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Dialogue: 0,0:00:20.61,0:00:26.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Our next speaker Régine Debatty\Nwill help you and explain you the Internet
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.47,0:00:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of rubbish, things and bodies and\Nbasically everything around e-waste. Thank
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.10,0:00:38.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you very much and welcome. {\i1}applause{\i0}\NRégine Debatty: Can I get ... can I get
Dialogue: 0,0:00:38.29,0:00:41.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,less light to my face?\NHerald: Slide in your face?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.97,0:00:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RD: Less light to my face.\NHerald: Slide?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.73,0:00:49.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RD: Light. Can I get less\Nlight in my face?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.59,0:00:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: OK. A little bit less light for\Nthe speaker.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.21,0:00:58.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RD: Yeah. Hello. Good evening, everyone.\NFirst of all, I want to say thank you to
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.48,0:01:03.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nora, to Gregor and to everybody, at the\NChaos Communication Congress for welcoming
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.39,0:01:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,me again this year. So I've been tasked\Nwith the mission, just like in 2018, to
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.59,0:01:15.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,present to you some of the most\Ninteresting and exciting works in art and
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.41,0:01:21.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology of this past year. And just\Nlike last year, I kind of went on my own
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.89,0:01:26.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,way and went on a tangent and started\Nadopting a tunnel vision. And for some
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.93,0:01:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reason I realized I was obsessed with\Ne-waste. So you're going to hear a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.11,0:01:37.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about e-waste and nuclear waste in the\Ncoming hour. But still, I promise it's
Dialogue: 0,0:01:37.97,0:01:44.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still going to be reasonably interesting,\Nhopefully. And most of the projects are
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.05,0:01:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anyway from 2019. So why did I get\Ninterested and why did I think it would be
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.81,0:01:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a good idea to talk to you about e-waste?\NFirst of all, there was the the theme of
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.08,0:01:59.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this year's Congress "Resource\NExhaustion". I just decided to put some
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.56,0:02:04.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more, let's say, ecological twist on it.\NAnd then the second reason why I wanted to
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.94,0:02:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk about e-waste is that a couple of\Nmonths ago, I went to see an exhibition of
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.94,0:02:15.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a Swiss photographer who has spent four\Nyears, something like that, traveling
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.03,0:02:20.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the world and trying to understand\Nwhy transhumanists wanted to change and so
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.50,0:02:26.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called augment and improve their body. And\Nso he documented everything he found and
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.69,0:02:32.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how humans nowadays are changing their\Nbodies, either to go from disable body to
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.89,0:02:39.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,able body or from able body to superable\Nbody. And one way you can augment your
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.27,0:02:48.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,body is, you know, is with RFID chip that\Nyou can implant and that allows you to get
Dialogue: 0,0:02:48.66,0:02:54.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access to offices, open your car door or\Neven pay for public transport. And I've
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.78,0:03:05.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been told recently that RFID chips are the\Nnew tattoo. And then you can also get
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.94,0:03:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,magnets implanted underneath your finger\Nthat allows you to sense electromagnetic
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.98,0:03:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fields. And actually, the first time I\Nheard about this, I was at least 10 years
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.08,0:03:20.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ago, it was one of the first Chaos\NCommunication Congress I attended in good
Dialogue: 0,0:03:20.52,0:03:27.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,old Berlin. And there was this this\Njournalist called Queen Nocturne. And she
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.12,0:03:31.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,came to explain that she had just had a\Nmagnet implanted and explained that the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.24,0:03:36.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,new experience and how she felt magnetic\Nfields. Anyway, I could multiply the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.64,0:03:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example. But of course, the people who are\Nreally at the cutting edge of body
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.46,0:03:50.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,improvement and augmentation are the\NTranshumanists. This is one of them, Igor
Dialogue: 0,0:03:50.03,0:03:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Trapeznikov is part of the Russian\NTranshumanists Community. He had a number
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.58,0:04:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of implants, you know, the usual RFID\Nchips, but also a device that turns its
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.14,0:04:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sights into sound, which is usually useful\Nfor people who have a vision problem or
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.87,0:04:18.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are blind. And then, of course, they\Nare addition to the body or correction of
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.60,0:04:22.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the body that are there for to a\Nparticular reason. That's how some find
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.68,0:04:28.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,themselves with bits of titanium in the\Nknee or in the shoulder. And they use this
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.51,0:04:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of screw. I think that's one of the\Nimages in the series that I found the most
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.41,0:04:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,impressive, the idea that when I get\Nolder, I might get these kind of screws
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.56,0:04:46.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inside my body. Pacemaker, of course. And\Nwhat makes pacemaker interesting is that
Dialogue: 0,0:04:46.18,0:04:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it was one of the first electronic devices\Nthat found its way inside our bodies. So
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.50,0:05:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it became kind of emblematic of the coming\Nmechanization of the human body. And then,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.06,0:05:06.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of course, there are the other devices that\Ncommunicate with electronics that you
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.23,0:05:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,insert in the body and that communicate\Nwith phones and computers. So that's why
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.56,0:05:14.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so much talking about the Internet of\NBodies, you know, after the Internet of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:14.79,0:05:19.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Things, there ist the Internet of Bodies.\NSo this is a bio artificial pancreas for
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.97,0:05:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people who suffer from Diabetes Type 1.\NThere are so many smart devices that can
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.52,0:05:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be added on your body or inside your body.\NI've heard about smart contact lenses and
