WEBVTT 00:00:06.755 --> 00:00:10.037 A national hero? Or public enemy number one? 00:00:10.037 --> 00:00:12.450 Historical figures are often controversial, 00:00:12.450 --> 00:00:14.836 but few were as deified or vilified 00:00:14.836 --> 00:00:16.496 in their lifetime 00:00:16.496 --> 00:00:19.129 as the seventh President of the United States. 00:00:19.129 --> 00:00:22.888 This is History vs. Andrew Jackson. 00:00:22.888 --> 00:00:27.973 "Order, order, hm, uh, what were we...ah yes, Mr. Jackson! 00:00:27.973 --> 00:00:31.225 You stand accused of degrading the office of the presidency, 00:00:31.225 --> 00:00:33.612 causing financial collapse 00:00:33.612 --> 00:00:36.644 and wanton cruelty against American Indians. 00:00:36.644 --> 00:00:39.147 How do you plead?" 00:00:39.147 --> 00:00:41.558 "Now, Your Honor, I am not a big city lawyer, 00:00:41.558 --> 00:00:43.865 but I do know a few things. 00:00:43.865 --> 00:00:45.532 And I know that President Jackson was 00:00:45.532 --> 00:00:47.035 a self-made frontiersman, 00:00:47.035 --> 00:00:48.157 a great general, 00:00:48.157 --> 00:00:50.788 a real man of the people." 00:00:50.788 --> 00:00:52.583 "Your Honor, this 'man of the people' was a gambler, 00:00:52.583 --> 00:00:54.480 a drunk, and a brawler. 00:00:54.480 --> 00:00:55.890 Why, I've heard it said that 00:00:55.890 --> 00:00:57.087 he would fight at the drop of the hat 00:00:57.087 --> 00:00:58.808 and then drop the hat himself. 00:00:58.808 --> 00:00:59.974 I ask you, 00:00:59.974 --> 00:01:02.875 was such a man fit for the most distinguished office in the nation? 00:01:02.875 --> 00:01:05.159 Can we forget the debacle of his inauguration? 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:07.557 Who ever heard of inviting a drunken mob 00:01:07.557 --> 00:01:09.146 into the White House? 00:01:09.146 --> 00:01:12.205 It took ages to get the upholstery clean." 00:01:12.205 --> 00:01:15.563 "That drunken mob, sir, was the American people, 00:01:15.563 --> 00:01:18.064 and they deserve to celebrate their victory." 00:01:18.064 --> 00:01:21.975 "Order, order! Now, did this celebration have pie?" 00:01:21.975 --> 00:01:24.363 "Very well. Mr. Jackson, is it not the case 00:01:24.363 --> 00:01:25.812 that immediately upon assuming office 00:01:25.812 --> 00:01:27.584 you introduced the spoils system, 00:01:27.584 --> 00:01:30.481 replacing hundreds of perfectly good federal employees 00:01:30.481 --> 00:01:33.497 with incompetent party loyalists?" 00:01:33.497 --> 00:01:35.664 "Your Honor, the President did no such thing. 00:01:35.664 --> 00:01:38.003 He tried to institute rotation in office 00:01:38.003 --> 00:01:41.098 to avoid any profiteering or funny business. 00:01:41.098 --> 00:01:42.514 It was the rest of the party 00:01:42.514 --> 00:01:45.726 who insisted on giving posts to their lackeys." 00:01:45.726 --> 00:01:48.228 "But Mr. Jackson complied, did he not?" 00:01:48.228 --> 00:01:50.251 "Now, uh, see here." 00:01:50.251 --> 00:01:51.435 "Moving on. 00:01:51.435 --> 00:01:53.524 Mr. Jackson, did you not help to cause 00:01:53.524 --> 00:01:55.938 the financial Panic of 1837, 00:01:55.938 --> 00:01:58.063 and the ensuing economic depression 00:01:58.063 --> 00:01:59.808 with your obsessive war 00:01:59.808 --> 00:02:01.524 against the Bank of the United States? 00:02:01.524 --> 00:02:03.391 Was not vetoing its reauthorization, 00:02:03.391 --> 00:02:05.391 as you did in 1832, 00:02:05.391 --> 00:02:08.282 an act of irresponsible populace pandering 00:02:08.282 --> 00:02:10.333 that made no economic sense?" 00:02:10.333 --> 00:02:12.480 "Your Honor, the gentleman has quite the imagination. 00:02:12.480 --> 00:02:14.497 That bank was just a way for rich Yanks 00:02:14.497 --> 00:02:15.742 to get richer. 00:02:15.742 --> 00:02:17.573 And all that money panic was caused 00:02:17.573 --> 00:02:19.458 when British banks raised interest rates 00:02:19.458 --> 00:02:20.835 and cut lending. 00:02:20.835 --> 00:02:23.829 To blame it on the President is preposterous, I say." 00:02:23.829 --> 00:02:26.307 "But if Mr. Jackson had not destroyed the National Bank, 00:02:26.307 --> 00:02:28.678 it would have been able to lend to farmers 00:02:28.678 --> 00:02:31.145 and businesses when other credit dried up, 00:02:31.145 --> 00:02:32.569 would it not?" 00:02:32.569 --> 00:02:34.473 "Hm, this is all highly speculative. 