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Antarctica is melting.
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you know,
In those days and these claims exist and some of them actually
thank you for joining us for an update on this frozen world at the
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Cooperative Research Centre at the University of Tasmania Tasmania
With him.
your moniker your state with the done thing.
First of all what parts of Australia are closest to Antarctica and
age of heroic exploration.
However,
, namely 63.5 degrees Fahrenheit,
Antarctica that shows some of the greatest climate warming of
Is that just a freak occurrence or do you think Antarctica is
And have you been there.
The Congress is the largest growth you know East Antarctica.
home on our ice breaker which took 7 considered try.
so not a freak occurrence.
Obviously,
Okay.
means is that we have a whole range of instruments on an aircraft
These days,
In this modern era either by flying directly there in a jet plane
what claims does your country have on that continent.
too.
between Australia and Antarctica.
So it's consistent with that sort of situation that you're going
whether they have claims to particular pieces of turf all but I
I don't say that being involved with the phone day here at home.
okay.
South Pole.
front considerably stand and Niagara Falls and its 200 meters
we're looking at.
degree Celsius lower that was back in 1961 and it was even later
You know putting out flags and claiming things in the name of if
I think that is being more than twice the size of for you.
Antarctica just experienced the 2 hardest days ever recorded there
It's a feature-length interview about new science the chills
Obviously I that's currently not floating on the ocean because
Yes,
For the whole planet,
got there.
There's a lot of action in Antarctica and that can bring changes
sea.
Think about feel it is this is the host of surface freezing and
He is a researcher with the Antarctic climate and ecosystems
same day in late March.
this is certainly something which could use a lot of people.
all over the world.
to keep getting record breaking maximum temperatures and that of
We have melting from land ice like Greenland which does add to the
We're going to the end of the earth.
but on a very grand scale.
from the science were discovering this week sea levels will rise
is the closest Australian state to Antarctica Dr. Warner welcome
warming.
It's a giant place.
the title is ocean access to a cavity beneath glacier in East
around Antarctica in the wintertime.
affect civil rights of a but there are still Ferraris something
This week on Radio Eco shark.
civilization,
to Radio Eco shock.
continent itself that's due south of Western Australia and I've
British,
you've hit something that's a little confusing to some of us we
I'm Alex Smith,
more tips on growing your own groceries.
if you know so I streams and it's quite focused for likely to top
typically,
You know,
shelf.
Yes,
and wipe a different story for one we want to tell today that's
Half of the Australian mainland and well I thought still some
line is is perhaps a useful one here for a long time.
Well,
He took a very large grace period driving 540,000 square
kilometers of East Antarctica.
and I think you know everything is sort of you know and so we
around the planet for centuries reshaping the coastlines and
recent years.
the lot of mentioning before and often is channeled into these
because it's only going to fresh of top layers of the ocean that
well,
which perhaps is not fleeting Antarctica that's where think was
one big think there isn't actually coined by anyone at all.
and we fly for hours and hours.
very being ourselves and so if you do something to change the ice
in the year as a month later was in April that's so it's only anti
I've heard that was warmer than the temperature in Britain on the
Got if your that the floating on the ocean.
So I was a Casey station which is one of 3 Australian basis on
further things would happen with sea ice around Antarctica.
volume.
as you alluded Australia does have a territorial claim to a large
Yes I think twice.
that's certainly true again that East West Antarctica dividing
white pants down of that the part of the globe.
perhaps 5° Celsius warmer over the last 50 years,
polar islands but in Antarctica seems confusing,
And when that sea ice is forming the Fiat itself is relatively
tend to overlap,
particularly around the most successful part then tactic in that.
thick.
the journey begins.
That could affect sea level rises.
It's one of the big seasonal changes in the Earth's climate system
actually the,
Here to discuss recent sciences Dr. Roland C warmer.
certainly.
that deep below sea level.
How does it work.
The Argentinian Esperanza Base on the Antarctic Peninsula.
million square kilometers,
And so just food to fill out is the story this 70 billion tons of
that governs how people behave in Antarctica.
That's almost double for signs of that big,
I think of 3 summer seasons with heat strain in US,
This is a bit of a mouthful stands for investigating Christ very
If the law Michael submarine part of of eastern our state
So if I cheat hadn't developed there.
we didn't really understand how warmer waters could undermine this
distance away to our south there are only a few small islands in
or more still needles but deep and that includes,
I should say that they are itself is more than 30km wide at the
cap project is we have better defined it.
let's turn to a new scientific paper you were directly involved in
some places,
and the line below Africa Australia so the Congo.
retiring stress that's holding back ice which is flowing typically
This would just the ocean one could go to work well could go
All right,
Antarctica.
sitting in around towards South America.
rate at which ice flows from a grounded ice into the ocean and we
But these claims are on ice and if you will.
I mean it is a real continent now in a shocking bit of news
I now Wesley serving aircraft reviews have a radar system that can
but 42% of it,
In the capital city of Western Australia.
the the summit agreed to between I suppose westwards to the Rafah
Well,
firmly professionally in very large but that would in fact
all you can think of it as a keystone you know basically you have
, the fact of the rejuvenated DC 3 genuine World War II vintage
that's floating on the ocean when it melts well simply filling the
It came to split Antarctic are up by which in the world,
according to the British Antarctic Survey.
in terms of the level rises ground a life like Greenland and like
you can see how deep the ocean is if you fire up and down with on
I'm here in Tasmania of an island state of Australia.
that's what that that out of ice that you can collect in half a
actually getting into these cavities underneath the ice shelves.
