WEBVTT 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Foodie culture is obsessed with authenticity. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But when we get Moroccan honey, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 San Marzano tomatoes, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that means shipping food, carbon emissions, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 plenty of waste and excess packaging 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 for food that, sometimes, not even as fresh or delicious. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Adding COVID-19, and you have a whole new problem. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Frozen supply chains or closed borders. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 That's changing how we eat and forcing us to also look what's local. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Some countries like Russia have a lot of experience with this. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 MADE IN RUSSIA 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Alec) Jay Klouz has been a nightclub promoter in Spain, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 a tour boat owner in France, and a celebrity chef in Australia. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Now, the American lives in Russia where he's added cheesemaker to the list. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Jay) Every person has a different hand and this hand makes cheese. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You could be more aggressive and you'll have another cheese. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You could be more careful and you'll have another cheese. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You can even go half a degree higher and you'll have another cheese. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Alec) Klouz uses local ingredients to make European favorites, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 like feta, gouda, and ricotta. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Flavors that began to make their way here after the fall of the Soviet Union. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Alec) So, I grew up in Wisconsin, and we always had, you know, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 we had cheddar, pepper jack, all sorts of, you know, real sharp cheeses. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Love this stuff. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And then I came to Russia, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and it was like, cheese was white and didn't taste like anything. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Tastes like plastic. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 So, what made you decide to start making your own cheese? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 You know, one thing you learn in Russia, the winters are rough. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 The Russians prepare for winter 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 so, being prepared means, also eating good stuff. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Alec) For years, Russia imported as much cheese as it produced 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 until 2014. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Russia annexed Crimea, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the US and the EU slap sanctions on Russia, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 and President Putin responded by banning food imports from those countries. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Cheesemakers like Klouz saw sales go way up. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Russian production increased by at least 50%. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 - (Klouz) Please don't forget to return my spoon. - (Sofia) Yes, return the spoon. Thanks. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 After Russia stopped purchasing cheeses abroad, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 the cheese market changed a lot. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 So we started buying here. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 We are very satisfied with the price and quality. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Alec) And how have the current sanctions changed the industry? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Klouz) With the sanctions there's more interest in the people making cheese. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Like, "Oh, we don't need you, we have Jay." 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 I'm like, yeah, right. Fifty kilos a day, how am I going to feed Russians? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 "Jay will save us!", I'm like, what? (laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 People are funny here. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Alec) But some people are more confident in local producers ability 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to fill the giant cheesy hole left by the counter sanctions. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Klrill Sharshukov imported Italian cheese 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 until the food embargo forced him to start making his own. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 (Sharshuko) Here we have Caciocavallo cheese. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 A classic Italian Caciocavallo cheese. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 It is fermented for about 6 to 12 months 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 and has a specific, light taste. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 And here we added fenugreek seeds. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Tastes like cheese with with walnut, kind of sweet dessert-y crunch. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 It doesn't have nuts? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 No, no. This doesn't have any nuts, but is has that flavor. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 I don't know if this is allowed on TV, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 but these seeds are healthy for men, apparently. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 So this is delicious and healthy for me? (laughter) 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Alec) After the embargo, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 the government started giving out subsidies and tax breaks 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 to boost domestic production. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Something Sharshuko believes 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 is giving Russians a chance to catch up to the world's cheesemakers. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 (Sharshuko) The longer this goes on, the more experiences we have. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 We reproduce Italy's cheeses here, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 replace its classic cheeses, and produce them. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 So it would be very difficult to return. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 But the Russian cheese revolution isn't for everybody. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Imported foods were always too expensive for most Russians. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 Meaning locally-made burrata will probably never be on their shopping list. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 And economists are skeptical 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 that the people who could afford fancy cheese 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 are going to see local versions as anything other than a secondary substitute. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 When we imported cheese, it had quality. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 We, the small portion of affluent people, got used to it. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 When that cheese disappeared, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 those people stopped buying Russian copies of cheese 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 because they don't trust the quality. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 Well, I hear from the cheese producers-- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 Russian cheese producers-- 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 who say sanctions have been a huge help. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 Those you spoke to are very few because, as a matter of fact, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 90% of the Russian cheese market 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 is mass market cheeses. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 I wanted to ask what will happen 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 to Russian cheesemakers if sanctions are lifted tomorrow? 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 There will be competition again for 15 to 20% 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 of wealthy people in Russia. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 People who have invested in cheese production 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 will be hit hard. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 (Alec) The drive for food Independence has protected Russia 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 from supply disruptions during the pandemic, the government says. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 It's also helped a fledgling, farm-to-table movement here. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 - Five more minutes. - No, two and a half. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 (Alec) Ivan and Sergey Berezutskly have their own farm to produce ingredients 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 for their restaurant, 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 which in 2019 was named one of the best in the world. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 It's a simple dish: potato with caviar. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 Here you are. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 The majority of our guests need healthy and fresh food. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 This is a development Russia and other countries have come to. 99:59:59.999 --> 99:59:59.999 line:1 The sanctions have accelerated the process.