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Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.62,0:00:03.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It will also be re\Nbroadcasted at a later date
Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.91,0:00:08.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on Comcast eight, RCN 82 SAS as per 196.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.88,0:00:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For a public testimony written comments
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.73,0:00:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may be sent to the committee email
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.68,0:00:15.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,@ccc.go@boston.gov
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.87,0:00:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it will be made part\Nof the official record.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.71,0:00:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is an ordinance
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.73,0:00:22.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would ban the use\Nof facial surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.29,0:00:25.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by the city of Boston or any\Nofficial in the city of Boston.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.65,0:00:27.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The proposal would also prohibit
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.13,0:00:29.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,entering into agreements, contracts
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.01,0:00:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to obtain face-to-face\Nsurveillance with third parties.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.17,0:00:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna turn it now\Nover to the lead sponsors,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.32,0:00:37.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,councilor Wu and councilor Arroyo.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.97,0:00:39.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I will turn it to my colleagues
Dialogue: 0,0:00:39.39,0:00:41.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order of arrival, for opening remarks.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.75,0:00:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And just to acknowledge my colleagues
Dialogue: 0,0:00:45.38,0:00:48.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I believe the order that I had so far,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.13,0:00:51.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again it will be councilor Arroyo,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.89,0:00:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,councilor Wu, councilor\NBraden, councilor Bok,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.58,0:00:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,councilor Mejia, councilor Campbell,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:58.26,0:01:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I had councilor\NO'Malley, councilor Essaibi George
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.61,0:01:05.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then I'm sorry, I started talking.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.86,0:01:07.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So other councilors have joined us.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.93,0:01:13.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MICHAEL: Good morning madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:13.84,0:01:15.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Councilor Flaherty was before me
Dialogue: 0,0:01:15.44,0:01:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,councilor Edwards, thanks.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.22,0:01:18.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I apologize councilor Flaherty,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.92,0:01:21.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then councilor Campbell,\Nthen counselor melody
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.98,0:01:23.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and councilor Essaibi George.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.69,0:01:28.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will not turn it over\Nto the lead sponsors.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:29.79,0:01:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does that start with me?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.50,0:01:32.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CHAIR: Sure.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:32.42,0:01:34.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:34.24,0:01:36.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we have excellent panelists
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.26,0:01:38.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to kind of go into the intricacies
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.80,0:01:40.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the facial recognition ban.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.48,0:01:42.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But to just kind of summarize it,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.87,0:01:45.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this facial recognition band\Ncreates a community process
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.98,0:01:48.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that makes our systems more inclusive
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.82,0:01:50.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of community consents while\Nadding democratic oversight,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.63,0:01:52.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where there currently is none.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.84,0:01:53.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We will be joining our neighbors
Dialogue: 0,0:01:53.89,0:01:55.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Cambridge and Somerville.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.98,0:01:58.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And specifically when it comes\Nto facial recognition tech,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:58.61,0:02:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it doesn't work, it's not good.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:01.10,0:02:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It it's been proven through the data
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.72,0:02:06.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be less accurate for\Npeople with darker skin.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.09,0:02:09.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A study by one of our\Npanelists Joy Buolamwini,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.90,0:02:11.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,researcher at MIT,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.22,0:02:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,found that black women
Dialogue: 0,0:02:12.05,0:02:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were 35% more likely than white men
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.96,0:02:16.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be misclassified by face\Nsurveillance technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:16.43,0:02:18.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The reality is that face surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.73,0:02:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,isn't very effective in its current form.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:24.33,0:02:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,According to records obtained by the ACLU,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:26.16,0:02:28.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one manufacturer promoting\Nthis technology Massachusetts
Dialogue: 0,0:02:28.85,0:02:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,admitted that it might only\Nwork about 30% of the time.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.64,0:02:34.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Currently, my understanding
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.37,0:02:37.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that the Boston Police\NDepartment does not use this.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.53,0:02:39.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This isn't a ban on surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.43,0:02:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is simply a ban on facial\Nrecognition surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.88,0:02:45.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I think the data\Nhas shown doesn't work.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:45.55,0:02:47.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BPD doesn't use it because,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.88,0:02:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I will allow commissioner\NGross to speak on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.92,0:02:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But my understanding from what I've heard
Dialogue: 0,0:02:52.80,0:02:53.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and past comments from commissioner Gross
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.99,0:02:55.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that they don't wanna use technology
Dialogue: 0,0:02:55.84,0:02:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that doesn't work well.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.09,0:03:01.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so this ban necessarily\Neven a permanent ban,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:01.82,0:03:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it just creates a process\Nwhere we are banning something
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.60,0:03:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that doesn't have to be process
Dialogue: 0,0:03:07.03,0:03:09.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that doesn't have community trust
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.78,0:03:12.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and doesn't have community consent
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.00,0:03:13.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which would require\Nsome democratic oversight
Dialogue: 0,0:03:13.65,0:03:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they ever do want to implement it,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.25,0:03:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if the technology in the\Nfuture ever does improve.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.33,0:03:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so with that, I see\Nthe rest of my time.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.71,0:03:19.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.97,0:03:24.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And thank you also to my\Nco-sponsor councilor Wu.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.22,0:03:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:28.62,0:03:33.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you also to councilor Arroyo
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.07,0:03:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all of the coalition partners
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.65,0:03:39.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have been working\Non this for many months
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.12,0:03:42.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and providing all sorts of\Nincredibly important feedback.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.83,0:03:47.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We scheduled this hearing\Nmany weeks ago at this point,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.68,0:03:48.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think over a month ago.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.82,0:03:52.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it just so happened that\Nthe timing of it now has lined
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.80,0:03:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up with a moment of great national trauma.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.56,0:03:57.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in this moment,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.67,0:04:02.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the responsibility is on\Neach one of us to step up,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:02.33,0:04:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to truly address systemic\Nracism and systemic oppression,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.18,0:04:07.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the responsibilities,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.01,0:04:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially on elected\Nofficials, policy makers,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.68,0:04:13.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those of us who have the power
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.58,0:04:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the ability to make change now.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:16.35,0:04:20.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I am proud that\NBoston has the potential
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.29,0:04:22.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to join our sister cities\Nacross Massachusetts
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.91,0:04:26.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in taking this immediate\Nstep to ban a technology
Dialogue: 0,0:04:26.02,0:04:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has been proven to\Nbe racially discriminatory
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.92,0:04:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that threatens basic rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:33.42,0:04:35.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are thankful that Boston police
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.61,0:04:37.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,agree with that assessment
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.15,0:04:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and do not use facial recognition,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.52,0:04:42.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facial surveillance today in Boston,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:42.44,0:04:45.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are looking to\Ncodify that understanding
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.81,0:04:49.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that with the various\Nmechanisms for technology
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.29,0:04:53.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and upgrades and changing circumstances
Dialogue: 0,0:04:53.71,0:04:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of different administrations\Nand personalities,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.24,0:04:58.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we just have it on the books
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.06,0:05:00.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that protections come first,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.07,0:05:02.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we truly believe\Nthat public health
Dialogue: 0,0:05:02.46,0:05:05.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and public safety should\Nbe grounded in trust.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.57,0:05:09.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the chair gave a wonderful description
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.55,0:05:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this ordinance.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:11.19,0:05:13.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am looking forward to the discussion,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.97,0:05:16.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but most of all I'm grateful to colleagues
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.65,0:05:18.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everyone has con who has contributed
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.10,0:05:19.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this conversation,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:19.33,0:05:22.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as the larger conversation about
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.45,0:05:25.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,community centered\Noversight of surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:25.69,0:05:29.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which will be in a\Nseparate but related docket
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.22,0:05:30.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that will be moving\Nforward on the council.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.77,0:05:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:35.48,0:05:38.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Councilor Breadon, opening remarks.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.17,0:05:43.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.69,0:05:45.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, madam chair,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.73,0:05:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you to the makers of this ordinance.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.16,0:05:53.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really look forward to the\Nconversation this afternoon.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:53.89,0:05:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm very proud to participate\Nin this discussion.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.09,0:06:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's the proper\Nand right thing to do
Dialogue: 0,0:06:00.83,0:06:05.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to really consider deeply\Nall the implications
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.10,0:06:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of new technology that hasn't\Nbeen proven to be effective
Dialogue: 0,0:06:07.23,0:06:10.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before introducing it in\Nany city in Massachusetts.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.66,0:06:13.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I really look forward to learning more
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.61,0:06:16.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and hearing from the panelists\Nthis afternoon, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:19.78,0:06:21.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CHAIR: Councilor Bok.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:26.08,0:06:27.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah, yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.08,0:06:27.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.91,0:06:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I hope everyone will forgive me
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.80,0:06:30.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for being outside for a minute.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.63,0:06:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanted to just say,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.26,0:06:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm excited about this conversation today.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.04,0:06:35.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's a piece of action\Nwe should absolutely take.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:35.87,0:06:37.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just wanna say that,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.06,0:06:39.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think it's really important\Nthat this technology
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.86,0:06:41.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has major shortcomings
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.08,0:06:44.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that also it has a\Nracial bias builds into it.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:44.24,0:06:46.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those are really good\Nreasons not to use it,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:46.60,0:06:51.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but honestly, even if those did not hold,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:51.41,0:06:52.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that in this country,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.90,0:06:56.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we run the risk sometimes of\Njust starting to do things
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.72,0:06:59.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that tech new technology can do,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.18,0:07:02.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without asking ourselves like\Nas a democratic populous,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.17,0:07:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a community, is this\Nsomething that we should do?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.66,0:07:06.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think in the process,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.45,0:07:07.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we as Americans have given up
Dialogue: 0,0:07:07.91,0:07:09.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of our rights and privacy,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.97,0:07:13.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,frankly as often as not\Nto private corporations
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.35,0:07:14.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as to government.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:14.94,0:07:17.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I think that it's really important
Dialogue: 0,0:07:17.44,0:07:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to just remember that there's\Na true public interest
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.19,0:07:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a society that is built more on trust
Dialogue: 0,0:07:24.56,0:07:25.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than on surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.44,0:07:28.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I think it's really important
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.10,0:07:29.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for us to draw this line in the sand
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.06,0:07:31.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that if the technology improves
Dialogue: 0,0:07:31.61,0:07:32.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some of those arguments
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.89,0:07:35.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are based on a kind\Nof its functionality
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.53,0:07:37.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,start to slip away, that\Nwe're still gonna have
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.86,0:07:39.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a real conversation together
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.27,0:07:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about how we wanna live in
Dialogue: 0,0:07:42.73,0:07:44.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what kind of a society we want to be.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.41,0:07:48.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So to me, putting a\Nmoratorium ban like this
Dialogue: 0,0:07:48.30,0:07:50.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into place, makes a ton of sense.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.23,0:07:52.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm excited for the conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.04,0:07:53.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and grateful to all the advocates.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.46,0:07:54.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much madam chair
Dialogue: 0,0:07:56.18,0:07:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.68,0:07:59.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Councilor Mejia.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.78,0:08:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:04.13,0:08:06.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry about my audio.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.09,0:08:10.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you chair, women Edwards,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.21,0:08:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you to the makers, councilor Wu,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.22,0:08:14.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I applaud you for your\Nleadership on this issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.83,0:08:17.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For me this issue is\Npersonal and professional
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.17,0:08:19.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a Dominican woman who\Nclaims a black boots.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.48,0:08:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.68,0:08:24.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,misidentifies people like me by 35%.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.61,0:08:26.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're in a time where our technology
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.68,0:08:28.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is outpacing our morals.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.84,0:08:32.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've got a 2020 technology\Nwith a 1620 state of mind,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.57,0:08:35.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that's thinking.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:35.36,0:08:38.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a city, we need to\Npractice extreme caution
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.22,0:08:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over facial recognition technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.58,0:08:42.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we should be concerned
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.37,0:08:45.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only with this technology goes wrong,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:45.15,0:08:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also when it goes right.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.95,0:08:48.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a lot of work to do
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.09,0:08:50.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to building\Ntrust in our government.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.88,0:08:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Working against this facial\Nrecognition technology
Dialogue: 0,0:08:54.06,0:08:56.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a good step and I'm happy to hear
Dialogue: 0,0:08:56.85,0:08:59.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's pushback against\Nthis kind of surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.41,0:09:01.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on all sides of the issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.40,0:09:03.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like the makers of the\Nordinance mentioned,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:03.82,0:09:06.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now, right now, there's not a desire
Dialogue: 0,0:09:06.95,0:09:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to put facial recognition\Ntechnology in place.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.28,0:09:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this ordinance is an\Nopportunity to put that into law.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.85,0:09:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I look forward to the discussion
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.69,0:09:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I hope to continue\Nto push on this issue
Dialogue: 0,0:09:19.66,0:09:22.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alongside councilor Wu and Arroyo,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:22.09,0:09:23.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.94,0:09:27.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:27.29,0:09:28.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Councilor Flaherty.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.75,0:09:30.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MICHAEL: Thank you madam chair
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.07,0:09:32.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the sponsors for this hearing.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.03,0:09:35.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As I've stated in the past\Nthe technology updates
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.74,0:09:39.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and advances have provided\Nus with many advantages,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.23,0:09:41.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.51,0:09:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they've also proven to be deeply flawed,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.30,0:09:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unreliable and disproportionally impacting
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.44,0:09:48.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,communities of color.
Dialogue: 0,0:09:48.94,0:09:49.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.77,0:09:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just for everyone's full\Ndisclosure if you listening,
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.92,0:09:56.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this technology is currently\Nnot being used by the BPD
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.32,0:09:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for that reason and CAC\Ncommissioner is here
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.60,0:10:02.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and good afternoon to the commissioner.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.28,0:10:04.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I appreciate the work\Nthat you've been doing
Dialogue: 0,0:10:04.52,0:10:05.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through all of this.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.35,0:10:07.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether it's just the\Nday-to-day public safety,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.52,0:10:08.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rigors of your job,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.54,0:10:10.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it's been through\Nthe COVID-19 response,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.88,0:10:13.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or it's been, most recently and tragically
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.87,0:10:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in response to George\NFloyd's horrific death
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.36,0:10:22.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everything that has come from that.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.07,0:10:22.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanna make sure
Dialogue: 0,0:10:22.90,0:10:27.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I'm gonna continue\Nto remain supportive
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.17,0:10:32.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of setting transparent limits\Nin creating a public process
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.52,0:10:36.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by which we assess the\Nuse of these technologies.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:36.32,0:10:38.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that we've been able\Nto solve a lot of crimes
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.91,0:10:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through video surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.56,0:10:42.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also through video, quite frankly,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.61,0:10:47.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also they've led\Nto justice for families
Dialogue: 0,0:10:47.09,0:10:50.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and someone that has lost\Na cousin due to murder,
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.38,0:10:54.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but for, it was surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.02,0:10:58.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was DNA that led to\Nmy family getting justice.
Dialogue: 0,0:10:58.63,0:11:02.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So looking forward to\Nlearning more about this
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.68,0:11:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the commissioner's perspective on it,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.06,0:11:08.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also recognizing that collectively
Dialogue: 0,0:11:08.05,0:11:10.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need to make sure that\Nwe're putting forth decisions
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.48,0:11:13.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that make the most sense for Boston.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.20,0:11:15.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll get real parochial here.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.93,0:11:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Quite frankly, I'm not really\Nconcerned about Cambridge
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.93,0:11:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Somerville, I wanna make sure
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.58,0:11:22.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that whatever we're doing\Nin Boston is impacting
Dialogue: 0,0:11:22.52,0:11:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of our neighborhoods.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.60,0:11:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The neighborhoods that I represent
Dialogue: 0,0:11:24.88,0:11:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a city wide city councilor.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:26.22,0:11:28.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And making sure that we\Nhave community input,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.44,0:11:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most importantly.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.27,0:11:31.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We work for the people\Nof Boston, as council
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.33,0:11:33.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and obviously as the\Ncommissioner of police officers,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.85,0:11:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we work for the residents and\Nthe taxpayers of our city.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:36.80,0:11:38.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So they need a seat at the table
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.97,0:11:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we wanna to hear from them.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.80,0:11:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the technology enhances
Dialogue: 0,0:11:41.41,0:11:43.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it help us is public\Nsafety tool, great.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.63,0:11:45.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as the time stands,
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.39,0:11:49.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's still unreliable and\Nthere are flaws to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:49.19,0:11:51.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So as a result that's\Nwhere I'm gonna be on this.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.80,0:11:52.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.92,0:11:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:11:55.28,0:11:56.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Councilor Campbell.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:00.24,0:12:02.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, madam chair and thank you,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.96,0:12:04.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know you're gonna run a tight ship
Dialogue: 0,0:12:04.43,0:12:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,given what's all that's happening today,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.83,0:12:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including the funeral, of\Ncourse for George Floyd.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.19,0:12:09.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:10.36,0:12:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you also to, of course,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.19,0:12:13.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the commissioner for being here,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:13.41,0:12:15.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,given all that's going on.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:15.10,0:12:16.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know you've been on\Nthe record in the past
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.41,0:12:17.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with respect to this issue
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.100,0:12:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that not only does the\Ndepartment not have it,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.55,0:12:23.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but you understand the flaws of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.10,0:12:24.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you for being here.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:24.92,0:12:27.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you to my council colleagues,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:27.63,0:12:29.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but als most importantly the makers
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.20,0:12:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for putting this forward.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.54,0:12:33.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have been supportive of\Nthis since the very beginning,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:33.70,0:12:34.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I hosted,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.83,0:12:36.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,along with councilor Wu\Nand counselor McCarthy,
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.94,0:12:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a hearing on this very issue
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.40,0:12:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,along with some other\Nsurveillance technologies
Dialogue: 0,0:12:42.25,0:12:44.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and things that were possibly\Ncoming down the pipe.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:44.47,0:12:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this was an opportunity for us
Dialogue: 0,0:12:46.44,0:12:49.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have this conversation on\Nwhat we could do proactively
Dialogue: 0,0:12:49.91,0:12:53.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make sure that surveillance tools
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.03,0:12:56.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were not put into place without\Na robust community process.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.41,0:12:58.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And of course, council input.
Dialogue: 0,0:12:58.14,0:13:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So back then I supported\Nit and I support it now.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:01.10,0:13:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again thank you commissioner,\Nthank you to your team,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:03.68,0:13:06.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you to the makers\Nand thank you madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:06.60,0:13:08.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And Aiden also says, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.05,0:13:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you Aiden and thank\Nyou councilor Campbell.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:13.24,0:13:15.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,councilor O'Malley.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.07,0:13:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.56,0:13:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just very briefly wanna thank the makers,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.20,0:13:23.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,councilor Wu and Arroyo\Nfor their leadership here.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:23.38,0:13:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously I support the\Nfacial recognition ban.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.56,0:13:31.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also grateful, wanna echo my\Nthanks to the commissioner
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.24,0:13:33.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for his comments and his opposition,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:33.81,0:13:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the fact that this isn't used.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.69,0:13:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's important that we\Ncodified that in such a way,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:37.46,0:13:39.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which again is the purpose of this hearing
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.46,0:13:41.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this ordinance and\Nstand ready, willing
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.57,0:13:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and able to get to work.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:43.50,0:13:44.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you and look forward
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.49,0:13:46.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to hearing from a number of residents,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:46.16,0:13:48.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our panelists, as well as a\Npublic testimony after, thanks.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:48.83,0:13:52.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much,\Ncouncilor Essaibi George.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.05,0:13:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you madam chair,
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.88,0:13:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you to the commissioner
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.73,0:13:55.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for being with us this afternoon.
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.98,0:13:57.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I look forward to hearing from him
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.53,0:14:00.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and from the panelists discussing\Nthis ordinance further.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:00.58,0:14:02.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that it is necessary
Dialogue: 0,0:14:02.22,0:14:05.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ban this technology at this point.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.09,0:14:09.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that our colleagues\Nhave brought to the forefront,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:09.06,0:14:11.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the last few years\Nas have the advocates,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.53,0:14:14.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the concerns regarding\Nthis kind of technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.73,0:14:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I appreciate the real concerns\Naround accuracy and biases
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.09,0:14:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against people of color\Nwomen, children, the elderly,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:24.38,0:14:29.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and certainly reflective\Nof our city's residents.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.13,0:14:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we need to make sure\Nthat we're proactive
Dialogue: 0,0:14:32.44,0:14:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and protecting our residents
Dialogue: 0,0:14:34.92,0:14:37.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and having a deeper understanding
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.25,0:14:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and appreciation of this technology
Dialogue: 0,0:14:39.44,0:14:41.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and understanding what\Nthis ordinance would mean
Dialogue: 0,0:14:41.81,0:14:45.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around that ban and\Nfollowing through with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.44,0:14:46.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you ma'am chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.42,0:14:47.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:47.47,0:14:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand councilor\NFlynn is trying to get in
Dialogue: 0,0:14:50.04,0:14:51.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there might be a limits.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.80,0:14:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm just saying that for our tech folks.
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.26,0:14:55.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the meantime, I'm\Ngoing to read a letter
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.15,0:14:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from city council president Kim Janey,
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.28,0:15:01.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Dear chairwoman Edwards, due\Nto technical difficulties,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.29,0:15:04.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm unable to log in for\Ntoday's hearing on docket 0683,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.98,0:15:06.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding an ordinance
Dialogue: 0,0:15:06.01,0:15:08.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,banning facial recognition\Ntechnology in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:08.87,0:15:11.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will continue to work on\Nthe technical challenges
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.43,0:15:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on my end and we'll join\Nthe hearing at a later time
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.72,0:15:16.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I am able, if I'm unable to join,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.09,0:15:18.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll review the recording at a later time.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.76,0:15:21.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to thank the makers\Ncouncilors Wu and Arroyo
Dialogue: 0,0:15:21.49,0:15:23.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for their advocacy and\Ncontinued leadership
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.91,0:15:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on this critical issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.36,0:15:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I especially want to\Nthank all the advocates
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.76,0:15:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are participating
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.32,0:15:31.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for their tireless advocacy on this issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:31.31,0:15:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I look forward to working with advocates
Dialogue: 0,0:15:32.96,0:15:34.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to incorporate their ideas
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.37,0:15:36.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how we can push this\Nissue moving forward.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.38,0:15:39.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is clear we need policies in place
Dialogue: 0,0:15:39.24,0:15:41.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to protect communities that\Nare vulnerable to technologies
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.46,0:15:42.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are biased against them.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.89,0:15:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I look forward to working\Nwith my colleagues
Dialogue: 0,0:15:44.50,0:15:45.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on this critical issue,
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.53,0:15:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we'll continue to fight for an agenda
Dialogue: 0,0:15:47.42,0:15:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that promotes and protects black lives.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.30,0:15:52.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please read this letter\Ninto the record, thank you."
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.13,0:15:53.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sincerely Kim Janey.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.22,0:15:56.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure if we've been\Njoined by councilor Flynn.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.30,0:15:59.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do know he was trying to get in.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:03.60,0:16:05.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the meantime I did want to just do
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.01,0:16:08.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some quick housekeeping as part\Nof my introductory remarks.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.84,0:16:11.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just to let people know again,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.43,0:16:12.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,today's hearing is specifically
Dialogue: 0,0:16:12.92,0:16:14.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about this proposed ordinance
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.39,0:16:16.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would ban facial\Nrecognition technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.85,0:16:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We had a robust conversation\Nabout defunding the police,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.27,0:16:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,discussing all aspects of the budget,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.48,0:16:25.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of those different things just happen
Dialogue: 0,0:16:25.74,0:16:28.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it was chaired by councilor Bok.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.33,0:16:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wanna make sure that\Nour conversations are related,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.14,0:16:35.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we do not take this precious\Nmoment on this legislation
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.61,0:16:40.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have it covered up by\Nthe other conversation.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:40.06,0:16:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just want you to know that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.21,0:16:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and again, I will move the conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:16:45.79,0:16:47.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,towards this ordinance.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.61,0:16:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There should be a copy of it.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.16,0:16:50.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People should have the ability
Dialogue: 0,0:16:50.91,0:16:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to discuss about this\Nlanguage in this ordinance.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.16,0:16:55.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Questions I have,
Dialogue: 0,0:16:55.30,0:16:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do want to talk about,\Nwhether time is of the essence.
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.90,0:17:00.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There seem to been some issue,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.52,0:17:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm concerned about whether\Nwe were entering a contract
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.26,0:17:04.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that allowed for this.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:04.31,0:17:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when the commissioner speaks,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.60,0:17:08.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd like for him to speak on that.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:08.49,0:17:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure if there's a\Ncontract pending what's going on.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:12.08,0:17:14.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also wanna make sure\Nthat folks understand
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.54,0:17:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to the fact that I think
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.70,0:17:19.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have possibly a hundred\Npeople signed up to speak.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.80,0:17:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have a lot of folks
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.87,0:17:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are gonna be speaking on the panel.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.41,0:17:26.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to limit my\Ncolleagues to three minutes
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.22,0:17:27.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in their first round.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:27.38,0:17:30.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm gonna get the\Npublic to no more than two.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:30.56,0:17:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm gonna try my best\Nto get through that list.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:32.92,0:17:35.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I see we've been\Njoined by councilor Flynn,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:35.85,0:17:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,councilor Flynn, do you\Nhave any opening remarks?
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.73,0:17:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:17:47.07,0:17:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, counsel Edwards,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.70,0:17:54.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to the sponsors and looking\Nforward to this hearing,
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.40,0:17:59.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,learning, learning more about the proposal
Dialogue: 0,0:18:01.24,0:18:04.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also interested in hearing
Dialogue: 0,0:18:04.16,0:18:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the commissioner of\Npolice, commissioner Gross
Dialogue: 0,0:18:09.93,0:18:14.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with the public as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.16,0:18:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, this is an issue that's\Nthat we all can learn from.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:21.49,0:18:25.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can listen to each\Nother, we can be respectful
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.28,0:18:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and hear each other's point of view.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:28.13,0:18:29.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's what this city is all about,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:29.75,0:18:34.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is coming together and\Ntreating each other fairly.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.15,0:18:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with respect, especially\Nduring difficult days
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.64,0:18:40.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and on and on difficult issues.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:40.07,0:18:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also know that our police commissioner
Dialogue: 0,0:18:43.50,0:18:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is someone that also listens to people
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.84,0:18:51.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he's in the neighborhoods and he talks
Dialogue: 0,0:18:51.36,0:18:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and listens to a lot of the\Nconcerns of the residents.
Dialogue: 0,0:18:55.00,0:18:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's what I like most about\Nthe police commissioner,
Dialogue: 0,0:18:58.12,0:19:01.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is his ability to listen\Nand treat people freely.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:01.13,0:19:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, I'm here to listen\Nand learn about the proposal.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:03.83,0:19:06.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you councilor Edwards\Nfor your strong leadership.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:06.07,0:19:07.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you councilor Flynn.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:07.85,0:19:09.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just wanna let people know,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:09.67,0:19:12.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we actually have a a hundred\Npercent limit on the Zoom.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:12.82,0:19:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have 118 people trying to get in.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:14.50,0:19:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So once you've testified,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.84,0:19:17.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could you at least sign out,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:18.69,0:19:19.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that allows for other people to get in.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.58,0:19:21.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Commissioner Gross you've been waiting.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:21.81,0:19:23.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm gonna turn the\Nmicrophone over to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.95,0:19:27.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna ask you get\Nright to the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.35,0:19:29.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and get to the trends\Nand thoughts on that.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:29.69,0:19:32.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm happy to discuss any procedure.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:32.06,0:19:33.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we're gonna try\Nand get to the panelists
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.89,0:19:36.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and move back to the city\Ncouncil while you're still here.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.70,0:19:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.\NYes, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.47,0:19:44.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good afternoon everyone.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.31,0:19:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And God bless Mr. George\NFloyd, may he rest in peace.
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.12,0:19:52.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for the record, I'm proud of Boston,
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.82,0:19:56.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as they paid great homage\Nand peaceful protest
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.59,0:20:00.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and anything we can do to\Nmove our department forward,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:00.37,0:20:02.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working with our community.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:02.09,0:20:03.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have it on record right here,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:03.33,0:20:05.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and now I'm willing to\Nwork with you councilors,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:05.23,0:20:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the mayor, in our great city.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.72,0:20:08.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:09.57,0:20:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I will start and thank you the chair
Dialogue: 0,0:20:13.36,0:20:15.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the committee members and the makers,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:15.86,0:20:18.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,councilor Wu and Arroyo.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:19.93,0:20:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really thank you for\Ninviting me to participate
Dialogue: 0,0:20:22.15,0:20:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in today's hearing regarding the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,0:20:24.37,0:20:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,banning facial recognition\Ntechnology in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.64,0:20:31.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As you can imagine the\NBoston Police Department
Dialogue: 0,0:20:31.67,0:20:33.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been extremely busy\Nmeeting the current demands
Dialogue: 0,0:20:33.99,0:20:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of public safety from\Nthe COVID-19 pandemic
Dialogue: 0,0:20:37.64,0:20:39.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the public rallies.
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.58,0:20:42.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, the department and I understand
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.11,0:20:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the importance of the given topic,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.80,0:20:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to request
Dialogue: 0,0:20:46.84,0:20:49.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that hearing remain on the given topic
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.63,0:20:52.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that we work together\Nto find other times
Dialogue: 0,0:20:52.67,0:20:56.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to discuss the important issues\Nregarding police relations,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:56.17,0:20:58.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,national issues on police reform
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.82,0:21:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the ways that we can improve
Dialogue: 0,0:21:01.33,0:21:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our relationships here in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:06.43,0:21:08.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As has been practiced in the past,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.31,0:21:10.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we welcome a future opportunity
Dialogue: 0,0:21:10.02,0:21:12.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to discuss the ordinance language
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.05,0:21:15.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and city council concerns\Nin a working session
Dialogue: 0,0:21:15.69,0:21:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding technology policy
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.06,0:21:20.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and potential privacy concerns.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:20.59,0:21:24.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My testimony today is meant\Nto serve as a background
Dialogue: 0,0:21:24.95,0:21:27.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to BPD current practices
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.57,0:21:31.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and identify potential\Ntechnological needs.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.05,0:21:34.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The department for the record,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.33,0:21:36.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does not currently have the technology
Dialogue: 0,0:21:36.38,0:21:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for facial recognition.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.24,0:21:41.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As technology advances however,
Dialogue: 0,0:21:41.84,0:21:45.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many vendors have and will\Ncontinue to incorporate
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.33,0:21:49.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,automated recognition abilities.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.10,0:21:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have prohibited these features
Dialogue: 0,0:21:52.36,0:21:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as we have moved along in our advancements
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.02,0:21:58.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the intention to have rich\Ndialogue with the community
Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.29,0:22:03.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,prior to any acquisition\Nof such a technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:04.41,0:22:07.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Video has proven to be one\Nof the most effective tools
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.54,0:22:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for collecting evidence\Nof criminal offenses,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.87,0:22:13.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for solving crimes and locating missing
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.09,0:22:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and exploited individuals.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:15.64,0:22:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Any prohibitions on\Nthese investigative tools
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.72,0:22:21.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without a full understanding\Nof potential uses
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.71,0:22:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under strict protocols,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:23.44,0:22:25.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could be harmful and impede our ability
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.61,0:22:26.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to protect the public.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:28.37,0:22:32.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The proposed ordinance defines\Nfacial surveillance to mean,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.12,0:22:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an automatic automated\Nor semi-automated process
Dialogue: 0,0:22:35.65,0:22:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that assist in identifying\Nor verifying an individual
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.50,0:22:43.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in capturing information\Nabout an individual
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.54,0:22:45.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on the physical characteristics
Dialogue: 0,0:22:45.51,0:22:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of an individual's face.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:51.44,0:22:53.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to be clear,
Dialogue: 0,0:22:53.10,0:22:54.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that department has no desire
Dialogue: 0,0:22:54.84,0:22:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to employ a facial surveillance system
Dialogue: 0,0:22:58.11,0:23:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to generally surveil\Nthe citizens of Boston.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:01.33,0:23:03.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The department however notes a distinction
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.64,0:23:06.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between facial surveillance systems
Dialogue: 0,0:23:06.26,0:23:08.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and facial recognition technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:09.35,0:23:10.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The department believes
Dialogue: 0,0:23:10.23,0:23:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the term facial\Nrecognition technology
Dialogue: 0,0:23:13.25,0:23:16.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,better describes the investigative nature
Dialogue: 0,0:23:16.55,0:23:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the technology we believe\Nwould be useful to the city,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:20.64,0:23:23.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the right safeguards\Nand community input.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.47,0:23:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The department would,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:25.96,0:23:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as technology advances\Nand becomes more reliable,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:28.96,0:23:31.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like the opportunity to\Ndiscuss the utilization
Dialogue: 0,0:23:31.85,0:23:34.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of facial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,0:23:34.72,0:23:39.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to respond to specific crimes\Nand emergency situations.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.34,0:23:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I would like to\Nrevisit everyone's thoughts
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.42,0:23:47.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and remembrances of the Boston Marathon
Dialogue: 0,0:23:47.69,0:23:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the most recent kidnappings.
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.12,0:23:55.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facial recognition technology\Nto the best of our knowledge,
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.51,0:23:57.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will greatly reduced the hours necessary
Dialogue: 0,0:23:57.59,0:24:00.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to review video evidence.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:00.32,0:24:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This would also allow\Ninvestigators to move more quickly,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:04.44,0:24:06.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,identify victims, missing persons
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.76,0:24:10.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or suspects of crime through\Ncitywide camera recordings.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:10.97,0:24:13.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This technology, if acquired
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.76,0:24:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would also allow for the compilation
Dialogue: 0,0:24:16.16,0:24:19.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and condensing a video to\Nbe done more efficiently.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:21.95,0:24:23.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.67,0:24:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,used with well-established guidelines
Dialogue: 0,0:24:25.62,0:24:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and under strict review,
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.44,0:24:29.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can also provide a safer environment
Dialogue: 0,0:24:29.38,0:24:31.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for all in the city of Boston.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:32.24,0:24:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Creating a system in\Nwhich evidence is reviewed
Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.68,0:24:37.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a timely manner and efficiently
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.54,0:24:40.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allows for police to intervene
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.38,0:24:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reduce levels of\Ncrime would be beneficial.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.46,0:24:49.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The department rejects any\Nnotion in the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,0:24:49.85,0:24:54.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would whatever use\Nfacial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,0:24:55.68,0:24:58.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our response to COVID-19 pandemic.
Dialogue: 0,0:24:58.79,0:25:00.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And just for the record,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:00.62,0:25:01.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd like to repeat that,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:01.83,0:25:04.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the department rejects any\Nnotion in the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,0:25:04.82,0:25:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we are or will ever use\Nfacial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,0:25:09.42,0:25:12.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our response to COVID-19 pandemic.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:13.98,0:25:14.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finally,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:18.64,0:25:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is important to note,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:20.76,0:25:24.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the department shares the\Nconcerns of our community
Dialogue: 0,0:25:24.44,0:25:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our community concerns around privacy
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.36,0:25:29.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and intrusive surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.68,0:25:34.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as it is the current practice\Nwith existing technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.09,0:25:35.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our intentions are to implement
Dialogue: 0,0:25:35.59,0:25:37.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any potential future advances
Dialogue: 0,0:25:37.95,0:25:40.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in facial recognition technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:40.61,0:25:43.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through well-defined\Nprotocols and procedures.
Dialogue: 0,0:25:43.46,0:25:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some areas we consider, excuse me,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:47.04,0:25:49.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some areas we consider this\Ntechnology may be beneficial,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:49.87,0:25:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are in identifying the route
Dialogue: 0,0:25:52.26,0:25:54.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and locations of missing persons,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:54.20,0:25:57.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including the suffering from\NAlzheimer's and dementia,
Dialogue: 0,0:25:57.39,0:26:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those suffering from\NAlzheimer's and dementia.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.94,0:26:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As well, missing children,\Nkidnapped individuals,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:04.13,0:26:06.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,human trafficking victims,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.62,0:26:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the suspects of\Nassaults and shootings.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.84,0:26:14.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Also the victims of\Nhomicide and domestic abuse.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:17.72,0:26:19.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Important to know,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:19.17,0:26:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we would like to work with\Nthe council and our partners
Dialogue: 0,0:26:22.56,0:26:24.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to clearly articulate the language
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.86,0:26:27.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could best describe these uses.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:27.52,0:26:30.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In section B2 with the proposed ordinance
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.59,0:26:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that indicates there is some intention
Dialogue: 0,0:26:33.00,0:26:35.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to account for the use of this technology
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.69,0:26:37.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to advance investigations
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.32,0:26:39.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the department police\Nsome additional language
Dialogue: 0,0:26:39.48,0:26:43.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,referencing permitted uses is necessary.
Dialogue: 0,0:26:44.76,0:26:48.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We as well, would\Nappreciate a working session
Dialogue: 0,0:26:48.77,0:26:51.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within the next 60 days,
Dialogue: 0,0:26:51.38,0:26:55.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to draft language that we\Ncan collectively present
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.35,0:26:58.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to constituents and\Nrequesting interest groups
Dialogue: 0,0:26:58.99,0:27:01.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for feedback and input.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:02.66,0:27:05.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We also plan to use the public testimony
Dialogue: 0,0:27:05.13,0:27:07.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being provided in today's hearing
Dialogue: 0,0:27:07.35,0:27:09.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to assist in our decision-making.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:10.41,0:27:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd like to thank you for this opportunity
Dialogue: 0,0:27:12.61,0:27:14.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to provide this testimony
Dialogue: 0,0:27:14.62,0:27:16.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and your continued interest and time
Dialogue: 0,0:27:16.74,0:27:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in creating public forums,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.90,0:27:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around police technology and advancements.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:22.81,0:27:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's my official\Nstatement that I read in.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.56,0:27:29.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm telling you right now\Nas an African-American male,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:29.10,0:27:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the technology that is in place today
Dialogue: 0,0:27:32.11,0:27:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does not meet the standards of\Nthe Boston Police Department,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:35.50,0:27:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor does it meet my standards.
Dialogue: 0,0:27:37.90,0:27:39.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And until technology advances
Dialogue: 0,0:27:39.47,0:27:42.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a point where it is more reliable,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.77,0:27:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again, we will need your\Ninput, your guidance,
Dialogue: 0,0:27:46.46,0:27:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we'll work together\Nto pick that technology
Dialogue: 0,0:27:50.92,0:27:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is more conducive to our privacy
Dialogue: 0,0:27:55.16,0:27:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our rights as citizens\Nof Boston, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:01.69,0:28:03.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much commissioner Gross.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:03.85,0:28:06.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you, just before I go on,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:06.52,0:28:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're gonna go now to Joy Buolamwini
Dialogue: 0,0:28:12.12,0:28:13.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am so sorry for that Joy.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:13.80,0:28:16.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I apologize profusely for the\Nbutchering of your last name.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:16.89,0:28:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My'kel McMillen, Karina\NHam, Kade Crawford, Kate,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:21.58,0:28:26.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Erik Berg, and Joshua Barocas.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:27.09,0:28:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I wanted to ask the\Ncommissioner just very quickly,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:30.34,0:28:33.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you said you have suggested language
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.21,0:28:36.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that you would want to work\Non suggested language for B2.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.90,0:28:39.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I would want to work on it.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:39.01,0:28:42.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So keep in mind anything\Nwe do going forward,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:42.24,0:28:44.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I promised for the last four years,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.67,0:28:47.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we want your input and your guidance.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.26,0:28:50.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Councilor Mejia you hit it on point.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:50.43,0:28:52.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This technology is not fair to everyone,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:52.73,0:28:55.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially African-Americans, Latinos,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.67,0:28:57.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not there yet.
Dialogue: 0,0:28:57.12,0:28:58.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So moving forward,
Dialogue: 0,0:28:58.96,0:29:00.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to make sure\Neverybody's comfortable
Dialogue: 0,0:29:00.99,0:29:02.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with this type of technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.70,0:29:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:05.46,0:29:08.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So now I'm gonna turn it\Nover to some of the folks
Dialogue: 0,0:29:08.96,0:29:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have called for to speak.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.68,0:29:15.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hope we're gonna try and get through
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.52,0:29:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as many of them as possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:17.02,0:29:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Commissioner, these are the\Nfolks who helped to push
Dialogue: 0,0:29:19.16,0:29:20.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and move this ordinance.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.16,0:29:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We really hope you can\Nstay as long as you can
Dialogue: 0,0:29:21.86,0:29:22.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to hear them, also.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:22.90,0:29:25.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm looking forward to\Nworking with the folks
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.28,0:29:26.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the community.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:26.84,0:29:28.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wonderful, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:28.13,0:29:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Joy.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:31.09,0:29:31.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do I?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:34.76,0:29:36.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:36.37,0:29:38.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, wonderful, Joy.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:38.20,0:29:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The floor is yours.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:39.52,0:29:43.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If you could take about\Nthree minutes or no more.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:43.74,0:29:44.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sounds good.