They are the ice sheet measuring many different things and I'm
probably be called fees if they weren't.
station or rather more long way around changing planes that.
the middle of the Southern Ocean,
it wouldn't have seen major itself,
going to come from.
such been frozen over the ocean itself.
He was like,
And so until they new research done by a team,
Treaty which was established in the 1950s and it's that treaty
this floating terminus of both the problem crisis around a
We need to frame that a bit.
So almost directly below the city of Perth.
There's only a couple small ice shelves left attached to Canadian
The progression of ourselves shelves and the ice sheet is also an
And how did you do the science to find this out.
West you were list.
think the reason is warming.
Antarctica so less brands when looking at about 116 he strongly
Under their party.
it's around Antarctica and in the Arctic.
new variations in the strength of local gravity I'm flying very
to be precise now various countries establish these claims in an
it might even writers see.
Think of the Antarctic Peninsula points up to South America and
floor underneath.
believe in effect changes in the ice shelves are going to be that
US they with murder when flying for hours and hours allow you know
courtesy of the year old Archimedes we have you know the guy
Australian state of Victoria for North American audience audiences
I would like to fall out of the on story as well.
So this is in fact innocent parties,
evolution through collaborative 2 physical profiling and what that
sure we will discuss today using that aircraft.
nearby and more importantly all the pathways by which it can
we've been able to do is to map out the shape of bedrock beneath
out late.
from here in Havana to the runaway on the ice cap behind the
this work,
Yeah.
But think you're Antarctica pointing South America is an area of
interesting one.
that's,
with a little more we don't quite know them,
And so when I 3 state holidays.
Wilkes.
And I think I see is standing on the sea floor maybe half a mile
I think it would simply become a collection of islands you could
but it's very hard to work out what's the geometry of the sea
And that's big.
Yeah,
French collaborative project this imaginatively called ice cap.
ski equipped Hercules to land at and on one occasion I've come
ice flows out of that quite you know every year that's amazingly
Follow us and the presence of the ice shelf there provides
They have much in the time left,
will not.
or 17.5° C and that was that.
where the ice is on the ground.
Sea level.
In this case,
It's been compared to pulling the cork out of a bottle.
sea ice ice shelves and land based glaciers.
glacier complex say in this century.
now graces around the world and a sleeping giant in the lift,
from that's that's restraining the writer was that ice flows into
radio equal shot and orgy.
Maybe one of needing 2 kilometers of
could you just give us a quick update on the relationship between
It was previously displacing.
It's not part of either or outside the Antarctic Peninsula.
course one hot days where there while the trend in hot days who
That's not to say that won't have an impact on the earth's system
the ice cap.
we've been exploring the aurora Basin,
could phone they do play a big role in in the future.
Yeah,
don't particularly is parts weaving between the Greenwich Meridian
where's the tartan glacier and how big is it.
completely unknown Persia logical pathway.
and transmitting these changes in the forces of the even further
So there's a lot of life on the moon.
can't penetrate seawater water.
actually what drives a lot of the deep global ocean circulation
The area where the ocean surface is predominantly covered by why
somewhere often the ice is very deep here in Miami Tottenham we're
There were often see Astra meant ships from getting in and so what
Going to Radio Eco shock I'm Alex Smith with Australian scientist
So that's the first thing that's important about the grounding.
it simply going to go off white given direction of life.
We've known by probing through to see how thick the ice is and how
that supply and what the consequent transmission of that affect
for little ice caps are still remain you where you know Arctic and
about the flow rate of Niagara Falls,
While at 5-year record is is rather short and some of the longest
It's the place to wants went the timescale is centuries all of
a big Ice shelf you know talking of the biggest ones are very
it increases the prospect that what war can circulate into this
cavity and maybe if the temperature of the water changes then the
sea level rise and then in the Arctic.
climbed into it was not a theorist of previous record was only 0.4
So that's not to say that the melting of things like ice shelves
what will happen in the rest of the century.
it probably would be better if it was called the underground
area of all the Great Lakes put together.
Getting thinner near the coast in fact surface there has been in
quite precise either of you sort of that was flying in space for a
We'll sea level rises.
It seems parts of Antarctica are actually below sea level.
The point we were.
If you can fight on almost exactly the opposite side and
wire what they've done here,
Yes,
to ice shelves previously we had quite good measurements swimmer
After all,
The extensive areas of East Antarctica are also seeking on bedrock
fighting are so often means that he lost 5 meters ice from the
sailing and what developed in the last 2 years,
but obviously it's moving slightly,
They are also likely reducing this restraining force they have on
partly as a result of major aerial survey that we've done with ice
itself and I thought flows eastwards towards you know a month of
for the gatekeepers particularly for Antarctica in terms of the
the major drivers in changing the dynamics of the whole why she
have sea ice which doesn't directly add to sea level rise.
Is that the amount that actually reaches the sea every year.
This guy thing you know you know that these guys have done a great
And I think he is from some writer satellites that were measuring
Yes we can in we're already seeing some small contribution to sea
Do we know.
alcohol plant.
might be more helpful to say that somewhat more than twice the
Yet the only turning to do it through water or flowing into the
lines themselves my move.
it's important because it's the place where suddenly the base of
But this gravity days are allowed us to map is inaccessible
The melting away all the changes in ourselves don't directly
we're forcing system a lot faster around them any natural forcing
Yep,
the,
Well,
We were fixing the the deep political be overturning circulation
fresh from the salt water on that they could become smug Saltire
fail from the Pacific to the Atlantic without having to go past
I think that I think to be really on the sea floor and as its
we're changing the climate so fast compared to what happened in
Sub-glacial basin which is immediately to its east.
we heard inside the bedrock channels that connect that deep cover
which is.
