1 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:11,280 Olafur Eliasson: The objects are not necessarily the  most interesting part about art. 2 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,640 It is what the object does to me when I look at  it, or engage in it, that is actually interesting. 3 00:01:28,140 --> 00:01:33,000 You are somehow provoked  into a more negotiating role, 4 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,100 because you go like, "What am I looking at?" 5 00:01:37,860 --> 00:01:43,200 Then you are more likely to also inquire,  "Well what does looking actually mean, 6 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,440 and why am I seeing things the way I'm seeing it?" 7 00:01:49,380 --> 00:01:54,900 Instead of questioning the object,  you are in fact questioning yourself. 8 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,140 That I think is one of the  great things art can do. 9 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,380 Art can somehow offer an opportunity,  to sort of, do some self-evaluation. 10 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,160 When I came to Berlin in the early 90's, the  art scene, it was still relatively small. 11 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,120 It was cheap, easy to get a  studio, easy to meet friends. 12 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,220 That created a lot of artistic activity. 13 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,100 I was so impressed with the artists, 14 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:38,580 but I also realized I had to be as honest  they were to themself, I had to be to myself. 15 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,100 That's why I said I'll just deal with  the tools that I have, and what I know. 16 00:02:46,860 --> 00:02:50,940 I grew up in Denmark, and I spent a lot of  time in Iceland, where my parents are from. 17 00:02:52,682 --> 00:02:55,200 I would typically spend more  time in the countryside. 18 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,723 I would just climb, and make small  dams in the rivers and so on ... 19 00:03:00,660 --> 00:03:03,660 It's not about me growing  up in a certain situation. 20 00:03:03,660 --> 00:03:06,360 It's really about you and what you can make of it. 21 00:03:10,540 --> 00:03:12,940 That's why I brought in working with ephemera, 22 00:03:13,063 --> 00:03:15,343 working with water, working  with temperature, and so on. 23 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,300 It was not really about  romanticizing nature versus culture. 24 00:03:27,817 --> 00:03:30,000 It was just that these were the things I knew. 25 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:43,380 I thought that a waterfall would offer a  dimensional quality to these enormous spaces, 26 00:03:43,380 --> 00:03:48,180 which would allow us to physically  relate to the city on a more human scale. 27 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,800 It was about creating this sense of presence, 28 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,000 in which you are welcome, 29 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,150 and you could share it looking with  somebody else, and you know ... 30 00:03:57,150 --> 00:04:00,120 Creating that moment in it's own surreal way. 31 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,320 Nature presented a great toolbox, 32 00:04:04,837 --> 00:04:09,960 which would offer a lot of spatial experiments  through which we could investigate each other. 33 00:04:21,572 --> 00:04:26,931 A lot of people still think that artists work in this kind of solitary position. 34 00:04:27,777 --> 00:04:29,460 And I actually don’t think that’s the case. 35 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:35,547 Artists are incredibly interconnected in different networks. 36 00:04:38,340 --> 00:04:41,940 When I started my studio in Berlin,  for many years I did everything myself. 37 00:04:42,397 --> 00:04:47,037 I was lucky to realize that other  people are probably better at it. 38 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,580 Caroline Eggel: When I started  in 2000, we were 3 people. 39 00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:54,300 Two years later, we were twenty, 40 00:04:54,900 --> 00:04:58,040 then continuously more people arrived. 41 00:04:59,123 --> 00:05:03,540 Eliasson: I really didn't want to get  specialized in a form, but more in content. 42 00:05:05,136 --> 00:05:09,120 The ambition was to prevent  us only working in one thing. 43 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,460 For some 5, 6, 7, 8 years now,  we've been around ninety people. 44 00:05:16,140 --> 00:05:20,340 Broadly speaking, there's 3 teams  in the studio, one is craftsman, 45 00:05:20,340 --> 00:05:23,820 one is a research team, and  one is a team of architects. 46 00:05:26,100 --> 00:05:30,540 The fact that they would feel that it's worth  being a part of the team is incredibly inspiring. 47 00:06:02,285 --> 00:06:05,940 Eggel: It's always a collaborative  moment. No one here does anything alone. 48 00:06:07,140 --> 00:06:12,720 When starting a project together, we  think about what does he want to say, 49 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,020 or what is important to say in  these days, or at this moment? 50 00:06:23,603 --> 00:06:28,620 Eliasson: I've always been interested in, how  does one know that one is in a public space? 51 00:06:30,388 --> 00:06:32,400 Like the “Weather Project” ... I wanted to see, 52 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,160 can I create a work of art  both inside and the outside? 53 00:06:37,380 --> 00:06:41,880 We play around a lot, and we do a lot  of things that are non-quantifiable. 