Dialogue: 0,0:29:44.95,0:29:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you so much madam chair Edwards,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:47.07,0:29:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,members of the committee\Non government operations
Dialogue: 0,0:29:50.26,0:29:53.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and members of the Boston City Council
Dialogue: 0,0:29:53.39,0:29:55.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the opportunity to testify today,
Dialogue: 0,0:29:55.87,0:29:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am the founder of the\NAlgorithmic Justice League
Dialogue: 0,0:29:58.36,0:30:00.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and an algorithmic bias researcher.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.88,0:30:02.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've conducted MIT study
Dialogue: 0,0:30:02.84,0:30:05.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,showing some of the\Nlargest recorded gender
Dialogue: 0,0:30:05.42,0:30:09.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and racial biases in AI\Nsystems sold by companies,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:09.35,0:30:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including IBM, Microsoft and Amazon.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.61,0:30:15.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As you've heard the deployment\Nof facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,0:30:15.13,0:30:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and related technologies
Dialogue: 0,0:30:17.12,0:30:19.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has major civil rights implications.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:19.04,0:30:21.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These tools also have\Ntechnical limitations
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.40,0:30:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that further amplify\Nharms for black people,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:24.37,0:30:27.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,indigenous people, other\Ncommunities of color,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:27.48,0:30:31.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,women, the elderly, those\Nwith dementia and Parkinson's,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.29,0:30:35.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,youth trans and gender\Nnon-conforming individuals.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:35.61,0:30:37.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In one test I ran,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:37.05,0:30:41.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amazon's AI even failed on\Nthe face of Oprah Winfrey,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:41.31,0:30:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,labeling her male.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.12,0:30:46.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Personally, I've had to resort\Nto wearing a white mask,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:46.36,0:30:50.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to have my dark skin detected\Nby some of this technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.55,0:30:52.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but given mass surveillance applications,
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.73,0:30:55.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not having my face\Ndetected can be a benefit.
Dialogue: 0,0:30:55.94,0:30:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We do not need to look to China
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.92,0:31:00.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to see this technology\Nbeing used for surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:31:00.27,0:31:03.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of protesters with little\Nto no accountability,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:03.13,0:31:06.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and too often in violation of\Nour civil and human rights,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:06.85,0:31:09.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including first amendment\Nrights of freedom of expression,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:09.86,0:31:12.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,association, and assembly.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:13.27,0:31:14.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the tech works,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.33,0:31:16.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can't forget about\Nthe cost of surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.77,0:31:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in other contexts it can fail
Dialogue: 0,0:31:18.90,0:31:20.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the failures can be harmful.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:20.66,0:31:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Misidentifications can\Nlead to false arrest
Dialogue: 0,0:31:23.70,0:31:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and accusations.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:25.13,0:31:28.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In April 2019, a brown university senior
Dialogue: 0,0:31:28.16,0:31:31.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was misidentified as a terrorist suspect
Dialogue: 0,0:31:31.57,0:31:34.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Sri Lanka Easter bombings.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:34.46,0:31:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,he police eventually\Ncorrected the mistake,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.36,0:31:38.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but she still received death threats.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:38.47,0:31:41.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Mistaken identity is more\Nthan an inconvenience.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:41.67,0:31:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And she's not alone, in the UK,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:44.00,0:31:47.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the faces of over 2,400 innocent people
Dialogue: 0,0:31:47.15,0:31:50.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were stored by the police\Ndepartment without their consent.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:50.74,0:31:52.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The department reported
Dialogue: 0,0:31:52.05,0:31:55.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a false positive identification\Nrate of over 90%.
Dialogue: 0,0:31:56.94,0:32:00.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the U.S. there are no\Nreporting requirements
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.30,0:32:03.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generally speaking, so\Nwe're operating in the dark.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:03.61,0:32:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Further, these tools\Ndo not have to identify
Dialogue: 0,0:32:05.50,0:32:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unique basis to be harmful.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:07.50,0:32:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And investigation reported
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.90,0:32:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that IBM equipped the NYP
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.20,0:32:13.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with tools to search for people in video,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.37,0:32:15.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by facial hair and skin tone.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:15.70,0:32:17.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In short, these tools can be used
Dialogue: 0,0:32:17.21,0:32:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to automate racial profiling.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.44,0:32:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The company recently came out
Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.12,0:32:22.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to denounce the use of these tools
Dialogue: 0,0:32:22.77,0:32:25.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for mass surveillance and profiling.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:25.24,0:32:29.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IBM's moved to stop selling\Nfacial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.58,0:32:32.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,underscores it's dangerous.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:32.31,0:32:34.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Due to the consequences of failure,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.34,0:32:36.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've focused my MIT research
Dialogue: 0,0:32:36.43,0:32:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the performance of\Nfacial analysis systems.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:39.21,0:32:42.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I found that for the task\Nof gender classification,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:42.06,0:32:44.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,IBM, Microsoft and Amazon
Dialogue: 0,0:32:44.61,0:32:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had air rates of no more\Nthan 1% for lighter skin men.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.79,0:32:49.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the worst case,
Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.10,0:32:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these rates were to over\N30% for darker skin women.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:54.08,0:32:57.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Subsequent government\Nstudies compliment this work.
Dialogue: 0,0:32:57.23,0:33:01.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They show that continued air\Ndisparities in facial analysis
Dialogue: 0,0:33:01.01,0:33:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other tasks, including\Nface recognition.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:03.68,0:33:07.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The latest government\Nstudy of 189 algorithms,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:07.86,0:33:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,revealed consequential racial gender
Dialogue: 0,0:33:10.56,0:33:13.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and age bias in many of\Nthe algorithms tested.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.96,0:33:16.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Still, even if air rates improve,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.05,0:33:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the capacity for abuse, lack of oversight
Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.90,0:33:22.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and deployment limitations\Npost too great a risk.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.77,0:33:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Given known harms, the city of Boston
Dialogue: 0,0:33:25.08,0:33:28.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should ban government\Nuse of face surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:28.15,0:33:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I look forward to\Nanswering your questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:30.04,0:33:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for the opportunity to testify.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:33.60,0:33:34.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much
Dialogue: 0,0:33:34.62,0:33:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to correct my horrible\Nmispronunciation of your name.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:39.50,0:33:42.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Would you mind saying your\Nfull name for the record again?
Dialogue: 0,0:33:42.77,0:33:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure, my name is Joy Buolamwini.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:45.60,0:33:47.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much Joy.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:47.14,0:33:49.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna now turn over\Nto My'Kel McMillen,
Dialogue: 0,0:33:49.96,0:33:51.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a youth advocate.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:51.70,0:33:55.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm also gonna set the\Nclock three minutes, My'Kel.
Dialogue: 0,0:33:59.80,0:34:01.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,God afternoon madam chair,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:01.22,0:34:03.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good afternoon city councilor,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:03.19,0:34:04.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good afternoon everybody else.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:06.01,0:34:09.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is My'Kel McMillen,\NI'm a youth advocate
Dialogue: 0,0:34:10.28,0:34:13.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm also an organizer [indistinct]\Nwhich is from the east.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:15.69,0:34:17.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just want to talk about on a little bit
Dialogue: 0,0:34:17.00,0:34:20.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about what's going on within\Nthe streets of Boston.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.77,0:34:23.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For centuries black folks
Dialogue: 0,0:34:23.69,0:34:25.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been the Guinea pig in America,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:25.78,0:34:27.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from experiments with our bodies
Dialogue: 0,0:34:27.15,0:34:29.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the strain on our communities,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:29.19,0:34:31.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it seems [indistinct]
Dialogue: 0,0:34:31.99,0:34:35.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do I agree police are as involved?
Dialogue: 0,0:34:35.20,0:34:37.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, there are no longer\Ncatching us glaze,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.37,0:34:39.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but catching poor black and brown folks.
Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.73,0:34:43.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On January, so I wanna\Ntalk about three years ago,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:43.96,0:34:46.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,roughly January around 2017,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:46.98,0:34:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there were residents from my\Nneighborhood that came up to me
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.98,0:34:54.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they asking a drone\Nflying into the area
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.49,0:34:56.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they asked numerous times
Dialogue: 0,0:34:56.84,0:34:59.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and nobody could figure out\Nwho was flying the drone,
Dialogue: 0,0:34:59.20,0:35:01.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's controlling it.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:01.48,0:35:04.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so upon receiving his information,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:04.47,0:35:07.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I live across the street\Nfrom a soda company,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:07.40,0:35:09.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and later on that night,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:09.06,0:35:10.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I seen officers playing with a drone
Dialogue: 0,0:35:10.94,0:35:13.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I ended up taking the\Nphotos of their drone.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:13.12,0:35:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it kind of jogged my memory back
Dialogue: 0,0:35:14.32,0:35:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this was a drone
Dialogue: 0,0:35:16.17,0:35:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that lots of residents in my neighborhood
Dialogue: 0,0:35:18.46,0:35:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had seen and talked about.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:20.00,0:35:21.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That no one knew who was flying the drone.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:21.92,0:35:24.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It comes to my knowledge,\Nit was the police.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:24.20,0:35:26.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So with doing some research
Dialogue: 0,0:35:26.59,0:35:28.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reaching out to a friend over at ACLU
Dialogue: 0,0:35:29.94,0:35:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we try to follow up\Na public records request,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:32.80,0:35:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which we were denied our first time,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:34.68,0:35:35.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then eventually got it,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:35.94,0:35:40.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the Boston police has\Nspent the amount of $17,500
Dialogue: 0,0:35:41.06,0:35:42.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on three police drones.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:42.83,0:35:45.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And nobody knew about it from\Ncity council to the public.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:45.90,0:35:48.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was kind of kept secret
Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.05,0:35:50.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there was no committee oversight.
Dialogue: 0,0:35:50.93,0:35:53.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And these drones were flying illegally
Dialogue: 0,0:35:53.70,0:35:57.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the side of a neighborhood\Nand the breach of privacy,
Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.93,0:36:02.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The not knowing what\Ninformation was being collected,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:05.39,0:36:07.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what was being stored,\Nhow it was being stored
Dialogue: 0,0:36:07.84,0:36:10.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that really scared a lot\Nof folks in my neighborhood
Dialogue: 0,0:36:10.22,0:36:12.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to the point that a lot\Nof them didn't wanna speak up
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.49,0:36:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of past experience\Nof dealing with abuse
Dialogue: 0,0:36:15.48,0:36:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and being harassed.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:17.02,0:36:18.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody wanted that backlash,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:18.91,0:36:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but at the same time,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:20.76,0:36:22.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to be as residents
Dialogue: 0,0:36:22.16,0:36:25.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have to empower one\Nanother and have to speak up.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:25.76,0:36:29.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sometimes it has to\Nbe somebody regardless
Dialogue: 0,0:36:29.93,0:36:33.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it's myself or another individual,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:33.34,0:36:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to hold people accountable.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:35.08,0:36:37.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And something that Monica\NCandace, who's another activist,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.97,0:36:39.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accountability has no colors to another,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:39.97,0:36:43.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regardless if you're white,\Nblack in a blue uniform,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:43.18,0:36:44.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you still have to be held accountable.
Dialogue: 0,0:36:44.74,0:36:46.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then just to see that\Nno one was held accountable
Dialogue: 0,0:36:46.86,0:36:48.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was a scary thing,
Dialogue: 0,0:36:48.48,0:36:50.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it kind of just [indistinct]
Dialogue: 0,0:36:53.89,0:36:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nobody ever gets caught accountable
Dialogue: 0,0:36:55.33,0:36:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because our voices are muffled by money
Dialogue: 0,0:36:58.84,0:37:03.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or just a knee in the neck,\Nrest in peace to George Floyd.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:03.78,0:37:05.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is it for my time, thank you all.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:05.62,0:37:08.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:08.51,0:37:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Perfect testimony.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:09.83,0:37:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I really appreciate you\Nspeaking from the heart,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:11.76,0:37:13.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from your own experience
Dialogue: 0,0:37:13.45,0:37:16.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also demonstrating how you've actually
Dialogue: 0,0:37:16.03,0:37:18.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had conversation for accountability
Dialogue: 0,0:37:18.42,0:37:19.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through your leadership.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:19.74,0:37:21.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I wanna thank you for that.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:21.81,0:37:25.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Up next we have Karina Hem
Dialogue: 0,0:37:25.16,0:37:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Student Immigrant Movement.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:27.27,0:37:30.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Three minutes, Karina.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:30.23,0:37:31.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi everyone.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:31.66,0:37:34.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you everyone for joining\Nus today at this hearing,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:34.97,0:37:36.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my name is Karina Hem,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:36.22,0:37:38.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm the field organizer
Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.06,0:37:39.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the Student Immigrant Movement.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:39.23,0:37:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to also thank our partners
Dialogue: 0,0:37:41.38,0:37:43.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who've been working on the\Nfacial recognition ban,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:43.73,0:37:46.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,city councilors, Michelle\NWu, Ricardo Arroyo,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:46.58,0:37:49.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Andrea Campbell, Kim Janey.\NAnnesa Essaibi George,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:49.23,0:37:51.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,along with ACLU of Massachusetts,
Dialogue: 0,0:37:51.17,0:37:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Muslim Justice League\Nand Unafraid Educators.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:53.74,0:37:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So SIM is a statewide\Ngrassroots organization
Dialogue: 0,0:37:55.78,0:37:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by and for the undocumented youth.
Dialogue: 0,0:37:58.30,0:38:01.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We work closely with our\Nmembers or our young people
Dialogue: 0,0:38:01.33,0:38:03.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to create trusting and\Nempowering relationships.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:03.91,0:38:06.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At SIM we fight for the\Npermanent protection
Dialogue: 0,0:38:06.47,0:38:08.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of our undocumented\Nyouth and their families
Dialogue: 0,0:38:08.42,0:38:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through collective action.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:09.83,0:38:11.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of the major role of the work
Dialogue: 0,0:38:11.57,0:38:13.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the organizing that we do,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:13.23,0:38:15.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to challenge these systems\Nthat continue to exploit
Dialogue: 0,0:38:15.87,0:38:17.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and disenfranchise the undocumented
Dialogue: 0,0:38:18.99,0:38:19.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and immigrant communities.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:19.82,0:38:21.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I am here on behalf of SIM
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.90,0:38:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to support the ban on facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,0:38:23.20,0:38:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's another system,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:24.68,0:38:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's another tool that will intentionally
Dialogue: 0,0:38:26.50,0:38:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be used against marginalized community.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:28.89,0:38:30.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the undocumented immigrant community
Dialogue: 0,0:38:30.90,0:38:33.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not mutually exclusive\Nto one particular group.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:33.44,0:38:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have transgender people,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:35.54,0:38:37.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,black, Latina, exmuslim,\Npeople with disabilities,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:37.55,0:38:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's so intersectional.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:39.20,0:38:42.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so the stakes for getting\Nthis identified are high
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.35,0:38:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this creates a dangerous situation
Dialogue: 0,0:38:44.28,0:38:45.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people who are undocumented.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:45.26,0:38:47.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And these programs are\Nmade to accurately identify
Dialogue: 0,0:38:47.44,0:38:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,white adult males, living\Nblack and brown folks
Dialogue: 0,0:38:49.50,0:38:53.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at risk on top of living\Nin marginalized community.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.14,0:38:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so many of the\Nyoung people I work with
Dialogue: 0,0:38:55.08,0:38:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are students who are in college
Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.70,0:38:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and many are still in high school.
Dialogue: 0,0:38:58.40,0:39:00.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Face surveillance technology\Nis not meant for children,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:00.64,0:39:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's not meant for the young people
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.52,0:39:04.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and law enforcement already uses it
Dialogue: 0,0:39:04.04,0:39:07.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to monitor the youth in places\Nlike Lockport, New York.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:07.46,0:39:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Their face surveillance system
Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.61,0:39:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been adopted in their school district,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:10.78,0:39:12.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they've already spent\Nover a million dollars
Dialogue: 0,0:39:12.65,0:39:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the system.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:13.48,0:39:14.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you ask yourself,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:14.42,0:39:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what is exactly the intent\Nto have these surveillance?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:16.80,0:39:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you still have the\Nright to their privacy
Dialogue: 0,0:39:19.40,0:39:22.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and have the right to live\Nwithout constant infringement
Dialogue: 0,0:39:22.02,0:39:24.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and interference of law enforcement.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:24.06,0:39:25.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If another city allows facial surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:39:25.92,0:39:27.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in their schools to happen,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:27.66,0:39:29.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the chance of that occurring\Nhere is high as well
Dialogue: 0,0:39:29.74,0:39:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we do not ban facial\Nrecognition in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:32.33,0:39:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we believe this because the youth,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:33.96,0:39:34.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the undocumented youth,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:34.95,0:39:37.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are already not\Nprotected in their schools,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:37.56,0:39:38.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,school disciplinary reports,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:38.95,0:39:42.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which currently have no guideline\Nprotocol or clear criteria
Dialogue: 0,0:39:42.28,0:39:44.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on what exactly school officers can write
Dialogue: 0,0:39:44.19,0:39:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are sent to the superintendent\Nand their designee
Dialogue: 0,0:39:46.73,0:39:49.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to sign off and sent to the\NBoston Police Department.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:49.01,0:39:52.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And still we've seen that\Nsome of these reports
Dialogue: 0,0:39:52.40,0:39:53.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually go straight to\Nthe police department
Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.23,0:39:54.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with no oversight.
Dialogue: 0,0:39:55.06,0:39:56.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so this endangers the\Nlife of immigrant youth,
Dialogue: 0,0:39:56.55,0:39:59.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because Boston Police\NDepartments share information
Dialogue: 0,0:39:59.18,0:40:02.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and databases with agencies like I.C.E.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:02.06,0:40:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it creates a gateway to imprisonment
Dialogue: 0,0:40:03.68,0:40:05.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and deportation from any\Nof these young folks.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:05.76,0:40:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so adding facial\Nsurveillance into schools
Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.80,0:40:10.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the city would be used\Nagainst those same students
Dialogue: 0,0:40:10.59,0:40:11.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are already at risk
Dialogue: 0,0:40:11.67,0:40:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for being separated from their community.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:14.17,0:40:15.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know that black and brown youth
Dialogue: 0,0:40:15.34,0:40:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experience depression every day,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:18.46,0:40:19.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they already are deemed\Nsuspicious by law enforcement
Dialogue: 0,0:40:20.79,0:40:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on their skin color\Nand the clothes they wear,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.88,0:40:23.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the people they interact with in more.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:23.87,0:40:25.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so adding facial recognition,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:25.50,0:40:28.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's not even accurate to\Nsurveil our youth and families
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.07,0:40:32.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will just be used to justify\Ntheir arrests or deportation.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:32.54,0:40:35.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And through the policing system,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:35.35,0:40:36.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were already asking for police officers
Dialogue: 0,0:40:36.46,0:40:37.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to engage with the youth in ways
Dialogue: 0,0:40:37.87,0:40:40.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are just harmful to\Nthe youth development.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:40.53,0:40:45.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The city of Boston needs to\Nstop criminalizing young folks,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:45.18,0:40:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether they engage in\Ncriminal activity or not,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:47.56,0:40:49.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,arresting them will not get\Nto the root of the problem.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:49.98,0:40:51.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are so many options
Dialogue: 0,0:40:51.13,0:40:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are much safer and\Nmore secure for our youth,
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.74,0:40:56.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the families and their futures.
Dialogue: 0,0:40:56.07,0:40:58.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Banning facial recognition\Nwould meet law enforcement
Dialogue: 0,0:40:58.02,0:41:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has one less tool to\Ncriminalize our youth.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:00.66,0:41:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks so much everyone.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:02.98,0:41:04.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:04.69,0:41:09.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Commissioner, I understand\Ntime it'd be of the essence,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:09.06,0:41:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm really hoping you can\Nstay till about 4:15, 4:30,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:15.40,0:41:18.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,please, please.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:21.69,0:41:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can stay until four, that's it.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:25.22,0:41:29.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have to go at four, that long.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:30.44,0:41:33.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, so-
Dialogue: 0,0:41:34.83,0:41:35.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I appreciate everyone's testimony as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:35.90,0:41:37.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a team we're taking notes.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:37.83,0:41:41.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I don't think when I go\Nthat no one's taking notes.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:41.94,0:41:43.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We would really wanna meet again
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.51,0:41:45.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and discuss on this technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:46.75,0:41:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that there are some councilors
Dialogue: 0,0:41:48.27,0:41:50.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have some clarifying questions
Dialogue: 0,0:41:50.53,0:41:53.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we have three more people to speak.
Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.10,0:41:56.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I am begging you, please,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:56.87,0:41:59.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you can at least get\Nto the lead sponsors,
Dialogue: 0,0:41:59.55,0:42:01.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,councilor Wu and councilor Arroyo.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:03.44,0:42:07.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That'll be three, six, nine, 10.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:07.67,0:42:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That'd be probably 20 more minutes.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:09.40,0:42:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A little after four.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:11.24,0:42:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.\NA little close for me.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:14.44,0:42:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Gross laughs]
Dialogue: 0,0:42:15.48,0:42:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're trying, we're trying.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:17.10,0:42:18.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand, I understand, go ahead.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:18.70,0:42:22.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, Kade.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:22.14,0:42:24.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.17,0:42:25.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Kade Crawford.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:25.31,0:42:27.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am the director of the\NTechnology for Liberty Program
Dialogue: 0,0:42:27.79,0:42:29.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the ACLU of Massachusetts.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:29.46,0:42:31.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chair Edwards, members of the committee
Dialogue: 0,0:42:31.93,0:42:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and members of the city council,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.22,0:42:34.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you all for the opportunity
Dialogue: 0,0:42:34.75,0:42:36.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to speak on this crucial issue today.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.97,0:42:40.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are obviously in the midst\Nof a massive social upheaval
Dialogue: 0,0:42:40.75,0:42:43.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as people across Boston and the nation
Dialogue: 0,0:42:43.13,0:42:46.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,demand that we ensure black lives matter
Dialogue: 0,0:42:46.01,0:42:48.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by shifting our budget\Npriorities away from policing
Dialogue: 0,0:42:48.65,0:42:51.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and incarceration and\Ntowards government programs
Dialogue: 0,0:42:51.43,0:42:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that lift people up instead\Nof holding them back.
Dialogue: 0,0:42:54.06,0:42:56.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And people are outraged\Nbecause for too long
Dialogue: 0,0:42:56.85,0:42:59.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,police departments have\Nbeen armed to the teeth
Dialogue: 0,0:42:59.25,0:43:02.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and equipped with military\Nstyle surveillance technologies,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:02.54,0:43:04.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like the ones that My'Kel just referenced.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:04.97,0:43:08.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even as our schools lack\Nthe most basic needs,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:08.34,0:43:11.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like functioning water\Nfountains, nurses and counselors.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:11.46,0:43:13.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even now during this pandemic,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:13.62,0:43:16.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as our healthcare providers\Nlack the PPE they need
Dialogue: 0,0:43:16.69,0:43:18.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to protect themselves and us,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:18.88,0:43:21.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but our government cannot continue to act
Dialogue: 0,0:43:23.06,0:43:24.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as if it is at war with its residents,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:24.81,0:43:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,waging counter-insurgency surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:43:25.96,0:43:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and control operations,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:27.98,0:43:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particularly in black\Nand brown neighborhoods
Dialogue: 0,0:43:29.72,0:43:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and against black and brown people.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:32.56,0:43:35.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We must act, we must not merely\Nspeak to change our laws,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:35.71,0:43:37.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ensure we are building a free,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:37.99,0:43:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just an equitable future\Nfor all people in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:41.62,0:43:42.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that said,
Dialogue: 0,0:43:42.66,0:43:45.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,banning face surveillance\Nin Boston is a no-brainer.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:45.52,0:43:47.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is one small but vital piece
Dialogue: 0,0:43:47.64,0:43:50.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this larger necessary transformation.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:50.78,0:43:52.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Face surveillance is\Ndangerous when it works
Dialogue: 0,0:43:52.84,0:43:54.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when it doesn't.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:54.26,0:43:56.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Banning this technology in Boston now
Dialogue: 0,0:43:56.18,0:43:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not an academic issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:43:58.26,0:44:00.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Indeed the city already uses technology
Dialogue: 0,0:44:00.97,0:44:02.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that with one mere software upgrade
Dialogue: 0,0:44:02.90,0:44:06.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could blanket Boston in the\Nkind of dystopian surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:44:06.63,0:44:09.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,currently practiced by\Nauthoritarian regimes
Dialogue: 0,0:44:09.05,0:44:10.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in China and Russia.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:10.63,0:44:11.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as Joyce said,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:11.88,0:44:14.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even some cities right\Nhere in the United States.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:14.85,0:44:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boston has to strike a different path
Dialogue: 0,0:44:17.16,0:44:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by protecting privacy, racial justice,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:19.76,0:44:21.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and first amendment rights.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:21.37,0:44:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We must ban this technology now,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:23.80,0:44:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before it creeps into our\Ngovernment, in the shadows,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:26.90,0:44:29.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with no democratic control or oversight
Dialogue: 0,0:44:29.41,0:44:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as it has in countless other cities,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:31.68,0:44:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,across the country and across the world.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:34.12,0:44:37.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So today you already\Nheard from pretty much
Dialogue: 0,0:44:37.34,0:44:38.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the world renowned expert
Dialogue: 0,0:44:38.76,0:44:41.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on racial and gender bias\Nand facial recognition.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:41.26,0:44:44.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much Joy\Nfor being with us today,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:44.08,0:44:46.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your work blazed a trail\Nand showed the world
Dialogue: 0,0:44:46.29,0:44:49.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that yes, algorithms\Ncan in fact be racist.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:49.15,0:44:50.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You also heard from my My'Kel McMillen,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:50.89,0:44:53.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a young Boston and resident\Nwho has experienced firsthand,
Dialogue: 0,0:44:53.93,0:44:55.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what draconian surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:44:55.26,0:44:57.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with no accountability looks like.
Dialogue: 0,0:44:57.53,0:44:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Karina Ham from the\NStudent Immigrant Movement
Dialogue: 0,0:44:59.88,0:45:02.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,spoke to the need to\Nkeep face surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:45:03.85,0:45:05.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of our public schools,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:05.27,0:45:06.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where students deserve to be\Nable to learn without fear.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:06.89,0:45:09.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're gonna hear a\Nsimilar set of sentiments
Dialogue: 0,0:45:09.70,0:45:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from Erik Berg of the\NBoston Teachers Union
Dialogue: 0,0:45:12.10,0:45:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and shortly medical doctor\Nand infectious disease expert,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:15.05,0:45:16.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Joshua Barocas will testify
Dialogue: 0,0:45:16.71,0:45:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to how this technology in Boston,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:18.93,0:45:21.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would inevitably undermine trust
Dialogue: 0,0:45:21.37,0:45:22.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,among the most vulnerable people
Dialogue: 0,0:45:22.93,0:45:24.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seeking medical care and help.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:24.78,0:45:27.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Obviously that's the last\Nthing that we need to do,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:27.32,0:45:29.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially during a pandemic.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:29.46,0:45:32.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For too long in Boston,\Ncity agencies have acquired
Dialogue: 0,0:45:32.51,0:45:34.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and deployed invasive\Nsurveillance technologies
Dialogue: 0,0:45:34.91,0:45:37.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with no public debate, transparency,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:37.53,0:45:39.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accountability or oversight.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:39.46,0:45:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In most cases, these technologies,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:41.25,0:45:43.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which as My'Kel said, include drones,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:43.18,0:45:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also license plate readers,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:45.36,0:45:48.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,social media surveillance,\Nvideo analytics software
Dialogue: 0,0:45:48.47,0:45:51.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and military style cell\Nphone spying devices,
Dialogue: 0,0:45:51.10,0:45:52.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,among many others.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:52.53,0:45:54.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These were purchased and deployed
Dialogue: 0,0:45:54.35,0:45:58.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without the city council's\Nknowledge, let alone approval.
Dialogue: 0,0:45:58.09,0:45:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have seen this routine play out
Dialogue: 0,0:45:59.89,0:46:03.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over and over and over for years.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:03.23,0:46:06.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a problem with all\Nsurveillance technologies,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:06.23,0:46:08.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it is especially unacceptable
Dialogue: 0,0:46:08.54,0:46:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a technology as dangerous
Dialogue: 0,0:46:10.14,0:46:12.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and dystopian as face surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:12.25,0:46:14.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is not an exaggeration to say that
Dialogue: 0,0:46:14.54,0:46:15.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,face surveillance would,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:15.59,0:46:18.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we allow it destroy privacy
Dialogue: 0,0:46:18.10,0:46:20.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and anonymity in public space.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:20.49,0:46:22.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Face surveillance technology
Dialogue: 0,0:46:22.27,0:46:25.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,paired with a thousands of\Nnetwork surveillance cameras
Dialogue: 0,0:46:25.43,0:46:27.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already installed throughout the city,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:27.61,0:46:30.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would enable any official\Nwith access to the system
Dialogue: 0,0:46:30.85,0:46:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to automatically catalog the movements,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:33.64,0:46:38.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,habits and associations of\Nall people at all times,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:38.28,0:46:40.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,merely with the push of a button.
Dialogue: 0,0:46:40.98,0:46:43.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is technology that\Nwould make it trivial
Dialogue: 0,0:46:43.73,0:46:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the government to\Nblackmail public officials
Dialogue: 0,0:46:46.50,0:46:48.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for seeking substance use treatment,
Dialogue: 0,0:46:48.41,0:46:50.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or to identify whistleblowers
Dialogue: 0,0:46:50.05,0:46:51.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are speaking to the Boston Globe
Dialogue: 0,0:46:51.87,0:46:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in its most routine manifestation
Dialogue: 0,0:46:54.52,0:46:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to supercharge existing police harassment
Dialogue: 0,0:46:57.36,0:46:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and surveillance of\Nblack and brown residents
Dialogue: 0,0:46:59.94,0:47:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,merely because of the color of their skin
Dialogue: 0,0:47:02.20,0:47:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and where they live.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:03.86,0:47:05.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Using face recognition tech,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:05.77,0:47:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the police could very easily\Ntake photos or videos of people
Dialogue: 0,0:47:09.49,0:47:12.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at any of these Black Lives\NMatter demonstrations,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:12.63,0:47:15.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,run those images through\Na computer program
Dialogue: 0,0:47:15.10,0:47:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and automatically populate a list
Dialogue: 0,0:47:17.36,0:47:19.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of each person who attended
Dialogue: 0,0:47:19.10,0:47:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to express their first amendment rights
Dialogue: 0,0:47:21.01,0:47:22.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to demand racial justice.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:22.87,0:47:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The police could also\Nask a computer program
Dialogue: 0,0:47:25.52,0:47:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to automatically populate\Na list of every person
Dialogue: 0,0:47:27.88,0:47:31.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who walked down a specific\Non any given morning
Dialogue: 0,0:47:31.01,0:47:33.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and share that information with I.C.E.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:33.01,0:47:34.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It could also be used
Dialogue: 0,0:47:34.03,0:47:36.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to automatically alert law enforcement,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:36.19,0:47:38.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whenever a specific person passes
Dialogue: 0,0:47:38.02,0:47:40.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by a specific surveillance\Ncamera anywhere in the city.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:40.95,0:47:43.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, there are\Nthousands of these cameras
Dialogue: 0,0:47:43.15,0:47:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with more going up each week.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:45.36,0:47:47.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, so we're, I'm so sorry.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:47.91,0:47:50.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're over the three minutes.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:50.75,0:47:51.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, over the three minutes,
Dialogue: 0,0:47:51.83,0:47:53.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm I...
Dialogue: 0,0:47:53.97,0:47:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I have two more people\Nplus trying to get this.
Dialogue: 0,0:47:57.09,0:48:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm just letting you\Nknow if you could summarize.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:00.83,0:48:02.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right, I'm almost done, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:02.61,0:48:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry, chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:03.96,0:48:06.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'll just skip to the end and say,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:06.35,0:48:08.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're at a fork in the road right now,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:08.69,0:48:12.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Joy said, you know, major corporations,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:12.52,0:48:14.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including IBM and Google are now declining
Dialogue: 0,0:48:14.67,0:48:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to sell this technology\Nand that's for good reason,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:17.23,0:48:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the real\Npotential for grave human
Dialogue: 0,0:48:19.88,0:48:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and civil rights abuses.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:21.66,0:48:23.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We the people, if we live in a democracy
Dialogue: 0,0:48:23.89,0:48:25.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and need to be in the driver's seat
Dialogue: 0,0:48:25.37,0:48:26.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of determining
Dialogue: 0,0:48:26.35,0:48:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether we will use these technologies.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:28.54,0:48:31.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can either continue\Nwith business as usual,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:31.15,0:48:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,allowing governments to adopt
Dialogue: 0,0:48:32.72,0:48:35.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and deploy these technologies\Nunchecked in our communities,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:35.63,0:48:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our streets, in our schools,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:37.46,0:48:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or we can take bold\Naction now to press pause
Dialogue: 0,0:48:41.34,0:48:43.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the government's\Nuse of this technology,
Dialogue: 0,0:48:43.41,0:48:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to protect our privacy
Dialogue: 0,0:48:44.96,0:48:48.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to build a safer fewer\Nfreer future for all of us.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:50.27,0:48:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So please, I encourage the city council
Dialogue: 0,0:48:51.23,0:48:54.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to join us by supporting\Nthis crucial ordinance
Dialogue: 0,0:48:54.01,0:48:55.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with your advocacy and with your vote
Dialogue: 0,0:48:55.62,0:48:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I thank you all for\Nyour public service.
Dialogue: 0,0:48:58.16,0:49:01.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much,\NErik Berg, three minutes.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:02.58,0:49:04.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:04.38,0:49:06.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'll get right to the\Npoint in the interest of time.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:06.43,0:49:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you to the council
Dialogue: 0,0:49:07.62,0:49:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for taking this up and for\Nallowing this time today.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:09.83,0:49:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm here to speak today
Dialogue: 0,0:49:11.34,0:49:13.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on behalf of the Boston Teachers Union
Dialogue: 0,0:49:13.11,0:49:16.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our over 10,000 members\Nin support of the ordinance,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:16.29,0:49:19.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,banning facial recognition\Ntechnology in Boston
Dialogue: 0,0:49:19.21,0:49:22.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was presented by\Ncouncilors Wu and Arroyo.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:22.31,0:49:24.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We strongly oppose the\Nuse of this technology
Dialogue: 0,0:49:24.56,0:49:26.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our public schools.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:26.05,0:49:28.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boston public schools\Nshould be safe environments
Dialogue: 0,0:49:28.31,0:49:29.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for students to learn,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:29.46,0:49:31.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explore their identities\Nand intellect and play.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:31.79,0:49:35.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Face surveillance technology\Nthreatens that environment.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:35.58,0:49:38.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The technology also threatens\Nthe rights of our BTU members,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:38.53,0:49:39.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who must be able to go to work
Dialogue: 0,0:49:39.70,0:49:41.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without fearing that their every movement,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:41.49,0:49:44.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,habit and association will\Nbe tracked and cataloged.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:44.71,0:49:46.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To our knowledge,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:46.22,0:49:48.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this technology is not\Nin use in our schools,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:48.49,0:49:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we've already witnessed\Nsome experimenting with it.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:50.81,0:49:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although it was unclear\Nif it was authorized.
Dialogue: 0,0:49:53.50,0:49:55.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two summers ago, members of\Nthe Boston Teachers Union,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:55.82,0:49:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who were working in the summer program,
Dialogue: 0,0:49:58.15,0:49:59.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,contacted the union to let us know
Dialogue: 0,0:49:59.01,0:50:00.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they were being asked to sign in
Dialogue: 0,0:50:00.73,0:50:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using an app called Tinder\Nwith face recognition features.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:05.06,0:50:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the central office
Dialogue: 0,0:50:05.90,0:50:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't seem to know about this program,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:07.42,0:50:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to this day,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:08.25,0:50:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't know how it came about.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:09.94,0:50:11.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,While the district quickly stopped
Dialogue: 0,0:50:11.37,0:50:13.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using the photo portion of this app
Dialogue: 0,0:50:13.01,0:50:15.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and informed the union that\Nall photos have been deleted,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:15.82,0:50:17.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this incident is indicative
Dialogue: 0,0:50:17.45,0:50:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of how easy it is for private\Nsecurity or HR companies
Dialogue: 0,0:50:20.76,0:50:23.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to sell a technology to a\Nwell-intentioned principal
Dialogue: 0,0:50:23.75,0:50:26.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or superintendent who\Nmay not have expertise
Dialogue: 0,0:50:26.35,0:50:27.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the tech field.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:28.61,0:50:31.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Face surveillance in schools\Ntransforms all students
Dialogue: 0,0:50:31.33,0:50:33.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and their family members,\Nas well as employees
Dialogue: 0,0:50:33.35,0:50:35.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into perpetual suspects,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:35.43,0:50:37.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where each and every\None of their movements
Dialogue: 0,0:50:37.28,0:50:39.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be automatically monitored.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:39.49,0:50:41.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The use of this technology\Nin public schools
Dialogue: 0,0:50:41.51,0:50:43.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will negatively impact students' ability
Dialogue: 0,0:50:43.49,0:50:46.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to explore new ideas,\Nexpress their creativity,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:46.48,0:50:48.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and engage in student dissent
Dialogue: 0,0:50:48.45,0:50:50.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and especially disturbing prospect
Dialogue: 0,0:50:50.21,0:50:51.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,given the current youth led protests
Dialogue: 0,0:50:51.93,0:50:53.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against police violence.
Dialogue: 0,0:50:53.95,0:50:55.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even worse, as we've heard,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:55.37,0:50:58.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the technology is frequently\Nbiased and inaccurate,
Dialogue: 0,0:50:58.17,0:50:59.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which raises concerns
Dialogue: 0,0:50:59.30,0:51:01.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about its use to police students of color,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:01.75,0:51:04.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,academic peer reviewed studies,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:04.21,0:51:06.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,show face surveillance algorithms
Dialogue: 0,0:51:06.14,0:51:08.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are too often racially based,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:08.35,0:51:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particularly against black women
Dialogue: 0,0:51:10.04,0:51:14.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with inaccuracy rates up to\N35% for that demographic.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:14.27,0:51:16.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know black and brown students
Dialogue: 0,0:51:16.28,0:51:19.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are more likely to be punished\Nfor perceived misbehavior.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:19.55,0:51:21.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Face surveillance will only perpetuate
Dialogue: 0,0:51:21.36,0:51:23.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and reproduce this situation.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:24.36,0:51:25.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When used to monitor children,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:25.99,0:51:28.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this technology fails\Nin an essential sense
Dialogue: 0,0:51:28.41,0:51:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it has difficulty
Dialogue: 0,0:51:29.94,0:51:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accurately identifying young\Npeople as their faces change.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:33.41,0:51:36.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Research that tested five top performing
Dialogue: 0,0:51:36.64,0:51:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,commercial off the shelf\Nface recognition systems
Dialogue: 0,0:51:39.92,0:51:42.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shows there's a negative bias\Nwhen they're used on children,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:42.86,0:51:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they perform poor on\Nchildren than on adults.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:45.60,0:51:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's because these systems are modeled
Dialogue: 0,0:51:48.00,0:51:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the use of adult faces
Dialogue: 0,0:51:49.36,0:51:50.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and children look different from adults
Dialogue: 0,0:51:50.90,0:51:52.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in such a way they can not be considered,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:52.59,0:51:54.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're simply scaled down versions.
Dialogue: 0,0:51:56.08,0:51:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On top of this face,
Dialogue: 0,0:51:57.84,0:52:00.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance technology regularly
Dialogue: 0,0:52:00.48,0:52:01.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,misgenders transgender people,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:01.71,0:52:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and will have a harmful impact
Dialogue: 0,0:52:03.06,0:52:05.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on transgender young\Npeople in our schools.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:05.77,0:52:08.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Research shows that\Nautomatic gender recognition
Dialogue: 0,0:52:08.36,0:52:12.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consistently views gender\Nin a trans exclusive way.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:12.01,0:52:14.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And consequently carries\Ndisproportionate risk
Dialogue: 0,0:52:14.40,0:52:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for trans people subject to it.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:17.16,0:52:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At a time when transgender children
Dialogue: 0,0:52:18.72,0:52:21.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are being stripped of their\Nrights at a national level,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:21.16,0:52:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boston must protect transgender\Nkids in our schools.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:25.17,0:52:27.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Moreover, face surveillance in schools
Dialogue: 0,0:52:27.89,0:52:29.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will contribute to the\Nschool to prison pipeline,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:29.62,0:52:30.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,threatening children's welfare,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:30.99,0:52:34.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,educational opportunities\Nand life trajectories.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:34.04,0:52:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Already, children from\Nmarginalized communities
Dialogue: 0,0:52:36.50,0:52:38.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are too often funneled\Nout of public schools
Dialogue: 0,0:52:38.62,0:52:41.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and into the juvenile and\Ncriminal justice systems -
Dialogue: 0,0:52:41.95,0:52:44.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will inevitable this pipeline.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:44.71,0:52:47.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll get right to the end.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:47.99,0:52:49.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finally, face surveillance technology
Dialogue: 0,0:52:49.83,0:52:51.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will harm immigrant families.