I flew in Antarctica is concentrated into major quite fast moving
There's a lot of the West.
In a comment on that article,
tartan glacier.
If you see half a meter change in the surface height of the
How is that possible.
is actually.
year maybe 15 years here.
Yes,
You know they mean you have to fit now and there's a lot of
Well,
scuffle what event.
level since obviously water flows downhill.
On the second thing that's important is this,
Harris,
they said.
. Any sort of water surface Rep Of in fact commonsense idea of
Yes.
dynamics of the system will change.
melting which is already quite extensive and therefore the
going to have to work against I see my thing on the whole the deep
detailed work to figure out how those tiny variations in the
which is a vast area in the catchment of Tottenham life here and
it's true that one,
accelerating.
I do this comes back to that.
these is ideal for that sort of survey.
learned in the last 2 decades that near these crowning line
we had a very sense the gravity money before long we mention my
You know my fixed gaze and then having to follow through their and
but in fact merely hosting the 3 level with pregnant fall
We also have some magnetometers to try and figure out what sort of
far down that is bedrock company we've known.
So we don't see the bottom of an icy so we only 3 the bedrock
speeding up,
There's a lot of uncertainty about what will happen on Antarctica
were pretty dramatic in terms of sea level rise 20,000 years ago
which is actually slightly fresh link the Antarctic coastal
melting going on there.
of the top of the person says that this already some considerable
You're going to do something to change the whole balance of forces
as the world climate changes.
increase some nice discharge from Antarctica.
Is that correct and what would that continent look like without
neighboring ourself called the Moscow University herself and the
it's 2 miles thick and in particular,
but if you people are taking this very seriously.
comes from the Arctic Roland Warren.
when was great Hemisphere ice sheets and decayed but certainly
strength of work or gravity can be translated into what death of
particularly from Antarctic ever trauma.
me open ocean to the charity and this includes a previously
forces towards the Mars and eventually there comes a point where
they've only been a few idealized computer simulations trying to
It's likely that this is an extremely thing to be part of of the
glaciers melt.
that's these apply I'd be a little surprised if it was actually
see right through to the base for the iPhone and can even see lot
I think you into countenance does provide a little bit of a
of efforts and because of the immense scrutiny.
talking about a transition point that's probably a mile below sea
of internal structure through the life as well.
If you like another channel,
and Gracie actually starts to to go afloat whenever we just a
the ocean.
particularly in some configurations of the bedrock these grounding
could do was say this additional contribution would not exceed
the grounding line,
meant he was such a such a probability percentage but when it came
what we think is one of the controllers of Chinese in the ICC and
The the the melting even is grounding aren't these 10s of meters
so it's only important and it's important in terms of what we,
ocean,
but with changing the composition of the atmosphere,
Yeah,
past times what do you think about all that.
Cape Horn and he can talk,
snowfall that it's not really clear that that can dominate the
of,
said that turned out because I feel even sicker than we thought in
Quote it is plausible that even if the Earth's average temperature
recent years and have a few years,
around Antarctica and Greenland may actually go down as the
One of the flotation line,
and so he's corrective driver for changing climate is no longer be
He is the sea surface around the ice sheets and so it work,
but it's certainly anything parking.
one has to be careful about he was financial planners tell you
seafloor off the coast.
really hard problem because given look I shelf it's floating.
really,
near the surface and very slowly.
in that reduces its attraction and a bit of a surprise intuition
And Lori tab and also talked about the irony that sea levels
You know,
level rise and I'm not sure of that anybody's total all I have.
erosion but because beginning Feb.
Rulon C Warner Rowland,
The real wildcard when we think about the impact of Antarctic
melting of ourselves and it's changing the follow.
circulated to weigh up all the continental shelf and kind of
To spend a lot of talk between scientists about the importance of
can we expect any measurable sea level rise from the Tartan
to the coast of of the aurora based around the world so called
heard contacted us can radio an equal shot of Darfur and that's
We now know that it's possible to get water in there and dynamics
convinced that we removed all the are with that,
Ground a life behind used to working out is the warm ocean water
character and actually underlying the ICC most importantly for
Because the of us you know crisis dream that forms the life here
which is certainly not going to happen any time soon,
you know shit,
increasing and at a faster rate.
Obviously it's very maybe 140 knots,
perhaps in the fantastic haunts.
Yes,
if the it image arises.
upstream.
level.
part the performance is guaranteed a future performance,
So it's not just a matter of bringing more iced up to her.
Welshman cavities underneath ourselves and indeed to map the
most serious finding is that there are some deepwater channel that
the way that works is that will be crucial question for getting
we might get that much from Antarctic melting alone plus what
in those places where there out like have been observed to be
Is it just the ice shelves or is ice loss from Antarctica
one of the hot spots where they definitely ice loss in terms of
what if you're losing what sort of advice billions of tons a life
you get 2 meters or 3 meters of sea level rise from Antarctica
what is that.
ice and water a raucous directly below your 5 track so I right I
So I think that the changing dynamic response is going to be quite
that in North America,
he said.
snowfall on Antarctica may actually increase with climate change.
We don't really know in detail how future climate high increase
of the worst that can happen is they might eventually old me on,
by by any swimmers stand I'm very close to freezing.
from above,
isn't it.
bit for it to carry a lot of heat campaign turns away he can be
melting I've just gone through a paper by lead author Fernando
you know several tenths of a meter cover the everywhere from you
around them towards them.
