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>> One, two, three, four--

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>> I'll just make like a--

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>> four. This is perfect.

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>> I'll just make a square like this.

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>> And then set the other way [inaudible].

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This is what--

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>> [Laughs]

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>> What? Why are you laughing?

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>> [Laughs]

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>> Hey that's easy too!

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>> Okay, do you need music?

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>> Sometimes I wonder if you know kind[br]of know how that stuff comes across?

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>> Mom, it's track 7.

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>> That's a-- that's an ancient[br]Aryan good luck symbol.

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>> Do you care about people's feelings?

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Of course I do.

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I think I'm a pretty empathetic person.

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>> Because I mean irrespective of what[br]the political reality is as you see it,

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as other people see it, there would just[br]be-- there's just a lot of people who--

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>> Oh you mean all the Jews that might be[br]just like really upset at seeing a swastika

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so that they might, you know, be offended and?

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>> Why does that make you[br]want to cause more offense?

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>> I'm not doing-- See I'm not doing[br]it to go cause pain to somebody.

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Just because I find it entertaining[br]to put a swastika on the floor.

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You told me to act normal.

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You told me to do stuff that[br]I would normally have done.

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You know when my kids and I go to the[br]beach, sometimes we draw swastikas

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in the sand and you guys are nowhere around.

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Gee, I wonder why we do that?

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Maybe because we just want to.

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Because we think it's a neat looking symbol.

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You just can't comprehend it.

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But you know what's funny, is[br]I can comprehend how you feel.

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I can understand-- you don't seem to[br]understand how I, my way of thinking,

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but I do somewhat understand your way of[br]thinking because I understand because I used

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to be somewhat of a brainwashed[br]lemming like yourself.

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[pause] no offense.

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[laughs]

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>> None taken.

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[Background music] For several weeks[br]I've been living among a community

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of true believers trying to find the humanity

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in people whose world view is probably the[br]most abhorrent and discredited conceivable.

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But so far, I wasn't having[br]a very easy time of it.

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[ Music ]

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My journey began three weeks[br]earlier in Fallbrook, California,

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a small town half an hour outside San Diego.

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I was on my way to meet one of America's most[br]notorious racists, a Grand Dragon of the KKK

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in the 70's, a congressional candidate[br]in the 80's, and now the leader

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of White Aryan Resistance, a[br]self-styled revolutionary group.

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His name: Tom Metzger.

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[ Frog croaking ]

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[Doorbell] Hello.

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>> Hello.

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>> How are you doing?

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>> Pretty good.

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>> You must be Tom.

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>> And which branch of the[br]government are you from?

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I'm Tom.

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>> I'm from the BBC, the[br]broadcasting arm of the government.

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>> Oh, the heavy duty boys, huh?[br]>>Yeah

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>> Come on in.

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>> Are you Tom's better half?

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>> Yes, I am actually.

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>> Oh yes, she's my better half.

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Yeah.

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>> [Laughs] He doesn't admit that much.

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>> I gotta say that.

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Yeah.

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>> Yes you do.

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Come on coffee.

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>> Do you-- I mean how-- I'm[br]just sort of just starting

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out so I don't really-- I'm[br]not familiar with all--

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>> Sure.

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>> all the terminology and you[br]know the specifics of your politics

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and your world view, but I mean are you a Nazi?

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>> I think I'm more serious[br]than most of the Nazis I've met.

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I'm a pan-Aryanist.

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I believe in white people all[br]over the world sticking together.

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Here's the latest paper.

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>> So this is, the main work you do really is--

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>> Newspaper.

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Internet.

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>> WAR stands for?

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>> White Aryan Resistance.

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>> What have we got there?

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>> Well this is a typical[br]white whore and a black guy.

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>> What is the problem with a white[br]woman going out with a black man?

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>> Most black men are ugly, number one.

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>> You think you're better[br]looking than Denzel Washington?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Do you really?

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>> Oh yeah.

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>> What if that was put to a[br]vote and you were outvoted?

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>> And If I had the money and the[br]power and the deal making movies,

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I'd get 10 times more women than him.

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>> Do you really believe that?

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That seems delusional.

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>> Well, I believe it.

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I don't know whether it's delusional or not.

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Denzel Washington's in there[br]because they have to do that.

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They have to--

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>> But I'm just talking about[br]like just on looks.

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I mean you've got to-- I mean--

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>> Denzel-- you think he's--

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>> You can't really believe that.

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>> Well he's not bad looking.

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He's not as ugly--

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>> Yeah but I mean I think--

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>> he's not as ugly a nigger as most.

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Like Kobe Bryant.

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>> Why did you use that word?

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>> I use it all the time.

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I never used to use it.

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>> Would you not use it around me?

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>> No I'd use it.

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In my home I'll use it.

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If you don't want me to say it in a[br]restaurant or out someplace, I won't.

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But in my home I'll say whatever I want.

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And then it's up to you.

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>> That's your right.

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>> Right.

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>> As a favor to me though.

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>> No. If I decide to say nigger, I'll say it.

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If I don't want to say it, I won't say it.

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That really upsets you don't it?

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>> Mmm, it doesn't really upset me.

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>> Well good then we'll go on.

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Show some more--

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>> [Inaudible] to like makes[br]me think slightly less of you.

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>> Oh that's okay.

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I'm not here to adopt you.

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Well I got a lot of CDs.

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I don't know that I like every one of them but--[br]some of them I probably haven't even played yet.

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There's a lot of skinhead music there.

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Bandit!

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>> That one.

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>> Yeah that's-- hey, leave it alone.

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Yeah.

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>> What is the point of having a[br]lynching of a black man on a CD?

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>> I think it's conveying the[br]message that if a black person is

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out of line, badly, that it's fine.

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They should be lynched.

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But we'll probably let the[br]sheriff or the police do it.

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>> Don't you think that's quite-- don't[br]you think that's quite shocking Mary?

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>> I want them all out of here.

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I don't want to hang one at a time.

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Are you kidding?

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That's too slow.

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We want them all out is what--

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>> Do you really?

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>> Of course.

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We don't need them.

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They're a pain.

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They drag us down.

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But they-- but on the other hand[br]they can have their own nation.

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Their own police.

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Their own military.

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We don't want any part of them.

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They should be happy.

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You know, the blacks are always saying how--

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>> Don't you think that's quite[br]shocking Mary to have a picture

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of a black guy being lynched on a CD?

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>> It's part of history.

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I don't think it's terribly shocking, no.

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>> [Knocking] I think somebody[br]knocked at the door.

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>> Yeah who is it?

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Would that be Lynn?

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>> I don't know.

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She said 4.

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Oh it is 4.

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[laughs] Laurie.

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My long lost little angel.

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>> Who is Laurie, Mary?

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>> She's the youngest daughter.

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>> Okay.

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>> Hello guys.

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>> Hello. How do you do?

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>> This is--

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>> Good. How are you?

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>> I'm Louis.

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>> Nice to meet you.

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>> Nice to meet you.

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What do you do Laurie?

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>> I work at Starbucks.

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>> Do you?

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>> And I go to school.

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>> Do you consider yourself a racist?

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>> No. But I think in everyone's own way that[br]everyone is racist because my whole life,

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you know, all throughout school,[br]kids-- white, black, whatever--

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would hate me because of my last name.

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>> Really?

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>> Yeah. So--

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>> You pointed at me.

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>> No, well I mean--

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>> Well why would they do that?

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>> Not because of you but because, you know--

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>> I never hung any of those kids.

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>> Metzger, ooh.

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You know? Is your dad Tom?

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You know?

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>> Because they'd heard of Tom[br]Metzger as a leading racist and--

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>> You know even now today at work,[br]you know, people talk about me and--

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>> Could you go out with a Jewish guy?

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>> I mean I can.

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I'm of age.

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I can, you know, do my own choices.

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>> How would you feel about that?

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Would you worry about what your dad would think?

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>> Maybe a little but not much.

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I'm not going to ask for his approval.

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[laughs]

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>> That wouldn't make me too happy.

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>> Well I'm not.

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>> I know you're not.

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[laughs]

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>> What would you do then?

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>> Well I would not have a Jew with[br]my daughter in this house, period.

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>> [Inaudible] bespeaks a hatred, really.

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>> No I hate the people who cause me to hate.

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They kill my friends.

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They imprison them for life.

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They give them many more years than[br]they do the common black negro.

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They rape and torture our people.

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>> That is such bull.

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That is so-- that is such bull.

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>> Don't you read the crime statistics[br]in your own country for Christ's sake?

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Don't you read what blacks do in England?

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I do.

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Excuse me.

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>> If I wanted to stay the night at your place,[br]would that be, you know would that be feasible?

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>> I don't think I'd like that.

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>> Really?

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>> I don't feel comfortable with[br]any stranger staying in my home.

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It's nothing personal.

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But we can be pals and go out to lunch and go[br]out and have a beer or something like that.

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I'll even take you out there[br]and I'll sing karaoke to you.

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We can be buddies to that point but it would be[br]sort of weird of me to have a buddy-buddy just

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to be a buddy non-political buddy.

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>> Would it?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Because I mean I don't want[br]to do it in a tokenistic way.

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>> Well at this time it would[br]be a very tokenistic way.

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>> Really?

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>> Yeah.

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>> [Singing] Just to be with you.

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Just to be with you.

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There is nothing that I wouldn't[br]do just to be with you.

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>> It'd been a long and in[br]some ways depressing day.

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I'd found Tom's attitudes exhausting[br]and I was still more confused

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when the karaoke bar he took me to[br]turned out to be largely non-white.

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I could only assume that for Tom, karaoke[br]sometimes took precedence over racism.

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>> [Singing] On the day I was born[br][inaudible] all gathered around.

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They gazed at the wild wonder--

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>> The next day and Tom was taking me to meet[br]his recently hired manager John Malpezzi.

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John was supposedly a showbiz veteran[br]with a long list of Hollywood contacts.

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Exactly why a Nazi needed such a[br]manager was still unclear to me.

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How do you do?

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>> Fine.

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>> You must be John.

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>> And you must be Louis.

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>> Yes I am.

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>> I've been looking forward to[br]meeting you Louis for a long time.

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>> Yeah me too.

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Thank you.

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>> One of the most important things that I do[br]is arranging for his bookings that are outside

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of the country and that are specialized bookings[br][inaudible] the appearances [inaudible].

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We've got a lot of things planned for this year.

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We've got several that are up and coming that[br]you've probably heard of and are invited to.

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And we're looking forward to a very,

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very busy year of raising his profile[br]internationally even more than it is so.

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>> Why?

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>> Why not?

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>> That's his job.

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>> That's my job.

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[laughs]

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>> That's why.

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>> Has John seen the paper that you put out?

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>> Of course.

0:12:32.746,0:12:33.666
>> Yes he's seen it.

0:12:33.666,0:12:34.306
>> Of course.

0:12:34.446,0:12:35.976
>> I don't know how much he's[br]read it but he's seen it.

0:12:41.636,0:12:45.316
Here again I don't grab anybody by[br]the lapels including my manager.

0:12:45.546,0:12:45.626
>> Yeah.

0:12:46.026,0:12:46.316
>> Right.

0:12:46.816,0:12:47.686
>> I don't like that [inaudible].

0:12:47.686,0:12:53.036
>> And remember-- and remember, I'm an[br]adult guy that's been around a long time.

0:12:53.036,0:12:58.566
>> So would it be appropriate to[br]show you [inaudible] you know to--

0:12:59.196,0:13:04.176
>> Now if you're going to read--[br]if you're going to read striking--

0:13:04.446,0:13:08.026
>> Louis, Louis, Louis.

0:13:08.526,0:13:13.106
>> on fire type of stuff and ask do you[br]agree with this, I don't want to go there

0:13:13.106,0:13:16.356
because that's not what this is all about.

0:13:16.356,0:13:19.626
Other people I've known in the past if[br]you would pull that on them and you were

0:13:19.626,0:13:23.206
in their airplane, they'd throw you out[br]of the airplane over the jungle, you know?

0:13:23.206,0:13:23.273
[laughs]

0:13:23.273,0:13:24.736
>> If I did what?

0:13:24.736,0:13:26.106
John? If I did what John?

0:13:27.956,0:13:34.276
>> Well [pause] let's continue okay?

0:13:34.616,0:13:36.506
[laughs] I love this guy.

0:13:36.506,0:13:37.226
>> He is good.

0:13:37.226,0:13:40.816
>> Hey Tom, I hope you sang "Louie[br]Louie" at the karaoke just for Louis.

0:13:40.816,0:13:41.766
>> "Louie, Louie", yeah.

0:13:41.996,0:13:47.826
>> It was all a little bit weird and I[br]still didn't understand how exactly John

0:13:47.826,0:13:48.956
and Tom fit together.

0:13:48.956,0:13:53.786
But I'd heard rumors that John had had a[br]colorful career prior to working with Tom

0:13:53.996,0:13:56.806
and I wondered whether that might[br]help explain their relationship.

0:13:56.866,0:14:01.196
Back at John's house, I seized my moment to ask.

0:14:01.676,0:14:08.076
And was there some-- did you-- you had some[br]sort of a run-in with the authorities and--

0:14:08.076,0:14:11.586
>> Wait a minute, wait a minute, what is this?

0:14:11.586,0:14:11.836
>> What?

0:14:12.446,0:14:12.726
>> Like Louis--

0:14:12.726,0:14:13.516
>> Spent time in--

0:14:13.516,0:14:15.536
>> Didn't you tell him?

0:14:15.536,0:14:16.436
You told him didn't you?

0:14:16.436,0:14:20.396
>> Didn't you spend time in prison, John?

0:14:21.466,0:14:22.286
>> [Laughs] Sure, why not?

0:14:22.286,0:14:22.946
It's all public [inaudible].

0:14:22.946,0:14:23.816
>> What was it that happened?

0:14:23.816,0:14:24.576
>> He's on the run.

0:14:24.576,0:14:25.656
Don't tell anybody.

0:14:26.376,0:14:28.656
>> Right, I'm on the run[br]here openly and notoriously.

0:14:29.006,0:14:31.096
I'd rather not discuss that, you know?

0:14:31.316,0:14:31.506
Come on.

0:14:32.026,0:14:33.546
>> You can't talk about that?

0:14:33.926,0:14:36.366
>> Well let me put it to you this[br]way-- I represented a lot of--

0:14:36.706,0:14:38.576
come on out with it, I'll[br]show you the view boys.

0:14:39.156,0:14:39.766
The view out here.

0:14:41.076,0:14:44.336
I represented a lot of large[br]clients-- as I told you--

0:14:44.406,0:14:47.496
large clients like Pablo Escobar[br]and guys like that, you know?

0:14:48.176,0:14:51.456
>> You were some kind of cocaine--[br]big kingpin cocaine dealer?

0:14:51.886,0:14:52.206
>> I-- me?

0:14:52.366,0:14:53.986
Little old me?

0:14:54.166,0:14:54.736
Oh geez.

0:14:55.756,0:14:56.326
>> Seriously?

0:14:57.646,0:15:01.636
>> See everybody needs an attorney.