Dialogue: 0,0:52:51.94,0:52:53.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this political climate,
Dialogue: 0,0:52:53.07,0:52:55.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,immigrants are already\Nfearful of engagement
Dialogue: 0,0:52:55.09,0:52:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with public institutions
Dialogue: 0,0:52:57.21,0:52:58.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and face surveillance systems
Dialogue: 0,0:52:58.64,0:53:01.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would further chill student\Nand parent participation
Dialogue: 0,0:53:01.28,0:53:03.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in immigrant communities in our schools,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:03.32,0:53:05.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boston schools must be\Nwelcoming and safe spaces
Dialogue: 0,0:53:05.93,0:53:07.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for all families.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:07.38,0:53:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The city of Boston must take action now
Dialogue: 0,0:53:09.36,0:53:11.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ensure children and BTU workers
Dialogue: 0,0:53:11.06,0:53:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are not subject to this unfair,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:13.00,0:53:15.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,biased and chilling scrutiny.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:15.26,0:53:16.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In order to protect young people
Dialogue: 0,0:53:16.58,0:53:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in our educational community,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:18.00,0:53:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we must stop face surveillance\Nin schools before it begins.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:21.54,0:53:23.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much for your attention
Dialogue: 0,0:53:23.50,0:53:25.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and your consideration.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:25.15,0:53:27.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:27.09,0:53:28.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're getting there,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:28.81,0:53:30.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very, very close commissioner I promise.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:30.05,0:53:31.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just one more person.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:31.29,0:53:33.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then the two people who specifically said
Dialogue: 0,0:53:33.44,0:53:36.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they had some questions,\Nwe'll go right to them.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:36.03,0:53:39.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Joshua Barocas
Dialogue: 0,0:53:40.50,0:53:43.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, I will read quickly.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:43.97,0:53:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First of all, thanks for allowing me
Dialogue: 0,0:53:45.24,0:53:48.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to testify today regarding\Nthis important issue.
Dialogue: 0,0:53:48.44,0:53:50.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I should say that the views
Dialogue: 0,0:53:50.65,0:53:52.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I'm expressing today are my own
Dialogue: 0,0:53:52.13,0:53:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and don't necessarily\Nrepresent those of my employer,
Dialogue: 0,0:53:54.96,0:53:57.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but that said I'm an\Ninfectious disease physician
Dialogue: 0,0:53:57.79,0:54:00.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and an addictions\Nresearcher here in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:00.62,0:54:03.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As such, I spend a large\Nmajority of my time working
Dialogue: 0,0:54:03.78,0:54:06.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on solutions to improve\Nthe health and wellbeing
Dialogue: 0,0:54:06.46,0:54:08.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of vulnerable populations,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:08.07,0:54:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including people who are\Nexperiencing homelessness,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:10.46,0:54:12.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people with substance use disorders.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:12.60,0:54:16.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One thing that we know\Nis that stigma and bias
Dialogue: 0,0:54:17.64,0:54:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are pervasive throughout our community
Dialogue: 0,0:54:18.71,0:54:22.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and lead to disparities and\Ncare for these populations.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:22.07,0:54:24.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These disparities were laid bare
Dialogue: 0,0:54:24.54,0:54:28.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and exacerbated by the\Nongoing COVID-19 pandemic.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:28.84,0:54:31.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, we're all searching for answers
Dialogue: 0,0:54:31.05,0:54:34.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on how to best protect\Nourselves from this virus,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:34.01,0:54:37.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I truly fear that the use of\Nfacial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,0:54:37.53,0:54:41.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will only serve to exacerbate\Nexisting disparities,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:41.26,0:54:44.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including those of racial,\Ngender and socioeconomic.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:44.93,0:54:48.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we use this very nascent\Nand imperfect technology
Dialogue: 0,0:54:48.28,0:54:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to track individuals, I'm concerned
Dialogue: 0,0:54:50.32,0:54:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it will only serve\Nthe marginalized people
Dialogue: 0,0:54:53.24,0:54:55.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and worse in health outcomes.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:55.17,0:54:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've heard about the low accuracy rates.
Dialogue: 0,0:54:57.66,0:54:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know about systemic racism,
Dialogue: 0,0:54:59.89,0:55:01.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a public health issue
Dialogue: 0,0:55:01.36,0:55:04.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's fueled by stigma\Nbias and misinformation.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:04.65,0:55:08.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Additionally, Boston\Nprovides expansive services
Dialogue: 0,0:55:08.53,0:55:11.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for substance use disorders,\Nincluding methadone treatment,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:11.73,0:55:16.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's imperative that we\Nban facial recognition software
Dialogue: 0,0:55:16.81,0:55:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ensure that people seeking
Dialogue: 0,0:55:18.16,0:55:21.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,substance use disorder\Ntreatment and mental health care
Dialogue: 0,0:55:23.25,0:55:25.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,among other stigmatized health\Nservices may do so privately
Dialogue: 0,0:55:25.65,0:55:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and without fear.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:27.87,0:55:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we allow this on many\Nof our public cameras,
Dialogue: 0,0:55:30.78,0:55:32.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would enable the government
Dialogue: 0,0:55:32.35,0:55:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to automatically compile lists of people
Dialogue: 0,0:55:34.52,0:55:37.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seeking treatment for\Nsubstance use mental health
Dialogue: 0,0:55:37.67,0:55:41.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as I said, other stigmas\Nstigmatized health conditions.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:41.47,0:55:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This would have a chilling effect
Dialogue: 0,0:55:44.17,0:55:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and disproportionately affect
Dialogue: 0,0:55:48.27,0:55:50.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our most vulnerable populations.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:50.69,0:55:55.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll stop there and ask that\Nwe consider banning this.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:58.35,0:55:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:55:59.50,0:56:00.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna turn it over.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:02.15,0:56:05.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I misspoke earlier the lead\Nsponsor, there's Michelle Wu,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:05.81,0:56:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and she mentioned that she has\Nto move along very quickly.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:09.83,0:56:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I wanted to, if it's\Nokay, councilor Arroyo,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:11.93,0:56:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna go ahead and go\Nto councilor Wu real quick,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:15.12,0:56:16.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for specific questions.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:16.54,0:56:18.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your good!\NYeah, absolutely.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:18.66,0:56:19.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Councilor Wu.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:19.92,0:56:21.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:21.18,0:56:22.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And thank you so much commissioner
Dialogue: 0,0:56:22.77,0:56:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for making the time to be here.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:24.38,0:56:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We all know how many demands\Nthere are in your time.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:27.46,0:56:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And now we're asking for even\Nmore than you had alluded.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:29.24,0:56:32.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So very, very grateful that it means a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:56:32.34,0:56:35.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you took the time and\Nare the one at this hearing.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:35.81,0:56:38.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I also wanna note that you\Nwere the one at the hearing
Dialogue: 0,0:56:38.82,0:56:40.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in June, 2018 as well.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:40.52,0:56:43.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we know that you've been\Npart of this conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:56:43.08,0:56:46.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and supportive of this\Ngeneral idea for a long time.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:46.61,0:56:48.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So just to clarify on\Nsome of what you said,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:48.66,0:56:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you mentioned that you,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:51.44,0:56:53.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you referenced the technology upgrades,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:53.68,0:56:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that some current vendors\Nthat BPD works with
Dialogue: 0,0:56:55.46,0:56:57.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have for face surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,0:56:57.67,0:56:58.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So just to clarify,
Dialogue: 0,0:56:58.50,0:57:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has BPD upgraded to the next\Nversion of that software
Dialogue: 0,0:57:01.86,0:57:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're just choosing
Dialogue: 0,0:57:03.26,0:57:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not to use the facial\Nrecognition components of it,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:06.80,0:57:08.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or has the upgrade not been accepted
Dialogue: 0,0:57:08.59,0:57:10.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it includes facial recognition?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:11.47,0:57:13.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To my knowledge, we have not upgraded,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:13.37,0:57:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we anticipate that we will have to,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:15.83,0:57:19.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we will not be using any components
Dialogue: 0,0:57:19.19,0:57:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of facial recognition.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:20.97,0:57:25.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I guess the technology\Njust isn't efficient enough -
Dialogue: 0,0:57:26.46,0:57:29.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When do you think the\Nupgrade would likely happen?
Dialogue: 0,0:57:30.70,0:57:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, I will get back to you.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:32.53,0:57:34.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And trust me, I wanna\Nhave a further meeting
Dialogue: 0,0:57:36.08,0:57:38.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I can have my subject\Nmatter experts here.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:38.24,0:57:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm gonna tick through,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:40.47,0:57:41.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause I wanna try to get you out of here
Dialogue: 0,0:57:41.88,0:57:42.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as quick as possible.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:42.71,0:57:43.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Secondly, so you drew a distinction
Dialogue: 0,0:57:43.99,0:57:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between face surveillance systems
Dialogue: 0,0:57:46.70,0:57:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and facial recognition technology.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:48.86,0:57:50.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So just to clarify,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:50.13,0:57:53.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does BPD, we don't use that.
Dialogue: 0,0:57:53.62,0:57:55.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You don't own it right now
Dialogue: 0,0:57:55.31,0:57:56.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because you haven't done that upgrade,
Dialogue: 0,0:57:56.71,0:58:01.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but does BPD work with other\Nstate or federal entities
Dialogue: 0,0:58:02.65,0:58:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that have face surveillance
Dialogue: 0,0:58:04.68,0:58:06.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or facial recognition technology?
Dialogue: 0,0:58:06.19,0:58:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you ever use the\Nresults of that technology
Dialogue: 0,0:58:08.82,0:58:10.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on any sort of databases?
Dialogue: 0,0:58:10.27,0:58:12.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To answer you more accurately,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:12.16,0:58:15.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would have to find out.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:15.67,0:58:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe the state police
Dialogue: 0,0:58:17.92,0:58:20.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does have some form of facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,0:58:20.80,0:58:22.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and maybe the registry to.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:22.95,0:58:24.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, the registry of motor vehicles.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:24.90,0:58:26.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:26.56,0:58:29.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so when state police or
Dialogue: 0,0:58:29.94,0:58:31.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'll find out more potentially BPD
Dialogue: 0,0:58:31.74,0:58:34.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,works with the RMB to\Nrun matches of photos
Dialogue: 0,0:58:34.97,0:58:36.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against their database.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:36.28,0:58:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you need any sort of warrants
Dialogue: 0,0:58:38.30,0:58:40.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or other approvals to do that before,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:40.41,0:58:42.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for let's say the state?
Dialogue: 0,0:58:45.24,0:58:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I used to be part of\Nthe Bureau of Investigative
Dialogue: 0,0:58:48.27,0:58:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Services, to my knowledge,
Dialogue: 0,0:58:49.82,0:58:53.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's only utilized to help\Nassist in photo arrays.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:53.72,0:58:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So nothing past that.
Dialogue: 0,0:58:58.15,0:59:00.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, could you just clarify\Nwhat you mean by that?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:00.79,0:59:03.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you a victim of a crime
Dialogue: 0,0:59:03.18,0:59:05.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we don't have that\Nperson under arrest,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:05.01,0:59:07.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what do we do have a potential suspect?
Dialogue: 0,0:59:07.47,0:59:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to pick,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:08.83,0:59:10.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you were allowed the opportunity
Dialogue: 0,0:59:10.91,0:59:15.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to try to identify the\Nsuspect of the crime.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:15.38,0:59:16.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so to be fair,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:16.89,0:59:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ensure that no innocent\Nperson is selected,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:23.30,0:59:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you put the suspects picture
Dialogue: 0,0:59:27.28,0:59:30.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,along with several other suspects pictures
Dialogue: 0,0:59:30.02,0:59:31.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up to seven or more,
Dialogue: 0,0:59:31.25,0:59:33.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then you see if\Nthe victim of the crime
Dialogue: 0,0:59:33.73,0:59:37.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can pick the suspect\Nout of that photo array.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:38.41,0:59:41.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, and so the RMB\Nuses the face recognition
Dialogue: 0,0:59:41.71,0:59:43.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to provide those burdens.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:43.49,0:59:47.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanna give you an accurate answer.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:47.21,0:59:52.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So again, in our next meeting,\Nyou'll have your answer.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:53.01,0:59:53.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,0:59:56.75,0:59:59.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you aware of any state\Nor federal regulations
Dialogue: 0,0:59:59.83,1:00:03.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that provide any sort\Nof kind of restrictions
Dialogue: 0,1:00:03.74,1:00:05.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or reigning in guidance when it comes
Dialogue: 0,1:00:06.19,1:00:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to facial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,1:00:07.68,1:00:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or face surveillance systems?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:10.26,1:00:11.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nope.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:11.23,1:00:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, and so given the absence\Nof guidelines right now
Dialogue: 0,1:00:15.50,1:00:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the federal state or city level
Dialogue: 0,1:00:17.02,1:00:20.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the need to upgrade and\Nthe use by state police,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:20.67,1:00:22.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example, are you supportive,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:22.96,1:00:25.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're hearing you loud and clear
Dialogue: 0,1:00:25.05,1:00:25.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you'd like to have\Nfurther conversation,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:25.89,1:00:28.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we just wanna get your opinion now,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:28.10,1:00:30.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are you supportive of a city level ban
Dialogue: 0,1:00:30.97,1:00:34.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until there are policies\Nin place potentially,
Dialogue: 0,1:00:34.81,1:00:38.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at other levels or\Nspecifically at the city level
Dialogue: 0,1:00:38.83,1:00:41.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to reign in surveillance overall?
Dialogue: 0,1:00:41.31,1:00:42.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, I am.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:42.32,1:00:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been clear for four years.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:44.96,1:00:46.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need your input, your guidance.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:46.77,1:00:49.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I thank you to everyone\Nthat testified today.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:49.29,1:00:51.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a team taking notes
Dialogue: 0,1:00:51.36,1:00:54.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I didn't forget\Nthat I'm African-American
Dialogue: 0,1:00:54.16,1:00:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I could be misidentified as well.
Dialogue: 0,1:00:56.60,1:01:00.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I believe that we have\None of the most diversified
Dialogue: 0,1:01:00.43,1:01:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,populations in the history of our city.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:03.02,1:01:06.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we do have to be fair to everyone
Dialogue: 0,1:01:06.19,1:01:08.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is a citizen of Boston.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:08.47,1:01:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't want anyone misidentified.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:10.96,1:01:15.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again we will work with everyone here
Dialogue: 0,1:01:15.15,1:01:18.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this is how we will be educated.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:18.09,1:01:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, we're very grateful for your time.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:20.20,1:01:21.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna see to the co-sponsor.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:21.81,1:01:22.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:23.85,1:01:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, actually, is that fine chair?
Dialogue: 0,1:01:27.96,1:01:31.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just wanna thank you commissioner
Dialogue: 0,1:01:31.21,1:01:34.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for supporting the facial\Nrecognition surveillance ban
Dialogue: 0,1:01:34.64,1:01:37.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for taking the time to\Nbe here for the questions.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:37.35,1:01:39.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Councilor Wu asked many of them,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:39.21,1:01:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have one specific one which is,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:41.50,1:01:45.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has the BPD used facial\Nrecognition in the past,
Dialogue: 0,1:01:45.10,1:01:46.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in any capacity?
Dialogue: 0,1:01:47.53,1:01:49.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, not to my knowledge.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:49.35,1:01:53.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I will review that, but\Nnot to my knowledge at all.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:53.23,1:01:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And BRC, does BRC have access
Dialogue: 0,1:01:57.89,1:01:58.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to facial recognition techniques?
Dialogue: 0,1:01:58.72,1:01:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nope, not at all.
Dialogue: 0,1:01:59.79,1:02:03.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We don't use it and I\Nanticipated that question
Dialogue: 0,1:02:03.17,1:02:06.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we make sure that\Nwe're not a part of any,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:06.64,1:02:09.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BRC does not have facial recognition.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:09.23,1:02:11.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, I think every other question
Dialogue: 0,1:02:11.42,1:02:13.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I had for you today\Nwas asked by councilor Wu.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:13.83,1:02:15.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I just thank you for\Ntaking the time to be here
Dialogue: 0,1:02:15.54,1:02:18.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for supporting this, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:18.10,1:02:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, and before I go,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:19.44,1:02:22.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the record, nothing\Nhas changed in my opinion
Dialogue: 0,1:02:22.50,1:02:24.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from four years ago,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:24.34,1:02:26.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until this technology\Nis a hundred percent,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:26.57,1:02:28.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not interested in it.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:29.64,1:02:33.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even when it is a hundred percent,
Dialogue: 0,1:02:33.51,1:02:35.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you've committed to a\Nconversation about it?
Dialogue: 0,1:02:35.97,1:02:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Absolutely, we discussed that before.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:38.00,1:02:39.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That you have.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:39.61,1:02:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not something that\Nyou can just implement.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:43.30,1:02:45.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[crosstalk]
Dialogue: 0,1:02:47.19,1:02:51.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's important that we also get\Nthe input from the community
Dialogue: 0,1:02:53.14,1:02:54.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we serve and work in partnership
Dialogue: 0,1:02:56.58,1:02:59.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we can of course have\Na better quality of life.
Dialogue: 0,1:02:59.15,1:03:03.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And hat's inclusive of everyone's\Nexpectation of privacy.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:03.09,1:03:04.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So before you go,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:04.69,1:03:09.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna do this one call out\Nthe panelists that just spoke
Dialogue: 0,1:03:10.04,1:03:11.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or to any city councilors.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:11.45,1:03:13.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One question that you may\Nhave for the commissioner
Dialogue: 0,1:03:13.97,1:03:16.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you need to ask,\Ndo any of you have that?
Dialogue: 0,1:03:17.88,1:03:22.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do either Joy, My'Kel,\NKarina, Kade, Erik, Joshua,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:23.72,1:03:25.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or to the other city councilors.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:25.01,1:03:26.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm trying to be mindful of his time
Dialogue: 0,1:03:26.53,1:03:28.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I also understand
Dialogue: 0,1:03:28.73,1:03:31.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you guys also gave time\Nto be here today as well.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:31.48,1:03:35.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if you wanted to ask him\Nrepresenting BPD a question.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:35.24,1:03:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see Julia Mejia has raised her hand,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:39.15,1:03:40.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the panelists though,
Dialogue: 0,1:03:40.54,1:03:42.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who just spoke any questions?
Dialogue: 0,1:03:43.24,1:03:46.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna go now to my\Ncolleagues to ask one question.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:46.49,1:03:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that allows for him to go.
Dialogue: 0,1:03:48.69,1:03:50.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, councilor Mejia
Dialogue: 0,1:03:52.09,1:03:56.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, I just wanted to quickly\Nthank commissioner Gross
Dialogue: 0,1:03:56.14,1:03:59.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for your time and just\Nyour steadfast leadership.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:00.45,1:04:03.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I do have just a quick\Nquestion before you go.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:03.67,1:04:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just need some clarity,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:05.11,1:04:07.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that you mentioned that\Nyou hope to keep this hearing
Dialogue: 0,1:04:07.19,1:04:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the topic of the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,1:04:08.40,1:04:12.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and find other ways to adjust\Nissues of police relations.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:12.16,1:04:14.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a lot of people draw the direct link
Dialogue: 0,1:04:14.56,1:04:16.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,1:04:16.77,1:04:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and relationships with the community.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:18.16,1:04:19.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you see that link?
Dialogue: 0,1:04:20.59,1:04:22.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And can you talk about\Nhow the police department
Dialogue: 0,1:04:22.10,1:04:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sees that link?
Dialogue: 0,1:04:23.88,1:04:24.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm just really curious about
Dialogue: 0,1:04:24.90,1:04:28.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how do we build relationships\Nwith the community
Dialogue: 0,1:04:28.69,1:04:31.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while also thinking\Nabout facial recognition?
Dialogue: 0,1:04:31.12,1:04:32.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like, how do you reconcile that?
Dialogue: 0,1:04:32.54,1:04:33.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can answer that,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:35.02,1:04:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the information I was given before
Dialogue: 0,1:04:36.66,1:04:41.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we were going to\Ndiscuss many subjects.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:41.12,1:04:44.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I thank you for\Neliminating this one,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:44.61,1:04:47.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the only way you\Nincrease relationships
Dialogue: 0,1:04:47.26,1:04:49.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the community is to have
Dialogue: 0,1:04:49.46,1:04:51.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hold hard discussions like this one.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:51.54,1:04:56.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to listen to the\Npeople that you serve,
Dialogue: 0,1:04:56.01,1:04:58.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because everyone throws around
Dialogue: 0,1:04:58.59,1:04:59.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the moniker community policing.
Dialogue: 0,1:04:59.76,1:05:01.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe that's become jaded.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:01.68,1:05:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I've created a bureau\Nof community engagement
Dialogue: 0,1:05:05.02,1:05:07.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that we can have these discussions.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:07.48,1:05:09.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, I don't forget my history.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:09.61,1:05:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I haven't forgotten my history.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:11.60,1:05:15.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I came on in 1983 and I've\Ngone through a lot of racism,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:15.67,1:05:20.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was in a tough neighborhood growing up,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:20.00,1:05:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I didn't forget any of that.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:21.70,1:05:25.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as you alluded to earlier,\Nsome of the city councilors,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:25.46,1:05:27.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm always in the street\Ntalking to people,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:27.91,1:05:32.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I get a lot of criticism of\Nlaw enforcement in general,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:32.08,1:05:35.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I believe in if you\Nwant change, be the change,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:35.54,1:05:37.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can only change with the people.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:37.61,1:05:42.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I am looking forward\Nto further conversation
Dialogue: 0,1:05:43.41,1:05:47.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to listening to testimony\Non how we can improve
Dialogue: 0,1:05:47.17,1:05:48.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our community relations,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:48.78,1:05:53.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially not only throwing\Nthe time civil unrest,
Dialogue: 0,1:05:53.57,1:05:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we're in the middle\Nof a pandemic as well.
Dialogue: 0,1:05:56.24,1:05:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so police departments
Dialogue: 0,1:05:58.44,1:06:01.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should not be separated\Nfrom the community.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:01.47,1:06:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to have empathy,\Nsympathy, care and respect.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:04.85,1:06:06.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of people have lost jobs,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:06.98,1:06:10.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we must keep in mind\Nabout socioeconomics,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:10.08,1:06:14.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fairness for employment.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:14.41,1:06:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A lot of those things
Dialogue: 0,1:06:16.26,1:06:20.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,directly affect the\Nneighborhoods of color.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:20.17,1:06:22.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm glad that we are increasing
Dialogue: 0,1:06:22.52,1:06:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our diversity in the communities.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:24.32,1:06:27.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we currently currently\Nhave organizations in Boston
Dialogue: 0,1:06:27.55,1:06:29.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that directly speaks to the people.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:29.55,1:06:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Latino Law Enforcement Organization,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:32.33,1:06:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Cabo Verde Police Associations,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:34.28,1:06:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Benevolent Asian Jade Society.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:39.47,1:06:42.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our department is increasing in diversity,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:42.77,1:06:44.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the benefit of that,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:44.81,1:06:47.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the benefit of having representation
Dialogue: 0,1:06:47.25,1:06:49.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from every neighborhood we serve,
Dialogue: 0,1:06:49.62,1:06:52.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that it will improve relationships.
Dialogue: 0,1:06:52.21,1:06:54.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So again, that's why I'm looking forward
Dialogue: 0,1:06:54.55,1:06:57.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a working session and\Nmy team is taking notes
Dialogue: 0,1:06:57.39,1:07:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because everybody's everybody's\Ntestimony is important.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:02.12,1:07:05.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Trust me, people like you that worked hard
Dialogue: 0,1:07:05.84,1:07:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for everyone's rights.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:06.81,1:07:07.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wouldn't be here
Dialogue: 0,1:07:07.71,1:07:10.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as the first African-American\Npolice commissioner,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:10.34,1:07:11.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we didn't have folks
Dialogue: 0,1:07:11.63,1:07:15.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that exercise their\NFirst Amendment Rights.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:17.08,1:07:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, commissioner Gross,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:17.98,1:07:19.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a clarifying question.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:19.55,1:07:22.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then I just wanted to note,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:22.02,1:07:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this impacts the staying in.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:24.68,1:07:28.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for folks who,\Ncommissioner Gross has alluded
Dialogue: 0,1:07:28.15,1:07:29.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a working session,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:29.09,1:07:31.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just to give some clarification\Nfor those watching,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:31.72,1:07:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is when we actually get down
Dialogue: 0,1:07:33.15,1:07:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the language of the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,1:07:35.55,1:07:38.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and work down to the\Ncomments is what I say
Dialogue: 0,1:07:38.19,1:07:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and how to do that.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:39.80,1:07:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so what commissioner Gross is asking
Dialogue: 0,1:07:41.20,1:07:44.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we have that conversation\Nwithin the next 60 days,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:44.07,1:07:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I'm fine with doing that,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:45.30,1:07:47.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll just check with the lead sponsors.
Dialogue: 0,1:07:47.41,1:07:49.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I did wanna make sure I understood
Dialogue: 0,1:07:49.79,1:07:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what in terms of timing is\Ngoing on with the contract,
Dialogue: 0,1:07:52.48,1:07:57.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is BPD entering into a contract\Nthat has this technology?
Dialogue: 0,1:07:57.20,1:07:58.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was a timing issue
Dialogue: 0,1:07:58.53,1:08:01.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I thought was warranting this hearing
Dialogue: 0,1:08:01.79,1:08:02.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening very fast.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:02.74,1:08:04.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe the lead sponsors could\Nalso answer this question.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:04.98,1:08:06.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was confused,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:06.36,1:08:09.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if someone could explain what was the...
Dialogue: 0,1:08:09.64,1:08:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a sense of urgency\Nthat I felt that I was meeting
Dialogue: 0,1:08:12.10,1:08:13.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm happy to meet it.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:13.66,1:08:17.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just if someone either, I\Nsaw you Kade, you nodded.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:17.35,1:08:21.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me just figure out what\Nthis contract issue is Kade.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:21.41,1:08:24.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure councilor, I'd be\Nhappy to address that.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:24.83,1:08:27.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We obtained public records\Nfrom the city a while back
Dialogue: 0,1:08:27.66,1:08:29.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,showing that the Boston Police Department
Dialogue: 0,1:08:31.15,1:08:32.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has a contract with a\Ncompany called BriefCam
Dialogue: 0,1:08:32.77,1:08:34.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that expired on May 14th.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:37.48,1:08:41.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the contract was for version\N4.3 of BriefCam software,
Dialogue: 0,1:08:41.39,1:08:44.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which did not include facial\Nsurveillance algorithms.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:44.63,1:08:47.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The current version of\NBriefCam's technology
Dialogue: 0,1:08:47.21,1:08:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does include facial\Nsurveillance algorithms.
Dialogue: 0,1:08:50.30,1:08:53.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so one of the reasons\Nthat the councilors
Dialogue: 0,1:08:53.13,1:08:55.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the advocacy groups\Nbehind this measure
Dialogue: 0,1:08:55.51,1:08:59.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were urging you chair\Nto schedule this quickly
Dialogue: 0,1:08:59.37,1:09:01.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is so that we could pass this ban fast
Dialogue: 0,1:09:01.23,1:09:02.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ensure that the city
Dialogue: 0,1:09:02.45,1:09:06.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does not enter into a contract\Nto upgrade that technology.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:07.48,1:09:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, commissioner Gross,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:09.28,1:09:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where are we on this contract?
Dialogue: 0,1:09:10.84,1:09:11.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yep and thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:11.85,1:09:13.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's exactly what I was gonna comment.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:13.98,1:09:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The older version of BriefCam
Dialogue: 0,1:09:15.58,1:09:17.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,did not have facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,1:09:17.59,1:09:20.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I believe that the newer version does.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:20.69,1:09:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BriefCam works on the old version
Dialogue: 0,1:09:25.62,1:09:27.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on condensing objects, cars,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:27.96,1:09:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I would definitely\Ncheck on that contract
Dialogue: 0,1:09:31.20,1:09:34.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I don't want any technology
Dialogue: 0,1:09:34.30,1:09:36.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,1:09:37.94,1:09:40.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's exactly what\Nwe were gonna check on
Dialogue: 0,1:09:40.17,1:09:45.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so my answer right\Nnow is no at this point.
Dialogue: 0,1:09:46.65,1:09:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've just read into testimony,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:50.04,1:09:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we obtain technology such as that,
Dialogue: 0,1:09:55.00,1:09:57.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I should be speaking to all of you
Dialogue: 0,1:09:57.51,1:09:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to what that entails,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:04.60,1:10:08.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we have BriefCam and\Nit has facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,1:10:08.37,1:10:10.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[indistinct] that allows\Nfor facial recognition, no.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:10.28,1:10:12.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if someone did, if we\Ndid go into a contract,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:12.11,1:10:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would I have the ability to show you
Dialogue: 0,1:10:14.91,1:10:18.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that portion that does\Nhave facial recognition,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:18.97,1:10:20.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that can be censored?
Dialogue: 0,1:10:20.83,1:10:24.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That that is not, excuse\Nme, poor choice of words
Dialogue: 0,1:10:24.43,1:10:26.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that that can be excluded.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:26.35,1:10:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I'm not comfortable\Nwith that contract
Dialogue: 0,1:10:29.34,1:10:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until I know more about it.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:31.00,1:10:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't want any part\Nof facial recognition.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:33.86,1:10:36.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But as I read into testimony,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:36.82,1:10:39.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the technology\Nthat's going forward now
Dialogue: 0,1:10:39.91,1:10:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in many fields is like,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:41.69,1:10:43.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hey we have facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,1:10:43.32,1:10:45.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm like not comfortable with that.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:45.65,1:10:50.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so BriefCam, yeah the old version,
Dialogue: 0,1:10:50.43,1:10:52.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we hardly ever used it.
Dialogue: 0,1:10:52.53,1:10:54.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there is discussion on the new version
Dialogue: 0,1:10:54.85,1:10:56.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm not comfortable
Dialogue: 0,1:10:56.59,1:10:58.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the facial recognition\Ncomponent of that.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:00.34,1:11:01.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:01.21,1:11:04.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And thank you very much\NKade for the background
Dialogue: 0,1:11:04.05,1:11:07.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and understanding both of\Nyou, and understanding.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:07.01,1:11:09.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I felt a sense to move\Nfast and I'm moving fast,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:09.64,1:11:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I was trying to make\Nsure I understood what for.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:12.32,1:11:14.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really do have to go.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:14.14,1:11:15.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:15.33,1:11:18.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you all for your input.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:18.34,1:11:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will there someone be taking\Nnotes or is there someone,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:23.32,1:11:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess Neil from the mayor's\Noffice will be taking notes.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:25.08,1:11:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I have my own team\Ntaking notes right now.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:28.00,1:11:30.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Excellent, thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:30.07,1:11:32.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for your testimony.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:32.23,1:11:34.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it weren't for\Nadvocates, such as everyone
Dialogue: 0,1:11:34.48,1:11:39.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on this Zoom call, I wouldn't\Nbe here in this capacity.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:39.92,1:11:40.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:41.94,1:11:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much commissioner.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:43.56,1:11:46.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you everyone take care.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:46.52,1:11:48.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,1:11:48.25,1:11:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we have a still a\Nrobust conversation to have
Dialogue: 0,1:11:52.32,1:11:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,amongst ourselves about the\Nlanguage, about the goals,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:56.56,1:11:59.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it goes far enough,\Nif anyone opposes this ban,
Dialogue: 0,1:11:59.71,1:12:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I want people to understand
Dialogue: 0,1:12:02.12,1:12:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if there is someone who\Ndisagrees with a lot of us,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:04.81,1:12:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this will be a respectful conversation
Dialogue: 0,1:12:06.81,1:12:09.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that person will be\Nwelcome to have their opinion
Dialogue: 0,1:12:09.34,1:12:11.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and express it as every single one of us
Dialogue: 0,1:12:11.82,1:12:12.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been able to do.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:13.66,1:12:14.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm gonna continue now,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:14.67,1:12:17.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a list of folks\Nwho have signed up to speak
Dialogue: 0,1:12:17.49,1:12:19.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm gonna continue down that list
Dialogue: 0,1:12:19.89,1:12:23.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and keep them to no\Nmore than three minutes
Dialogue: 0,1:12:24.47,1:12:26.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we're gonna open up.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:26.01,1:12:28.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, I'm so sorry, I apologize.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:28.37,1:12:31.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Before I go down a list,\NI know my councilor,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:31.29,1:12:33.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my colleagues also may\Nhave questions or concerns
Dialogue: 0,1:12:33.73,1:12:36.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or may wanna voice certain\Nthings about the legislation.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:36.38,1:12:37.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I apologize.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:37.79,1:12:38.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Lydia giggles]
Dialogue: 0,1:12:38.79,1:12:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm just so amped to get\Nto the public testimony.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:40.97,1:12:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm gonna go ahead and\Ngo in order of arrival,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:43.31,1:12:45.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the two lead sponsors have\Nasked questions already
Dialogue: 0,1:12:45.45,1:12:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the commissioner.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:47.04,1:12:49.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Did they have the councilor\NWu or councilor Arroyo
Dialogue: 0,1:12:49.58,1:12:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have any questions for the\Npanelists that just spoke?
Dialogue: 0,1:12:52.98,1:12:55.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If not, I'll move on\Nto my other colleagues.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:56.86,1:12:59.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MICHELLE: I'm happy to\Ndefer to colleagues,
Dialogue: 0,1:12:59.07,1:12:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,1:12:59.90,1:13:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very well, councilor Arroyo.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:01.90,1:13:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only question I would have,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:03.92,1:13:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is more to, I\Nthink Kade from the ACLU,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:06.80,1:13:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is whether or not she has any idea
Dialogue: 0,1:13:09.26,1:13:10.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we are on that contract.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:10.41,1:13:13.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,From what I heard from commissioner Gross,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:13.01,1:13:15.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it sounded like he couldn't confirm
Dialogue: 0,1:13:15.32,1:13:16.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the timeline for that contract,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:16.94,1:13:18.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether or not it's been\Nsigned or not signed,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:18.66,1:13:20.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what's going on with that contract.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:20.38,1:13:22.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does any panelists here\Nhave any information
Dialogue: 0,1:13:22.82,1:13:24.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on whether or not that contract is,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:24.91,1:13:26.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the status of that is?
Dialogue: 0,1:13:26.72,1:13:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thanks for the question, councilor Arroyo.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:28.76,1:13:29.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Regrettably no.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:29.96,1:13:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We filed a public records request
Dialogue: 0,1:13:32.40,1:13:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the Boston Police\NDepartment on May 14th,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:34.84,1:13:36.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that was about a month ago,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:36.40,1:13:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asking just for one simple document
Dialogue: 0,1:13:38.38,1:13:40.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the existing contract
Dialogue: 0,1:13:40.86,1:13:43.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the Boston Police\NDepartment has with BriefCam
Dialogue: 0,1:13:43.40,1:13:44.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they haven't sent it to us yet.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:44.99,1:13:49.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, and we've prided them\Nmultiple times about it,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:49.05,1:13:51.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including on Friday saying,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:51.15,1:13:51.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would be a real shame
Dialogue: 0,1:13:51.98,1:13:54.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we had to go to this hearing on Tuesday
Dialogue: 0,1:13:54.20,1:13:57.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without this information and\Nwe still haven't received it,
Dialogue: 0,1:13:57.13,1:13:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we do not.
Dialogue: 0,1:13:59.38,1:14:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:01.76,1:14:04.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That all councilor Arroyo?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:04.65,1:14:06.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very well, councilor Breadon.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:10.95,1:14:12.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:12.54,1:14:14.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This has been very informative,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:14.61,1:14:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very good questions from my colleagues.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:18.46,1:14:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One question I had was, other\Nagencies, federal agencies,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:24.27,1:14:26.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are they using facial recognition?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:26.15,1:14:29.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if they are they\Nsharing that information
Dialogue: 0,1:14:29.64,1:14:30.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with our police department?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:33.15,1:14:35.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Does anyone know the\Nanswer to that question?
Dialogue: 0,1:14:35.86,1:14:39.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can speak to that, Joy\NBuolomwini if you're still on,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:39.05,1:14:41.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you may wanna speak to some of those too.
Dialogue: 0,1:14:41.29,1:14:46.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the ACLU we nationwide have\Nbeen filing FOIAR requests,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:47.06,1:14:49.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Freedom of Information Act Requests
Dialogue: 0,1:14:49.36,1:14:51.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with various federal agencies
Dialogue: 0,1:14:51.38,1:14:53.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to learn about how the federal government
Dialogue: 0,1:14:55.02,1:14:56.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is using this technology\Nand how they're sharing
Dialogue: 0,1:14:57.87,1:14:59.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,information derived from the technology,
Dialogue: 0,1:14:59.19,1:15:00.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with state and local law enforcement.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:00.86,1:15:03.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know for example, that\Nin the city of Boston,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:03.18,1:15:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Boston Police Department works closely
Dialogue: 0,1:15:06.02,1:15:07.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not only with I.C.E,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:07.06,1:15:09.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which has been the subject\Nof much consternation
Dialogue: 0,1:15:09.26,1:15:11.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and debate before this body,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:11.47,1:15:12.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also with the FBI,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:12.90,1:15:15.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through something called the\NJoint Terrorism Task Force.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:15.100,1:15:17.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Boston Police Department
Dialogue: 0,1:15:17.21,1:15:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually has detectives\Nassigned to that JTTF unit,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:21.27,1:15:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who act as federal agents.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:23.14,1:15:25.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So one concern that we have is that
Dialogue: 0,1:15:25.34,1:15:27.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if the city of Boston banned
Dialogue: 0,1:15:27.22,1:15:29.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,face surveillance technology\Nfor city employees,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:29.100,1:15:32.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certainly it would be\Nthe case that the FBI
Dialogue: 0,1:15:32.86,1:15:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other federal agencies
Dialogue: 0,1:15:34.20,1:15:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be able to continue\Nto use this technology
Dialogue: 0,1:15:36.50,1:15:40.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and likely to share\Ninformation that comes from it
Dialogue: 0,1:15:40.15,1:15:42.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the Boston Police Department\Nand other city agencies.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:42.22,1:15:45.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unfortunately, there's\Nnothing we can do about that
Dialogue: 0,1:15:45.67,1:15:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the city level,
Dialogue: 0,1:15:46.84,1:15:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is why the ACLU
Dialogue: 0,1:15:48.69,1:15:50.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is also working with partners in congress
Dialogue: 0,1:15:50.99,1:15:53.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to try to address this level\Nat the federal level as well.
Dialogue: 0,1:15:56.21,1:15:57.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, that answered my question
Dialogue: 0,1:15:57.64,1:16:00.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you for your work\Non this very important issue.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:00.90,1:16:04.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Councilor, madam chair\Nthat's all the questions
Dialogue: 0,1:16:04.57,1:16:05.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have for now.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:06.27,1:16:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for very much, councilor Bok.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:08.28,1:16:10.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, Mejia.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:12.36,1:16:14.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm so sorry, councilor Bok.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:14.32,1:16:16.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you councilor Breadon.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:16.13,1:16:19.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next is councilor Bok, I apologize.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:19.23,1:16:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, thanks councilor Edwards.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:21.96,1:16:24.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My question was actually\Njust, it's for the panelists.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:24.80,1:16:27.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whoever wants to jump in,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:27.25,1:16:29.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the police commissioner\Nwas making a distinction
Dialogue: 0,1:16:29.59,1:16:32.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between facial surveillance\Nand facial recognition systems
Dialogue: 0,1:16:32.77,1:16:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what we might be banning or not.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:35.76,1:16:37.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm just wondering,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:37.41,1:16:39.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know the literature\Nin this world well enough
Dialogue: 0,1:16:39.14,1:16:41.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to know if that sort of a\Nstrong existing distinction,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:41.92,1:16:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether you think this piece\Nof legislation in front of us
Dialogue: 0,1:16:44.58,1:16:45.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bans one or the other,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:45.64,1:16:48.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether you think we should\Nbe making that distinction,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:48.60,1:16:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd just be curious for anybody\Nto weigh in on that front.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:51.40,1:16:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Got it, so when we hear the\Nterm facial recognition,
Dialogue: 0,1:16:55.02,1:16:58.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oftentimes what it\Nmeans it's not so clear.
