WEBVTT 00:00:01.550 --> 00:00:04.656 Foodie culture is obsessed with authenticity. 00:00:04.656 --> 00:00:06.738 But when we get Moroccan honey, 00:00:06.738 --> 00:00:08.360 San Marzano tomatoes, 00:00:08.360 --> 00:00:10.076 that means shipping food, 00:00:10.076 --> 00:00:11.152 carbon emissions, 00:00:11.152 --> 00:00:12.410 plenty of waste, 00:00:12.410 --> 00:00:14.089 and excess packaging 00:00:14.089 --> 00:00:17.639 for food that, sometimes, not even as fresh or as delicious. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:17.639 --> 00:00:21.009 Adding COVID-19, and you have a whole new problem: 00:00:21.009 --> 00:00:22.391 frozen supply chains 00:00:22.391 --> 00:00:24.348 or closed borders. 00:00:24.348 --> 00:00:28.085 That's changing how we eat and forcing us to also look at what's local. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:28.085 --> 00:00:31.079 Some countries, like Russia, have a lot of experience with this. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:32.165 --> 00:00:34.458 MADE IN RUSSIA NOTE Paragraph 00:00:36.285 --> 00:00:39.191 (Alec) Jay Klouz has been a nightclub promoter in Spain, 00:00:39.191 --> 00:00:41.075 a tour boat owner in France, 00:00:41.075 --> 00:00:43.239 and a celebrity chef in Australia. 00:00:44.144 --> 00:00:46.269 Now, the American lives in Russia 00:00:46.269 --> 00:00:48.365 where he's added cheesemaker to the list. NOTE Paragraph 00:00:49.054 --> 00:00:52.082 (Klouz) Every person has a different hand, 00:00:52.082 --> 00:00:54.050 and this hand makes cheese. 00:00:54.050 --> 00:00:55.546 You could be more aggressive, 00:00:55.546 --> 00:00:57.103 and you'll have another cheese. 00:00:57.103 --> 00:00:58.274 You could be more careful, 00:00:58.274 --> 00:00:59.664 and you'll have another cheese. 00:00:59.664 --> 00:01:02.245 You can even be half a degree higher, 00:01:02.245 --> 00:01:04.166 and you'll have another cheese. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:04.166 --> 00:01:07.208 (Alec) Klouz uses local ingredients to make European favorites 00:01:07.208 --> 00:01:09.718 like feta, gouda, and ricotta. 00:01:09.718 --> 00:01:13.805 Flavors that began to make their way here after the fall of the Soviet Union. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:16.366 --> 00:01:19.320 (Alec) So, I grew up in Wisconsin, 00:01:19.320 --> 00:01:24.130 and we've always had cheddar, pepper jack, all sorts of-- 00:01:24.130 --> 00:01:26.190 you know, real sharp cheeses. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:26.190 --> 00:01:27.048 Love this stuff. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:27.048 --> 00:01:28.571 And then I came to Russia, 00:01:28.571 --> 00:01:32.325 and it was like, cheese was white and didn't taste like anything. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:32.325 --> 00:01:33.880 Tastes like plastic. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:34.208 --> 00:01:36.711 What made you decide to start making your own cheese? NOTE Paragraph 00:01:36.711 --> 00:01:40.126 You know, one thing you learn in Russia, the winters are rough. 00:01:40.126 --> 00:01:42.190 The Russians prepare for winter 00:01:42.190 --> 00:01:46.122 so, being prepared means, also eating good stuff. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:48.570 --> 00:01:51.809 (Alec) For years, Russia imported as much cheese as it produced 00:01:51.809 --> 00:01:54.217 until 2014. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:56.067 --> 00:01:57.920 Russia annexed Crimea. NOTE Paragraph 00:01:58.206 --> 00:02:01.842 The US and the EU slap sanctions on Russia, 00:02:01.842 --> 00:02:05.827 and President Putin responded by banning food imports from those countries. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:07.451 --> 00:02:10.965 Cheesemakers like Klouz saw sales go way up. 00:02:10.965 --> 00:02:13.901 Russian production increased by at least 50%. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:14.301 --> 00:02:16.489 line:1 (Klouz) Please don't forget to return my spoon. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:16.489 --> 00:02:18.308 line:1 (Sofia) Yes, return the spoon. Thanks. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:19.249 --> 00:02:24.991 line:1 After Russia stopped purchasing cheeses abroad, 00:02:24.991 --> 00:02:28.280 line:1 the cheese market changed a lot. 00:02:28.843 --> 00:02:30.277 line:1 So we started buying here. 00:02:30.277 --> 00:02:35.564 line:1 We are very satisfied with the price and quality. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:36.906 --> 00:02:39.861 (Alec) And how have the current sanctions changed the industry? NOTE Paragraph 00:02:39.861 --> 00:02:43.817 (Klouz) With the sanctions there's more interest in the people making cheese. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:43.817 --> 00:02:46.142 Like, "Oh, we don't need you, we have Jay." NOTE Paragraph 00:02:46.142 --> 00:02:47.341 I'm like, "Yeah, right." 00:02:47.341 --> 00:02:49.793 Fifty kilos a day, how am I going to feed Russians? NOTE Paragraph 00:02:51.149 --> 00:02:52.369 "Jay will save us!" NOTE Paragraph 00:02:52.369 --> 00:02:54.936 I'm like, what? (laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:02:54.936 --> 00:02:56.326 People are funny here. NOTE Paragraph 00:02:59.408 --> 00:03:03.139 (Alec) But some people are more confident in local producers' ability 00:03:03.139 --> 00:03:06.657 to fill the giant cheesy hole left by the counter sanctions. 