0:15:01.636,0:15:03.246
Even guys like Pablo Escobar.

0:15:03.296,0:15:05.326
This is the view here.

0:15:05.386,0:15:06.936
>> And how long did you get?

0:15:06.936,0:15:07.826
What was your sentence?

0:15:07.936,0:15:14.276
>> Well I was looking at 85 years and--

0:15:14.276,0:15:17.766
which would, at that age would[br]have meant a life sentence--

0:15:18.446,0:15:24.036
and we beat it actually and[br]wound up doing 3 1/2.

0:15:24.476,0:15:25.746
And I'm not ashamed to say that.

0:15:25.746,0:15:26.786
>> What was the conviction?

0:15:27.546,0:15:30.756
>> Cocaine trafficking and related charges.

0:15:31.566,0:15:35.466
Today folks, I'm not into that business.

0:15:35.466,0:15:41.246
You know, you have to move on, you know?

0:15:43.266,0:15:45.206
So I do other things.

0:15:48.376,0:15:50.196
>> How long have the two of[br]you been in business together?

0:15:52.506,0:15:55.266
>> Well we've known each other[br]sometime but-- several years--

0:15:55.306,0:15:58.536
but we have not really been in[br]business together very long.

0:15:58.736,0:16:00.146
>> I'd say about a year or so, you know?

0:16:01.176,0:16:01.296
>> Yeah. Yeah.

0:16:02.526,0:16:03.416
>> Couple of months you said.

0:16:06.206,0:16:11.566
>> Well you see it crosses over from friendship[br]to business and it gets a little blurry.

0:16:11.926,0:16:14.566
>> Yeah. I know you like to stay with people.

0:16:14.646,0:16:15.656
You're a nice guy.

0:16:15.906,0:16:17.136
Tom's house is his house.

0:16:17.706,0:16:22.246
My mother is, you know, she's, you know, back[br]from the hospital in the next day or two.

0:16:22.246,0:16:27.206
If you're still around, you know it'd[br]be my pleasure to host you Louis.

0:16:27.206,0:16:27.336
>> Really?

0:16:27.336,0:16:29.606
>> I like you-- no I like you as a person

0:16:29.606,0:16:32.126
and I don't think you're as[br]sneaky as you think you are.

0:16:32.126,0:16:34.126
You know I think you're a[br]real nice guy, you know?

0:16:35.416,0:16:36.746
So, other questions?

0:16:36.746,0:16:37.746
>> Would that be okay with you Tom?

0:16:37.956,0:16:38.566
>> I don't care.

0:16:38.926,0:16:40.416
John is his own man.

0:16:40.706,0:16:42.086
All of my people are that way.

0:16:42.086,0:16:43.606
They do what they decide to do--

0:16:43.606,0:16:46.106
>> Because we were hoping to[br]stay over with you maybe but--

0:16:46.376,0:16:46.443
>> No.

0:16:46.816,0:16:47.216
>> There's no-- no.

0:16:47.216,0:16:48.406
>> That's not going to happen.

0:16:48.576,0:16:49.266
>> You thinking about it?

0:16:49.766,0:16:51.746
>> No. Nope.

0:16:53.046,0:16:54.046
Wouldn't even consider it.

0:16:55.096,0:16:58.936
>> And remember Louis, every[br]guy that I ever got--

0:16:59.756,0:17:03.806
>> Who John was and how much of what he said[br]I could believe was still all rather vague

0:17:03.806,0:17:05.925
to me and possibly to him too.

0:17:06.445,0:17:10.626
But it seemed clear that Tom trusted him[br]and I was intrigued by their relationship.

0:17:10.796,0:17:11.276
>> Isn't he?

0:17:11.276,0:17:20.326
>> Some days later and Tom was[br]booked to speak at a skinhead rally.

0:17:20.896,0:17:23.606
For him to make a public[br]appearance was quite a rarity.

0:17:24.036,0:17:27.856
Usually he confined himself to his[br]internet chat room and his phone lines.

0:17:27.976,0:17:31.186
I was curious to meet a few[br]of his supporters face to face

0:17:31.646,0:17:34.776
so a few days before the big[br]event I decided to visit one

0:17:34.776,0:17:37.406
of the organizers, a skinhead named Skip.

0:17:37.556,0:17:42.366
How are you doing?

0:17:42.366,0:17:42.686
>> [Heavy Metal] Good.

0:17:42.686,0:17:43.216
Good morning.

0:17:43.446,0:17:44.306
>> Should we come in?

0:17:44.306,0:17:44.656
>> Come aboard.

0:17:53.626,0:17:54.516
>> Skip, I'm Louis.

0:17:54.726,0:17:55.026
>> I know.

0:17:55.276,0:17:55.636
>> Yeah.

0:17:55.636,0:17:56.076
>> I remember.

0:17:56.076,0:17:56.356
>> Yeah.

0:17:56.566,0:17:56.956
>> Good morning.

0:17:57.286,0:17:57.826
>> Good morning.

0:17:57.826,0:17:58.746
How are you doing?

0:17:58.936,0:17:59.866
>> Good.

0:17:59.966,0:18:01.206
>> Got a little cut?

0:18:01.206,0:18:01.346
>> Yeah.

0:18:01.406,0:18:02.036
>> What happened?

0:18:02.036,0:18:02.746
>> Little cut at work.

0:18:02.916,0:18:03.506
Went right through the lip.

0:18:04.256,0:18:04.486
>> Ouch.

0:18:05.016,0:18:05.436
>> Good stuff.

0:18:05.926,0:18:07.456
>> Introduce us to your family will you?

0:18:07.996,0:18:09.816
>> Hi guys, how are you?

0:18:09.816,0:18:10.346
>> How are you doing?

0:18:10.346,0:18:10.966
>> Sydney.

0:18:11.116,0:18:13.406
Sydney, come here.

0:18:13.406,0:18:14.496
>> [Inaudible] meet the family.

0:18:14.496,0:18:16.786
>> Come here Sydney.

0:18:18.356,0:18:21.236
Come on. This is my youngest Sydney.

0:18:21.366,0:18:21.666
>> Sydney.

0:18:22.636,0:18:23.996
>> This is number two, Rhiannon.

0:18:24.696,0:18:25.326
>> Hi Rhiannon.

0:18:25.326,0:18:27.176
>> And this is number one, Kearney.

0:18:27.436,0:18:28.176
>> Hi Kearney.

0:18:28.226,0:18:29.236
>> My lovely wife, Heather.

0:18:29.316,0:18:29.526
>> Hi.

0:18:29.526,0:18:30.516
>> Hi Heather.

0:18:30.516,0:18:31.536
>> My baby brother, Lenny.

0:18:31.766,0:18:32.256
>> Lenny.

0:18:32.336,0:18:32.716
>> How are you?

0:18:32.716,0:18:33.046
Manny.

0:18:33.156,0:18:33.576
>> Good. Lenny.

0:18:33.656,0:18:33.986
>> Lenny.

0:18:33.986,0:18:34.356
>> Lenny?

0:18:34.586,0:18:34.956
>> Yeah.

0:18:35.156,0:18:35.926
>> Baby brother.

0:18:36.056,0:18:36.236
>> Yeah.

0:18:36.236,0:18:36.696
>> Baby brother.

0:18:36.966,0:18:38.036
>> Baby brother.

0:18:38.036,0:18:38.126
>> Right.

0:18:38.666,0:18:39.196
>> Good stuff.

0:18:39.266,0:18:40.056
>> Yeah, good stuff.

0:18:40.056,0:18:41.376
>> Well welcome to paradise.

0:18:41.546,0:18:43.206
>> Yeah. So this is where you live?

0:18:43.206,0:18:43.816
>> This is where I live.

0:18:43.816,0:18:44.596
This is where it all happens.

0:18:44.596,0:18:45.616
>> This is where we do it all.

0:18:45.666,0:18:45.886
Yeah.

0:18:46.016,0:18:47.086
>> It's where the magic happens.

0:18:49.536,0:18:51.296
>> Watch these cats don't come running out.

0:18:51.866,0:18:54.006
We're going in.

0:18:54.856,0:18:57.716
It's just a regular house.

0:18:57.716,0:18:58.066
You know what I mean?

0:18:58.066,0:18:59.986
It don't look nothing like the[br]garage just because I'm a--

0:18:59.986,0:19:05.506
you know what I mean, I am[br]responsible too at the same time.

0:19:05.506,0:19:05.736
>> Yeah.

0:19:05.736,0:19:06.496
>> But this is our kitchen.

0:19:06.496,0:19:07.376
This is where we eat.

0:19:07.376,0:19:10.236
>> What do you-- you are a-- I mean[br]would you call yourself a skinhead?

0:19:10.436,0:19:10.606
>> You bet.

0:19:10.606,0:19:10.916
>> Yeah.

0:19:10.966,0:19:13.266
>> Fuck yeah I've been a skinhead since '83.

0:19:13.826,0:19:16.946
>> And you know we've been making[br]a documentary about Tom Metzger

0:19:18.046,0:19:20.816
and do you regard him-- how do you view him?

0:19:21.356,0:19:24.636
>> As a good man.

0:19:25.006,0:19:25.806
A good patriot.

0:19:26.396,0:19:29.406
He's done a lot for a long time.

0:19:29.406,0:19:31.606
Done a lot of good for the young guys.

0:19:32.106,0:19:34.856
I've been following him since like '83.

0:19:34.936,0:19:36.916
You know every move, all the skinheads.

0:19:36.916,0:19:40.756
He's done a lot of good.

0:19:40.976,0:19:41.976
Yeah he's a good patriot.

0:19:42.456,0:19:44.406
>> Would you consider yourself white racist too?

0:19:44.906,0:19:46.676
>> Yeah, definitely.

0:19:46.676,0:19:46.766
>> Yeah.

0:19:47.376,0:19:47.956
>> And Nancy?

0:19:47.956,0:19:51.786
You don't look like-- you're not--

0:19:51.786,0:19:54.706
>> We're not big conversationalists.

0:19:54.706,0:19:54.916
[laughs]

0:19:54.916,0:19:55.146
>> Yeah.

0:19:55.626,0:19:56.776
>> [Inaudible] little bit of a--

0:19:56.776,0:19:58.396
>> But she seemed on the fence with that.

0:19:58.626,0:19:59.656
You seemed a little on the fence there.

0:19:59.656,0:19:59.976
>> On the fence?

0:20:00.836,0:20:01.136
>> Yeah.

0:20:01.326,0:20:02.006
>> Like you're not?

0:20:02.006,0:20:03.676
>> No. I think you're on the fence, dude.

0:20:04.456,0:20:04.696
>> Yeah.

0:20:05.236,0:20:05.516
>> Yeah.

0:20:05.736,0:20:09.056
>> I'm on the me- I mean I'm the media.

0:20:09.056,0:20:14.156
I don't come, you know I don't come--[br]I'm not sort of like disguising--

0:20:14.316,0:20:16.696
>> I'm just saying that's like an[br]insult to say someone's on the fence.

0:20:16.696,0:20:17.176
>> Really?

0:20:17.176,0:20:17.386
>> Yeah.

0:20:18.316,0:20:18.666
>> Why?

0:20:18.666,0:20:20.326
>> In our group, probably.

0:20:20.466,0:20:22.136
>> Because, get off the fence,[br]you know what I mean?

0:20:22.136,0:20:22.246
>> Yeah.

0:20:22.406,0:20:22.906
>> Pick a side.

0:20:22.906,0:20:24.636
Be there. You know what I mean?

0:20:24.636,0:20:26.376
That's what it's all about.

0:20:26.376,0:20:27.586
>> I didn't mean to insult you Nancy.

0:20:27.586,0:20:28.216
I apologize.

0:20:28.216,0:20:28.616
>> I understand.

0:20:29.276,0:20:35.056
>> So if I told you I was Jewish,[br]would that create a problem between us?

0:20:35.746,0:20:38.296
>> Well because you've got the camera[br]right now I'd allow you to stay.

0:20:38.296,0:20:41.336
If not I'd probably kick your ass[br]and put you in the street somewhere.

0:20:42.626,0:20:43.056
>> For real?

0:20:43.596,0:20:45.976
>> Pretty much, because a Jew[br]wouldn't be here on my property.

0:20:47.336,0:20:47.886
>> Are you Jewish?

0:20:47.886,0:20:50.616
>> Do you mind if I don't answer that?

0:20:50.616,0:20:54.316
>> [Laughs] [Inaudible] with[br]the camera-- are you?

0:20:54.316,0:20:54.626
[laughs]

0:20:54.626,0:20:56.426
>> Classic.

0:20:56.676,0:20:58.096
>> Is it my turn?

0:20:58.126,0:20:59.376
>> That was so classic.

0:20:59.376,0:21:00.856
>> That's not-- I'm not saying yes or no.

0:21:02.496,0:21:03.776
>> So you're on the fence?

0:21:03.916,0:21:04.226
[laughter] Right?

0:21:06.526,0:21:08.316
You're on the fence.

0:21:08.316,0:21:09.096
>> I tell you why.

0:21:09.096,0:21:14.246
I'm not a racist and I don't-- I think it's--[br]I actually think it's wrong to be a racist.

0:21:14.666,0:21:20.346
And so I feel as though by, you know by[br]saying whether I'm Jewish or not I'm kind

0:21:20.896,0:21:23.986
of in a way acknowledging the[br]premise that it really matters

0:21:23.986,0:21:24.976
when I think it shouldn't, and it doesn't.

0:21:25.516,0:21:31.826
[ Background conversation ]

0:21:32.326,0:21:35.176
>> I wasn't sure how long[br]I'd be welcome at the house

0:21:35.486,0:21:38.106
but I thought I'd enjoy it while it lasted.

0:21:38.406,0:21:42.856
As the afternoon passed, I could almost have[br]convinced myself that I was feeling relaxed,

0:21:43.646,0:21:45.956
but something was still bothering Skip.

0:21:46.576,0:21:47.616
>> How about that?

0:21:50.756,0:21:52.526
Louis is a jew.

0:21:52.526,0:21:54.076
We already know it.[br]I already know it.

0:21:54.086,0:21:54.986
You're a Jew.

0:21:55.206,0:21:56.836
That's why you've got so much animosity.

0:21:56.836,0:21:57.286
>> Okay--

0:21:57.466,0:21:58.216
>> That's why you have so much--

0:21:58.216,0:22:01.106
>> We shouldn't say you don't look like a Jew.

0:22:01.106,0:22:02.756
>> You're a Jew.

0:22:03.816,0:22:05.296
You're part Jewish.

0:22:05.296,0:22:09.376
>> And don't not say I'm not because[br]you think somebody's going to beat you

0:22:09.376,0:22:11.006
up because it's not like that with us.

0:22:11.006,0:22:13.846
>> Why do you care how-- why will it make[br]any difference to you whether I am or not?

0:22:13.846,0:22:15.596
>> Because I like to know[br]who's been in my house.

0:22:15.596,0:22:17.966
>> We don't care as in the fact like-- we[br]don't care if you're a Jew, a Christian,

0:22:17.966,0:22:19.416
fucking spick Mexican, whatever, Nigger.