00:02:34.473 --> 00:02:35.648 Can we move on?" 00:02:35.648 --> 00:02:36.791 "Certainly, Your Honor. 00:02:36.791 --> 00:02:38.159 We now come to Mr. Jackson's 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:39.098 most terrible offense: 00:02:39.098 --> 00:02:41.724 forcing entire tribes out of their native lands 00:02:41.724 --> 00:02:44.312 via the Indian Removal Act." 00:02:44.312 --> 00:02:46.064 "I resent that accusation, sir. 00:02:46.064 --> 00:02:47.913 The U.S. of A. bought that land from the Indians 00:02:47.913 --> 00:02:49.592 fair and square." 00:02:49.592 --> 00:02:51.450 "Do you call coercion and threats 00:02:51.450 --> 00:02:53.898 by a nation with a far more powerful army 00:02:53.898 --> 00:02:55.505 fair and square? 00:02:55.505 --> 00:02:58.144 Or signing a treaty for removing the Cherokee 00:02:58.144 --> 00:02:59.918 with a small group that didn't include 00:02:59.918 --> 00:03:01.294 their actual leaders? 00:03:01.294 --> 00:03:02.588 They didn't have time to properly 00:03:02.588 --> 00:03:05.422 supply themselves before the army came 00:03:05.422 --> 00:03:07.759 and forced them to march the Trail of Tears." 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:08.802 "Now, hold on a minute. 00:03:08.802 --> 00:03:10.406 This was all Van Buren's doing 00:03:10.406 --> 00:03:12.875 after President Jackson left office." 00:03:12.875 --> 00:03:14.859 "But Mr. Jackson laid the groundwork 00:03:14.859 --> 00:03:17.045 and made sure the treaty was ratified. 00:03:17.045 --> 00:03:19.063 All President Van Buren had to do afterwards 00:03:19.063 --> 00:03:20.720 was enforce it." 00:03:20.720 --> 00:03:22.366 "Look here, Your Honor. 00:03:22.366 --> 00:03:24.061 Our government's been purchasing 00:03:24.061 --> 00:03:25.644 Indian land since the beginning, 00:03:25.644 --> 00:03:27.444 and my client was negotiating these deals 00:03:27.444 --> 00:03:28.744 even before he was President. 00:03:28.744 --> 00:03:30.640 President Jackson truly believed 00:03:30.640 --> 00:03:32.033 it was best for the Indians 00:03:32.033 --> 00:03:33.796 to get compensated for their land 00:03:33.796 --> 00:03:35.151 and move out West, 00:03:35.151 --> 00:03:36.373 where there was plenty of space 00:03:36.373 --> 00:03:37.313 for them to keep living 00:03:37.313 --> 00:03:38.366 the way they were accustomed, 00:03:38.366 --> 00:03:39.724 rather than stick around 00:03:39.724 --> 00:03:41.585 and keep butting heads with the white settlers. 00:03:41.585 --> 00:03:43.380 Some of whom, I remind our court, 00:03:43.380 --> 00:03:45.338 wanted to exterminate them outright. 00:03:45.338 --> 00:03:46.975 It was a different time." 00:03:46.975 --> 00:03:48.926 "And yet, even in this different time, 00:03:48.926 --> 00:03:50.557 there were many in Congress 00:03:50.557 --> 00:03:51.482 and even the Supreme Court 00:03:51.482 --> 00:03:53.035 who saw how wrong the Removal Act was 00:03:53.035 --> 00:03:54.478 and loudly opposed it, 00:03:54.478 --> 00:03:56.140 were there not?" 00:03:56.140 --> 00:03:58.474 "My client was under a great deal of pressure. 00:03:58.474 --> 00:04:00.558 I say, do you think it's easy 00:04:00.558 --> 00:04:02.440 governing such a huge country 00:04:02.440 --> 00:04:03.766 and keeping the Union together, 00:04:03.766 --> 00:04:05.443 when states are fixing to nullify 00:04:05.443 --> 00:04:06.902 federal laws? 00:04:06.902 --> 00:04:08.783 President Jackson barely got South Carolina 00:04:08.783 --> 00:04:10.724 to back down over those import tariffs, 00:04:10.724 --> 00:04:12.808 and then Georgia had to go discover gold 00:04:12.808 --> 00:04:14.701 and start grabbing up Cherokee land. 00:04:14.701 --> 00:04:16.703 It was either get the Indians to move 00:04:16.703 --> 00:04:19.080 or get in another fight with a state government." 00:04:19.080 --> 00:04:20.994 "So, you admit that Mr. Jackson 00:04:20.994 --> 00:04:22.626 sacrified moral principles to achieve 00:04:22.626 --> 00:04:24.141 some political goals?" 00:04:24.141 --> 00:04:27.058 "I do declare, show me one leader who hasn't." 00:04:27.058 --> 00:04:29.308 As societies change and morals evolve, 00:04:29.308 --> 00:04:30.819 yesterday's hero may become 00:04:30.819 --> 00:04:33.470 tomorrow's villain, or vice versa. 00:04:33.470 --> 00:04:35.397 History may be past, 00:04:35.397 --> 00:04:39.397 but our understanding of it is always on trial.