WEBVTT 00:00:11.388 --> 00:00:14.444 So you probably have the sense, as most people do, 00:00:14.468 --> 00:00:18.124 that polarization is getting worse in our country, 00:00:18.148 --> 00:00:21.604 that the divide between the left and the right 00:00:21.628 --> 00:00:25.164 is as bad as it's been in really any of our lifetimes. 00:00:25.188 --> 00:00:30.468 But you might also reasonably wonder if research backs up your intuition. 00:00:31.188 --> 00:00:35.868 And in a nutshell, the answer is sadly yes. 00:00:35.892 --> 00:00:37.455 (Laughter) 00:00:37.778 --> 00:00:39.794 In study after study, we find 00:00:39.818 --> 00:00:43.498 that liberals and conservatives have grown further apart. 00:00:44.298 --> 00:00:49.074 They increasingly wall themselves off in these ideological silos, 00:00:49.098 --> 00:00:53.234 consuming different news, talking only to like-minded others 00:00:53.258 --> 00:00:56.498 and more and more choosing to live in different parts of the country. 00:00:57.578 --> 00:01:00.794 And I think that most alarming of all of it 00:01:00.818 --> 00:01:04.617 is seeing this rising animosity on both sides. 00:01:05.298 --> 00:01:06.954 Liberals and conservatives, 00:01:06.978 --> 00:01:08.874 Democrats and Republicans, 00:01:08.898 --> 00:01:12.018 more and more they just don't like one another. 00:01:13.178 --> 00:01:15.194 You see it in many different ways. 00:01:15.218 --> 00:01:18.874 They don't want to befriend one another. They don't want to date one another. 00:01:18.898 --> 00:01:22.194 If they do, if they find out, they find each other less attractive, 00:01:22.218 --> 00:01:25.314 and they more and more don't want their children to marry someone 00:01:25.338 --> 00:01:27.034 who supports the other party, 00:01:27.058 --> 00:01:28.818 a particularly shocking statistic. 00:01:29.478 --> 00:01:31.913 You know, in my lab, the students that I work with, 00:01:31.937 --> 00:01:33.954 we're talking about some social pattern -- 00:01:33.978 --> 00:01:37.514 I'm a movie buff, and so I'm often like, 00:01:37.538 --> 00:01:40.498 what kind of movie are we in here with this pattern? 00:01:40.648 --> 00:01:43.928 So what kind of movie are we in with political polarization? 00:01:44.648 --> 00:01:47.368 Well, it could be a disaster movie. 00:01:48.448 --> 00:01:50.128 It certainly seems like a disaster. 00:01:50.488 --> 00:01:52.488 Could be a war movie. 00:01:53.144 --> 00:01:54.344 Also fits. 00:01:55.048 --> 00:01:58.864 But what I keep thinking is that we're in a zombie apocalypse movie. 00:01:58.888 --> 00:02:00.344 (Laughter) 00:02:00.368 --> 00:02:02.664 Right? You know the kind. 00:02:02.688 --> 00:02:05.104 There's people wandering around in packs, 00:02:05.128 --> 00:02:06.904 not thinking for themselves, 00:02:06.928 --> 00:02:08.544 seized by this mob mentality, 00:02:08.568 --> 00:02:11.808 trying to spread their disease and destroy society. 00:02:12.965 --> 00:02:16.711 And if you're like me, and you're a college-educated liberal -- 00:02:16.735 --> 00:02:19.933 and statistically, I'm guessing, the majority of you ... 00:02:19.957 --> 00:02:22.900 (Laughter) 00:02:22.924 --> 00:02:24.074 are exactly that. 00:02:24.345 --> 00:02:25.757 (Laughter) 00:02:25.908 --> 00:02:27.644 And you probably think, as I do, 00:02:27.668 --> 00:02:31.124 that you're the good guy in the zombie apocalypse movie, 00:02:31.148 --> 00:02:34.846 and all this hate and polarization, it's being propagated by the other people, 00:02:34.870 --> 00:02:36.070 the conservatives. 00:02:37.668 --> 00:02:39.548 We're Brad Pitt, right? 00:02:40.228 --> 00:02:43.124 Free-thinking, righteous, 00:02:43.148 --> 00:02:45.336 just trying to hold on to what we hold dear, 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:48.943 you know, not foot soldiers in the army of the undead. 00:02:48.967 --> 00:02:50.424 Not that. 00:02:50.448 --> 00:02:51.648 Never that. 00:02:52.448 --> 00:02:53.944 But here's the thing: 00:02:53.968 --> 00:02:56.688 what movie do you suppose they think they're in? 00:02:57.848 --> 00:02:59.064 Right? 