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Dialogue: 0,0:00:14.01,0:00:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katharina Grosse: It’s very fascinating for me
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.64,0:00:18.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to reset the idea what a painting can be.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.78,0:00:23.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s not like a formal issue only about\Nvolume and color,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.25,0:00:27.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it’s also how could painting appear\Nin this public space?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:28.18,0:00:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The surface is very rough and clunky,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.94,0:00:31.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I do something like a watercolor on top,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.67,0:00:32.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is quite bizarre.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:33.49,0:00:37.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it’s actually a very intimate kind of painting,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.37,0:00:38.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but just on a very large scale.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.98,0:00:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it’s as if you’re thinking out loud,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.22,0:00:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that’s a little bit how I work.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.95,0:00:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what comes up in the end is a volume floating\Nthrough this forest.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.27,0:00:55.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I saw the space and had immediately the feeling\Nit could be very, very interesting to work
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.47,0:00:56.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the trees--
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.87,0:01:01.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make the trees a very and significant part\Nof the overall image that would come about.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:01.75,0:01:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m very fascinated by the power of these\Niconic images like the tree, the soil,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.72,0:01:10.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the landscape.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.96,0:01:16.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The trees are so strict,\Nlike little soldiers in that park.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.45,0:01:23.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought, if I could place something in between\Nthe trees that looks like gigantic driftwood,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.27,0:01:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has come and swept in with some sort of power
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.36,0:01:28.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can’t explain, but now it’s there.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.92,0:01:39.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The sheer presence of these things of different size
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.89,0:01:42.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,makes us think of something that must have happened,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.74,0:01:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we can’t quite say what it is.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.19,0:01:52.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The trees are very fragile and small,\Nbut yet they are taller than the work.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.78,0:01:56.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The trees also give a certain scale to my work.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.73,0:02:02.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The buildings around them are quite big\Nand that’s a big challenge for an outdoor work.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.37,0:02:18.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There’s a big team effort needed to do these\Nlarge sculptural works, especially for MetroTech.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:19.97,0:02:22.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was the biggest piece I’ve done ever.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:22.61,0:02:26.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Eighteen pieces we needed to produce in a\Nrelatively short amount of time.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.93,0:02:32.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I made models and then we discussed it via Skype.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.55,0:02:34.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amaral had to make these works,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.45,0:02:35.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,laminate them,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.24,0:02:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make them durable and hard\Nwith fiberglass and resin.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.66,0:02:41.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We needed people to handle it, to prime it,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.85,0:02:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get it into place to understand\Nhow the pieces would work together.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.56,0:04:06.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started to work with my brother three years ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.98,0:04:09.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He is an engineer.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.57,0:04:14.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s the first time I have somebody in my\Nteam who is not coming from an art context.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.16,0:04:20.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He joined us when I was doing a huge project\Nfor the Temporäre Kunsthalle in Berlin
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.35,0:04:23.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we constructed ellipses that were leaning\Nagainst walls.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.98,0:04:26.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the ellipses were about 30 feet high.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.65,0:04:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had to work with a boat builder and a structural engineer,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.48,0:04:33.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,putting them together and hoisting them into place.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.13,0:04:36.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was a great moment.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.33,0:04:41.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He has a really great way to connect the theoretical\Nthinking that’s needed
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.19,0:04:43.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to understand the engineering process,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.29,0:04:45.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he knows the language and all the words.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.72,0:04:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then he can still come back to me at the\Nend of the day and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.48,0:04:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,look we need that kind of bolt here.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:55.30,0:04:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were very, very close when we were kids.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.88,0:05:02.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He grew into an indispensable member of my team.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.02,0:05:25.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My parents took us to a lot of things when\Nwe were small.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.13,0:05:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was seeing paintings, drawings.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.16,0:05:30.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We would also go to the theatre lots.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.31,0:05:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And both my parents are very influential in\Nthat respect.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.26,0:05:36.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My mother would draw and paint,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.32,0:05:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also then cook and bring us to music lessons.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.58,0:05:41.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she didn’t label herself artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.97,0:05:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started to tell myself that I actually had\Na mother who was an artist.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.20,0:05:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She was the one to find out that\NI maybe had visual talent.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.52,0:05:53.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One morning I had done a little watercolor.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.39,0:05:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had copied a black and white photograph\Nfrom a newspaper.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:56.44,0:05:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She thought it was amazing.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.15,0:06:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She urged me to go on.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.21,0:06:05.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My mom would also make us paint the garage walls.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.37,0:06:09.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She would gather all the kids and say,\Nlet’s make little drawings and