0:22:19.416,0:22:21.146
>> [Inaudible] you have a big[br]nose, you are kind of greasy.

0:22:21.146,0:22:22.446
You do look kind of Jewish.

0:22:22.446,0:22:24.456
You've got an accent like these lads.

0:22:24.456,0:22:26.296
He's not Jewish, I'll tell you that right now.

0:22:26.296,0:22:26.796
>> Look at his face.

0:22:26.796,0:22:27.526
You know he's not Jewish.

0:22:27.526,0:22:28.426
>> He's not Jewish.

0:22:28.426,0:22:31.916
>> But you, frankly, we look at your[br]face-- but we would like to know--

0:22:31.916,0:22:34.076
we want to know if you're a fucking Jew.

0:22:34.076,0:22:39.776
And if we let you into our house to film our[br]fucking everyday ritual, are you a fucking Jew?

0:22:39.776,0:22:40.326
>> Even if you are--

0:22:40.386,0:22:43.516
>> I don't feel as though-- I mean, maybe you[br]disagree, I don't I feel as though I've kind

0:22:43.516,0:22:44.976
of compelled you to say anything.

0:22:44.976,0:22:45.516
>> No you--

0:22:45.516,0:22:45.583
>> No.

0:22:45.583,0:22:47.626
>> I feel as though I've been respectful and--

0:22:47.626,0:22:47.946
>> You have.

0:22:47.946,0:22:49.206
>> I appreciate that you've[br]let us into your house.

0:22:49.206,0:22:51.946
>> I'm not even debating the fact that you've[br]been respectful to my house and to my people.

0:22:52.016,0:22:54.806
>> So and I don't think I would, honestly don't[br]think I would interrogate you to the point

0:22:54.806,0:22:56.326
where if you said I don't want to talk

0:22:56.326,0:23:00.796
about that I would say okay that's[br]fine, we'll talk about something else.

0:23:00.796,0:23:02.536
So I'd like you to respect me in the same way.

0:23:02.536,0:23:04.196
>> [Inaudible] can we turn[br]the camera off for a second?

0:23:05.326,0:23:05.766
>> Can we?

0:23:05.766,0:23:06.546
>> Pull the plug?

0:23:06.546,0:23:07.906
>> Pull the plug for a second?

0:23:08.506,0:23:08.946
>> What for?

0:23:09.746,0:23:10.956
>> Nothing crazy.

0:23:10.956,0:23:12.156
[laughs] Don't get all fucking alarmed.

0:23:12.236,0:23:13.276
>> No no no, I know it's fine.

0:23:13.426,0:23:15.946
>> Just prefer to talk to not feel[br]like we're being filmed about it.

0:23:15.946,0:23:17.646
>> No I really, I would really rather not say.

0:23:17.646,0:23:19.086
>> I would really rather you tell me.

0:23:19.906,0:23:22.296
I've exposed myself.

0:23:22.296,0:23:24.516
I've exposed my family.

0:23:24.556,0:23:28.996
I've exposed my brothers,[br]my sisters, and my children.

0:23:29.506,0:23:31.636
Expose yourself now.

0:23:31.676,0:23:35.886
>> I'll answer any-- I'll--[br]let's leave it at that.

0:23:35.886,0:23:36.956
Can we please, Skip?

0:23:36.956,0:23:41.096
>> We will in just a second.

0:23:42.356,0:23:45.146
>> Let's go inside.

0:23:45.436,0:23:47.206
Go inside.

0:23:50.686,0:23:53.696
>> I thought it was time to leave.

0:23:55.016,0:24:02.246
It was the day of the skinhead[br]rally and I was back at Tom's.

0:24:03.036,0:24:04.906
Nice to see you today.

0:24:04.986,0:24:06.566
>> Good. You look nice.

0:24:06.566,0:24:07.216
>> Thank you.

0:24:07.216,0:24:07.606
So do you.

0:24:07.606,0:24:11.266
>> Tom is I think getting[br]the final objects together.

0:24:11.656,0:24:12.696
Finish loading up the car.

0:24:13.376,0:24:14.246
>> The final what together?

0:24:14.496,0:24:15.076
>> Objects.

0:24:15.076,0:24:15.556
>> Objects.

0:24:15.616,0:24:16.486
>> Stuff to take.

0:24:16.486,0:24:17.406
>> Are you in there Tom?

0:24:17.796,0:24:20.516
>> Yo, yo, yo, are you ready[br]to go to the hatenanny?

0:24:20.886,0:24:20.953
Huh?

0:24:21.186,0:24:23.506
>> Is that what they call it?

0:24:23.506,0:24:24.546
>> The Hatenanny.

0:24:27.816,0:24:31.266
>> With a certain amount of trepidation[br]I was returning to Skip's place

0:24:31.586,0:24:36.076
for an all day white power music event at[br]which Tom would be the keynote speaker.

0:24:37.976,0:24:42.746
I still hadn't seen Tom among fellow racists[br]and I was curious how he would be received.

0:24:43.376,0:24:44.286
>> Is this it in here?

0:24:44.576,0:24:45.446
>> Second house on the left.

0:24:45.526,0:24:46.536
Yeah this is it.

0:24:50.636,0:24:51.286
>> Second house.

0:24:51.806,0:24:51.926
Left.

0:24:55.226,0:24:55.506
>> Hi.

0:24:55.796,0:24:56.286
>> How are you doing?

0:24:56.766,0:24:59.446
>> Tom Metzger for Tommy Romero.

0:24:59.446,0:25:00.626
You got a walkie talkie?

0:25:00.626,0:25:03.646
>> No, actually the dude[br]that just had it walked off.

0:25:04.566,0:25:05.316
>> Where do I park?

0:25:05.696,0:25:09.026
>> You can just pull down the back.

0:25:11.126,0:25:12.496
>> Okay.

0:25:12.496,0:25:14.146
>> Hi Tom.

0:25:14.146,0:25:17.006
>> Tom had told me he speaks at[br]one or two rallies a year and that

0:25:17.006,0:25:19.516
by skinhead standards, this was a major event.

0:25:21.316,0:25:22.906
>> Hi. How are you doing?

0:25:22.906,0:25:27.016
>> [Inaudible] do you want to[br]take a picture of me, with me?

0:25:27.246,0:25:27.536
>> Yeah, sure.

0:25:27.726,0:25:28.886
>> [Inaudible] get a picture taken.

0:25:29.706,0:25:30.226
>> Thank you.

0:25:30.586,0:25:31.506
>> Okay. Who [inaudible]?

0:25:32.116,0:25:35.996
>> I was hoping that Tom would be my[br]guide through what promised to be,

0:25:36.056,0:25:38.096
for me, a pretty strange experience.

0:25:38.236,0:25:42.816
But with a public to meet, Tom no longer[br]seemed to view me as a top priority.

0:25:43.226,0:25:47.846
As a member of the supposedly Jewish run[br]media, I suspected he found my presence

0:25:47.846,0:25:49.806
in his entourage a little embarrassing.

0:25:49.806,0:25:51.466
>> It was a good turnout huh?

0:25:51.686,0:25:53.776
>> Yeah.

0:25:54.206,0:25:54.296
>> [Inaudible] good.

0:25:55.416,0:25:59.356
>> Any of you guys want to talk[br]about Tom at all for the documentary?

0:25:59.356,0:25:59.976
>> What's that?

0:25:59.976,0:26:02.946
>> You want to, any of you guys want to[br]talk about Tom for the documentary at all?

0:26:02.946,0:26:03.846
>> I got to go back here.

0:26:04.146,0:26:05.866
>> I don't talk to [inaudible].

0:26:06.426,0:26:12.126
>> I felt like the school kid no[br]one wanted to be friends with.

0:26:12.126,0:26:13.906
And then the next act came onstage.

0:26:14.516,0:26:24.896
[ Singing ]

0:26:25.396,0:26:27.976
>> This was the first time I saw[br]the singing duo Lamb and Lynx.

0:26:28.516,0:26:50.516
[ Singing ]

0:26:51.516,0:26:57.566
[ Cheering ]

0:26:58.066,0:27:02.376
>> Can you hear me out there?

0:27:02.576,0:27:03.176
>> Yeah!

0:27:03.176,0:27:03.426
>> There's Tom.

0:27:03.426,0:27:05.016
>> Hello, it's good to be[br]here among all of you racists.

0:27:05.016,0:27:07.026
Now I'll start you out okay?

0:27:07.726,0:27:08.556
Nigger nigger nigger!

0:27:08.556,0:27:14.896
Out out out!

0:27:14.956,0:27:15.776
Nigger nigger nigger!

0:27:16.066,0:27:21.056
Out out out!

0:27:21.206,0:27:22.886
This is revolution!

0:27:22.886,0:27:23.616
Revolution!

0:27:23.846,0:27:24.466
Revolution!

0:27:24.466,0:27:25.866
Just keep your powder dry boys.

0:27:25.866,0:27:26.756
Don't waste yourself.

0:27:26.756,0:27:27.746
Don't jump too soon.

0:27:27.746,0:27:28.156
Just wait.

0:27:28.156,0:27:29.456
Wait until they come out.

0:27:29.456,0:27:31.086
Let them get right out there.

0:27:31.636,0:27:31.996
>> Oh yeah!

0:27:31.996,0:27:35.036
>> Oh boy, I can hardly wait.

0:27:35.196,0:27:39.246
I've always said I wouldn't leave California[br]because this is going to be the start

0:27:39.246,0:27:41.266
of the second American Civil War--

0:27:41.266,0:27:41.576
>> Yeah! [cheering]

0:27:41.576,0:27:46.276
>> right here in California.

0:27:46.576,0:27:48.596
White revolution!

0:27:50.976,0:27:55.236
>> White revolution!

0:27:55.266,0:27:55.656
>> White revolution!

0:27:55.686,0:27:56.076
>> White revolution!

0:27:56.106,0:27:56.496
>> White revolution!

0:27:56.526,0:27:56.736
Thank you.

0:27:56.766,0:27:56.976
Thank you.

0:27:57.516,0:28:04.066
[ Dog barking ]

0:28:04.566,0:28:05.166
>> Come on in.

0:28:05.416,0:28:05.946
>> Thank you.

0:28:06.436,0:28:08.796
>> I'm having my morning popsicles.

0:28:09.206,0:28:11.436
Do you like popsicles?

0:28:11.436,0:28:13.266
>> I do. How are you doing?

0:28:13.666,0:28:16.186
>> I'm a little tired but I'm okay.

0:28:16.396,0:28:19.396
>> Kind of morning after feeling?

0:28:19.676,0:28:21.716
>> Yeah a little bit but I got in early.

0:28:22.026,0:28:24.386
>> How late did you stay there?

0:28:25.536,0:28:27.546
>> We left about nine I guess.

0:28:28.666,0:28:29.976
Have a popsicle.

0:28:31.326,0:28:32.736
Everybody needs a popsicle.

0:28:34.296,0:28:35.116
>> Is Mary around?

0:28:35.506,0:28:36.936
>> Mary fled the scene.

0:28:36.936,0:28:39.796
She says I can't take it anymore.

0:28:39.796,0:28:40.206
>> Did she?

0:28:40.206,0:28:41.036
>> No she didn't.

0:28:41.476,0:28:44.066
She had things to do, you know?

0:28:44.186,0:28:46.956
I usually don't drag her around[br]all over the country too much.

0:28:48.146,0:28:49.496
>> Did she enjoy it?

0:28:49.656,0:28:49.916
>> Yeah.

0:28:50.876,0:28:53.106
>> Shall we go outside for a bit?

0:28:53.106,0:28:54.136
It's very nice out.

0:28:54.856,0:28:56.276
>> I have to put my shoes on.

0:28:56.486,0:28:56.816
>> Do you?

0:28:56.886,0:28:57.326
>> Um hum.

0:28:58.726,0:29:00.526
>> What is it you like about the skinheads?

0:29:01.156,0:29:04.086
>> I like about them because[br]they're not hypocritical.

0:29:04.086,0:29:05.026
They're out in the open.

0:29:05.026,0:29:05.966
They are what they are.

0:29:05.966,0:29:06.836
They love what they are.

0:29:06.836,0:29:08.766
And they don't give a damn what anybody thinks.

0:29:09.176,0:29:11.886
But they are strong racist, and we need them.

0:29:12.446,0:29:14.306
>> Don't they turn off a lot of the public?

0:29:14.306,0:29:18.416
>> A lot of the public doesn't[br]mean a damn to us.

0:29:18.496,0:29:21.486
Do you realize we're not trying[br]to recruit the general public?

0:29:21.786,0:29:24.076
What would we do with them if we had them?

0:29:24.236,0:29:28.816
They sit on their ass watching[br]television 20 hours a day.

0:29:29.036,0:29:31.516
They're feeding their mouth full of crap.

0:29:31.706,0:29:33.946
All they want to do is go out and buy, buy, buy.

0:29:33.946,0:29:35.836
What good would they be to us?

0:29:35.936,0:29:38.336
We're talking about revolutionary activity.

0:29:38.626,0:29:43.056
We want the leaders out there in[br]the public but not the public.

0:29:44.026,0:29:47.556
We're trying to reach those people out[br]there that really know what's cooking.

0:29:48.516,0:29:53.556
[ Music ]

0:29:54.056,0:29:58.606
>> I sensed Tom and I needed a break[br]from each other and so I decided to drive

0:29:58.606,0:30:03.326
up to central California to meet the two little[br]girls I'd seen at the rally, Lamb and Lynx,

0:30:03.716,0:30:04.966
and their manager and mother, April.

0:30:05.516,0:30:26.576
[ Music ]

0:30:27.076,0:30:27.796
>> Hello.

0:30:27.796,0:30:27.946
>> Hello.

0:30:27.946,0:30:29.256
>> You must be April?

0:30:29.336,0:30:29.496
>> Yes.

0:30:29.966,0:30:30.946
>> Nice to see you again.

0:30:31.936,0:30:33.616
Remember we met at the rally.

0:30:33.696,0:30:34.546
>> Yes, yes I did.

0:30:34.546,0:30:35.436
>> Shall we come in?

0:30:35.436,0:30:35.526
>> Yes.

0:30:35.526,0:30:37.546
>> Which one's Lynx and which one's Lamb?

0:30:37.716,0:30:38.176
>> I'm Lamb.

0:30:38.176,0:30:38.926
>> Hi Lamb.

0:30:39.086,0:30:41.636
>> And the one back there is Lynx.

0:30:41.636,0:30:41.756
>> Hello.

0:30:41.756,0:30:42.706
>> And I'm Louis.

0:30:43.076,0:30:44.186
So very pleased to meet you.

0:30:44.296,0:30:44.696
Nice to meet you.

0:30:44.696,0:30:45.436
>> Remember him on Saturday?

0:30:45.436,0:30:49.946
>> Maybe we can do a, sort of a recital later.

0:30:49.946,0:30:50.506
Something like that.

0:30:50.706,0:30:51.656
>> Yeah. Yeah I think that would be good.

