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(Bell)

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(French) What is it like
on the other shore?

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Do you still think?

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Do you still have suffering?

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(Translator) Dear Thây,
when you have arrived on the other shore,

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do you still think?
Do you still suffer?

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Yes!

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Even when you arrive at the other shore,
you continue to suffer,

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but you suffer differently.

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There is a way to suffer
that can help you grow,

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that can help you heal,
that can help you help other people.

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(Vietnamese)

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(Translator) Can we have
a translator for our friend?

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You might think that
the Buddha Shakyamuni, our teacher,

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is a person who is only happy,
that he does not suffer.

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But that is not true.

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How can you do that
when so many people around you suffer?

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When you are aware of
the suffering going on in the world,

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you want to do something
in order for them to suffer less.

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You are in good communication
with other living beings

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and that is why you co-suffer with them.

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You feel the suffering in them and in you.

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But because you have transformed,
you have a lot of compassion and wisdom.

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that is why you are not
a victim of that suffering.

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You know how to
make good use of the suffering

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in order to create
healing and transformation.

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There are those of us who know
how not to be victim of suffering,

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but who know how to make
good use of the suffering

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in order to heal,

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to make joy and happiness.

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It is like you are a gardener.

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The garden produces
many beautiful flowers and vegetables.

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But as a garden it also
produces other things,

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that are not like flowers and vegetables.

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It produces both flowers and garbage.

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But as an organic gardener,
you do not throw away the garbage.

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You keep it and make good use of it
in order to nourish the flowers.

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So if you want to grow a lotus flower,
you need the mud.

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The mud is necessary to make a lotus.

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The same thing is true
with suffering and happiness.

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You need some suffering
in order to make happiness.

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If you are a good gardener
you are not a victim of the garbage.

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You are the boss.

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You know how to make good use
of the garbage to make compost.

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So the Buddha is someone like that.

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He is a gardener.

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He knows how to
make good use of the garbage,

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of suffering, anger, fear, despair,

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in order to transform them
into something else.

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It is like the right and the left.

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The left has to lean on the right
in order to manifest.

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So suffering and happiness
are two aspects of reality.

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If suffering does not exist,
happiness does not exist either.

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On the other shore there is suffering,
but you are not a victim of it.

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You know how to make good use of it.

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My idea of the Kingdom of God is the same.

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The Kingdom of God is not a place
where there is no suffering.

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It is a place where people know
how to make good use of suffering

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in order to create
understanding and compassion.

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Because without suffering

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you cannot bring about
understanding and compassion,

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which are the ground of happiness.

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It is very clear.
That is the view of interbeing.

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Right View.

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Our idea that the Kingdom of God
is a place where there is no suffering,

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there is only happiness,

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according to the insight of interbeing
is a wrong view.

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Therefore,

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if our sangha knows
how to make good use of suffering

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and transform it into happiness

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we are in the Kingdom of God right here.

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And we have the power to build
the Kingdom of God by our practice.

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To me, the Kingdom is now or never.

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