Right.
over weapons from listen carefully calibrated on for me in terms
The Grammy moments probably really more bizarre and it is winnable
you know,
entwined.
In fact,
the ice sheet is not protected by by being on the ground and
Northwest.
don't want to really high shelves and then by weakening ourselves
sort of exhilaration the life and we've already seen.
And if you know the story ideas or thoughts on something you've
put this in.
Of course with what they think might happen under a whole range of
And given that the water was doing that and they'll think it still
climate system.
or a hot interview with proper garden wizard Marjorie Wilde is
non-scientist Dr. awarded to understand is the prediction that
That's a sufficient gravitational attraction to pull the ocean
Yeah,
we're talking at least in centuries.
Shelf,
it's interesting that in some ways and they they do fit being
on the I'm this is almost about as far south as you can actually
marine sectors of Antarctic ice sheet if initiated could make fee
It's been dropping by maybe Vermeer and a half per year.
and and they'll it's not possible that the grounding itself will
In fact the FTSE service mission with precision from space shows
the height and ice shelves and so they've been able to conclude
this is,
migrate inland reducing the 5 on the ground and the high street
because obviously so far the Antarctic,
actually worryingly the from space.
carried by changes in air temperature.
they level contributions from the itself.
And that may be partly due to slowly fighting other thing.
Well,
inside it's looking pretty recently insightful from both us anyway
Well,
actually work against Antarctic ice sheet melting and he goes on
I'm eager think in that some of the studies the need.
commences and I should say that it's again something we've only
From the of these on hold in Antarctica,
which has tended to have an influence on on Antarctic climate but
I see.
would depend on whether you had factored in this compensating
it's not that the warming air temperatures going to melt he sings
and nearby streets.
northerly parts of Antarctica where temperature and from a mill
to say that that past a records may not tell us a lot because
all along we've talked about West Antarctica and East Antarctica
know 20cm to the best part of a meter.
one of the scientists Lori pad been expressed.
The IPCC hands they do put a lot of effort into qualifying.
it's so shocking if would rearrange civilization altogether if we
going to be that the biggest influence on Antarctic trying.
but level rise would be,
Yeah,
Antarctica in terms of this very deep bedrock well below sea level
but by virtue of currents and the topography of them Continental
that that idea down here only.
he's already warming and you've only got to warm water a little
matter of a few weeks of a few ourselves in the Antarctic
to Antarctica they they finally had to give up on that,
which is what the reasons we have interested but so in terms of
observation for growing putting the icing on on the sky often
This comes out why the overall effect that you put that all into
And even that may help speed glacier movement to the sea.
it's very clearly losing harness and there's pretty good evidence
level rise substantially above the unlikely range the best they
but you can actually seeing Greenland the seasonal arrival of the
I think that 30 increased melting of ourselves.
suddenly the possibility of wish and driven melting the UMP
but clearly warmer air can hold more moisture and everybody does
So this really is the most uncertain contribution towards her long
at some distance around Antarctica do manage,
However,
because it tells you something like 60 millions feeling harassed,
Apollo titled volume loss from Antarctic ice shelves is
changes in West Antarctica,
the high street and in fact they are when they see the biggest
but I think the Democratic response really driven by the ocean is
You're listening to shock radio before the world and.
You know it.
I think we certainly expect that the most think is not yet
telling us that the eye soothing cinnamon falling off or by
where we know that when the warm ocean currents circulate normally
in the Antarctic Peninsula.
playing a big role in the rather dramatic disintegration over the
It's hard for people to understand that it's,
Because,
one of that sort of analysis to Antarctica on Greenland.
particularly because some of the areas further but changing the
the key question was sea level rises always when and we discussed
job in trying to improve our understanding about what's happening
which it means that those who level rises more than you might have
eventually get that much but as you say,
doing a relic later is falling.
that ice shelves are certainly on the whole it so they're losing
be in a better position to sort out influence in that process of
Can you talk to us about that please.
factors.
few years showing that these ice shelves of getting home and I'm
You can actually seeing this actually isn't very much is at the
Antarctica.
the current response.
No,
Before you actually bumping into Antarctica and you know it's
in the,
seasonal variations,
And in particular the vast method ice on these grounds.
Yeah,
Modulated by all sorts of things like currents and winds of other
some scientists including the Intergovernmental Panel on climate
term 3 level prediction things like a federal expansion of the
channels can anything that out towards the new some of that is a
ocean pretty well on the controlling terms,
go towards the interior of the ice sheet and so there is a
the new mines to come into all the here and certainly here so that
recall that's available actually heavenly.
This is Radio Eco shock were talking with Australian Antarctic
receiving the sort of squandering warming that's been so dramatic
increases effect on ocean currents around Antarctica might
Antarctica will add to the world's oceans during this century.
possibility.
graces of often fairly hard to do at least and I thought we were
for that rate of losses XL or anything that comes from the direct
if you like,
Well,
I mean last century.
sort of,
It's only warmer air temperatures will generate some higher
And in fact this part of the marine instability there is a
there is really nothing putting feel right away in the bank and it
itself accelerates the 4 out of the ocean.
he said.
we might see phenomenal wing of recognize from what we presently 3
Yes the,
initiate the citizenry nicely collapse it.
it is you know finally unforgiving question the contribution,
What they mean by being uncertain about something and you know you
spot.
the Milinkevich the so called ice age cycle I do those changes
We will increase and part seems studies that suggest that that
And this generates an an up slope in.
very little change may be some slight overall increase,
expected far away from you know I think there are some estimates
high and that's so hard to see who we can avoid conveying that
a thousand years to establish some new equilibrium then with do
, coming up with numbers of the regardless comforted by also have
the observational evidence we have fallen further Oval Office the
realizing as we discussed earlier is these parts of East
can go and look at their tables and if they say very likely there
you know,
overall it is Antarctica,
most practically at the moment in the area of of Antarctica and so
The story.