0:30:51.656,0:31:01.116
>> [Singing] I want to tell you about South[br]Africa, and the so-called fight for freedom,

0:31:01.116,0:31:05.066
the much praised black resistance,[br]and the communists who lead them.

0:31:05.066,0:31:11.266
Not too far away in Angola,[br]or nearer home in Zimbabwe,

0:31:11.676,0:31:18.926
the Marxist backed dictators are looking south[br]in fear to see strikeforce, white survival,

0:31:18.926,0:31:31.886
strikeforce, yeah, strikeforce, kill all[br]rivals, strikeforce, into the devil's lair.

0:31:33.086,0:31:36.596
>> Do they, they don't seem old enough[br]to really know what that's about.

0:31:37.006,0:31:38.306
>> Well I've explained to it some.

0:31:38.306,0:31:38.916
What's the ANC?

0:31:38.986,0:31:43.606
>> It's African National-- African National--

0:31:44.646,0:31:45.276
>> Congress.

0:31:45.276,0:31:45.746
>> Congress.

0:31:46.336,0:31:51.636
>> Okay. And what happened in South Africa?

0:31:52.126,0:31:55.996
>> That the blacks are killing whites.

0:31:56.366,0:31:57.066
>> Yeah.

0:31:58.586,0:32:00.956
>> Out of their homes.

0:32:01.896,0:32:03.756
>> Out of their homes.

0:32:03.756,0:32:05.106
>> And in Zimbabwe.

0:32:05.106,0:32:08.876
>> And in-- yeah in zabwe-- binzabwe--

0:32:08.876,0:32:09.516
>> Zimbabwe.

0:32:09.616,0:32:14.876
>> I mean they seem a little young to get[br]into politics and racial issues maybe.

0:32:14.876,0:32:19.466
>> Yeah but they've got to start sometime.

0:32:20.756,0:32:21.666
>> How old are they?

0:32:21.856,0:32:22.436
>> They're 11.

0:32:22.796,0:32:23.316
>> They're 11.

0:32:23.966,0:32:29.286
What is the idea behind creating[br]this group out of them that sings?

0:32:29.286,0:32:32.126
>> I think that Lamb and Lynx's[br]music and their appeal especially

0:32:32.126,0:32:35.976
as they just get a little bit older, they're[br]going to be an example and they're going

0:32:35.976,0:32:42.966
to show being-- how being proud of your race[br]is something that would be very appealing

0:32:43.036,0:32:45.026
to young teenage girls, you know?

0:32:45.026,0:32:50.086
I mean what young man-- red[br]blooded American boy isn't going

0:32:50.086,0:32:58.446
to find two blonde twins 16 years old singing[br]about white pride and pride in your race-- who--

0:32:58.736,0:33:00.976
very few are not going to[br]find that very appealing.

0:33:01.556,0:33:06.926
>> So what-- I'm just curious about[br]how-- what school do they go to?

0:33:06.926,0:33:07.736
What school do you go to?

0:33:07.736,0:33:08.226
>> We home school.

0:33:08.496,0:33:09.016
>> We home school.

0:33:09.276,0:33:10.046
>> You home school?

0:33:10.406,0:33:11.406
So who teaches you?

0:33:11.566,0:33:12.896
>> My mama.

0:33:14.796,0:33:18.326
>> Mom. There you go.

0:33:18.326,0:33:18.736
Okay.

0:33:18.736,0:33:22.316
>> Okay who wants what?

0:33:22.446,0:33:23.746
Bologna, ham, or salami?

0:33:23.746,0:33:26.586
>> So where is the, is there[br]a man of the house April?

0:33:26.956,0:33:35.526
>> Yeah there's my fiancee and he declined to[br]be shown on camera because of his occupation.

0:33:35.526,0:33:41.986
He's worried he-- we have the same belief[br]system and he's very supportive of everything

0:33:42.316,0:33:45.996
but he actually, he'd love[br]to appear but he worries

0:33:45.996,0:33:49.026
that it would cause him to[br]lose his job and it would--

0:33:49.386,0:33:50.136
>> What does he do?

0:33:50.266,0:33:52.476
>> He's an educator.

0:33:54.046,0:33:58.046
Would you like tomato with it too?

0:33:58.526,0:34:00.916
>> Are there things that they're[br]forbidden that other kids have?

0:34:01.786,0:34:02.976
Things that you deny them?

0:34:03.976,0:34:04.776
>> Gameboys.

0:34:04.776,0:34:05.136
We don't--

0:34:05.526,0:34:09.676
>> Yeah I don't-- I'm not much for[br]the Nintendo, computer game stuff.

0:34:09.676,0:34:10.056
I'm not--

0:34:10.056,0:34:11.246
>> People get so caught up.

0:34:11.326,0:34:13.596
>> What about on racial terms though?

0:34:13.596,0:34:16.386
>> Oh we've got Ethnic Cleansing but[br]that's-- we don't play that very often.

0:34:16.386,0:34:16.706
>> What's that?

0:34:16.706,0:34:18.406
Is that a-- what's that?

0:34:18.406,0:34:21.755
>> That's a computer game that the National[br]Alliance puts out called eth- it's called

0:34:21.755,0:34:26.196
"Ethnic Cleansing" and it's[br]basically a shoot 'em up computer game

0:34:26.876,0:34:32.815
in which basically a skinhead goes through[br]a ghetto and shoots blacks and Mexicans.

0:34:33.146,0:34:33.716
>> Do you like it?

0:34:33.815,0:34:34.456
>> Um hum.

0:34:34.456,0:34:41.286
It's really hard though because of course[br]all the people that you shoot have guns too.

0:34:41.376,0:34:43.396
>> And they're shooting back at you.

0:34:43.396,0:34:48.656
>> They hide in bushes and stuff and they--[br]like they're like perched up on basketball hoops

0:34:48.656,0:34:50.636
and stuff and they're climbing[br]in trees and stuff.

0:34:50.746,0:34:53.696
So you've got to watch out and then[br]when you hear this gorilla sound--

0:34:53.696,0:34:55.956
they make gorilla sounds-- it[br]goes ooh ooh ooh like that.

0:34:55.956,0:34:58.416
And then you go, we don't like[br]that, and then you shoot it.

0:34:59.026,0:35:02.106
>> Is that a good idea do you think, April?

0:35:02.106,0:35:03.136
>> Um hum.

0:35:04.016,0:35:05.446
>> It seems a little--

0:35:05.706,0:35:05.996
>> Vulgar?

0:35:05.996,0:35:10.096
>> Okay. [laughs] After lunch,[br]Lamb and Lynx were keen

0:35:10.096,0:35:12.786
to show me their horses stabled[br]a short drive away.

0:35:13.266,0:35:15.316
>> See there is one of the kids.

0:35:15.316,0:35:16.696
>> Do you ever-- there's a school bus--

0:35:16.696,0:35:19.246
do you ever wish you went to[br]school with the other kids?

0:35:19.556,0:35:19.826
>> Sometimes.

0:35:20.086,0:35:20.726
>> Sometimes.

0:35:20.806,0:35:21.626
>> Um hum.

0:35:21.666,0:35:27.146
>> But then I think that I won't[br]be able to go with my horses.

0:35:27.296,0:35:27.396
>> Yeah.

0:35:27.706,0:35:33.656
>> And that we wouldn't be[br]able to see our mom as much.

0:35:33.656,0:35:35.946
And so [inaudible].

0:35:36.006,0:35:39.126
>> What did you say Lamb, you wouldn't be[br]able to go with your horse did you say?

0:35:39.216,0:35:39.366
>> Yes.

0:35:39.716,0:35:39.996
>> Why?

0:35:40.466,0:35:41.866
>> Play with my horse.

0:35:42.066,0:35:44.416
Well, I would in the evenings.

0:35:44.476,0:35:46.096
>> She's really attached to her horses.

0:35:46.096,0:35:46.163
[Inaudible].

0:35:46.163,0:35:46.230
>> Yeah.

0:35:46.230,0:35:50.826
>> Oh is that the skinhead army thingy?

0:35:51.326,0:35:52.996
>> Who's it by?

0:35:53.256,0:35:57.606
>> It's Max Resist but I don't think--[br]I think it's a cover by somebody else.

0:35:57.606,0:35:58.996
I think somebody else like Landser.

0:35:58.996,0:36:02.386
>> -- dedicated to all white[br]nationalists all around the world.

0:36:02.776,0:36:04.976
United we will win.

0:36:05.516,0:36:22.546
[ Music ]

0:36:23.046,0:36:25.666
>> [Singing] They call me[br]Nazi and I am proud about.

0:36:25.666,0:36:28.196
They call me racist and I shout it out loud.

0:36:28.196,0:36:30.636
Proud of my race and proud of my land.

0:36:30.636,0:36:32.736
White brothers and sisters come raise your hand.

0:36:32.736,0:36:38.096
We are an 88 Rock 'n' Roll band,[br]we are an 88 Rock 'n' Roll band,

0:36:38.096,0:36:42.706
we are an 88 Rock 'n' Roll band,[br]playing and fighting for race and land.

0:36:44.186,0:36:47.116
We are marching on the streets at night.

0:36:47.116,0:36:49.406
Boots and braces we are ready to fight.

0:36:49.406,0:36:53.556
Out gook out, run nigga[br]run, we're aryans [inaudible].

0:36:53.846,0:36:59.416
We are an 88 Rock 'n' Roll band,[br]playing and fighting for race and land.

0:37:03.656,0:37:08.546
>> If anybody asks out here what we've got a ca-[br]why we've got a cameraman following us around--

0:37:08.546,0:37:09.366
>> Yeah.

0:37:09.366,0:37:13.666
>> I guess we'll just say that you're[br]interviewing us about the kids' music.

0:37:13.666,0:37:15.336
>> Why is that?

0:37:17.226,0:37:22.636
>> I just don't want somebody messing with my[br]horses because, you know, and hurting my horses

0:37:22.636,0:37:25.246
because of my politics, you know?

0:37:25.246,0:37:29.126
I mean I don't know what[br]they're going to do out here.

0:37:29.126,0:37:31.156
>> Do you have to lead a[br]double life to some extent?

0:37:31.156,0:37:33.876
>> I've never really had to[br]before because, you know,

0:37:33.876,0:37:36.346
I've never been in the situation[br]that I'm in now.

0:37:36.346,0:37:40.786
It's really hard for me to be[br]covert though because I'm just so--

0:37:40.786,0:37:44.406
it's just like so much, it's[br]like in every pore, you know?

0:37:44.406,0:37:46.326
>> I've noticed.

0:37:48.286,0:37:49.886
Can I help?

0:37:49.886,0:37:52.276
Can I take the rag and do a bit?

0:37:52.276,0:37:54.666
>> Yeah if you want to.[br]>> What do I do?

0:37:54.666,0:37:56.436
>> I don't know, you can wipe[br]them down if you want or--

0:37:56.436,0:37:57.336
>> Is this just water?

0:37:57.336,0:37:58.976
>> Yeah it's just water on there right now.

0:37:58.976,0:38:00.766
I was just cleaning their nostrils.

0:38:01.566,0:38:02.826
>> Oh cleaning their nostrils.

0:38:02.826,0:38:07.306
[horses whinnying] Are they[br]talking to each other?

0:38:07.306,0:38:09.076
>> Give her-- we can give him a brush.

0:38:09.076,0:38:11.446
Hey girls, why don't you give him a brush?

0:38:17.626,0:38:21.866
>> Would you have a problem if Lynx or[br]Lamb brought home a friend of another race?

0:38:23.496,0:38:26.246
>> Yeah I probably wouldn't[br]be real happy about it.

0:38:26.246,0:38:27.866
>> What would you do?

0:38:29.326,0:38:31.196
>> I would probably tell them not to.

0:38:31.196,0:38:36.986
I would probably tell them, you know, if that's[br]what you're going to do, don't bring them home.

0:38:36.986,0:38:38.756
See because this is the way I would see it.

0:38:38.756,0:38:41.066
I would see it first it's the friend.

0:38:41.066,0:38:44.406
It's okay to have the nice black friend.

0:38:44.406,0:38:46.976
And then the next thing it's going[br]to be the nice black boyfriend.

0:38:47.346,0:38:48.396
>> And you'd have a problem with that?

0:38:49.286,0:38:50.656
>> I would never speak to them again.

0:38:51.546,0:38:52.196
That would be it.

0:38:52.996,0:38:59.836
If they were race traitors then they[br]wouldn't-- I-- that absolutely would be--

0:38:59.906,0:39:02.646
I wouldn't want to have anything to do with[br]them ever again and I've told them that.

0:39:03.626,0:39:05.166
I consider it-- because this the way I see it--

0:39:05.166,0:39:08.806
>> That's easy to say but you know[br]the maternal instinct's got to be one

0:39:08.806,0:39:10.786
of the strongest instincts in human beings.

0:39:11.086,0:39:11.396
>> Um hum.

0:39:11.616,0:39:13.936
>> You're saying you would[br]completely go against that?

0:39:14.436,0:39:19.616
Have no contact with your child?

0:39:20.316,0:39:22.596
>> I would be so disappointed.

0:39:22.596,0:39:25.136
I would just be so disappointed.

0:39:29.416,0:39:31.066
>> Come on.

0:39:31.066,0:39:32.646
Come on Becky.

0:39:32.646,0:39:40.616
[ Music ]

0:39:41.116,0:39:45.116
>> I couldn't quite believe the almost[br]reckless intensity of April's racism.

0:39:45.366,0:39:47.826
She seemed to revel in how[br]outrageous her beliefs were.

0:39:47.826,0:39:51.576
I wondered how Lynx and Lamb would[br]grow up and how they would feel

0:39:51.576,0:39:54.976
about their mother once they'd left home[br]and were able to think for themselves.

0:39:55.516,0:40:03.746
[ Music ]

0:40:04.246,0:40:06.806
>> Later that day we headed[br]off to meet April's father.

0:40:07.396,0:40:11.296
I'd heard he was also a proud racist[br]and I was hoping he might help me

0:40:11.296,0:40:12.976
to understand how April came by her beliefs.

0:40:13.516,0:40:20.676
[ Music ]

0:40:21.176,0:40:22.346
>> How do you do?

0:40:22.906,0:40:23.526
>> Hello.

0:40:23.526,0:40:24.626
>> Louis Theroux, BBC.

0:40:25.686,0:40:26.336
Nice to meet you.

0:40:27.176,0:40:28.216
You must be April's father?

0:40:28.436,0:40:28.976
>> Yeah.

0:40:28.976,0:40:30.146
>> This is my dad Bill Gaede.

0:40:30.916,0:40:31.546
>> Bill Gaede.

0:40:32.076,0:40:32.576
>> Yeah.

0:40:32.876,0:40:35.766
>> Can we, I noticed you had a,[br]can we look at your cattle brand?

0:40:35.766,0:40:39.476
Is the ranch logo-- I'm not sure[br]what the right expression is.

0:40:40.246,0:40:41.476
>> It's the cattle brand.

0:40:44.736,0:40:51.366
>> How do you view April's beliefs as[br]far as preserving the white race and?

0:40:51.636,0:40:53.986
>> I think it's great.[br]Yeah I think you ought to preserve it.