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.58,0:05:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also smart prosthetics. And after seeing\Nthis exhibition, I started looking at
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.91,0:05:47.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people around me with a different eye. I\Nam wondering who else had bits of metals
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.30,0:05:53.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and electricity and electronics inside\Ntheir body. So that's where my obsession
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.79,0:05:58.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with with e-waste came because my\Nimmediate question after this is what
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.81,0:06:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happens after you died? What happens to\Nthat? I don't know if you're interested,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.08,0:06:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I had to do some research. So if you\Nare buried the traditional way, you buried
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.31,0:06:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with with all your gadgets and gizmos and\Nanything orthopedic. If you're cremated,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.88,0:06:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're not cremated with your pacemaker\Nbecause it contains batteries that could
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.88,0:06:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explode. And then I learn about the new\Nvery interesting service. I mean, to me,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.92,0:06:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it sounded quite interesting. It is that\Nwhen you are cremated, of course, the
Dialogue: 0,0:06:33.40,0:06:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,titanium or any metal, they do not burn.\NThere is this company who retrieves all
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.72,0:06:46.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the metal that is found among the ashes.\NThere's just a couple of companies around
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.79,0:06:54.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the world who do that. They just recover\Nall the metals, they divide them according
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.17,0:07:00.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the types of metal. And then they melt\Nthem down into ingots, which they sell to
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.02,0:07:06.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the medical industry, but also to the Car\NIndustry and the Aeronautical Industry. So
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.50,0:07:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that means that parts of these bodies are\Ngoing to become part of a car or a plane
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.61,0:07:21.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one day. And I also started imagining that\Nprobably in the future, archeologists will
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.51,0:07:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find skeletons with e-waste. We will be\Nburied simply with our e-waste. They will
Dialogue: 0,0:07:27.88,0:07:35.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find bits of metals in the shape of bones\Nand then the rusty electronics. So that's
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.15,0:07:45.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really what set me on the path of starting\Nto see e-waste absolutely everywhere. I
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.37,0:07:51.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,never miss an opportunity to show my dog\Nbecause I realized that he has an RFID
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.41,0:07:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,chip and apparently all pets are buried\Nwith them. Anyway splendid animal. So
Dialogue: 0,0:07:59.15,0:08:04.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since I'm thinking about e-waste it's\Ndifficult not to mention one of the icons
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.55,0:08:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of e-waste. It's Agbogbloshie. I'm sure\Nyou've seen the picture. I'm going to show
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.80,0:08:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,images, but I'm not going to tell you the\Nwhole story because I'm sure you've seen
Dialogue: 0,0:08:16.06,0:08:24.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all these images. It's located in Accra,\Nthe capital of Ghana. And that's where
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.07,0:08:33.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,full containers of electric and electronic\Ntrash end up. And the press really like to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.12,0:08:37.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk about it and say "Oh, this is where\Nyour data and your your devices go to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.68,0:08:43.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,die." It's a huge place. And you've seen\Nthe images of these young people who spend
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.86,0:08:50.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the whole day dissecting your devices and\Ntrying to separate different types of
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.42,0:08:58.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,precious metals such as aluminum, silver,\Ncopper, etc.. Of course, they're working
Dialogue: 0,0:08:58.20,0:09:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terrible condition. It's very toxic to\Nwork there. They all suffer from terrible
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.92,0:09:10.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,headaches, difficulty sleeping problem,\Nrespiratory problem, untreated wounds,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:10.27,0:09:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,etc. But it's really usually the way the\Npress is depicting what's happening and
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.98,0:09:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the press is really not depicting\Nthe full story and that there are bits and
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.96,0:09:27.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pieces missing in the narratives. First of\Nall, I think we are not conscious enough
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.72,0:09:35.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of these people playing a really important\Nrole for us because they retrieve metals
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.88,0:09:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we have the feeling that metals are\Neverywhere. But on the surface and
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.56,0:09:47.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,underneath the earth some of them are\Ngoing to be more and more difficult to
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.28,0:09:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,retrieve. This year, UNESCO's declared the\Nyear of the periodic table. And you can
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.50,0:10:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see on this periodic table that the dot\Nseen in red and orange are the types of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:00.66,0:10:05.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,elements that are going to be more and\Nmore difficult to mine and to retrieve.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.49,0:10:10.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I like to show these graphics a bit.\NIt is all not very precise, but it shows
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.74,0:10:20.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the trend. So if ever you have a child or\Nbrother was born in 2010, by the time your
Dialogue: 0,0:10:20.09,0:10:25.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,child or your brother or your sister is\N20, there will be no antimony, no lead
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.40,0:10:30.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,left to mine. Very little indium, very\Nlittle zinc, very little silver, almost no
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.91,0:10:39.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gold. These elements will still be there,\Nbut it's just going to cost more and more
Dialogue: 0,0:10:39.22,0:10:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energy and more and more money to retrieve\Nthem. So that's why you have this project
Dialogue: 0,0:10:44.68,0:10:51.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of mining very deep into the ocean or even\Nmining asteroids for the same kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:51.25,0:10:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,metals that we need. And I think it was so\Nthat we kind of have a blind spot for
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.06,0:11:03.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,metals. We forget. We take them for\Ngranted. And when we think about the
Dialogue: 0,0:11:03.21,0:11:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,challenges of the environment, we tend to\Nfocus on energy. And energy is important.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.46,0:11:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when you think about renewable energy,\Nwe have the feeling it's zero emission,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.97,0:11:23.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it still has a big impact on the\Nenvironment. And I like to talk about
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.53,0:11:30.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these solar thermal plant. It's a famous\None. It's a very, very big one. It's in in
