0:00:00.000,0:00:04.000 ♪ (intro music) ♪ 0:00:09.228,0:00:10.578 (water drips) 0:00:27.636,0:00:32.390 SHAHZIA SIKANDER: There's something about [br]the process, the miniature process of 0:00:32.390,0:00:39.842 painting in this scale, primarily, [br]which keeps it in control. 0:00:42.737,0:00:45.467 I'm basically staining the paper 0:00:45.467,0:00:49.467 and it has to be a very even stain. 0:00:51.331,0:00:52.931 It's slow, and you have to 0:00:52.931,0:00:56.023 keep the edge of the tea really, sort of, 0:00:56.023,0:00:59.333 always in flow, so that you just drip the 0:00:59.333,0:01:02.443 whole edge down steadily. 0:01:04.837,0:01:06.567 It's very meditative 0:01:06.879,0:01:10.109 and there's a sense of familiarity, 0:01:10.109,0:01:13.239 because a lot of years have gone in here. 0:01:14.029,0:01:15.529 (rubbing paper) 0:01:22.290,0:01:24.100 One thing I've learned is respect for 0:01:24.100,0:01:26.663 tradition and respect for patience 0:01:26.663,0:01:29.773 (laughs) because you just cannot achieve 0:01:29.773,0:01:32.643 anything... [br]You can't achieve a painting if 0:01:32.643,0:01:34.314 you don't... You need time. 0:01:34.314,0:01:35.838 Time is the key. 0:01:36.108,0:01:42.908 I can't do a show and prepare a body of [br]work in a year. I need three to four years 0:01:43.475,0:01:45.525 ♪ (contemplative music) ♪ 0:02:04.148,0:02:10.015 Miniature painting comes out of book [br]illustration, manuscript painting... 0:02:10.015,0:02:12.527 It's an old art form. 0:02:13.571,0:02:16.591 All the strange, stacked-up perspective, 0:02:17.250,0:02:20.140 interior spaces and suggestions of 0:02:20.140,0:02:21.973 windows and doors, which suggest the 0:02:21.973,0:02:27.027 outside world or the spiritual world, or [br]some notion of perfection. 0:02:27.651,0:02:29.751 ♪ (contemplative music) ♪ 0:02:31.900,0:02:35.120 That kind of jewel-like translucency that 0:02:35.120,0:02:40.110 comes through is only because you have a [br]discipline behind it. 0:02:40.491,0:02:41.611 (paper rubbing) 0:02:42.257,0:02:45.557 It takes many, many layers - at least ten 0:02:45.557,0:02:48.727 to twenty layers of different colour - to 0:02:48.727,0:02:52.027 build it up. You have to be very careful, 0:02:52.027,0:02:54.065 because if your brush is loaded with too 0:02:54.065,0:02:56.395 much water, you'll lift off the earlier 0:02:56.395,0:02:59.667 layers of pigment also, because [br]they're not sealed. 0:03:00.447,0:03:02.735 So, it's practice. 0:03:03.874,0:03:07.299 Sometimes, when I'm not in practice, 0:03:07.299,0:03:11.099 all of ten years of experience doesn't [br]mean a thing! (laughs) 0:03:19.219,0:03:21.038 When we were studying in school in 0:03:21.038,0:03:24.808 Pakistan, my teacher used to have us sit 0:03:24.808,0:03:30.698 on the floor on white sheets and you had [br]to leave your shoes outside. 0:03:30.698,0:03:35.513 Everything was very precise and very clean[br]and very minimal. 0:03:36.696,0:03:40.707 You worked on your work and [br]did eye exercises. 0:03:40.707,0:03:45.876 You kept your work at least [br]a foot away from your eyes. 0:03:46.166,0:03:51.246 It was very methodical. [br]It was very ritualistic, also. 0:03:53.352,0:03:56.042 ♪ (contemplative music) ♪ 0:04:13.282,0:04:18.482 I feel like why I loved miniature painting[br]early on... For me, it was painting. 0:04:18.925,0:04:21.125 I was looking and understanding the formal 0:04:21.125,0:04:23.606 sensibility of painting - except I was not 0:04:23.606,0:04:28.049 painting on canvas; I was painting on [br]paper with a particular set of materials. 0:04:28.853,0:04:35.640 But it was all about surface, palette, [br]form, composition, stylization... 