We can tell that within topic is where currently mostly action is
although this area around the Tottenham place is one of the hot
expert Dr. Roland Warner another complication difficult for
several tents ultimately tire during the 21st century now for be
Back on them.
So,
this is quite amazing it another one of these obvious in hindsight
others think that's a very conservative estimate,
expect that that's not fault when Antarctica.
these variations.
change suggest total sea level rise by 2100 may only be one meter
Don't forget,
there with it.
we don't,
without weighing flight increases a whole stability in East
and now that we've gone an improved picture of what the state
just keep on going and it will continue to retrieve and you
and while I think that everybody collapse of these so called
but do we have enough science yet to really know how much
for the paradigm for this.
going on there,
stabilizer to to grabbing line retreat if 3 we will media actually
losing mass staying the same or gaining ice mass.
the global 3 level,
to what for the phone global warming practical trajectory we we
Right now,
considerably more and in fact,
Right will be that we just had,
they've done enough on bedrock profiling there again using his
high penetrating radar system to say they can't see any obvious.
20 years ago so that you know if you think it's going to take out
I'm Alex Smith get all their website shock.org.
fall of the ice surface,
I should just say there's the bad news consequence of local effect
explore how the ocean circulation moves underneath my shelves and
happening in these 2 halves compared to each other.
find was.
What do you think.
the response of the forcing and perhaps in East Antarctica in the
to come up.
Are there any generalizations you can give us about what is
you might get 25% more than global average the level but when
matters.
seeing these these biggest changes and it is one of the places
continue to lose a life until you finally managed to heavy rice
I think the renewed last year so we there so that they'll stall
that's,
In general terms and global sea level rise the IPCC is as you say
Dr. Warner are we able to say whether in total Antarctica is
prospect of if the grounding line is starting to move inland it'll
part of in times of system model,
But what will have to go somewhere.
and I think what's happening in this I'm I'm simply region with a
I think that for various different climate warming scenario now
we'll be doing more so they work with area geophysical surveys
as though they were almost separate parts of the puzzle.
that is ice breaker to the front of the Tottenham away if you know
the,
This is rather uncertain and the prospect is good you can keep on
get some maintenance and so we do know that the warm water is
we need to topple assistance together eventually that will become
you an opinion about how much of the response might vary according
things on the surface of these ice shelves is actually certainly
in fact,
it's quite impressive.
previously thought they could well be that it's simply a matter of
this a little bit,
below,
If you were a 15th century make you probably writing here be
the problem remains a major interest for us,
and we know what's some of these part of Antarctica.
described as if they were 2 different worlds,
disappearance of ice from space either by seeing the change in the
and ecosystems Cooperative Research Centre has on the go.
I mean it's actually that their annual cycle quite visible,
with oceanographic instruments that were deployed by drilling
is a resort.
with what we think of the most pressing issues even part of the
Neil anchor points that would stop further retreat,
scene Greenland in Antarctica,
on in the Pacific Ocean,
The talking from space.
but it's also not a useful you know in member.
big dumps of snow that come in the winter and the great a loss of
That's certainly what we're seeing,
From Hobart Tasmania.
lot more like West Antarctica in terms of its setting people
The experts think that in maybe another year of observations will
So we got a useful worst case scenario,
It is likely to be enough.
We are back after the online grow your own food summit with the
starts to get involved in it,
Temperatures are still well although for you think that that we're
homely namely myself this is extent I think biggest ice shelf in
panics is it necessary to have everybody in your family on board
with this prep gardening style right from the get-go.
still to come.
to his that is a lot of life there we finally passed on the fact
found ourselves on.
you know the risk for me,
sheep catch itself on some bedrock features and so on the state of
effect on of high rates of snowfall in Antarctica,
a snack bar,
ecosystem area and so we have a major overarching projects on this
certainly an important compensating effect,
instruments in the ocean underneath enormous find out what's
can take understood however that you start to flow back so it's
So it's,
Peninsula.
Heisman tactics because we can actually directly made the
particularly in snowfall,
It's still going to be very cold,
the power of our ocean water.
Alaska have retreat process.
Yeah,
Mars.
couple of them being places they like white guys here is they feel
, and just this time January where they did actually verify the
still a few places,
we,
over the summer,
you know,
Yes I think NASA so came out and said that the process is
but we ended up going with this,
we don't have a thousand kilometers long and,
the effect all of warmer air temperature at least in the more
channels by which water is gonna make its way onto the ice.
it's at the hotter ocean reaching in is going to weaken them from
Centre Dr. Roland.
you know if I think there is things are not quite clear because
for my husband and my and that's the reason they like it is,
it,
This seems to be 2 separate worlds.
You know,
Well,
what we,
feet wide and it has 150 gallon fish tank and you know I had
unstoppable.
Australia's Antarctic climate and ecosystems Cooperative Research
Yeah,
If I.
it's actually 2 biggest unknown in trying to predict what sea
West Antarctica.
is is being filming.
You know the plants just grew better the fish created the waste
underneath the problem looks like,
We've been talking about tonight.
world in some warmer started.
There's been a blatant.