Dialogue: 0,0:11:30.03,0:11:37.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Southern California. As you can see, it's\Nvast and actually, when it was built
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.52,0:11:43.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conservation biologist were very concerned\Nbecause essentially it was built on a
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.73,0:11:50.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really environmentally intact desert\Nhabitat for a number of animals which were
Dialogue: 0,0:11:50.13,0:11:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in danger, such as tortoise that had to be\Nmoved by hands and put on a truck and
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.24,0:11:59.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,relocated elsewhere. Some of them died out\Nof stress. You might have heard that, too.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.83,0:12:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So birds and bats by the thousands every\Nyear, they did die because of the heat and
Dialogue: 0,0:12:06.88,0:12:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the radiation. And also you see the\Nsurface of the earth that this is
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.53,0:12:15.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,occupying. It's really huge. And they\Nthink it's not a coincidence if the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.94,0:12:25.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opening sequence of the sequel of Blade\NRunner 2049 starts with these seemingly
Dialogue: 0,0:12:25.04,0:12:36.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,endless landscape of solar panels that are\Nnecessary to power modern life. As I said,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.55,0:12:42.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we we don't perceive the\Nimportance of materials and how many
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.47,0:12:48.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,components extracted from the earth are\Ninside any object that surround us. So I'm
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.39,0:12:53.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to show a couple of example of of\Ndesign work and artworks that try to make
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.69,0:13:02.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it visible, the elements that are inside\Nour electronics or electric objects. So
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.04,0:13:08.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the first one is by these designers Studio\NDrift. They have a series where they
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.41,0:13:15.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,decompose all kinds of objects. I'll show\Na few of them. They can be bikes. They can
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.67,0:13:22.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be a mobile phone. In this case, it's an\NiPhone model from 2010. It can be hovers.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.43,0:13:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll show a few examples. They dissect\Nthem and they analyzed the elements that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:28.82,0:13:32.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,compose them. And then they reconstruct\Nthese elements in the form of these
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.82,0:13:39.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,geometrical shape. I want to show a few of\Nthem. So that was the iPhone. That's good
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.49,0:13:49.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,old Nokia from 1999. When you see them in\Nan exhibition, they're really tiny. And I
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.51,0:13:53.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think we saw that some elements are simply\Nnot represented. If you think about rare
Dialogue: 0,0:13:53.28,0:13:59.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,earths, some of them are presenting in\Nsmartphone in really tiny quantities like
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.40,0:14:07.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,less than half a gram. But I couldn't find\Nanother image. But this is very big. So
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.10,0:14:12.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is the representation of a Volkswagen\NBeetle from 1980. And so that took a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:14:12.79,0:14:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of space. And you see an element appear\Nthat I was really not expecting, such as
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.25,0:14:26.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,horse hair and also corc. This is an\Nelectic cable. So, you know, a bit of
Dialogue: 0,0:14:26.82,0:14:35.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,copper and a lot of plastic for one meter.\NThat's my favorite, the Kalashnikov. You
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.06,0:14:42.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,see the the bullets in the front. And when\NI went to see the first time this
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.94,0:14:47.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exhibition and if I didn't look at the\Nlabel, I had no idea what was what, I
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.30,0:14:52.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could not recognize anything. So it shows\Nthe level of ignorance of at least people
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.72,0:15:00.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like me. But that I could recognize - a\Npencil. That I could manage. So that's the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:00.01,0:15:06.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,last one. That's a light bulb. That's one\Nway to visualize the elements that
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.82,0:15:16.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surround us. It's very designy, quite\Nelegant and charming. But I also like
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.94,0:15:23.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,artists who adopt a more brutal strategy.\NSo Dani Ploeger also wanted to show the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.01,0:15:28.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inside - well, that was one of his\Nobjectives at least - to see the inside of
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.01,0:15:36.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,electronic devices. So the first part of\Nhis project started back in 2012 and 17 he
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.83,0:15:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,infiltrated Phillips and got hired, as you\Nknow, this guy. You see them at these
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.26,0:15:48.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consumer goods fairs that try to sell it,\Nto sell you gadgets and say what is going
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.54,0:15:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to change your life? And here is what this\Ncan do. So he was he was hired to to sell
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.08,0:15:59.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a highly sophisticated shaver for men. And\Nthe reason why he wanted to be there is if
Dialogue: 0,0:15:59.22,0:16:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you wanted to understand exactly what were\Nthe dynamics and the logic behind the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.18,0:16:09.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constant rapid innovation behind our\Nelectronics. So that was the first part.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:09.81,0:16:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He got his hands on confidential material\Nthat really explain how people at Philips
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.32,0:16:24.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have these teams - I say Philips but I'm\Nsure it's the same elsewhere, of course -
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.16,0:16:30.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they really analyze the different types of\Nconsumer that we are and find the best way
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.40,0:16:37.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to to trick us and to lure us and seduce\Nus into buying new products. And then the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.49,0:16:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,second part of his project was this year\Nwhere he bought this machine. It's a
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.47,0:16:51.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,machine that is called industrial stress\Ntesting machine. So it's several of these
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.78,0:16:56.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,machines, you can buy them. He bought this\None on Alibaba in China. And they're
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.91,0:17:03.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,usually used by makers of whichever mobile\Nphone, whatever, and they simulate all
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.73,0:17:09.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kinds of accidents that can happen to your\Ndevice like you walking on it or dropping
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.31,0:17:17.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it. I'm going to show a video of this one.\N{\i1}video of machine in action is shown{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.64,0:17:43.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's our poor shaver inside. I like\Nthe machine because, you know, it has a
