Why are you, why would you like to go to school? 01:12:27.946 --> 01:12:29.456 What is it about school that you would like? 01:12:30.006 --> 01:12:36.876 >> So we'd get to meet a lot of friends and-- it's kind of boring just sitting home all day 01:12:36.876 --> 01:12:40.196 and not-- and all your friends are at school. 01:12:40.196 --> 01:12:44.046 And you've got to wait for them. 01:12:44.216 --> 01:12:49.526 >> Wait until they get home. 01:12:49.786 --> 01:12:50.006 >> [Inaudible] dudes. 01:12:52.296 --> 01:12:58.886 >> [Inaudible] this is not the way you treat a book. 01:12:59.856 --> 01:13:01.776 Especially one as nice as this. 01:13:01.776 --> 01:13:03.286 No. It's new sis. 01:13:03.286 --> 01:13:12.786 >> Back at the house and Lamb and Lynx were due to go to a school carnival with some friends. 01:13:12.786 --> 01:13:16.026 [music] April had told me that Lamb and Lynx's friends don't know that they're being raised 01:13:16.026 --> 01:13:20.636 as racists and I wondered how leading this double life would affect them in the long term. 01:13:21.316 --> 01:13:25.056 I knew it was hopeless but I thought I'd try and talk to April. 01:13:25.126 --> 01:13:28.196 >> Okay you guys are going now? 01:13:28.196 --> 01:13:28.976 >> Are you going? 01:13:28.976 --> 01:13:29.076 >> Yes. 01:13:30.346 --> 01:13:34.086 >> It's been a pleasure working with you. 01:13:34.616 --> 01:13:35.596 >> Yes. Don't [inaudible]. 01:13:35.776 --> 01:13:39.586 >> Have a nice time at the carnival. 01:13:40.116 --> 01:13:41.076 >> Thank you. 01:13:42.806 --> 01:13:44.996 >> You should give Louis a hug. 01:13:44.996 --> 01:13:46.486 >> Okay, bye. 01:13:47.006 --> 01:13:49.566 >> Bye, Shaggy. 01:13:49.566 --> 01:13:49.633 [laughs] 01:13:49.633 --> 01:13:50.236 >> Bye. 01:13:50.236 --> 01:13:51.776 >> Okay bye girls. 01:13:52.346 --> 01:13:54.776 >> Have a nice time at the carnival. 01:13:56.706 --> 01:14:00.536 >> No no no no no. 01:14:00.536 --> 01:14:01.906 I don't like the milk in it. 01:14:10.456 --> 01:14:15.976 >> Had-- have you thought about the implications of indoctrinating Lynx and Lamb in this way? 01:14:16.176 --> 01:14:16.976 >> Of course I have. 01:14:17.526 --> 01:14:22.856 >> And have you had-- have you had second thoughts or misgivings of any kind? 01:14:22.966 --> 01:14:26.836 >> I don't want to teach them to be politically correct just because that's the easy way out. 01:14:26.836 --> 01:14:27.486 I don't want to tell them-- 01:14:27.486 --> 01:14:28.036 >> I understand that. 01:14:28.036 --> 01:14:29.146 But I don't think that means-- 01:14:29.146 --> 01:14:30.336 >> Because it's not the easy way. 01:14:30.336 --> 01:14:31.536 This is not the easy way. 01:14:31.536 --> 01:14:36.046 >> It's not a choice between-- the choice you face is really, 01:14:36.116 --> 01:14:39.706 is to bring them up judging people fairly or not. 01:14:39.926 --> 01:14:43.486 That's kind of I think what you want to think about. 01:14:44.466 --> 01:14:49.026 >> I don't understand how I'm not doing that. 01:14:49.026 --> 01:14:49.866 >> You're making it-- 01:14:49.866 --> 01:14:50.396 >> I think a person-- 01:14:50.396 --> 01:14:52.896 >> I mean far be it from me to-- I don't have kids so I don't know but-- 01:14:52.896 --> 01:14:58.486 >> a person who tells their children that all people are created equal and that men 01:14:58.486 --> 01:15:02.056 and women are equal, in my mind they're lying to their children. 01:15:02.056 --> 01:15:04.476 They're just, they're blatantly lying to their child. 01:15:05.146 --> 01:15:09.846 >> Do you realize what a handicap that will be for them in life? 01:15:10.126 --> 01:15:10.746 >> No. It won't be. 01:15:10.956 --> 01:15:17.016 >> They're going to-- they'll be going through life as-- with this dual mindset which is, 01:15:17.016 --> 01:15:17.956 you know, what their mum has told them [inaudible]-- 01:15:17.956 --> 01:15:19.176 >> They shouldn't have to go through-- 01:15:19.176 --> 01:15:22.926 >> normal people conduct themselves in the world. 01:15:22.926 --> 01:15:29.166 >> They shouldn't have to go through-- well, see, but I believe that we're normal 01:15:29.166 --> 01:15:32.856 and that we're correct and that other people are distorted. 01:15:33.306 --> 01:15:38.966 So yes I'm, I understand that I'm raising my children in a perverted world, 01:15:38.966 --> 01:15:41.046 in a perverted multiculturalist world. 01:15:41.266 --> 01:15:45.346 I'm teaching-- I have to teach my children the truth despite the fact 01:15:45.716 --> 01:15:48.276 that that's a dangerous thing to be teaching them. 01:15:48.276 --> 01:15:50.746 I'm doing something that is very dangerous. 