Dialogue: 0,1:16:58.37,1:17:00.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so with the way the\Ncurrent bill is written,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:00.60,1:17:03.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it actually covers a wide range
Dialogue: 0,1:17:03.35,1:17:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of different kinds of facial\Nrecognition technologies.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:06.90,1:17:09.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I say technologies plural
Dialogue: 0,1:17:09.60,1:17:12.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to emphasize we're talking\Nabout different things.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:12.28,1:17:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for example, you have face recognition,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:15.28,1:17:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is about identifying\Na unique individual.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:18.21,1:17:20.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So when we're talking\Nabout face surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:20.72,1:17:22.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is the issue.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:22.21,1:17:25.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But you can also have facial analysis,
Dialogue: 0,1:17:25.14,1:17:27.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's guessing somebody's gender
Dialogue: 0,1:17:27.05,1:17:29.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or somebodies age or other systems
Dialogue: 0,1:17:29.27,1:17:32.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that might try to infer your\Nsexuality or your religion.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:32.90,1:17:34.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can still discriminate
Dialogue: 0,1:17:34.86,1:17:38.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if it's not\Ntechnically face recognition
Dialogue: 0,1:17:38.38,1:17:39.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the technical sense.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:39.85,1:17:42.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, it's important to have\Na really broad definition.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:42.74,1:17:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You also have face detection.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:44.40,1:17:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you think about weapon systems
Dialogue: 0,1:17:46.73,1:17:49.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you're just detecting\Nthe presence of a face
Dialogue: 0,1:17:49.26,1:17:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without saying a specific individual
Dialogue: 0,1:17:51.88,1:17:53.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can still be problematic.
Dialogue: 0,1:17:53.69,1:17:55.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You also have companies like Face Suction
Dialogue: 0,1:17:55.75,1:17:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that say, we can infer a criminality
Dialogue: 0,1:17:58.18,1:18:00.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just by looking at your face,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:00.03,1:18:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your potential to be a pedophile,\Na murderer, a terrorist.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:04.48,1:18:07.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And these are the kinds of systems
Dialogue: 0,1:18:07.01,1:18:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that companies are attempting\Nto sell law enforcement.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:09.87,1:18:12.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's crucial that any legislation
Dialogue: 0,1:18:12.57,1:18:13.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is being written,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:13.91,1:18:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has a sufficiently broad definition
Dialogue: 0,1:18:16.26,1:18:21.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a wide range of facial\Nrecognition technologies, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:18:21.45,1:18:24.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With the plural so that\Nyou don't get a loophole,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:26.28,1:18:27.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which says, oh, we're\Ndoing face identification
Dialogue: 0,1:18:27.74,1:18:31.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or face verification, which\Nfalls under recognition.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:31.10,1:18:33.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So everything we're doing\Nover here doesn't matter,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:33.91,1:18:34.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it does.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:34.90,1:18:36.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you so much for that question
Dialogue: 0,1:18:36.65,1:18:38.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this is an\Nimportant clarification.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:42.09,1:18:44.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Great, thanks so much.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:44.00,1:18:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Was there anybody else who\Nwanted to comment on that front?
Dialogue: 0,1:18:46.44,1:18:48.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, okay, great.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:48.07,1:18:50.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, that was really helpful Joy.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:50.08,1:18:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Madam chair, I'm mindful\Nof the public testimony,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:51.88,1:18:53.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so that'll be it for me.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:54.70,1:18:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much councilor Bok,
Dialogue: 0,1:18:55.57,1:18:56.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,councilor Mejia.
Dialogue: 0,1:18:58.50,1:19:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you again to the panelists
Dialogue: 0,1:19:00.94,1:19:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for educating us beforehand
Dialogue: 0,1:19:04.48,1:19:07.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and always sharing all of\Nthis amazing information
Dialogue: 0,1:19:07.90,1:19:11.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and data and research that\Ninforms our thinking every day.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:11.66,1:19:14.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am just curious
Dialogue: 0,1:19:14.22,1:19:18.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and at the same time a little bit worried
Dialogue: 0,1:19:18.72,1:19:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about, just kind of like,
Dialogue: 0,1:19:23.28,1:19:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how we can prevent this\Nfrom ever passing ever.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:27.68,1:19:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because it seems to me that
Dialogue: 0,1:19:30.72,1:19:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way it's been positioned\Nis that it's the right now,
Dialogue: 0,1:19:33.46,1:19:37.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it's not accurate,
Dialogue: 0,1:19:37.63,1:19:39.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm just curious what happened
Dialogue: 0,1:19:39.52,1:19:44.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you've seen other cities\Nor just even around the world
Dialogue: 0,1:19:44.99,1:19:46.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or any other incidences
Dialogue: 0,1:19:46.40,1:19:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where this has kind of slipped\Nin the radar and has passed.
Dialogue: 0,1:19:53.25,1:19:54.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know if I'm making\Nany sense here but...
Dialogue: 0,1:19:54.93,1:19:58.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Basically the bottom line is\Nwhat I'm trying to understand
Dialogue: 0,1:19:58.44,1:20:00.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that here we are standing firm
Dialogue: 0,1:20:00.78,1:20:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and banning facial recognition,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:03.56,1:20:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from what I understand at this point,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:06.88,1:20:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our commissioner is in agreement,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:10.78,1:20:13.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the issue of accuracy, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:20:13.91,1:20:16.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can we get ahead of this situation
Dialogue: 0,1:20:16.13,1:20:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a way that we can right this ordinance
Dialogue: 0,1:20:20.97,1:20:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ensure that regardless of\Nwhether or not it is accurate,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:25.58,1:20:26.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can still protect our residents.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:26.96,1:20:28.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do you get what I'm trying to say?
Dialogue: 0,1:20:28.67,1:20:31.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do councilor Mejia\Nand thank you for that.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:31.16,1:20:33.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can address that quickly.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:33.54,1:20:37.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The council can't bind\Nfuture city councils, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:20:37.71,1:20:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I agree with you.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:40.30,1:20:42.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think that this technology is dangerous,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:42.77,1:20:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it works or it doesn't.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:44.40,1:20:46.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that's why the city of Boston
Dialogue: 0,1:20:46.53,1:20:50.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ought to take the step to\Nban its use in government.
Dialogue: 0,1:20:50.09,1:20:52.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can promise you that as advocates,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:52.09,1:20:53.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we will show up to ensure
Dialogue: 0,1:20:53.90,1:20:56.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that these protections\Npersist in the city of Boston,
Dialogue: 0,1:20:56.68,1:20:59.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as long as I'm alive. [Kade laughs]
Dialogue: 0,1:20:59.09,1:21:02.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that's true of many\Nof my friends and colleagues
Dialogue: 0,1:21:02.79,1:21:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the advocacy space.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:04.80,1:21:07.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But some cities, some states
Dialogue: 0,1:21:07.43,1:21:08.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have considered approaches of
Dialogue: 0,1:21:08.65,1:21:10.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example passing a moratorium
Dialogue: 0,1:21:10.40,1:21:12.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that expires after a few years,
Dialogue: 0,1:21:12.87,1:21:14.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we did not choose that route here,
Dialogue: 0,1:21:14.79,1:21:17.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in fact because of our concerns
Dialogue: 0,1:21:17.18,1:21:19.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I think are identical to yours.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:19.24,1:21:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's our view that we should\Nnever wanna live in a society
Dialogue: 0,1:21:22.69,1:21:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the government can track us
Dialogue: 0,1:21:25.24,1:21:26.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through these surveillance cameras
Dialogue: 0,1:21:26.82,1:21:29.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by our face wherever we go\Nor automatically get alerts,
Dialogue: 0,1:21:29.49,1:21:31.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just because I happened\Nto walk past the camera
Dialogue: 0,1:21:31.31,1:21:32.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a certain neighborhood.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:32.20,1:21:33.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's a kind of surveillance
Dialogue: 0,1:21:33.48,1:21:36.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that should never exist in a free society.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:36.18,1:21:38.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we agree that it should\Nbe permanently banned.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:39.63,1:21:40.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for that.
Dialogue: 0,1:21:40.46,1:21:43.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then the other\Nquestion that I have is,
Dialogue: 0,1:21:43.71,1:21:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that, where the city council
Dialogue: 0,1:21:45.80,1:21:47.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all of the jurisdiction is all things
Dialogue: 0,1:21:47.96,1:21:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that deal with the city,
Dialogue: 0,1:21:49.57,1:21:54.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm just wondering\Nwhat if any examples
Dialogue: 0,1:21:54.49,1:21:55.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have you heard of other,
Dialogue: 0,1:21:55.54,1:21:57.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like maybe within the private sector
Dialogue: 0,1:21:57.73,1:22:02.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are utilizing or considering\Nto utilize this as a form?
Dialogue: 0,1:22:02.03,1:22:04.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is there anything, any\Ntraction or anything
Dialogue: 0,1:22:04.60,1:22:05.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we need to be mindful of?
Dialogue: 0,1:22:05.43,1:22:07.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Happening outside of city\Ngovernment, if you will.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:10.58,1:22:11.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Joy, do you wanna speak
Dialogue: 0,1:22:11.56,1:22:14.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to some of the commercial applications?
Dialogue: 0,1:22:14.30,1:22:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure, I'm so glad you're\Nasking this question
Dialogue: 0,1:22:17.06,1:22:19.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because facial recognition technologies
Dialogue: 0,1:22:19.03,1:22:22.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,broadly speaking are not\Njust in the government realm.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:22.99,1:22:27.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So right now, especially\Nwith the COVID pandemic,
Dialogue: 0,1:22:27.01,1:22:30.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're starting to see\Nmore people make proposals
Dialogue: 0,1:22:30.29,1:22:33.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of using facial recognition\Ntechnologies in different ways.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:33.06,1:22:35.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some that I've seen start to surface are,
Dialogue: 0,1:22:35.39,1:22:39.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can we use facial recognition\Nfor contactless payments?
Dialogue: 0,1:22:39.77,1:22:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So your face becomes what you pay with.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:42.90,1:22:45.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You also have the case
Dialogue: 0,1:22:45.89,1:22:48.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of using facial analysis in employment.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:48.90,1:22:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there's a company HireVue
Dialogue: 0,1:22:50.40,1:22:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that says we will analyze\Nyour facial movements
Dialogue: 0,1:22:53.63,1:22:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and use that to inform hiring decisions.
Dialogue: 0,1:22:56.92,1:23:00.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And guess what we train on\Nthe current top performers.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:00.38,1:23:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the biases that are already\Nthere can be propagated
Dialogue: 0,1:23:03.93,1:23:06.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you actually might\Npurchase that technology
Dialogue: 0,1:23:06.38,1:23:09.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thinking you're trying to remove bias.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:09.65,1:23:12.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so there are many ways\Nin which these technologies
Dialogue: 0,1:23:12.75,1:23:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might be presented with good intent,
Dialogue: 0,1:23:16.70,1:23:18.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but when you look at the ways in which
Dialogue: 0,1:23:18.84,1:23:21.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it actually manifests, there are harms
Dialogue: 0,1:23:21.47,1:23:24.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and oftentimes harms that\Ndisproportionately fall
Dialogue: 0,1:23:24.40,1:23:25.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on a marginalized group.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:25.96,1:23:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even in the healthcare system.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:27.26,1:23:29.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was reading research earlier
Dialogue: 0,1:23:29.53,1:23:31.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was talking about ableism
Dialogue: 0,1:23:31.11,1:23:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to using some kinds of
Dialogue: 0,1:23:33.15,1:23:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facial analysis systems
Dialogue: 0,1:23:35.08,1:23:37.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,within the healthcare context,
Dialogue: 0,1:23:37.19,1:23:38.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it's not working as well
Dialogue: 0,1:23:38.80,1:23:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for older adults with dementia.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:40.90,1:23:43.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the promises of these technologies
Dialogue: 0,1:23:43.02,1:23:45.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really have to be backed\Nup with the claims.
Dialogue: 0,1:23:45.59,1:23:49.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think the council can\Nactually go further by saying,
Dialogue: 0,1:23:49.68,1:23:51.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're not only just talking about
Dialogue: 0,1:23:51.42,1:23:54.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,government use of facial\Nrecognition technologies,
Dialogue: 0,1:23:54.24,1:23:55.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but if these technologies
Dialogue: 0,1:23:55.77,1:23:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,impact someone's life in\Na material way, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:23:58.36,1:24:00.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we're talking about\Neconomic opportunity.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:00.82,1:24:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're talking about healthcare,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:02.50,1:24:04.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there needs to be oversight
Dialogue: 0,1:24:04.40,1:24:08.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or clear restrictions depending\Non the type of application,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:08.17,1:24:10.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the precautionary\Nprinciple press pause,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:10.87,1:24:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,make sense when this technology\Nis nowhere near there.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:14.51,1:24:15.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:15.34,1:24:17.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For that and I'm not\Nsure if I got the Jabil,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:17.02,1:24:18.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I do have one more,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:18.56,1:24:20.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You got the, you got the...
Dialogue: 0,1:24:20.43,1:24:21.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[crosstalk]
Dialogue: 0,1:24:21.95,1:24:25.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'll wait.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:25.55,1:24:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry, thank you so much\Nto you both, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:32.10,1:24:33.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Councilor Flaherty.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:39.42,1:24:40.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, councilor Campbell said
Dialogue: 0,1:24:40.62,1:24:43.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,she was having some spotty\Nissues with her internet.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:45.02,1:24:45.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if she's not here,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:45.86,1:24:49.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna go ahead and\Ngo to councilor O'Malley
Dialogue: 0,1:24:49.31,1:24:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who I'm not sure he's still on.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:51.92,1:24:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm here madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:53.74,1:24:55.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There you are, councilor O'Malley.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:55.09,1:24:55.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:24:55.92,1:24:57.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, I will be brief because\NI think it's important
Dialogue: 0,1:24:57.86,1:24:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to get to the public testimony,
Dialogue: 0,1:24:59.08,1:25:00.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it seems to me that this sounds
Dialogue: 0,1:25:00.01,1:25:03.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like a very productive\Ngovernment operations hearing.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:03.82,1:25:06.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It sounds to me that obviously
Dialogue: 0,1:25:06.34,1:25:08.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a lot of support across the board
Dialogue: 0,1:25:08.61,1:25:10.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it looks as though the commissioners
Dialogue: 0,1:25:10.64,1:25:12.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asking for one more working session,
Dialogue: 0,1:25:12.47,1:25:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which seems to make sense
Dialogue: 0,1:25:13.44,1:25:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and his comments were very positive.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:15.36,1:25:17.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think this is a good thing.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:17.22,1:25:18.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you to the advocates.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:18.10,1:25:19.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you to my colleagues,
Dialogue: 0,1:25:19.48,1:25:20.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particularly the lead sponsors
Dialogue: 0,1:25:20.75,1:25:23.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the commissioner for his\Nparticipation this afternoon.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:23.26,1:25:24.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And thank you for all the folks
Dialogue: 0,1:25:24.93,1:25:26.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whom we will hear from shortly.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:26.25,1:25:27.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's all I've got.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:27.94,1:25:30.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, councilor Essaibi George.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:31.16,1:25:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:32.40,1:25:33.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I do apologize for earlier,
Dialogue: 0,1:25:33.55,1:25:38.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,taking a call and unmuting myself somehow.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:39.46,1:25:40.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I apologize for that.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:40.29,1:25:42.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hope I didn't say anything inappropriate
Dialogue: 0,1:25:42.41,1:25:44.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or share any certain secrets.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:44.30,1:25:46.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you to the advocates
Dialogue: 0,1:25:46.51,1:25:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to the commissioner\Nfor being here today.
Dialogue: 0,1:25:48.61,1:25:50.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And thank you to the advocates
Dialogue: 0,1:25:50.66,1:25:53.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have met with me over\Nthe last a few months ago,
Dialogue: 0,1:25:53.55,1:25:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over a period of a few months,
Dialogue: 0,1:25:55.56,1:25:58.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just really learned a lot\Nthrough our times together,
Dialogue: 0,1:25:58.43,1:26:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially from the younger folks.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:01.54,1:26:02.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am interested in some,
Dialogue: 0,1:26:04.20,1:26:05.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if there is any information
Dialogue: 0,1:26:05.04,1:26:06.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the commissioner\Nis no longer with us.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:06.87,1:26:10.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So perhaps I'll just forward\Nthis question to him, myself.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:10.80,1:26:15.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But my question is around\Nthe FBI's evidence standards
Dialogue: 0,1:26:17.28,1:26:19.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around facial recognition technology.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:19.64,1:26:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wonder if they've released that.
Dialogue: 0,1:26:21.84,1:26:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then through the chair to the makers,
Dialogue: 0,1:26:25.58,1:26:30.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we had some questions\Naround section B and two,
Dialogue: 0,1:26:32.38,1:26:33.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and perhaps we can discuss\Nthis in the working sessional,
Dialogue: 0,1:26:35.18,1:26:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or I'll send this to you ahead of time,
Dialogue: 0,1:26:36.80,1:26:41.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it does talk about\Nsection B part two reads,
Dialogue: 0,1:26:42.38,1:26:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Nothing in B or one shall prohibit Boston
Dialogue: 0,1:26:46.82,1:26:47.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or any Boston official\Nfrom using evidence related
Dialogue: 0,1:26:47.97,1:26:50.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the investigation of a specific crime
Dialogue: 0,1:26:50.46,1:26:51.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that may have been generated
Dialogue: 0,1:26:51.67,1:26:53.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from face surveillance systems."
Dialogue: 0,1:26:53.98,1:26:56.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we're just wondering\Nwhat types of evidence
Dialogue: 0,1:26:56.17,1:26:57.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are we allowing from here
Dialogue: 0,1:26:57.75,1:27:00.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what situations are\Nwe trying to accommodate.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:00.56,1:27:04.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just the specific question\Nthat we came up with
Dialogue: 0,1:27:04.45,1:27:06.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as an office, looking through that.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:06.19,1:27:08.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'll share that with the\Nmakers of this ordinance
Dialogue: 0,1:27:08.68,1:27:10.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to understand that a little bit better.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:10.27,1:27:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But if any of the panels have information
Dialogue: 0,1:27:12.12,1:27:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the FBI standards regarding,
Dialogue: 0,1:27:15.58,1:27:17.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they've shared their standards.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:17.76,1:27:21.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is my question for this time.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:21.46,1:27:22.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you ma'am chair.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:22.60,1:27:23.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can answer that quickly
Dialogue: 0,1:27:23.60,1:27:24.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then Joy may also have an answer.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:24.54,1:27:27.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But one of the issues here
Dialogue: 0,1:27:27.01,1:27:29.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that police departments\Nacross the country
Dialogue: 0,1:27:29.70,1:27:32.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been using facial\Nrecognition to identify people
Dialogue: 0,1:27:32.41,1:27:35.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in criminal investigations\Nfor decades now actually,
Dialogue: 0,1:27:35.70,1:27:38.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then not disclosing that information
Dialogue: 0,1:27:38.16,1:27:41.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to criminal defendants, which\Nis a due process violation.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:41.35,1:27:43.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it's a serious problem
Dialogue: 0,1:27:43.47,1:27:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in terms of the integrity of\Nour criminal justice process
Dialogue: 0,1:27:46.84,1:27:50.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the courts and defendant's\Nrights to a fair trial.
Dialogue: 0,1:27:50.07,1:27:53.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the FBI standards\Nthat you're referencing
Dialogue: 0,1:27:53.44,1:27:56.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the reasons, at least\Nas far as we understand it
Dialogue: 0,1:27:56.24,1:27:58.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I don't work for\Nthe police department,
Dialogue: 0,1:27:58.28,1:28:01.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but one of the reasons as\Nfar as we understand it,
Dialogue: 0,1:28:01.35,1:28:03.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that police departments have\Nnot been disclosing information
Dialogue: 0,1:28:03.68,1:28:06.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about these searches\Nto criminal defendants,
Dialogue: 0,1:28:06.13,1:28:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that there is no nationally\Nagreed upon forensic standard
Dialogue: 0,1:28:10.09,1:28:12.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the use of facial\Nrecognition technology
Dialogue: 0,1:28:12.98,1:28:14.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in criminal investigations.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:14.57,1:28:17.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so my understanding is,
Dialogue: 0,1:28:17.54,1:28:19.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,police departments and prosecutors fear
Dialogue: 0,1:28:19.52,1:28:21.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if they were to disclose to courts
Dialogue: 0,1:28:21.98,1:28:22.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and criminal defendants,
Dialogue: 0,1:28:22.95,1:28:25.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this technology was\Nused to identify people
Dialogue: 0,1:28:25.38,1:28:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in specific investigations,
Dialogue: 0,1:28:27.04,1:28:29.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that those cases would basically\Nget thrown out of court
Dialogue: 0,1:28:29.88,1:28:34.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the people who\Nperformed the analysis
Dialogue: 0,1:28:35.73,1:28:37.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would not really be able to testify
Dialogue: 0,1:28:37.76,1:28:41.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to their training under any\Nagreed upon national standard
Dialogue: 0,1:28:41.17,1:28:43.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for evaluating facial recognition results
Dialogue: 0,1:28:43.39,1:28:45.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or using the technology more generally.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:45.98,1:28:48.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I can't answer your other\Nquestion about that exemption.
Dialogue: 0,1:28:48.45,1:28:51.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is meant to address\Nbasically wanted posters,
Dialogue: 0,1:28:51.58,1:28:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because for example, if the\NFBI runs facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,1:28:55.40,1:28:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on an image of a bank robbery suspect
Dialogue: 0,1:28:57.60,1:28:59.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then produces a wanted poster
Dialogue: 0,1:28:59.19,1:29:00.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has that person's name on it
Dialogue: 0,1:29:00.59,1:29:02.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and shares with the\NBoston Police Department,
Dialogue: 0,1:29:02.78,1:29:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,obviously the BPD is not going\Nto be in a position to ask
Dialogue: 0,1:29:06.80,1:29:09.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every single police\Ndepartment in the country,
Dialogue: 0,1:29:09.06,1:29:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where did you get the name\Nattached to this picture?
Dialogue: 0,1:29:11.04,1:29:14.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so that's what that\Nexemption is meant to address.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:14.64,1:29:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There have been some concerns
Dialogue: 0,1:29:15.83,1:29:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from some of our allied organizations
Dialogue: 0,1:29:17.36,1:29:18.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we need to tighten that up
Dialogue: 0,1:29:18.96,1:29:20.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a little more extra language
Dialogue: 0,1:29:20.87,1:29:23.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make clear that that\Ndoes not allow the BPD
Dialogue: 0,1:29:23.68,1:29:26.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to use the RMV system\Nfor facial recognition.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:26.86,1:29:28.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we will be suggesting some language
Dialogue: 0,1:29:28.98,1:29:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the committee to that effect.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:32.48,1:29:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And just to echo a little bit
Dialogue: 0,1:29:34.28,1:29:37.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what Kade is sharing here,
Dialogue: 0,1:29:37.21,1:29:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do wanna point out that in April, 2019,
Dialogue: 0,1:29:40.56,1:29:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what the example of the\Nstudent being misidentified
Dialogue: 0,1:29:44.22,1:29:49.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a terrorist suspect,\Nyou had that photo shared.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:49.10,1:29:51.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And even though it was incorrect,
Dialogue: 0,1:29:51.27,1:29:54.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have the ramifications of what happens
Dialogue: 0,1:29:54.11,1:29:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the presumption of guilt.
Dialogue: 0,1:29:57.00,1:29:59.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so this is why I especially believe
Dialogue: 0,1:29:59.30,1:30:02.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should also be talking about systems
Dialogue: 0,1:30:02.26,1:30:05.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that try to infer criminality
Dialogue: 0,1:30:05.02,1:30:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,using AI systems in any kind of way.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:08.80,1:30:11.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because again, the presumption of guilt
Dialogue: 0,1:30:11.21,1:30:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then adds to the confirmation bias
Dialogue: 0,1:30:13.44,1:30:16.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of getting something from a machine.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:17.74,1:30:19.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, I think in the working session,
Dialogue: 0,1:30:19.53,1:30:23.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will there be improved language
Dialogue: 0,1:30:23.31,1:30:25.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around tightening that piece up.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:26.88,1:30:28.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, we have some suggestions.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:28.90,1:30:30.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, thank you, thank you ma'am chir.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:30.89,1:30:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're welcome, councilor Flynn.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:34.14,1:30:36.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wasn't sure if you had any questions.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:38.84,1:30:41.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, thank you councilor Edwards.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:41.37,1:30:43.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know I had a conversation awhile back
Dialogue: 0,1:30:43.93,1:30:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with Erik Berg from the teacher's\Nunion about the subject,
Dialogue: 0,1:30:48.08,1:30:49.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I learned a lot
Dialogue: 0,1:30:49.06,1:30:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I learned a lot from\Nlistening to the advocates
Dialogue: 0,1:30:52.48,1:30:54.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this afternoon.
Dialogue: 0,1:30:56.61,1:31:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My question is, I know Joy\Ncovered it a little bit,
Dialogue: 0,1:31:01.97,1:31:05.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but besides for criminal investigations,
Dialogue: 0,1:31:05.99,1:31:09.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are the reasons that the government
Dialogue: 0,1:31:09.08,1:31:12.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would want surveillance cameras.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:15.86,1:31:17.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Surveillance, cameras, councilor Flynn,
Dialogue: 0,1:31:17.71,1:31:20.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or facial recognition\Ntechnology specifically?
Dialogue: 0,1:31:20.92,1:31:21.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Both.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:23.96,1:31:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, my understanding\Nis government agencies,
Dialogue: 0,1:31:27.60,1:31:29.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including the Boston\NTransportation Department
Dialogue: 0,1:31:29.56,1:31:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use surveillance cameras for\Nthings like traffic analysis,
Dialogue: 0,1:31:33.41,1:31:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accident reconstruction.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:36.50,1:31:40.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So there are non-criminal\Nuses for surveillance cameras.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:40.84,1:31:45.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not aware of any\Nnon-criminal uses in government,
Dialogue: 0,1:31:46.31,1:31:49.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least for facial facial surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,1:31:49.77,1:31:51.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,except in the,
Dialogue: 0,1:31:51.33,1:31:53.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would say so-called intelligence realm.
Dialogue: 0,1:31:53.70,1:31:56.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that would mean not a\Ncriminal investigation,
Dialogue: 0,1:31:56.79,1:31:58.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but rather an intelligence investigation,
Dialogue: 0,1:31:58.54,1:32:00.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example of an activist
Dialogue: 0,1:32:00.38,1:32:04.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or an activist group or a\Nprotest or something like that.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:05.19,1:32:06.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:06.56,1:32:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can besides government,
Dialogue: 0,1:32:10.98,1:32:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what are the purposes\Nof facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,1:32:15.25,1:32:18.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that businesses would want to know?
Dialogue: 0,1:32:18.26,1:32:21.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then they might use it in a store,
Dialogue: 0,1:32:21.19,1:32:23.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but what are some of the other reasons
Dialogue: 0,1:32:23.35,1:32:27.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,private sector might use them.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:27.40,1:32:30.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure, so speaking to private sector uses
Dialogue: 0,1:32:30.43,1:32:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of facial recognition,
Dialogue: 0,1:32:32.13,1:32:34.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oftentimes you see it\Nbeing used for security
Dialogue: 0,1:32:34.34,1:32:38.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or accessing securing access\Nto a particular place.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:38.52,1:32:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So only a particular\Nemployees can come in.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:41.41,1:32:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Something that's more alarming
Dialogue: 0,1:32:43.31,1:32:45.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're seeing with commercial use,
Dialogue: 0,1:32:45.45,1:32:47.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the use in housing.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:47.33,1:32:50.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so we have a case even in Brooklyn,
Dialogue: 0,1:32:50.01,1:32:53.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you had tenants\Nsaying to the landlord,
Dialogue: 0,1:32:53.31,1:32:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we don't want to enter\Nour homes with our face,
Dialogue: 0,1:32:57.09,1:32:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't install facial\Nrecognition technology.
Dialogue: 0,1:32:59.72,1:33:01.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They actually won that case,
Dialogue: 0,1:33:01.09,1:33:04.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but not every group is\Ngoing to be so successful.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:04.08,1:33:06.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you can be in a situation
Dialogue: 0,1:33:06.06,1:33:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where your face becomes the key.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:08.80,1:33:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But when your face is the key\Nand it gets stolen or hacked,
Dialogue: 0,1:33:11.93,1:33:14.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can't just replace it so easily.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:14.11,1:33:16.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You might need some plastic surgery.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:16.64,1:33:20.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we see facial recognition technologies
Dialogue: 0,1:33:20.01,1:33:23.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being used for access in certain ways.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:23.17,1:33:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And again, the dangerous use of trying
Dialogue: 0,1:33:25.42,1:33:27.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to predict something about somebody.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:27.63,1:33:29.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you going to be a good employee?
Dialogue: 0,1:33:29.82,1:33:32.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have companies like Amazon,
Dialogue: 0,1:33:32.51,1:33:35.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,saying we can detect fear from your face.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:35.21,1:33:39.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so thinking about how\Nthat might be used as well.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:39.16,1:33:40.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other thing we have to consider
Dialogue: 0,1:33:40.67,1:33:44.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we're talking about commercial uses
Dialogue: 0,1:33:44.18,1:33:45.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of facial recognition technologies,
Dialogue: 0,1:33:45.57,1:33:47.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is oftentimes you'll have companies
Dialogue: 0,1:33:47.72,1:33:51.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have general purpose facial recognition.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:51.11,1:33:53.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this then means other people can buy it
Dialogue: 0,1:33:53.72,1:33:55.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and use it in all kinds of ways.
Dialogue: 0,1:33:55.51,1:33:57.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So from your Snapchat filter
Dialogue: 0,1:33:57.67,1:34:00.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to putting it for lethal\Nautonomous weapons.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:00.25,1:34:01.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have a major range
Dialogue: 0,1:34:01.87,1:34:05.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with what can happen with\Nthese sorts of technologies.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:05.75,1:34:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Pardon me councilor.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:09.86,1:34:10.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would just jump into also reiterate
Dialogue: 0,1:34:10.73,1:34:13.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this ordinance only\Napplies to government conduct.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:13.51,1:34:15.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would not restrict in any way,
Dialogue: 0,1:34:15.79,1:34:19.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any entity in the private sector\Nfrom using this technology.
Dialogue: 0,1:34:19.89,1:34:23.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But that said, some other uses,
Dialogue: 0,1:34:23.36,1:34:26.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know if you've ever\Nseen the film "Minority Report,"
Dialogue: 0,1:34:26.25,1:34:30.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in that film, Tom\NCruise enters them mall
Dialogue: 0,1:34:30.61,1:34:33.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and some technology says to him,
Dialogue: 0,1:34:33.71,1:34:37.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,"Hello, sir, how did you\Nlike the size small underwear
Dialogue: 0,1:34:37.39,1:34:39.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you bought last time?"
Dialogue: 0,1:34:39.15,1:34:41.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's actually now\Nbecoming a reality as well,
Dialogue: 0,1:34:41.79,1:34:45.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that in the commercial space, at stores,
Dialogue: 0,1:34:45.63,1:34:47.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for marketing purposes,
Dialogue: 0,1:34:47.79,1:34:49.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are likely going to see
Dialogue: 0,1:34:49.41,1:34:52.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if laws do not stop this from happening,
Dialogue: 0,1:34:52.45,1:34:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the application of facial surveillance
Dialogue: 0,1:34:54.50,1:34:57.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a marketing and commercial context
Dialogue: 0,1:34:57.33,1:34:59.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to basically try to get\Nus to buy more stuff.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:00.98,1:35:03.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And to underscore that point,
Dialogue: 0,1:35:03.19,1:35:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you have a patent from Facebook,
Dialogue: 0,1:35:04.81,1:35:06.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which basically Facebook has\Nso many of our face prints.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:06.78,1:35:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We've been training\Ntheir systems for years.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:09.73,1:35:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The patent says, given that\Nwe have this information,
Dialogue: 0,1:35:13.08,1:35:17.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can provide you background details
Dialogue: 0,1:35:17.07,1:35:20.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about somebody entering your store,
Dialogue: 0,1:35:20.30,1:35:22.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and even give them a\Ntrust worthiness score
Dialogue: 0,1:35:22.91,1:35:25.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to restrict access to certain products.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:25.54,1:35:29.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a patent that has\Nbeen filed by Facebook.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:29.25,1:35:31.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's certainly within the realm
Dialogue: 0,1:35:31.27,1:35:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what companies are exploring to do.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:34.20,1:35:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you already have companies
Dialogue: 0,1:35:35.55,1:35:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that use facial recognition technologies
Dialogue: 0,1:35:38.13,1:35:39.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to assess demographics.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:39.56,1:35:42.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you have cameras that\Ncan be put into shelves.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:42.86,1:35:45.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have cameras that can\Nbe put into mannequins.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:45.40,1:35:48.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So you already have this going on
Dialogue: 0,1:35:48.04,1:35:49.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Tacoma in Washington,
Dialogue: 0,1:35:49.70,1:35:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they even implemented a system
Dialogue: 0,1:35:52.12,1:35:55.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where you had to be face checked
Dialogue: 0,1:35:55.15,1:35:58.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before you could walk\Ninto a convenience store.
Dialogue: 0,1:35:58.38,1:36:00.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this technology is already out there.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:01.94,1:36:02.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:02.98,1:36:04.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know my time is up.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:04.51,1:36:07.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm looking forward to\Ncontinuing the conversation
Dialogue: 0,1:36:07.36,1:36:08.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'cause I have a couple more questions,
Dialogue: 0,1:36:08.65,1:36:10.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'll ask them at another time.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:10.94,1:36:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But again, thank you to the advocates
Dialogue: 0,1:36:13.21,1:36:14.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you to councilor Edwards.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:14.70,1:36:16.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:16.73,1:36:19.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's between me and public testimony.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:19.61,1:36:22.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm gonna just put my\Nthree questions out there
Dialogue: 0,1:36:22.70,1:36:25.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we're gonna go\Nright down the list of folks
Dialogue: 0,1:36:25.93,1:36:27.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have signed up in RSVP.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:28.76,1:36:31.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again to those folks who are gonna come
Dialogue: 0,1:36:32.39,1:36:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,after you've testified,
Dialogue: 0,1:36:33.28,1:36:35.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we were maxed out in our limit of people
Dialogue: 0,1:36:35.32,1:36:36.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who could participate.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:36.69,1:36:39.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you're willing to\Ntestify and then also sign out
Dialogue: 0,1:36:39.95,1:36:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and watch through YouTube
Dialogue: 0,1:36:41.25,1:36:42.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or watch you and other mechanisms
Dialogue: 0,1:36:42.90,1:36:44.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to allow somebody else to testify,
Dialogue: 0,1:36:44.51,1:36:47.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would be very\Nhelpful to this process.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:47.83,1:36:51.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm looking specifically\Nat the issue of enforcement
Dialogue: 0,1:36:51.15,1:36:53.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this statute or in this ordinance.
Dialogue: 0,1:36:53.58,1:36:56.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it says no evidence derived there from
Dialogue: 0,1:36:56.93,1:36:59.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,maybe received in evidence in proceeding
Dialogue: 0,1:36:59.77,1:37:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or before any department or\Nofficer agency regulatory body.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:03.83,1:37:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to be clear if the\Npolice received this evidence,
Dialogue: 0,1:37:09.06,1:37:11.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could a prosecutor use it in court.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:11.83,1:37:14.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So -\NThat's my question.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:15.59,1:37:17.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's my issue.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:17.07,1:37:19.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There seems to be no\Nactual evidence prohibition
Dialogue: 0,1:37:19.72,1:37:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for use in court against somebody.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:22.15,1:37:24.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The other issue or concern I have
Dialogue: 0,1:37:24.98,1:37:27.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a provision violations\Nof this ordinance
Dialogue: 0,1:37:27.56,1:37:30.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by a city employee, shall\Nresult in consequences
Dialogue: 0,1:37:30.79,1:37:35.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that may include retraining,\Nsuspension, termination,
Dialogue: 0,1:37:36.07,1:37:38.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they're all subject to provisions
Dialogue: 0,1:37:38.30,1:37:40.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of collective bargaining agreements.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:40.34,1:37:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So all of that could be gone away
Dialogue: 0,1:37:42.68,1:37:44.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if their union hasn't agreed
Dialogue: 0,1:37:45.19,1:37:47.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to that being part of\Nthe disciplinary steps
Dialogue: 0,1:37:47.99,1:37:48.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for that particular employee.
Dialogue: 0,1:37:48.99,1:37:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So to me that signals the patrolmen
Dialogue: 0,1:37:52.12,1:37:54.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other unions of folks
Dialogue: 0,1:37:54.95,1:37:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are part of need to need\Nto have this as part of their,
Dialogue: 0,1:37:58.70,1:38:01.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a violation of contract\Nor violation of standard,
Dialogue: 0,1:38:01.19,1:38:03.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think maybe I'm wrong.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:03.53,1:38:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then finally, Joy, your testimony
Dialogue: 0,1:38:07.98,1:38:10.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the private sector\Nhas really hit me.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:11.14,1:38:12.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:12.71,1:38:14.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm particularly concerned about this.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:14.37,1:38:15.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a twin.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:16.59,1:38:20.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facebook tags my sister in all\Nof my pictures automatically.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:21.66,1:38:25.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean I'm a twin, councilor\NEssabi George has triplets.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:25.71,1:38:28.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for those, we're called\Nmultiples, you're all singletons,
Dialogue: 0,1:38:28.42,1:38:29.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you were born by yourself.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:29.86,1:38:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We share birth, multiples have you know,
Dialogue: 0,1:38:32.32,1:38:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and so naturally I'm concerned\Nabout this technology.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:36.10,1:38:38.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not that my sister is inclined\Nto do any criminal activity,
Dialogue: 0,1:38:38.94,1:38:41.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but she may go to a protest\Nor two, I don't know,
Dialogue: 0,1:38:41.13,1:38:43.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but either way, the point is,
Dialogue: 0,1:38:43.96,1:38:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm concerned about the private\Nactor and how they interact.
Dialogue: 0,1:38:48.61,1:38:51.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm particularly concerned
Dialogue: 0,1:38:51.23,1:38:53.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is how far this will go down the line,
Dialogue: 0,1:38:53.72,1:38:56.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the chain supply chain, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:38:56.73,1:38:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,'Cause we have $600 million in contracts
Dialogue: 0,1:38:58.92,1:39:02.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for all sorts of things\Nfor the city of Boston.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:02.22,1:39:05.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we have a contract\Nwith a cleaning company
Dialogue: 0,1:39:05.17,1:39:07.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that requires the workers to sign in
Dialogue: 0,1:39:07.27,1:39:09.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with facial recognition, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:39:09.01,1:39:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So how far down the line\Ncan we go with our money?
Dialogue: 0,1:39:13.92,1:39:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now I understand time is of the essence.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:17.10,1:39:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that might be a big,
Dialogue: 0,1:39:18.28,1:39:19.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big question that we can work\Nout in the working session.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:19.41,1:39:22.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm particularly concerned\Nabout the courts.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:22.49,1:39:26.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you wanna just focus\Non that one, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:26.87,1:39:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, councilor.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:27.71,1:39:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So just very quickly,
Dialogue: 0,1:39:31.10,1:39:35.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are unclear on what the\Ncity council's power is
Dialogue: 0,1:39:35.87,1:39:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to control the prosecutor's office.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:38.57,1:39:42.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we'll look more into that,
Dialogue: 0,1:39:42.53,1:39:43.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we'll look closely at that.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:43.99,1:39:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,On the second question, I agree.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:46.70,1:39:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need to look at the BPA agreement,
Dialogue: 0,1:39:48.96,1:39:51.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which I understand expires the summer.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:51.44,1:39:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then finally on the\Nprivate sector concerns,
Dialogue: 0,1:39:55.96,1:39:57.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I share them.
Dialogue: 0,1:39:57.02,1:40:00.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again, we wanna get this government ban
Dialogue: 0,1:40:00.99,1:40:02.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,passed as quickly as possible.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:02.53,1:40:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The ACLU supports approaches like that,
Dialogue: 0,1:40:04.68,1:40:07.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the state of Illinois has taken.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:07.21,1:40:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They passed the nation's strongest
Dialogue: 0,1:40:09.40,1:40:10.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,consumer facing biometrics privacy law.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:10.95,1:40:13.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's called the Biometric\NInformation Privacy Act,
Dialogue: 0,1:40:13.91,1:40:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BIPA.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:14.92,1:40:17.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BIPA essentially prevents\Nprivate companies,
Dialogue: 0,1:40:17.65,1:40:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any private companies,
Dialogue: 0,1:40:18.68,1:40:20.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from collecting your biometric data
Dialogue: 0,1:40:20.61,1:40:22.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without your opt-in consent.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:22.38,1:40:24.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that's not, I clicked a button
Dialogue: 0,1:40:24.24,1:40:26.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when I was scrolling\Nthrough a terms of service,
Dialogue: 0,1:40:26.25,1:40:28.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's you actually have\Nto sign a piece of paper
Dialogue: 0,1:40:28.64,1:40:29.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and give it to them.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:29.47,1:40:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we need a law like that\Nright here in Massachusetts.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:32.17,1:40:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:34.50,1:40:35.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So at this point,
Dialogue: 0,1:40:35.86,1:40:36.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna turn it over\Nto public testimony.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:36.76,1:40:39.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have some folks who\Nhave already committed
Dialogue: 0,1:40:39.12,1:40:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and asked to speak today.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:40.91,1:40:41.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna go through them.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:41.90,1:40:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to, it's\Nalready quarter to five.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:44.54,1:40:48.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to try and end this\Nhearing no later than six.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:48.61,1:40:51.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's an hour and 15 minutes
Dialogue: 0,1:40:51.30,1:40:54.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to move through public testimony.