0:40:53.986,0:40:55.306
Certainly you should.

0:40:56.936,0:40:57.626
You know--

0:40:57.626,0:40:57.986
>> Does it--

0:40:57.986,0:41:00.736
>> our family were Vikings in[br]Denmark in the 12th century.

0:41:00.736,0:41:01.786
Why not preserve it?

0:41:02.066,0:41:05.876
>> It seems to me it'll-- it's going to[br]preserve itself just fine and there's no need

0:41:05.876,0:41:10.866
for any radical action as[br]far as laws or campaigning.

0:41:10.866,0:41:12.186
>> You're sitting under a manhole cover.

0:41:13.406,0:41:14.456
You can't see anything.

0:41:15.046,0:41:15.866
>> Why? Why is that?

0:41:15.866,0:41:17.456
>> You just can't see it[br]because you're not here.

0:41:18.216,0:41:19.586
You can't see what's going on.

0:41:21.606,0:41:26.006
Right now all the people have been so[br]politically correct they wouldn't say shit

0:41:26.006,0:41:28.536
if they had a mouthful of it, you know?

0:41:29.236,0:41:33.456
But now the people are beginning to see[br]what's going on and they're beginning to--

0:41:33.456,0:41:36.536
their backbone's beginning to straighten[br]up a little bit and get a little stiffer.

0:41:37.726,0:41:38.556
All the white people are.

0:41:38.556,0:41:40.346
>> I'm a multiculturalist.

0:41:40.546,0:41:41.646
>> Are you?[br]>>Yeah

0:41:42.256,0:41:47.656
>> When you get married are you going[br]to marry a white person or a nigger?

0:41:47.816,0:41:48.586
Huh?

0:41:49.366,0:41:50.936
>> What do you usually date?

0:41:51.406,0:41:58.156
Do you usually date white women?

0:41:58.156,0:41:59.256
>> So far.

0:41:59.676,0:42:02.406
>> That's what you find attractive.

0:42:02.406,0:42:03.606
>> Does Jewish count as white?

0:42:04.356,0:42:04.506
>> No.

0:42:04.506,0:42:05.596
>> No, not in our books.

0:42:06.066,0:42:07.346
>> Why not?

0:42:07.356,0:42:12.176
>> [Laughs] I think we could[br]hope that he marries some Jewess.

0:42:12.176,0:42:14.216
I mean won't that be funny.

0:42:14.216,0:42:16.306
>> A JAP. You know what a JAP is?

0:42:16.306,0:42:17.596
>> Yeah a Jewish American Princess.

0:42:17.596,0:42:18.466
I hope-- boy you're going to be--

0:42:18.466,0:42:20.706
>> [Inaudible] marry a JAP,[br]a Jewish American Princess.

0:42:20.706,0:42:22.116
she's going to have you right there.

0:42:22.116,0:42:22.976
>> Twisted right down.

0:42:23.256,0:42:23.616
>> Um hum.

0:42:23.666,0:42:24.196
>> What's your name?

0:42:24.196,0:42:24.606
>> Louis.

0:42:24.896,0:42:26.176
>> [High voice] Louis!

0:42:26.176,0:42:29.326
Louis, I want a new ring, Louis!

0:42:29.336,0:42:32.486
Bring me my coffee-- tea Louis.

0:42:32.656,0:42:35.296
Come and flush the toilet for me Louis.

0:42:35.296,0:42:36.496
I can't push the handle down.

0:42:36.496,0:42:36.986
[laughs]

0:42:38.306,0:42:40.656
>> So is that where you get[br]it from do you think, April?

0:42:40.656,0:42:43.606
>> The biggest gift that[br]I got from my father was

0:42:43.606,0:42:47.236
to not give a rip about what[br]anybody else thought.

0:42:47.236,0:42:48.466
It's what you thought.

0:42:48.466,0:42:51.926
It's what you really knew in your[br]heart was the right thing to do.

0:42:51.926,0:42:55.226
It didn't matter if every[br]single person was against you.

0:42:55.226,0:42:59.886
If you know what you believe is right, then you[br]have-- and you can have the strength to just,

0:42:59.886,0:43:02.506
to fight against everybody and[br]to stand strong against everyone.

0:43:02.506,0:43:05.816
And I believe that I inherited that.

0:43:05.816,0:43:09.536
I think in the genes and[br]then I was taught that also.

0:43:09.536,0:43:13.496
And I think-- and I owe my[br]dad a lot for giving me that.

0:43:13.496,0:43:15.456
That was a gift.

0:43:15.466,0:43:45.796
[ Music ]

0:43:46.296,0:43:48.436
>> Back in Fallbrook and I had a date with Tom.

0:43:48.956,0:43:52.486
There was a plan in place to meet another[br]of his daughters, this one named Lynn.

0:43:53.056,0:43:54.706
But before that, a barbecue.

0:43:57.636,0:43:59.986
[doorbell rings] Good afternoon.

0:43:59.986,0:44:01.486
>> Louis, Louis, Louis!

0:44:01.486,0:44:02.366
You feel at home?

0:44:02.586,0:44:03.136
>> Very much so.

0:44:03.136,0:44:04.876
Look at you, you're wearing a bowler hat.

0:44:04.876,0:44:06.096
>> Yeah. How do you like that?

0:44:06.096,0:44:06.936
Do you feel at home?

0:44:06.936,0:44:07.186
>> It's good.

0:44:07.186,0:44:07.316
[laughs]

0:44:07.316,0:44:08.006
>> Come on in.

0:44:08.146,0:44:08.616
>> It's good.

0:44:08.616,0:44:09.596
Is that in honor of me?

0:44:09.836,0:44:10.686
>> Yeah. Right.

0:44:11.296,0:44:12.606
>> Little bottle of something--

0:44:12.606,0:44:13.266
>> Oh you brought something.

0:44:13.266,0:44:15.186
You should've brought two or[br]three but that's all right.

0:44:15.186,0:44:17.516
>> That's all right, I've got one[br]more in the car if we run low.

0:44:18.536,0:44:20.566
So the plan is to have a[br]barbecue, is that right?

0:44:20.766,0:44:20.836
>> Yeah.

0:44:20.836,0:44:20.956
>> Yeah.

0:44:21.326,0:44:23.786
>> And we're going to just keep[br]it real simple and real easy.

0:44:24.136,0:44:25.696
>> Yeah. That's how I like it.

0:44:25.696,0:44:26.936
Hi John, how are you doing?

0:44:26.936,0:44:28.776
>> Fine. Mary, good to see you again, dear.

0:44:28.776,0:44:31.036
>> Um hum.

0:44:31.036,0:44:31.896
>> Good to see you, John.

0:44:31.896,0:44:33.976
>> And you-- oh the camera's on.

0:44:33.976,0:44:35.936
Hey I brought something for Louis.

0:44:36.146,0:44:37.116
Back, Louis!

0:44:37.616,0:44:39.016
Back! Back, Louis, back!

0:44:40.306,0:44:40.726
>> John. [laughs]

0:44:40.996,0:44:44.276
>> What does it mean?

0:44:44.736,0:44:48.786
>> This cross came from the[br]movie "Scream, Dracula, Scream".

0:44:48.916,0:44:51.206
>> Oh I definitely saw that one.

0:44:51.616,0:44:53.306
>> Right, so it's a prop.

0:44:53.406,0:44:55.496
>> You haven't met Laurie before, John?

0:44:55.576,0:44:56.026
>> No.

0:44:56.086,0:44:59.656
>> Well no, they've kept me in a[br]cage whenever she's around, so.

0:44:59.656,0:45:03.616
>> I got to watch him when[br]it comes to young girls.

0:45:03.616,0:45:03.866
[laughs]

0:45:03.866,0:45:04.436
>> That's right.

0:45:04.506,0:45:07.166
No I've heard that John prefers Mexican women.

0:45:08.196,0:45:11.426
>> Now what-- where is that cross again?

0:45:11.556,0:45:12.746
[laughs] Back, Louis, back!

0:45:12.746,0:45:13.666
>> [Inaudible] we talk about that?

0:45:13.666,0:45:16.636
>> It didn't work in the movie so, sorry.

0:45:16.636,0:45:16.826
>> Yeah.

0:45:27.026,0:45:29.696
>> I got those pork especially[br]for you to check you out.

0:45:30.176,0:45:30.886
>> They're turkey.

0:45:31.576,0:45:33.896
>> [Laughs] He read the label.

0:45:35.206,0:45:37.116
I told Mary I was going to do that.

0:45:42.006,0:45:43.086
>> Do you care if I'm Jewish?

0:45:44.766,0:45:45.776
>> Not for this, no.

0:45:47.646,0:45:48.726
>> What about for something else?

0:45:48.726,0:45:49.666
>> You're doing your job.

0:45:52.356,0:45:53.256
That's the way it goes.

0:45:53.486,0:45:55.076
Sometimes there's neutral territory.

0:45:55.076,0:45:57.906
>> I wonder if you could give me a hand.

0:45:59.666,0:46:01.416
I don't really know what I'm doing.

0:46:02.026,0:46:03.806
>> Well you said you wanted to help cook.

0:46:03.806,0:46:04.206
>> Yeah.

0:46:05.266,0:46:06.476
>> Well we got to turn down the--

0:46:06.966,0:46:08.676
>> That is a little-- that's[br]on too hot isn't it?

0:46:08.676,0:46:09.386
>> It's too hot.

0:46:12.056,0:46:13.276
>> Should we invite the neighbors over?

0:46:15.286,0:46:16.546
>> I think the neighbors went to TJ.

0:46:16.546,0:46:16.746
The me-

0:46:16.746,0:46:19.736
>> Who have you got on that side?

0:46:20.346,0:46:21.946
>> Well that's a white guy.

0:46:21.946,0:46:23.896
He's married to a Mexican gal.

0:46:25.036,0:46:28.326
She's an American type Mexican[br]and they got a couple of kids.

0:46:28.926,0:46:29.826
>> Do you get on okay with them?

0:46:29.826,0:46:30.886
>> Yeah we get along okay.

0:46:31.066,0:46:32.026
>> Is she a-- she's white?

0:46:32.506,0:46:33.446
>> No she's not white.

0:46:34.106,0:46:34.926
But she's friendly.

0:46:34.926,0:46:35.806
We don't have a problem.

0:46:37.816,0:46:40.256
>> I hope you like your hot dogs well done.

0:46:40.256,0:46:42.726
>> I think that's about well done enough, man.

0:46:43.656,0:46:46.206
Man, you have screwed my hot dog up.

0:46:46.356,0:46:48.336
>> [Laughs] I think it's a polish sausage.

0:46:48.546,0:46:49.766
>> Let me get that--

0:46:49.896,0:46:51.196
>> Do you want me to put another one on?

0:46:51.196,0:46:52.906
>> No, no that's not-- that's okay.

0:46:52.906,0:46:53.606
That's edible.

0:46:55.986,0:47:02.266
>> Then it was off to see Tom's[br]daughter Lynn and her daughter Valerie,

0:47:02.576,0:47:04.526
who like Lamb and Lynx, is 11 years old.

0:47:05.046,0:47:11.406
I'd heard Lynn was the most racist of Tom's[br]five daughters so I was curious to meet her.

0:47:11.636,0:47:12.736
>> Maybe the wrong place.

0:47:13.156,0:47:13.246
[Inaudible] here.

0:47:13.596,0:47:15.756
I got the wrong place.

0:47:17.076,0:47:17.516
Hey!

0:47:17.516,0:47:18.296
>> Hey dad!

0:47:18.386,0:47:20.406
>> We saw you guys walking by.

0:47:20.406,0:47:21.716
I'm like where are you going?

0:47:21.716,0:47:22.476
>> Well you know me.

0:47:22.476,0:47:22.826
I get--

0:47:22.986,0:47:23.776
>> I know, I know.

0:47:23.776,0:47:24.966
>> I forget.

0:47:25.116,0:47:26.566
Bunch of communist places.

0:47:26.566,0:47:27.426
They all look alike.

0:47:27.426,0:47:27.906
>> They all do.

0:47:27.906,0:47:28.326
>> Hello.

0:47:28.866,0:47:29.846
>> Hello. Simon?

0:47:30.076,0:47:30.226
>> Louis.

0:47:30.316,0:47:30.826
>> Louis.

0:47:30.826,0:47:31.166
>> Louis.

0:47:31.166,0:47:32.186
>> This is Louis.

0:47:32.186,0:47:33.306
>> Very nice to meet you.

0:47:33.306,0:47:34.116
>> Nice to meet you too.

0:47:34.116,0:47:34.276
>> Louis.

0:47:34.276,0:47:35.836
>> This is Valerie, my daughter.

0:47:35.836,0:47:36.326
>> Nice to meet you.

0:47:36.326,0:47:37.096
How do you do?

0:47:37.096,0:47:38.096
>> Louis's the star.

0:47:38.536,0:47:39.396
>> The star, huh?

0:47:39.396,0:47:40.056
>> Don't forget it.

0:47:40.056,0:47:40.236
>> Yeah.

0:47:40.236,0:47:41.706
>> Okay. [laughs] We won't.

0:47:41.756,0:47:43.426
Come on in.

0:47:43.426,0:47:45.836
>> Tom said you used to run[br]the Aryan Women's League?

0:47:46.126,0:47:48.036
>> I did. I did.

0:47:48.386,0:47:50.606
In fact, it was running for about--

0:47:51.226,0:47:52.196
>> Thank you.

0:47:52.196,0:47:53.326
>> I guess five, six years.

0:47:54.456,0:47:58.816
And we decided to merge with WAR[br]because we were doing the same thing.

0:47:59.566,0:48:00.946
>> WAR is Tom's organization?

0:48:00.946,0:48:01.646
>> Exactly.

0:48:01.646,0:48:02.246
Exactly.

0:48:02.696,0:48:06.286
>> Basically do you share, do you have the[br]same kind of racial views that Tom does?

0:48:06.586,0:48:10.016
>> I do. I don't-- I'm not one of these labels--

0:48:10.296,0:48:10.516
>> Yeah.

0:48:10.516,0:48:11.056
>> type of people.

0:48:11.136,0:48:11.916
Nazi. Left.

0:48:12.166,0:48:13.036
Right. Democrat.

0:48:13.036,0:48:13.846
Republican.

0:48:13.846,0:48:14.876
You know? Pacifist.

0:48:15.016,0:48:16.836
Whatever. I don't like that.

0:48:17.056,0:48:17.176
>> Okay.

0:48:17.176,0:48:21.336
>> I do have a strong sense of racial identity.

0:48:21.696,0:48:21.846
>> Yeah.

0:48:22.506,0:48:26.036
>> Strong sense of nature,[br]believing in nature, etcetera.

0:48:26.296,0:48:29.066
And, but I don't like the labels.

0:48:29.306,0:48:32.146
I don't even like to hear them because[br]they really don't mean anything.

0:48:32.386,0:48:37.056
>> Are you comfortable just-- are you[br]comfortable sieg heiling for example?

0:48:37.386,0:48:38.316
>> I'm comfortable with it.

0:48:38.446,0:48:38.686
>> Yeah.

