>> One, two, three, four--
>> I'll just make like a--
>> four. This is perfect.
>> I'll just make a square like this.
>> And then set the other way [inaudible].
This is what--
>> [Laughs]
>> What? Why are you laughing?
>> [Laughs]
>> Hey that's easy too!
>> Okay, do you need music?
>> Sometimes I wonder if you know kind of know how that stuff comes across?
>> Mom, it's track 7.
>> That's a-- that's an ancient Aryan good luck symbol.
>> Do you care about people's feelings?
Of course I do.
I think I'm a pretty empathetic person.
>> Because I mean irrespective of what the political reality is as you see it,
as other people see it, there would just be-- there's just a lot of people who--
>> Oh you mean all the Jews that might be just like really upset at seeing a swastika
so that they might, you know, be offended and?
>> Why does that make you want to cause more offense?
>> I'm not doing-- See I'm not doing it to go cause pain to somebody.
Just because I find it entertaining to put a swastika on the floor.
You told me to act normal.
You told me to do stuff that I would normally have done.
You know when my kids and I go to the beach, sometimes we draw swastikas
in the sand and you guys are nowhere around.
Gee, I wonder why we do that?
Maybe because we just want to.
Because we think it's a neat looking symbol.
You just can't comprehend it.
But you know what's funny, is I can comprehend how you feel.
I can understand-- you don't seem to understand how I, my way of thinking,
but I do somewhat understand your way of thinking because I understand because I used
to be somewhat of a brainwashed lemming like yourself.
[pause] no offense.
[laughs]
>> None taken.
[Background music] For several weeks I've been living among a community
of true believers trying to find the humanity
in people whose world view is probably the most abhorrent and discredited conceivable.
But so far, I wasn't having a very easy time of it.
[ Music ]
My journey began three weeks earlier in Fallbrook, California,
a small town half an hour outside San Diego.
I was on my way to meet one of America's most notorious racists, a Grand Dragon of the KKK
in the 70's, a congressional candidate in the 80's, and now the leader
of White Aryan Resistance, a self-styled revolutionary group.
His name: Tom Metzger.
[ Frog croaking ]
[Doorbell] Hello.
>> Hello.
>> How are you doing?
>> Pretty good.
>> You must be Tom.
>> And which branch of the government are you from?
I'm Tom.
>> I'm from the BBC, the broadcasting arm of the government.
>> Oh, the heavy duty boys, huh? >>Yeah
>> Come on in.
>> Are you Tom's better half?
>> Yes, I am actually.
>> Oh yes, she's my better half.
Yeah.
>> [Laughs] He doesn't admit that much.
>> I gotta say that.
Yeah.
>> Yes you do.
Come on coffee.
>> Do you-- I mean how-- I'm just sort of just starting
out so I don't really-- I'm not familiar with all--
>> Sure.
>> all the terminology and you know the specifics of your politics
and your world view, but I mean are you a Nazi?
>> I think I'm more serious than most of the Nazis I've met.
I'm a pan-Aryanist.
I believe in white people all over the world sticking together.
Here's the latest paper.
>> So this is, the main work you do really is--
>> Newspaper.
Internet.
>> WAR stands for?
>> White Aryan Resistance.
>> What have we got there?
>> Well this is a typical white whore and a black guy.
>> What is the problem with a white woman going out with a black man?
>> Most black men are ugly, number one.
>> You think you're better looking than Denzel Washington?
>> Yeah.
>> Do you really?
>> Oh yeah.
>> What if that was put to a vote and you were outvoted?
>> And If I had the money and the power and the deal making movies,
I'd get 10 times more women than him.
>> Do you really believe that?
That seems delusional.
>> Well, I believe it.
I don't know whether it's delusional or not.
Denzel Washington's in there because they have to do that.
They have to--
>> But I'm just talking about like just on looks.
I mean you've got to-- I mean--
>> Denzel-- you think he's--
>> You can't really believe that.
>> Well he's not bad looking.
He's not as ugly--
>> Yeah but I mean I think--
>> he's not as ugly a nigger as most.
Like Kobe Bryant.
>> Why did you use that word?
>> I use it all the time.
I never used to use it.
>> Would you not use it around me?
>> No I'd use it.
In my home I'll use it.
If you don't want me to say it in a restaurant or out someplace, I won't.
But in my home I'll say whatever I want.
And then it's up to you.
>> That's your right.
>> Right.
>> As a favor to me though.
>> No. If I decide to say nigger, I'll say it.
If I don't want to say it, I won't say it.
That really upsets you don't it?
>> Mmm, it doesn't really upset me.
>> Well good then we'll go on.
Show some more--
>> [Inaudible] to like makes me think slightly less of you.
>> Oh that's okay.
I'm not here to adopt you.
Well I got a lot of CDs.
I don't know that I like every one of them but-- some of them I probably haven't even played yet.
There's a lot of skinhead music there.
Bandit!
>> That one.
>> Yeah that's-- hey, leave it alone.
Yeah.
>> What is the point of having a lynching of a black man on a CD?
>> I think it's conveying the message that if a black person is
out of line, badly, that it's fine.
They should be lynched.
But we'll probably let the sheriff or the police do it.
>> Don't you think that's quite-- don't you think that's quite shocking Mary?
>> I want them all out of here.
I don't want to hang one at a time.
Are you kidding?
That's too slow.
We want them all out is what--
>> Do you really?
>> Of course.
We don't need them.
They're a pain.
They drag us down.
But they-- but on the other hand they can have their own nation.
Their own police.
Their own military.
We don't want any part of them.
They should be happy.
You know, the blacks are always saying how--
>> Don't you think that's quite shocking Mary to have a picture
of a black guy being lynched on a CD?
>> It's part of history.
I don't think it's terribly shocking, no.
>> [Knocking] I think somebody knocked at the door.
>> Yeah who is it?
Would that be Lynn?
>> I don't know.
She said 4.
Oh it is 4.
[laughs] Laurie.
My long lost little angel.
>> Who is Laurie, Mary?
>> She's the youngest daughter.
>> Okay.
>> Hello guys.
>> Hello. How do you do?
>> This is--
>> Good. How are you?
>> I'm Louis.
>> Nice to meet you.
What do you do Laurie?
>> I work at Starbucks.
>> Do you?
>> And I go to school.
>> Do you consider yourself a racist?
>> No. But I think in everyone's own way that everyone is racist because my whole life,
you know, all throughout school, kids-- white, black, whatever--
would hate me because of my last name.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. So--
>> You pointed at me.
>> No, well I mean--
>> Well why would they do that?
>> Not because of you but because, you know--
>> I never hung any of those kids.
>> Metzger, ooh.
You know? Is your dad Tom?
You know?
>> Because they'd heard of Tom Metzger as a leading racist and--
>> You know even now today at work, you know, people talk about me and--
>> Could you go out with a Jewish guy?
>> I mean I can.
I'm of age.
I can, you know, do my own choices.
>> How would you feel about that?
Would you worry about what your dad would think?
>> Maybe a little but not much.
I'm not going to ask for his approval.
[laughs]
>> That wouldn't make me too happy.
>> Well I'm not.
>> I know you're not.
[laughs]
>> What would you do then?
>> Well I would not have a Jew with my daughter in this house, period.
>> [Inaudible] bespeaks a hatred, really.
>> No I hate the people who cause me to hate.
They kill my friends.
They imprison them for life.
They give them many more years than they do the common black negro.
They rape and torture our people.
>> That is such bull.
That is so-- that is such bull.
>> Don't you read the crime statistics in your own country for Christ's sake?
Don't you read what blacks do in England?
I do.
Excuse me.
>> If I wanted to stay the night at your place, would that be, you know would that be feasible?
>> I don't think I'd like that.
>> Really?