Dialogue: 0,1:40:54.32,1:40:55.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm gonna try,
Dialogue: 0,1:40:55.32,1:40:57.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna have to keep\Nfolks to two minutes
Dialogue: 0,1:40:57.11,1:40:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as I said before,
Dialogue: 0,1:40:58.40,1:41:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because there are a lot\Nof people signed up.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:00.83,1:41:02.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, of the folks who've signed up,
Dialogue: 0,1:41:02.91,1:41:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will go through that list.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:04.53,1:41:07.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I'm gonna invite\Npeople to raise their hands
Dialogue: 0,1:41:07.32,1:41:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who may not have signed up directly,
Dialogue: 0,1:41:10.04,1:41:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who would also like to testify.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:11.92,1:41:16.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All right, so I have on the\Nlist, Bonnie Tenneriello
Dialogue: 0,1:41:18.02,1:41:19.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the National Lawyers Guild.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:22.51,1:41:24.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After her I have Callan Bignoli
Dialogue: 0,1:41:24.75,1:41:27.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Library Freedom\NProject and Maty Cropley.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:27.71,1:41:29.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those are the three folks lined up.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:32.21,1:41:33.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's see.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:34.07,1:41:36.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kaitlin, is there a Bonnie?
Dialogue: 0,1:41:42.57,1:41:44.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay well, I see Callan\Nright now ready to go.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:44.22,1:41:46.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm gonna go ahead\Nand start with Callan
Dialogue: 0,1:41:46.54,1:41:49.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you wanna start and\Nyour two minutes has begun.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:51.68,1:41:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure, hi, I'm Callan Bignoli,
Dialogue: 0,1:41:54.57,1:41:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am a resident of West Roxbury
Dialogue: 0,1:41:56.04,1:41:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a librarian in the Boston area.
Dialogue: 0,1:41:58.18,1:42:00.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I am speaking on behalf
Dialogue: 0,1:42:00.47,1:42:02.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Library Freedom Project Today.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:02.09,1:42:03.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you to the chair
Dialogue: 0,1:42:03.13,1:42:04.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you to all of city council
Dialogue: 0,1:42:04.37,1:42:05.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the chance to testify today
Dialogue: 0,1:42:05.27,1:42:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in this important piece of legislation.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:07.82,1:42:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, the Library Freedom Project\Nis a library advocacy group
Dialogue: 0,1:42:11.60,1:42:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that trains library workers to advocate
Dialogue: 0,1:42:14.00,1:42:15.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and educate their library community
Dialogue: 0,1:42:15.68,1:42:17.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about privacy and surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:17.71,1:42:20.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We include dozens of library\Nworkers from the U.S.,
Dialogue: 0,1:42:20.76,1:42:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Canada and Mexico,
Dialogue: 0,1:42:21.80,1:42:24.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including eight librarians\Nfrom Massachusetts.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:24.25,1:42:26.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These library workers\Neducate their colleagues
Dialogue: 0,1:42:26.61,1:42:28.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and library users about surveillance
Dialogue: 0,1:42:28.33,1:42:31.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by creating library programs,\Nunion initiatives, workshops,
Dialogue: 0,1:42:31.81,1:42:34.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other resources inform\Nand agitate for change.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:34.77,1:42:37.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And facial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,1:42:37.15,1:42:40.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,represents a class of\Ntechnology that is antithetical
Dialogue: 0,1:42:40.49,1:42:41.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the values of privacy
Dialogue: 0,1:42:41.96,1:42:44.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and confidentiality of library workers.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:45.49,1:42:47.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As library staff, we understand\Nthat part of our work
Dialogue: 0,1:42:47.89,1:42:50.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to represent these\Nvalues and the services
Dialogue: 0,1:42:50.56,1:42:53.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and resources we provide\Nto our library community
Dialogue: 0,1:42:53.56,1:42:57.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in order to reduce the harm of\Nstate and corporate scrutiny.
Dialogue: 0,1:42:57.17,1:42:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As we understand this,
Dialogue: 0,1:42:59.11,1:43:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can see the social\Nand economic imperatives
Dialogue: 0,1:43:01.93,1:43:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that privilege some and marginalize others
Dialogue: 0,1:43:04.53,1:43:06.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are encoded into\Nmany computer systems
Dialogue: 0,1:43:06.78,1:43:08.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and applications.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:08.19,1:43:09.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a result of the structure
Dialogue: 0,1:43:09.98,1:43:11.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of our technology industry,
Dialogue: 0,1:43:11.36,1:43:14.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which prioritizes the\Ninterests of management,
Dialogue: 0,1:43:14.11,1:43:16.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,venture capitalists and stockholders,
Dialogue: 0,1:43:16.22,1:43:18.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are mostly white men.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:18.13,1:43:20.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The racial and gender biases
Dialogue: 0,1:43:20.25,1:43:22.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,inherent in face surveillance technology
Dialogue: 0,1:43:22.72,1:43:24.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are indicative of those values
Dialogue: 0,1:43:24.50,1:43:28.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they describe how moneyed\Ninterests seek to shape
Dialogue: 0,1:43:28.21,1:43:31.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or reinforce racist and gender depressions
Dialogue: 0,1:43:31.02,1:43:32.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by creating computer systems
Dialogue: 0,1:43:32.61,1:43:34.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that extend the reach of profiling
Dialogue: 0,1:43:34.87,1:43:37.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the exercise of capital.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:37.06,1:43:40.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Democratic direct worker\Nand community control
Dialogue: 0,1:43:40.47,1:43:41.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the development acquisition
Dialogue: 0,1:43:41.49,1:43:44.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and practices of surveillance\Nand surveillance technology,
Dialogue: 0,1:43:44.61,1:43:46.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is an urgent priority to protect safety
Dialogue: 0,1:43:46.84,1:43:49.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and privacy and our\Nneighborhoods and schools.
Dialogue: 0,1:43:49.69,1:43:51.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the Library Freedom Project
Dialogue: 0,1:43:51.22,1:43:53.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supports this urgently necessary ordinance
Dialogue: 0,1:43:53.54,1:43:56.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ban facial recognition\Ntechnology in Boston
Dialogue: 0,1:43:56.21,1:43:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the safety and privacy
Dialogue: 0,1:43:57.98,1:44:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of those who were working in\Nthe city and who live here.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:01.04,1:44:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we urge the council to rest\Ncontrol over surveillance -
Dialogue: 0,1:44:04.56,1:44:06.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, two minutes is up.\NOops!
Dialogue: 0,1:44:06.26,1:44:09.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two minutes is up, so\NIf you wanna summarize.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:09.23,1:44:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have one, one more sentence.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:11.17,1:44:15.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We can not allow Boston\Nto adopt authoritarian,
Dialogue: 0,1:44:15.06,1:44:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unregulated and bias surveillance\Ntechnology, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:18.93,1:44:21.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much, Bonnie,
Dialogue: 0,1:44:21.21,1:44:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know if Bonnie's available,
Dialogue: 0,1:44:23.24,1:44:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if not I see Maty is available.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:26.90,1:44:29.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm gonna go ahead and\Nstart your two minutes, Maty.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:30.64,1:44:31.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:31.85,1:44:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you councilor Edwards
Dialogue: 0,1:44:33.96,1:44:35.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you to the city council
Dialogue: 0,1:44:35.49,1:44:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all the panelists for\Ntaking up this important issue.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:38.12,1:44:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Maty Cropley,\NI use they/them pronouns.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:41.82,1:44:44.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a teen librarian and\Na bargaining unit member
Dialogue: 0,1:44:44.85,1:44:47.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Boston Public Library\NProfessional Staff Association,
Dialogue: 0,1:44:47.53,1:44:51.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MSLA local 4928 AFT.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:51.51,1:44:53.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our union of library workers
Dialogue: 0,1:44:53.38,1:44:56.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,supports a ban on facial\Nrecognition in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,1:44:56.07,1:44:58.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In voting to do so,
Dialogue: 0,1:44:58.07,1:45:00.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our union recognizes\Nthat facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,1:45:00.17,1:45:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other forms of biometric surveillance
Dialogue: 0,1:45:02.24,1:45:03.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are a threat to the civil liberties
Dialogue: 0,1:45:03.61,1:45:06.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and safety of our colleagues\Nand of library users.
Dialogue: 0,1:45:06.81,1:45:09.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our library ethics of privacy\Nand intellectual freedom
Dialogue: 0,1:45:09.17,1:45:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are incompatible with\Nthis invasive technology.
Dialogue: 0,1:45:12.40,1:45:14.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We recognize that facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,1:45:14.01,1:45:16.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other biometric\Nsurveillance technologies
Dialogue: 0,1:45:16.67,1:45:18.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are proven to be riddled with racist,
Dialogue: 0,1:45:18.51,1:45:21.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ableist and gendered algorithmic biases.
Dialogue: 0,1:45:21.34,1:45:23.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These systems routinely\Nmisidentify people of color,
Dialogue: 0,1:45:23.77,1:45:25.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which can result in needless\Ncontact with law enforcement
Dialogue: 0,1:45:25.99,1:45:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other scrutiny, essentially\Nautomating racial profiling.
Dialogue: 0,1:45:30.08,1:45:32.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We recognize the harm of\Nsurveillance for youth in our city,
Dialogue: 0,1:45:32.89,1:45:35.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially black, brown\Nand immigrant youth.
Dialogue: 0,1:45:35.82,1:45:37.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Unregulated scrutiny by authorities
Dialogue: 0,1:45:37.89,1:45:40.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leads to early contact\Nwith law enforcement
Dialogue: 0,1:45:40.13,1:45:43.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resulting in disenfranchisement,\Nmarginalized futures
Dialogue: 0,1:45:43.27,1:45:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and potential death by state violence.
Dialogue: 0,1:45:45.92,1:45:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We recognize that public\Nareas such as libraries,
Dialogue: 0,1:45:48.52,1:45:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,parks, and sidewalks exist as spaces
Dialogue: 0,1:45:50.50,1:45:52.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which people should be free to move,
Dialogue: 0,1:45:52.93,1:45:56.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,speak, think inquire, perform, protest,
Dialogue: 0,1:45:56.13,1:45:58.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and assemble freely without\Nthe intense scrutiny
Dialogue: 0,1:45:58.46,1:46:01.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of unregulated surveillance\Nby law enforcement.
Dialogue: 0,1:46:01.27,1:46:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Public spaces exist to extend our rights
Dialogue: 0,1:46:03.54,1:46:05.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and provide space for the performance
Dialogue: 0,1:46:05.11,1:46:08.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of our civil liberties, not policing.
Dialogue: 0,1:46:08.34,1:46:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A ban on face surveillance technology
Dialogue: 0,1:46:10.09,1:46:12.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is critically important for the residents
Dialogue: 0,1:46:12.38,1:46:15.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and visitors to the city of Boston.
Dialogue: 0,1:46:15.18,1:46:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our union encourages you to ban
Dialogue: 0,1:46:17.58,1:46:18.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the use of face surveillance\Nin the city of Boston
Dialogue: 0,1:46:18.81,1:46:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by supporting and passing\Nthis very crucial ordinance.
Dialogue: 0,1:46:21.83,1:46:23.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd like to thank you for your time.
Dialogue: 0,1:46:23.39,1:46:25.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we are the Boston Public Library,
Dialogue: 0,1:46:25.08,1:46:26.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Professional Staff Association.
Dialogue: 0,1:46:26.82,1:46:28.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,1:46:28.63,1:46:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,1:46:30.16,1:46:34.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand that Ms. Bonnie is available.
Dialogue: 0,1:46:34.57,1:46:39.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's under a name Linda Rydzewski,
Dialogue: 0,1:46:42.28,1:46:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're gonna pull her up.
Dialogue: 0,1:46:47.34,1:46:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll check when she's available.
Dialogue: 0,1:46:49.64,1:46:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After her will be the\Nfollowing three testifiers,
Dialogue: 0,1:46:53.16,1:46:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nikhill Thorat, Nour Sulalman\Nand professor Woodrow Hartzog.
Dialogue: 0,1:46:59.67,1:47:02.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, Bonnie.
Dialogue: 0,1:47:07.98,1:47:10.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's under Linda Rydzewski, sorry.
Dialogue: 0,1:47:13.56,1:47:15.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Linda Rydzewski
Dialogue: 0,1:47:19.90,1:47:24.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am so sorry, I've had\Na technical problems.
Dialogue: 0,1:47:24.78,1:47:26.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is Bonnie Tenneriello,
Dialogue: 0,1:47:26.81,1:47:29.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on behalf of the National Lawyers Guild.
Dialogue: 0,1:47:29.36,1:47:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I had to sign in\Nwith my office account
Dialogue: 0,1:47:34.27,1:47:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am not representing\NPrisoner's Legal Services
Dialogue: 0,1:47:38.88,1:47:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I couldn't change the screen\Nname once I was signed in.
Dialogue: 0,1:47:42.80,1:47:44.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Am I audible to everyone?
Dialogue: 0,1:47:45.69,1:47:48.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You're on and you have two minutes.
Dialogue: 0,1:47:48.00,1:47:49.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay.
Dialogue: 0,1:47:49.58,1:47:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm speaking on behalf of\Nthe National Lawyers Guild,
Dialogue: 0,1:47:53.21,1:47:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Massachusetts Chapter,
Dialogue: 0,1:47:55.08,1:48:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which for over 80 years as\Nfought for human rights,
Dialogue: 0,1:48:04.04,1:48:06.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're deeply\Nconcerned over the dangers
Dialogue: 0,1:48:06.30,1:48:07.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of facial surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,1:48:07.68,1:48:11.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We strongly support this ordinance.
Dialogue: 0,1:48:11.09,1:48:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facial recognition\Ndeployed through cameras
Dialogue: 0,1:48:15.48,1:48:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throughout a city can be used
Dialogue: 0,1:48:17.69,1:48:19.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to track the movements of dissidents
Dialogue: 0,1:48:19.60,1:48:22.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and anyone attending a protest\Nas others have observed.
Dialogue: 0,1:48:22.79,1:48:25.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our history and the National Lawyers Guild
Dialogue: 0,1:48:25.41,1:48:28.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shows that this danger is real.
Dialogue: 0,1:48:28.70,1:48:30.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have defended political dissidents
Dialogue: 0,1:48:30.83,1:48:33.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,targeted by law enforcement,
Dialogue: 0,1:48:33.19,1:48:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as members of the\NBlack Panther Party,
Dialogue: 0,1:48:36.10,1:48:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,American Indian Movement,
Dialogue: 0,1:48:37.33,1:48:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Puerto Rican Independence Movement
Dialogue: 0,1:48:39.30,1:48:41.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we're recently here in Boston,
Dialogue: 0,1:48:41.60,1:48:44.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,occupied Boston Climate Change activists,
Dialogue: 0,1:48:44.11,1:48:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those opposing a straight pride event
Dialogue: 0,1:48:47.27,1:48:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Black Lives Matter.
Dialogue: 0,1:48:48.92,1:48:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know that the dangers\Nof political surveillance
Dialogue: 0,1:48:55.58,1:48:58.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and political use of\Nthis technology are real.
Dialogue: 0,1:48:59.81,1:49:01.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The National Lawyers Guild
Dialogue: 0,1:49:01.02,1:49:04.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also helped expose illegal surveillance
Dialogue: 0,1:49:04.02,1:49:09.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Church Commission\N1975-76 COINTELPRO hearings.
Dialogue: 0,1:49:10.62,1:49:12.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know from this experience
Dialogue: 0,1:49:12.68,1:49:15.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this can be used to disrupt
Dialogue: 0,1:49:15.96,1:49:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and prosecute political protest.
Dialogue: 0,1:49:19.93,1:49:21.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People must be able to demonstrate
Dialogue: 0,1:49:21.76,1:49:25.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without fear of being identified\Nand tracked afterwards.
Dialogue: 0,1:49:25.91,1:49:28.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will not repeat what others have said
Dialogue: 0,1:49:28.66,1:49:33.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,very articulately about just\Nthe basic privacy concerns
Dialogue: 0,1:49:33.05,1:49:35.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of being able to walk through a city,
Dialogue: 0,1:49:35.05,1:49:37.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without having cameras track your identity
Dialogue: 0,1:49:37.66,1:49:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and movements throughout the city,
Dialogue: 0,1:49:39.66,1:49:44.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nor will I repeat the excellent testimony
Dialogue: 0,1:49:44.18,1:49:49.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that was given about the\Nracial bias in this technology.
Dialogue: 0,1:49:49.55,1:49:52.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But on behalf of the\NNational Lawyers Guild,
Dialogue: 0,1:49:52.32,1:49:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will say that we cannot\Ntolerate a technology
Dialogue: 0,1:49:56.52,1:50:00.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that perpetuates racism\Nin law enforcement,
Dialogue: 0,1:50:00.06,1:50:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as tens of thousands of people
Dialogue: 0,1:50:01.84,1:50:05.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,take to the streets\Ncalling for racial justice.
Dialogue: 0,1:50:05.18,1:50:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're at a historical moment\Nwhen our society is demanding
Dialogue: 0,1:50:08.29,1:50:11.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this council is\Nconsidering a shift away
Dialogue: 0,1:50:11.11,1:50:15.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from control and policing\Nof communities of color
Dialogue: 0,1:50:15.14,1:50:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and low-income communities
Dialogue: 0,1:50:17.16,1:50:18.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and towards community directed programs
Dialogue: 0,1:50:18.45,1:50:22.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that channel resources to\Njobs, healthcare, education,
Dialogue: 0,1:50:22.18,1:50:25.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other programs that\Ncreate true safety.
Dialogue: 0,1:50:25.20,1:50:29.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We reject facial surveillance
Dialogue: 0,1:50:29.07,1:50:33.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we urge the council\Nto pass this ordinance.
Dialogue: 0,1:50:33.21,1:50:35.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,1:50:36.65,1:50:39.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So up next we have Nikhill Thorat.
Dialogue: 0,1:50:42.92,1:50:44.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry, if I mispronounced your name.
Dialogue: 0,1:50:44.17,1:50:45.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No harm, you got that right.
Dialogue: 0,1:50:45.31,1:50:48.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you chair and to the\Namazing speakers before me.
Dialogue: 0,1:50:48.26,1:50:52.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Nikhil, I work on\Nat Google Brain in Cambridge.
Dialogue: 0,1:50:52.99,1:50:54.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I specifically work in the area
Dialogue: 0,1:50:54.51,1:50:57.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of machine learning fairness\Nand interpretability.
Dialogue: 0,1:50:57.93,1:50:59.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is sort of the stuff that we do.
Dialogue: 0,1:50:59.33,1:51:00.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm here as a citizen,
Dialogue: 0,1:51:00.62,1:51:02.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am very much in\Nfavor of the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,1:51:02.95,1:51:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,banning facial recognition\Nby public officials
Dialogue: 0,1:51:05.71,1:51:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,here in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,1:51:07.30,1:51:10.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So modern AI algorithms\Nare statistical machines.
Dialogue: 0,1:51:10.31,1:51:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They base predictions off\Npatterns and data sets
Dialogue: 0,1:51:12.80,1:51:15.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that they're trained on,\Nthere's there's no magic here.
Dialogue: 0,1:51:15.23,1:51:18.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So any bias that stems from\Nhow a data set is collected,
Dialogue: 0,1:51:18.71,1:51:20.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like non-representative collection of data
Dialogue: 0,1:51:20.90,1:51:21.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for different races
Dialogue: 0,1:51:21.88,1:51:23.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of historical context,
Dialogue: 0,1:51:23.61,1:51:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gets automatically reflected\Nin the AI models predictions.
Dialogue: 0,1:51:27.26,1:51:31.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So what this means is that it\Nmanifests as unequal errors
Dialogue: 0,1:51:31.06,1:51:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between subgroups, like race or gender.
Dialogue: 0,1:51:33.46,1:51:35.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is not theoretical,
Dialogue: 0,1:51:35.05,1:51:36.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's been studied very deeply
Dialogue: 0,1:51:37.98,1:51:39.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by many AI researchers in this field
Dialogue: 0,1:51:39.47,1:51:40.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have been on this call.
Dialogue: 0,1:51:40.33,1:51:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a federal NISD,
Dialogue: 0,1:51:42.25,1:51:44.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a National Institute of\NStandards and Technology Study
Dialogue: 0,1:51:44.70,1:51:47.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that looks at almost 200\Nfacial recognition algorithms
Dialogue: 0,1:51:47.28,1:51:49.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and found significant\Ndemographic disparities
Dialogue: 0,1:51:49.88,1:51:51.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in most of them.
Dialogue: 0,1:51:51.40,1:51:55.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there's another paper\Nby Joy here, Gender Shades,
Dialogue: 0,1:51:55.11,1:51:57.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that looked at three commercial\Nclassification systems
Dialogue: 0,1:51:57.03,1:51:58.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and found that there are
Dialogue: 0,1:51:59.69,1:52:03.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,35% of the time incorrect\Nresults for dark-skinned females
Dialogue: 0,1:52:03.74,1:52:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,versus only 0.8% incorrect\Nfor light-skinned males.
Dialogue: 0,1:52:07.04,1:52:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is, this is horrible, right?
Dialogue: 0,1:52:08.98,1:52:12.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these mistakes can't\Nalso be viewed in isolation.
Dialogue: 0,1:52:12.51,1:52:14.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They will perpetuate bias issues
Dialogue: 0,1:52:14.82,1:52:16.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by informing the collection
Dialogue: 0,1:52:16.30,1:52:18.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the next generation of datasets,
Dialogue: 0,1:52:18.24,1:52:19.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which are then again used
Dialogue: 0,1:52:19.75,1:52:22.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to train the next generation of AI models.
Dialogue: 0,1:52:22.54,1:52:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Moreover, when mistakes are made either
Dialogue: 0,1:52:24.58,1:52:26.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by a machine or by a human being,
Dialogue: 0,1:52:26.78,1:52:28.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need to be able to ask the question,
Dialogue: 0,1:52:28.43,1:52:30.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why was that mistake made?
Dialogue: 0,1:52:30.46,1:52:32.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we simply haven't\Ndeveloped robust tools
Dialogue: 0,1:52:32.97,1:52:35.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be able to hold these algorithms
Dialogue: 0,1:52:35.01,1:52:37.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to an acceptable level of transparency,
Dialogue: 0,1:52:37.16,1:52:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to answer any of these critical questions.
Dialogue: 0,1:52:40.20,1:52:42.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Deployment of these systems
Dialogue: 0,1:52:42.12,1:52:43.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will exacerbate the issues of racial bias
Dialogue: 0,1:52:43.93,1:52:46.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and policing and accelerate\Nthe various social inequalities
Dialogue: 0,1:52:47.10,1:52:49.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're protesting to\Ninnocent people will be targeted.
Dialogue: 0,1:52:49.23,1:52:51.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The threshold for deploying these systems
Dialogue: 0,1:52:51.53,1:52:52.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should be extremely high,
Dialogue: 0,1:52:52.97,1:52:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one that's arguably not\Nreachable beyond accuracy,
Dialogue: 0,1:52:55.78,1:52:58.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beyond a hundred percent accuracy idea.
Dialogue: 0,1:52:58.17,1:53:00.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Data would have to be public
Dialogue: 0,1:53:00.05,1:53:02.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and there would have to be\Nactionable algorithmic oversight.
Dialogue: 0,1:53:02.87,1:53:05.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is an incredibly high bar\Nand we are nowhere near that,
Dialogue: 0,1:53:05.72,1:53:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,both algorithmically and societaly.
Dialogue: 0,1:53:08.40,1:53:09.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Along with this ordinance,
Dialogue: 0,1:53:09.30,1:53:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we must start laying the groundwork
Dialogue: 0,1:53:10.84,1:53:13.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a rigorous criteria\Nfor future technology
Dialogue: 0,1:53:13.54,1:53:15.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as it is an inevitable conversation.
Dialogue: 0,1:53:15.91,1:53:17.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But first we must pass the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,1:53:17.50,1:53:19.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,banning facial recognition in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,1:53:19.40,1:53:20.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,1:53:20.70,1:53:22.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much,
Dialogue: 0,1:53:22.67,1:53:26.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,following Nikhill we have Nour Sulalman.
Dialogue: 0,1:53:28.69,1:53:31.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry again for mispronunciation.
Dialogue: 0,1:53:31.50,1:53:32.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's all good.
Dialogue: 0,1:53:33.29,1:53:35.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you council members
Dialogue: 0,1:53:35.31,1:53:38.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and authors of the ordinance\Nfor your service to the city.
Dialogue: 0,1:53:38.12,1:53:40.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Noue Sulalman Langedorfer,
Dialogue: 0,1:53:40.87,1:53:43.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I use she/her pronouns.
Dialogue: 0,1:53:43.13,1:53:45.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a resident of Jamaica Plain,
Dialogue: 0,1:53:45.77,1:53:48.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm here in my capacity\Nas a private citizen.
Dialogue: 0,1:53:48.94,1:53:52.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I won't repeat what everyone else said,
Dialogue: 0,1:53:52.24,1:53:55.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I will say that the\Nuse of facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,1:53:55.13,1:53:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by law enforcement today,\Nis especially disturbing
Dialogue: 0,1:53:58.62,1:54:01.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to the epidemic of police\Nviolence in this country
Dialogue: 0,1:54:01.99,1:54:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the dysfunctional relationship it has
Dialogue: 0,1:54:04.85,1:54:08.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with black and brown people in the city.
Dialogue: 0,1:54:08.39,1:54:10.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And with all due respect,
Dialogue: 0,1:54:10.58,1:54:13.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm unconvinced by the distinction made
Dialogue: 0,1:54:13.30,1:54:16.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between facial surveillance\Nand facial recognition.
Dialogue: 0,1:54:16.54,1:54:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm even more disturbed or I am disturbed
Dialogue: 0,1:54:21.98,1:54:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the commissioner does not know
Dialogue: 0,1:54:23.41,1:54:27.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if the police department uses\Nfacial recognition software.
Dialogue: 0,1:54:27.19,1:54:31.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I asked the council to consider supporting
Dialogue: 0,1:54:31.31,1:54:33.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the ordinance established a total ban
Dialogue: 0,1:54:33.89,1:54:35.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the use of facial recognition software
Dialogue: 0,1:54:35.72,1:54:39.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in all public spaces,\Nincluding by law enforcement,
Dialogue: 0,1:54:39.10,1:54:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,malls and shopping centers, retail spaces,
Dialogue: 0,1:54:41.38,1:54:44.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,restaurants open to the public,\Nstate government buildings,
Dialogue: 0,1:54:44.77,1:54:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,courts, public schools,\Nschools funded by the state,
Dialogue: 0,1:54:48.52,1:54:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on public streets and\Nin places of employment,
Dialogue: 0,1:54:50.98,1:54:52.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a condition of employment
Dialogue: 0,1:54:52.59,1:54:55.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as a condition of landlords\Nleasing rental properties.
Dialogue: 0,1:54:55.90,1:54:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The ban should also apply to the use
Dialogue: 0,1:54:58.35,1:55:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and purchase a facial recognition software
Dialogue: 0,1:55:00.68,1:55:03.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by any state agency operating in Boston,
Dialogue: 0,1:55:03.79,1:55:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including law enforcement
Dialogue: 0,1:55:05.83,1:55:08.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I further or to the council\Nto consider adopting a ban
Dialogue: 0,1:55:08.98,1:55:12.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the use of private DNA\Ndatabases by law enforcement
Dialogue: 0,1:55:12.80,1:55:15.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all remote surveillance systems,
Dialogue: 0,1:55:15.79,1:55:18.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including those that\Nrecognize individual gates.
Dialogue: 0,1:55:18.46,1:55:23.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Information gathered through\Nthe aforementioned technologies
Dialogue: 0,1:55:24.01,1:55:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,should not be deemed\Nadmissible in civil, criminal
Dialogue: 0,1:55:27.39,1:55:29.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or administrative proceedings
Dialogue: 0,1:55:29.59,1:55:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or serve as a basis for\Ngranting a search warrant.
Dialogue: 0,1:55:33.52,1:55:34.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,1:55:38.20,1:55:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,1:55:40.15,1:55:43.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a professor Woodrow Hartzog.
Dialogue: 0,1:55:46.32,1:55:47.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, two minutes.
Dialogue: 0,1:55:47.57,1:55:50.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much, dear councilors,
Dialogue: 0,1:55:50.34,1:55:52.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you for allowing me the opportunity
Dialogue: 0,1:55:52.23,1:55:54.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to speak in support of the ordinance.
Dialogue: 0,1:55:54.47,1:55:56.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Banning face surveillance in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,1:55:56.99,1:55:59.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am a professor of law\Nand computer science
Dialogue: 0,1:55:59.17,1:56:00.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at Northeastern University,
Dialogue: 0,1:56:00.81,1:56:02.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who has been researching and writing
Dialogue: 0,1:56:02.91,1:56:04.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the risks of facial\Nrecognition technologies
Dialogue: 0,1:56:04.61,1:56:06.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for over seven years,
Dialogue: 0,1:56:06.28,1:56:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I make these comments in my\Npersonal academic capacity.
Dialogue: 0,1:56:09.42,1:56:11.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not serving as an advocate
Dialogue: 0,1:56:11.13,1:56:14.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for any particular organization.
Dialogue: 0,1:56:14.07,1:56:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Please allow me to be direct,
Dialogue: 0,1:56:16.68,1:56:18.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,1:56:18.29,1:56:21.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the most dangerous\Nsurveillance tool ever invented.
Dialogue: 0,1:56:21.98,1:56:24.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It poses substantial\Nthreats to civil liberties,
Dialogue: 0,1:56:24.61,1:56:27.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,privacy and democratic accountability.
Dialogue: 0,1:56:27.08,1:56:30.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Quite simply the world has\Nnever seen anything like it.
Dialogue: 0,1:56:30.53,1:56:33.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Traditional legal rules, such\Nas requiring legal process
Dialogue: 0,1:56:33.95,1:56:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or people's consent before\Nsurveillance could be conducted,
Dialogue: 0,1:56:36.54,1:56:39.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will only entrench these systems,
Dialogue: 0,1:56:39.34,1:56:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lead to a more watched society
Dialogue: 0,1:56:41.22,1:56:44.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we are all treated\Nas suspects all the time.
Dialogue: 0,1:56:44.50,1:56:45.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anything less than a ban
Dialogue: 0,1:56:45.85,1:56:48.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will inevitably lead to unacceptable abuse
Dialogue: 0,1:56:48.55,1:56:51.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the massive power\Nbestowed by these systems.
Dialogue: 0,1:56:51.22,1:56:53.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That is why I believe that this ordinance
Dialogue: 0,1:56:53.23,1:56:55.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is justified and necessary.
Dialogue: 0,1:56:55.49,1:56:57.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are many ways that law enforcement's
Dialogue: 0,1:56:57.19,1:56:59.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use of facial recognition\Ntechnology can harm people.
Dialogue: 0,1:56:59.71,1:57:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Government surveillance
Dialogue: 0,1:57:01.60,1:57:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has disproportionately targeted\Nmarginalized communities,
Dialogue: 0,1:57:04.85,1:57:06.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specifically people of color,
Dialogue: 0,1:57:06.67,1:57:09.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facial recognition will\Nonly make this worse
Dialogue: 0,1:57:09.07,1:57:10.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it is inaccurate and bias
Dialogue: 0,1:57:10.93,1:57:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based along racial and gender lines.
Dialogue: 0,1:57:13.72,1:57:16.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And while facial\Nrecognition is unacceptable
Dialogue: 0,1:57:16.18,1:57:18.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's biased and error prone,
Dialogue: 0,1:57:18.44,1:57:20.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more accurate it becomes,
Dialogue: 0,1:57:20.27,1:57:22.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the more oppressive it will get.
Dialogue: 0,1:57:22.20,1:57:25.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Accurate systems will be more\Nheavily used and invested in
Dialogue: 0,1:57:25.71,1:57:28.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,further endangering the people of Boston.
Dialogue: 0,1:57:28.91,1:57:31.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Use of facial recognition\Nseems likely to create
Dialogue: 0,1:57:31.56,1:57:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a pervasive atmosphere of chill.
Dialogue: 0,1:57:34.00,1:57:36.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These tools make it easier\Nto engage in surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,1:57:36.84,1:57:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which means the more\Nsurveillance can and will occur.
Dialogue: 0,1:57:40.01,1:57:43.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The mere prospect of a\Nhyper surveil society
Dialogue: 0,1:57:43.18,1:57:44.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could routinely prevent citizens
Dialogue: 0,1:57:44.87,1:57:47.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from engaging in First\NAmendment protected activities,
Dialogue: 0,1:57:47.94,1:57:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as protesting and worshiping,
Dialogue: 0,1:57:50.02,1:57:53.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for fear of ending up on\Ngovernment watch lists.
Dialogue: 0,1:57:53.59,1:57:55.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facial recognition also poses a threat
Dialogue: 0,1:57:55.67,1:57:57.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to our ideals of due process,
Dialogue: 0,1:57:57.64,1:57:59.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it makes it all too easy
Dialogue: 0,1:57:59.01,1:58:02.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for governments to excessively\Nenforce minor infractions
Dialogue: 0,1:58:02.49,1:58:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as pretext for secretly monitoring
Dialogue: 0,1:58:05.20,1:58:07.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and retaliating against our citizens
Dialogue: 0,1:58:07.61,1:58:10.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are often targeted for\Nspeaking up like journalists,
Dialogue: 0,1:58:10.76,1:58:13.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whistleblowers and activists.
Dialogue: 0,1:58:13.37,1:58:15.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The net result could be\Nanxious and oppressed citizens
Dialogue: 0,1:58:15.86,1:58:19.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who were denied fundamental\Nopportunities and rights.
Dialogue: 0,1:58:19.32,1:58:20.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For the reasons outlined above,
Dialogue: 0,1:58:20.69,1:58:22.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I strongly support the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,1:58:22.19,1:58:24.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,banning facial recognition\Nsurveillance in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,1:58:24.95,1:58:26.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's the best approach for preventing
Dialogue: 0,1:58:26.63,1:58:27.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an Orwellian future
Dialogue: 0,1:58:27.98,1:58:29.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and ensuring that the city of Boston
Dialogue: 0,1:58:29.67,1:58:33.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,remain a place where people can flourish
Dialogue: 0,1:58:33.10,1:58:35.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and civil liberties from a protected.
Dialogue: 0,1:58:35.87,1:58:37.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much, professor.
Dialogue: 0,1:58:38.28,1:58:43.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We have coming up, Alex\NMarthews, Emily Reif,
Dialogue: 0,1:58:44.64,1:58:47.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jurell Laronal.
Dialogue: 0,1:58:48.55,1:58:52.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Those three folks, I don't\Nknow if they're ready to go.
Dialogue: 0,1:58:52.51,1:58:56.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But we'll start, I see Jurell, I see Alex.
Dialogue: 0,1:58:57.29,1:58:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go ahead Alex, Marthews.
Dialogue: 0,1:59:01.32,1:59:02.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi.
Dialogue: 0,1:59:03.55,1:59:08.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't wish to echo what\Nother excellent advocates
Dialogue: 0,1:59:09.81,1:59:10.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been saying,
Dialogue: 0,1:59:10.97,1:59:15.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I am here representing Digital Fourth,
Dialogue: 0,1:59:15.40,1:59:16.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,restored fourth Boston,
Dialogue: 0,1:59:16.74,1:59:19.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where she is a volunteer based
Dialogue: 0,1:59:19.34,1:59:22.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,advocacy group on surveillance\Nand policing issues
Dialogue: 0,1:59:22.78,1:59:24.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the Boston area.
Dialogue: 0,1:59:25.37,1:59:30.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanna highlight some\Ncomments of commissioner Gross,
Dialogue: 0,1:59:30.90,1:59:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in addition to our testimony.
Dialogue: 0,1:59:35.15,1:59:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Commissioner Gross seems to\Nrecognize the racial biases
Dialogue: 0,1:59:39.04,1:59:43.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and limitations of this\Ntechnology as it stands now,
Dialogue: 0,1:59:43.41,1:59:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but he says it's improving\Nand he holds out hope
Dialogue: 0,1:59:47.42,1:59:51.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it will be more\Naccurate in the future.
Dialogue: 0,1:59:51.51,1:59:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that perhaps at some future point,
Dialogue: 0,1:59:53.63,1:59:56.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Boston City Council should reconsider
Dialogue: 0,1:59:56.96,1:59:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whether it will be appropriate
Dialogue: 0,1:59:58.58,2:00:03.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to implement facial\Nrecognition technology.
Dialogue: 0,2:00:03.13,2:00:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The problem with this is that
Dialogue: 0,2:00:05.71,2:00:10.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a 100% accurate facial\Nrecognition technology system
Dialogue: 0,2:00:10.78,2:00:11.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be terrifying.
Dialogue: 0,2:00:13.36,2:00:17.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it would represent the\Ndeath of anonymity in public.
Dialogue: 0,2:00:18.57,2:00:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In terms of the effect of\Nfacial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,2:00:23.48,2:00:26.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on legislative terrorists themselves,
Dialogue: 0,2:00:27.26,2:00:29.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there have been a number of studies now
Dialogue: 0,2:00:30.46,2:00:34.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that show that current facial\Nrecognition technologies
Dialogue: 0,2:00:34.43,2:00:36.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are perfectly capable
Dialogue: 0,2:00:37.98,2:00:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of misidentifying legislators as criminals
Dialogue: 0,2:00:41.42,2:00:45.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and these systems being 100% accurate
Dialogue: 0,2:00:45.82,2:00:49.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will pose even more\Nworrying risks about that.
Dialogue: 0,2:00:49.71,2:00:52.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As city councilors,
Dialogue: 0,2:00:52.17,2:00:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where are you going when\Nyou're going in public,
Dialogue: 0,2:00:54.57,2:00:57.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are you meeting with\Nsocial justice groups?
Dialogue: 0,2:00:57.21,2:00:59.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you meeting with immigrant advocates?
Dialogue: 0,2:00:59.29,2:01:01.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you meeting with God forbid,
Dialogue: 0,2:01:01.81,2:01:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,police reform and down to\Nkit accountability groups?
Dialogue: 0,2:01:04.84,2:01:08.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you doing something\Nembarrassing perhaps
Dialogue: 0,2:01:08.21,2:01:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that could be used to influence your votes
Dialogue: 0,2:01:10.96,2:01:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on matters of public interest
Dialogue: 0,2:01:13.00,2:01:16.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or matters relating to the police budget?
Dialogue: 0,2:01:16.10,2:01:20.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The risk of these things\Nhappening are very real,
Dialogue: 0,2:01:20.81,2:01:23.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it is to be implemented in the future.
Dialogue: 0,2:01:23.48,2:01:26.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the only appropriate response
Dialogue: 0,2:01:26.15,2:01:30.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is for today's city council\Nto ban this technology.
Dialogue: 0,2:01:31.66,2:01:34.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,2:01:35.80,2:01:38.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe, I don't know\Nif Emily is available,
Dialogue: 0,2:01:38.83,2:01:43.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I do see Jurell, Jurell\Nwould you like to go?
Dialogue: 0,2:01:50.86,2:01:51.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:01:51.69,2:01:54.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, Boston City Council\Nfor having this platform.
Dialogue: 0,2:01:54.33,2:01:56.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanna thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:01:56.17,2:01:58.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you and a shout out\Nto the expert advocates
Dialogue: 0,2:01:58.68,2:02:01.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the subject for shedding\Nlight on the subject
Dialogue: 0,2:02:01.76,2:02:04.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that me and many of us\Nare not fully versed in.
Dialogue: 0,2:02:04.85,2:02:07.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What I am well versed in it though,
Dialogue: 0,2:02:07.80,2:02:09.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the reality surrounding
Dialogue: 0,2:02:09.71,2:02:12.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Boston Police Department's history
Dialogue: 0,2:02:12.07,2:02:14.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the negative impact that they have had
Dialogue: 0,2:02:14.55,2:02:17.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the black or brown\NBostonian's for decades.
Dialogue: 0,2:02:17.37,2:02:18.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Jurell Laronal,
Dialogue: 0,2:02:18.86,2:02:21.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a formerly incarcerated black man
Dialogue: 0,2:02:21.25,2:02:24.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from a heavily police commerce\Nneighborhood of Dorchester.