Dialogue: 0,0:17:43.37,0:17:48.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bit of a vintage feel inside. The object\Nthat it tests are quite sophisticated and
Dialogue: 0,0:17:48.56,0:17:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very, very much 21st century. But when you\Nsee the the control panel, it seems to be
Dialogue: 0,0:17:54.36,0:18:00.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stuck in the mid 20th century. It has\Nthese kind of old design. Apparently it
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.93,0:18:05.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a nightmare to get it shipped to to\NEurope. It costs more to get it shipped
Dialogue: 0,0:18:05.79,0:18:12.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the machine itself. And if you're\Nlike me and you could watch this video for
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.48,0:18:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hours of the arm rotating and breaking\Nthings, and if you live in Leipzig, the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:17.69,0:18:22.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,machine is going to come to the Museum of\NFine Art in March as part of an exhibition
Dialogue: 0,0:18:22.27,0:18:30.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called Zero Waste. So the reason why he\Ndid this, like, obscene display of
Dialogue: 0,0:18:30.37,0:18:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,destruction of luxury goods was that you\Nhad two reasons for doing that. First of
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.86,0:18:45.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all, the first reason was, is that usually\Nwhen we think about consumer culture and
Dialogue: 0,0:18:45.76,0:18:52.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how we consume too much and throw away too\Nmuch and and waste and the onus usually is
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.05,0:18:57.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the consumer. You know, the consumer is\Nwrong, and yeah, we are wrong. We buy too
Dialogue: 0,0:18:57.18,0:19:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much. But then the wrong starts actually\Nmuch further upstream. It starts
Dialogue: 0,0:19:04.66,0:19:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,everywhere in the line of production and\Nespecially in the design and research and
Dialogue: 0,0:19:10.73,0:19:17.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,development teams who engineer constantly\Nnew ways to seduce us and to convince us
Dialogue: 0,0:19:17.47,0:19:25.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we have to update. And then another\Nreason why he did this project is that is
Dialogue: 0,0:19:25.05,0:19:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that he wanted to to make a comment on\Nmaker spaces, which, you know, are very
Dialogue: 0,0:19:31.96,0:19:37.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting, but still feeding on this\Nvocabulary of entrepreneurship,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:37.43,0:19:44.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,innovation, progress. But they never\Nreally, truly and deeply and and they
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.87,0:19:52.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't really challenge in a systemic way\Nconsumerism. So he saw this laboratory of
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.04,0:19:58.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,electric electronic aging as a kind of\Nmake up space for unmaking things. And
Dialogue: 0,0:19:58.97,0:20:06.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also you get to see what's inside this\Npiece of electronic. But I would like to
Dialogue: 0,0:20:06.08,0:20:11.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go back to Aghogbloshie again, because if\Nthere are people who know very well what's
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.43,0:20:16.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inside our electronics and what they are\Nmade of it's the workers of Aghogbloshie.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:16.52,0:20:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sometimes, you know, when we think\Nabout this kind of place and I think the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:20.58,0:20:25.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,example of Aghogbloshie, but as I'm sure\Nyou know, there are equal sites elsewhere
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.63,0:20:31.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Africa, in Asia and Bangladesh et\Ncetera. We have the feeling that this is a
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.39,0:20:38.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big junkyard and that it's a kind of huge\Nmess and it's it's dark and it's dirty.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:38.54,0:20:44.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But this is a map done by architects,\Ndesigners and activist who spent a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:20:44.79,0:20:50.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time in Aghogbloshie. And you probably\Ncannot read - well, you probably all have
Dialogue: 0,0:20:50.06,0:20:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better eyes than me, but it's still\Nwritten very small - they map the
Dialogue: 0,0:20:55.16,0:21:00.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,activities in Aghogbloshie. And if you\Nread the map, you see that the there is a
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.11,0:21:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maker space, there are spaces dedicated to\Ndisassembling, there are places to eat, to
Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.55,0:21:14.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pray, to disassemble, to repair, to have\Nfun. And also, we have the feeling that,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.84,0:21:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, these are just people discarding and\Ndissecting our electronics. But actually,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:21.88,0:21:26.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way they work is very sophisticated\Nand very fine. So first of all, they get
Dialogue: 0,0:21:26.79,0:21:31.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these huge containers, that with content,\Npretty much anything we don't want that's
Dialogue: 0,0:21:31.65,0:21:37.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,electric or electronic, including entire\Ncars. And they divide them in streams. So
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.30,0:21:45.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is a heap of photocopy machines. They\Nalso can detect when something can't be
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.37,0:21:52.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,repaired, but they also can detect which\Npart of the machine all the computer is
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.23,0:21:57.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still, which component can be saved and\Nreused to repair something else. So that
Dialogue: 0,0:21:57.87,0:22:05.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also goes on another pile. I think they're\Nmuch better than us at differentiating
Dialogue: 0,0:22:05.15,0:22:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,different types of plastics. They have\Nplaces dedicated to weigh in the kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:22:14.00,0:22:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,metal that they retrieve. And I would say\Nthat they're quite like you suddenly, not
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.70,0:22:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like me. So when I have a computer and it\Ndoesn't work. I think for me, it's a black
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.28,0:22:33.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,box. I'm never going to open it. But these\Npeople, their job, their business is to
Dialogue: 0,0:22:33.14,0:22:38.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,open our old computers and better than\Nthat. Most of them, like not most of them,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.81,0:22:43.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but many of them, can repair and give them\Na second life or really a new lease of
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.75,0:22:51.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,life, which, you know, it's important\Nbecause we think all these objects are
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.07,0:22:54.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dead, but actually they give them a second\Nlife and then, you know, they repair it.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.66,0:23:00.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They repair them, they sell them to\Ncommunities around Aghogbloshie or in
Dialogue: 0,0:23:00.52,0:23:05.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ghana, or in neighboring countries to\Npeople would otherwise not be able to
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.13,0:23:11.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,afford a new printer or new TV or a\Ncomputer. And then, as you can see, they
Dialogue: 0,0:23:11.82,0:23:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have places to have fun. And they, too,\Nare quite fans of the Premier League. So
Dialogue: 0,0:23:21.80,0:23:27.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the map I was showing, just before. With\Nall the activities in Aghogbloshie has
Dialogue: 0,0:23:27.79,0:23:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been made by architects and designers DK\NOsseo-Asare and Yasmina Abbas. They spent
