1 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Foodie culture is obsessed with authenticity. 2 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But when we get Moroccan honey, 3 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 San Marzano tomatoes, 4 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that means shipping food, carbon emissions, 5 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 plenty of waste and excess packaging 6 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for food that, sometimes, not even as fresh or delicious. 7 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Adding COVID-19, and you have a whole new problem. 8 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Frozen supply chains or closed borders. 9 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That's changing how we eat and forcing us to also look what's local. 10 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Some countries like Russia have a lot of experience with this. 11 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 MADE IN RUSSIA 12 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Alec) Jay Klouz has been a nightclub promoter in Spain, 13 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 a tour boat owner in France, and a celebrity chef in Australia. 14 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Now, the American lives in Russia where he's added cheesemaker to the list. 15 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Jay) Every person has a different hand and this hand makes cheese. 16 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You could be more aggressive and you'll have another cheese. 17 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You could be more careful and you'll have another cheese. 18 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You can even go half a degree higher and you'll have another cheese. 19 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Alec) Klouz uses local ingredients to make European favorites, 20 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 like feta, gouda, and ricotta. 21 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Flavors that began to make their way here after the fall of the Soviet Union. 22 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Alec) So, I grew up in Wisconsin, and we always had, you know, 23 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we had cheddar, pepper jack, all sorts of, you know, real sharp cheeses. 24 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Love this stuff. 25 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And then I came to Russia, 26 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and it was like, cheese was white and didn't taste like anything. 27 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Tastes like plastic. 28 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So, what made you decide to start making your own cheese? 29 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You know, one thing you learn in Russia, the winters are rough. 30 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The Russians prepare for winter 31 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so, being prepared means, also eating good stuff. 32 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Alec) For years, Russia imported as much cheese as it produced 33 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 until 2014. 34 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Russia annexed Crimea, 35 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the US and the EU slap sanctions on Russia, 36 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and President Putin responded by banning food imports from those countries. 37 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Cheesemakers like Klouz saw sales go way up. 38 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Russian production increased by at least 50%. 39 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - (Klouz) Please don't forget to return my spoon. - (Sofia) Yes, return the spoon. Thanks. 40 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 After Russia stopped purchasing cheeses abroad, 41 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the cheese market changed a lot. 42 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So we started buying here. 43 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We are very satisfied with the price and quality. 44 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Alec) And how have the current sanctions changed the industry? 45 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Klouz) With the sanctions there's more interest in the people making cheese. 46 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Like, "Oh, we don't need you, we have Jay." 47 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I'm like, "Yeah, right." 48 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Fifty kilos a day, how am I going to feed Russians? 49 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 "Jay will save us!", and I'm like, "What?" (laughter) 50 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 People are funny here. 51 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Alec) But some people are more confident in local producers ability 52 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to fill the giant cheesy hole left by the counter sanctions. 53 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Klrill Sharshukov imported Italian cheese 54 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 until the food embargo forced him to start making his own. 55 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Sharshuko) Here we have Caciocavallo cheese. 56 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 A classic Italian Caciocavallo cheese. 57 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It is fermented for about 6 to 12 months 58 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and has a specific, light taste. 59 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And here we added fenugreek seeds. 60 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Tastes like cheese with with walnut, kind of sweet dessert-y crunch. 61 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It doesn't have nuts? 62 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 No, no. This doesn't have any nuts, but is has that flavor. 63 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I don't know if this is allowed on TV, 64 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but these seeds are healthy for men, apparently. 65 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So this is delicious and healthy for me? (laughter) 66 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Alec) After the embargo, 67 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 the government started giving out subsidies and tax breaks 68 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to boost domestic production. 69 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Something Sharshuko believes 70 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is giving Russians a chance to catch up to the world's cheesemakers. 71 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Sharshuko) The longer this goes on, the more experiences we have. 72 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We reproduce Italy's cheeses here, 73 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 replace its classic cheeses, and produce them. 74 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So it would be very difficult to return. 75 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But the Russian cheese revolution isn't for everybody. 76 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Imported foods were always too expensive for most Russians. 77 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Meaning locally-made burrata will probably never be on their shopping list. 78 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And economists are skeptical 79 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that the people who could afford fancy cheese 80 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 are going to see local versions as anything other than a secondary substitute. 81 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 When we imported cheese, it had quality. 82 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We, the small portion of affluent people, got used to it. 83 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 When that cheese disappeared, 84 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 those people stopped buying Russian copies of cheese 85 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because they don't trust the quality. 86 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Well, I hear from the cheese producers-- 87 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Russian cheese producers-- 88 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 who say sanctions have been a huge help. 89 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Those you spoke to are very few because, as a matter of fact, 90 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 90% of the Russian cheese market 91 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is mass market cheeses. 92 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I wanted to ask what will happen 93 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to Russian cheesemakers if sanctions are lifted tomorrow? 94 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 There will be competition again for 15 to 20% 95 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 of wealthy people in Russia. 96 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 People who have invested in cheese production 97 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 will be hit hard. 98 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Alec) The drive for food Independence has protected Russia 99 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 from supply disruptions during the pandemic, the government says. 100 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's also helped a fledgling, farm-to-table movement here. 101 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 - Five more minutes. - No, two and a half. 102 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 (Alec) Ivan and Sergey Berezutskly have their own farm to produce ingredients 103 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for their restaurant, 104 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 which in 2019 was named one of the best in the world. 105 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's a simple dish: potato with caviar. 106 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Here you are. 107 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The majority of our guests need healthy and fresh food. 108 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 This is a development Russia and other countries have come to. 109 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The sanctions have accelerated the process.