Dialogue: 0,2:02:24.66,2:02:29.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a community organizer for\NFamilies for Justice as Halen
Dialogue: 0,2:02:29.48,2:02:32.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm here to support the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,2:02:32.42,2:02:35.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,banning facial recognition\Ntechnology in Boston
Dialogue: 0,2:02:35.91,2:02:39.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presented by councilors Wu and Arroyo.
Dialogue: 0,2:02:39.04,2:02:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, what are we talking about?
Dialogue: 0,2:02:41.10,2:02:43.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are talking about a force whose actions
Dialogue: 0,2:02:43.88,2:02:47.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and racial profiling techniques\Nhave been documented,
Dialogue: 0,2:02:47.69,2:02:50.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tried in court and notoriously\Nknown for targeting
Dialogue: 0,2:02:50.55,2:02:55.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and terrorizing those from\Nmy disinvested communities.
Dialogue: 0,2:02:55.30,2:03:00.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are talking about\Nmilitarization to intimidate,
Dialogue: 0,2:03:00.20,2:03:03.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,force their well on\Nblack and brown citizens
Dialogue: 0,2:03:03.94,2:03:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Commonwealth.
Dialogue: 0,2:03:05.48,2:03:08.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A force by their own field interrogations
Dialogue: 0,2:03:08.26,2:03:09.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and observation records,
Dialogue: 0,2:03:09.27,2:03:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,show almost 70% of them\Nwere black residents
Dialogue: 0,2:03:12.64,2:03:16.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a city that's only around 25.2% black.
Dialogue: 0,2:03:16.16,2:03:19.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we're talking about\Ntaking the same force
Dialogue: 0,2:03:19.42,2:03:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and further funding them
Dialogue: 0,2:03:21.58,2:03:24.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and equipping them with another weapon
Dialogue: 0,2:03:24.31,2:03:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would definitely be used\Nto further oppress, target
Dialogue: 0,2:03:27.16,2:03:30.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and incarcerate our sons and fathers
Dialogue: 0,2:03:30.17,2:03:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and daughters and mothers.
Dialogue: 0,2:03:32.13,2:03:34.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My organization is currently\Nsupporting the appeals
Dialogue: 0,2:03:34.58,2:03:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and release efforts of black\Nmen and their families,
Dialogue: 0,2:03:38.00,2:03:40.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have been incarcerated\Nsince the seventies
Dialogue: 0,2:03:40.83,2:03:44.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to a racist profiling\Nand racist misidentification.
Dialogue: 0,2:03:45.16,2:03:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I think about racial\Nrecognition software,
Dialogue: 0,2:03:48.52,2:03:51.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which at best is predatory and inaccurate,
Dialogue: 0,2:03:51.38,2:03:54.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't see a solution\Nand I don't see safety.
Dialogue: 0,2:03:54.68,2:03:56.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see yet another form of racial bias
Dialogue: 0,2:03:56.90,2:03:58.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and another way of police
Dialogue: 0,2:03:59.52,2:04:00.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to cause harm in my community.
Dialogue: 0,2:04:01.31,2:04:04.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today our city's historical\Nracial profiling issue
Dialogue: 0,2:04:04.34,2:04:06.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with, somebody said it earlier,
Dialogue: 0,2:04:06.78,2:04:08.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the federal government study
Dialogue: 0,2:04:08.36,2:04:11.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the algorithm, my fault,
Dialogue: 0,2:04:11.94,2:04:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,failed to identify people of color
Dialogue: 0,2:04:15.00,2:04:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and children and elderly and women.
Dialogue: 0,2:04:18.82,2:04:22.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see that it needs to be banned
Dialogue: 0,2:04:22.41,2:04:25.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we can't continue\Ncondoning and reassuring
Dialogue: 0,2:04:25.29,2:04:29.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and fueling other generations\Nof black and brown
Dialogue: 0,2:04:29.32,2:04:32.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,men and women from Dorchester\NRoxbury and Mattapan,
Dialogue: 0,2:04:32.13,2:04:34.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to more trauma and more incarceration.
Dialogue: 0,2:04:34.71,2:04:37.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Investment in our communities
Dialogue: 0,2:04:37.42,2:04:39.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through community led processes,
Dialogue: 0,2:04:39.27,2:04:41.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the only thing that we need,
Dialogue: 0,2:04:41.43,2:04:43.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not facial recognition tech.
Dialogue: 0,2:04:43.54,2:04:45.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh these bees are messing\Nwith me, sorry about that.
Dialogue: 0,2:04:45.96,2:04:50.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No matter what level that\Ntechnology reaches and thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:04:50.42,2:04:51.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's all I have to say.
Dialogue: 0,2:04:51.33,2:04:52.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna keep it quick.
Dialogue: 0,2:04:54.72,2:04:55.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,2:04:55.73,2:04:56.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I really do appreciate it.
Dialogue: 0,2:04:56.56,2:04:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think, again speak from the heart
Dialogue: 0,2:04:58.00,2:04:59.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about their own experience
Dialogue: 0,2:04:59.29,2:05:02.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and specifically talk about\Nhow it would impact them,
Dialogue: 0,2:05:02.07,2:05:03.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do appreciate that.
Dialogue: 0,2:05:03.94,2:05:05.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not that I don't appreciate the experts
Dialogue: 0,2:05:05.75,2:05:07.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm telling you there's nothing better
Dialogue: 0,2:05:07.21,2:05:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than hearing about how\Nresidents are directly impacted.
Dialogue: 0,2:05:10.14,2:05:10.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:05:11.82,2:05:16.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have also on the list, Cynthia Pades,
Dialogue: 0,2:05:19.23,2:05:20.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't have a name,
Dialogue: 0,2:05:20.96,2:05:23.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I have an organization\Ncalled For the People Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:05:25.57,2:05:27.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think we have either one.
Dialogue: 0,2:05:28.57,2:05:29.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is.
Dialogue: 0,2:05:29.61,2:05:33.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, I see a Marco, Marco Staminivich.
Dialogue: 0,2:05:37.09,2:05:39.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Marco, ready to go?
Dialogue: 0,2:05:41.71,2:05:42.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Marco!
Dialogue: 0,2:05:43.48,2:05:44.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sure.\NOkay.
Dialogue: 0,2:05:45.95,2:05:48.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How is it going everyone.
Dialogue: 0,2:05:48.97,2:05:51.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you to the council and the panelists
Dialogue: 0,2:05:51.90,2:05:53.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for allowing me to speak.
Dialogue: 0,2:05:53.72,2:05:55.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm a machine learning engineer
Dialogue: 0,2:05:55.75,2:05:57.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working in an adjacent field
Dialogue: 0,2:05:57.65,2:06:00.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a resident of Jamaica Plain
Dialogue: 0,2:06:00.47,2:06:02.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm here today as a private citizen.
Dialogue: 0,2:06:02.87,2:06:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is my first time\Nspeaking at a public hearing,
Dialogue: 0,2:06:05.54,2:06:07.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so cut me some slack.
Dialogue: 0,2:06:07.49,2:06:09.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although I'm not an expert
Dialogue: 0,2:06:09.38,2:06:12.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on service on the surveillance\Naspect and the applications,
Dialogue: 0,2:06:12.64,2:06:17.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am familiar with the\Ntechnology aspect of this stuff.
Dialogue: 0,2:06:18.80,2:06:20.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I felt the need to testify today
Dialogue: 0,2:06:20.55,2:06:22.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the gravity of this issue.
Dialogue: 0,2:06:22.81,2:06:27.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although the technology may\Nseem benign upon first glance,
Dialogue: 0,2:06:28.87,2:06:31.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is an extremely\Npowerful and dangerous tool.
Dialogue: 0,2:06:31.63,2:06:33.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So to me this amounts to basically
Dialogue: 0,2:06:33.83,2:06:35.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a form of digital stop and frisk,
Dialogue: 0,2:06:35.95,2:06:37.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's even more dangerous
Dialogue: 0,2:06:37.13,2:06:39.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since it can be kind\Nof constantly running,
Dialogue: 0,2:06:39.80,2:06:43.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,constantly working anywhere at all times,
Dialogue: 0,2:06:43.11,2:06:44.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of tracking folks.
Dialogue: 0,2:06:44.58,2:06:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This seems like a clear violation
Dialogue: 0,2:06:46.28,2:06:48.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Fourth Amendment to me.
Dialogue: 0,2:06:49.29,2:06:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As many commenters and\Npanelists today have noted,
Dialogue: 0,2:06:52.42,2:06:55.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in addition, as many\Nfolks have noted today,
Dialogue: 0,2:06:55.08,2:06:57.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the technology is certainly not perfect
Dialogue: 0,2:06:57.35,2:06:59.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it's riddled with\Nbiases based on the data
Dialogue: 0,2:06:59.97,2:07:02.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it was trained on\Nand how it was trained
Dialogue: 0,2:07:02.30,2:07:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and by the folks that trained it.
Dialogue: 0,2:07:04.80,2:07:07.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And although this is an\Nimportant thing to note,
Dialogue: 0,2:07:07.52,2:07:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this would really be a moot point
Dialogue: 0,2:07:08.93,2:07:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when evaluating these\Ntechnologies for deployment.
Dialogue: 0,2:07:12.12,2:07:15.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because while a poorly\Nfunctioning system is bad
Dialogue: 0,2:07:15.19,2:07:18.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and introduces issues,
Dialogue: 0,2:07:18.26,2:07:21.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a perfectly functioning system\Nwould be much, much worse
Dialogue: 0,2:07:21.27,2:07:23.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and would basically signal a world
Dialogue: 0,2:07:23.10,2:07:24.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we could be tracked out of hand
Dialogue: 0,2:07:24.94,2:07:28.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at any time that police\Nor government wanted.
Dialogue: 0,2:07:28.15,2:07:32.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that's really what I wanted to say.
Dialogue: 0,2:07:32.26,2:07:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wanted to kind of state my support
Dialogue: 0,2:07:37.14,2:07:41.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a ban on any type of\Nfacial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,2:07:41.49,2:07:44.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for use by the police or the government.
Dialogue: 0,2:07:44.21,2:07:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that we should\Ndisincentivize the research
Dialogue: 0,2:07:47.10,2:07:49.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and development of, send clear signal
Dialogue: 0,2:07:51.26,2:07:52.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to disincentivize the\Nresearch and development
Dialogue: 0,2:07:52.73,2:07:55.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of these types of systems in the future.
Dialogue: 0,2:07:55.28,2:07:58.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:07:58.61,2:08:00.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, it was perfect on time,
Dialogue: 0,2:08:00.07,2:08:01.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the first time participating.
Dialogue: 0,2:08:01.50,2:08:02.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We really appreciate it.
Dialogue: 0,2:08:02.47,2:08:04.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hope that this is not your last time.
Dialogue: 0,2:08:04.81,2:08:07.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are dealing with a\Nlot of different issues.
Dialogue: 0,2:08:07.04,2:08:09.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your voice is definitely\Nwelcome, thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,2:08:11.51,2:08:14.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Up next I have,
Dialogue: 0,2:08:14.41,2:08:19.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna name Will Luckman\Nfollowed by Lizette Medina,
Dialogue: 0,2:08:19.53,2:08:23.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then also a Nathan\NSheard, I apologize again,
Dialogue: 0,2:08:23.15,2:08:24.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if I mispronounce your name,
Dialogue: 0,2:08:24.93,2:08:27.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,feel free to just state your name again.
Dialogue: 0,2:08:27.36,2:08:29.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For folks who have already testified,
Dialogue: 0,2:08:29.18,2:08:31.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,again, since we're over capacity,
Dialogue: 0,2:08:31.46,2:08:34.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if you sign out and then watch on YouTube
Dialogue: 0,2:08:34.74,2:08:37.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that allows for someone else\Nto get in line to also speak.
Dialogue: 0,2:08:37.51,2:08:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So just letting you know that
Dialogue: 0,2:08:39.68,2:08:41.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's what we're trying to do.
Dialogue: 0,2:08:42.46,2:08:44.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I will now turn it over.
Dialogue: 0,2:08:44.23,2:08:45.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe Will's ready to go.
Dialogue: 0,2:08:45.87,2:08:47.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And you have two minutes Will.
Dialogue: 0,2:08:48.35,2:08:50.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you. good afternoon.
Dialogue: 0,2:08:50.09,2:08:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Will Luckman\Nand I serve as an organizer
Dialogue: 0,2:08:52.26,2:08:57.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the Surveillance Technology\NOversight Project or STOP
Dialogue: 0,2:08:57.72,2:08:59.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and STOP advocates and litigate
Dialogue: 0,2:08:59.94,2:09:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to fight discriminatory surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,2:09:02.94,2:09:04.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you councilors for\Nholding this hearing today
Dialogue: 0,2:09:04.79,2:09:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for proposing this crucial reform.
Dialogue: 0,2:09:07.62,2:09:11.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today, my oral remarks are an\Nexcerpt of written testimony
Dialogue: 0,2:09:11.04,2:09:13.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,being entered into the record.
Dialogue: 0,2:09:13.11,2:09:16.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facial recognition is biased,\Nbroken, and when it works
Dialogue: 0,2:09:16.83,2:09:19.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,antithetical to a democratic society.
Dialogue: 0,2:09:19.43,2:09:22.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And crucially, without this ban,
Dialogue: 0,2:09:22.18,2:09:25.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more people of color will be\Nwrongly stopped by the police
Dialogue: 0,2:09:25.22,2:09:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at a moment when the\Ndangers of police encounters
Dialogue: 0,2:09:27.28,2:09:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have never been clearer.
Dialogue: 0,2:09:29.04,2:09:30.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The technology that\Ndrives facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,2:09:30.94,2:09:33.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is far more subjective than many realize.
Dialogue: 0,2:09:34.44,2:09:36.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Artificial intelligence is the aggregation
Dialogue: 0,2:09:36.27,2:09:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of countless human decisions\Ncodified into algorithms.
Dialogue: 0,2:09:40.12,2:09:43.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as a result, human\Nbias can affect AI systems,
Dialogue: 0,2:09:43.94,2:09:46.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including those that\Nsupposedly recognize faces
Dialogue: 0,2:09:46.95,2:09:48.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in countless ways.
Dialogue: 0,2:09:48.43,2:09:51.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, if a security camera learns
Dialogue: 0,2:09:51.05,2:09:53.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you are a suspicious looking,\Nusing pictures of inmates,
Dialogue: 0,2:09:53.60,2:09:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the photos will teach the AI
Dialogue: 0,2:09:54.96,2:09:58.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to replicate the mass incarceration\Nof African-American men.
Dialogue: 0,2:09:58.81,2:10:01.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this way, AI can\Nlearn to be just like us
Dialogue: 0,2:10:01.99,2:10:03.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,exacerbating structural discrimination
Dialogue: 0,2:10:03.90,2:10:06.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against marginalized communities.
Dialogue: 0,2:10:06.29,2:10:07.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As we've heard,
Dialogue: 0,2:10:07.27,2:10:10.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if facial recognition\Nworked without errors,
Dialogue: 0,2:10:10.24,2:10:11.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if it had no bias,
Dialogue: 0,2:10:11.94,2:10:14.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the technology would\Nstill remain antithetical
Dialogue: 0,2:10:14.07,2:10:16.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to everything the city\Nof Boston believes in.
Dialogue: 0,2:10:16.42,2:10:18.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facial recognition\Nmanufacturers are trying
Dialogue: 0,2:10:18.69,2:10:21.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to create a system that\Nallows everyone to be tracked
Dialogue: 0,2:10:21.07,2:10:23.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at every moment in perpetuity.
Dialogue: 0,2:10:23.45,2:10:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go to a protest, he system knows,
Dialogue: 0,2:10:25.52,2:10:28.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,go to a health facility,\Nit keeps a record.
Dialogue: 0,2:10:28.46,2:10:31.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Suddenly Bostonians lose\Nthe freedom of movement
Dialogue: 0,2:10:31.62,2:10:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is essential to an open society.
Dialogue: 0,2:10:33.30,2:10:35.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If the city fails to act soon,
Dialogue: 0,2:10:35.23,2:10:38.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will only become\Nharder to enact reforms.
Dialogue: 0,2:10:38.20,2:10:41.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Companies are pressuring local\Nstate and federal agencies
Dialogue: 0,2:10:41.26,2:10:43.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to adopt facial recognition tools.
Dialogue: 0,2:10:43.04,2:10:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BriefCam, the software\Npowering Boston's surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:10:46.46,2:10:49.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,camera network, has released a\Nnew version of their software
Dialogue: 0,2:10:49.30,2:10:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would easily integrate
Dialogue: 0,2:10:50.76,2:10:52.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,invasive facial recognition tools.
Dialogue: 0,2:10:52.90,2:10:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although the commissioner
Dialogue: 0,2:10:54.06,2:10:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,says he will reevaluate\Nthe new version on offer.
Dialogue: 0,2:10:56.70,2:10:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,He also expressed interest in waiting
Dialogue: 0,2:10:58.80,2:11:01.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,until the accuracy of\Nthe technology improves
Dialogue: 0,2:11:01.39,2:11:05.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or making exceptions for facial\Nrecognition use right now.
Dialogue: 0,2:11:05.43,2:11:08.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To definitively and\Npermanently avoid the issues
Dialogue: 0,2:11:08.55,2:11:11.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with facial recognition\Nthat I've raised here,
Dialogue: 0,2:11:11.32,2:11:13.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need comprehensive ban now.
Dialogue: 0,2:11:13.70,2:11:16.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'll conclude on a personal note.
Dialogue: 0,2:11:16.25,2:11:17.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I live and work in New York City,
Dialogue: 0,2:11:17.58,2:11:20.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I was born in Boston\Nand raised in Brooklyn,.
Dialogue: 0,2:11:20.06,2:11:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it pains me to see the\Ncurrent wave of protests
Dialogue: 0,2:11:23.24,2:11:24.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,roiling the area,
Dialogue: 0,2:11:24.07,2:11:25.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it demonstrates the bias
Dialogue: 0,2:11:25.16,2:11:27.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and unequal law enforcement practices
Dialogue: 0,2:11:27.03,2:11:29.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I remember from my youth,\Nhave yet to be addressed.
Dialogue: 0,2:11:29.96,2:11:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that the people of the Commonwealth
Dialogue: 0,2:11:31.84,2:11:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,want to see a change,
Dialogue: 0,2:11:33.22,2:11:36.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I believe that the\Ncouncil is on their side.
Dialogue: 0,2:11:36.10,2:11:38.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In practice, inaccuracies aside,
Dialogue: 0,2:11:38.71,2:11:41.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facial recognition systems\Nlead to increased stops
Dialogue: 0,2:11:41.27,2:11:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people of color, increased stops means
Dialogue: 0,2:11:43.98,2:11:47.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,an increase in opportunity\Nfor police violence and abuse.
Dialogue: 0,2:11:47.03,2:11:49.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We must recognize that Black Lives Matter
Dialogue: 0,2:11:49.13,2:11:50.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to do so we must realize
Dialogue: 0,2:11:50.88,2:11:54.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that technology doesn't\Noperate in a neutral vacuum.
Dialogue: 0,2:11:54.02,2:11:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Instead it takes on the character
Dialogue: 0,2:11:55.78,2:11:57.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of those building and deploying it.
Dialogue: 0,2:11:57.96,2:11:59.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I encouraged the council to respond
Dialogue: 0,2:11:59.75,2:12:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to their constituents\Ndemands for police reform
Dialogue: 0,2:12:02.40,2:12:03.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by immediately banning the use
Dialogue: 0,2:12:05.46,2:12:06.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this harmful technology in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:12:07.22,2:12:09.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.\NThank you very much Will.
Dialogue: 0,2:12:09.46,2:12:10.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Lizet Medina.
Dialogue: 0,2:12:12.67,2:12:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, good afternoon.
Dialogue: 0,2:12:15.48,2:12:18.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Lizet Medina, I'm\Nhere as a private citizen.
Dialogue: 0,2:12:18.85,2:12:22.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I actually am pretty new to all of this.
Dialogue: 0,2:12:22.02,2:12:23.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This week I've found out
Dialogue: 0,2:12:23.62,2:12:26.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the Student Immigration Movement,
Dialogue: 0,2:12:26.42,2:12:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kind of what's going on.
Dialogue: 0,2:12:28.00,2:12:32.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just wanted to voice\Nmy support for this ban.
Dialogue: 0,2:12:32.21,2:12:35.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think for personally, as an immigrant,
Dialogue: 0,2:12:35.28,2:12:38.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and speaking toward like the presence
Dialogue: 0,2:12:38.72,2:12:41.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of facial recognition\Ntechnology in the school system,
Dialogue: 0,2:12:41.34,2:12:43.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think especially where we\Nhave so many conversations
Dialogue: 0,2:12:43.78,2:12:46.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with like the school to prison pipeline.
Dialogue: 0,2:12:46.62,2:12:48.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This tool could be used to facilitate
Dialogue: 0,2:12:48.93,2:12:53.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that kind of work in racially profiling
Dialogue: 0,2:12:53.43,2:12:55.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and profile of our students.
Dialogue: 0,2:12:55.40,2:12:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think now more than ever,
Dialogue: 0,2:12:57.92,2:13:02.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have this point in\Ntime a decision to make
Dialogue: 0,2:13:02.47,2:13:05.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in protecting our residents of color,
Dialogue: 0,2:13:05.61,2:13:08.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,black and brown residents and students
Dialogue: 0,2:13:08.94,2:13:13.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as they live in and try to\Nnavigate the various systems
Dialogue: 0,2:13:13.64,2:13:15.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are already putting pressure on them.
Dialogue: 0,2:13:15.41,2:13:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I think, especially\Nin light of recent events,
Dialogue: 0,2:13:19.66,2:13:22.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is really a stand to support
Dialogue: 0,2:13:22.53,2:13:24.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,residents of color in Boston,
Dialogue: 0,2:13:24.72,2:13:29.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over possible pros that\Ncould be looked at in this.
Dialogue: 0,2:13:30.50,2:13:32.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I also think it's troubling
Dialogue: 0,2:13:32.72,2:13:35.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the commissioner doesn't seem
Dialogue: 0,2:13:35.19,2:13:36.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be clear about What's\Nkind of going on with this.
Dialogue: 0,2:13:36.39,2:13:40.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In addition that it also isn't clear
Dialogue: 0,2:13:40.96,2:13:45.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is even a\Nsurveillance of whether or not,
Dialogue: 0,2:13:45.68,2:13:48.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this could be used already,\Nthat kind of thing.
Dialogue: 0,2:13:49.16,2:13:50.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I think one, I'm just so thankful
Dialogue: 0,2:13:51.26,2:13:52.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this conversation is being had,
Dialogue: 0,2:13:52.82,2:13:54.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this is open to the public
Dialogue: 0,2:13:54.28,2:13:56.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that I just wanted to voice my concern
Dialogue: 0,2:13:56.60,2:13:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this being a tool for racial profiling
Dialogue: 0,2:13:59.96,2:14:03.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and my support in the ban.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:03.17,2:14:04.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:04.44,2:14:05.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very much.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:06.50,2:14:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next is Nathan Sheard.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:08.80,2:14:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Again I apologize if I\Nmispronounced your name.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:11.52,2:14:12.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have two minutes Nathan, go ahead.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:12.97,2:14:15.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,No, you said it perfectly, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:15.77,2:14:17.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So my name is Nathan Sheard
Dialogue: 0,2:14:17.27,2:14:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you for allowing me to speak
Dialogue: 0,2:14:20.22,2:14:21.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on behalf of the Electronic\NFrontier Foundation
Dialogue: 0,2:14:22.08,2:14:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our 30,000 members.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:23.08,2:14:24.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Electronic Frontier Foundation,
Dialogue: 0,2:14:24.55,2:14:25.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strongly supports legislation
Dialogue: 0,2:14:25.47,2:14:27.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that bans government\Nagencies and employees
Dialogue: 0,2:14:27.30,2:14:29.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from using face surveillance technology.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:29.20,2:14:31.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We thank the sponsors of this ordinance
Dialogue: 0,2:14:31.70,2:14:33.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for their attention to\Nthis critical issue.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:33.88,2:14:36.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Face surveillance is profoundly\Ndangerous for many reasons.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:36.17,2:14:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, in tracking our faces,
Dialogue: 0,2:14:38.08,2:14:40.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a unique marker that we can not change,
Dialogue: 0,2:14:40.69,2:14:42.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it invades our privacy.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:42.38,2:14:45.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Second, government use of the\Ntechnology in public places
Dialogue: 0,2:14:45.17,2:14:46.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will chill people from engaging
Dialogue: 0,2:14:46.66,2:14:48.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First Amendment protected activity.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:48.40,2:14:50.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Research shows and courts\Nhave long recognized
Dialogue: 0,2:14:50.92,2:14:52.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that government surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:14:52.38,2:14:54.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the First Amendment\Nactivity has a deterrent effect.
Dialogue: 0,2:14:54.81,2:14:56.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Third surveillance\Ntechnologies have an unfair,
Dialogue: 0,2:14:56.88,2:15:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,disparate impact against\Npeople of color, immigrants
Dialogue: 0,2:15:00.00,2:15:01.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other vulnerable populations.
Dialogue: 0,2:15:01.84,2:15:04.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Watch lists are frequently over-inclusive,
Dialogue: 0,2:15:04.25,2:15:06.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,error riddled and used in conjunction
Dialogue: 0,2:15:06.06,2:15:08.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with powerful mathematical algorithms,
Dialogue: 0,2:15:08.11,2:15:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which often amplify bias.
Dialogue: 0,2:15:10.36,2:15:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thus space surveillance is so dangerous
Dialogue: 0,2:15:12.40,2:15:15.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that governments must not use it at all.
Dialogue: 0,2:15:15.83,2:15:17.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We support the aims of this ordinance
Dialogue: 0,2:15:17.45,2:15:19.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and respectfully seek three amendments
Dialogue: 0,2:15:19.82,2:15:22.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to show that the bill will appropriately
Dialogue: 0,2:15:22.35,2:15:23.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,protect the rights of Boston residents.
Dialogue: 0,2:15:23.28,2:15:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,First, the bill has an\Nexemption for evidence
Dialogue: 0,2:15:25.62,2:15:27.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generated by face of bills
Dialogue: 0,2:15:27.05,2:15:29.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that relates to investigation of crime.
Dialogue: 0,2:15:29.43,2:15:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If that respectfully ask that'd be amended
Dialogue: 0,2:15:31.84,2:15:34.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to prohibit the use of face\Nsurveillance enabled evidence
Dialogue: 0,2:15:34.91,2:15:37.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,generated by or at the request
Dialogue: 0,2:15:37.77,2:15:40.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Boston Police Department\Nor any Boston official.
Dialogue: 0,2:15:40.80,2:15:42.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Second, the private right of action
Dialogue: 0,2:15:42.72,2:15:45.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does not provide the shipping\Nfor a prevailing plaintiff.
Dialogue: 0,2:15:45.85,2:15:47.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Without such fee shipping,
Dialogue: 0,2:15:47.01,2:15:50.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the only private enforcers\Nwill be advocacy organizations
Dialogue: 0,2:15:50.21,2:15:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wealthy individuals.
Dialogue: 0,2:15:51.64,2:15:54.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to be eff respectfully\Nask that the language
Dialogue: 0,2:15:54.96,2:15:57.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,be included toward\Nreasonable attorney fees
Dialogue: 0,2:15:57.80,2:15:59.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a prevailing plaintiff.
Dialogue: 0,2:15:59.51,2:16:01.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Third, the ban extends to private sector
Dialogue: 0,2:16:01.61,2:16:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use of face surveillance conducted\Nwith a government permit.
Dialogue: 0,2:16:04.63,2:16:08.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The better approach as\NKade has offered earlier,
Dialogue: 0,2:16:08.23,2:16:13.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to use face surveillance is used only
Dialogue: 0,2:16:16.21,2:16:18.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with informed opt-in consent.
Dialogue: 0,2:16:18.21,2:16:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thus you have to respectfully requests
Dialogue: 0,2:16:20.32,2:16:21.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the language be limited
Dialogue: 0,2:16:21.73,2:16:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to prohibiting private sector permitting
Dialogue: 0,2:16:24.00,2:16:25.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the use of face\Nsurveillance recognition
Dialogue: 0,2:16:25.72,2:16:27.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the government's request.
Dialogue: 0,2:16:27.56,2:16:30.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And closing EFF, once again\Nthanks to the sponsors.
Dialogue: 0,2:16:30.64,2:16:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Look forward to seeing an ordinance pass
Dialogue: 0,2:16:32.92,2:16:34.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that bans government use of\Nface surveillance in Boston
Dialogue: 0,2:16:34.26,2:16:36.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and will enthusiastically\Nsupport the ordinance banning
Dialogue: 0,2:16:36.74,2:16:38.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,face recognition technology in Boston,
Dialogue: 0,2:16:38.78,2:16:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if it is amended in these ways, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:16:41.83,2:16:43.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nathan, I just wanna make sure I notes
Dialogue: 0,2:16:43.70,2:16:44.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on your suggestions.
Dialogue: 0,2:16:46.16,2:16:47.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wanna make sure you had three,
Dialogue: 0,2:16:47.25,2:16:49.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is the ban that used by the BPB,
Dialogue: 0,2:16:49.42,2:16:52.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no exemptions, period.
Dialogue: 0,2:16:52.86,2:16:56.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Two, that currently because [indistinct]
Dialogue: 0,2:16:56.63,2:16:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't allow for fee\Nshifting our attorney fees,
Dialogue: 0,2:16:58.66,2:17:01.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it really does put it\Non either individuals
Dialogue: 0,2:17:01.00,2:17:04.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to take it on their own\Nwithout having any kind of,
Dialogue: 0,2:17:04.28,2:17:08.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess partner care or\Nsupport that helps be funded.
Dialogue: 0,2:17:08.71,2:17:11.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then three to extend\Nto private actors,
Dialogue: 0,2:17:11.99,2:17:14.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,essentially down the supply chain
Dialogue: 0,2:17:14.25,2:17:15.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where the city of Boston\Ncan tell private actors
Dialogue: 0,2:17:15.66,2:17:17.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that contract with us.
Dialogue: 0,2:17:17.71,2:17:21.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Because one of the reasons\NI am always saying this,
Dialogue: 0,2:17:21.01,2:17:23.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the issues is how far we can go.
Dialogue: 0,2:17:23.56,2:17:25.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, we can't regulate Facebook,
Dialogue: 0,2:17:25.13,2:17:27.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we can regulate where money goes.
Dialogue: 0,2:17:27.22,2:17:28.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm assuming spot that.
Dialogue: 0,2:17:29.93,2:17:32.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, so just to reiterate,
Dialogue: 0,2:17:32.14,2:17:35.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the First Amendment\Nthat we would suggest
Dialogue: 0,2:17:35.08,2:17:37.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that in right now,
Dialogue: 0,2:17:38.36,2:17:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's an exclusion\Nfor forever for evidence
Dialogue: 0,2:17:40.21,2:17:41.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Kade spoke earlier
Dialogue: 0,2:17:41.94,2:17:43.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the fact that that's in reference to,
Dialogue: 0,2:17:43.60,2:17:45.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if they receive something\Nfrom the federal government
Dialogue: 0,2:17:45.15,2:17:46.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or one to post or what have you.
Dialogue: 0,2:17:46.63,2:17:48.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But to make sure that it's amended
Dialogue: 0,2:17:48.97,2:17:50.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to tighten that up a bit and say that,
Dialogue: 0,2:17:50.87,2:17:54.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as long as that\Ninformation isn't requested
Dialogue: 0,2:17:54.50,2:17:56.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or created at the request\Nof the Boston police forums,
Dialogue: 0,2:17:56.78,2:17:57.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's the first one.
Dialogue: 0,2:17:58.100,2:17:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The second one is the fee shipping.
Dialogue: 0,2:18:00.91,2:18:01.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that it's not just the EFF and the ACLU
Dialogue: 0,2:18:01.97,2:18:04.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wealthy individuals\Nthat have the power
Dialogue: 0,2:18:04.59,2:18:06.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to make sure that it's enforced.
Dialogue: 0,2:18:06.70,2:18:08.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So folks can find\Nattorneys to support them
Dialogue: 0,2:18:08.81,2:18:12.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the attorneys will\Nbe compensated for that time.
Dialogue: 0,2:18:12.35,2:18:14.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And finally, on the third.
Dialogue: 0,2:18:14.05,2:18:16.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think that this speaks\Nto your greater question,
Dialogue: 0,2:18:16.45,2:18:20.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,right now it's it prohibits\Nthe offering of a permit
Dialogue: 0,2:18:20.28,2:18:25.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to a private company, agency\Nperson, what have you,
Dialogue: 0,2:18:25.10,2:18:27.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,whereas we would tightened up to say that
Dialogue: 0,2:18:27.27,2:18:29.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that a permit could be provided
Dialogue: 0,2:18:29.15,2:18:31.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as long it wasn't being provided
Dialogue: 0,2:18:31.45,2:18:34.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for face surveillance to\Nbe collected at the behest
Dialogue: 0,2:18:34.43,2:18:38.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or at the request of the\NBoston Police Department.
Dialogue: 0,2:18:38.09,2:18:38.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So really making sure
Dialogue: 0,2:18:38.99,2:18:41.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we're speaking back to the fact
Dialogue: 0,2:18:41.53,2:18:44.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that like private use\Nwould be better protected
Dialogue: 0,2:18:44.34,2:18:46.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by something similar to
Dialogue: 0,2:18:46.05,2:18:48.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Biometric Information\NPrivacy Act in Illinois
Dialogue: 0,2:18:48.47,2:18:52.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that requires; informed,\Nopt-in and concept
Dialogue: 0,2:18:52.26,2:18:53.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the individual,
Dialogue: 0,2:18:53.38,2:18:55.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than simply saying
Dialogue: 0,2:18:55.14,2:18:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that no private doctor can do space.
Dialogue: 0,2:18:58.40,2:18:59.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:18:59.61,2:19:01.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was a great clarification.
Dialogue: 0,2:19:01.42,2:19:03.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna go now to our next speakers.
Dialogue: 0,2:19:03.58,2:19:05.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,2:19:05.49,2:19:10.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a Sabrina Barosso,\NElmeda and Christina Vasquez.
Dialogue: 0,2:19:13.29,2:19:17.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if we have.
Dialogue: 0,2:19:18.47,2:19:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi folks, thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,2:19:20.97,2:19:23.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just to let folks know,\NChristina is not with us.
Dialogue: 0,2:19:23.58,2:19:26.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some folks had to leave\Nbecause they have to work,
Dialogue: 0,2:19:26.61,2:19:29.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but so hi everyone, hi city councilors.
Dialogue: 0,2:19:29.12,2:19:30.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Sabrina Barroso.
Dialogue: 0,2:19:30.69,2:19:33.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am the lead organizer for\Nthe Student Immigrant Movement.
Dialogue: 0,2:19:33.87,2:19:36.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first undocumented\Nimmigrant youth led organization
Dialogue: 0,2:19:36.87,2:19:38.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the state of Massachusetts.
Dialogue: 0,2:19:38.57,2:19:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We believe that all\Nyoung people are powerful
Dialogue: 0,2:19:40.92,2:19:42.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that when you are\Nsupported and have space
Dialogue: 0,2:19:42.92,2:19:43.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and investment to grow,
Dialogue: 0,2:19:43.90,2:19:46.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they flourished into the\Nleaders of today and tomorrow.
Dialogue: 0,2:19:46.12,2:19:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At SIM, we are invested in protecting
Dialogue: 0,2:19:48.80,2:19:50.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and working on behalf of\Nthe undocumented youth
Dialogue: 0,2:19:50.93,2:19:53.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for families of Massachusetts.
Dialogue: 0,2:19:53.02,2:19:55.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's why I'm here with you all today
Dialogue: 0,2:19:55.14,2:19:56.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I would like to make clear
Dialogue: 0,2:19:56.15,2:19:59.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we must prohibit the\Nuse of facial recognition,
Dialogue: 0,2:19:59.48,2:20:01.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology and software\Nin the city of Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:20:01.67,2:20:03.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For far too long the\NBoston Police Department
Dialogue: 0,2:20:03.74,2:20:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been allowed to have full flexibility
Dialogue: 0,2:20:06.88,2:20:10.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and freewill over how the police\Nand surveil our communities
Dialogue: 0,2:20:10.03,2:20:11.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the consequences are devastating.
Dialogue: 0,2:20:11.86,2:20:15.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our people are being criminalized\Nand funneled into prisons,
Dialogue: 0,2:20:15.29,2:20:17.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,detention and deportation.
Dialogue: 0,2:20:17.33,2:20:19.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need full community\Ncontrol over the police.
Dialogue: 0,2:20:19.63,2:20:22.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is a key move to\Nbringing power to our people.
Dialogue: 0,2:20:22.26,2:20:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right now, there are no laws
Dialogue: 0,2:20:24.42,2:20:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that control what the BPD\Ncan purchase for surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:20:27.00,2:20:29.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or how they use it and\Nwhen I learned this,
Dialogue: 0,2:20:29.30,2:20:31.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was scared because I\Nthought about the history
Dialogue: 0,2:20:31.73,2:20:34.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between the BPD and families like mine.
Dialogue: 0,2:20:34.28,2:20:36.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I thought about the people that I love
Dialogue: 0,2:20:36.22,2:20:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that the people I care about.
Dialogue: 0,2:20:39.30,2:20:41.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I thought about the people\Nwho are constantly harassed
Dialogue: 0,2:20:41.59,2:20:44.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and targeted by law enforcement\Nsimply for existing.
Dialogue: 0,2:20:44.66,2:20:45.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if you ask me,
Dialogue: 0,2:20:45.64,2:20:47.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facial recognition is not to be trusted
Dialogue: 0,2:20:48.76,2:20:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the hands of law enforcement,
Dialogue: 0,2:20:50.32,2:20:51.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that tracks, monitors, hyper surveils,
Dialogue: 0,2:20:51.95,2:20:53.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,black and brown communities,
Dialogue: 0,2:20:53.49,2:20:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that puts immigrants and activists,
Dialogue: 0,2:20:55.64,2:20:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,youth under constant\Nscrutiny and criminalization.
Dialogue: 0,2:20:59.90,2:21:02.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Councilors, would you really\Ntrust a police department
Dialogue: 0,2:21:02.83,2:21:04.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that shares information to I.C.E?
Dialogue: 0,2:21:04.72,2:21:07.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's share student\Ninformation to I.C.E as well.
Dialogue: 0,2:21:07.89,2:21:10.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That has led to the\Ndeportation of students
Dialogue: 0,2:21:10.22,2:21:13.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that exchange emails saying\Nhappy hunting with I.C.E.
Dialogue: 0,2:21:13.90,2:21:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that has historically targeted
Dialogue: 0,2:21:16.06,2:21:19.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,black and brown youth to\Ninvade their personal space,
Dialogue: 0,2:21:19.13,2:21:22.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,their bodies and their\Nprivacy with stop and frisk.
Dialogue: 0,2:21:22.15,2:21:24.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There is not a shame to separate youth
Dialogue: 0,2:21:24.95,2:21:27.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from their and their families\Nfrom their communities
Dialogue: 0,2:21:27.16,2:21:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then end up pinning,\Ninjustices and crimes on us.
Dialogue: 0,2:21:30.48,2:21:33.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The BPD says that they don't\Nuse spatial surveillance now,
Dialogue: 0,2:21:33.98,2:21:35.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they have access to it.
Dialogue: 0,2:21:35.65,2:21:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they have a $414\Nmillion budget to buy it.
Dialogue: 0,2:21:39.06,2:21:41.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Right now, our communities need access
Dialogue: 0,2:21:41.39,2:21:43.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to funding for healthcare,\Nhousing and so many other things
Dialogue: 0,2:21:43.98,2:21:45.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the list goes on.
Dialogue: 0,2:21:45.34,2:21:47.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For years, residents of\NBoston have been demanding
Dialogue: 0,2:21:47.55,2:21:49.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to fund things that truly matter to them
Dialogue: 0,2:21:49.41,2:21:51.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we have to invest in things
Dialogue: 0,2:21:51.30,2:21:53.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are not face surveillance\Nthat doesn't even work
Dialogue: 0,2:21:53.81,2:21:56.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and is irrelevant to\Nkeeping our community safe.
Dialogue: 0,2:21:56.21,2:21:59.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We must invest in intentional\Nrestorative justice practices,
Dialogue: 0,2:21:59.80,2:22:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,healthcare, mental health and resources
Dialogue: 0,2:22:02.52,2:22:04.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to prevent violence and distress.
Dialogue: 0,2:22:04.58,2:22:07.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facial surveillance would\Nend privacy as we know it
Dialogue: 0,2:22:07.01,2:22:09.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and completely throw off the balance
Dialogue: 0,2:22:09.49,2:22:11.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and power between people\Nand their government.