Last week,
level to expect and in fact the IPCC felt they couldn't even give
Fantastic areas that's the place with his most consistent I floss
So what sort of year they were centuries.
get back and try to maybe had its with a little bit more benefit
truly sustainable agriculture have you experimented with the food
first time anybody's got this for the coming crop of Tottenham.
food.
They do require energy.
Antarctica is 3rd largest myself and we've had field program there
producing for 5 to 10 years.
ground and I behind with the ocean because on as if your melting
but has currently started so when the IPCC said market get more
unlike Social Security,
the electrical grid which is another reason we had avoided it
future,
Tell us about your Aqua panic set up what have you done there.
So what we trying to do is create systems like that and then they
in.
ocean driven election of the Antarctic ice and Billy always
that talking on the phone.
turning you know you're so that will often with Antarctic it
We don't need and then they they find what they can you know the
exploring them prices a bedrock and Antarctica we're used to be
Well,
I actually I wasn't Central Texas and my homestead,
I guess the better just get a deeper and deeper and deeper as you
to be able to grow having your own food in a backyard cyberspace
that I see is sitting on this this well below sea level rock.
there's lot cherry tomatoes that grows so well in the summertime.
and I go forward talent and so far it seems to be working very
But once you get them established they're much much less work than
but people I convinced that you know cutting observations longer
work at just being published.
garden.
That's a very good practice we rely very heavily on 2 dogs to do a
where you grow your food in the way you operate your homestead
that's it.
just you know go and do what they do anyway with growing your own
which we hope to get to where it.
I'd say that the vast.
will allow us through to sort out trends without the confusion of
I'm Alex Smith reporting for Radio Eco.
experiments.
that's why food Forrester such and it's it's a real retirement
When I was doing part time firming in eastern Canada.
It used to be a penny bugs and you'd have them go through the rows
They have a reluctant spouse or reluctant children and so they
Ingrid down or open that sustainability type of situation,
So that work will be continuing and we've also got film programs
Well,
with.
harvesting.
Pack I just 5 permanent captain was brave enough to try only and
Let's talk about prepping for past side built 2 big raised their
they are right,
but will be going back dramas again and the big step forward is to
that will said the plants and and it worked really well,
scraps from when we do butchering and then they offered just get
giving and they could keep on giving even if we stabilize the
so they don't really require a lot of input and they do a lot of
it does need a little bit more monitoring like that,
it's quite serious on their own and the other thing about and how
and things like that which actually ended up being the attraction
the,
Well,
organizer Marjorie while Kraft Marjorie remind us just once again
As I'm not a huge proponent of that and fermentation also as
One of the other complications several areas west Antarctica is
No,
through nearly a thousand meters of of ice shelf and appalling
creatures that are gonna eat out of your garden.
Naturally they don't need to be irrigated and they often you know
but one of the Dodgers' even really good at spotting overhead
could catch up to our canning and drying I like adding a
It was protected from extremes of heat and cold.
which we never really know if that's come along.
things are happening on Holmgren Earth's lower scale,
You know it's canvas often closest Amin away but it is tricky and
ones out there and it has worked really really well now we do tend
The idea of a food forces you create an area that mimics nature in
civil rights and we can't really quantify it if we start to
initially we were initially always developing our systems for
we still don't have had detailed bedrock there but sadly the map
always initially avoided alcoholics because it's a little bit high
But we,
also how the resulting water affects the external,
it did work.
fermentation as well as the health benefits turns up at that
if you've got some really tasty food out there.
protected from the wind.
favorite.
there was an area where they were,
that's that's a lot of work to manage a couple of caterer this you
So a good fence around your garden is just a reality.
State University created this model there's there's lots of other
But for the rest we always planned a little extra for all the
fermented foods really help your gut bacteria and help you to
Do you.
It'll make can all must be out there in your yard treating it like
What about you.
tech you know it's going to involve motor motors and pumps and and
the insects then you wanna kick'em
store to plant a small orchard right now.
within it.
I have no idea what they were,
for and by the way,
it almost sounds like we're trying to discover some things about
I should say time Damon Green down from them.
immediately that my plants are stressed and they need some
talking exploration and we would gather that stay there in an
the times when we had a wet period that is definitely a technique
you know,
It's possible always seeing the first stages and already.
Part of the whole planet without them person,
handle the heavy work,
which is a the lapels,
That's going to be a.
problems for more than golfers.
One of the realities of having beautiful food source like that as
But we're working on it.
Those kids will be out there playing with it and that's one way to
What do you think.
You know it's a mile deep beneath the ice,
You know he arrives and what was living in,
actually arriving there at the front of the charity and with this
I really appreciate it.
the bottom of changing geometry of that that changes were talking
hear from gardeners all over the world.
One example was one time my sweet potato showed up with these
annual gardens.
we,
one of the best ways to get them on board is when you're
it's.
University of Texas in Austin we now think that we can the
dragons vigorous,
You know activities range from voyages with we had a voyage where
we've built one and I believe it's like 30 feet long by about 12
they were and alien Beatles.
maybe 2 ground based survey the of whole previous 50 years I had
little bit more watching for example that pump goes out your fish
there are times when we got so much food more that we could give
you know I mean anybody even hardly an example Leslie Leslie
Please tell us about a couple of projects the Antarctic climate
While it does try.
only have so long before they're gonna need oxygen and and die so
block that prevents them in their own minds from getting going on
Yeah warranties real gem we've had on radio shock and I still
You know,
for the poor on preserving food that's a very useful.
grain.
nutrition content of the food you're eating.
large part of the protection from the predators here,
No,
digest a lot better.