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.09,0:06:11.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see what the big picture could be like.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.05,0:06:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was a natural thing to paint things.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.72,0:06:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My work is not idea based,\Nit’s really thought based.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.10,0:06:51.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The thought is a more fluid feel that gets feedback
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.19,0:06:53.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and is being changed while I do what I \Ndo.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.66,0:06:59.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is an overall agreement that\NI have with myself as I start something.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.64,0:07:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That agreement is based on a judgment.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.33,0:07:09.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, I want to have two elements coincide\Nthat exclude one another.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.25,0:07:14.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How could that work in that painting or\Nin that situation that I have in a gallery
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.84,0:07:17.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a certain architectural setup?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.79,0:07:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I work, as I use my painting tools and colors,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:22.92,0:07:29.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I am getting an instantaneous feedback\Nby the materialization of that first agreement
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.12,0:07:33.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that might then change the relationship\NI have with the agreement.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.41,0:07:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All these notions,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.48,0:07:39.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the further steps that are changing again and again,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.54,0:07:43.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is that thought process that I find infinitely interesting,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.29,0:07:47.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can’t be fixed and written down as I start.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.81,0:07:56.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to do something for the Nasher that\Nwas not a sculpture
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.82,0:08:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that was not really using the space as\Na display space.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.54,0:08:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are two very large glass panels
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.54,0:08:08.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the rest is just walls.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.04,0:08:09.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you could move through this.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.47,0:08:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you, you had the vista through the building,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.32,0:08:16.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the garden and in the garden were plants\Nand sculptures that looked a little bit alike.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.78,0:08:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How do you actually make yourself visible\Nin that situation?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:25.52,0:08:31.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Something like negative space coinciding\Nwith super large paint movements.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.33,0:08:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Quite amazing that my invitation to a sculpture\Nmuseum coincides with
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.50,0:08:40.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a moment where I wanted to do a negative space of volume
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.73,0:08:43.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a painting sitting on top of that negative space.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.47,0:08:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is a fantastic confrontation of these\Ntwo thoughts.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.22,0:09:05.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I started to see that experiment as something\Nthat would just sit in the space
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.29,0:09:08.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as if it was taken out of the box and discarded.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:08.35,0:09:11.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I did not want the piece in relationship\Nto other things,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.77,0:09:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just wanted to have it leaning against a wall
Dialogue: 0,0:09:14.02,0:09:19.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that it would sit exactly where the wall\Nand the floor meet
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.31,0:09:23.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that kind of joint would be then\Ncovered by the thing that I do.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:23.85,0:09:27.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can’t really tell the floor\Nand the wall apart anymore
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.84,0:09:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they are in terms of color very close\Nin the Nasher with the limestone and the floor.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.73,0:09:39.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I did something for them that\Nwould move out of the space as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.23,0:09:43.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I wanted something that was inside\Nand was going outside behind the glass panel.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.19,0:10:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is the Kunsthaus in Graz in Austria and\Nit’s an amazing building.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.69,0:10:24.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s a bubble.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.31,0:10:25.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s a very organic shape.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:26.48,0:10:30.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I’m going to do a show there which has\Nto do with
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.33,0:10:31.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of my core questions,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:31.90,0:10:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can painting appear in space and\Nwhat do I need to show the painting?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.81,0:10:39.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t want to put walls in the space that then
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.27,0:10:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,enable me to show canvases.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.69,0:10:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The metal cage is the roof.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.60,0:10:51.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We made it this way so that I can work in\Nthe space from above.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.93,0:10:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These Styrofoam blocks are solid walls\Nthat I could also possibly paint on.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.09,0:11:02.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Other than the Styrofoam blocks I have\Nno walls that define the space.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.70,0:11:08.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are no windows except these openings\Nin the ceiling where I have lights.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.22,0:11:15.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m using canvas or some very thick cloth,\Nmaybe some sort of sailcloth.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.39,0:11:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want to crumple it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:16.83,0:11:19.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And at times I want to make a painting on\Nthat surface
Dialogue: 0,0:11:19.54,0:11:20.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at other times,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.59,0:11:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can just walk on the canvas or can walk\Nthrough the exhibition.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.67,0:11:31.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The painting process is all going to be done\Non site.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.54,0:11:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are trying to find out,\Nhow can I build these creases and these folds
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.76,0:11:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to scale?