00:02:59.088 --> 00:03:01.624 Well, they absolutely think that they're the good guys 00:03:01.648 --> 00:03:03.504 in the zombie apocalypse movie. Right? 00:03:03.528 --> 00:03:06.504 And you'd better believe that they think that they're Brad Pitt 00:03:06.528 --> 00:03:08.648 and that we, we are the zombies. 00:03:11.488 --> 00:03:13.848 And who's to say that they're wrong? 00:03:14.512 --> 00:03:19.369 Look, they click on stupid internet links that say stuff like that ... 00:03:19.393 --> 00:03:22.359 We click on stupid internet links that say stuff like this. 00:03:22.621 --> 00:03:28.247 (Laughter) 00:03:28.430 --> 00:03:31.383 They complain about living near us, 00:03:31.407 --> 00:03:32.589 having to work with us, 00:03:32.613 --> 00:03:34.827 even eating Thanksgiving dinner with us. 00:03:35.851 --> 00:03:37.684 And we do all those same things. 00:03:37.708 --> 00:03:38.858 Right? 00:03:39.510 --> 00:03:40.795 Look, it's true. 00:03:41.018 --> 00:03:42.922 The studies that I see on polarization 00:03:42.946 --> 00:03:45.200 show that conservatives look a little bit worse. 00:03:45.375 --> 00:03:47.105 They look a little bit angrier, 00:03:47.129 --> 00:03:48.827 a little more averse to compromise. 00:03:48.851 --> 00:03:52.160 And we could tell ourselves that means that this is not our problem. 00:03:52.184 --> 00:03:53.605 That it's them doing it. 00:03:54.653 --> 00:03:57.089 But I think that would be taking the easy way out. 00:03:57.113 --> 00:04:00.028 I think that the truth is that we're all a part of this. 00:04:00.708 --> 00:04:03.868 And the good side of that is that we can be a part of the solution. 00:04:04.748 --> 00:04:06.748 So what are we going to do? 00:04:07.788 --> 00:04:12.044 What can we do to chip away at polarization in everyday life? 00:04:12.068 --> 00:04:15.884 What could we do to connect with and communicate with 00:04:15.908 --> 00:04:17.628 our political counterparts? 00:04:18.188 --> 00:04:22.324 Well, these were exactly the questions that I and my colleague Matt Feinberg 00:04:22.348 --> 00:04:24.206 became fascinated with a few years ago, 00:04:24.230 --> 00:04:26.430 and we started doing research on this topic. 00:04:27.388 --> 00:04:30.364 And one of the first things that we discovered 00:04:30.388 --> 00:04:33.844 that I think is really helpful for understanding polarization 00:04:33.868 --> 00:04:35.084 is to understand 00:04:35.108 --> 00:04:39.525 that the political divide in our country is undergirded by a deeper moral divide. 00:04:39.549 --> 00:04:44.324 So one of the most robust findings in the history of political psychology 00:04:44.348 --> 00:04:48.044 is this pattern identified by Jon Haidt and Jesse Graham, 00:04:48.068 --> 00:04:49.284 psychologists, 00:04:49.308 --> 00:04:53.324 that liberals and conservatives tend to endorse different values 00:04:53.348 --> 00:04:54.548 to different degrees. 00:04:55.068 --> 00:05:00.564 So for example, we find that liberals tend to endorse values like equality 00:05:00.588 --> 00:05:04.244 and fairness and care and protection from harm 00:05:04.268 --> 00:05:06.404 more than conservatives do, 00:05:06.428 --> 00:05:11.684 and conservatives tend to endorse values like loyalty, patriotism, 00:05:11.708 --> 00:05:15.164 respect for authority and moral purity 00:05:15.188 --> 00:05:17.268 more than liberals do. 00:05:18.388 --> 00:05:22.444 And Matt and I were thinking that maybe this moral divide 00:05:22.468 --> 00:05:25.564 might be helpful for understanding how it is 00:05:25.588 --> 00:05:28.004 that liberals and conservatives talk to one another 00:05:28.028 --> 00:05:30.444 and why they so often seem to talk past one another 00:05:30.468 --> 00:05:31.684 when they do. 00:05:31.708 --> 00:05:33.684 So we conducted a study 00:05:33.708 --> 00:05:36.804 where we recruited liberals to a study 00:05:36.828 --> 00:05:39.284 where they were supposed to write a persuasive essay 00:05:39.308 --> 00:05:43.748 that would be compelling to a conservative in support of same-sex marriage. 