>> I don't feel comfortable with any stranger staying in my home.
It's nothing personal.
But we can be pals and go out to lunch and go out and have a beer or something like that.
I'll even take you out there and I'll sing karaoke to you.
We can be buddies to that point but it would be sort of weird of me to have a buddy-buddy just
to be a buddy non-political buddy.
>> Would it?
>> Yeah.
>> Because I mean I don't want to do it in a tokenistic way.
>> Well at this time it would be a very tokenistic way.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> [Singing] Just to be with you.
Just to be with you.
There is nothing that I wouldn't do just to be with you.
>> It'd been a long and in some ways depressing day.
I'd found Tom's attitudes exhausting and I was still more confused
when the karaoke bar he took me to turned out to be largely non-white.
I could only assume that for Tom, karaoke sometimes took precedence over racism.
>> [Singing] On the day I was born [inaudible] all gathered around.
They gazed at the wild wonder--
>> The next day and Tom was taking me to meet his recently hired manager John Malpezzi.
John was supposedly a showbiz veteran with a long list of Hollywood contacts.
Exactly why a Nazi needed such a manager was still unclear to me.
How do you do?
>> Fine.
>> You must be John.
>> And you must be Louis.
>> Yes I am.
>> I've been looking forward to meeting you Louis for a long time.
>> Yeah me too.
Thank you.
>> One of the most important things that I do is arranging for his bookings that are outside
of the country and that are specialized bookings [inaudible] the appearances [inaudible].
We've got a lot of things planned for this year.
We've got several that are up and coming that you've probably heard of and are invited to.
And we're looking forward to a very,
very busy year of raising his profile internationally even more than it is so.
>> Why?
>> Why not?
>> That's his job.
>> That's my job.
[laughs]
>> That's why.
>> Has John seen the paper that you put out?
>> Of course.
>> Yes he's seen it.
>> Of course.
>> I don't know how much he's read it but he's seen it.
Here again I don't grab anybody by the lapels including my manager.
>> Yeah.
>> Right.
>> I don't like that [inaudible].
>> And remember-- and remember, I'm an adult guy that's been around a long time.
>> So would it be appropriate to show you [inaudible] you know to--
>> Now if you're going to read-- if you're going to read striking--
>> Louis, Louis, Louis.
>> on fire type of stuff and ask do you agree with this, I don't want to go there
because that's not what this is all about.
Other people I've known in the past if you would pull that on them and you were
in their airplane, they'd throw you out of the airplane over the jungle, you know?
[laughs]
>> If I did what?
John? If I did what John?
>> Well [pause] let's continue okay?
[laughs] I love this guy.
>> He is good.
>> Hey Tom, I hope you sang "Louie Louie" at the karaoke just for Louis.
>> "Louie, Louie", yeah.
>> It was all a little bit weird and I still didn't understand how exactly John
and Tom fit together.
But I'd heard rumors that John had had a colorful career prior to working with Tom
and I wondered whether that might help explain their relationship.
Back at John's house, I seized my moment to ask.
And was there some-- did you-- you had some sort of a run-in with the authorities and--
>> Wait a minute, wait a minute, what is this?
>> What?
>> Like Louis--
>> Spent time in--
>> Didn't you tell him?
You told him didn't you?
>> Didn't you spend time in prison, John?
>> [Laughs] Sure, why not?
It's all public [inaudible].
>> What was it that happened?
>> He's on the run.
Don't tell anybody.
>> Right, I'm on the run here openly and notoriously.
I'd rather not discuss that, you know?
Come on.
>> You can't talk about that?
>> Well let me put it to you this way-- I represented a lot of--
come on out with it, I'll show you the view boys.
The view out here.
I represented a lot of large clients-- as I told you--
large clients like Pablo Escobar and guys like that, you know?
>> You were some kind of cocaine-- big kingpin cocaine dealer?
>> I-- me?
Little old me?
Oh geez.
>> Seriously?
>> See everybody needs an attorney.
Even guys like Pablo Escobar.
This is the view here.
>> And how long did you get?
What was your sentence?
>> Well I was looking at 85 years and--
which would, at that age would have meant a life sentence--
and we beat it actually and wound up doing 3 1/2.
And I'm not ashamed to say that.
>> What was the conviction?
>> Cocaine trafficking and related charges.
Today folks, I'm not into that business.
You know, you have to move on, you know?
So I do other things.
>> How long have the two of you been in business together?
>> Well we've known each other sometime but-- several years--
but we have not really been in business together very long.
>> I'd say about a year or so, you know?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Couple of months you said.
>> Well you see it crosses over from friendship to business and it gets a little blurry.
>> Yeah. I know you like to stay with people.
You're a nice guy.
Tom's house is his house.
My mother is, you know, she's, you know, back from the hospital in the next day or two.
If you're still around, you know it'd be my pleasure to host you Louis.
>> Really?
>> I like you-- no I like you as a person
and I don't think you're as sneaky as you think you are.
You know I think you're a real nice guy, you know?
So, other questions?
>> Would that be okay with you Tom?
>> I don't care.
John is his own man.
All of my people are that way.
They do what they decide to do--
>> Because we were hoping to stay over with you maybe but--
>> No.
>> There's no-- no.
>> That's not going to happen.
>> You thinking about it?
>> No. Nope.
Wouldn't even consider it.
>> And remember Louis, every guy that I ever got--
>> Who John was and how much of what he said I could believe was still all rather vague
to me and possibly to him too.
But it seemed clear that Tom trusted him and I was intrigued by their relationship.
>> Isn't he?
>> Some days later and Tom was booked to speak at a skinhead rally.
For him to make a public appearance was quite a rarity.
Usually he confined himself to his internet chat room and his phone lines.
I was curious to meet a few of his supporters face to face
so a few days before the big event I decided to visit one
of the organizers, a skinhead named Skip.
How are you doing?
>> [Heavy Metal] Good.
Good morning.
>> Should we come in?
>> Come aboard.
>> Skip, I'm Louis.
>> I know.
>> Yeah.
>> I remember.
>> Yeah.
>> Good morning.
How are you doing?
>> Good.
>> Got a little cut?
>> Yeah.
>> What happened?
>> Little cut at work.
Went right through the lip.
>> Ouch.
>> Good stuff.
>> Introduce us to your family will you?
>> Hi guys, how are you?
>> How are you doing?
>> Sydney.
Sydney, come here.
>> [Inaudible] meet the family.
>> Come here Sydney.
Come on. This is my youngest Sydney.
>> Sydney.
>> This is number two, Rhiannon.
>> Hi Rhiannon.
>> And this is number one, Kearney.
>> Hi Kearney.
>> My lovely wife, Heather.
>> Hi.
>> Hi Heather.
>> My baby brother, Lenny.
>> Lenny.
>> How are you?
Manny.
>> Good. Lenny.
>> Lenny.
>> Lenny?
>> Yeah.
>> Baby brother.
>> Yeah.
>> Baby brother.
>> Right.
>> Good stuff.
>> Yeah, good stuff.
>> Well welcome to paradise.
>> Yeah. So this is where you live?
>> This is where I live.
This is where it all happens.
>> This is where we do it all.
Yeah.
>> It's where the magic happens.
>> Watch these cats don't come running out.
We're going in.
It's just a regular house.
You know what I mean?
It don't look nothing like the garage just because I'm a--
you know what I mean, I am responsible too at the same time.
>> Yeah.
>> But this is our kitchen.
This is where we eat.
>> What do you-- you are a-- I mean would you call yourself a skinhead?
>> You bet.
>> Yeah.
>> Fuck yeah I've been a skinhead since '83.
>> And you know we've been making a documentary about Tom Metzger
and do you regard him-- how do you view him?
>> As a good man.
A good patriot.
He's done a lot for a long time.
Done a lot of good for the young guys.