Dialogue: 0,0:23:33.86,0:23:39.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of time trying to understand how the\Ncommunity was working. And they designed
Dialogue: 0,0:23:39.36,0:23:47.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this kiosk with anything they could find\Non the scrapyard. And it's a meeting place
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.58,0:23:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where they invite the community of\NAghogbloshie to meet people such as
Dialogue: 0,0:23:54.24,0:24:00.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,graduates or young students in science,\Ntechnology, engineering, math. And so the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.55,0:24:07.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,students and graduates who have very, very\Ntheoretical vision on technology. And then
Dialogue: 0,0:24:07.74,0:24:13.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they get to meet these people, who have\Nextremely sophisticated, very deep, know
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.73,0:24:20.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how. And together they exchange ideas and\Nthey've developed ways, for example, you
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.63,0:24:25.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know, the traditional lead to to recover\Nthe copper from the cable, they would burn
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.54,0:24:30.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the cable, the plastic, which is very\Ntoxic and also damages the copper. So they
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.66,0:24:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,find a way to recover the copper without\Nburning the plastic, which means that it's
Dialogue: 0,0:24:36.54,0:24:42.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,less toxic, it's safer, and they can sell\Nthe copper for more money. So it's kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:24:42.98,0:24:50.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a win-win. The aim was to develop together\Nnew processes, new ways of working, new
Dialogue: 0,0:24:50.65,0:24:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tools. They also have fun. So with bits\Nand pieces, they found on the scrap yard a
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.54,0:25:02.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,couple of years ago they made these drones\Nthat flew over the junkyard. So it's a
Dialogue: 0,0:25:02.15,0:25:10.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project I like a lot because it pays\Nhommage to the kind of work that doesn't
Dialogue: 0,0:25:10.74,0:25:15.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,get a lot of recognition. But that's\Nreally important, you know, when you think
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.23,0:25:22.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of, as I said, the metals we are using to\Nmake our electronics and also even the
Dialogue: 0,0:25:22.11,0:25:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solar panels and and the wind turbine et\Ncetera, and all our renewable energy they
Dialogue: 0,0:25:28.89,0:25:35.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also rely on the same metals that are\Ndisappearing, at least are becoming less
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.85,0:25:39.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,available. So that's one of the reasons I\Nreally like this project. And also, it
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.59,0:25:46.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reminded me of this performance from\Nalready forty years ago by Mierle Laderman
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.53,0:25:54.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ukeles. She kind of decided she would be\Nan artist in residency at the New York
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.23,0:26:00.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Department of Sanitation. So that's the\Npeople who collect the trash. So she spent
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.42,0:26:05.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a year with them everyday. She was there\Nat six in the morning and she followed
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.98,0:26:10.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them and she did, she had this gesture of\Nshe wanted to meet every single one of
Dialogue: 0,0:26:10.72,0:26:16.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,them. There were 8500 employees. So she\Nshe wanted to shake them with them and
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.14,0:26:21.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say, thank you for keeping New York City\Nalive. Which I think is a lovely gesture,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:21.06,0:26:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because suddenly this anonymous mass of\Nbin men you realize that there are
Dialogue: 0,0:26:25.96,0:26:33.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,individuals. And yeah, she documented and\Ntalked with them. It's a way to bring
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.58,0:26:39.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,attention to a profession that we don't\Nvalue a lot. And also, she wanted by
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.55,0:26:44.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spending so much time among them to make\Npeople realize that the work of these
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.63,0:26:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people should be valued at least as much\Nas her own as an artist because of the
Dialogue: 0,0:26:50.56,0:26:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,role they play for the collective society.\NYeah. Okay. I see. Still Agbogbloshie
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.50,0:27:04.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if I had time I would talk about other\Nprojects in Africa. This one's a startup.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.50,0:27:10.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,African born 3D that makes 3D printers\Nthat at least a third of the components
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.06,0:27:20.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,come are found in second hand on second\Nhand, in discarded electronic let's say.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:20.93,0:27:26.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think what this show is, is a kind\Nof mindset and an attitude that should
Dialogue: 0,0:27:26.32,0:27:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inspire us. And it's going to show to show\Nyou a few example of this attitude, I
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.00,0:27:37.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think is really important is is trying to\Nmake the most of what you have instead of
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.36,0:27:44.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,jumping on the next gadget and gizmo, but\Nreally trying to to be as creative, as
Dialogue: 0,0:27:44.29,0:27:49.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,innovative as possible. So in India,\Nthey have this movement called Jugaad,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:49.41,0:27:56.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where even in the West we\Ntranslate it as frugal innovation. So this
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.87,0:28:03.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is. Oh yeah. You needed. You had only a\Nmotorcycle. You need a ploughing machine
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.42,0:28:11.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for his land. So you adapted. The the the\Nis motorcycle. And you turn it into a kind
Dialogue: 0,0:28:11.26,0:28:28.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of.\N{\i1}sudden silence{\i0}
Dialogue: 0,0:28:28.55,0:28:34.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RD: I can take a traveling mic\NAudio technician: Dead battery.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:34.87,0:28:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RD: So I should keep ... watch out for my\Nhair, yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:41.23,0:28:47.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: In the meantime, the question. You\Nknow it. Oh, no. I think the meantime is
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.19,0:28:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over. No. So, uh, you know the question.\NAnd you know the case 6-2-1. Someone? No?
Dialogue: 0,0:28:53.44,0:29:02.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So six hours of sleep a day. Two meals?\NNo. Oh, boring. Anyways, to remember it:
Dialogue: 0,0:29:02.66,0:29:09.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,six hours of sleep, two meals a day and\None shower, please remember. And, uh, to
Dialogue: 0,0:29:09.04,0:29:14.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make some minor announcements, don't\Nforget the trash. Do we have audio back?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:14.14,0:29:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RD: I think so.\NHerald: Perfect. Then, please.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.54,0:29:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,RD: I can't believe you told people\Nto wash. Yeah. Yeah. This is answering
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.50,0:29:32.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,precise need instead of creating demand.\NAnd sometimes, you know, it respond to a
Dialogue: 0,0:29:32.35,0:29:40.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specific problem. Sometimes it can be\Nscaled up. So this Indian inventor made a
Dialogue: 0,0:29:40.52,0:29:46.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fridge that doesn't use electricity, but\Nuses evaporation to to keep the food cool