Dialogue: 0,2:22:11.16,2:22:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Listen to youth and\Nlistening to our community,
Dialogue: 0,2:22:13.40,2:22:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and let's follow the lead of young people
Dialogue: 0,2:22:16.32,2:22:18.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are addressing the deeper issue
Dialogue: 0,2:22:18.70,2:22:20.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of what is to criminalize our people
Dialogue: 0,2:22:20.51,2:22:23.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and putting the power in\Nthe hands of the people,
Dialogue: 0,2:22:23.18,2:22:26.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially when it comes\Nto governing surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,2:22:26.18,2:22:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you all so much.
Dialogue: 0,2:22:27.76,2:22:28.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much
Dialogue: 0,2:22:28.92,2:22:30.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it'S like Christina's\Nnot available, Sabrina.
Dialogue: 0,2:22:30.72,2:22:33.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, she's not available.
Dialogue: 0,2:22:33.53,2:22:38.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, Ismleda.
Dialogue: 0,2:22:41.62,2:22:46.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm Ismleda and a member of\Nthe City Media Movements.
Dialogue: 0,2:22:48.89,2:22:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Today I'm here to testify in support
Dialogue: 0,2:22:50.64,2:22:53.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of ban in facial recognition\Ntechnology in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:22:53.26,2:22:56.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This will establish a\Nban of government use
Dialogue: 0,2:22:56.20,2:22:58.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of face surveillance\Nin the city of Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:22:58.37,2:23:01.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boston must pass this\Nordinance to join Springfield,
Dialogue: 0,2:23:01.95,2:23:04.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Somerville, Cambridge,\NBrooklyn and North Hampton
Dialogue: 0,2:23:04.88,2:23:07.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in protecting racial justice\Nand freedom of speech.
Dialogue: 0,2:23:07.45,2:23:10.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The feather of study\Npublished in December 2019,
Dialogue: 0,2:23:10.100,2:23:13.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,found that face recognition algorithms
Dialogue: 0,2:23:13.36,2:23:15.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are much more likely to fail
Dialogue: 0,2:23:15.41,2:23:17.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when attempted to identify\Nthe faces of people of color,
Dialogue: 0,2:23:17.74,2:23:20.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,children, the elderly and women.
Dialogue: 0,2:23:20.40,2:23:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means that technology\Nonly reliably works
Dialogue: 0,2:23:22.92,2:23:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on middle aged white men.
Dialogue: 0,2:23:26.76,2:23:29.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It very small fraction\Nof busters precedents.
Dialogue: 0,2:23:31.08,2:23:33.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a citizen of Boston,
Dialogue: 0,2:23:33.06,2:23:35.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is clear to me that\Nthis type of technology
Dialogue: 0,2:23:35.26,2:23:37.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not okay to use in our communities.
Dialogue: 0,2:23:37.23,2:23:39.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fact that this technology
Dialogue: 0,2:23:39.27,2:23:42.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is used to control specifically\Nin communities of color,
Dialogue: 0,2:23:42.84,2:23:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,makes my family and me feel unsafe,
Dialogue: 0,2:23:45.60,2:23:46.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as well as the other families
Dialogue: 0,2:23:46.83,2:23:48.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that live within this communities.
Dialogue: 0,2:23:48.63,2:23:51.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Black and brown kids\Nare put into databases
Dialogue: 0,2:23:51.85,2:23:55.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are used against them\Nwithout redness or reason.
Dialogue: 0,2:23:55.29,2:23:57.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This interrupts our education\Nand limits our future.
Dialogue: 0,2:23:57.57,2:23:59.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kids shouldn't be criminalized\Nor feeling unsafe.
Dialogue: 0,2:23:59.87,2:24:03.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Black and brown kids should\Nbe able to walk on the street
Dialogue: 0,2:24:03.12,2:24:07.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without the fear of knowing\Nwhat's going to happen.
Dialogue: 0,2:24:07.25,2:24:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it shows how this surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:24:09.87,2:24:12.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is used to target black\Nand brown communities.
Dialogue: 0,2:24:12.39,2:24:14.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The racial profiling in technology
Dialogue: 0,2:24:14.53,2:24:17.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is one of the many forms\Nof systematic racism.
Dialogue: 0,2:24:17.43,2:24:20.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Immigrant youth in this\Ncity do not trust the police
Dialogue: 0,2:24:20.73,2:24:23.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we know that they\Nare very close with I.C.E.
Dialogue: 0,2:24:23.49,2:24:26.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know that they sent a\Nstudent information to I.C.E,
Dialogue: 0,2:24:26.51,2:24:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this has led to the\Ndeportation of junk people
Dialogue: 0,2:24:30.32,2:24:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and pains our communities.
Dialogue: 0,2:24:32.56,2:24:34.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[indistinct]
Dialogue: 0,2:24:40.32,2:24:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,BPD, cameras with surveillance\Nand criminalization of us.
Dialogue: 0,2:24:45.45,2:24:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's not right.
Dialogue: 0,2:24:46.70,2:24:48.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone on the council at some point
Dialogue: 0,2:24:48.29,2:24:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has talked about supporting young people
Dialogue: 0,2:24:52.07,2:24:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and young people being our future leaders.
Dialogue: 0,2:24:53.08,2:24:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are leaders right now,
Dialogue: 0,2:24:54.06,2:24:57.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we are telling you to do\Nwhat everyone knows is right.
Dialogue: 0,2:24:57.64,2:25:00.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,By preventing the use of facial\Nrecognition surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,2:25:00.25,2:25:03.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we can do more to protect\Nimmigrant families in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:25:03.49,2:25:05.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Stop selling youth and families out.
Dialogue: 0,2:25:05.08,2:25:07.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's give power to people
Dialogue: 0,2:25:07.13,2:25:09.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and take this first step in\Naddressing the problem we have
Dialogue: 0,2:25:09.13,2:25:10.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with law enforcement surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:25:10.46,2:25:12.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and criminalization or people\Nby surveillance system.
Dialogue: 0,2:25:12.76,2:25:13.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much
Dialogue: 0,2:25:15.15,2:25:17.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next up, the next group\Nof folks we have are,
Dialogue: 0,2:25:17.35,2:25:22.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sherlandy Pardieu, Eli Harmon,\NNatalie Diaz and Jose Gomez.
Dialogue: 0,2:25:27.90,2:25:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So is Sherlandy available.
Dialogue: 0,2:25:32.38,2:25:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see that person in\Nthe waiting room, sorry.
Dialogue: 0,2:25:47.37,2:25:50.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, we'll go ahead and go to Eli.
Dialogue: 0,2:25:53.00,2:25:55.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think I see right now, ready to go
Dialogue: 0,2:25:55.36,2:25:58.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and then we'll come back to Sherlandy,
Dialogue: 0,2:26:00.20,2:26:02.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Eli you have two minutes.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:02.12,2:26:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:03.50,2:26:04.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oh, who's speaking?
Dialogue: 0,2:26:05.56,2:26:06.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oh, sorry, this is Eli.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:06.98,2:26:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, very well.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:08.29,2:26:09.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:09.31,2:26:11.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Eli Harmon,\NI live in Mission Hill.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:11.64,2:26:15.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been doing work with the\NStudent Immigrant Movement.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:15.35,2:26:18.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm testifying on behalf of them today,
Dialogue: 0,2:26:18.16,2:26:20.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in support of the ordinance.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:20.01,2:26:21.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The issue of police surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:26:21.25,2:26:23.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is enormously important to people
Dialogue: 0,2:26:23.00,2:26:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all across the city of Boston
Dialogue: 0,2:26:24.76,2:26:27.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,though it's of particular\Nconcern to communities of color,
Dialogue: 0,2:26:27.72,2:26:29.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which it overwhelmingly targets.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:29.71,2:26:31.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A study done by MIT research
Dialogue: 0,2:26:31.47,2:26:33.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,showed this type of\Nsurveillance technology
Dialogue: 0,2:26:33.25,2:26:35.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be far less accurate\Nfor people of color.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:35.37,2:26:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in fact, it was inaccurate\Nfor 35% of black women
Dialogue: 0,2:26:39.68,2:26:43.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and was most accurate for white adult men.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:43.16,2:26:45.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Law enforcement today, already of course,
Dialogue: 0,2:26:45.84,2:26:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,overwhelmingly targets\Nblack and brown communities.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:48.96,2:26:50.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this type of technology
Dialogue: 0,2:26:50.01,2:26:52.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is likely to only make\Nthis more severe case.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:52.58,2:26:54.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Additionally this type of technology
Dialogue: 0,2:26:54.57,2:26:56.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a complete violation\Nof people's privacy.
Dialogue: 0,2:26:56.94,2:26:58.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are no regulations with regard
Dialogue: 0,2:26:58.73,2:27:00.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the extent to which law enforcement
Dialogue: 0,2:27:00.15,2:27:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can use this technology.
Dialogue: 0,2:27:01.60,2:27:03.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it has been used as an abuse of power
Dialogue: 0,2:27:03.53,2:27:05.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by government officials in\Norder to track down immigrants,
Dialogue: 0,2:27:05.68,2:27:07.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people of color and activists.
Dialogue: 0,2:27:07.90,2:27:09.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Finally, lots of money goes into funding
Dialogue: 0,2:27:09.54,2:27:10.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this surveillance technology,
Dialogue: 0,2:27:10.70,2:27:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for the reasons previously stated
Dialogue: 0,2:27:12.43,2:27:15.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this technology in no way\Nkeeps our communities safe
Dialogue: 0,2:27:15.68,2:27:17.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the money that currently funds it,
Dialogue: 0,2:27:17.37,2:27:19.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could be put into much better places,
Dialogue: 0,2:27:19.03,2:27:21.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as creating\Naffordable housing for all,
Dialogue: 0,2:27:21.03,2:27:23.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fully funding the Boston public schools,
Dialogue: 0,2:27:23.54,2:27:27.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,creating equitable healthcare
Dialogue: 0,2:27:27.06,2:27:29.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and other places which\Nwould actually be effective
Dialogue: 0,2:27:29.55,2:27:31.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in bringing down crime rates.
Dialogue: 0,2:27:32.30,2:27:34.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Many cities that neighbor\NBoston, including Somerville,
Dialogue: 0,2:27:34.72,2:27:36.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Brooklyn, Cambridge and Springfield,
Dialogue: 0,2:27:36.73,2:27:39.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have chosen to ban facial surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:27:39.06,2:27:41.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they understand\Nthat it is dangerous
Dialogue: 0,2:27:41.24,2:27:43.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and harmful to communities of color.
Dialogue: 0,2:27:43.03,2:27:44.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a violation of people's privacy
Dialogue: 0,2:27:44.41,2:27:48.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that money currently being\Nused to fund that technology
Dialogue: 0,2:27:48.24,2:27:50.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would be better spent in places
Dialogue: 0,2:27:50.06,2:27:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that actually improve lives in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:27:52.42,2:27:53.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For these reasons,
Dialogue: 0,2:27:53.91,2:27:55.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I asked the council to pass a prohibition
Dialogue: 0,2:27:55.07,2:27:57.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the use of facial\Nrecognition surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:27:57.60,2:27:59.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and give the community control
Dialogue: 0,2:27:59.13,2:28:00.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over surveillance technology and usage.
Dialogue: 0,2:28:00.91,2:28:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,2:28:02.34,2:28:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,2:28:04.24,2:28:06.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do see Sherlandy
Dialogue: 0,2:28:08.87,2:28:10.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm here.
Dialogue: 0,2:28:10.47,2:28:12.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, you have two minutes Sherlandy.
Dialogue: 0,2:28:19.54,2:28:22.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am writing on behalf of SIM\Nin support of the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,2:28:22.69,2:28:25.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,banning facial recognition\Ntechnology in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:28:25.49,2:28:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I urge my city of Boston\Nto pass this ordinance
Dialogue: 0,2:28:28.28,2:28:30.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to join other cities in Massachusetts,
Dialogue: 0,2:28:30.25,2:28:33.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like Springfield, Somerville,\NCambridge, Brooklyn
Dialogue: 0,2:28:33.27,2:28:36.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Northern and putting\Nthe community power
Dialogue: 0,2:28:36.37,2:28:37.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before the police.
Dialogue: 0,2:28:37.84,2:28:40.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The city of Boston,\Nthe residents, families
Dialogue: 0,2:28:40.37,2:28:42.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and youth from Boston,\Ndeserve transparency,
Dialogue: 0,2:28:42.51,2:28:44.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,respect and control.
Dialogue: 0,2:28:44.23,2:28:46.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A ban on facial surveillance technology
Dialogue: 0,2:28:46.42,2:28:48.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is important in the city of Boston
Dialogue: 0,2:28:48.22,2:28:50.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this technology is dangerous
Dialogue: 0,2:28:50.30,2:28:54.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it leads to serious\Nmistrust in the community.
Dialogue: 0,2:28:54.12,2:28:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Face surveillance is\Nproven to be less accurate
Dialogue: 0,2:28:57.70,2:29:01.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people of darker skin.
Dialogue: 0,2:29:01.04,2:29:04.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Black people already face extreme levels
Dialogue: 0,2:29:04.38,2:29:06.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of police violence and harassment.
Dialogue: 0,2:29:06.37,2:29:09.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The racial bias and face surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:29:09.08,2:29:11.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will put lives in danger.
Dialogue: 0,2:29:11.42,2:29:13.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But even if accurate,
Dialogue: 0,2:29:13.73,2:29:15.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should still be doing all that we can
Dialogue: 0,2:29:15.93,2:29:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to avoid a future where every\Ntime we go to the doctor,
Dialogue: 0,2:29:19.73,2:29:22.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a place of worship or protest,
Dialogue: 0,2:29:22.34,2:29:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the government is scanning our face
Dialogue: 0,2:29:23.92,2:29:26.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and recording our movements.
Dialogue: 0,2:29:26.06,2:29:27.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We already know that law enforcement
Dialogue: 0,2:29:27.78,2:29:30.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is constantly sharing\Nand misusing information.
Dialogue: 0,2:29:30.83,2:29:32.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What would happen to our people
Dialogue: 0,2:29:32.60,2:29:35.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when we are already under\Nconstant surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:29:35.25,2:29:37.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and criminalization.
Dialogue: 0,2:29:37.15,2:29:38.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Using face surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,2:29:38.54,2:29:40.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the government could begin to identify
Dialogue: 0,2:29:40.63,2:29:44.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and keep a list of every\Nperson at a protests.
Dialogue: 0,2:29:44.35,2:29:45.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People who are driving
Dialogue: 0,2:29:45.77,2:29:48.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or who are walking the\Nstreet every single day
Dialogue: 0,2:29:48.53,2:29:52.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,across the city on a\Nongoing automatic basis,
Dialogue: 0,2:29:52.52,2:29:54.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it would keep the same\Nharmful surveillance going,
Dialogue: 0,2:29:54.85,2:29:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like what happened with the\Nuse of [indistinct] database.
Dialogue: 0,2:29:57.94,2:30:01.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It would criminalize anyone\Nto make a move in our city.
Dialogue: 0,2:30:06.40,2:30:09.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If we want this city to be safe,
Dialogue: 0,2:30:09.55,2:30:12.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we need to put our\Nmoney where our mouth is
Dialogue: 0,2:30:12.34,2:30:16.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and invest in practice\Nsuch as restorative justice
Dialogue: 0,2:30:16.21,2:30:18.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to help restore or community.
Dialogue: 0,2:30:18.31,2:30:20.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facial surveillance is not the answer.
Dialogue: 0,2:30:20.48,2:30:23.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If anything, it is distracting
Dialogue: 0,2:30:23.58,2:30:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or addressing our real concern
Dialogue: 0,2:30:26.54,2:30:28.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about safety in our communities.
Dialogue: 0,2:30:28.61,2:30:31.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I urge you to prohibit the\Nuse of facial surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:30:31.98,2:30:34.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the city of Boston,
Dialogue: 0,2:30:34.49,2:30:38.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we cannot allow law\Nenforcement to target black
Dialogue: 0,2:30:38.13,2:30:42.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and brown immigrants, activists\Nand community members.
Dialogue: 0,2:30:42.27,2:30:43.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much for your time.
Dialogue: 0,2:30:43.82,2:30:44.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,2:30:44.98,2:30:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I want to say thank\Nyou to all of the youth
Dialogue: 0,2:30:47.10,2:30:51.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have testified and\Nwill testify at SIM,
Dialogue: 0,2:30:51.43,2:30:53.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all those folks showing up, you are...
Dialogue: 0,2:30:53.74,2:30:55.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just wanna say thank you so much
Dialogue: 0,2:30:55.15,2:30:57.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on behalf of the city\Ncouncil, you're our future
Dialogue: 0,2:30:57.86,2:30:59.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you're doing an amazing job.
Dialogue: 0,2:30:59.68,2:31:03.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a Natalie Diaz and then Jose Gomez.
Dialogue: 0,2:31:03.03,2:31:06.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see the Emily Reif\Nwho had signed up before
Dialogue: 0,2:31:06.67,2:31:08.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might also be available.
Dialogue: 0,2:31:08.67,2:31:10.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So those next three names,
Dialogue: 0,2:31:10.42,2:31:12.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think Natalie may no longer be with us.
Dialogue: 0,2:31:15.11,2:31:17.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, is Jose available?
Dialogue: 0,2:31:17.86,2:31:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes.\NCHAIR: Two minutes.
Dialogue: 0,2:31:21.30,2:31:22.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi everyone.
Dialogue: 0,2:31:22.21,2:31:26.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm here on behalf of\NSIM to testify in favor
Dialogue: 0,2:31:26.93,2:31:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the ban on facial\Nrecognition software in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:31:30.34,2:31:33.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am an MIT alumni,
Dialogue: 0,2:31:33.83,2:31:35.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,working as a software engineer in Boston
Dialogue: 0,2:31:35.76,2:31:38.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm a DACA recipient as well.
Dialogue: 0,2:31:38.66,2:31:41.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I wanted to tell you for your time
Dialogue: 0,2:31:41.49,2:31:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that as a software engineer working in AI
Dialogue: 0,2:31:43.44,2:31:44.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and machine learning, enabled robots,
Dialogue: 0,2:31:44.75,2:31:46.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the software use\Nfor facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,2:31:46.78,2:31:48.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is far from perfect.
Dialogue: 0,2:31:49.09,2:31:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In fact, as Joy found\Nin others have noted,
Dialogue: 0,2:31:51.72,2:31:53.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one in three black women is likely
Dialogue: 0,2:31:53.94,2:31:56.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be misclassified by technology.
Dialogue: 0,2:31:56.08,2:31:58.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And our own federal government has found
Dialogue: 0,2:31:58.17,2:32:00.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the face recognition algorithms
Dialogue: 0,2:32:00.05,2:32:01.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were more likely to fail
Dialogue: 0,2:32:01.11,2:32:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when attempting to identify\Nfaces of people of color,
Dialogue: 0,2:32:03.72,2:32:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,children, elderly and women.
Dialogue: 0,2:32:06.18,2:32:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This software after all\Nis written by people.
Dialogue: 0,2:32:10.09,2:32:12.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is inherently filled\Nwith mistakes and bias,
Dialogue: 0,2:32:12.74,2:32:16.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,despite the detailed\Nquality assurance processes
Dialogue: 0,2:32:16.63,2:32:18.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or production level software undergoes.
Dialogue: 0,2:32:18.97,2:32:21.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is an accepted fact\Nin software industry,
Dialogue: 0,2:32:21.83,2:32:23.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,no matter how good your software is
Dialogue: 0,2:32:23.54,2:32:25.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the testing process is,
Dialogue: 0,2:32:25.35,2:32:27.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bugs in the software will always exist.
Dialogue: 0,2:32:27.43,2:32:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Consequently, the use of\Nfacial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,2:32:30.78,2:32:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by government entities\Nespecially the police departments
Dialogue: 0,2:32:33.64,2:32:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,must be banned as a consequence of errors
Dialogue: 0,2:32:35.83,2:32:38.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the technology or if life and death.
Dialogue: 0,2:32:38.46,2:32:41.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The false identification by\Na facial recognition software
Dialogue: 0,2:32:41.51,2:32:43.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could lead to an unwarranted confrontation
Dialogue: 0,2:32:43.85,2:32:45.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the police department.
Dialogue: 0,2:32:45.81,2:32:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The seemingly small error in\Nfacial recognition software
Dialogue: 0,2:32:48.32,2:32:50.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may not mean much to you,
Dialogue: 0,2:32:50.14,2:32:54.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as an undocumented\Nimmigrant and a person of color,
Dialogue: 0,2:32:54.15,2:32:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,any confrontation with the police
Dialogue: 0,2:32:56.04,2:32:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could mean deportation or even my life.
Dialogue: 0,2:32:59.07,2:33:02.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The police have a record\Nof systemic racial bias
Dialogue: 0,2:33:02.13,2:33:04.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,leading into the deaths\Nof thousands of people.
Dialogue: 0,2:33:04.41,2:33:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Government entities, special police forces
Dialogue: 0,2:33:06.88,2:33:09.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,do not need any more tools\Nto further their racial bias
Dialogue: 0,2:33:09.80,2:33:12.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and consequently there's\Na stomach murdering
Dialogue: 0,2:33:12.61,2:33:13.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the very people\Nthey're meant to protect.
Dialogue: 0,2:33:13.98,2:33:15.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I encourage you to press pause
Dialogue: 0,2:33:15.46,2:33:17.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on these face surveillance\Nby government entities
Dialogue: 0,2:33:17.77,2:33:21.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the city of Boston, by\Nsupporting this crucial ban.
Dialogue: 0,2:33:24.13,2:33:28.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much, after\NJose I think we had...
Dialogue: 0,2:33:33.08,2:33:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After Jose we had Emily,\NEmily Reif has rejoined us.
Dialogue: 0,2:33:38.30,2:33:42.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She was part of the original\Nfirst set we called, Emily.
Dialogue: 0,2:33:45.27,2:33:46.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,EMILY: Hello, sorry.
Dialogue: 0,2:33:46.68,2:33:48.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you hear me?\NYep, two minutes.
Dialogue: 0,2:33:49.62,2:33:53.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry about that, I was\Nhaving internet issues.
Dialogue: 0,2:33:53.15,2:33:55.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So my name is Emily Reif
Dialogue: 0,2:33:55.00,2:33:57.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I work at a machine\Nlearning research at Google.
Dialogue: 0,2:33:57.39,2:33:58.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although of course my views are my own
Dialogue: 0,2:33:58.43,2:34:00.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm here as a citizen.
Dialogue: 0,2:34:00.49,2:34:02.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, I strongly support the ban
Dialogue: 0,2:34:02.06,2:34:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on facial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,2:34:03.86,2:34:05.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and many people have said similar things
Dialogue: 0,2:34:05.86,2:34:09.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to what I'm about to say\Nand much better words.
Dialogue: 0,2:34:09.40,2:34:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just wanted to reiterate on...
Dialogue: 0,2:34:13.08,2:34:14.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Even when working correctly,
Dialogue: 0,2:34:14.85,2:34:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are so many major privacy
Dialogue: 0,2:34:17.12,2:34:20.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with these technologies and by definition,
Dialogue: 0,2:34:20.22,2:34:22.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're designed to track\Nus wherever and whenever
Dialogue: 0,2:34:22.02,2:34:26.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're in public spaces and\Nto aggregate this information
Dialogue: 0,2:34:26.00,2:34:28.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and having those kinds\Nof extreme surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:34:28.07,2:34:30.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not only kind of horrifying\Nat a personal level,
Dialogue: 0,2:34:30.93,2:34:32.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it will also fundamentally change
Dialogue: 0,2:34:32.59,2:34:34.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the way that we go about our daily lives
Dialogue: 0,2:34:34.38,2:34:36.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and operate as a democratic society.
Dialogue: 0,2:34:36.62,2:34:40.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And others have already cited\Nsome of the research on this.
Dialogue: 0,2:34:40.00,2:34:42.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's a well-documented\Nphenomenon, not a good one.
Dialogue: 0,2:34:42.96,2:34:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so that's all about\Nfacial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,2:34:47.10,2:34:48.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it's working perfectly.
Dialogue: 0,2:34:48.08,2:34:50.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But again, as people have noted
Dialogue: 0,2:34:50.81,2:34:53.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's so far from the truth.
Dialogue: 0,2:34:53.16,2:34:55.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yeah, there's a ton of\Nresearch on this by the ACLU,
Dialogue: 0,2:34:55.53,2:34:58.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Joy who spoke earlier
Dialogue: 0,2:34:58.57,2:35:00.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I've seen this in my own research.
Dialogue: 0,2:35:00.72,2:35:03.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our team's research is\Nrelated to these areas.
Dialogue: 0,2:35:03.83,2:35:08.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That these models are just\Ntotally not reliable for data
Dialogue: 0,2:35:08.31,2:35:10.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is different than\Nwhat they're trained on.
Dialogue: 0,2:35:10.10,2:35:13.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that these inaccuracy\Ndon't make it any less,
Dialogue: 0,2:35:13.06,2:35:15.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, one might say\Nlike, oh, so it makes it,
Dialogue: 0,2:35:15.57,2:35:17.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,potentially less dangerous,\Nbut it makes it much,
Dialogue: 0,2:35:17.84,2:35:20.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much more dangerous when the inaccuracy
Dialogue: 0,2:35:20.77,2:35:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has just reinforced the biases,
Dialogue: 0,2:35:22.24,2:35:24.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that disparities that\Nhave always been there
Dialogue: 0,2:35:24.18,2:35:26.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the way that different\Ngroups are surveyed
Dialogue: 0,2:35:26.41,2:35:28.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and policed and incarcerated.
Dialogue: 0,2:35:28.79,2:35:32.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we saw with, with\NBriana Hiller's death
Dialogue: 0,2:35:32.91,2:35:35.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that thinking that you're attacking
Dialogue: 0,2:35:35.46,2:35:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or that you're entering the right house,
Dialogue: 0,2:35:36.80,2:35:38.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and if you are wrong about that,
Dialogue: 0,2:35:38.93,2:35:42.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's just horrible, an\Nunspeakable consequences
Dialogue: 0,2:35:42.77,2:35:47.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And yeah, we can't possibly risk that
Dialogue: 0,2:35:47.80,2:35:49.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's not a road we should remotely
Dialogue: 0,2:35:49.90,2:35:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think about going down, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:35:53.81,2:35:55.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's perfectly on time.
Dialogue: 0,2:35:55.83,2:35:58.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm just gonna go down the list
Dialogue: 0,2:35:58.92,2:36:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also call on Christian\NDe Leon, Clara Ruis,
Dialogue: 0,2:36:10.72,2:36:13.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Diana Serrano and Oliver De Leon.
Dialogue: 0,2:36:20.25,2:36:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are those folks are available.
Dialogue: 0,2:36:22.56,2:36:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see Christian.
Dialogue: 0,2:36:27.85,2:36:29.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christian you may start,\Nyou have two minutes.
Dialogue: 0,2:36:30.75,2:36:33.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[indistinct]
Dialogue: 0,2:36:33.94,2:36:36.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have to turn off one\Ncomputer and on your phone
Dialogue: 0,2:36:36.33,2:36:38.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or something, you're\Ngonna have to turn off
Dialogue: 0,2:36:38.95,2:36:39.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the devices.
Dialogue: 0,2:36:39.78,2:36:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CHRISTIAN: Can you hear me fine now?
Dialogue: 0,2:36:41.23,2:36:42.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Much better, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:36:45.45,2:36:47.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CHRISTIAN: My name is Christian De Leon,
Dialogue: 0,2:36:47.99,2:36:49.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm here today as a member
Dialogue: 0,2:36:49.75,2:36:50.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Student Immigrant Movement
Dialogue: 0,2:36:51.63,2:36:53.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in support of banning facial\Nrecognition in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:36:53.32,2:36:56.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Face surveillance is not only\Na huge invasion of privacy,
Dialogue: 0,2:36:56.28,2:36:58.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in the wrong hands can be used
Dialogue: 0,2:36:58.58,2:37:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to even further oppress minorities.
Dialogue: 0,2:37:00.68,2:37:03.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It can be used to track\Nimmigrants, protestors,
Dialogue: 0,2:37:03.35,2:37:07.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and inaccurate when tracking\Npeople of darker complexion.
Dialogue: 0,2:37:07.41,2:37:09.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As we know, this can be very problematic
Dialogue: 0,2:37:09.65,2:37:12.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,since these tools target these communities
Dialogue: 0,2:37:12.08,2:37:14.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through racial profiling already.
Dialogue: 0,2:37:14.19,2:37:17.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Having surveillance tools\Nlike facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,2:37:17.16,2:37:19.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will contribute to an even\Ngreater systemic oppression.
Dialogue: 0,2:37:19.73,2:37:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's also has no business\Nbeing in our schools.
Dialogue: 0,2:37:23.40,2:37:26.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To my knowledge, some\Nschools are already investing
Dialogue: 0,2:37:26.29,2:37:28.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in face recognition software
Dialogue: 0,2:37:28.21,2:37:31.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are investing millions\Nin this new technology,
Dialogue: 0,2:37:31.24,2:37:32.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and for what exactly?
Dialogue: 0,2:37:32.96,2:37:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To track their students every move?
Dialogue: 0,2:37:34.84,2:37:38.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I believe school should\Nspend that time and money
Dialogue: 0,2:37:38.62,2:37:41.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on bettering their school\Nand education systems,
Dialogue: 0,2:37:41.80,2:37:44.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rather than spending it\Non software and tools
Dialogue: 0,2:37:44.68,2:37:47.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that will no way improve\Nstudents' ability to be educated.
Dialogue: 0,2:37:47.97,2:37:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are already living in a time
Dialogue: 0,2:37:50.04,2:37:52.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where technology can do scary things
Dialogue: 0,2:37:52.84,2:37:54.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the last thing we need
Dialogue: 0,2:37:54.87,2:37:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are people watching our every\Nmove on a day-to-day basis.
Dialogue: 0,2:37:57.92,2:37:59.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,During this pandemic,
Dialogue: 0,2:37:59.21,2:38:00.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have grown accustomed to wearing masks
Dialogue: 0,2:38:00.95,2:38:02.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and covering our faces in public,
Dialogue: 0,2:38:02.75,2:38:05.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well, if we now have facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,2:38:05.38,2:38:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on every street corner,
Dialogue: 0,2:38:06.80,2:38:10.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then this temporary thing\Nthe world has adapted to
Dialogue: 0,2:38:10.04,2:38:11.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,may just become permanent.
Dialogue: 0,2:38:11.61,2:38:13.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only to protect our own privacy,
Dialogue: 0,2:38:13.73,2:38:16.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but to not be falsely accused of crimes
Dialogue: 0,2:38:16.51,2:38:18.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to falsely recognition software.
Dialogue: 0,2:38:18.80,2:38:22.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,2020 has had a great display\Nof racism and brutality
Dialogue: 0,2:38:22.76,2:38:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against people of color,
Dialogue: 0,2:38:23.94,2:38:25.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particularly the black community,
Dialogue: 0,2:38:25.59,2:38:28.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I fear that systems such\Nas facial recognition software
Dialogue: 0,2:38:28.53,2:38:30.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the hands of law enforcement,
Dialogue: 0,2:38:30.42,2:38:33.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can just be another tool\Nthey use against us.
Dialogue: 0,2:38:33.00,2:38:35.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for listening to my concerns.
Dialogue: 0,2:38:35.68,2:38:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,2:38:37.48,2:38:38.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Clara Ruiz.
Dialogue: 0,2:38:43.48,2:38:45.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CLARA: Hello.\NHello.
Dialogue: 0,2:38:45.05,2:38:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,You have two minutes Clara.
Dialogue: 0,2:38:49.33,2:38:50.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,CLARA] : Thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,2:38:50.40,2:38:53.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Clara Ruiz and\NI'm writing in support
Dialogue: 0,2:38:53.77,2:38:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the ordinance banning\Nfacial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,2:38:57.00,2:39:00.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Boston presented by\Ncouncilor Wu and Arroyo.
Dialogue: 0,2:39:00.21,2:39:02.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This ordinance establish\Na ban on government use
Dialogue: 0,2:39:02.92,2:39:05.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of face surveillance\Nin the city of Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:39:05.24,2:39:07.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boston must pass this\Nordinance to join Springfield,
Dialogue: 0,2:39:07.84,2:39:10.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Somerville, Cambridge,\NBrooklyn, North Hampton
Dialogue: 0,2:39:10.17,2:39:13.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in protecting racial justice\Nprivacy, and freedom of speech.
Dialogue: 0,2:39:13.33,2:39:17.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This mattered to me because\NI'm a member of the BIPOCC,
Dialogue: 0,2:39:19.52,2:39:22.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Black Indigenous and\NPeople of Color Community.
Dialogue: 0,2:39:22.39,2:39:23.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And this is allowing for the community
Dialogue: 0,2:39:23.38,2:39:25.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to increase in racial biases.
Dialogue: 0,2:39:25.58,2:39:28.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This technology does not\Nprotect constitutional rights
Dialogue: 0,2:39:28.20,2:39:32.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and values, including\Nprivacy in an immediate
Dialogue: 0,2:39:32.11,2:39:35.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[indistinct]
Dialogue: 0,2:39:35.33,2:39:37.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,appropriate speech and\Nassociation, equal protection
Dialogue: 0,2:39:37.97,2:39:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and government accountability\Nin transparency.
Dialogue: 0,2:39:40.74,2:39:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the government must be\Naware of the technical limits
Dialogue: 0,2:39:43.12,2:39:45.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of even the most\Npromising new technologies
Dialogue: 0,2:39:45.80,2:39:47.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the release of relying\Non computer system
Dialogue: 0,2:39:47.87,2:39:49.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can be prone to error.
Dialogue: 0,2:39:49.52,2:39:50.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facial recognition is creeping
Dialogue: 0,2:39:50.93,2:39:53.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into more and more law\Nenforcement agencies,
Dialogue: 0,2:39:53.09,2:39:55.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but later notice or oversight.
Dialogue: 0,2:39:55.03,2:39:57.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And there are practically\Nno laws regulating
Dialogue: 0,2:39:57.86,2:40:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this investive surveillance technology.
Dialogue: 0,2:40:00.40,2:40:02.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Meanwhile, ongoing technical limitations
Dialogue: 0,2:40:02.73,2:40:05.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the accuracy of facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,2:40:05.01,2:40:07.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,create serious problems\Nlike misidentification
Dialogue: 0,2:40:07.47,2:40:09.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and public safety risk.
Dialogue: 0,2:40:09.57,2:40:11.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I refuse to sit back and\Nput my community on the risk
Dialogue: 0,2:40:11.91,2:40:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than it already is.
Dialogue: 0,2:40:15.50,2:40:17.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,These surveillance technologies
Dialogue: 0,2:40:17.12,2:40:21.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are intentionally set up to\Nthe disadvantage of brown
Dialogue: 0,2:40:22.43,2:40:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and color people, communities.
Dialogue: 0,2:40:24.42,2:40:26.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It has a better success rate\Nwhen it comes to white males,
Dialogue: 0,2:40:26.78,2:40:29.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,meaning this technology is a unreliable
Dialogue: 0,2:40:29.15,2:40:30.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it will do more harm,
Dialogue: 0,2:40:30.75,2:40:33.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we don't ban the surveillance tool.
Dialogue: 0,2:40:33.02,2:40:36.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This technology will allow\Nfor misidentification
Dialogue: 0,2:40:36.82,2:40:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to purposely happen against\Nblack and brown people.
Dialogue: 0,2:40:40.21,2:40:42.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A ban on face surveillance technology
Dialogue: 0,2:40:42.84,2:40:44.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is critically important\Nin the city of Boston
Dialogue: 0,2:40:44.94,2:40:47.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we need to keep\Nthe community safe,
Dialogue: 0,2:40:47.17,2:40:48.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because all life matters.
Dialogue: 0,2:40:48.92,2:40:51.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A federal government government's study
Dialogue: 0,2:40:51.15,2:40:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,published in December 2019,
Dialogue: 0,2:40:53.48,2:40:55.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conduct face recognition algorithms
Dialogue: 0,2:40:55.33,2:40:56.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were most likely to fail
Dialogue: 0,2:40:56.73,2:41:00.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when attempting to identify\Nthe faces of people of color,
Dialogue: 0,2:41:00.36,2:41:03.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,children, elderly and woman.
Dialogue: 0,2:41:03.27,2:41:07.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That means the test only reliably works
Dialogue: 0,2:41:07.29,2:41:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on middle aged white men.
Dialogue: 0,2:41:08.82,2:41:11.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If really a small fraction\Nof Boston residents,
Dialogue: 0,2:41:11.45,2:41:14.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I encourage you to pass to press pause
Dialogue: 0,2:41:14.59,2:41:17.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on the use of face surveillance\Nby government entities
Dialogue: 0,2:41:20.25,2:41:21.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the city of Boston,
Dialogue: 0,2:41:21.42,2:41:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by supporting and\Npassing this crucial ban.
Dialogue: 0,2:41:23.92,2:41:26.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We cannot allow Boston\Nto adopt authoritarian,
Dialogue: 0,2:41:26.52,2:41:30.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unregulated, bias surveillance technology.
Dialogue: 0,2:41:30.10,2:41:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for the opportunity to testify.
Dialogue: 0,2:41:32.32,2:41:34.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the way, Diana Serrano,
Dialogue: 0,2:41:34.25,2:41:36.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is also gonna be testifying through this.
Dialogue: 0,2:41:38.72,2:41:40.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Diana you have two minutes.
Dialogue: 0,2:41:40.83,2:41:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,DIANA: Okay, hello, my\Nname is Diana Serrano,
Dialogue: 0,2:41:43.31,2:41:44.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good evening.
Dialogue: 0,2:41:44.92,2:41:47.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm writing on behalf of SIM\Nin support of the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,2:41:47.68,2:41:50.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,banning facial recognition\Ntechnology in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:41:50.49,2:41:53.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I urge my city of Boston\Nto pass this ordinance
Dialogue: 0,2:41:53.40,2:41:55.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to join Springfield,\NSomerville, Cambridge, Brooklyn
Dialogue: 0,2:41:55.78,2:41:58.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and North Hampton in\Nprotecting racial justice,
Dialogue: 0,2:41:58.40,2:42:01.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,privacy and freedom of speech.
Dialogue: 0,2:42:01.22,2:42:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is our duty as a free and just city,
Dialogue: 0,2:42:02.88,2:42:06.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to ban technology like facial recognition.
Dialogue: 0,2:42:06.26,2:42:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a victim of social media hacking,
Dialogue: 0,2:42:08.40,2:42:11.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've seen how technology could\Nbe used as a tool to defame
Dialogue: 0,2:42:11.70,2:42:14.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and criminalize with pictures
Dialogue: 0,2:42:14.18,2:42:17.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that feel like proof to the viewers.
Dialogue: 0,2:42:17.38,2:42:19.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a teacher and civilian,
Dialogue: 0,2:42:19.18,2:42:22.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I refuse to allow those in my community
Dialogue: 0,2:42:22.17,2:42:24.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to be exposed to a highly problematic
Dialogue: 0,2:42:24.66,2:42:27.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and technology like facial recognition.
Dialogue: 0,2:42:27.54,2:42:29.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not only is privacy important
Dialogue: 0,2:42:29.85,2:42:32.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and should be valued\Nby our law enforcement,
Dialogue: 0,2:42:32.47,2:42:35.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,face surveillance is\Nproven to be less accurate
Dialogue: 0,2:42:35.40,2:42:37.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for people with darker skin.
Dialogue: 0,2:42:37.47,2:42:39.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With the high levels of\Nracial discrimination
Dialogue: 0,2:42:39.71,2:42:41.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forced on our black and brown communities
Dialogue: 0,2:42:41.74,2:42:43.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by law enforcement.
Dialogue: 0,2:42:43.27,2:42:45.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The racial bias in face surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:42:45.26,2:42:48.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will put lives in danger even\Nfurther than they already are.
Dialogue: 0,2:42:48.96,2:42:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A ban on face surveillance technology
Dialogue: 0,2:42:50.85,2:42:53.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is critically important\Nin the city of Boston
Dialogue: 0,2:42:53.14,2:42:55.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that technology\Nreally is only reliable
Dialogue: 0,2:42:55.52,2:42:58.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for a very small fraction\Nof the population.
Dialogue: 0,2:42:58.62,2:43:01.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's highly important\Nto me to live in a city
Dialogue: 0,2:43:01.66,2:43:04.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where it is critical for\Nleaders to keep our city
Dialogue: 0,2:43:04.38,2:43:05.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and its people safe.
Dialogue: 0,2:43:05.91,2:43:08.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although it may seem as\Nthough facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,2:43:08.92,2:43:12.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,could maybe keep us safer, it\Nhas proven do the opposite.
Dialogue: 0,2:43:12.12,2:43:16.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I urge you to press pause on\Nthe use of facial surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:43:16.10,2:43:18.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by government entities\Nand the city of Boston
Dialogue: 0,2:43:18.75,2:43:21.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by supporting and passing the crucial ban.