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.95,0:11:42.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because I find the space that is coming about\Nby folding things quite interesting.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:44.11,0:11:51.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like that you are walking in a structure\Nthat is difficult to see as a whole.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.27,0:11:58.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m really fascinated by that condition\Nof us being
Dialogue: 0,0:11:58.73,0:12:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in something and at the same time looking at it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.12,0:12:04.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that’s the condition we have all the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.87,0:12:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That has a lot to do with scale.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.31,0:12:10.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that we are able to think so big and\Nat the same time
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.29,0:12:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we’re actually quite small in relationship\Nto what is around us.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.02,0:12:17.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you’re constantly changing in size as\Nyou walk through.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.00,0:12:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The scale shift in this exhibition is really\Nsomething that I’m very interested in.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.56,0:12:25.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That, that is also what I thought was in Nasher\Nso fascinating.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.89,0:12:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The dirt room downstairs was the only space
Dialogue: 0,0:12:31.10,0:12:34.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that didn’t have any relationship to the\Noutside garden.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.65,0:12:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And upstairs I had the more analytical piece\Nthat was actually confronted with,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:39.44,0:12:41.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the garden and the plants and so on.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.62,0:12:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m very adventuresome.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.66,0:12:49.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I grew up hiking and climbing in the mountains.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.46,0:12:55.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Later on I started to be very fascinated\Nwith the space that you encounter
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.94,0:12:58.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in landscape and in painting a landscape,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.79,0:13:04.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you’re sitting somewhere vast\Nand you have this 360 degree angle around you.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.71,0:13:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you start to think is there an order?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.28,0:13:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What do I perceive?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.25,0:13:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And how do I actually design an order\Nfor what I’m surrounded by?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.63,0:13:18.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Landscape is an un-bureaucratic space.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.10,0:13:22.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The hierarchic shift is so fast in landscape.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.48,0:13:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Something that was useful a minute ago turns out to be
Dialogue: 0,0:13:25.34,0:13:29.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not so interesting two steps further\Nto the right, for example.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.08,0:13:35.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there is a very unstable,\Nvery fluid sense for hierarchy in landscape.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.06,0:13:42.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WOMAN #1:\NI’m really curious to know how the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.42,0:13:43.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the piece came up
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.71,0:13:46.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and where you got your inspiration from.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.05,0:13:49.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katharina Grosse:\NEverybody knows a tree, one way or another.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.25,0:13:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You go into the park or into the woods.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.47,0:13:53.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But something has happened to the trees,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.76,0:13:54.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don’t know what it is,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.85,0:13:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they are not where they normally are.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.69,0:14:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I love what happens to this material\Nand to this image when it’s painted.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.68,0:14:05.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That turns it to something else.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:06.68,0:14:10.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Something that’s not the tree\Nand at the same time it’s a tree.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.01,0:14:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I love this paradox.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.52,0:14:13.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WOMAN #1:\NSo that’s where the title originates also?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:13.93,0:14:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katharina Grosse:\NYeah, you don’t really know.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.82,0:14:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You see something far away and then you think,\Noh that’s, that looks like a bird.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.30,0:14:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then you come close and it’s a plastic bag.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.40,0:14:27.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think this kind of ambiguity is there\Nall the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.05,0:14:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WOMAN #1:\NWas it the first time that you have been
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.50,0:14:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working with this kind of material?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.52,0:14:35.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katharina Grosse:\NWith a tree?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.09,0:14:35.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.59,0:14:36.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WOMAN #1:\NWith the tree?