00:05:44.268 --> 00:05:47.524 And what we found was that liberals tended to make arguments 00:05:47.548 --> 00:05:51.724 in terms of the liberal moral values of equality and fairness. 00:05:51.748 --> 00:05:53.484 So they said things like 00:05:53.988 --> 00:05:57.364 "everyone should have the right to love whoever they choose," 00:05:57.388 --> 00:05:59.964 and they -- "they" being gay Americans -- 00:05:59.988 --> 00:06:02.748 "deserve the same equal rights as other Americans." 00:06:03.308 --> 00:06:06.524 Overall, we found that 69 percent of liberals 00:06:06.548 --> 00:06:11.964 invoked one of the more liberal moral values in constructing their essay, 00:06:11.988 --> 00:06:15.684 and only nine percent invoked one of the more conservative moral values, 00:06:15.708 --> 00:06:19.124 even though they were supposed to be trying to persuade conservatives. 00:06:19.148 --> 00:06:23.444 And when we studied conservatives and had them make persuasive arguments 00:06:23.468 --> 00:06:26.364 in support of making English the official language of the US, 00:06:26.388 --> 00:06:28.924 a classically conservative political position, 00:06:28.948 --> 00:06:31.164 we found that they weren't much better at this. 00:06:31.188 --> 00:06:32.804 59 percent of them made arguments 00:06:32.828 --> 00:06:35.524 in terms of one of the more conservative moral values, 00:06:35.548 --> 00:06:38.044 and just eight percent invoked a liberal moral value, 00:06:38.068 --> 00:06:41.428 even though they were supposed to be targeting liberals for persuasion. 00:06:42.428 --> 00:06:46.468 Now, you can see right away why we're in trouble here. Right? 00:06:47.228 --> 00:06:50.724 People's moral values, they're their most deeply held beliefs. 00:06:50.748 --> 00:06:54.148 People are willing to fight and die for their values. 00:06:54.668 --> 00:06:57.364 Why are they going to give that up just to agree with you 00:06:57.388 --> 00:07:00.924 on something that they don't particularly want to agree with you on anyway? 00:07:00.948 --> 00:07:04.204 If that persuasive appeal that you're making to your Republican uncle 00:07:04.228 --> 00:07:06.644 means that he doesn't just have to change his view, 00:07:06.668 --> 00:07:08.804 he's got to change his underlying values too, 00:07:08.828 --> 00:07:10.388 that's not going to go very far. 00:07:11.028 --> 00:07:12.348 So what would work better? 00:07:13.148 --> 00:07:17.444 Well, we believe it's a technique that we call moral reframing, 00:07:17.468 --> 00:07:20.084 and we've studied it in a series of experiments. 00:07:20.108 --> 00:07:21.604 In one of these experiments, 00:07:21.628 --> 00:07:24.764 we recruited liberals and conservatives to a study 00:07:24.788 --> 00:07:27.084 where they read one of three essays 00:07:27.108 --> 00:07:30.148 before having their environmental attitudes surveyed. 00:07:30.588 --> 00:07:32.084 And the first of these essays 00:07:32.108 --> 00:07:35.484 was a relatively conventional proenvironmental essay 00:07:35.508 --> 00:07:39.524 that invoked the liberal values of care and protection from harm. 00:07:39.548 --> 00:07:42.084 It said things like "in many important ways 00:07:42.108 --> 00:07:44.924 we are causing real harm to the places we live in," 00:07:44.948 --> 00:07:47.764 and "it is essential that we take steps now 00:07:47.788 --> 00:07:50.708 to prevent further destruction from being done to our Earth." 00:07:51.668 --> 00:07:53.084 Another group of participants 00:07:53.108 --> 00:07:55.324 were assigned to read a really different essay 00:07:55.348 --> 00:07:59.788 that was designed to tap into the conservative value of moral purity. 00:08:00.028 --> 00:08:01.964 It was a proenvironmental essay as well, 00:08:01.988 --> 00:08:03.484 and it said things like 00:08:03.508 --> 00:08:07.748 "keeping our forests, drinking water, and skies pure is of vital importance." 