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.81,0:29:51.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,simply because there are people who live\Nin a rural areas who don't necessarily can
Dialogue: 0,0:29:51.25,0:29:58.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,afford a fridge or don't have continuous\Naccess to electricity. And of course, the
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.10,0:30:02.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,best example and the most famous example\Nof Jugaad, is the Indian
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.37,0:30:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,space mission. Since 2014 India has is a\Nprobe orbiting Mars and the Indian
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.71,0:30:18.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,engineers, and pretty much everybody in\NIndia jokes about the fact that it costs
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.61,0:30:23.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,less money for them, that the space\Nmission cost less money than than your
Dialogue: 0,0:30:23.55,0:30:31.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,average Hollywood blockbuster about space.\NAnd, you know, it's not about making
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.16,0:30:42.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things cheap. It's about reinventing\Nprocess, of designing, of manufacturing
Dialogue: 0,0:30:42.51,0:30:48.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of distributing. Okay. I don't have\Nthat much time. So I'm going to skip a few
Dialogue: 0,0:30:48.07,0:30:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,things. Yes. So I've been to India,\NAfrica. Let's get back to to Asia, because
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.70,0:31:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really like this project. Say it's a\Nproject by an artist who also saw images
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.88,0:31:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Agbogbloshien similar a\Njunkyards. And so he was interested in
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.80,0:31:11.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,e-waste as well. He found himself in\NTaiwan and he found this really cutting
Dialogue: 0,0:31:11.70,0:31:18.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,edge company that deals with e-waste no\None wants. So usually when you find a
Dialogue: 0,0:31:18.26,0:31:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company that deals with recycling midsize,\Nusually they focus on the nice metals, the
Dialogue: 0,0:31:25.26,0:31:30.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ones that are valuable like in a copper,\Nfor example. And then you have pieces of
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.57,0:31:39.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,electronic waste that no one wants, such\Nas a I don't know the one that contains
Dialogue: 0,0:31:39.25,0:31:47.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lead or CRT monitors or glass fiber from\Nprinted electronic boards. This kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:31:47.61,0:31:51.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thing that really no one knows what to do\Nwith it. Well, they found a way. So the
Dialogue: 0,0:31:51.48,0:31:59.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,company is called Super Dragon\NTechnology. And the trick they found is
Dialogue: 0,0:31:59.65,0:32:05.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they just take all these bits and\Npieces of waste that no one wants and they
Dialogue: 0,0:32:05.66,0:32:09.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,crush them into a powder, they mix them\Nwith epoxy and they make these splendid
Dialogue: 0,0:32:09.97,0:32:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,objects out of them. And because I think\Nthey're quite crafty, they can imitate
Dialogue: 0,0:32:15.76,0:32:21.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very well the appearance of bronze, of\Nmarble, of porcelain, you know, very noble
Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.57,0:32:27.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,material. And also they play with the\Nproportion of epoxy and this toxic powder
Dialogue: 0,0:32:27.52,0:32:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make it so like feel like it's very\Nheavy if it's supposed to imitate bronze,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:32.11,0:32:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,etc. And so they're decorative objects\Nwith the particularity that they contain a
Dialogue: 0,0:32:37.50,0:32:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lot of lead. So you're not supposed to\Nmanipulate them too much might be
Dialogue: 0,0:32:41.46,0:32:47.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dangerous. They also have in common that\Nthey have a very peculiar esthetic. As you
Dialogue: 0,0:32:47.23,0:32:54.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can see, this is a trophy. And then have\Nthese these wonderful little thing where
Dialogue: 0,0:32:54.25,0:33:00.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they actually they make fake rocks, which\Nlooks absolutely eccentric and crazy. But
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.97,0:33:05.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the story is that these are not just any\Ntype of rocks. They're supposed to be
Dialogue: 0,0:33:05.89,0:33:14.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scholar stone. So during the tense 11th\Nand 12th century in China, there was the
Dialogue: 0,0:33:14.45,0:33:21.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dispassion for the so-called scholar stone\Nwhere an intellectual from China would go
Dialogue: 0,0:33:21.71,0:33:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the countryside and admire the\Nlandscape. And suddenly they would find
Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.36,0:33:29.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these rocks that were seemed to be\Nsculpted by the elements that had really
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.86,0:33:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strange and interesting shapes. And they\Nthought it was the manifestation of the
Dialogue: 0,0:33:35.23,0:33:40.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creativity of nature. And so they would\Nbring them back and use them to
Dialogue: 0,0:33:40.61,0:33:44.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contemplate and meditate. And, you know,\Nnow nowadays you can you can still buy
Dialogue: 0,0:33:44.70,0:33:51.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of these scholar stones in auction.\NThey're quite valuable. But what I really,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:51.73,0:33:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really like is that these superb dragon\Ntechnology is the way they think. So they
Dialogue: 0,0:33:58.68,0:34:04.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can figure out that there's a difference\Nbetween applied art that makes you do
Dialogue: 0,0:34:04.36,0:34:10.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,useful things like plates and furniture\Nand then fine art that makes basically
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.71,0:34:16.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,useless things and sees the ways no one\Nwants is useless. Well, that kinds of
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.65,0:34:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fits with the requirement to make fine\Nart. So this way all these objects have
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.80,0:34:25.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been shown showing to you. They call them\Ngreen art and they have a green art
Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.82,0:34:30.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gallery, and appearantly it's quite\Nsuccessful. Tyler Coburn bought some of
Dialogue: 0,0:34:30.31,0:34:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these stones and actually accompanies them\Nwith a text. So I know your narrative
Dialogue: 0,0:34:36.92,0:34:41.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you have the story of one single\Ngrain of sand that tells its many stories
Dialogue: 0,0:34:41.84,0:34:47.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how it started as a sand and then became\Nbecame a piece of electronics and then a
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.21,0:34:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,piece of trash and then and then ended its\Nlife as art. Found it very charming. I
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.76,0:35:01.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't have time for this. Yes. Very\Nquickly. I mean, I'm famous for giving
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.85,0:35:06.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very depressing talks. So now I'm trying\Nto insert a little bit of happiness in my
Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.75,0:35:12.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talks. Things are changing a bit. That's\Nwhy you have now repair cafes that are
Dialogue: 0,0:35:12.86,0:35:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quite successful, yet there are also shops\Nyou can find where the people working
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.99,0:35:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there and absolutely not affiliated with\Nwith Apple, Samsung and Nokia. But they
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.30,0:35:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,found a way to give a second life to your\Nobjects and repair them. So and usually
Dialogue: 0,0:35:26.10,0:35:31.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they are much nicer than the guys at the\NGenius Bar. If you've ever had to deal