I've been following him since like '83.
You know every move, all the skinheads.
He's done a lot of good.
Yeah he's a good patriot.
>> Would you consider yourself white racist too?
>> Yeah, definitely.
>> Yeah.
>> And Nancy?
You don't look like-- you're not--
>> We're not big conversationalists.
[laughs]
>> Yeah.
>> [Inaudible] little bit of a--
>> But she seemed on the fence with that.
You seemed a little on the fence there.
>> On the fence?
>> Yeah.
>> Like you're not?
>> No. I think you're on the fence, dude.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm on the me- I mean I'm the media.
I don't come, you know I don't come-- I'm not sort of like disguising--
>> I'm just saying that's like an insult to say someone's on the fence.
>> Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Why?
>> In our group, probably.
>> Because, get off the fence, you know what I mean?
>> Yeah.
>> Pick a side.
Be there. You know what I mean?
That's what it's all about.
>> I didn't mean to insult you Nancy.
I apologize.
>> I understand.
>> So if I told you I was Jewish, would that create a problem between us?
>> Well because you've got the camera right now I'd allow you to stay.
If not I'd probably kick your ass and put you in the street somewhere.
>> For real?
>> Pretty much, because a Jew wouldn't be here on my property.
>> Are you Jewish?
>> Do you mind if I don't answer that?
>> [Laughs] [Inaudible] with the camera-- are you?
[laughs]
>> Classic.
>> Is it my turn?
>> That was so classic.
>> That's not-- I'm not saying yes or no.
>> So you're on the fence?
[laughter] Right?
You're on the fence.
>> I tell you why.
I'm not a racist and I don't-- I think it's-- I actually think it's wrong to be a racist.
And so I feel as though by, you know by saying whether I'm Jewish or not I'm kind
of in a way acknowledging the premise that it really matters
when I think it shouldn't, and it doesn't.
[ Background conversation ]
>> I wasn't sure how long I'd be welcome at the house
but I thought I'd enjoy it while it lasted.
As the afternoon passed, I could almost have convinced myself that I was feeling relaxed,
but something was still bothering Skip.
>> How about that?
Louis is a jew.
We already know it. I already know it.
You're a Jew.
That's why you've got so much animosity.
>> Okay--
>> That's why you have so much--
>> We shouldn't say you don't look like a Jew.
>> You're a Jew.
You're part Jewish.
>> And don't not say I'm not because you think somebody's going to beat you
up because it's not like that with us.
>> Why do you care how-- why will it make any difference to you whether I am or not?
>> Because I like to know who's been in my house.
>> We don't care as in the fact like-- we don't care if you're a Jew, a Christian,
fucking spick Mexican, whatever, Nigger.
>> [Inaudible] you have a big nose, you are kind of greasy.
You do look kind of Jewish.
You've got an accent like these lads.
He's not Jewish, I'll tell you that right now.
>> Look at his face.
You know he's not Jewish.
>> He's not Jewish.
>> But you, frankly, we look at your face-- but we would like to know--
we want to know if you're a fucking Jew.
And if we let you into our house to film our fucking everyday ritual, are you a fucking Jew?
>> Even if you are--
>> I don't feel as though-- I mean, maybe you disagree, I don't I feel as though I've kind
of compelled you to say anything.
>> No you--
>> No.
>> I feel as though I've been respectful and--
>> You have.
>> I appreciate that you've let us into your house.
>> I'm not even debating the fact that you've been respectful to my house and to my people.
>> So and I don't think I would, honestly don't think I would interrogate you to the point
where if you said I don't want to talk
about that I would say okay that's fine, we'll talk about something else.
So I'd like you to respect me in the same way.
>> [Inaudible] can we turn the camera off for a second?
>> Can we?
>> Pull the plug?
>> Pull the plug for a second?
>> What for?
>> Nothing crazy.
[laughs] Don't get all fucking alarmed.
>> No no no, I know it's fine.
>> Just prefer to talk to not feel like we're being filmed about it.
>> No I really, I would really rather not say.
>> I would really rather you tell me.
I've exposed myself.
I've exposed my family.
I've exposed my brothers, my sisters, and my children.
Expose yourself now.
>> I'll answer any-- I'll-- let's leave it at that.
Can we please, Skip?
>> We will in just a second.
>> Let's go inside.
Go inside.
>> I thought it was time to leave.
It was the day of the skinhead rally and I was back at Tom's.
Nice to see you today.
>> Good. You look nice.
>> Thank you.
So do you.
>> Tom is I think getting the final objects together.
Finish loading up the car.
>> The final what together?
>> Objects.
>> Stuff to take.
>> Are you in there Tom?
>> Yo, yo, yo, are you ready to go to the hatenanny?
Huh?
>> Is that what they call it?
>> The Hatenanny.
>> With a certain amount of trepidation I was returning to Skip's place
for an all day white power music event at which Tom would be the keynote speaker.
I still hadn't seen Tom among fellow racists and I was curious how he would be received.
>> Is this it in here?
>> Second house on the left.
Yeah this is it.
>> Second house.
Left.
>> Hi.
>> How are you doing?
>> Tom Metzger for Tommy Romero.
You got a walkie talkie?
>> No, actually the dude that just had it walked off.
>> Where do I park?
>> You can just pull down the back.
>> Okay.
>> Hi Tom.
>> Tom had told me he speaks at one or two rallies a year and that
by skinhead standards, this was a major event.
>> Hi. How are you doing?
>> [Inaudible] do you want to take a picture of me, with me?
>> Yeah, sure.
>> [Inaudible] get a picture taken.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay. Who [inaudible]?
>> I was hoping that Tom would be my guide through what promised to be,
for me, a pretty strange experience.
But with a public to meet, Tom no longer seemed to view me as a top priority.
As a member of the supposedly Jewish run media, I suspected he found my presence
in his entourage a little embarrassing.
>> It was a good turnout huh?
>> Yeah.
>> [Inaudible] good.
>> Any of you guys want to talk about Tom at all for the documentary?
>> What's that?
>> You want to, any of you guys want to talk about Tom for the documentary at all?
>> I got to go back here.
>> I don't talk to [inaudible].
>> I felt like the school kid no one wanted to be friends with.
And then the next act came onstage.
[ Singing ]
>> This was the first time I saw the singing duo Lamb and Lynx.
[ Singing ]
[ Cheering ]
>> Can you hear me out there?
>> Yeah!
>> There's Tom.
>> Hello, it's good to be here among all of you racists.
Now I'll start you out okay?
Nigger nigger nigger!
Out out out!
Nigger nigger nigger!
Out out out!
This is revolution!
Revolution!
Just keep your powder dry boys.
Don't waste yourself.
Don't jump too soon.
Just wait.
Wait until they come out.
Let them get right out there.
>> Oh yeah!
>> Oh boy, I can hardly wait.
I've always said I wouldn't leave California because this is going to be the start
of the second American Civil War--
>> Yeah! [cheering]
>> right here in California.
White revolution!
>> White revolution!
Thank you.
[ Dog barking ]
>> Come on in.
>> Thank you.
>> I'm having my morning popsicles.
Do you like popsicles?
>> I do. How are you doing?
>> I'm a little tired but I'm okay.
>> Kind of morning after feeling?
>> Yeah a little bit but I got in early.
>> How late did you stay there?
>> We left about nine I guess.
Have a popsicle.
Everybody needs a popsicle.
>> Is Mary around?
>> Mary fled the scene.
She says I can't take it anymore.
>> Did she?
>> No she didn't.
She had things to do, you know?
I usually don't drag her around all over the country too much.
>> Did she enjoy it?
>> Yeah.
>> Shall we go outside for a bit?
It's very nice out.
>> I have to put my shoes on.
>> Do you?
>> Um hum.