Thank you so much for sharing your time with us.
videos your best selling grow your own groceries course that you
You know what hearing you talk,
It's amazing that we're finding out as much as we do.
Personally,
actually going on in these rather the inaccessible parts of the
we've already been doing most circulation more studies to try and
Arc upon access tomorrow.
there they drop their leaves their self marching you know they
8-hour flight and Soviet with further citing it in there were
Well,
it's a,
physical health much longer but eventually we may not be able to
they will scratch about so aren't that after all your YouTube
face.
We've been talking with Dr. Roland C Warner he's a researcher with
We had the couple of acres,
you talked about getting her husband and son on board with aqua
I do too.
The only chemical are used as wrote known it's made from ground-up
technical as you say I I've been avoiding it so far.
them to everybody really I feel Alex this solution is gonna come
doing Iacocca where have no no no,
Isn't it strange.
toward us there more investment in time getting up and started
it's very difficult to peer around,
growing their own groceries.
and medicine.
there's still some production of food and animals and wildlife
Majority of of people who will consider themselves peppers.
one thing is to have a more first.
I would say though,
that's probably one of the things you're most Hungarian for in
start coupling the dynamics of the ice shelves the flow of the
that's a whole library of documents to support it and I,
some way and if you look at the forest.
He's a rock star okay with with that then and I just doesn't have
bottom to keep both the morals of seem to love by rich garden soil
You know you're gonna be needing some solar power wind power or
by the way at the homegrown food summit.
planet.
I don't see them very much because I give them the butchering
Center dedicated to finding systems and developing systems for you
You know,
heads out of some years lumber but I put a wire lying on the
try to get them,
seasons those sugar snap peas are delicious were strawberries.
Marjorie while Kraft have become kind of a,
as you did with personal food growing and I could also call that
are nearby and I find them invaluable they they work all night
know in your later years.
and then they dump out bugs in the account and then you pay them
your life.
what is a food for us.
we don't know a lot of things it.
out of the garden because then they'll start scratching up the
feedback to her.
back home on each flight there,
Exactly,
plan,
and every plant in there is edible or medicine or beneficial in
We have one presentation by Kendra Lynn who'll be showing you how
we thought that if I cap survey come Casey staging of us and say
I I have to say that it is definitely easier to grow food in the
and here's the gardening method that years because this is the
but on the other hand,
squash she's come up with a couple of varieties that are resistant
Those kids will be out there fighting forum and in the cooler
machinery go I can do it and we also have already Hamann is going
experimenting with using castor beans as a mole repellent and of
Whether you like it or not.
and less than an hour a day pretty tall order.
Things that they're discovering in there that that they're
What would you say the number one concern people razor or the
she's publishing that work on our our blog and making it available
They have really good rich soil will help reduce your insect
rest of your pricing ads.
liquid seaweed or some homemade compost or something.
I think most people think that it's gonna be a lot of work and
it's all about,
Our first year of experiments are all that way it does require a
you know to 2 videos that they chose you all those components and
look at this is the size.
because a lot of your fruit and nut trees are not gonna start
roots of a South American plant and Robert rodeo used it I had to
So a real retirement plan is going to be to play at the food for
We've been talking with Marjorie while craft of grow your own
What I would recommend is just get started and the family actually
bestseller,
grow food other places that are doing that are starting to become
get them involved with it without it even being proper saying
and squash is such a good important calorie crop.
I don't even impressed with those systems.
but I found that that model even worked well during the summer's
it's a good system.
It's a lot easier to just harvest apples and it is to be planting
away trade even that we needed to freeze some at least until we
to do water about caning and how to do pressure canning and what I
I can give you some of the best vegetables to grow for kids.
you know,
insects first but I watch them innocent of their gun getting all
That's one of the most delightful times especially with kids I got
blog published Wednesday that it shock.info or listen to the sound
doing all the work of the annual garden.
of the squash vine borer which is a horrible problem for people
You know it's strange a start following your heart into something
and colored foil on the top of that to keep the deer from jumping
dehydration they don't depend on the grid staying up.
And then we have a whole article on how to channel rabbit hides
beetle.
. And in the garden things take 2 to 3 months to mature.
It's also were also such an instant gratification such high if it
they mostly sleep all day.
check out her blog once a week and it's important to keep up with
is a pretty big block.
you've got the strength and energy to have that going and then you
learning and we're very excited about that and want to develop
It's actually still we we controlled by the big companies.
well in fact Castro used to be known as as no go for plant.
that further well actually creating also a network of places just
Here's the water tanks were set up to catch rainwater and oh by
know we all need to be used as much organic processors as possible
Farmers around here used to throw their pitches up on a Hot Tin
You talked about not needing refrigeration or freezers that we
normally when I see an insect outbreak like that I think
bigger catcher rabbit here and there,
It's really,
and the trees,
really valuable research on of a crop that's resistant to the
foot garden and so she's been doing all these experiments were
a one-woman movement on your own.
It was almost what by chrome shell.
is it too soon to tell.
it's kinda hard.
use it for the Colorado potato beetle if you have a big planning a
But in the short term immediate what I do that.
We all know gardening can help seniors maintain their mental and
Well I love food for us and I have to say this is my particular
I'm Alex Smith reporting for Radio Eco Shah.
She's very passionate about Squire should about 2 hundred square
Do you have one.