00:03:09.837 --> 00:03:13.243 Klrill Sharshukov imported Italian cheese 00:03:13.243 --> 00:03:16.562 until the food embargo forced him to start making his own. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:17.173 --> 00:03:20.832 line:1 (Sharshuko) Here we have Caciocavallo cheese. 00:03:20.832 --> 00:03:23.032 line:1 A classic Italian Caciocavallo cheese. 00:03:23.032 --> 00:03:29.889 line:1 It is fermented for about 6 to 12 months 00:03:29.889 --> 00:03:33.362 line:1 and has a specific, light taste. 00:03:33.802 --> 00:03:37.545 line:1 And here we added fenugreek seeds. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:40.553 --> 00:03:44.052 Tastes like cheese with with walnut, 00:03:44.052 --> 00:03:47.511 kind of a sweet dessert-y crunch. NOTE Paragraph 00:03:50.505 --> 00:03:53.082 line:1 It doesn't have nuts? NOTE Paragraph 00:03:53.082 --> 00:03:58.101 line:1 No, no. This doesn't have any nuts, but is has that flavor. 00:03:58.101 --> 00:04:02.272 line:1 I don't know if this is allowed on TV, 00:04:02.272 --> 00:04:04.665 line:1 but these seeds are healthy for men, apparently. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:06.001 --> 00:04:10.502 line:1 So this is delicious and healthy for me? (laughter) NOTE Paragraph 00:04:11.643 --> 00:04:12.975 (Alec) After the embargo, 00:04:12.975 --> 00:04:15.957 the government started giving out subsidies and tax breaks 00:04:15.957 --> 00:04:17.515 to boost domestic production. 00:04:18.329 --> 00:04:19.944 Something Sharshuko believes 00:04:19.944 --> 00:04:23.166 is giving Russians a chance to catch up to the world's cheesemakers. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:24.047 --> 00:04:26.983 line:1 (Sharshuko) The longer this goes on, the more experiences we have. 00:04:26.983 --> 00:04:30.779 line:1 We reproduce Italy's cheeses here, 00:04:30.779 --> 00:04:35.266 line:1 replace its classic cheeses, and produce them. 00:04:35.266 --> 00:04:38.825 line:1 So it would be very difficult to return. NOTE Paragraph 00:04:39.493 --> 00:04:42.787 (Alec) But the Russian cheese revolution isn't for everybody. 00:04:42.787 --> 00:04:46.514 Imported foods were always too expensive for most Russians. 00:04:46.514 --> 00:04:50.837 Meaning locally-made burrata will probably never be on their shopping list. 00:04:51.782 --> 00:04:53.139 And economists are skeptical 00:04:53.139 --> 00:04:55.619 that the people who could afford fancy cheese 00:04:55.619 --> 00:04:57.293 are going to see local versions 00:04:57.293 --> 00:05:00.371 as anything other than a secondary substitute. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:00.371 --> 00:05:03.954 line:1 When we imported cheese, it had quality. 00:05:03.954 --> 00:05:08.163 line:1 We, the small portion of affluent people, got used to it. 00:05:08.163 --> 00:05:10.166 line:1 When that cheese disappeared, 00:05:10.166 --> 00:05:17.223 line:1 those people stopped buying Russian copies of cheese 00:05:17.374 --> 00:05:19.347 line:1 because they don't trust the quality. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:19.574 --> 00:05:23.571 line:1 Well, I hear from the cheese producers-- 00:05:24.031 --> 00:05:25.799 line:1 Russian cheese producers-- 00:05:25.919 --> 00:05:28.419 line:1 who say sanctions have been a huge help. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:28.702 --> 00:05:33.574 line:1 Those you spoke to are very few because, as a matter of fact, 00:05:33.574 --> 00:05:36.874 line:1 90% of the Russian cheese market 00:05:37.047 --> 00:05:39.332 line:1 is mass market cheeses. NOTE Paragraph 00:05:39.501 --> 00:05:41.524 line:1 I wanted to ask what will happen 00:05:41.524 --> 00:05:47.222 line:1 to Russian cheesemakers if sanctions are lifted tomorrow? NOTE Paragraph 00:05:47.722 --> 00:05:51.754 line:1 There will be competition again for 15 to 20% 00:05:51.754 --> 00:05:55.472 line:1 of wealthy people in Russia. 00:05:55.845 --> 00:06:01.343 line:1 People who have invested in cheese production 00:06:01.746 --> 00:06:03.803 line:1 will be hit hard. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:04.978 --> 00:06:08.032 (Alec) The drive for food Independence has protected Russia 00:06:08.032 --> 00:06:11.412 from supply disruptions during the pandemic, the government says. 00:06:12.933 --> 00:06:16.218 It's also helped a fledgling, farm-to-table movement here. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:17.578 --> 00:06:19.732 line:1 - Five more minutes. - No, two and a half. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:20.649 --> 00:06:24.857 (Alec) Ivan and Sergey Berezutskly have their own farm to produce ingredients 00:06:24.857 --> 00:06:26.069 for their restaurant, 00:06:26.069 --> 00:06:30.031 which in 2019 was named one of the best in the world. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:30.251 --> 00:06:34.887 line:1 It's a simple dish: potato with caviar. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:35.751 --> 00:06:37.155 line:1 Here you are. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:38.405 --> 00:06:45.935 line:1 The majority of our guests need healthy and fresh food. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:45.935 --> 00:06:51.542 line:1 This is a development Russia and other countries have come to. NOTE Paragraph 00:06:51.542 --> 00:06:54.007 line:1 The sanctions have accelerated the process.