0:04:36.613,0:04:40.613 And self-expression came later. 0:04:43.077,0:04:45.637 ♪ (contemplative music) ♪ 0:05:03.420,0:05:09.026 A lot of my work is deeply personal [br]and drawn on memory. 0:05:09.650,0:05:12.820 If you look at this particular border, 0:05:12.820,0:05:15.870 it's called 'Writing the Written'. 0:05:16.300,0:05:19.310 Here, the text becomes more like horses. 0:05:19.310,0:05:21.524 There's a suggestion of movement. 0:05:21.524,0:05:29.434 That aspect is my experience of reading [br]the Quran, where I would read it with no 0:05:29.434,0:05:33.994 particular understanding because I was a [br]child. I could read Arabic but I couldn't 0:05:33.994,0:05:42.032 understand it. The memory of it is this [br]amazing visual memory where 0:05:42.032,0:05:47.339 the beauty of the written word [br]supersedes everything else. 0:05:48.599,0:05:52.258 The meaning is there, but it's not [br]just the meaning - it's the ability of the 0:05:52.258,0:05:54.492 written text to take you [br]to that other level. 0:05:54.932,0:05:57.882 ♪ (contemplative music) ♪ 0:06:04.095,0:06:10.061 My whole purpose of taking on miniature [br]painting was to break the tradition, 0:06:10.061,0:06:14.919 to experiment with it, [br]to find new ways of making meaning, 0:06:14.919,0:06:17.408 to question the relevance of it. 0:06:18.074,0:06:19.464 (paper rustles) 0:06:23.340,0:06:27.060 The starting point in all my work, [br]whether it's small or it's large, 0:06:27.060,0:06:32.510 actually begins as simple drawings, which [br]are done on transparent tissue paper. 0:06:33.233,0:06:34.503 (paper rustles) 0:06:37.078,0:06:41.078 A lot of the images that exist in my work 0:06:41.078,0:06:45.078 were happening because I was interested in 0:06:46.701,0:06:50.331 subverting Hindu with Muslim [br]and Muslim with Hindu. 0:06:52.769,0:06:55.719 Having grown up as a Muslim in Pakistan, 0:06:55.719,0:06:59.910 I didn't have that much information [br]about Hindu mythology. 0:06:59.910,0:07:06.839 When I came here, I realized that these [br]were the things which still interested me. 0:07:09.364,0:07:10.784 (paper rustles) 0:07:16.170,0:07:20.526 I was looking at the idea [br]of the Hindu goddess. 0:07:20.526,0:07:22.925 It didn't matter how many hands it had, 0:07:22.925,0:07:26.609 just the notion that it was the female [br]body with several hands was important. 0:07:26.609,0:07:29.615 But the goddess had a very specific face. 0:07:29.615,0:07:35.146 Here, I was stripping off the face [br]and putting a headdress, like the veil, 0:07:35.146,0:07:39.365 on top of it. Yet the veil is on [br]top of a Hindu goddess. 0:07:40.495,0:07:43.830 Not to underestimate what's [br]behind the veil. 0:07:47.316,0:07:51.176 The miniatures bring the word 'veil' [br]into the equation. 0:07:51.176,0:07:56.936 It kind of connects you to a [br]Muslim identity or a woman's identity. 0:07:56.936,0:07:59.506 These are very loaded issues to take on, 0:07:59.506,0:08:01.165 because anything and everything 0:08:01.165,0:08:05.935 associated with Islam is either terrorism [br]or oppression for women. 0:08:07.527,0:08:11.527 Culturally, it's not my experience. 0:08:13.097,0:08:17.097 My grandparents, my parents... Everybody [br]was very, very progressive, 0:08:17.097,0:08:18.717 very supportive people. 0:08:18.717,0:08:25.540 My grandfather was very encouraging [br]towards careers for women - for everybody. 0:08:25.968,0:08:29.399 All the girls in the family did something [br]with their lives. 0:08:30.534,0:08:34.344 SIKANDER'S MOTHER: But then I was more [br]keen... "If she's going to the National 0:08:34.344,0:08:38.276 College of Art, then she might as well do [br]architecture, which has scope." 