01:15:51.086 --> 01:15:54.226 But I can't, could not live with myself if I were 01:15:54.226 --> 01:15:56.926 to tell them anything different because it would be a lie. 01:15:57.496 --> 01:15:57.586 It's-- 01:15:59.426 --> 01:16:01.406 >> I think what it's about really-- 01:16:01.406 --> 01:16:01.616 >> You know? 01:16:01.616 --> 01:16:03.116 Don't you think that it's difficult-- 01:16:03.406 --> 01:16:07.396 >> is judging people based on who they are not your prejudice about who they are. 01:16:07.606 --> 01:16:09.166 Kind of giving people a chance. 01:16:09.226 --> 01:16:11.146 >> I find other races annoying. 01:16:11.586 --> 01:16:12.586 They bother me. 01:16:12.586 --> 01:16:13.656 I find them annoying. 01:16:13.656 --> 01:16:16.846 I don't like their chattering in other languages. 01:16:16.846 --> 01:16:20.756 I don't like to look-- the way they look, you know? 01:16:20.756 --> 01:16:27.696 I mean 99% of them I just find the way that they look just really-- they're just not pretty. 01:16:28.166 --> 01:16:29.696 They're not attractive to me. 01:16:30.066 --> 01:16:31.226 I don't want to be around them. 01:16:31.226 --> 01:16:32.776 I don't like the way that they act. 01:16:32.776 --> 01:16:34.826 I don't like the way they allow their children to behave. 01:16:34.826 --> 01:16:37.576 I don't like the way they deal with situations. 01:16:37.576 --> 01:16:39.816 I don't like the fact that they seem 01:16:39.816 --> 01:16:42.576 to just make everything messy and dirty wherever they are. 01:16:42.576 --> 01:16:43.666 I don't like that. 01:16:43.666 --> 01:16:44.736 I don't like to be around them. 01:16:44.736 --> 01:16:46.336 I want to be around all white people. 01:16:46.646 --> 01:16:48.476 But it's like I feel like I can't be that-- 01:16:48.476 --> 01:16:50.146 >> Do you ever-- I mean I'm not being facetious but like-- 01:16:50.146 --> 01:16:53.336 I'm not being facetious but have you ever thought about getting some kind 01:16:53.336 --> 01:16:54.956 of therapy or something like that? 01:16:55.316 --> 01:16:58.376 Because what you have is like almost like a pathological-- 01:16:59.096 --> 01:17:00.956 >> Have you ever thought about getting therapy 01:17:00.956 --> 01:17:04.576 and maybe realizing how brainwashed you are by multiculturalism? 01:17:05.166 --> 01:17:10.666 >> I feel like I'm pretty well connected to reality. 01:17:10.726 --> 01:17:15.506 >> Well, see I feel that I am too. 01:17:15.686 --> 01:17:16.646 Just, you know? 01:17:16.646 --> 01:17:18.156 >> But, but you're outvoted. 01:17:18.716 --> 01:17:19.056 >> Huh? 01:17:19.156 --> 01:17:20.746 >> But basically you're outvoted. 01:17:24.406 --> 01:17:25.616 >> What? Here? 01:17:25.976 --> 01:17:27.916 >> In civilized thought, yeah basically. 01:17:45.236 --> 01:17:48.896 >> My journey through the world of Nazis had reached a frustrating conclusion 01:17:49.316 --> 01:17:52.086 with an argument in a kitchen with a mother of two. 01:17:52.456 --> 01:17:53.746 >> Well Louis, it was nice meeting you-- 01:17:53.746 --> 01:17:57.306 >> I seem to have made no impact on April during my time with her and I had 01:17:57.306 --> 01:18:01.706 to keep reminding myself just how anomalous her beliefs actually are. 01:18:01.846 --> 01:18:04.456 Somehow it wasn't much consolation when the ones 01:18:04.456 --> 01:18:07.786 who would pay the consequences were her children, Lamb and Lynx. 01:18:09.026 --> 01:18:09.456 See you later. 01:18:09.716 --> 01:18:09.976 >> Bye. 01:18:17.316 --> 01:18:23.326 >> Did I ever tell you the thing about Denzel Washington? 01:18:23.786 --> 01:18:24.246 >> What about? 01:18:24.766 --> 01:18:26.016 >> That Tom said? 01:18:26.566 --> 01:18:28.506 >> What'd he say about him? 01:18:28.506 --> 01:18:33.106 >> He said that he thinks he's better looking than Denzel Washington. 01:18:33.406 --> 01:18:34.336 >> I think Tom is too. 01:18:34.336 --> 01:18:37.226 As a matter of fact we're going to make a mug out of Tom's head. 01:18:37.646 --> 01:18:39.526 I want to trademark his head. 01:18:39.826 --> 01:18:41.696 That, you know, that beautiful head. 01:18:42.126 --> 01:18:46.126 >> Like what you would drink out of here? 01:18:47.766 --> 01:18:47.846 >> Yeah. [laughs] 01:18:48.176 --> 01:18:52.436 >> [Inaudible] you wouldn't enjoy a drink out of that. 01:18:53.026 --> 01:18:53.826 >> I sure would. 01:18:54.306 --> 01:18:54.906 Oh yeah, man. 01:18:54.906 --> 01:18:55.626 >> People like mugs. 01:18:56.246 --> 01:18:57.416 >> Oh yeah they love mugs. 01:18:57.416 --> 01:18:59.616 >> His head would make a good mug. 01:18:59.976 --> 01:19:00.306 >> Oh yeah. 01:19:01.676 --> 01:19:02.786 Oh Louis.