>> What is it you like about the skinheads?
>> I like about them because they're not hypocritical.
They're out in the open.
They are what they are.
They love what they are.
And they don't give a damn what anybody thinks.
But they are strong racist, and we need them.
>> Don't they turn off a lot of the public?
>> A lot of the public doesn't mean a damn to us.
Do you realize we're not trying to recruit the general public?
What would we do with them if we had them?
They sit on their ass watching television 20 hours a day.
They're feeding their mouth full of crap.
All they want to do is go out and buy, buy, buy.
What good would they be to us?
We're talking about revolutionary activity.
We want the leaders out there in the public but not the public.
We're trying to reach those people out there that really know what's cooking.
[ Music ]
>> I sensed Tom and I needed a break from each other and so I decided to drive
up to central California to meet the two little girls I'd seen at the rally, Lamb and Lynx,
and their manager and mother, April.
[ Music ]
>> Hello.
>> You must be April?
>> Yes.
>> Nice to see you again.
Remember we met at the rally.
>> Yes, yes I did.
>> Shall we come in?
>> Yes.
>> Which one's Lynx and which one's Lamb?
>> I'm Lamb.
>> Hi Lamb.
>> And the one back there is Lynx.
>> Hello.
>> And I'm Louis.
So very pleased to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
>> Remember him on Saturday?
>> Maybe we can do a, sort of a recital later.
Something like that.
>> Yeah. Yeah I think that would be good.
>> [Singing] I want to tell you about South Africa, and the so-called fight for freedom,
the much praised black resistance, and the communists who lead them.
Not too far away in Angola, or nearer home in Zimbabwe,
the Marxist backed dictators are looking south in fear to see strikeforce, white survival,
strikeforce, yeah, strikeforce, kill all rivals, strikeforce, into the devil's lair.
>> Do they, they don't seem old enough to really know what that's about.
>> Well I've explained to it some.
What's the ANC?
>> It's African National-- African National--
>> Congress.
>> Okay. And what happened in South Africa?
>> That the blacks are killing whites.
>> Yeah.
>> Out of their homes.
>> And in Zimbabwe.
>> And in-- yeah in zabwe-- binzabwe--
>> Zimbabwe.
>> I mean they seem a little young to get into politics and racial issues maybe.
>> Yeah but they've got to start sometime.
>> How old are they?
>> They're 11.
What is the idea behind creating this group out of them that sings?
>> I think that Lamb and Lynx's music and their appeal especially
as they just get a little bit older, they're going to be an example and they're going
to show being-- how being proud of your race is something that would be very appealing
to young teenage girls, you know?
I mean what young man-- red blooded American boy isn't going
to find two blonde twins 16 years old singing about white pride and pride in your race-- who--
very few are not going to find that very appealing.
>> So what-- I'm just curious about how-- what school do they go to?
What school do you go to?
>> We home school.
>> You home school?
So who teaches you?
>> My mama.
>> Mom. There you go.
Okay.
>> Okay who wants what?
Bologna, ham, or salami?
>> So where is the, is there a man of the house April?
>> Yeah there's my fiancee and he declined to be shown on camera because of his occupation.
He's worried he-- we have the same belief system and he's very supportive of everything
but he actually, he'd love to appear but he worries
that it would cause him to lose his job and it would--
>> What does he do?
>> He's an educator.
Would you like tomato with it too?
>> Are there things that they're forbidden that other kids have?
Things that you deny them?
>> Gameboys.
We don't--
>> Yeah I don't-- I'm not much for the Nintendo, computer game stuff.
I'm not--
>> People get so caught up.
>> What about on racial terms though?
>> Oh we've got Ethnic Cleansing but that's-- we don't play that very often.
>> What's that?
Is that a-- what's that?
>> That's a computer game that the National Alliance puts out called eth- it's called
"Ethnic Cleansing" and it's basically a shoot 'em up computer game
in which basically a skinhead goes through a ghetto and shoots blacks and Mexicans.
>> Do you like it?
>> Um hum.
It's really hard though because of course all the people that you shoot have guns too.
>> And they're shooting back at you.
>> They hide in bushes and stuff and they-- like they're like perched up on basketball hoops
and stuff and they're climbing in trees and stuff.
So you've got to watch out and then when you hear this gorilla sound--
they make gorilla sounds-- it goes ooh ooh ooh like that.
And then you go, we don't like that, and then you shoot it.
>> Is that a good idea do you think, April?
>> Um hum.
>> It seems a little--
>> Vulgar?
>> Okay. [laughs] After lunch, Lamb and Lynx were keen
to show me their horses stabled a short drive away.
>> See there is one of the kids.
>> Do you ever-- there's a school bus--
do you ever wish you went to school with the other kids?
>> Sometimes.
>> Um hum.
>> But then I think that I won't be able to go with my horses.
>> Yeah.
>> And that we wouldn't be able to see our mom as much.
And so [inaudible].
>> What did you say Lamb, you wouldn't be able to go with your horse did you say?
>> Yes.
>> Why?
>> Play with my horse.
Well, I would in the evenings.
>> She's really attached to her horses.
[Inaudible].
>> Yeah.
>> Oh is that the skinhead army thingy?
>> Who's it by?
>> It's Max Resist but I don't think-- I think it's a cover by somebody else.
I think somebody else like Landser.
>> -- dedicated to all white nationalists all around the world.
United we will win.
[ Music ]
>> [Singing] They call me Nazi and I am proud about.
They call me racist and I shout it out loud.
Proud of my race and proud of my land.
White brothers and sisters come raise your hand.
We are an 88 Rock 'n' Roll band, we are an 88 Rock 'n' Roll band,
playing and fighting for race and land.
We are marching on the streets at night.
Boots and braces we are ready to fight.
Out gook out, run nigga run, we're aryans [inaudible].
We are an 88 Rock 'n' Roll band, playing and fighting for race and land.
>> If anybody asks out here what we've got a ca- why we've got a cameraman following us around--
>> Yeah.
>> I guess we'll just say that you're interviewing us about the kids' music.
>> Why is that?
>> I just don't want somebody messing with my horses because, you know, and hurting my horses
because of my politics, you know?
I mean I don't know what they're going to do out here.
>> Do you have to lead a double life to some extent?
>> I've never really had to before because, you know,
I've never been in the situation that I'm in now.
It's really hard for me to be covert though because I'm just so--
it's just like so much, it's like in every pore, you know?
>> I've noticed.
Can I help?
Can I take the rag and do a bit?
>> Yeah if you want to. >> What do I do?
>> I don't know, you can wipe them down if you want or--
>> Is this just water?
>> Yeah it's just water on there right now.
I was just cleaning their nostrils.
>> Oh cleaning their nostrils.
[horses whinnying] Are they talking to each other?
>> Give her-- we can give him a brush.
Hey girls, why don't you give him a brush?
>> Would you have a problem if Lynx or Lamb brought home a friend of another race?
>> Yeah I probably wouldn't be real happy about it.
>> What would you do?
>> I would probably tell them not to.
I would probably tell them, you know, if that's what you're going to do, don't bring them home.
See because this is the way I would see it.
I would see it first it's the friend.
It's okay to have the nice black friend.
And then the next thing it's going to be the nice black boyfriend.
>> And you'd have a problem with that?
>> I would never speak to them again.
That would be it.
If they were race traitors then they wouldn't-- I-- that absolutely would be--
I wouldn't want to have anything to do with them ever again and I've told them that.
I consider it-- because this the way I see it--
>> That's easy to say but you know the maternal instinct's got to be one
of the strongest instincts in human beings.
>> Um hum.
>> You're saying you would completely go against that?
Have no contact with your child?
>> I would be so disappointed.
I would just be so disappointed.
>> Come on.
Come on Becky.