0:48:39.766,0:48:41.326
>> It's not something I do often.

0:48:41.326,0:48:46.116
In fact last night I did and that was[br]probably the first time in a long time.

0:48:47.166,0:48:50.026
>> What's Valerie's posi- I mean[br]is Valerie comfortable on camera

0:48:50.026,0:48:51.896
or is she going to sort of hang back?

0:48:51.966,0:48:55.056
>> I asked her and she said in[br]the background would be fine.

0:48:55.056,0:48:55.186
>> Yeah.

0:48:55.186,0:48:56.976
>> I don't have a problem-- not talking to her.

0:48:56.976,0:48:57.186
>> Okay.

0:48:57.586,0:48:58.466
>> She's 11 years old.

0:48:58.466,0:49:00.986
She's kind of big for her age but she's--

0:49:01.266,0:49:01.336
>> Yeah.

0:49:01.336,0:49:03.066
>> you know, she's a really good kid.

0:49:03.546,0:49:07.476
>> Are you, I mean are you[br]bringing her up as a racist?

0:49:09.176,0:49:10.486
>> Bringing her up as a racist?

0:49:10.486,0:49:14.616
I'm bringing her up very aware of her heritage.

0:49:14.616,0:49:17.476
Very aware of what's going on.

0:49:17.746,0:49:24.906
I have often told her I have opinions,[br]I have beliefs, and just like my dad did

0:49:24.906,0:49:28.426
when I was a kid, I told her[br]that she needs to explore.

0:49:28.426,0:49:32.456
She needs to know what's out there[br]and she can't just take what I say.

0:49:33.446,0:49:36.726
>> Would she be-- would you be[br]happy for her to bring children--

0:49:36.786,0:49:39.056
friends of other races back to the house?

0:49:39.056,0:49:41.876
>> No. I wouldn't be happy.

0:49:41.876,0:49:42.826
I mean honestly.

0:49:43.326,0:49:51.916
I mean she's going to-- you know what I believe[br]is she's going to, you know, learn from me

0:49:51.916,0:49:58.326
and my actions and my words and my[br]thoughts when I put them into actions.

0:49:58.716,0:50:00.596
So we'll just see what happens.

0:50:07.856,0:50:12.256
>> I was nearing the end of my time with[br]Tom and for some days John had been talking

0:50:12.256,0:50:14.776
about the idea of going to Mexico.

0:50:14.776,0:50:19.056
His exact purpose was unclear, but for me[br]I thought it might be a chance to see Tom

0:50:19.056,0:50:21.826
in a different environment,[br]and so I thought I'd tag along.

0:50:21.826,0:50:26.556
[ Dog barking ]

0:50:27.056,0:50:28.506
>> Louis! [laughs]

0:50:28.506,0:50:30.056
>> Hey John, how are you doing?

0:50:30.056,0:50:31.366
>> You're going to love it.

0:50:31.366,0:50:32.636
Let's get ready to go.

0:50:32.646,0:50:34.946
>> Where's Tom?[br]>> He's waiting for us.

0:50:34.946,0:50:36.496
>> Where?[br]>>At his house.

0:50:36.496,0:50:37.246
>> Oh great, so let's go.

0:50:37.246,0:50:38.276
>> Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:50:38.276,0:50:39.716
Let me get it going.

0:50:39.726,0:50:41.066
I've got it all prepared.

0:50:41.576,0:50:45.406
I've got-- now Louis, what do you think?

0:50:45.406,0:50:47.466
Am I going to be too warm[br]today dressed like this?

0:50:47.466,0:50:52.766
I look like a tourist which is what I want to[br]look like instead of like the slick guy like you

0:50:52.766,0:50:54.436
that I should be looking like, you know?

0:50:56.976,0:50:59.936
>> And why are we interested[br]in seeing Tom in Mexico?

0:51:00.236,0:51:02.996
>> You're going to love seeing Tom in Mexico.

0:51:03.126,0:51:04.156
>> Why?

0:51:04.856,0:51:08.186
>> Well, you're going to see what[br]an international politician does.

0:51:08.186,0:51:11.126
Now these are my little medicines[br]here for myself.

0:51:11.126,0:51:14.556
>> And he's a racist politician so I[br]suppose it's interesting to see him among--

0:51:14.556,0:51:16.336
>> In a racist country.

0:51:16.336,0:51:18.936
They will respect him like--[br]oh they're racist down there.

0:51:18.936,0:51:21.276
You didn't know that?

0:51:21.276,0:51:23.846
[laughs] Follow me.

0:51:23.876,0:51:25.306
>> Hey Louis.

0:51:25.306,0:51:27.596
>> He's afraid of getting kidnapped.[br]>> No he isn't.

0:51:27.596,0:51:28.916
>> [Laughs] Yes he is.

0:51:28.916,0:51:32.006
Every time he goes to Mexico[br]they try to kidnap him.

0:51:32.156,0:51:33.746
>> So we'll be in your car?

0:51:33.756,0:51:35.486
>> No, we'll be in your car.

0:51:36.836,0:51:39.236
>> So what is the plan when we get there?

0:51:39.236,0:51:41.196
>> Why don't you tell him the truth?

0:51:41.196,0:51:44.046
You just want to get to that whore down there.

0:51:44.046,0:51:45.996
That's what you're really saying.

0:51:47.156,0:51:51.686
>> I wouldn't refer to a lovely[br]lady like that as a whore.

0:51:51.986,0:51:53.816
>> Well if you pay money, she's a whore.

0:51:54.226,0:51:56.066
>> [Talking in foreign language] Hello?

0:51:58.516,0:52:03.076
Hey did I sent this? It says-- send, sorry.

0:52:03.076,0:52:05.206
Dialing. Jesus Christ.

0:52:05.206,0:52:09.956
[Music]

0:52:09.956,0:52:17.906
[ Talking in foreign language ]

0:52:17.906,0:52:20.416
>> Boy that's a mouthful.

0:52:21.966,0:52:23.806
>> We're in.[br]>>We're in.

0:52:23.806,0:52:24.906
>> Watch it now.

0:52:24.906,0:52:27.056
>> Stay in this lane.[br]>>Say in the right lane.

0:52:27.056,0:52:29.306
>> Why are you getting in the middle lane?

0:52:29.306,0:52:32.156
>> Downtown.[br]Get over to the left, okay?

0:52:32.156,0:52:34.596
Jeez, left lane Louis.

0:52:36.086,0:52:38.696
>> Boy you got more backseat[br]drivers than you ever had.

0:52:38.696,0:52:40.986
>> Right turn here Louis.

0:52:40.986,0:52:45.546
[ Music ]

0:52:46.046,0:52:50.866
>> I was still curious what form Tom's[br]ambassadorial trip would take and was surprised

0:52:50.866,0:52:54.526
when John began directing me to[br]Tijuana's tourist bars.

0:52:55.476,0:52:57.656
>> I want a sombrero.[br]I want to buy--

0:52:57.656,0:53:00.416
>> I'll take you right-- they're[br]right down there all those shops.

0:53:00.416,0:53:02.096
>> Let's go. Yeah

0:53:02.096,0:53:04.576
>> Well let's have a drink first.[br]>> Yeah let's get a drink first.

0:53:04.576,0:53:06.726
The drinks are right down there too.

0:53:06.726,0:53:08.486
[talking in foreign language]

0:53:11.076,0:53:14.096
>> Is that her?

0:53:14.116,0:53:16.536
Does she recognize you?

0:53:16.536,0:53:32.266
[ Talking in foreign language ]

0:53:32.276,0:53:34.556
>> Hello, I'm Louis.[br]>> This is Louis.

0:53:34.556,0:53:36.916
[ Talking in foreign language ]

0:53:36.936,0:53:39.496
What's his name? Geraldo Rivera.

0:53:39.516,0:53:51.016
[ Talking in foreign language ]

0:53:51.016,0:53:53.606
>> [Inaudible] and I are[br]going to get married one day.

0:53:53.606,0:53:57.576
[ Talking in foreign language ]

0:53:57.576,0:53:59.746
>> Can we say what it's about?

0:53:59.746,0:54:05.926
>> No. Because I don't want to--[br]who knows what her politics or her--

0:54:05.936,0:54:10.716
her celebrity, you know, things are.

0:54:10.716,0:54:14.696
She's my girl and she's going[br]to be showing us around.

0:54:19.306,0:54:21.886
>> You guys got a documentary[br]following you around or what?

0:54:21.886,0:54:23.216
>> Yeah we do.[br]Where you from?

0:54:23.216,0:54:26.086
>> Sacramento.[br]>> I used to be the head of the KKK in California.

0:54:26.086,0:54:28.756
>> No shit![br]>> Yeah. And now I come down--

0:54:28.756,0:54:30.706
>> What happened? Did you get kicked out or what?

0:54:30.706,0:54:32.426
>> No I quit. But anyhow--

0:54:32.426,0:54:35.026
>> Well I got something really[br]wild-- I'm skinhead now.

0:54:35.026,0:54:38.096
You guys need me in Sacramento. That's a fucked up place.

0:54:38.106,0:54:40.476
>> It's all fucked up.

0:54:40.476,0:54:41.616
>> No you've got Schwarzenegger--

0:54:41.616,0:54:43.796
>> He's going to terminate the--[br]>> The black nigger right.

0:54:43.796,0:54:45.436
Yeah--[br]>> He's going to terminate the--

0:54:45.436,0:54:48.526
>> he's going to fuck-- hey,[br]you think he's going to save us?

0:54:48.526,0:54:49.876
Bullshit.

0:54:49.876,0:54:52.166
>> I don't know, you sound like a racist to me.

0:54:52.166,0:54:53.756
>> I am a racist. What the hell you talking--

0:54:53.756,0:54:55.206
>> I'm not a racist.[br]>> You're not a racist?

0:54:55.206,0:54:56.096
>> Fuck no I'm not a racist.

0:54:56.096,0:54:58.746
>> Don't you want your grandchildren[br]to look like you?

0:54:58.746,0:55:01.126
>> I don't give a shit what[br]my grandchildren look like.

0:55:01.126,0:55:03.116
>> Oh man! You're killing me!

0:55:03.626,0:55:05.526
>> One dollar. It's one dollar, Tom.

0:55:05.526,0:55:07.996
Give him a dollar as a tip. [br]Buy me a beer, too.

0:55:09.476,0:55:12.366
>> One more, one more.[br]>> One more, one more.

0:55:12.536,0:55:14.356
>> It's yours, Tom.

0:55:14.466,0:55:17.066
[ Singing ]

0:55:17.066,0:55:19.826
>> Come on, sing.

0:55:23.086,0:55:26.326
>> The ambassadorial visit was[br]degenerating into a pub crawl.

0:55:26.326,0:55:28.646
It had all become rather chaotic.

0:55:28.646,0:55:31.036
>> Do I need another hat?[br]>> Rings?

0:55:31.036,0:55:33.916
>> I need a bigger hat is what I need.[br]I need a bigger hat.

0:55:33.916,0:55:35.496
>> No swastika?

0:55:37.746,0:55:39.736
>> Do you have any swastika rings?

0:55:39.736,0:55:40.496
>> What?

0:55:40.966,0:55:42.216
>> Swastika.

0:55:42.286,0:55:45.866
>> Where's Tom? Where's Tom gone?

0:55:46.066,0:55:50.146
Several tequilas later we lost[br]Tom in a souvenir shop somewhere.

0:55:50.316,0:55:52.916
When he resurfaced, he seemed even more drunk.

0:55:52.916,0:55:56.916
He was concerned that he could've been[br]attacked or kidnapped and accused John

0:55:56.916,0:55:58.996
of neglecting his security duties.

0:55:59.376,0:56:01.756
>> I don't depend on anybody who runs any town.

0:56:01.756,0:56:06.596
I depend on my security, and when I walk[br]out of a place and my security's not there--

0:56:06.596,0:56:08.386
>> Well, did Louis leave you?

0:56:09.576,0:56:11.556
>> You don't seem to understand, John.

0:56:12.146,0:56:17.176
>> What I'm trying to tell you is there is[br]certain towns that are run a certain way

0:56:17.716,0:56:20.256
and I am totally wired in down here.

0:56:20.256,0:56:23.916
>> I don't give a shit how you're wired.[br]I'm wired in to only my own people.

0:56:23.916,0:56:26.736
I don't trust anybody else in nobody's town.

0:56:26.736,0:56:28.006
Nobody you know.

0:56:28.006,0:56:29.246
I trust my friends.

0:56:29.836,0:56:31.936
My security next time is coming with me.

0:56:32.116,0:56:34.726
>> But I'm telling you, if[br]I can walk around here--

0:56:34.726,0:56:36.976
>> My friends are concerned [br]about my security.

0:56:36.976,0:56:40.376
>> If I can walk around here with a fucking[br]hat on my head looking like a clown--

0:56:40.376,0:56:42.726
>> No but your-- your whole[br]brain's full of pussy.

0:56:42.736,0:56:45.126
That's all you're thinking about.[br]>> No it's not.

0:56:45.126,0:56:47.446
You think I'm not a racist,[br]I'm just [inaudible].

0:56:47.546,0:56:50.156
>> No you're not a racist like I am.

0:56:52.286,0:56:54.626
>> I want to make a bet.

0:56:54.626,0:56:56.506
I'm going to put my dollar down, okay?

0:56:56.506,0:56:59.146
>> He would fuck Matsurat and I wouldn't.

0:56:59.626,0:57:00.406
>> Why?

0:57:00.406,0:57:01.306
>> She's not white.

0:57:01.856,0:57:03.046
I got to go pee.

0:57:03.056,0:57:07.726
>> The day was winding to a close and I[br]reflected on Tom's fears of being kidnapped.

0:57:08.396,0:57:10.376
I felt this was Tom at his most unguarded

0:57:10.686,0:57:13.726
and what struck me was Tom's[br]fantasies of his own importance.

0:57:15.226,0:57:18.226
In the car on the way home[br]John made a last attempt

0:57:18.226,0:57:20.386
to salvage something from[br]the international trip.

0:57:21.666,0:57:24.666
>> Tom, tell us about Mexico, okay?

0:57:24.666,0:57:26.616
What do you think about it? Was it fun?

0:57:26.616,0:57:31.836
>> I think it's a very interesting[br]place to visit and I think a lot

0:57:31.836,0:57:36.666
of Aryans should go there and[br]carve out something like a country.

0:57:36.666,0:57:40.696
And that might be something[br]that I'm thinking about.

0:57:41.246,0:57:42.556
>> And you know what?

0:57:42.606,0:57:45.116
That's exactly what we're[br]all thinking about here.

0:57:46.206,0:57:49.076
>> When I saw how well you[br]could get on out there Tom,

0:57:49.076,0:57:54.696
it made me think well maybe[br]you'd abandon racism, you know?

0:57:54.696,0:58:01.316
Maybe you'd find that you didn't really--[br]it wasn't something that you needed anymore.

0:58:01.966,0:58:04.316
>> Let me answer that.[br]Let me answer that because--

0:58:04.366,0:58:06.356
>> [Inaudible] don't understand.