Dialogue: 0,0:35:31.49,0:35:38.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with them. There are more and more Web\Nsites that sell secondhand goods that have
Dialogue: 0,0:35:38.60,0:35:42.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that even come with a one year warranty.\NYou've heard about the fairphone, of
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.95,0:35:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course. And then brings me quite abruptly\Nto the other type of waste I wanted to
Dialogue: 0,0:35:50.32,0:35:55.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,talk about, which is nuclear waste. I\Nthought I saw that I needed to talk about
Dialogue: 0,0:35:55.01,0:35:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nuclear waste because because it's waste,\Nbecause it's energy. And so it's very
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.38,0:36:06.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technological and extremely problematic.\NSo what do you do when you have your
Dialogue: 0,0:36:06.42,0:36:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,country and you have a lot of nuclear\Nwaste? I mean, the most toxic can be toxic
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.40,0:36:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for 100.000 years, up to a million years.\NIt's going to be very, very dangerous. You
Dialogue: 0,0:36:19.50,0:36:25.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have two choices. Either you keep it at\Nhand like buried, but not too deep so that
Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.39,0:36:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you hope that in the near future someone\Nwill have a brilliant idea and be able to
Dialogue: 0,0:36:30.34,0:36:36.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'll know what to do with it and how to\Nhandle it safely. Or else you do like they
Dialogue: 0,0:36:36.09,0:36:40.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are doing in in Finland and in other\Ncountries. And France is thinking about
Dialogue: 0,0:36:40.18,0:36:47.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that. You bury them very, very deep under\Nthe ground in deep geological repository.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:47.95,0:36:53.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But then you have a problem because it's\Ngoing to be to be dangerous for thousands
Dialogue: 0,0:36:53.01,0:37:00.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of years. So how do you inform people,\Nlike a future generation that it's dangerous
Dialogue: 0,0:37:00.43,0:37:07.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they shouldn't go nearby. Either you\Nuse text, but then languages change,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:07.89,0:37:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,languages disappear. I mean, we might\Nthink that, oh, everybody speaks English,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:11.60,0:37:17.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but everybody used to speak a bit of\NLatin. And now if you are confronted with
Dialogue: 0,0:37:17.65,0:37:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the text of Latin, you might not find it\Neasy to understand, even if your mother
Dialogue: 0,0:37:23.24,0:37:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,language is English. Dealing with with an\NEnglish text from the middle age is going
Dialogue: 0,0:37:28.64,0:37:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be difficult. I speak French dealing\Nwith the with a French text from the
Dialogue: 0,0:37:32.20,0:37:39.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,middle age is difficult. So how about\Nhaving some nice icons such as the skull
Dialogue: 0,0:37:39.39,0:37:43.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and crossbones like everybody, you would\Nthink that everybody associated with
Dialogue: 0,0:37:43.46,0:37:49.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,toxicity. Absolutely not. It's quite it's\Nquite new. It's only since the 1800 that
Dialogue: 0,0:37:49.99,0:37:54.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the skull and crossbones have been\Nassociated with toxicity. In the middle
Dialogue: 0,0:37:54.40,0:38:00.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,age Christians when they saw Skull and\NBones they tought of renewal and
Dialogue: 0,0:38:00.28,0:38:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resirection. And I guess if you show the\Nchildren the skull and crossbones there,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:07.56,0:38:12.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they they're not going to see toxicity.\NThey are going to say, oh, cool, pirate's
Dialogue: 0,0:38:12.14,0:38:17.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Treasure Island. So you see, that's\Ntricky. Yeah, the symbols. So I am going
Dialogue: 0,0:38:17.91,0:38:22.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to show a couple of ideas that\Nsemioticians and artists and philosophers
Dialogue: 0,0:38:22.71,0:38:30.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thinkers have thought about to deal\Nwith how to signal to very, very distant
Dialogue: 0,0:38:30.23,0:38:33.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generations that there is something\Nspecial there and you shouldn't go near
Dialogue: 0,0:38:33.76,0:38:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it. Oh yeah. Okay, I forgot this one. Even\Nif you found a suitable message, let's say
Dialogue: 0,0:38:40.90,0:38:44.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you found a suitable message. You also\Nhave to make sure that people would take
Dialogue: 0,0:38:44.51,0:38:51.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it seriously. The thing, the coastline off\Nof Japan, there are these so-called
Dialogue: 0,0:38:51.75,0:38:56.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tsunami stones that basically say, please\Ndon't build beyond this point because it's
Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.17,0:38:59.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very dangerous. There's been a tsunami.\NThey will come back one day and no one
Dialogue: 0,0:38:59.69,0:39:07.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,paid attention. Anyway, let's go back to\Nmy artist and semioticians idea. So in the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.27,0:39:14.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,early 80s, a semiotician had the idea of,\Nyou know, to preserve the memory of the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:14.20,0:39:20.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presence of a very toxic, very dangerous\Nnuclear waste, you have to make it part of
Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.17,0:39:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,society to include it in the fabric of\Nsociety. So, he suggested the creation of
Dialogue: 0,0:39:25.31,0:39:31.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an atomic priesthood. So that would be a\Nreligious order that would have as its
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.59,0:39:37.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mission to keep the memory of the danger\Nalive, using rituals and myths and
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.74,0:39:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,folklore. Some artists thought, well, we\Nshould plan the forest like a forest of
Dialogue: 0,0:39:44.84,0:39:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,genetically modified trees on top of one\Nof those repositories, so that in the
Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.92,0:39:55.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,autumn the leaves would bloom and become\Nblue and that they would fall and that
Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.45,0:40:01.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there would be a nice blue carpet. And\Npeople like in thousands of years would
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.75,0:40:05.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interpret it as: oh this is a secret\Nplace, we should leave it in peace and
Dialogue: 0,0:40:05.16,0:40:09.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,respect it. I really love this idea. I\Nfind it a bit naive because, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:09.74,0:40:15.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,human beings don't have a great track\Nrecord of respecting beautiful pieces of
Dialogue: 0,0:40:15.61,0:40:21.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,landscape. So, yeah, I'm not very\Noptimistic. Yeah, and then there is this
Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.59,0:40:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of cynical idea of modifying a cat so\Nthat the cat would stop glowing or
Dialogue: 0,0:40:30.78,0:40:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changing the color of its fur in the\Npresence of high red. Oh, 20 minutes
Dialogue: 0,0:40:36.07,0:40:43.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again. Keep adding time. But I'm almost\Ndone anyway. So that would be a cat that
Dialogue: 0,0:40:43.47,0:40:49.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,changes color or glow in the presence of\Nradioactivity. This is not one of those
Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.34,0:40:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cats this is an artistic interpretation of\NMarcel Rickli. So yeah, I think it's not
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.20,0:41:10.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very nice. To be honest with you, I like\Nall those ideas of trying to transmit and
Dialogue: 0,0:41:10.66,0:41:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,connect with very, very distant time and\Nwith people who are living in moments, in
Dialogue: 0,0:41:17.02,0:41:23.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,times we cannot even comprehend and\Nimagine. But I'm not totally convinced.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:23.39,0:41:27.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I mean, they're charming, but I don't\Nthink they would stand the test of deep