[ Music ]
>> I couldn't quite believe the almost reckless intensity of April's racism.
She seemed to revel in how outrageous her beliefs were.
I wondered how Lynx and Lamb would grow up and how they would feel
about their mother once they'd left home and were able to think for themselves.
[ Music ]
>> Later that day we headed off to meet April's father.
I'd heard he was also a proud racist and I was hoping he might help me
to understand how April came by her beliefs.
[ Music ]
>> How do you do?
>> Hello.
>> Louis Theroux, BBC.
Nice to meet you.
You must be April's father?
>> Yeah.
>> This is my dad Bill Gaede.
>> Bill Gaede.
>> Yeah.
>> Can we, I noticed you had a, can we look at your cattle brand?
Is the ranch logo-- I'm not sure what the right expression is.
>> It's the cattle brand.
>> How do you view April's beliefs as far as preserving the white race and?
>> I think it's great. Yeah I think you ought to preserve it.
Certainly you should.
You know--
>> Does it--
>> our family were Vikings in Denmark in the 12th century.
Why not preserve it?
>> It seems to me it'll-- it's going to preserve itself just fine and there's no need
for any radical action as far as laws or campaigning.
>> You're sitting under a manhole cover.
You can't see anything.
>> Why? Why is that?
>> You just can't see it because you're not here.
You can't see what's going on.
Right now all the people have been so politically correct they wouldn't say shit
if they had a mouthful of it, you know?
But now the people are beginning to see what's going on and they're beginning to--
their backbone's beginning to straighten up a little bit and get a little stiffer.
All the white people are.
>> I'm a multiculturalist.
>> Are you? >>Yeah
>> When you get married are you going to marry a white person or a nigger?
Huh?
>> What do you usually date?
Do you usually date white women?
>> So far.
>> That's what you find attractive.
>> Does Jewish count as white?
>> No.
>> No, not in our books.
>> Why not?
>> [Laughs] I think we could hope that he marries some Jewess.
I mean won't that be funny.
>> A JAP. You know what a JAP is?
>> Yeah a Jewish American Princess.
I hope-- boy you're going to be--
>> [Inaudible] marry a JAP, a Jewish American Princess.
she's going to have you right there.
>> Twisted right down.
>> Um hum.
>> What's your name?
>> Louis.
>> [High voice] Louis!
Louis, I want a new ring, Louis!
Bring me my coffee-- tea Louis.
Come and flush the toilet for me Louis.
I can't push the handle down.
[laughs]
>> So is that where you get it from do you think, April?
>> The biggest gift that I got from my father was
to not give a rip about what anybody else thought.
It's what you thought.
It's what you really knew in your heart was the right thing to do.
It didn't matter if every single person was against you.
If you know what you believe is right, then you have-- and you can have the strength to just,
to fight against everybody and to stand strong against everyone.
And I believe that I inherited that.
I think in the genes and then I was taught that also.
And I think-- and I owe my dad a lot for giving me that.
That was a gift.
[ Music ]
>> Back in Fallbrook and I had a date with Tom.
There was a plan in place to meet another of his daughters, this one named Lynn.
But before that, a barbecue.
[doorbell rings] Good afternoon.
>> Louis, Louis, Louis!
You feel at home?
>> Very much so.
Look at you, you're wearing a bowler hat.
>> Yeah. How do you like that?
Do you feel at home?
>> It's good.
[laughs]
>> Come on in.
>> It's good.
Is that in honor of me?
>> Yeah. Right.
>> Little bottle of something--
>> Oh you brought something.
You should've brought two or three but that's all right.
>> That's all right, I've got one more in the car if we run low.
So the plan is to have a barbecue, is that right?
>> Yeah.
>> And we're going to just keep it real simple and real easy.
>> Yeah. That's how I like it.
Hi John, how are you doing?
>> Fine. Mary, good to see you again, dear.
>> Um hum.
>> Good to see you, John.
>> And you-- oh the camera's on.
Hey I brought something for Louis.
Back, Louis!
Back! Back, Louis, back!
>> John. [laughs]
>> What does it mean?
>> This cross came from the movie "Scream, Dracula, Scream".
>> Oh I definitely saw that one.
>> Right, so it's a prop.
>> You haven't met Laurie before, John?
>> No.
>> Well no, they've kept me in a cage whenever she's around, so.
>> I got to watch him when it comes to young girls.
[laughs]
>> That's right.
No I've heard that John prefers Mexican women.
>> Now what-- where is that cross again?
[laughs] Back, Louis, back!
>> [Inaudible] we talk about that?
>> It didn't work in the movie so, sorry.
>> Yeah.
>> I got those pork especially for you to check you out.
>> They're turkey.
>> [Laughs] He read the label.
I told Mary I was going to do that.
>> Do you care if I'm Jewish?
>> Not for this, no.
>> What about for something else?
>> You're doing your job.
That's the way it goes.
Sometimes there's neutral territory.
>> I wonder if you could give me a hand.
I don't really know what I'm doing.
>> Well you said you wanted to help cook.
>> Yeah.
>> Well we got to turn down the--
>> That is a little-- that's on too hot isn't it?
>> It's too hot.
>> Should we invite the neighbors over?
>> I think the neighbors went to TJ.
The me-
>> Who have you got on that side?
>> Well that's a white guy.
He's married to a Mexican gal.
She's an American type Mexican and they got a couple of kids.
>> Do you get on okay with them?
>> Yeah we get along okay.
>> Is she a-- she's white?
>> No she's not white.
But she's friendly.
We don't have a problem.
>> I hope you like your hot dogs well done.
>> I think that's about well done enough, man.
Man, you have screwed my hot dog up.
>> [Laughs] I think it's a polish sausage.
>> Let me get that--
>> Do you want me to put another one on?
>> No, no that's not-- that's okay.
That's edible.
>> Then it was off to see Tom's daughter Lynn and her daughter Valerie,
who like Lamb and Lynx, is 11 years old.
I'd heard Lynn was the most racist of Tom's five daughters so I was curious to meet her.
>> Maybe the wrong place.
[Inaudible] here.
I got the wrong place.
Hey!
>> Hey dad!
>> We saw you guys walking by.
I'm like where are you going?
>> Well you know me.
I get--
>> I know, I know.
>> I forget.
Bunch of communist places.
They all look alike.
>> They all do.
>> Hello.
>> Hello. Simon?
>> Louis.
>> This is Louis.
>> Very nice to meet you.
>> Nice to meet you too.
>> Louis.
>> This is Valerie, my daughter.
>> Nice to meet you.
How do you do?
>> Louis's the star.
>> The star, huh?
>> Don't forget it.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. [laughs] We won't.
Come on in.
>> Tom said you used to run the Aryan Women's League?
>> I did. I did.
In fact, it was running for about--
>> Thank you.
>> I guess five, six years.
And we decided to merge with WAR because we were doing the same thing.
>> WAR is Tom's organization?
>> Exactly.
Exactly.
>> Basically do you share, do you have the same kind of racial views that Tom does?
>> I do. I don't-- I'm not one of these labels--
>> Yeah.
>> type of people.
Nazi. Left.
Right. Democrat.
Republican.
You know? Pacifist.
Whatever. I don't like that.
>> Okay.
>> I do have a strong sense of racial identity.
>> Yeah.
>> Strong sense of nature, believing in nature, etcetera.
And, but I don't like the labels.
I don't even like to hear them because they really don't mean anything.
>> Are you comfortable just-- are you comfortable sieg heiling for example?
>> I'm comfortable with it.
>> Yeah.
>> It's not something I do often.
In fact last night I did and that was probably the first time in a long time.
>> What's Valerie's posi- I mean is Valerie comfortable on camera
or is she going to sort of hang back?
>> I asked her and she said in the background would be fine.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't have a problem-- not talking to her.