0:08:38.276,0:08:44.116 You know, when she said: [br]"Fine Arts," one was a bit... 0:08:44.116,0:08:47.739 At the most, you just hang [br]a few paintings in the house... 0:08:47.917,0:08:50.937 Whether you have a future or not...[br](BOTH LAUGH) 0:08:50.937,0:08:54.237 - So I was skeptical about that...[br]- (SHAHZIA) Sorry! 0:08:54.879,0:08:56.714 (machinery whirs) 0:08:59.073,0:09:00.113 (rustling) 0:09:05.583,0:09:07.788 (SHAHZIA) This type of work for me was 0:09:07.788,0:09:11.788 just the opposite of the process of [br]doing miniature painting. 0:09:11.839,0:09:13.629 (machinery whirs) 0:09:15.911,0:09:19.911 (paper rustles) 0:09:21.556,0:09:25.156 This particular installation is much, [br]much more spontaneous 0:09:25.156,0:09:29.756 and it's always a challenge, because [br]the decisions made are fast. 0:09:33.029,0:09:37.335 It involves my entire body. I'm [br]working within the space 0:09:37.335,0:09:41.470 and I'm up and down the ladders [br]and I'm painting, 0:09:41.470,0:09:46.490 and everything kind of happens from [br]start till end within four to five days. 0:09:46.629,0:09:50.629 So there's a certain energy [br]which comes out. 0:09:50.958,0:09:52.398 (paper rustles) 0:09:52.918,0:09:55.473 There is a certain sense of a low-relief, 0:09:55.473,0:09:59.473 where several drawings have been hung [br]on top of each other. 0:09:59.923,0:10:01.323 (paper slides) 0:10:02.989,0:10:04.849 There's no intention to hide anything. 0:10:04.849,0:10:06.439 Everything is very visible. 0:10:06.439,0:10:08.413 The paper is transparent. 0:10:08.413,0:10:10.564 It flows, it moves... 0:10:13.001,0:10:15.711 The idea comes out of this whole 0:10:15.711,0:10:18.861 relationship to veiling [br]and revealing. 0:10:20.267,0:10:24.267 (distant footsteps, paper rustles) 0:10:26.440,0:10:30.758 I'm always taking photographs, [br]doing sketches or taking notes. 0:10:30.760,0:10:34.760 Then, I carry them wherever I go. 0:10:36.829,0:10:41.825 I brought so much stuff from Pakistan [br]and then so much stuff from Texas, 0:10:41.825,0:10:47.753 and every time I sit to do some work, [br]all of it is opened up. 0:10:49.369,0:10:51.479 (machinery whirs)[br](switch clicks) 0:10:54.999,0:10:57.765 For me, it's always like these [br]divine circles. 0:10:57.765,0:10:59.875 (laughs) [br]You know, you go and you experience 0:10:59.875,0:11:03.144 something, and you come back right [br]where you started. 0:11:12.366,0:11:15.066 When I'm working large and I paint 0:11:15.066,0:11:19.066 and do murals, the next thing is: always [br]I come back to miniature painting. 0:11:25.457,0:11:28.253 I can hate miniature for a while, 0:11:28.253,0:11:31.444 because it's frustrating, [br]for all the different reasons 0:11:31.444,0:11:36.614 of doing something so labor-intensive [br]which takes years to make. 0:11:37.096,0:11:39.636 It's always like, 'Why do I do this?' 0:11:39.986,0:11:42.078 And I'll let go, and I'll do [br]something else, 0:11:42.078,0:11:44.252 but I always come back to it. 0:11:44.382,0:11:54.201 Maybe because the sheer act of doing it [br]gives me a certain sort of peace. 0:11:55.745,0:11:58.065 ♪ (contemplative music) ♪ 0:12:16.433,0:12:18.273 ♪ (outro music) ♪ 0:12:38.921,0:12:42.445 VOICEOVER: To order a 2-tape set [br]of art:21 - Art in the 21st Century 0:12:42.445,0:12:45.873 on video cassette [br]or the companion book to the program, 0:12:45.873,0:12:50.523 call PBS Home Video at [br]1-800-PLAY-PBS. 0:12:53.426,0:12:57.426 To learn more about art:21 - [br]Art in the 21st Century, 0:12:57.426,0:13:04.939 and to download the free Teacher's Guide, [br]please visit PBS online at PBS.org 0:13:05.514,0:13:07.074 ♪ (outro music) ♪