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it really is easier and part of that here in Central Texas it was
you are going to need to have some fencing or some protection from
Well,
I have a big problem that we have a lot of sand here and I've been
the classic thing was something like a couple of acres of potatoes
that you plant trees and bushes and vines and honorable way errors
A 4th does not need any tending right you go to a pristine forest
that one of my goals is to build a solar dryer.
nutrients you know some some some sort of nutrient thing and I'll
Roof on one of their shepherds and solar dried them that way and
of coming up with real solutions for you to create your own food
that you could do this,
Let's talk about perma culture that's another major contender for
you can get their systems up and running in about 6 months and be
how can we set up a garden to keep going with very little effort.
could just munch away through the fresh food season but I have to
Unfortunately our own government.
And you really need to keep this out of the garden right and
Way to grow food.
So some of these techniques are actually I can help increase the
I'd love to do it now Marjorie what will your next project be or
that we'll be able to use those effectively or you know we've got
Well,
personal liberty,
5 different PDF different ways to compost fertility so important.
as some people have a fear of those big pressure because they are
they've learned how to manage the water that comes to them.
It is it,
and Marjorie recently organized the biggest online summit
we're looking at doing some stuff in partnership with Mike Adams
strange looking little beetles that had a shiny.
dedicated to growing homegrown food I'll be putting links to all
admit,
On rare occasions I do.
This way,
garden.
the way we overbuilt it it was a huge mistake.
I do,
I'm a locksmith.
a garden and here's another place we started a garden and these
of the natural news and possibly working on some developing some
Could still work today if it gets a neighborhood kids going well
squirrels or rabbits.
one,
You know,
to be doing a whole thing on how to how to preserve food by
Other people are trying it and duplicating our work and getting
most efficient one and I've tried all these other ones,
and here's my flock of chickens and here's the reason I have'em
is to pay the kids.
I talk about you know butchering a rabbit.
potatoes.
our about 7 feet high and then we dangle little pieces of cloth
aerial hawks and Barking and letting everybody know when the Hawks
. What else can we do to encourage passed to stay out of the
everything else that loves to eat your food like raccoons or
Alex.
There's no longer a concern about they've built them there now
and by individuals and neighbors working together and that's the
This is gonna be a problem that can only be solved by you and me
We do I used a model based on its side believe it's Appalachian
the USDA is not here to help us.
you know I just take you and show you everything that I go through
work.
We've done.
we haven't yet figured that out.
like,
But here's where we put our other garden and this is working,
whatever table scraps.
year.
whole reason for for what I do is working at this grassroots level
We don't know and we have a very active network of people they
network together and sharing results and making it available to
these big intimidating things and there's the stories of them
love about it is,
Monsanto is not here to help us,
to be a bit drier here in Texas,
shark.org.
There's a lot on the table,
how to how to build one.
last week.
Well,
So that's what it's,
there's no way to squash all those bugs by hand.
blowing up and stuff,
She has done really,
producing half your own food in less than an hour a day by next
Thank you for listening and I hope we will get together again next
that used to be the he to get rid of the goods but Colorado potato
it's basically like me taken you by the hand and taking you
like our place where we're doing research on different ways to
take my son can with barbed work on a guitar and look at the Xbox
they're not going to get much production out of it.
But when you see Kendra.
but this is the one that I really like and here's where I keep the
contribute.
Parsons works still works full time and she only has a small
So you know she's only doing this part time in a 200ft² garden.
another as another method of food storage,
right.
Who is this flight and beautiful woman just handling that
The chickens in there and chickens are naturally insect they love
it's only a review as about this week.
Now let me ask you do you let chickens interior garden.
This is how it's gonna happen.
and like in 5 minutes.
from you and for me and from,
then again that library the resource library.
home-grown food summit and watch that presentation I have on how
to grow half year on food in your backyard in less than an hour a
Well know said it's it's 2 DVDs and then it includes a CD-ROM
Take a look at that and say you know that'll really inspire you do
groceries.com her DVD Guide to Growing in your own backyard is a
you know.
her free YouTube videos and growing your own food a really popular
you do with all the parts of those animals.
to other people and creating a whole discussion about it now.
Thank you so much for helping all of us.
ND and in even the maturing process viewers how you,
are the reasons why those gardens totally sucked in failed.
We've got a whole,
outweigh their fertility can help me and it's real simple and easy
to do this.
Don't forget to follow up on links for this week show in my weekly
here's my orchard and all the experiments with the trees.
we've got a lot of irons in the fire and after this summit,
I want to take your DVD course what's in it and why does it cost.
then you teacher communicate you connect a normal suddenly you
Thanks for having they are.
through my homestead here and showing you how I grow food and I'm
I really appreciate it.
card page had sown cloud.com/Radio Eco shock.
So it's adjusting to life style that's actually more human scale
day.
rabbits and I put them right here next to the garden because
squash vine borer which is hugely important to the rest of us
it's a grow your own groceries.com and its$37
Please don't make it this big and then he a place where we started
like this and here's the dogs and oh,
you know I don't also developing that network of research
That's it.
for the 4th but I tell you what I'd really recommend you go to the
So you know I talk about a rainwater collection system.
programs to get local food into schools.
but your rabbit and here's how you butchered chicken India is what
I'm dropping my own garden right now with raised beds,
And this is why these died in of lived in,
we're going to look at what will have the most impact,
to be able to have more home-grown food on every table,
15 years ago our view to told me what I will girl what I'd be
or you know you know life is amazing adventures a.
We have a whole rainwater collection system e-book in their own
mulch all around.
organizations.
a better compost bin nets for the raspberries and 80 inches of
of that in my shell blog equal shot.info Marjorie.
Well,