let's welcome wookey

he's talking about infrastructure updates

and whether we can change anything in less than two years

i hope so

wookie: ok, can everybody hear me?

well, so, thank you for coming back after dinner not just going back to the pub

i'm impressed by your enthusiasm

so, yes

we have this interesting problem

that it's quite hard to change things quickly in Debian

now we already knew that

but i just want to talk a little bit about

some experience i've had in

last few years trying to change a particular thing

which has not gone particularly well

i would love to think we could have been a bit better

so i really do want to talk about the general problem here of

the way our infrastructure work and how if we miss a stable release

that can be a real problem

but i shall use this example

of build profiles just because that's happened recently

and i think it illustrates the point

or at least some points

I'd very much like to discuss things rather than blither on for too long

so I try not to blither on for too long

so

just to clarfiy

in case anybody is not clear

all of our infrastructure basically runs on stable

there are a few exceptions to that

for practical reasons

so if it is not in stable, you cannot use it in the infrastructure

so there are ??