00:08:08.588 --> 00:08:10.084 "We should regard the pollution 00:08:10.108 --> 00:08:12.148 of the places we live in to be disgusting." 00:08:12.748 --> 00:08:14.844 And "reducing pollution can help us preserve 00:08:14.868 --> 00:08:18.028 what is pure and beautiful about the places we live." 00:08:19.468 --> 00:08:20.884 And then we had a third group 00:08:20.908 --> 00:08:23.404 that were assigned to read just a nonpolitical essay. 00:08:23.428 --> 00:08:26.164 It was just a comparison group so we could get a baseline. 00:08:26.188 --> 00:08:28.141 And what we found when we surveyed people 00:08:28.165 --> 00:08:30.364 about their environmental attitudes afterwards, 00:08:30.388 --> 00:08:33.323 we found that liberals, it didn't matter what essay they read. 00:08:33.347 --> 00:08:36.443 They tended to have highly proenvironmental attitudes regardless. 00:08:36.467 --> 00:08:38.884 Liberals are on board for environmental protection. 00:08:38.908 --> 00:08:40.124 Conservatives, however, 00:08:40.148 --> 00:08:44.564 were significantly more supportive of progressive environmental policies 00:08:44.588 --> 00:08:46.124 and environmental protection 00:08:46.148 --> 00:08:48.204 if they had read the moral purity essay 00:08:48.228 --> 00:08:50.628 than if they read one of the other two essays. 00:08:51.748 --> 00:08:54.844 We even found that conservatives who read the moral purity essay 00:08:54.868 --> 00:08:58.364 were significantly more likely to say that they believed in global warming 00:08:58.388 --> 00:09:00.293 and were concerned about global warming, 00:09:00.317 --> 00:09:03.044 even though this essay didn't even mention global warming. 00:09:03.068 --> 00:09:05.524 That's just a related environmental issue. 00:09:05.548 --> 00:09:08.628 But that's how robust this moral reframing effect was. 00:09:09.548 --> 00:09:13.284 And we've studied this on a whole slew of different political issues. 00:09:13.308 --> 00:09:17.044 So if you want to move conservatives 00:09:17.068 --> 00:09:20.164 on issues like same-sex marriage or national health insurance, 00:09:20.188 --> 00:09:23.644 it helps to tie these liberal political issues to conservative values 00:09:23.668 --> 00:09:25.410 like patriotism and moral purity. 00:09:26.188 --> 00:09:28.284 And we studied it the other way too. 00:09:28.308 --> 00:09:32.124 If you want to move liberals to the right on conservative policy issues 00:09:32.148 --> 00:09:36.474 like military spending and making English the official language of the US, 00:09:36.498 --> 00:09:38.154 you're going to be more persuasive 00:09:38.178 --> 00:09:41.514 if you tie those conservative policy issues to liberal moral values 00:09:41.538 --> 00:09:43.418 like equality and fairness. 00:09:44.708 --> 00:09:47.564 All these studies have the same clear message: 00:09:47.588 --> 00:09:50.524 if you want to persuade someone on some policy, 00:09:50.548 --> 00:09:54.388 it's helpful to connect that policy to their underlying moral values. 00:09:55.527 --> 00:09:59.284 And when you say it like that, it seems really obvious. Right? 00:09:59.308 --> 00:10:01.084 Like, why did we come here tonight? 00:10:01.108 --> 00:10:02.324 Why -- 00:10:02.348 --> 00:10:03.884 (Laughter) 00:10:03.908 --> 00:10:05.948 It's incredibly intuitive. 00:10:07.468 --> 00:10:10.764 And even though it is, it's something we really struggle to do. 00:10:10.788 --> 00:10:14.644 You know, it turns out that when we go to persuade somebody on a political issue, 00:10:14.668 --> 00:10:17.404 we talk like we're speaking into a mirror. 00:10:17.428 --> 00:10:21.804 We don't persuade so much as we rehearse our own reasons 00:10:21.828 --> 00:10:24.708 for why we believe some sort of political position. 00:10:24.987 --> 00:10:26.558 But, speaking as a liberal, 00:10:26.582 --> 00:10:30.114 I believe that we're going to need a whole new set of arguments, 00:10:30.138 --> 00:10:32.373 if we're going to move the next wave of people 00:10:32.397 --> 00:10:36.754 on critical issues like climate change, immigration and inequality. 