>> Okay.
>> She's 11 years old.
She's kind of big for her age but she's--
>> Yeah.
>> you know, she's a really good kid.
>> Are you, I mean are you bringing her up as a racist?
>> Bringing her up as a racist?
I'm bringing her up very aware of her heritage.
Very aware of what's going on.
I have often told her I have opinions, I have beliefs, and just like my dad did
when I was a kid, I told her that she needs to explore.
She needs to know what's out there and she can't just take what I say.
>> Would she be-- would you be happy for her to bring children--
friends of other races back to the house?
>> No. I wouldn't be happy.
I mean honestly.
I mean she's going to-- you know what I believe is she's going to, you know, learn from me
and my actions and my words and my thoughts when I put them into actions.
So we'll just see what happens.
>> I was nearing the end of my time with Tom and for some days John had been talking
about the idea of going to Mexico.
His exact purpose was unclear, but for me I thought it might be a chance to see Tom
in a different environment, and so I thought I'd tag along.
[ Dog barking ]
>> Louis! [laughs]
>> Hey John, how are you doing?
>> You're going to love it.
Let's get ready to go.
>> Where's Tom? >> He's waiting for us.
>> Where? >>At his house.
>> Oh great, so let's go.
>> Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let me get it going.
I've got it all prepared.
I've got-- now Louis, what do you think?
Am I going to be too warm today dressed like this?
I look like a tourist which is what I want to look like instead of like the slick guy like you
that I should be looking like, you know?
>> And why are we interested in seeing Tom in Mexico?
>> You're going to love seeing Tom in Mexico.
>> Why?
>> Well, you're going to see what an international politician does.
Now these are my little medicines here for myself.
>> And he's a racist politician so I suppose it's interesting to see him among--
>> In a racist country.
They will respect him like-- oh they're racist down there.
You didn't know that?
[laughs] Follow me.
>> Hey Louis.
>> He's afraid of getting kidnapped. >> No he isn't.
>> [Laughs] Yes he is.
Every time he goes to Mexico they try to kidnap him.
>> So we'll be in your car?
>> No, we'll be in your car.
>> So what is the plan when we get there?
>> Why don't you tell him the truth?
You just want to get to that whore down there.
That's what you're really saying.
>> I wouldn't refer to a lovely lady like that as a whore.
>> Well if you pay money, she's a whore.
>> [Talking in foreign language] Hello?
Hey did I sent this? It says-- send, sorry.
Dialing. Jesus Christ.
[Music]
[ Talking in foreign language ]
>> Boy that's a mouthful.
>> We're in. >>We're in.
>> Watch it now.
>> Stay in this lane. >>Say in the right lane.
>> Why are you getting in the middle lane?
>> Downtown. Get over to the left, okay?
Jeez, left lane Louis.
>> Boy you got more backseat drivers than you ever had.
>> Right turn here Louis.
[ Music ]
>> I was still curious what form Tom's ambassadorial trip would take and was surprised
when John began directing me to Tijuana's tourist bars.
>> I want a sombrero. I want to buy--
>> I'll take you right-- they're right down there all those shops.
>> Let's go. Yeah
>> Well let's have a drink first. >> Yeah let's get a drink first.
The drinks are right down there too.
[talking in foreign language]
>> Is that her?
Does she recognize you?
[ Talking in foreign language ]
>> Hello, I'm Louis. >> This is Louis.
[ Talking in foreign language ]
What's his name? Geraldo Rivera.
[ Talking in foreign language ]
>> [Inaudible] and I are going to get married one day.
[ Talking in foreign language ]
>> Can we say what it's about?
>> No. Because I don't want to-- who knows what her politics or her--
her celebrity, you know, things are.
She's my girl and she's going to be showing us around.
>> You guys got a documentary following you around or what?
>> Yeah we do. Where you from?
>> Sacramento. >> I used to be the head of the KKK in California.
>> No shit! >> Yeah. And now I come down--
>> What happened? Did you get kicked out or what?
>> No I quit. But anyhow--
>> Well I got something really wild-- I'm skinhead now.
You guys need me in Sacramento. That's a fucked up place.
>> It's all fucked up.
>> No you've got Schwarzenegger--
>> He's going to terminate the-- >> The black nigger right.
Yeah-- >> He's going to terminate the--
>> he's going to fuck-- hey, you think he's going to save us?
Bullshit.
>> I don't know, you sound like a racist to me.
>> I am a racist. What the hell you talking--
>> I'm not a racist. >> You're not a racist?
>> Fuck no I'm not a racist.
>> Don't you want your grandchildren to look like you?
>> I don't give a shit what my grandchildren look like.
>> Oh man! You're killing me!
>> One dollar. It's one dollar, Tom.
Give him a dollar as a tip. Buy me a beer, too.
>> One more, one more. >> One more, one more.
>> It's yours, Tom.
[ Singing ]
>> Come on, sing.
>> The ambassadorial visit was degenerating into a pub crawl.
It had all become rather chaotic.
>> Do I need another hat? >> Rings?
>> I need a bigger hat is what I need. I need a bigger hat.
>> No swastika?
>> Do you have any swastika rings?
>> What?
>> Swastika.
>> Where's Tom? Where's Tom gone?
Several tequilas later we lost Tom in a souvenir shop somewhere.
When he resurfaced, he seemed even more drunk.
He was concerned that he could've been attacked or kidnapped and accused John
of neglecting his security duties.
>> I don't depend on anybody who runs any town.
I depend on my security, and when I walk out of a place and my security's not there--
>> Well, did Louis leave you?
>> You don't seem to understand, John.
>> What I'm trying to tell you is there is certain towns that are run a certain way
and I am totally wired in down here.
>> I don't give a shit how you're wired. I'm wired in to only my own people.
I don't trust anybody else in nobody's town.
Nobody you know.
I trust my friends.
My security next time is coming with me.
>> But I'm telling you, if I can walk around here--
>> My friends are concerned about my security.
>> If I can walk around here with a fucking hat on my head looking like a clown--
>> No but your-- your whole brain's full of pussy.
That's all you're thinking about. >> No it's not.
You think I'm not a racist, I'm just [inaudible].
>> No you're not a racist like I am.
>> I want to make a bet.
I'm going to put my dollar down, okay?
>> He would fuck Matsurat and I wouldn't.
>> Why?
>> She's not white.
I got to go pee.
>> The day was winding to a close and I reflected on Tom's fears of being kidnapped.
I felt this was Tom at his most unguarded
and what struck me was Tom's fantasies of his own importance.
In the car on the way home John made a last attempt
to salvage something from the international trip.
>> Tom, tell us about Mexico, okay?
What do you think about it? Was it fun?
>> I think it's a very interesting place to visit and I think a lot
of Aryans should go there and carve out something like a country.
And that might be something that I'm thinking about.
>> And you know what?
That's exactly what we're all thinking about here.
>> When I saw how well you could get on out there Tom,
it made me think well maybe you'd abandon racism, you know?
Maybe you'd find that you didn't really-- it wasn't something that you needed anymore.
>> Let me answer that. Let me answer that because--
>> [Inaudible] don't understand.
>> Right. Tom is actually-- you don't understand Louis.
It's like-- go through the next, you know-- go up the hill, go up the hill.
Here's what we're going to say.
He doesn't because--
[ Inaudible ]
the Mexican guys--
>> Let Tom answer, John.
>> No I don't want him to answer right now
because it's been a long day and my client is tired.
>> Yeah.
>> He's tired.
He's relaxing now.
Please, you know?
Mary? >> Excuse me.
>> Hi dear. >> It's locked for a reason.
>> We've got one rather drunken gentleman with us.
>> Okay.
>> It was far from the statesman's visit that John had advertised.
I had to keep reminding myself that Tom was supposed to be one
of the most dangerous racists in America.