0:58:06.576,0:58:10.886
>> Right. Tom is actually--[br]you don't understand Louis.

0:58:10.886,0:58:16.506
It's like-- go through the next, you[br]know-- go up the hill, go up the hill.

0:58:17.166,0:58:18.816
Here's what we're going to say.

0:58:18.826,0:58:20.976
He doesn't because--

0:58:21.111,0:58:23.111
[ Inaudible ]

0:58:23.206,0:58:25.536
the Mexican guys--

0:58:25.686,0:58:27.416
>> Let Tom answer, John.

0:58:27.446,0:58:29.506
>> No I don't want him to answer right now

0:58:29.506,0:58:33.446
because it's been a long[br]day and my client is tired.

0:58:33.836,0:58:34.556
>> Yeah.

0:58:34.746,0:58:35.806
>> He's tired.

0:58:36.906,0:58:38.776
He's relaxing now.

0:58:38.856,0:58:44.226
Please, you know?

0:58:44.226,0:58:45.326
Mary?[br]>> Excuse me.

0:58:45.356,0:58:47.416
>> Hi dear.[br]>> It's locked for a reason.

0:58:47.446,0:58:50.186
>> We've got one rather drunken[br]gentleman with us.

0:58:50.256,0:58:51.186
>> Okay.

0:58:51.186,0:58:54.746
>> It was far from the statesman's[br]visit that John had advertised.

0:58:54.746,0:58:58.166
I had to keep reminding myself[br]that Tom was supposed to be one

0:58:58.166,0:59:00.316
of the most dangerous racists in America.

0:59:05.376,0:59:06.556
[ Frog croaking ]

0:59:06.556,0:59:08.016
It was my last day with Tom.

0:59:08.066,0:59:11.696
For some time I'd been badgering him[br]for a chance to see him at his day job.

0:59:14.456,0:59:16.116
>> You stay here. Stay.

0:59:16.116,0:59:17.846
Good morning.[br]>> Good morning.

0:59:17.846,0:59:19.466
Hello there.[br]>> Friend or foe?

0:59:19.466,0:59:21.676
>> Well we haven't worked that out yet have we?

0:59:21.676,0:59:23.836
>> Okay. Stay here boy.

0:59:23.836,0:59:24.966
>> That's a work in progress.

0:59:24.966,0:59:27.226
>> I got to keep my bandit dog back in there.

0:59:27.226,0:59:31.176
He's so used to running in the car,[br]sometimes I have to leave him here.

0:59:32.326,0:59:37.786
>> Tom's a TV repairman and today he was picking[br]up a TV from one of his most faithful clients.

0:59:38.016,0:59:40.406
>> Do you want a hand with that, Tom?

0:59:40.406,0:59:41.886
>> Sure. Well wait a minute.

0:59:41.886,0:59:43.606
I've got to open up the back door.

0:59:43.846,0:59:45.516
>> How are you do-- is it your TV?

0:59:45.526,0:59:46.256
>> Yes.

0:59:46.506,0:59:47.816
>> And what's the problem?

0:59:47.866,0:59:49.896
>> Well it doesn't work too good.

0:59:50.336,0:59:53.186
>> So anyway, I have known Tommy for many years.

0:59:53.206,0:59:54.936
>> Have you?[br]>> Oh yes.

0:59:54.946,1:00:00.816
And I have not found in Fallbrook or[br]in L.A. where I lived many years--

1:00:00.846,1:00:01.706
>> Yeah.

1:00:01.726,1:00:04.376
>> a man that honest.

1:00:04.826,1:00:06.186
>> Yeah. You like him?

1:00:06.186,1:00:08.846
>> Oh I like him very much[br]and I can depend on him.

1:00:08.846,1:00:12.296
I leave my key so I, that much I trust him.

1:00:13.186,1:00:14.816
>> What about, do you know about his politics?

1:00:15.236,1:00:17.326
>> Yes. Well, we don't [inaudible][br]about politics.

1:00:17.326,1:00:19.806
[laughs] I know him as a man.

1:00:19.806,1:00:23.586
He's got his ideas and I have mine.

1:00:23.626,1:00:24.366
>> Yeah.

1:00:24.376,1:00:28.306
>> He does not interfere with...[br]He's friend of mine for a long time.

1:00:28.316,1:00:29.616
>> How about that?

1:00:29.616,1:00:32.396
And what's your-- you sound[br]like you've got a slight accent.

1:00:32.396,1:00:34.476
Where are you from originally?[br]>> From Peru.

1:00:34.476,1:00:35.636
>> From Peru?[br]>> Yes.

1:00:35.636,1:00:36.916
>> Peruvian?[br]>> Yeah.

1:00:37.066,1:00:38.836
>> I never asked you that myself.

1:00:38.836,1:00:40.426
>> That's true, Tommy!

1:00:40.426,1:00:42.396
>> And your name is?

1:00:42.446,1:00:43.816
>> Oscar.

1:00:43.956,1:00:50.436
>> Now his-- and of course when[br]his wife was alive I-- we used to--

1:00:50.436,1:00:52.706
>> We had a big house, remember?[br]>> That's right.

1:00:52.706,1:00:54.876
They used to live in a house[br]here on the other side of--

1:00:54.896,1:00:58.856
>> Oscar was just saying that as far as[br]politics you kind of agree not to talk about it.

1:00:58.856,1:01:00.666
>> Right. [laughs][br]>> That's right.

1:01:00.666,1:01:02.946
>> Exactly.[br]>> That's absolutely right.

1:01:02.956,1:01:04.926
>> I respect all the people's ideas.

1:01:04.926,1:01:06.376
>> Yeah.[br]>> Yep.

1:01:06.376,1:01:08.176
>> Are you all right with that Tom?

1:01:08.176,1:01:10.636
You get one side, I'll get the other side.[br]>> No.

1:01:10.636,1:01:12.876
>> Oscar believes in free speech.[br]>> [Laughs]

1:01:17.466,1:01:19.786
>> Do you know how much he's[br]going to charge yet?

1:01:19.786,1:01:21.466
>> [Laughs] No I don't care about that.

1:01:21.466,1:01:24.066
>> He don't worry about-- he[br]knows I'll never cheat him.

1:01:24.066,1:01:27.156
>> He is the honest-- and the best technician.

1:01:27.156,1:01:29.186
>> Would you consider Tom a friend?

1:01:29.186,1:01:30.686
>> Yes. Absolutely.

1:01:30.696,1:01:32.226
No hesitation.

1:01:32.226,1:01:33.656
>> Yeah.[br]>> Yeah.

1:01:33.796,1:01:35.686
>> And you'd consider Oscar a friend?

1:01:35.726,1:01:37.276
>> I believe so, yes.

1:01:37.286,1:01:38.036
Yeah. Sure.

1:01:38.036,1:01:41.036
It's been a long-- we've had a long association.

1:01:41.036,1:01:41.716
>> That's right.[br]>> Yeah.

1:01:41.716,1:01:43.586
>> Longer than my girlfriend.

1:01:43.586,1:01:45.556
I've only known her 10 years.

1:01:45.556,1:01:47.216
>> Oh don't tell Mary that.

1:01:47.926,1:01:48.906
[laughs] Yeah.

1:01:52.016,1:01:54.326
You're one of the most famous[br]racists in America.

1:01:54.326,1:01:55.036
>> Yeah.

1:01:55.126,1:01:56.876
>> Maybe the most famous.

1:01:56.916,1:02:02.566
And there you were saying that you were friends[br]with this guy who looked to me non-white and--

1:02:02.626,1:02:06.486
or at least mixed race-- and[br]it just seemed inconsistent.

1:02:06.486,1:02:08.346
I just thought that was kind of weird.

1:02:08.356,1:02:12.676
>> Well, maybe you need to be[br]educated in the ways of the world.

1:02:14.986,1:02:15.916
>> How do you mean?

1:02:15.916,1:02:18.466
I mean, don't you see that as inconsistent?

1:02:18.506,1:02:20.136
That you would call--[br]>> Well--

1:02:20.146,1:02:24.556
>> you would say you have a friend in[br]this guy who looks like he was mixed race?

1:02:24.706,1:02:29.206
>> Louis is hanging on this friend[br]thing, a very abstract word.

1:02:29.446,1:02:33.816
I would not debate the term[br]friend on the man's doorstep.

1:02:33.816,1:02:34.606
>> Yeah.

1:02:34.586,1:02:36.816
>> Now you and I can debate it and like that.

1:02:36.816,1:02:38.556
I don't want to hurt the man's feelings.

1:02:38.566,1:02:40.446
>> No but there was more to it than that Tom.

1:02:40.446,1:02:42.666
I felt warmth between you.

1:02:43.326,1:02:46.426
>> That's just an association,[br]that you know these people.

1:02:46.426,1:02:49.876
And common courtesy and politeness.[br]>> Don't you see-- do you really not--

1:02:49.876,1:02:53.226
>> You treat them respectfully.[br]>> do you really not see what I'm trying to say?

1:02:53.226,1:02:56.116
>> I see what you're trying to[br]say but your brain is twisted.

1:02:56.116,1:02:57.696
>> I think your brain is twisted.

1:02:57.696,1:02:58.876
>> Well then we agree.

1:02:58.876,1:03:01.766
We both agree that we believe[br]each other's brain is twisted.

1:03:01.766,1:03:05.346
>> Yeah but the facts are on my side.[br]>> And your brain is going to stay twisted and--

1:03:05.346,1:03:07.466
>> You have friends who are non-white and you--

1:03:07.466,1:03:09.286
>> I don't have--[br]>> and you pal around--

1:03:09.286,1:03:11.266
>> with people who are non-white[br]and you're living a happy life--

1:03:11.266,1:03:11.866
>> I have people--

1:03:11.866,1:03:12.946
>> [inaudible] multicultural community.

1:03:12.946,1:03:14.446
>> Whoa, whoa, whoa.

1:03:14.446,1:03:15.246
I have people--

1:03:15.246,1:03:17.736
>> and yet you keep pretending[br]that you're a revolutionary.

1:03:17.736,1:03:18.176
>> Whoa, whoa, whoa.

1:03:18.176,1:03:20.686
>> But the facts of your existence[br]completely undermine that.

1:03:20.686,1:03:22.836
>> Doesn't that totally fit your package?

1:03:22.836,1:03:25.476
>> It's the truth though.

1:03:26.126,1:03:27.366
>> [Laughs] It is the truth.

1:03:27.366,1:03:28.266
>> This is really funny.

1:03:28.266,1:03:32.816
>> Your day to day life is a standing[br]refutation of everything you profess to believe.

1:03:32.816,1:03:33.236
>> No it's not.

1:03:33.236,1:03:34.006
It's not either.

1:03:34.046,1:03:34.506
>> It is.

1:03:34.646,1:03:37.376
>> Well follow me to a hostile[br]meeting and I'll show you.

1:03:37.456,1:03:40.306
They'll be trying to kill me and[br]I may have to try and kill them.

1:03:40.306,1:03:40.996
[laughs]

1:03:40.996,1:03:42.066
>> I think you're a hypocrite.

1:03:42.816,1:03:45.266
>> Okay. All right.

1:03:46.176,1:03:49.256
So what? I know what I am.

1:03:49.256,1:03:53.506
I don't need Louis Theroux[br]to quantify what I am.

1:03:55.136,1:04:02.056
>> As abhorrent as his views were, I found[br]it hard to take Tom totally seriously.

1:04:02.706,1:04:04.846
He seemed to like being seen[br]as a dangerous figure,

1:04:05.246,1:04:08.586
but was all the while enjoying the[br]fruits of a multiracial democracy.

1:04:09.236,1:04:13.896
I felt there was a touch of karaoke about[br]this supposed international politician.

1:04:22.866,1:04:26.436
I was still puzzled by John though[br]and thought I'd pay him one last visit

1:04:26.496,1:04:29.716
to see if I could pin him down.

1:04:30.576,1:04:32.776
We'll look at the cartoons.

1:04:37.516,1:04:42.366
>> Okay. How far will niggers go to compound[br]the misery of an unfortunate situation?

1:04:42.916,1:04:46.306
How about looting during a major hurricane?

1:04:46.576,1:04:50.986
>> Do you fi-- how do you react to that?

1:04:51.186,1:04:52.526
>> I don't have any reaction at all.

1:04:53.986,1:04:55.316
I just smoked a cigarette.

1:04:55.316,1:04:57.796
Can I-- I got-- my mouth is a little dry.

1:04:57.796,1:05:00.496
Can I go over to the hose and,[br]you know, get a little water?

1:05:00.496,1:05:00.566
>> Yeah.

1:05:00.566,1:05:01.216
>> Yeah let's go.

1:05:01.316,1:05:01.596
Okay, yeah.

1:05:01.646,1:05:03.516
>> I don't want to-- do you[br]want to stop doing this, John?

1:05:03.516,1:05:04.506
>> No, no, no, no, no.

1:05:04.506,1:05:07.976
I want to answer your questions because it's--

1:05:08.536,1:05:11.526
>> I mean this is the message that you're--

1:05:11.566,1:05:13.746
>> This is what a manager does.

1:05:13.746,1:05:15.976
This is what an agent or a manager does.

1:05:16.516,1:05:25.546
[ Water splashing ]

1:05:26.046,1:05:26.966
>> Cigarettes, yuck!

1:05:27.566,1:05:36.426
>> Because this is the message[br]that you're promoting.

1:05:36.426,1:05:40.746
>> [Laughs] So how is this going to come out?

1:05:40.816,1:05:44.306
Are you going to say that, you know,[br]I'm an asshole because of this magazine?

1:05:44.306,1:05:44.996
>> I'd say that to your face.

1:05:44.996,1:05:47.456
>> This is my client's--[br]this is my client's magazine.

1:05:47.726,1:05:49.466
>> I'm not trying to make you [inaudible]--

1:05:49.466,1:05:55.066
>> A manager that is working for their[br]client is working for their client.

1:05:55.686,1:05:58.336
A lawyer that is representing somebody--

1:05:58.336,1:06:01.856
>> I think you know-- I mean I think you know[br]that this stuff is obscene and that's why I'm--

1:06:01.856,1:06:02.606
>> It's not obscene.

1:06:02.606,1:06:06.836
>> I can see the way you talk about it you[br]have a kind of sense of guilt about it.

1:06:06.936,1:06:08.056
I honestly can.

1:06:08.106,1:06:12.586
I think that's why your mouth went down.

1:06:12.586,1:06:14.986
>> [Laughs] Gosh, I love you so much, Louis.

1:06:15.016,1:06:18.026
>> I know you kind of have[br]a sense of guilt about it.

1:06:18.026,1:06:18.626
I can tell.

1:06:19.086,1:06:19.936
I seriously can.

1:06:20.746,1:06:21.946
>> You know I have a sense of guilt?

1:06:22.126,1:06:24.566
Well Louis, let me tell you[br]something, there is no sense of guilt.

1:06:25.136,1:06:31.576
There is a representative's duty--

1:06:31.576,1:06:35.556
>> And I think you're only doing it[br]because you had a few bad breaks.