00:10:37.476 --> 00:10:39.690 And to come up with those arguments, 00:10:39.714 --> 00:10:41.484 we're going to have to take the time 00:10:41.508 --> 00:10:44.405 to really listen to our conservative counterparts, 00:10:44.429 --> 00:10:46.698 to understand what they value, 00:10:47.238 --> 00:10:52.063 and then creatively think about why they should come to agree with us, 00:10:52.714 --> 00:10:55.811 and in a way that doesn't involve them having to sacrifice 00:10:55.835 --> 00:10:57.857 the things that they hold most dear. 00:10:59.268 --> 00:11:03.284 We kept saying, when we were designing these reframed moral arguments, 00:11:03.308 --> 00:11:05.948 "empathy and respect, empathy and respect." 00:11:06.508 --> 00:11:07.964 If you can tap into that, 00:11:07.988 --> 00:11:09.644 you can connect 00:11:09.668 --> 00:11:12.468 and you might be able to persuade somebody in this country. 00:11:13.028 --> 00:11:17.748 So thinking, again, about what movie we're in, 00:11:18.668 --> 00:11:20.244 maybe I got carried away before. 00:11:20.268 --> 00:11:22.228 Maybe it's not a zombie apocalypse movie. 00:11:22.988 --> 00:11:24.908 Maybe instead it's a buddy cop movie. 00:11:25.508 --> 00:11:27.524 (Laughter) 00:11:27.548 --> 00:11:29.564 Just roll with it, just go with it please. 00:11:29.588 --> 00:11:31.028 (Laughter) 00:11:31.948 --> 00:11:34.644 You know the kind: there's a white cop and a black cop, 00:11:34.668 --> 00:11:36.804 or maybe a messy cop and an organized cop. 00:11:36.828 --> 00:11:38.884 Whatever it is, they don't get along 00:11:38.908 --> 00:11:40.194 because of this difference. 00:11:40.988 --> 00:11:44.204 But in the end, when they have to come together and they cooperate, 00:11:44.228 --> 00:11:46.164 the solidarity that they feel, 00:11:46.188 --> 00:11:49.828 it's greater because of that gulf that they had to cross. Right? 00:11:50.748 --> 00:11:52.724 And remember that in these movies, 00:11:52.748 --> 00:11:55.644 it's usually worst in the second act 00:11:55.668 --> 00:11:58.068 when our leads are further apart than ever before. 00:11:58.908 --> 00:12:01.244 And so maybe that's where we are in this country, 00:12:01.268 --> 00:12:03.444 late in the second act of a buddy cop movie -- 00:12:03.468 --> 00:12:05.615 (Laughter) 00:12:06.068 --> 00:12:09.250 torn apart but about to come back together. 00:12:10.868 --> 00:12:12.524 It sounds good, 00:12:12.548 --> 00:12:14.404 but if we want it to happen, 00:12:14.428 --> 00:12:17.148 I think the responsibility is going to start with us. 00:12:17.988 --> 00:12:20.148 So this is my call to you: 00:12:20.948 --> 00:12:22.948 let's put this country back together. 00:12:24.548 --> 00:12:27.604 Let's do it despite the politicians 00:12:27.628 --> 00:12:30.484 and the media and Facebook and Twitter 00:12:30.508 --> 00:12:32.044 and Congressional redistricting 00:12:32.068 --> 00:12:34.788 and all of it, all the things that divide us. 00:12:35.828 --> 00:12:38.068 Let's do it because it's right. 00:12:39.388 --> 00:12:43.804 And let's do it because this hate and contempt 00:12:43.828 --> 00:12:45.988 that flows through all of us every day 00:12:46.868 --> 00:12:50.044 makes us ugly and it corrupts us, 00:12:50.068 --> 00:12:53.388 and it threatens the very fabric of our society. 00:12:55.428 --> 00:12:58.084 We owe it to one another and our country 00:12:58.108 --> 00:13:00.268 to reach out and try to connect. 00:13:01.468 --> 00:13:04.628 We can't afford to hate them any longer, 00:13:05.668 --> 00:13:07.868 and we can't afford to let them hate us either. 00:13:09.348 --> 00:13:10.708 Empathy and respect. 00:13:11.348 --> 00:13:12.588 Empathy and respect. 00:13:13.388 --> 00:13:17.188 If you think about it, it's the very least that we owe our fellow citizens. 00:13:17.868 --> 00:13:19.084 Thank you. 00:13:19.108 --> 00:13:23.070 (Applause)