[ Frog croaking ]
It was my last day with Tom.
For some time I'd been badgering him for a chance to see him at his day job.
>> You stay here. Stay.
Good morning. >> Good morning.
Hello there. >> Friend or foe?
>> Well we haven't worked that out yet have we?
>> Okay. Stay here boy.
>> That's a work in progress.
>> I got to keep my bandit dog back in there.
He's so used to running in the car, sometimes I have to leave him here.
>> Tom's a TV repairman and today he was picking up a TV from one of his most faithful clients.
>> Do you want a hand with that, Tom?
>> Sure. Well wait a minute.
I've got to open up the back door.
>> How are you do-- is it your TV?
>> Yes.
>> And what's the problem?
>> Well it doesn't work too good.
>> So anyway, I have known Tommy for many years.
>> Have you? >> Oh yes.
And I have not found in Fallbrook or in L.A. where I lived many years--
>> Yeah.
>> a man that honest.
>> Yeah. You like him?
>> Oh I like him very much and I can depend on him.
I leave my key so I, that much I trust him.
>> What about, do you know about his politics?
>> Yes. Well, we don't [inaudible] about politics.
[laughs] I know him as a man.
He's got his ideas and I have mine.
>> Yeah.
>> He does not interfere with... He's friend of mine for a long time.
>> How about that?
And what's your-- you sound like you've got a slight accent.
Where are you from originally? >> From Peru.
>> From Peru? >> Yes.
>> Peruvian? >> Yeah.
>> I never asked you that myself.
>> That's true, Tommy!
>> And your name is?
>> Oscar.
>> Now his-- and of course when his wife was alive I-- we used to--
>> We had a big house, remember? >> That's right.
They used to live in a house here on the other side of--
>> Oscar was just saying that as far as politics you kind of agree not to talk about it.
>> Right. [laughs] >> That's right.
>> Exactly. >> That's absolutely right.
>> I respect all the people's ideas.
>> Yeah. >> Yep.
>> Are you all right with that Tom?
You get one side, I'll get the other side. >> No.
>> Oscar believes in free speech. >> [Laughs]
>> Do you know how much he's going to charge yet?
>> [Laughs] No I don't care about that.
>> He don't worry about-- he knows I'll never cheat him.
>> He is the honest-- and the best technician.
>> Would you consider Tom a friend?
>> Yes. Absolutely.
No hesitation.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> And you'd consider Oscar a friend?
>> I believe so, yes.
Yeah. Sure.
It's been a long-- we've had a long association.
>> That's right. >> Yeah.
>> Longer than my girlfriend.
I've only known her 10 years.
>> Oh don't tell Mary that.
[laughs] Yeah.
You're one of the most famous racists in America.
>> Yeah.
>> Maybe the most famous.
And there you were saying that you were friends with this guy who looked to me non-white and--
or at least mixed race-- and it just seemed inconsistent.
I just thought that was kind of weird.
>> Well, maybe you need to be educated in the ways of the world.
>> How do you mean?
I mean, don't you see that as inconsistent?
That you would call-- >> Well--
>> you would say you have a friend in this guy who looks like he was mixed race?
>> Louis is hanging on this friend thing, a very abstract word.
I would not debate the term friend on the man's doorstep.
>> Yeah.
>> Now you and I can debate it and like that.
I don't want to hurt the man's feelings.
>> No but there was more to it than that Tom.
I felt warmth between you.
>> That's just an association, that you know these people.
And common courtesy and politeness. >> Don't you see-- do you really not--
>> You treat them respectfully. >> do you really not see what I'm trying to say?
>> I see what you're trying to say but your brain is twisted.
>> I think your brain is twisted.
>> Well then we agree.
We both agree that we believe each other's brain is twisted.
>> Yeah but the facts are on my side. >> And your brain is going to stay twisted and--
>> You have friends who are non-white and you--
>> I don't have-- >> and you pal around--
>> with people who are non-white and you're living a happy life--
>> I have people--
>> [inaudible] multicultural community.
>> Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I have people--
>> and yet you keep pretending that you're a revolutionary.
>> Whoa, whoa, whoa.
>> But the facts of your existence completely undermine that.
>> Doesn't that totally fit your package?
>> It's the truth though.
>> [Laughs] It is the truth.
>> This is really funny.
>> Your day to day life is a standing refutation of everything you profess to believe.
>> No it's not.
It's not either.
>> It is.
>> Well follow me to a hostile meeting and I'll show you.
They'll be trying to kill me and I may have to try and kill them.
[laughs]
>> I think you're a hypocrite.
>> Okay. All right.
So what? I know what I am.
I don't need Louis Theroux to quantify what I am.
>> As abhorrent as his views were, I found it hard to take Tom totally seriously.
He seemed to like being seen as a dangerous figure,
but was all the while enjoying the fruits of a multiracial democracy.
I felt there was a touch of karaoke about this supposed international politician.
I was still puzzled by John though and thought I'd pay him one last visit
to see if I could pin him down.
We'll look at the cartoons.
>> Okay. How far will niggers go to compound the misery of an unfortunate situation?
How about looting during a major hurricane?
>> Do you fi-- how do you react to that?
>> I don't have any reaction at all.
I just smoked a cigarette.
Can I-- I got-- my mouth is a little dry.
Can I go over to the hose and, you know, get a little water?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah let's go.
Okay, yeah.
>> I don't want to-- do you want to stop doing this, John?
>> No, no, no, no, no.
I want to answer your questions because it's--
>> I mean this is the message that you're--
>> This is what a manager does.
This is what an agent or a manager does.
[ Water splashing ]
>> Cigarettes, yuck!
>> Because this is the message that you're promoting.
>> [Laughs] So how is this going to come out?
Are you going to say that, you know, I'm an asshole because of this magazine?
>> I'd say that to your face.
>> This is my client's-- this is my client's magazine.
>> I'm not trying to make you [inaudible]--
>> A manager that is working for their client is working for their client.
A lawyer that is representing somebody--
>> I think you know-- I mean I think you know that this stuff is obscene and that's why I'm--
>> It's not obscene.
>> I can see the way you talk about it you have a kind of sense of guilt about it.
I honestly can.
I think that's why your mouth went down.
>> [Laughs] Gosh, I love you so much, Louis.
>> I know you kind of have a sense of guilt about it.
I can tell.
I seriously can.
>> You know I have a sense of guilt?
Well Louis, let me tell you something, there is no sense of guilt.
There is a representative's duty--
>> And I think you're only doing it because you had a few bad breaks.
You had your problem with drugs--
>> No no no no no--
>> getting arrested, doing time, and so you can't get other kinds.
>> No.
>> So that's why you're representing--
>> No no no no--
>> Tom.
>> let's deal with this like this.
>> It's because you haven't got other options.
>> No no no no, let me answer your question.
A few bad breaks.
When I went to prison it was the best thing that ever happened to me in the world.
Do you know why?
It taught me what's really going on.
>> Do you think this is the truth, what's in this paper?
>> He's appealing as any political figure to a broad base of many dimensions
of people and he's got skinheads.
He's got this and that.
>> Oh I give up.
>> He's got democratic populists--
>> Every time I ask you a question you kind of go onto a--
>> No I'm telling you what the truth is.
>> No but I asked a simple question and you won't answer it.
>> I'm answering it.
>> Do you think what's in this paper is the truth?
>> What this paper is--
>> You're not-- just please [inaudible]--
>> What this paper is, is--
>> Just say no.
>> Some very hardcore opinions--
>> Why don't you just say no?
>> Because that would not be the truth.
>> Is it wrong or right?
Does this paper tell the truth or is it a pack of racist lies?
>> The paper tells the truth and it tells the truth in a way that appeals
to a certain dimension of his readership.