54 00:06:42,495 --> 00:06:46,080 We experiment with artworks that  eventually does not turn into an artwork, 55 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,380 because it turns out to be a lot less  interesting than I thought it would be. 56 00:06:49,380 --> 00:06:50,880 Sadly, it happens a lot. 57 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,460 One of the important things, is that everybody  seems to have some kind of feeling of, 58 00:06:56,460 --> 00:06:57,720 why are we doing what we're doing. 59 00:07:01,500 --> 00:07:05,220 Anna Engberg-Pedersen: So ten years  ago, he'd be very focused in thinking 60 00:07:05,220 --> 00:07:08,280 about what artworks do in museums, 61 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:10,320 and what museums do to artworks. 62 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,860 He wanted to test art in public space. 63 00:07:18,180 --> 00:07:22,920 What does art do when you encounter  it in an un-prescribed way? 64 00:07:25,185 --> 00:07:28,320 Sebastian Behmann: My entering  into the studio offered Olafur 65 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:34,080 the possibility to actually work in  public space, in a more significant way. 66 00:07:36,251 --> 00:07:41,160 The boring thing to me about art is if it's  only made for people who look at art anyway. 67 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,640 He has strong opinions, but he's also very  open about how his thoughts get expressed. 68 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:23,880 Not necessarily about that he likes this or that,  but it's about the potential of the material. 69 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,920 It's the potential of a shape or space. 70 00:08:43,285 --> 00:08:46,980 We consider the bridge more as an  artwork than an architectural work. 71 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,300 The idea behind the bridge is that  you actually generate a space, 72 00:08:51,300 --> 00:08:54,540 rather than only the connection between two sides. 73 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:59,160 We want to have a design  which is a lot more playful. 74 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:05,580 The idea of crossing from one side to the  other, kind of jumping over little islands. 75 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,420 Engberg-Pedersen: Most anyone among us, has experienced the power 76 00:09:30,420 --> 00:09:34,020 that an artwork has to create  some type of interior change. 77 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:40,380 Something that motivates us ... makes us  go, "Wow, this made me think differently." 78 00:09:45,180 --> 00:09:46,740 Take “Ice Watch” for instance. 79 00:09:46,740 --> 00:09:52,646 We brought these twelve blocks of  Greenlandic ice to Copenhagen in 2014, 80 00:09:52,646 --> 00:09:56,246 to coincide with the publication  of the fifth climate report. 81 00:09:56,501 --> 00:09:58,885 Then again in 2015 in Paris. 82 00:10:05,458 --> 00:10:08,717 We wanted to  talk about climate change, and we thought, 83 00:10:08,717 --> 00:10:13,080 well what art does is that it affords  an immediate experience of something. 84 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,660 What we lack today is an immediate  experience of what climate change means. 85 00:10:22,689 --> 00:10:26,760 Eliasson: I was finding a lot of satisfaction  in doing the “Ice Watch” project. 86 00:10:27,986 --> 00:10:33,900 This gave me confidence to start to operate more  on behalf of the cultural center in advocacy. 87 00:10:37,260 --> 00:10:42,300 Once I met with an engineer,  who's sort of a solar nerd. 88 00:10:44,478 --> 00:10:50,706 I, as an artist, I was interested in, how does  it feel to be able to harvest your own energy? 89 00:10:52,247 --> 00:10:55,860 You know, clearly his skills and  my skills must be usable together, 90 00:10:55,860 --> 00:10:58,140 and this is how we came up  with the “Little Sun” project. 91 00:11:00,257 --> 00:11:03,840 Felix Hallwachs: The idea that we were looking  at with “Little Sun,” is could we make something, 92 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,920 which for us is a work of art  but, for someone here in Berlin, 93 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,260 could be an advocacy tool for renewable energy, 94 00:11:11,100 --> 00:11:14,160 and for a child in Ethiopia, it could  maybe really be a life-changing thing. 95 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,180 I don't think it's so much  a shift in Olafur's work, 96 00:11:18,180 --> 00:11:20,940 as it is an evolution, an expanding of the tools. 97 00:11:29,803 --> 00:11:35,460 Eliasson: I often thought about the studio not being a  place you step into to get away from the world, 98 00:11:36,075 --> 00:11:40,200 but a place through which you can have  a microscopic look at the world outside. 99 00:11:41,460 --> 00:11:45,660 On a good day, the studio is  almost like an amplifier of, 100 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:49,465 this sort of, frequencies on  which the world is moving. 101 00:11:50,696 --> 00:11:54,120 Eggel: The goal was to do  something meaningful with art. 102 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,500 To also go beyond art. 103 00:11:59,580 --> 00:12:01,920 Eliasson: What we are  interested in when making art, 104 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,520 is to examine the organization of the world. 105 00:12:06,037 --> 00:12:09,240 Art doesn't stop where the real world starts. 106 00:12:11,580 --> 00:12:15,323 I really think we need to find  a way to create solutions, 107 00:12:15,323 --> 00:12:18,503 just like science has presented solutions to us. 108 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,460 Art, as a civic muscle,  actually has something to offer.