Dialogue: 0,0:14:36.09,0:14:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katharina Grosse:\NI was starting to be interested in this whole
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.66,0:14:42.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tradition of the painted sculpture,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.06,0:14:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the painted 3-D thing you know.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.60,0:14:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I’ve used a couple of these things that\Nare so strong,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:49.57,0:14:51.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the dirt or the soil,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.37,0:14:53.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is so important to our life.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:57.67,0:15:03.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The woods are really amazing as a structure\Nas all of a sudden this linear thing splits.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.22,0:15:13.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WOMAN #2: So you had a few pieces,\Nhow did you put them together?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.07,0:15:15.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katharina Grosse:\NYou can see, here is a cut.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.68,0:15:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That’s the tree.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.68,0:15:17.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This one was put together.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:17.68,0:15:18.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it’s all fiction.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:19.45,0:15:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Once you are starting to feel, ah, that’s\Na real tree,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.75,0:15:22.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you see the cut.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.46,0:15:26.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s more like an edited tree.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.78,0:15:27.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WOMAN #2:\NRight.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:27.78,0:15:28.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katharina Grosse:\NYeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.37,0:15:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WOMAN #2:\NAnd how did you choose the colors?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.50,0:15:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katharina Grosse:\NIt has to do with the light that you have
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.59,0:15:35.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the space.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:35.59,0:15:36.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The space is quite dark.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.64,0:15:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I wanted to have something that reflects\Nas well,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:40.33,0:15:42.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the yellow was important for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.57,0:15:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The yellow in front of here does something\Ntotally different
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.65,0:15:47.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the yellow behind the roots.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.12,0:15:48.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.12,0:15:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it kind of glows.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.84,0:15:50.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WOMAN #2:\NYeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.00,0:15:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katharina Grosse:\NThe colors I use are so raw, they are not mixed.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.13,0:16:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I like this raw, direct thing that they have\Nwith your body.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.98,0:16:06.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s like voice, like the voice of a singer I think,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.29,0:16:08.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that’s what color very much has.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.04,0:16:10.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,WOMAN #1:\NYeah, you had a lot to say.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.61,0:16:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katharina Grosse:\NYeah, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.00,0:16:13.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I had a lot to say, yeah, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.58,0:16:38.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MAN #1:\NAll the blocks form one large canvas.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.46,0:16:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now that Katharina has painted,\Nwe need to put that canvas back together.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.98,0:16:49.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that’s why lining up the marks of her\Nbrushstrokes,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.38,0:16:50.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you will,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.38,0:16:54.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is very important and actually\Nvital to the sculpture itself.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.33,0:17:04.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Katharina Grosse:\NAm I a painter?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.46,0:17:05.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am I a sculptor?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.46,0:17:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don’t know.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.17,0:17:09.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I’m talking to the world while painting on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.92,0:17:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.17,0:17:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Or in it.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.42,0:17:17.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore there is a collision of things with\Nthe painted image.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.32,0:17:21.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Something comes about by this collision\Nthat can’t be taken apart anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.29,0:17:33.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is the plastic or sculptural thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.33,0:17:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If I take it away, the painting isn’t there anymore
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.83,0:17:37.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if I take my painting away,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.29,0:17:40.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then this metamorphosis isn’t there anymore.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.27,0:17:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these things kind of stick together,\Neven though they are coming from two very
Dialogue: 0,0:17:44.68,0:17:46.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distinctive worlds.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.77,0:17:53.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It’s not necessary to decide that you are\Na painter or a sculptor.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.00,0:17:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It doesn’t make your work more radical or\Nmore clear.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:16.92,0:18:19.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I totally enjoy to look at things.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:19.52,0:18:21.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want something cool to look at.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.04,0:18:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I make this for myself also a lot.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.96,0:18:31.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I immensely enjoy when doing it what\Ncomes out of it during the making.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:33.14,0:18:36.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I amuse myself, you know, I entertain myself.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:36.20,0:18:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But it has to be complex and fun and ridiculous and tricky.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:41.69,0:18:45.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There, it’s about tricks, that I play to\Nmyself and to others.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:46.54,0:18:49.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am the trickster really, the painting trickster.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:49.07,0:18:52.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Don’t believe me, I guess.