>> You think this tells the truth?
You really think this tells the truth?
>> Tom Metzger always tells the truth.
So?
>> I was heading back to central California to see April and the twins.
I'd heard that April had booked a studio for Lamb and Lynx to record the first few tracks
of their debut album to be titled "Fragment of the Future".
>> Can we just set the [inaudible]?
[ Music ]
>> This would be my last day among the Nazis and a final chance to challenge April
on her indoctrination of her two daughters.
>> My stickers keep on sliding.
[laughs]
>> Would you like to be skinheads when you grow up?
>> No.
>> Why not?
>> Because you have to shave your head a real weird way.
>> I'm keeping my hair long.
>> And it's not skinhead, it's skinbird.
That's a female skinhead.
>> Would you like to go out with skinheads if you--
you know when you're older and you're ready to start seeing boys?
>> Yes.
>> Sure.
>> Would you?
>> Yes. [laughs]
>> Why?
>> Because.
I would. It's cool.
>> They're very special people.
>> What did Lynx-- what did you say Lynx?
>> They're very special people.
They're important people.
>> Why are they important?
>> Because they're very dedicated to what they believe in.
>> Would you mind that, April?
Would you be cool with that?
>> What, with them dating a skinhead?
>> Yeah and maybe getting married?
>> Yeah if he was a good hard worker
and he wasn't spending his time boozing it up and causing trouble.
>> I don't know many very well but they seem kind of antisocial, some of them.
>> Well see to me they're not.
To me and the girls they're always just so protective
and polite and ultra, ultra polite to us--
>> Really?
>> everywhere we go.
You know whenever we go to concerts or meetings or anything, they're always just bend
over backwards to take care of us.
>> To me they seem kind of-- to me they seem kind of angry and sociopathic.
>> [Laughs] They just don't seem that way to me.
I mean when you see them maybe--
maybe it's because you're just so freaked out when you see people salute.
Maybe that's why.
>> Maybe I'm just not meeting any of the really good ones.
>> Maybe.
>> The marriage material.
>> Hate for hate.
>> And root for root.
>> Eye for eye.
>> And tooth for tooth.
>> Scorn for scorn
>> And smile for smile.
>> Love for love.
>> And guile for guile.
>> War for war.
>> And woe for woe.
>> Blood for blood.
>> And blow for blow.
>> Ooh that's pretty.
>> So do you think you'll go to school one day?
>> Maybe next year when we're ready but right now--
>> Mom says in a year or two.
Maybe.
>> Would you like to?
>> Yeah [inaudible].
>> It'd be okay.
>> I think it'd be fun.
>> And do you know why she doesn't want you to go school now?
>> Yeah. One of the things is because we're having a little bit of money problems.
And we need new clothes.
Like school clothes.
>> You know I didn't realize you have to wear special clothes to school.
I thought your mom didn't want you going to school at the moment because she disagreed
with what they were teaching in school.
>> Also that.
But she wants us to go to high school.
But we may not go.
>> Why are you, why would you like to go to school?
What is it about school that you would like?
>> So we'd get to meet a lot of friends and-- it's kind of boring just sitting home all day
and not-- and all your friends are at school.
And you've got to wait for them.
>> Wait until they get home.
>> [Inaudible] dudes.
>> [Inaudible] this is not the way you treat a book.
Especially one as nice as this.
No. It's new sis.
>> Back at the house and Lamb and Lynx were due to go to a school carnival with some friends.
[music] April had told me that Lamb and Lynx's friends don't know that they're being raised
as racists and I wondered how leading this double life would affect them in the long term.
I knew it was hopeless but I thought I'd try and talk to April.
>> Okay you guys are going now?
>> Are you going?
>> Yes.
>> It's been a pleasure working with you.
>> Yes. Don't [inaudible].
>> Have a nice time at the carnival.
>> Thank you.
>> You should give Louis a hug.
>> Okay, bye.
>> Bye, Shaggy.
[laughs]
>> Bye.
>> Okay bye girls.
>> Have a nice time at the carnival.
>> No no no no no.
I don't like the milk in it.
>> Had-- have you thought about the implications of indoctrinating Lynx and Lamb in this way?
>> Of course I have.
>> And have you had-- have you had second thoughts or misgivings of any kind?
>> I don't want to teach them to be politically correct just because that's the easy way out.
I don't want to tell them--
>> I understand that.
But I don't think that means--
>> Because it's not the easy way.
This is not the easy way.
>> It's not a choice between-- the choice you face is really,
is to bring them up judging people fairly or not.
That's kind of I think what you want to think about.
>> I don't understand how I'm not doing that.
>> You're making it--
>> I think a person--
>> I mean far be it from me to-- I don't have kids so I don't know but--
>> a person who tells their children that all people are created equal and that men
and women are equal, in my mind they're lying to their children.
They're just, they're blatantly lying to their child.
>> Do you realize what a handicap that will be for them in life?
>> No. It won't be.
>> They're going to-- they'll be going through life as-- with this dual mindset which is,
you know, what their mum has told them [inaudible]--
>> They shouldn't have to go through--
>> normal people conduct themselves in the world.
>> They shouldn't have to go through-- well, see, but I believe that we're normal
and that we're correct and that other people are distorted.
So yes I'm, I understand that I'm raising my children in a perverted world,
in a perverted multiculturalist world.
I'm teaching-- I have to teach my children the truth despite the fact
that that's a dangerous thing to be teaching them.
I'm doing something that is very dangerous.
But I can't, could not live with myself if I were
to tell them anything different because it would be a lie.
It's--
>> I think what it's about really--
>> You know?
Don't you think that it's difficult--
>> is judging people based on who they are not your prejudice about who they are.
Kind of giving people a chance.
>> I find other races annoying.
They bother me.
I find them annoying.
I don't like their chattering in other languages.
I don't like to look-- the way they look, you know?
I mean 99% of them I just find the way that they look just really-- they're just not pretty.
They're not attractive to me.
I don't want to be around them.
I don't like the way that they act.
I don't like the way they allow their children to behave.
I don't like the way they deal with situations.
I don't like the fact that they seem
to just make everything messy and dirty wherever they are.
I don't like that.
I don't like to be around them.
I want to be around all white people.
But it's like I feel like I can't be that--
>> Do you ever-- I mean I'm not being facetious but like--
I'm not being facetious but have you ever thought about getting some kind
of therapy or something like that?
Because what you have is like almost like a pathological--
>> Have you ever thought about getting therapy
and maybe realizing how brainwashed you are by multiculturalism?
>> I feel like I'm pretty well connected to reality.
>> Well, see I feel that I am too.
Just, you know?
>> But, but you're outvoted.
>> Huh?
>> But basically you're outvoted.
>> What? Here?
>> In civilized thought, yeah basically.
>> My journey through the world of Nazis had reached a frustrating conclusion
with an argument in a kitchen with a mother of two.
>> Well Louis, it was nice meeting you--
>> I seem to have made no impact on April during my time with her and I had
to keep reminding myself just how anomalous her beliefs actually are.
Somehow it wasn't much consolation when the ones
who would pay the consequences were her children, Lamb and Lynx.
See you later.
>> Bye.
>> Did I ever tell you the thing about Denzel Washington?
>> What about?
>> That Tom said?
>> What'd he say about him?
>> He said that he thinks he's better looking than Denzel Washington.
>> I think Tom is too.
As a matter of fact we're going to make a mug out of Tom's head.
I want to trademark his head.
That, you know, that beautiful head.
>> Like what you would drink out of here?
>> Yeah. [laughs]
>> [Inaudible] you wouldn't enjoy a drink out of that.
>> I sure would.
Oh yeah, man.
>> People like mugs.
>> Oh yeah they love mugs.
>> His head would make a good mug.
>> Oh yeah.
Oh Louis.