1:06:35.666,1:06:36.856
You had your problem with drugs--

1:06:37.486,1:06:37.956
>> No no no no no--

1:06:37.956,1:06:40.436
>> getting arrested, doing time,[br]and so you can't get other kinds.

1:06:40.436,1:06:40.506
>> No.

1:06:40.506,1:06:41.926
>> So that's why you're representing--

1:06:42.006,1:06:42.596
>> No no no no--

1:06:42.646,1:06:42.756
>> Tom.

1:06:42.756,1:06:44.216
>> let's deal with this like this.

1:06:44.216,1:06:45.266
>> It's because you haven't got other options.

1:06:45.266,1:06:47.146
>> No no no no, let me answer your question.

1:06:47.986,1:06:50.206
A few bad breaks.

1:06:50.746,1:06:53.576
When I went to prison it was the best thing[br]that ever happened to me in the world.

1:06:53.576,1:06:54.196
Do you know why?

1:06:54.906,1:06:57.386
It taught me what's really going on.

1:06:57.606,1:06:59.496
>> Do you think this is the[br]truth, what's in this paper?

1:07:00.906,1:07:08.216
>> He's appealing as any political[br]figure to a broad base of many dimensions

1:07:08.216,1:07:10.416
of people and he's got skinheads.

1:07:10.416,1:07:12.566
He's got this and that.

1:07:12.566,1:07:12.936
>> Oh I give up.

1:07:12.936,1:07:14.396
>> He's got democratic populists--

1:07:14.396,1:07:15.976
>> Every time I ask you a[br]question you kind of go onto a--

1:07:15.976,1:07:17.746
>> No I'm telling you what the truth is.

1:07:18.396,1:07:21.076
>> No but I asked a simple[br]question and you won't answer it.

1:07:21.076,1:07:21.806
>> I'm answering it.

1:07:21.806,1:07:28.706
>> Do you think what's in[br]this paper is the truth?

1:07:28.906,1:07:30.036
>> What this paper is--

1:07:30.036,1:07:31.116
>> You're not-- just please [inaudible]--

1:07:31.116,1:07:34.136
>> What this paper is, is--

1:07:34.516,1:07:36.596
>> Just say no.

1:07:36.596,1:07:38.176
>> Some very hardcore opinions--

1:07:38.176,1:07:39.166
>> Why don't you just say no?

1:07:40.636,1:07:42.226
>> Because that would not be the truth.

1:07:42.656,1:07:43.666
>> Is it wrong or right?

1:07:43.666,1:07:49.576
Does this paper tell the truth[br]or is it a pack of racist lies?

1:07:49.996,1:07:54.626
>> The paper tells the truth and it[br]tells the truth in a way that appeals

1:07:54.626,1:07:58.256
to a certain dimension of his readership.

1:07:58.256,1:07:59.326
>> You think this tells the truth?

1:07:59.756,1:08:01.936
You really think this tells the truth?

1:08:02.326,1:08:03.926
>> Tom Metzger always tells the truth.

1:08:23.546,1:08:23.836
So?

1:08:32.876,1:08:36.305
>> I was heading back to central[br]California to see April and the twins.

1:08:36.906,1:08:41.536
I'd heard that April had booked a studio for[br]Lamb and Lynx to record the first few tracks

1:08:41.536,1:08:45.256
of their debut album to be[br]titled "Fragment of the Future".

1:08:45.256,1:08:47.966
>> Can we just set the [inaudible]?

1:08:48.515,1:08:52.566
[ Music ]

1:08:53.066,1:08:57.305
>> This would be my last day among the[br]Nazis and a final chance to challenge April

1:08:57.626,1:08:59.736
on her indoctrination of her two daughters.

1:09:00.216,1:09:04.926
>> My stickers keep on sliding.

1:09:04.926,1:09:06.256
[laughs]

1:09:06.256,1:09:11.636
>> Would you like to be skinheads[br]when you grow up?

1:09:11.706,1:09:11.776
>> No.

1:09:11.776,1:09:12.216
>> Why not?

1:09:12.765,1:09:16.386
>> Because you have to shave[br]your head a real weird way.

1:09:16.386,1:09:18.725
>> I'm keeping my hair long.

1:09:18.826,1:09:20.935
>> And it's not skinhead, it's skinbird.

1:09:21.066,1:09:22.666
That's a female skinhead.

1:09:23.256,1:09:25.246
>> Would you like to go out[br]with skinheads if you--

1:09:25.246,1:09:28.066
you know when you're older and[br]you're ready to start seeing boys?

1:09:28.666,1:09:28.805
>> Yes.

1:09:29.116,1:09:29.225
>> Sure.

1:09:29.225,1:09:29.606
>> Would you?

1:09:29.606,1:09:29.906
>> Yes. [laughs]

1:09:30.015,1:09:30.246
>> Why?

1:09:30.986,1:09:32.176
>> Because.

1:09:32.305,1:09:32.736
>> Because.

1:09:32.736,1:09:34.566
I would. It's cool.

1:09:35.116,1:09:37.636
>> They're very special people.

1:09:39.576,1:09:42.286
>> What did Lynx-- what did you say Lynx?

1:09:42.526,1:09:43.586
>> They're very special people.

1:09:43.796,1:09:45.185
They're important people.

1:09:45.246,1:09:46.466
>> Why are they important?

1:09:46.466,1:09:53.546
>> Because they're very dedicated[br]to what they believe in.

1:09:53.546,1:09:57.076
>> Would you mind that, April?

1:09:57.076,1:09:58.096
Would you be cool with that?

1:09:59.006,1:10:00.536
>> What, with them dating a skinhead?

1:10:00.746,1:10:03.376
>> Yeah and maybe getting married?

1:10:03.376,1:10:05.366
>> Yeah if he was a good hard worker

1:10:05.366,1:10:10.016
and he wasn't spending his time[br]boozing it up and causing trouble.

1:10:10.326,1:10:14.676
>> I don't know many very well but they[br]seem kind of antisocial, some of them.

1:10:14.676,1:10:18.746
>> Well see to me they're not.

1:10:18.816,1:10:22.286
To me and the girls they're[br]always just so protective

1:10:22.286,1:10:25.316
and polite and ultra, ultra polite to us--

1:10:25.316,1:10:25.446
>> Really?

1:10:25.446,1:10:26.516
>> everywhere we go.

1:10:26.516,1:10:30.966
You know whenever we go to concerts or[br]meetings or anything, they're always just bend

1:10:30.966,1:10:32.786
over backwards to take care of us.

1:10:32.856,1:10:37.726
>> To me they seem kind of-- to me they[br]seem kind of angry and sociopathic.

1:10:38.526,1:10:40.606
>> [Laughs] They just don't seem that way to me.

1:10:40.606,1:10:43.696
I mean when you see them maybe--

1:10:43.816,1:10:47.746
maybe it's because you're just so[br]freaked out when you see people salute.

1:10:47.746,1:10:48.686
Maybe that's why.

1:10:48.686,1:10:51.206
>> Maybe I'm just not meeting[br]any of the really good ones.

1:10:51.576,1:10:52.236
>> Maybe.

1:10:52.236,1:10:53.286
>> The marriage material.

1:10:53.516,1:10:55.686
>> Hate for hate.

1:10:55.686,1:10:57.046
>> And root for root.

1:10:57.496,1:10:58.446
>> Eye for eye.

1:10:58.766,1:10:59.796
>> And tooth for tooth.

1:11:00.806,1:11:01.936
>> Scorn for scorn

1:11:02.126,1:11:03.296
>> And smile for smile.

1:11:03.766,1:11:04.706
>> Love for love.

1:11:04.906,1:11:05.726
>> And guile for guile.

1:11:05.726,1:11:06.856
>> War for war.

1:11:06.856,1:11:08.086
>> And woe for woe.

1:11:08.086,1:11:10.276
>> Blood for blood.

1:11:10.276,1:11:11.926
>> And blow for blow.

1:11:16.856,1:11:17.796
>> Ooh that's pretty.

1:11:20.176,1:11:25.886
>> So do you think you'll go to school one day?

1:11:26.766,1:11:30.786
>> Maybe next year when we're[br]ready but right now--

1:11:30.786,1:11:33.666
>> Mom says in a year or two.

1:11:34.086,1:11:34.506
Maybe.

1:11:34.576,1:11:35.516
>> Would you like to?

1:11:35.516,1:11:35.876
>> Yeah [inaudible].

1:11:36.636,1:11:37.596
>> It'd be okay.

1:11:37.596,1:11:38.876
>> I think it'd be fun.

1:11:46.256,1:11:49.246
>> And do you know why she[br]doesn't want you to go school now?

1:11:50.146,1:11:56.306
>> Yeah. One of the things is because we're[br]having a little bit of money problems.

1:11:56.606,1:11:59.506
And we need new clothes.

1:12:00.466,1:12:01.596
Like school clothes.

1:12:03.576,1:12:06.506
>> You know I didn't realize you have[br]to wear special clothes to school.

1:12:06.506,1:12:10.576
I thought your mom didn't want you going to[br]school at the moment because she disagreed

1:12:10.576,1:12:12.466
with what they were teaching in school.

1:12:12.556,1:12:13.076
>> Also that.

1:12:13.076,1:12:20.346
But she wants us to go to high school.

1:12:20.466,1:12:23.356
But we may not go.

1:12:23.496,1:12:27.836
>> Why are you, why would[br]you like to go to school?

1:12:27.946,1:12:29.456
What is it about school that you would like?

1:12:30.006,1:12:36.876
>> So we'd get to meet a lot of friends and--[br]it's kind of boring just sitting home all day

1:12:36.876,1:12:40.196
and not-- and all your friends are at school.

1:12:40.196,1:12:44.046
And you've got to wait for them.

1:12:44.216,1:12:49.526
>> Wait until they get home.

1:12:49.786,1:12:50.006
>> [Inaudible] dudes.

1:12:52.296,1:12:58.886
>> [Inaudible] this is not[br]the way you treat a book.

1:12:59.856,1:13:01.776
Especially one as nice as this.

1:13:01.776,1:13:03.286
No. It's new sis.

1:13:03.286,1:13:12.786
>> Back at the house and Lamb and Lynx were due[br]to go to a school carnival with some friends.

1:13:12.786,1:13:16.026
[music] April had told me that Lamb and Lynx's[br]friends don't know that they're being raised

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as racists and I wondered how leading this[br]double life would affect them in the long term.

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I knew it was hopeless but I[br]thought I'd try and talk to April.

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>> Okay you guys are going now?

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>> Are you going?

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>> Yes.

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>> It's been a pleasure working with you.

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>> Yes. Don't [inaudible].

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>> Have a nice time at the carnival.

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>> Thank you.

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>> You should give Louis a hug.

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>> Okay, bye.

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>> Bye, Shaggy.

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[laughs]

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>> Bye.

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>> Okay bye girls.

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>> Have a nice time at the carnival.

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>> No no no no no.

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I don't like the milk in it.

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>> Had-- have you thought about the implications[br]of indoctrinating Lynx and Lamb in this way?

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>> Of course I have.

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>> And have you had-- have you had second[br]thoughts or misgivings of any kind?

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>> I don't want to teach them to be politically[br]correct just because that's the easy way out.

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I don't want to tell them--

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>> I understand that.

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But I don't think that means--

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>> Because it's not the easy way.

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This is not the easy way.

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>> It's not a choice between--[br]the choice you face is really,

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is to bring them up judging[br]people fairly or not.

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That's kind of I think what[br]you want to think about.

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>> I don't understand how I'm not doing that.

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>> You're making it--

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>> I think a person--

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>> I mean far be it from me to-- I[br]don't have kids so I don't know but--

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>> a person who tells their children that[br]all people are created equal and that men

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and women are equal, in my mind[br]they're lying to their children.

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They're just, they're blatantly[br]lying to their child.

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>> Do you realize what a handicap[br]that will be for them in life?

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>> No. It won't be.

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>> They're going to-- they'll be going through[br]life as-- with this dual mindset which is,

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you know, what their mum[br]has told them [inaudible]--

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>> They shouldn't have to go through--

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>> normal people conduct[br]themselves in the world.

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>> They shouldn't have to go through--[br]well, see, but I believe that we're normal

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and that we're correct and that[br]other people are distorted.

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So yes I'm, I understand that I'm[br]raising my children in a perverted world,

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in a perverted multiculturalist world.

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I'm teaching-- I have to teach my[br]children the truth despite the fact

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that that's a dangerous thing[br]to be teaching them.

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I'm doing something that is very dangerous.

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But I can't, could not live[br]with myself if I were

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to tell them anything different[br]because it would be a lie.

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It's--

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>> I think what it's about really--

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>> You know?

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Don't you think that it's difficult--

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>> is judging people based on who they[br]are not your prejudice about who they are.

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Kind of giving people a chance.

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>> I find other races annoying.

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They bother me.

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I find them annoying.

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I don't like their chattering[br]in other languages.

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I don't like to look-- the[br]way they look, you know?

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I mean 99% of them I just find the way that[br]they look just really-- they're just not pretty.

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They're not attractive to me.

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I don't want to be around them.

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I don't like the way that they act.

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I don't like the way they[br]allow their children to behave.

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I don't like the way they deal with situations.

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I don't like the fact that they seem

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to just make everything messy[br]and dirty wherever they are.

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I don't like that.

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I don't like to be around them.

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I want to be around all white people.

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But it's like I feel like I can't be that--

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>> Do you ever-- I mean I'm[br]not being facetious but like--

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I'm not being facetious but have you[br]ever thought about getting some kind

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of therapy or something like that?

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Because what you have is like[br]almost like a pathological--

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>> Have you ever thought about getting therapy

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and maybe realizing how brainwashed[br]you are by multiculturalism?

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>> I feel like I'm pretty[br]well connected to reality.

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>> Well, see I feel that I am too.

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Just, you know?

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>> But, but you're outvoted.

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>> Huh?

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>> But basically you're outvoted.

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>> What? Here?

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>> In civilized thought, yeah basically.

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>> My journey through the world of Nazis[br]had reached a frustrating conclusion

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with an argument in a kitchen[br]with a mother of two.

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>> Well Louis, it was nice meeting you--

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>> I seem to have made no impact on[br]April during my time with her and I had

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to keep reminding myself just how[br]anomalous her beliefs actually are.

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Somehow it wasn't much consolation when the ones

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who would pay the consequences[br]were her children, Lamb and Lynx.

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See you later.

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>> Bye.

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>> Did I ever tell you the[br]thing about Denzel Washington?

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>> What about?

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>> That Tom said?

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>> What'd he say about him?

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>> He said that he thinks he's better[br]looking than Denzel Washington.

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>> I think Tom is too.

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As a matter of fact we're going[br]to make a mug out of Tom's head.

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I want to trademark his head.

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That, you know, that beautiful head.

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>> Like what you would drink out of here?

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>> Yeah. [laughs]

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>> [Inaudible] you wouldn't[br]enjoy a drink out of that.

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>> I sure would.

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Oh yeah, man.

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>> People like mugs.

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>> Oh yeah they love mugs.

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>> His head would make a good mug.

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>> Oh yeah.

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Oh Louis.