WEBVTT 00:00:04.170 --> 00:00:08.120 international telecommunications and union and it's an agency of the united 00:00:08.120 --> 00:00:11.680 nations the meeting next week to negotiate a treaty on internet 00:00:11.680 --> 00:00:14.899 regulation to discuss policies ranging from cyber security 00:00:14.899 --> 00:00:16.139 online fraud 00:00:16.139 --> 00:00:19.970 but did the right script to criticize the push for so-called internet central 00:00:19.970 --> 00:00:20.839 government 00:00:20.839 --> 00:00:24.159 and insist that the international treaty that includes the influence of countries 00:00:24.159 --> 00:00:25.319 like china 00:00:25.319 --> 00:00:28.849 russia and authors could lead to greater online censorship 00:00:28.849 --> 00:00:30.359 and i to you says 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:33.969 its main objective is to increase internet access to underserved 00:00:33.969 --> 00:00:35.290 communities 00:00:35.290 --> 00:00:38.990 which sent the school be achieved through international regulations 00:00:38.990 --> 00:00:42.060 and cannot be done without harming internet freedoms 00:00:42.060 --> 00:00:46.250 we've seen leaked proposals that clearly and look at the internet that way you 00:00:46.250 --> 00:00:46.830 know that 00:00:46.830 --> 00:00:51.830 with the goal of the improving cyber security whatever that means different 00:00:51.830 --> 00:00:53.530 things different countries 00:00:53.530 --> 00:00:57.960 could limit people's privacy in by you know to be able to identify at 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:01.180 communication anywhere in the network 00:01:01.180 --> 00:01:02.570 another proposal 00:01:02.570 --> 00:01:04.879 waved limit free expression by 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:09.010 authorizing governments to shut down communication networks for you know 00:01:09.010 --> 00:01:11.250 in the name of national security 00:01:11.250 --> 00:01:15.350 from your view as someone who buys to protect civil liberties online 00:01:15.350 --> 00:01:19.110 how much of a realistic threat do you see in cyber security and cyber were and 00:01:19.110 --> 00:01:23.800 how much do you see that being used as kind of a used for booking them 00:01:23.800 --> 00:01:28.920 i think it cyber security is such a subjective concept that it's almost i 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.020 don't think it's useful 00:01:31.020 --> 00:01:33.630 really use the term 00:01:33.630 --> 00:01:36.610 that issue transparency that's coming up soon she says 00:01:36.610 --> 00:01:39.560 there's no transparency and all individual governments have tried and 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:41.780 failed and now they want to use the you win 00:01:41.780 --> 00:01:45.240 to push for their big another from muhammad who says governments will 00:01:45.240 --> 00:01:48.729 basically use censorship to their advantage crushing and suppressing all 00:01:48.729 --> 00:01:52.920 voices in well how do you respond to the critics who say that there's been a lack 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:57.520 of transparency in your process 00:01:57.520 --> 00:02:01.580 will we have that on skype outside city in a way to you at the hospital 00:02:01.580 --> 00:02:02.450 initially 00:02:02.450 --> 00:02:06.240 to have national consultations in many countries have done so and hated the 00:02:06.240 --> 00:02:12.129 press that item to send delegations that to continue to explain what data about 00:02:12.129 --> 00:02:14.680 and some conditioned on done so 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:19.329 if the country for once anyone who once information can conduct his national 00:02:19.329 --> 00:02:21.769 uh... government to get the information 00:02:21.769 --> 00:02:24.120 and that the idea of trying to get 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:27.100 all one hundred ninety six inches together 00:02:27.100 --> 00:02:27.980 to agree 00:02:27.980 --> 00:02:29.760 by consensus on 00:02:29.760 --> 00:02:34.180 policies related to anything anything related to content really 00:02:34.180 --> 00:02:35.519 that alone 00:02:35.519 --> 00:02:39.310 it's very difficult to imagine how you could come to consensus that 00:02:39.310 --> 00:02:41.819 would be acceptable to all players 00:02:41.819 --> 00:02:46.260 general question about how much should government's be able to watch what users 00:02:46.260 --> 00:02:50.400 are doing online and what are their motives there visit in 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.949 you know pursuing real criminals 00:02:53.949 --> 00:02:59.429 in some normative sense or is it trying to control people who might the engaged 00:02:59.429 --> 00:03:02.039 in some kind of activism the government doesn't like 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:05.269 seen reports that the internet has been shut down inferior 00:03:05.269 --> 00:03:08.509 and decode facts to say that there isn't jamming today a look at what syria has 00:03:08.509 --> 00:03:12.159 done to their internet it uses the control arty exist 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.739 and there's a peaceful comments from now means that is in fact dozens of 00:03:15.739 --> 00:03:19.469 countries including china russia and some arab states already restrict 00:03:19.469 --> 00:03:23.079 internet access within their own borders if these governments have greater 00:03:23.079 --> 00:03:26.549 leverage over internet content service providers if changes are made