Dialogue: 0,0:41:27.67,0:41:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,time, mostly because it just that the\Nperiods we're talking about, like even
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.68,0:41:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,100.000 years, it goes beyond human\Nexperience. How do you relate to it? It's
Dialogue: 0,0:41:40.72,0:41:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just so far away that it becomes abstract\Nand almost unreal. So I've been thinking,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:46.86,0:41:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, about this project. I've been\Ninterested in nuclear waste for quite a
Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.26,0:41:56.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,few years now. So I've been thinking other\Nprojects, artistic or others, that can
Dialogue: 0,0:41:56.93,0:42:03.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,relate to, like physically or emotionally,\Nwith very, very distant past, but in the
Dialogue: 0,0:42:03.57,0:42:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,distant times, but in the past, because we\Ndon't know the future, we don't know what
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.96,0:42:12.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's going to be like. But the past, we\Nkind of have an idea. I couldn't find any
Dialogue: 0,0:42:12.13,0:42:17.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project that really, that I was convinced\Ncould give a good experience, a good idea
Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.66,0:42:24.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of relating to a distant time in the past.\NUntil last month, there was this big art
Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.19,0:42:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fair in Turin and I found this butt plug\Nby a Swedish artist called Thomas Hämén.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.00,0:42:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the particularity of this butt plug is\Nthat it's made of copper light. So it's
Dialogue: 0,0:42:37.95,0:42:46.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,basically dinosaur poo from around 140\Nmillion years ago. And that's where I
Dialogue: 0,0:42:46.13,0:42:53.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discovered that there is actually a big\Nmarket for the incredible, for fossilized
Dialogue: 0,0:42:53.38,0:42:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dinosaur excrements. You can buy it. I\Nchecked. You can buy it on Amazon. I'm not
Dialogue: 0,0:42:59.08,0:43:03.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sure it's going to be an authentic, but\Nit's available on Amazon. So I thought,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:03.73,0:43:08.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,yeah, that's it. I mean, if you were to\Nbuy it and use it, you would actually be
Dialogue: 0,0:43:08.49,0:43:15.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in close connection with a living creature\Nthat, I mean, in intimate contact, I could
Dialogue: 0,0:43:15.09,0:43:24.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,say, with a creature that lived at a very,\Nvery distant time. Okay. So, we are almost
Dialogue: 0,0:43:24.33,0:43:30.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the end. I have three lines of\Nconclusion that I'm going to read. But
Dialogue: 0,0:43:30.20,0:43:37.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then I want to show you a film. And my\Nconclusion would be that all of this is
Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.59,0:43:43.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very fanciful, especially the end. But it\Nmight still be useful to keep in mind that
Dialogue: 0,0:43:43.67,0:43:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,something like renewable energy that keeps\Nus so, so passionate, is very often viewed
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.02,0:43:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a long term solution to the climate\Nemergency. But unfortunately, renewable
Dialogue: 0,0:43:55.33,0:44:01.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energy relies on physical resources that\Nare neither infinite nor renewable. And
Dialogue: 0,0:44:01.35,0:44:05.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now, it looks like we are busy\Nimplementing a future that was dreamt and
Dialogue: 0,0:44:05.86,0:44:12.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conceived a few decades ago. At a time\Nwhen society wasn't worried about
Dialogue: 0,0:44:12.45,0:44:20.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exploding climate crises, the erasure of\Nwildlife and growing material scarcity
Dialogue: 0,0:44:20.45,0:44:27.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accompanied by an unmanageable heaps of\Nwaste. Anyway, I've just been talking
Dialogue: 0,0:44:27.37,0:44:36.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the future and I would like to end\Nwith a short movie set in the future by
Dialogue: 0,0:44:36.18,0:44:45.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Alexandra Lupashko, who is a young Russian\Nfilmmaker. And I really wanted to show it
Dialogue: 0,0:44:45.63,0:44:51.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to you for several reasons. One of them is\Nthat when I knew I would come back, my
Dialogue: 0,0:44:51.17,0:44:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first thought is that, yes, I'm going to\Nbe able to show 2050, because I really
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Dialogue: 0,0:48:51.36,0:49:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah.. {\i1}applause{\i0}\NYeah. I forget to say it had nothing to do
Dialogue: 0,0:49:04.18,0:49:11.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with waste, but it was just irresistible,\NI had to show it to you. Okay, that's it
Dialogue: 0,0:49:11.10,0:49:17.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for me. Unless you have questions.\NHerald: Thank you very much, Régine
Dialogue: 0,0:49:17.46,0:49:30.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Débatty. {\i1}applause{\i0} As usual, if you have\Nquestions, we have microphones over there
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Dialogue: 0,0:49:35.86,0:49:43.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Internet. OK. In the meantime,\Nsmall thing. If you want to read, know
Dialogue: 0,0:49:43.25,0:49:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about.... Sorry, if you want to read more\Nabout Régine. She writes also on a
Dialogue: 0,0:49:48.51,0:49:51.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,website. It's called "We Make Money, not\NArt dot com"
Dialogue: 0,0:49:51.81,0:49:55.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[https://we-make-money-not-art.com].\NWhich is, at least if I am concerned, a
Dialogue: 0,0:49:55.39,0:50:01.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,brilliant title. And you write about what?\NRégine: I've been writing, I mean, I think
Dialogue: 0,0:50:01.42,0:50:06.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is for almost 16 years about the way\Ndesigners, artists and hackers are using
Dialogue: 0,0:50:06.66,0:50:11.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,science and technology in a creative but\Nmore importantly socially engaged way. So
Dialogue: 0,0:50:11.97,0:50:17.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's quite political, I like to think.\NHerald: Which suits perfectly to this to
Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.79,0:50:19.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this event.\NRégine: Yeah.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:19.69,0:50:27.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: So questions? I see none so far.\NNone so far. In this case, we can...
Dialogue: 0,0:50:27.81,0:50:31.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Number four is this.\NMicrophone 4: Um.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:31.58,0:50:38.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: Now in this case ... I heard an,\Num. No question. In this case, we can chat
Dialogue: 0,0:50:38.64,0:50:43.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a little bit more about your website.\NRégine: Okay
Dialogue: 0,0:50:43.23,0:50:46.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Herald: So if you want. If you want.\NRégine: Yeah. It's not going to interest
Dialogue: 0,0:50:46.10,0:50:48.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people.\NHerald: I'm pretty sure it does.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:48.10,0:50:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Régine: Okay.\NHerald: Because I had a quick look and it
Dialogue: 0,0:50:50.40,0:50:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was pretty impressive. You write\Nabout AI as far as I know.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:54.52,0:50:59.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Régine: That's the thing. When I knew I\Nwas coming to talk about the best of 2019.
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Dialogue: 0,0:51:09.50,0:51:13.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,AI, but otherwise...\NHerald. No AI?
Dialogue: 0,0:51:13.46,0:51:17.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Régine: Yeah. On my blog, there's been a\Nlot of AI. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a bit sick of
Dialogue: 0,0:51:17.85,0:51:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it. Actually, one of the last ... I wrote\Nabout was by Julian Oliver who spoke just
Dialogue: 0,0:51:23.48,0:51:30.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before me now. Yeah.\NHerald: Cool. In this case, no more
Dialogue: 0,0:51:30.23,0:51:34.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,questions. Thank you very much.\NPlease, a warm applause for Jean.
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