1 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ♪ [music] ♪ 2 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [Alex] In our previous videos, we explained the benefits of trade. 3 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Today we're going to evaluate some of the arguments 4 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that one often hears about limiting international trade. 5 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 International trade is a controversial subject. 6 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 There are a lot of arguments surrounding it. 7 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We're not going to go through all of them by any means. 8 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But here are some of the most common: 9 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That trade reduces the number of jobs in the United States. 10 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That it's wrong to trade with countries that use child labor. 11 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That we need to keep certain jobs at home for national security. 12 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We need to keep certain key industries at home 13 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because of beneficial spillovers onto other sectors of the economy. 14 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And we can increase U.S. well-being, the argument goes, 15 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 with strategic trade protectionism. 16 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we're going to evaluate, say, 17 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a few things about each one of these arguments. 18 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Let's consider trade and jobs. 19 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 What happens when a tariff is lowered? 20 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Well, imports will increase, and there will be fewer jobs 21 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in the import competing industry. 22 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 For example, if we have a tariff on shoes and we reduce the tariff, 23 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we'll have imports of more shoes from China and from Vietnam, 24 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that will mean fewer jobs 25 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in the American shoe-producing industry. 26 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That's what people see when they think about reducing a tariff. 27 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 They're worried about losing those jobs in the American industry. 28 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 However, we want to see the issue in a deeper way, 29 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in a more fundamental way, and a key question to ask is, 30 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 "Why do people send us goods? Why would workers in China, 31 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in Vietnam, work long hours to send us shoes?" 32 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's certainly not from the kindness of their heart. 33 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ultimately, they want goods in return, goods or services. 34 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 They are working -- they are producing in order to consume 35 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 goods because they want goods in return. 36 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 They are not doing it out of the goodness of their heart, 37 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but out of self-interest as Adam Smith said. 38 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And that leads to a fundamental insight about international trade. 39 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Namely, we pay for our imports with exports. 40 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 When we import more, we will ultimately export more 41 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because we pay for our imports through our exports. 42 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 What this means is that trade doesn't destroy jobs overall. 43 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Trade moves jobs from import-competing industries 44 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to export industries, and overall, wages increase on average 45 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because of comparative advantage. 46 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Because we pay for our imports with exports, 47 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when we import more, we will export more. 48 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 [ ] import-competing industries and increase 49 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in the export industries. 50 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Now, this process is not always easy. 51 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Problems can occur when we lose jobs in low-skill import-competing 52 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 sectors and gain jobs in high-skill export sectors. 53 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Overall, when the United States imports goods, we typically 54 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 import goods produced by low-skill, because America on average 55 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is a high-skill economy, has high-skilled workers 56 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 on a world level, but we do have some low-skill workers, 57 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and imports tend to compete with the products 58 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 produced by low-skilled workers. 59 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Everything will be fine if our education system is 60 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 working well, and if those low-skill workers can increase 61 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 their skills and move to high-tech, 62 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 or high-skill, not necessarily high-tech, high-skill sectors. 63 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Of course, that's a big "if" and the transition can be difficult. 64 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We have to put this in context, however. 65 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 In a growing economy, jobs are appearing and disappearing 66 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 all the time, not just or even fundamentally because 67 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of international trade, but because of changes 68 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in preferences and changes in technology. 69 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Let's take a look at that. It's important when thinking 70 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 about trade and jobs and jobs in general 71 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that the American economy succeeds precisely because jobs are being 72 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 created and destroyed all the time. 73 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Job destruction is often a sign of progress and growth. 74 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Think about Thomas Edison. 75 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 He destroyed the whaling industry with his invention of the light bulb. 76 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 CDs -- some of you may not even remember Compact Discs -- 77 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they destroyed jobs in the record industry. 78 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 MP3s destroyed jobs in the CD industry. 79 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 This is the way progress often occurs. 80 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Employment and the standard of living overall keep rising 81 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 over time, and the reason they're rising is precisely that old jobs 82 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 are being destroyed, new jobs are being created. 83 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Overall, in the churn there's a trend towards richer jobs, 84 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 higher-paying jobs, higher wages. 85 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Overall technology, trade, these benefit the U.S. economy. 86 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Child labor is something which no one wants, 87 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but it's important to understand that child labor is something 88 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which happens when people are poor. 89 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 [ ] and the United States. 90 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Child labor declined in the developed world 91 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 as people got richer. 92 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Forces that reduced child labor in the developed world are also 93 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 at work in the developing countries. 94 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 As countries become richer, child labor declines. 95 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 What this graph shows is that as real GDP per capita increases, 96 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the percent of children ages 10 to 14 in the labor force decreases. 97 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So increases in real GDP reduce 98 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the percent of children in the labor force. 99 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The circles, by the way, are proportional to the absolute number 100 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of children in the labor force, so in China, for example, 101 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there are about 12 percent of kids in the labor force, 102 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but because there are so many Chinese children, that's 103 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a large number of children in absolute numbers. 104 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Again the key here is really 105 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that economic growth reduces child labor. 106 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 [ ] to become rich. 107 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The question is, "Can one accelerate this process by banning 108 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 child labor or by refusing to trade with countries that use child labor?" 109 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That's really refusing to trade with the poorest of countries. 110 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Do we really want to do that? 111 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Do we really want to say to poor countries, 112 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 "We're not going to trade with you." 113 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 There are many opportunities here for unintended consequences 114 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of laws which may have been, tried to do a good thing, but backfire. 115 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So, for example, when India banned child labor, 116 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 one of the effects of that was to reduce the wages of children 117 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because now you have to hire them under the table. 118 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Because their wages were lower, the families were poorer, and because the 119 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 families were poorer, they had to rely even more on child labor. So it is very 120 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 easy to create a policy which backfires. It is not, in my view, a good idea to use 121 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 international trade as a weapon or as a tool against child labor. 122 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 A much better idea would be to help poor countries, would be to offer free 123 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 schooling in poor countries, to offer lunches for schools in poor countries. 124 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 This increases the incentive to send the children to school because then they are 125 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 fed. So there are lots of things we can do to reduce child labor in poorer countries, 126 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but to say to those countries, "We're not going to trade with you because you're 127 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 poor and you're using child labor," just exactly the same way we did in the 19th 128 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 century, that is really not in my view a productive policy. 129 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Trade and national security. Yeah, some industries probably should be protected to 130 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 protect national security. The problem is this argument is subject to great abuse. 131 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Almost every industry can and does make the claim that they're essential for 132 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 national security. So let's give some examples. Vaccine production? Yes, 133 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 probably a good idea for us to have some domestic capability. We don't always want 134 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to buy our vaccines from abroad, just in case. Angora goat fleece? Am I serious? 135 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Yes. Believe it or not, we have protected Angora goats with the argument that their 136 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 fleece is necessary to produce military uniforms. Yep, some people think goats are 137 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 vital to national security. I'm not kidding. 138 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The key industries argument is very popular among the high-tech crowd. The 139 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 argument is, is that there are some industries which for a variety of reasons 140 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 are especially important for a nation to have a foothold in. "Biology, microbiology 141 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is going to be the future, therefore we need to have this type of industry." Or, 142 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 'Computers are the future, therefore we need to have this type of industry." The 143 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 argument is that these industries create spillovers for other industries. They 144 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 create learning, they create research, they create workers, high-tech workers, 145 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which spread out to other areas of the economy and benefit the economy in ways 146 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which go beyond the GDP produced by those particular industries. 147 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Ross Perot famously made this argument when he said, "Producing computer chips is 148 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 better than potato chips." In some ways this may be true, but it's 149 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 overall not a compelling argument. For example, today most computer chips are 150 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 cheap, mass-produced products. They're not something we really want to be producing 151 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 at all. They're not even produced with a lot of labor. They're mostly produced in 152 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 big factories which don't actually make a lot of money. Much better to design the 153 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 product the way Apple does, making lots of profit, than to buy the chips which Apple 154 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 uses in its iPhones, which don't make a lot of money at all. 155 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 In 1990, Walmart contributed more to the boom in productivity than Silicon Valley. 156 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So it's always difficult to say exactly which are the most important industries. 157 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You wouldn't think that Walmart retail is a hugely important industry, and yet, 158 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Walmart is the world's largest firm and it has done a huge amount to make the 159 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 American economy more productive. So no one really knows which industries are the 160 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ones with the really important spillovers, and when we add in political economy, the 161 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 tendency for politics to often choose based upon the wrong reasons, this 162 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 argument is really not very compelling. Here's an argument which again works in 163 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 theory but is less likely to work in practice. It's possible for a country to 164 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 use tariffs and quotas to get a larger share of the gains from trade. The 165 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 argument here is that if you can limit or tax exports, not tax imports, but tax 166 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 exports, then you can let domestic firms act as a cartel, so it's a way of helping 167 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 domestic firms to be more like a monopoly, to act like a cartel. So the government 168 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 plus the domestic firms put, creates a tax, or limits exports in order to raise 169 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the price of those exports on world markets and in order to grab up more of 170 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the gains from trade. 171 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It can work, especially if there are few substitutes for US-produced goods. On the 172 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 other hand, if there are substitutes for US-produced goods or if we push the price 173 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of our goods up too high, and that creates the substitutes, we may in the long run 174 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 really reduce our market. Moreover, these arguments for strategic trade 175 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 protectionism are not such a great idea if other countries can retaliate. If every 176 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 country tries to do this, then world trade as a whole will shrink and no country will 177 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be better off. So in trying to grab up a larger slice of the pie, we have to always 178 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 be worried about making the pie smaller. Again, the argument works in theory. A 179 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 very clever government might be able to do it, but in practice, this is really not a 180 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 very good reason for limiting trade. So to sum up, restrictions on trade waste 181 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 resources by transferring production from low-cost foreign producers to high-cost 182 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 domestic producers. Restrictions on trade also prevent domestic consumers from 183 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 exploiting all of the gains from trade. There are some good arguments for 184 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 restricting trade. Some arguments are valid, but they're usually of limited 185 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 applicability. Overall, I think free trade is a robust policy in the sense that it's a 186 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 policy which works well in most circumstances and protectionism will work 187 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 well only in a limited number of circumstances. 188 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Thanks! 189 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - [male] If you want to test yourself, click Practice Questions. Or, if you're 190 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ready move on, just click Next Video. 191 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 ♪ [music] ♪