Dialogue: 0,2:43:21.21,2:43:23.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We cannot allow Boston to adopt
Dialogue: 0,2:43:23.18,2:43:26.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,authoritarian, unregulated,\Nbias surveillance technology.
Dialogue: 0,2:43:26.83,2:43:29.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for your\Nattention, Diana Serrano.
Dialogue: 0,2:43:29.68,2:43:31.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,2:43:31.66,2:43:36.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Oliver De Leon, you have two minute.
Dialogue: 0,2:43:37.76,2:43:40.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,OLIVER: Hi, my name is Oliver
Dialogue: 0,2:43:40.30,2:43:42.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I live in Jamaica Plain.
Dialogue: 0,2:43:42.82,2:43:45.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I was undocumented when I attended
Dialogue: 0,2:43:45.67,2:43:48.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Boston public schools\Nin early nineties.
Dialogue: 0,2:43:48.36,2:43:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So yes, it's a while back, so\NI became a citizen in 2016.
Dialogue: 0,2:43:54.36,2:43:57.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I look back on my days in high school
Dialogue: 0,2:43:57.11,2:43:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while contemplating this new technology,
Dialogue: 0,2:43:59.38,2:44:04.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,facial recognition and I\Ncan sincerely tell you that
Dialogue: 0,2:44:04.86,2:44:08.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it terrified me the\Nthought of having somebody
Dialogue: 0,2:44:08.39,2:44:11.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,access this technology without\Nmy consent acknowledge.
Dialogue: 0,2:44:11.13,2:44:14.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't know if this would have allowed me
Dialogue: 0,2:44:14.04,2:44:16.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to finish school at that time.
Dialogue: 0,2:44:16.95,2:44:19.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And it would have been hard
Dialogue: 0,2:44:19.02,2:44:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to even finish possibly higher education.
Dialogue: 0,2:44:22.44,2:44:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Without that education,
Dialogue: 0,2:44:24.00,2:44:27.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wouldn't have been able\Nto secure job opportunities
Dialogue: 0,2:44:27.84,2:44:30.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like I have now with a paying job
Dialogue: 0,2:44:30.54,2:44:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that helps me provide for my family.
Dialogue: 0,2:44:32.80,2:44:35.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we started thinking about that.
Dialogue: 0,2:44:35.41,2:44:38.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We start see seeing how\Nthis facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,2:44:38.32,2:44:41.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can actually have a negative impact
Dialogue: 0,2:44:41.47,2:44:44.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the education of our\Nyouth and our future.
Dialogue: 0,2:44:44.48,2:44:47.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People already talk, how are the U.S.
Dialogue: 0,2:44:47.56,2:44:49.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is already riddled with racial bias,
Dialogue: 0,2:44:49.61,2:44:54.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this software is just\Ngiving people already empowered
Dialogue: 0,2:44:54.03,2:44:56.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a tool to discriminate even more.
Dialogue: 0,2:44:56.31,2:45:00.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For example, I.C.E has already\Nshown up in the protests
Dialogue: 0,2:45:00.09,2:45:02.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and detained a few people.
Dialogue: 0,2:45:02.30,2:45:04.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Now we have to ask ourselves
Dialogue: 0,2:45:04.13,2:45:08.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how the heck do they\Npick out these few people
Dialogue: 0,2:45:08.22,2:45:11.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the thousands of protesters?
Dialogue: 0,2:45:11.31,2:45:13.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I mean, one can only speculate,
Dialogue: 0,2:45:13.30,2:45:14.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but one of the few answers
Dialogue: 0,2:45:14.70,2:45:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can be facial recognition software.
Dialogue: 0,2:45:17.10,2:45:18.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do we not have it?
Dialogue: 0,2:45:18.06,2:45:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Do they have it?
Dialogue: 0,2:45:19.20,2:45:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,How can we show that they're not using it?
Dialogue: 0,2:45:21.30,2:45:24.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, it's pretty hard to pick\Nout two or three individuals
Dialogue: 0,2:45:24.58,2:45:27.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out of a thousands and thousands
Dialogue: 0,2:45:27.20,2:45:29.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thousands of protestors.
Dialogue: 0,2:45:29.02,2:45:31.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's up to us to kind\Nof speculate what that is.
Dialogue: 0,2:45:31.82,2:45:35.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The Coronavirus has caused major epidemic.
Dialogue: 0,2:45:35.25,2:45:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The police brutality has\Ncaused major epidemic.
Dialogue: 0,2:45:38.50,2:45:40.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I guess we have to ask ourselves,
Dialogue: 0,2:45:40.55,2:45:44.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are you allowing the\Nnext epidemic to happen?
Dialogue: 0,2:45:44.01,2:45:44.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maybe.
Dialogue: 0,2:45:45.68,2:45:47.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Banning facial recognition\Nin the city of Boston
Dialogue: 0,2:45:47.81,2:45:52.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will bring us to be in the\Nmiddle of the next battle.
Dialogue: 0,2:45:52.06,2:45:56.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And which side do we wanna be on?
Dialogue: 0,2:45:56.26,2:45:58.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's not approve this software.
Dialogue: 0,2:45:58.63,2:46:01.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I urge you to to ban facial\Nrecognition technology
Dialogue: 0,2:46:01.03,2:46:03.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as it also affects our youth.
Dialogue: 0,2:46:03.27,2:46:07.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We do not need a system or software
Dialogue: 0,2:46:07.73,2:46:09.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that can pick up individuals
Dialogue: 0,2:46:09.44,2:46:11.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and potentially erroneously
Dialogue: 0,2:46:11.34,2:46:14.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,accuse them of something\Nthat they haven't done.
Dialogue: 0,2:46:14.89,2:46:18.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Will the next death is\Ncaused by your choice today.
Dialogue: 0,2:46:18.00,2:46:19.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's hope not, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:46:19.79,2:46:22.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,2:46:22.10,2:46:23.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's 10 to six.
Dialogue: 0,2:46:23.97,2:46:28.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to have to stop\Nsharing at six o'clock.
Dialogue: 0,2:46:28.43,2:46:32.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That only means that I will\Nbe turning over the gavel
Dialogue: 0,2:46:32.61,2:46:35.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the one of the lead sponsors,
Dialogue: 0,2:46:35.38,2:46:36.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Michelle Wu at six o'clock.
Dialogue: 0,2:46:37.52,2:46:39.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But I'm gonna call the\Nnext names of individuals
Dialogue: 0,2:46:39.26,2:46:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are in line and have\Nsigned up to speak before I go.
Dialogue: 0,2:46:43.12,2:46:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we'll continue chair.
Dialogue: 0,2:46:44.54,2:46:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've got an Angel, Michelle\NRaj Mon, Leon Smith,
Dialogue: 0,2:46:51.16,2:46:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Amy van der Hiel, excuse me,\NJulie McNulty and Zachary Lawn.
Dialogue: 0,2:47:00.06,2:47:01.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So is the Angel available?
Dialogue: 0,2:47:02.73,2:47:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ANGEL: Yes.
Dialogue: 0,2:47:05.33,2:47:08.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello everyone, thank\Nyou for being here today.
Dialogue: 0,2:47:09.54,2:47:10.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:47:14.22,2:47:19.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ANGEL: My name is Angel\Nand I am in fresh grade
Dialogue: 0,2:47:19.41,2:47:24.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and go to a Boston public school.
Dialogue: 0,2:47:26.70,2:47:28.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am seven years old.
Dialogue: 0,2:47:28.53,2:47:32.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,To me surveillance means\Npeople watching you
Dialogue: 0,2:47:32.36,2:47:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,without even knowing.
Dialogue: 0,2:47:34.50,2:47:36.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would feel frustrated
Dialogue: 0,2:47:36.31,2:47:41.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because I do not want anyone watching me,
Dialogue: 0,2:47:42.76,2:47:47.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,especially if I'm home\Nat school or at a park.
Dialogue: 0,2:47:48.78,2:47:53.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facial recognition is\Nwhen they see your face
Dialogue: 0,2:47:54.20,2:47:58.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and know all the details,
Dialogue: 0,2:47:58.81,2:48:01.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this does not work for everyone
Dialogue: 0,2:48:01.87,2:48:06.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because most police do not like people
Dialogue: 0,2:48:06.18,2:48:09.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who are not their skin color.
Dialogue: 0,2:48:09.74,2:48:13.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This tool is not going to be equal
Dialogue: 0,2:48:13.25,2:48:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to people who are black,\NLatino, immigrants and more,
Dialogue: 0,2:48:20.49,2:48:23.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it can get the wrong person.
Dialogue: 0,2:48:27.35,2:48:32.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am young, as I get older,\NI will not look the same.
Dialogue: 0,2:48:33.32,2:48:38.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am seven now and when I turned\N13, I will look different.
Dialogue: 0,2:48:38.65,2:48:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I turn 18, I will look different.
Dialogue: 0,2:48:42.25,2:48:45.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I get older and my face changes.
Dialogue: 0,2:48:45.67,2:48:50.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If these tools are used new\Nschool, I will not feel safe.
Dialogue: 0,2:48:50.05,2:48:52.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are just children.
Dialogue: 0,2:48:52.97,2:48:57.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our teachers are already\Ntaking care and watching us.
Dialogue: 0,2:48:57.30,2:49:00.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We do not need police watching us.
Dialogue: 0,2:49:00.08,2:49:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you SIM, for your love and support.
Dialogue: 0,2:49:07.41,2:49:08.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Well, I have to say,
Dialogue: 0,2:49:08.25,2:49:12.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think you're the youngest\Nperson that's testified ever.
Dialogue: 0,2:49:12.42,2:49:15.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in anything I've ever shared,
Dialogue: 0,2:49:15.58,2:49:17.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or I had that participation,
Dialogue: 0,2:49:17.05,2:49:18.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know we're all on Zoom,
Dialogue: 0,2:49:18.29,2:49:21.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I will give you a round of applause.
Dialogue: 0,2:49:21.12,2:49:22.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,2:49:22.55,2:49:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That was absolutely beautiful,\Nvery powerful testimony.
Dialogue: 0,2:49:25.80,2:49:28.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're so proud of you.
Dialogue: 0,2:49:28.43,2:49:31.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Your city council and\Ncity are so proud of you.
Dialogue: 0,2:49:31.01,2:49:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much for\Nyour testimony Angel.
Dialogue: 0,2:49:34.27,2:49:38.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm going to now call on,
Dialogue: 0,2:49:38.53,2:49:41.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I don't think I see Michelle or Leon
Dialogue: 0,2:49:41.22,2:49:43.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and don't share them either.
Dialogue: 0,2:49:45.02,2:49:49.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, so I see Amy, who\Nwas we called earlier?
Dialogue: 0,2:49:49.02,2:49:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Amy, you have two minutes
Dialogue: 0,2:49:52.27,2:49:54.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and you get to follow the\Ncutest seven-year-old ever.
Dialogue: 0,2:49:54.51,2:49:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[Lydia laughs]
Dialogue: 0,2:49:56.70,2:49:57.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Go ahead,
Dialogue: 0,2:49:58.93,2:49:59.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you're on mute.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:02.12,2:50:05.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, I applaud\Nher testimony entirely.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:05.13,2:50:07.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you madam chairwoman and the council
Dialogue: 0,2:50:07.47,2:50:10.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for hearing our testimony,\NI'll be very brief.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:10.01,2:50:13.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just wanted to say my\Nname is Amy van der Hiel.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:13.67,2:50:15.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I live in Roslindale
Dialogue: 0,2:50:15.14,2:50:18.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I support the ban on\Nface surveillance, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:19.10,2:50:21.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much, Michelle.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:21.04,2:50:25.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a Michelle Raj Mon and\NI see that Michelle Barrios.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:25.37,2:50:26.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Are you...
Dialogue: 0,2:50:26.20,2:50:28.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, that was the mistake.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:28.17,2:50:30.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Very well then, Michelle\Nyou have two minutes.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:30.85,2:50:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,That's okay.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:33.23,2:50:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I also am not following\NAngel as a bit much.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:38.04,2:50:39.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So hello.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:39.98,2:50:41.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Michelle Barrios
Dialogue: 0,2:50:41.61,2:50:44.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am a social studies\Nteacher in the Boston area.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:44.55,2:50:46.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And today I am here speaking on behalf
Dialogue: 0,2:50:46.63,2:50:48.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Student Immigrant Movement,
Dialogue: 0,2:50:48.47,2:50:50.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,myself as an educator
Dialogue: 0,2:50:50.58,2:50:54.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and on the behalf of my\Ndiverse student population.
Dialogue: 0,2:50:54.05,2:50:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am speaking in support of the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,2:50:56.58,2:50:59.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,banning facial recognition\Ntechnology in Boston,
Dialogue: 0,2:50:59.44,2:51:02.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,presented by councilors Wu and Arroyo.
Dialogue: 0,2:51:02.17,2:51:04.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This ordinance established\Na ban on government use
Dialogue: 0,2:51:04.82,2:51:07.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of facial surveillance\Nin the city of Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:51:07.72,2:51:10.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Boston must pass this\Nordinance to join Springfield,
Dialogue: 0,2:51:10.49,2:51:14.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Somerville, excuse me,\NSpringfield, Somerville,
Dialogue: 0,2:51:14.05,2:51:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Cambridge, Brooklyn and North Hampton
Dialogue: 0,2:51:16.68,2:51:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in protecting racial justice,\Nprivacy and freedom of speech.
Dialogue: 0,2:51:19.93,2:51:23.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In my training as a\Nsocial studies teacher,
Dialogue: 0,2:51:23.56,2:51:25.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I became increasingly aware of the trauma
Dialogue: 0,2:51:25.51,2:51:27.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that students of color develop
Dialogue: 0,2:51:27.99,2:51:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as they grow in a society
Dialogue: 0,2:51:30.04,2:51:32.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that seeks to police them on\Nthe basis of their ethnicity,
Dialogue: 0,2:51:32.68,2:51:35.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,economic status and place of residence.
Dialogue: 0,2:51:35.18,2:51:38.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This trauma is exacerbated\Nwhen a young person
Dialogue: 0,2:51:38.45,2:51:40.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comes from an immigrant family,
Dialogue: 0,2:51:40.01,2:51:41.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the status in this country,
Dialogue: 0,2:51:41.38,2:51:44.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,places them at risk of family separation,
Dialogue: 0,2:51:44.15,2:51:47.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a loss of education and a\Nstripping of basic human rights.
Dialogue: 0,2:51:47.84,2:51:51.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know that students struggle\Nto succeed academically
Dialogue: 0,2:51:51.13,2:51:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they face these\Ndaily existential traumas,
Dialogue: 0,2:51:54.44,2:51:57.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which in essence is a\Nviolation of their rights
Dialogue: 0,2:51:57.66,2:51:59.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the U.S. to pursue survival,
Dialogue: 0,2:51:59.73,2:52:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let alone social mobility\Nand a future of stability.
Dialogue: 0,2:52:03.06,2:52:05.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In addition to my training\Nand work as an educator,
Dialogue: 0,2:52:05.75,2:52:08.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am the wife of a Latino immigrants
Dialogue: 0,2:52:08.27,2:52:11.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the mother of two\Nof my sisters children,
Dialogue: 0,2:52:11.66,2:52:13.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,while I am a white Latina
Dialogue: 0,2:52:13.10,2:52:15.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I can live under the\Npresumption of innocence
Dialogue: 0,2:52:15.17,2:52:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,due to my white privilege,
Dialogue: 0,2:52:16.35,2:52:19.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've witnessed firsthand what\Nit means to live in a society
Dialogue: 0,2:52:19.09,2:52:22.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has not yet made good\Non its promise of equality,
Dialogue: 0,2:52:22.44,2:52:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,liberty, and justice for all.
Dialogue: 0,2:52:24.38,2:52:26.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My husband is followed in stores,
Dialogue: 0,2:52:26.36,2:52:28.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,teachers hesitate to\Nrelease our children to him
Dialogue: 0,2:52:28.81,2:52:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when they first meet him
Dialogue: 0,2:52:30.08,2:52:32.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he has been asked for\Nhis immigration status
Dialogue: 0,2:52:32.17,2:52:35.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by customers in his place of work.
Dialogue: 0,2:52:35.50,2:52:39.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are in the fortunate\Nposition to know that his life
Dialogue: 0,2:52:39.34,2:52:41.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our family can count\Non his permanent residency
Dialogue: 0,2:52:41.70,2:52:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to keep us together for now.
Dialogue: 0,2:52:43.80,2:52:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, I cannot say the\Nsame for many Latin X families
Dialogue: 0,2:52:47.10,2:52:48.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the greater Boston area,
Dialogue: 0,2:52:48.75,2:52:50.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a ban on face surveillance technology
Dialogue: 0,2:52:50.83,2:52:53.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is critically important\Nin the city of Boston
Dialogue: 0,2:52:53.27,2:52:56.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because this surveillance\Nharms our privacy
Dialogue: 0,2:52:56.46,2:52:58.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our freedom of speech,
Dialogue: 0,2:52:58.00,2:53:01.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a fundamental right in our constitution.
Dialogue: 0,2:53:01.12,2:53:03.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This type of surveillance\Nthreatens to create a world
Dialogue: 0,2:53:03.65,2:53:05.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where people are watched and identified
Dialogue: 0,2:53:05.68,2:53:07.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as they exercise their right to protest,
Dialogue: 0,2:53:07.82,2:53:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,congregate at places of worship
Dialogue: 0,2:53:10.00,2:53:12.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and visit medical providers,
Dialogue: 0,2:53:12.73,2:53:14.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as they go about their daily lives.
Dialogue: 0,2:53:14.65,2:53:15.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,For my students of color,
Dialogue: 0,2:53:15.81,2:53:18.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specifically the young\Nmen growing up in a world
Dialogue: 0,2:53:18.22,2:53:21.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that still cannot fully accept\Nthat their lives matter,
Dialogue: 0,2:53:26.27,2:53:28.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,face surveillance technology is not only
Dialogue: 0,2:53:28.87,2:53:30.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,another threat to their lives,
Dialogue: 0,2:53:30.47,2:53:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but a response saying\Nto these young people,
Dialogue: 0,2:53:32.53,2:53:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you still don't matter.
Dialogue: 0,2:53:34.59,2:53:37.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I teach world history as well\Nas comparative government
Dialogue: 0,2:53:37.06,2:53:40.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and politics, and when I\Nteach about authoritarianism,
Dialogue: 0,2:53:40.38,2:53:43.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I teach about the impact\Non marginalized groups
Dialogue: 0,2:53:43.41,2:53:46.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in countries that are still\Nconsidered developing.
Dialogue: 0,2:53:46.16,2:53:50.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I teach that in these free countries
Dialogue: 0,2:53:50.33,2:53:52.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or in these recently free countries,
Dialogue: 0,2:53:52.50,2:53:56.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,surveillance is one of\Nthe most common tools
Dialogue: 0,2:53:56.10,2:53:58.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to manage descent.
Dialogue: 0,2:53:58.18,2:54:01.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is often followed\Nby state sanctioned violence
Dialogue: 0,2:54:01.69,2:54:05.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as means to silence any dissidents.
Dialogue: 0,2:54:05.01,2:54:07.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I urge each of you to\Nconsider the statement
Dialogue: 0,2:54:07.58,2:54:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the statement that you\Nwould make by not banning
Dialogue: 0,2:54:10.50,2:54:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the use of facial surveillance\Ntechnology in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,2:54:16.38,2:54:20.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I urge each of you to imagine\Na 14 year old student of color
Dialogue: 0,2:54:20.21,2:54:22.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or a Latino essential\Nworker in front of you,
Dialogue: 0,2:54:22.97,2:54:25.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,asking if their lives matter.
Dialogue: 0,2:54:25.21,2:54:26.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,What is your response?
Dialogue: 0,2:54:26.97,2:54:29.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I encourage you to consider that moment
Dialogue: 0,2:54:29.26,2:54:32.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to press pause on the\Nuse of face surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:54:32.24,2:54:34.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by government entities\Nin the city of Boston,
Dialogue: 0,2:54:34.36,2:54:36.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by supporting and\Npassing this crucial ban.
Dialogue: 0,2:54:36.78,2:54:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We cannot allow Boston\Nto adopt authoritarian,
Dialogue: 0,2:54:40.24,2:54:43.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unregulated, bias surveillance technology.
Dialogue: 0,2:54:43.31,2:54:46.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for your attention\Nand your consideration.
Dialogue: 0,2:54:46.30,2:54:47.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,2:54:47.41,2:54:51.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At this point, I'm going\Nto turn over the microphone
Dialogue: 0,2:54:51.55,2:54:56.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or the gavel if you will, to\Nmy colleague, Michelle Wu.
Dialogue: 0,2:54:56.06,2:54:59.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll just say up next two\Nspeakers should be getting ready.
Dialogue: 0,2:54:59.57,2:55:04.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Is Julie McNulty, Zachary\NLawn, Christina Rivera,
Dialogue: 0,2:55:06.70,2:55:08.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Joseph Fridman.
Dialogue: 0,2:55:09.64,2:55:10.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanna thank you so\Nmuch to the lead sponsors
Dialogue: 0,2:55:12.45,2:55:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of this ordinance.
Dialogue: 0,2:55:13.50,2:55:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will be planning to\Nhave a working session
Dialogue: 0,2:55:14.51,2:55:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as soon as possible.
Dialogue: 0,2:55:16.35,2:55:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do understand the\Nurgency and I do believe
Dialogue: 0,2:55:18.90,2:55:23.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there is a great\Nopportunity before us to lead
Dialogue: 0,2:55:23.34,2:55:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a way that not only values the lives
Dialogue: 0,2:55:29.26,2:55:33.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of our black and brown, but in\Ngeneral, our civil liberties.
Dialogue: 0,2:55:33.61,2:55:34.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I want to thank again,
Dialogue: 0,2:55:34.85,2:55:36.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lead sponsors for their leadership.
Dialogue: 0,2:55:36.67,2:55:38.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I look forward to getting this done
Dialogue: 0,2:55:38.80,2:55:41.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and with that I'm going\Nto have to sign off
Dialogue: 0,2:55:41.35,2:55:43.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I turn over to Michelle Wu.
Dialogue: 0,2:55:44.39,2:55:45.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:55:45.94,2:55:47.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much, madam chair.
Dialogue: 0,2:55:47.20,2:55:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We're very grateful for you.
Dialogue: 0,2:55:51.20,2:55:53.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, next step was Julie.
Dialogue: 0,2:55:55.16,2:55:59.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And if not, Julie, then Zachary.
Dialogue: 0,2:56:06.45,2:56:11.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And just to know, could\Ncouncil central staff
Dialogue: 0,2:56:11.21,2:56:12.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,give me administrative rights,
Dialogue: 0,2:56:12.39,2:56:14.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so I can help search whether folks
Dialogue: 0,2:56:14.96,2:56:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are stuck in the waiting room
Dialogue: 0,2:56:17.06,2:56:20.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and trans people over into the\Npanelists section, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:56:23.16,2:56:27.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So again, it was Julie,\NZachary, Christina Rivera,
Dialogue: 0,2:56:27.26,2:56:31.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Joseph Fridman, Danielle\NSamter, for the next few.
Dialogue: 0,2:56:43.63,2:56:44.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christina, why don't you go ahead.
Dialogue: 0,2:56:44.78,2:56:46.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see you now in the, in the main room.
Dialogue: 0,2:56:48.28,2:56:49.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, yes.
Dialogue: 0,2:56:49.28,2:56:50.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for having me as stated.
Dialogue: 0,2:56:50.32,2:56:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Christina Rivera
Dialogue: 0,2:56:51.92,2:56:54.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am an east Boston resident.
Dialogue: 0,2:56:54.29,2:56:57.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm also the founder of\Nthe Latin X Coalition
Dialogue: 0,2:56:57.24,2:56:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Black Lives Matter.
Dialogue: 0,2:56:58.90,2:57:01.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It is a support organization
Dialogue: 0,2:57:01.79,2:57:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to help end racism within our community,
Dialogue: 0,2:57:04.56,2:57:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also help advance the work
Dialogue: 0,2:57:06.90,2:57:09.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Black Lives Matter Movement.
Dialogue: 0,2:57:09.87,2:57:11.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I wanna say that we as an organization,
Dialogue: 0,2:57:11.48,2:57:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we fully support the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,2:57:13.08,2:57:16.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of a ban on facial recognition technology.
Dialogue: 0,2:57:16.68,2:57:18.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As stated all throughout\Nthis meeting earlier,
Dialogue: 0,2:57:19.93,2:57:21.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we know that the automation bias exists
Dialogue: 0,2:57:21.11,2:57:23.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that facial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,2:57:23.77,2:57:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clearly shows bias towards\Nalready highly targeted
Dialogue: 0,2:57:26.76,2:57:28.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and hyper policed communities,
Dialogue: 0,2:57:28.61,2:57:30.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specifically those of color.
Dialogue: 0,2:57:30.63,2:57:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just wanna pose the question,
Dialogue: 0,2:57:33.18,2:57:35.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how can we begin to trust
Dialogue: 0,2:57:35.12,2:57:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even with the development\Nof algorithm accuracy,
Dialogue: 0,2:57:37.60,2:57:41.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that those who will use it in the future
Dialogue: 0,2:57:41.40,2:57:43.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,will not abuse its capabilities.
Dialogue: 0,2:57:43.30,2:57:45.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We already have a police force
Dialogue: 0,2:57:45.32,2:57:47.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that has shown time and time again,
Dialogue: 0,2:57:47.11,2:57:49.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that some of their own\Nprocedures are still abused
Dialogue: 0,2:57:49.96,2:57:53.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to this date and used by bad actors.
Dialogue: 0,2:57:53.37,2:57:55.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So adding a tool that can be used
Dialogue: 0,2:57:55.37,2:57:57.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to further affirm racial bias
Dialogue: 0,2:57:57.00,2:57:59.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only provides another route\Nto target our communities.
Dialogue: 0,2:57:59.91,2:58:03.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Using this technology also\Nenforces a policing system
Dialogue: 0,2:58:03.87,2:58:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is based on control,
Dialogue: 0,2:58:05.83,2:58:09.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that is a direct\Nsymptom of police mistrust
Dialogue: 0,2:58:09.39,2:58:11.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that already exists of their own citizens
Dialogue: 0,2:58:11.42,2:58:13.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the ones that they serve.
Dialogue: 0,2:58:13.70,2:58:16.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so, as some people earlier stated,
Dialogue: 0,2:58:16.34,2:58:19.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specifically Mr. Daley point about
Dialogue: 0,2:58:19.46,2:58:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what government agencies are\Nallowed to already use this
Dialogue: 0,2:58:24.28,2:58:28.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,versus people who have in inactive bands,
Dialogue: 0,2:58:28.52,2:58:31.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what is also going to\Nbe the legislative power
Dialogue: 0,2:58:31.57,2:58:34.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that any federal agency\Nwill be able to use it
Dialogue: 0,2:58:34.00,2:58:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in individual states,
Dialogue: 0,2:58:35.60,2:58:39.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,specifically when it comes\Nto I.C.E and immigration.
Dialogue: 0,2:58:39.07,2:58:41.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is something that\Nwe are looking to make sure
Dialogue: 0,2:58:41.06,2:58:43.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that it's not only is banned now,
Dialogue: 0,2:58:43.45,2:58:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also cannot be allowed in the future.
Dialogue: 0,2:58:45.60,2:58:46.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,With that said,
Dialogue: 0,2:58:46.70,2:58:48.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you so much to all the panelists
Dialogue: 0,2:58:48.16,2:58:50.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who've shared all this great information.
Dialogue: 0,2:58:50.26,2:58:52.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much to councilor\NWu and councilor Arroyo
Dialogue: 0,2:58:52.91,2:58:56.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for doing this work and I concede my time.
Dialogue: 0,2:58:56.26,2:58:57.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,2:58:58.76,2:59:00.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much, Christina.
Dialogue: 0,2:59:00.00,2:59:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We appreciate you, Joseph.
Dialogue: 0,2:59:06.03,2:59:07.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, thank you for your time.
Dialogue: 0,2:59:07.43,2:59:08.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'd like to tell you a\Nlittle bit about the science
Dialogue: 0,2:59:08.52,2:59:11.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between emotion detection technologies.
Dialogue: 0,2:59:11.06,2:59:11.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So these are technologies
Dialogue: 0,2:59:11.96,2:59:14.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that use information captured\Nfrom face surveillance
Dialogue: 0,2:59:14.48,2:59:16.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to supposedly recognize emotions.
Dialogue: 0,2:59:16.35,2:59:18.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'll be speaking to\Nyou as a private citizen,
Dialogue: 0,2:59:18.56,2:59:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'll tell you that\Nfor the past three years,
Dialogue: 0,2:59:19.88,2:59:21.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've been working at a lab\Nat Northeastern University,
Dialogue: 0,2:59:21.87,2:59:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which studies emotions,
Dialogue: 0,2:59:23.20,2:59:24.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I've been a research assistant
Dialogue: 0,2:59:24.25,2:59:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the Harvard Kennedy Schools\NBelfer Center for Science
Dialogue: 0,2:59:26.19,2:59:27.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and International Relations,
Dialogue: 0,2:59:27.41,2:59:29.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thinking about the same\Ntype of technology.
Dialogue: 0,2:59:29.43,2:59:31.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At the interdisciplinary\Naspect of science lab
Dialogue: 0,2:59:31.44,2:59:32.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at Northeastern,
Dialogue: 0,2:59:32.27,2:59:34.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of my bosses is Dr.\NLisa Feldman Barrett.
Dialogue: 0,2:59:34.43,2:59:36.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Dr. Barrett has research\Nappointments at MGH
Dialogue: 0,2:59:36.48,2:59:37.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Harvard Medical School.
Dialogue: 0,2:59:37.33,2:59:39.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's the chief scientific\Nofficer at MGH Center
Dialogue: 0,2:59:39.61,2:59:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for Law, Brain and Behavior.
Dialogue: 0,2:59:41.10,2:59:41.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She's the author of
Dialogue: 0,2:59:41.93,2:59:44.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over 230 peer reviewed scientific papers,
Dialogue: 0,2:59:44.04,2:59:45.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just finished a term as president
Dialogue: 0,2:59:45.43,2:59:47.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Association for\NPsychological Science,
Dialogue: 0,2:59:47.59,2:59:49.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where she represented tens\Nof thousands of scientists
Dialogue: 0,2:59:49.52,2:59:50.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,around the world.
Dialogue: 0,2:59:50.76,2:59:51.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Three years ago,
Dialogue: 0,2:59:51.59,2:59:54.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this organization commissioned\Nher and four other experts,
Dialogue: 0,2:59:54.06,2:59:56.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,psychologists, computer\Nscience, and so on,
Dialogue: 0,2:59:56.19,2:59:57.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do a major study
Dialogue: 0,2:59:57.27,2:59:59.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on whether people across\Nthe world express emotions
Dialogue: 0,2:59:59.60,3:00:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like anger, sadness,\Nfear, disgust, surprise,
Dialogue: 0,3:00:01.86,3:00:04.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and happiness with distinctive\Nmovements of the face.
Dialogue: 0,3:00:04.96,3:00:06.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So all of these scientists
Dialogue: 0,3:00:06.03,3:00:07.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started with different perspectives,
Dialogue: 0,3:00:07.29,3:00:09.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they reviewed a\Nthousand research articles
Dialogue: 0,3:00:09.36,3:00:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they came to a very simple\Nand very important consensus.
Dialogue: 0,3:00:12.10,3:00:13.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the question is,
Dialogue: 0,3:00:13.40,3:00:16.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can you read emotions\Nreliably in a human face?
Dialogue: 0,3:00:16.11,3:00:17.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the answer is no.
Dialogue: 0,3:00:17.39,3:00:19.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Here's an example from Dr. Barrett.
Dialogue: 0,3:00:19.47,3:00:22.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People living in Western\Ncultures scowl when they're angry
Dialogue: 0,3:00:22.35,3:00:23.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about 30% of the time,
Dialogue: 0,3:00:23.92,3:00:26.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this means that they make\Nother facial expressions,
Dialogue: 0,3:00:26.19,3:00:29.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,frowns, wide-eyed, gasps\Nsmiles about 70% of the time.
Dialogue: 0,3:00:29.87,3:00:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is called low reliability.
Dialogue: 0,3:00:32.32,3:00:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People scowl when angry more than chance,
Dialogue: 0,3:00:35.07,3:00:36.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but they also scowl\Nwhen they're not angry.
Dialogue: 0,3:00:36.13,3:00:38.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If they're concentrating or if\Nthey have something like gas,
Dialogue: 0,3:00:38.65,3:00:40.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this is called low specificity.
Dialogue: 0,3:00:40.51,3:00:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a scowl is not the expression of anger,
Dialogue: 0,3:00:42.73,3:00:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it's one of many expressions of anger.
Dialogue: 0,3:00:44.42,3:00:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And sometimes it doesn't\Nexpress anger at all.
Dialogue: 0,3:00:47.07,3:00:49.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In this paper, Dr.\NBarrett and her colleagues
Dialogue: 0,3:00:49.67,3:00:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,showed that scowling and\Nanger, smiling and happiness,
Dialogue: 0,3:00:52.48,3:00:53.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,frowning and sadness,
Dialogue: 0,3:00:53.49,3:00:55.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,these are all Western stereotypes\Nof emotional expressions.
Dialogue: 0,3:00:55.31,3:00:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They reflect some common beliefs
Dialogue: 0,3:00:56.77,3:00:58.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about emotional expressions,
Dialogue: 0,3:00:58.26,3:01:00.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but these beliefs don't correspond
Dialogue: 0,3:01:00.39,3:01:02.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to how people actually move\Ntheir faces in real life.
Dialogue: 0,3:01:02.89,3:01:03.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And they don't generalize to cultures
Dialogue: 0,3:01:04.92,3:01:06.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are different from ours.
Dialogue: 0,3:01:06.61,3:01:07.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So it's not possible for anyone
Dialogue: 0,3:01:07.99,3:01:09.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or anything to read an\Nemotion on our face.
Dialogue: 0,3:01:09.81,3:01:11.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And we shouldn't confidently\Ninfer happiness from a smile,
Dialogue: 0,3:01:11.55,3:01:14.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,anger from a scowl or\Nsadness from a frown.
Dialogue: 0,3:01:14.07,3:01:16.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are technologies\Nthat claim to do this,
Dialogue: 0,3:01:16.91,3:01:18.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they're misrepresenting\Nwhat they can do
Dialogue: 0,3:01:18.99,3:01:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,according to the best available evidence.
Dialogue: 0,3:01:21.47,3:01:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,People aren't moving their faces randomly,
Dialogue: 0,3:01:24.37,3:01:25.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but there's a lot of variation
Dialogue: 0,3:01:25.73,3:01:27.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the meaning of a facial movement
Dialogue: 0,3:01:27.81,3:01:30.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,depends on a person on the\Ncontext and on culture.
Dialogue: 0,3:01:30.19,3:01:31.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So let me give you one example
Dialogue: 0,3:01:31.81,3:01:34.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of how making this assumption\Ncan be really harmful.
Dialogue: 0,3:01:34.67,3:01:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's a scientist, Dr. Lauren Ruth,
Dialogue: 0,3:01:36.24,3:01:38.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when she was at Wake Forest University,
Dialogue: 0,3:01:38.56,3:01:40.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,published work reviewing two popular
Dialogue: 0,3:01:40.08,3:01:41.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emotion detection algorithms.
Dialogue: 0,3:01:41.01,3:01:43.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,She ran these algorithms algorithms
Dialogue: 0,3:01:43.01,3:01:45.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on portraits of white\Nand black NBA players.
Dialogue: 0,3:01:45.47,3:01:47.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And both of them consistently interpreted
Dialogue: 0,3:01:47.31,3:01:49.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the black players as having\Nmore negative emotions
Dialogue: 0,3:01:49.38,3:01:50.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than the white players.
Dialogue: 0,3:01:50.83,3:01:52.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imagine that there's a security guard
Dialogue: 0,3:01:52.24,3:01:54.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that gets information\Nfrom a surveillance camera
Dialogue: 0,3:01:54.09,3:01:55.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this is possible nuisance
Dialogue: 0,3:01:55.27,3:01:57.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the lobby of their building
Dialogue: 0,3:01:57.13,3:01:59.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because of the facial movements\Nthat somebody is making.
Dialogue: 0,3:01:59.06,3:02:00.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imagine a defendant in the courtroom
Dialogue: 0,3:02:00.66,3:02:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that scowling as they\Nconcentrate on legal proceedings
Dialogue: 0,3:02:02.86,3:02:05.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but in emotion AI, based\Non facial surveillance
Dialogue: 0,3:02:05.35,3:02:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,tells the jury that\Nthe defendant is angry.
Dialogue: 0,3:02:07.50,3:02:08.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imagine that the defendant is black
Dialogue: 0,3:02:08.91,3:02:10.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the AI says that they're contemptuous.
Dialogue: 0,3:02:10.92,3:02:12.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Imagine at worst, that police officer
Dialogue: 0,3:02:12.90,3:02:14.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,receiving an alert from at a body camera
Dialogue: 0,3:02:14.66,3:02:16.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on this technology
Dialogue: 0,3:02:16.03,3:02:18.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that says that someone in\Ntheir line of sight is a threat
Dialogue: 0,3:02:18.44,3:02:21.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,based on a so-called\Nreading of their face.
Dialogue: 0,3:02:21.41,3:02:24.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Councilors I think that the question
Dialogue: 0,3:02:24.22,3:02:25.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we should be thinking about
Dialogue: 0,3:02:25.19,3:02:27.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is whether we want someone\Nto use this technology on us
Dialogue: 0,3:02:27.85,3:02:31.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the chance that it\Nwould misinterpret our face
Dialogue: 0,3:02:31.13,3:02:34.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,given the major chance\Nthat it has of being wrong.
Dialogue: 0,3:02:34.01,3:02:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think the clear\Nanswer to that is no.
Dialogue: 0,3:02:35.96,3:02:38.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We should ban facial\Nsurveillance technologies
Dialogue: 0,3:02:38.22,3:02:41.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and all of these other\Ndangerous applications.
Dialogue: 0,3:02:41.49,3:02:42.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,3:02:42.76,3:02:43.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,3:02:43.86,3:02:45.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Next up is Danielle and\NDanielle will be followed
Dialogue: 0,3:02:45.99,3:02:48.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by DJ Hatfield and Denise Horn.
Dialogue: 0,3:02:50.98,3:02:53.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, good afternoon everybody.
Dialogue: 0,3:02:53.11,3:02:55.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Danielle,\NI'm a Boston resident,
Dialogue: 0,3:02:55.07,3:02:57.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I live in the north end.
Dialogue: 0,3:02:57.45,3:03:00.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just wanted to fully support
Dialogue: 0,3:03:00.98,3:03:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and put my voice behind the ban
Dialogue: 0,3:03:03.93,3:03:07.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for facial recognition\Nrecognition technology.
Dialogue: 0,3:03:07.92,3:03:10.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I feel as though the expert witnesses
Dialogue: 0,3:03:10.90,3:03:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and activists that have gone before me,
Dialogue: 0,3:03:13.21,3:03:17.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have clearly expressed and\Neloquently expressed the views
Dialogue: 0,3:03:17.63,3:03:19.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I also share.
Dialogue: 0,3:03:19.23,3:03:22.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I find this technology to\Nbe incredibly dangerous.
Dialogue: 0,3:03:22.86,3:03:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a cybersecurity professional,
Dialogue: 0,3:03:25.62,3:03:27.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have a lot of questions about
Dialogue: 0,3:03:27.39,3:03:32.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what it means to be\Ncollecting data on people
Dialogue: 0,3:03:32.35,3:03:33.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and storing it.
Dialogue: 0,3:03:34.21,3:03:38.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I certainly think that this is a measure
Dialogue: 0,3:03:38.11,3:03:40.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that should be taken to be a precedent
Dialogue: 0,3:03:40.43,3:03:43.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for all future developments\Nof the technology
Dialogue: 0,3:03:43.46,3:03:44.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as was just stated.
Dialogue: 0,3:03:44.75,3:03:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are upcoming and new ways
Dialogue: 0,3:03:48.27,3:03:52.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to express facial recognition\Nthrough emotions or otherwise
Dialogue: 0,3:03:52.49,3:03:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can't even comprehend\Nyet because it hasn't started.
Dialogue: 0,3:03:56.16,3:03:59.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I wanted to support it and\Nthank all the other people
Dialogue: 0,3:03:59.55,3:04:01.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for putting their voice behind it
Dialogue: 0,3:04:01.29,3:04:04.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and hope to see it take place, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,3:04:06.16,3:04:07.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much, DJ.
Dialogue: 0,3:04:15.26,3:04:17.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, will start the video.
Dialogue: 0,3:04:17.86,3:04:19.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm DJ Hatfield.
Dialogue: 0,3:04:19.69,3:04:23.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm a professor of\Nanthropology and history
Dialogue: 0,3:04:23.35,3:04:25.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at the Berkeley College\Nof Music in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,3:04:25.87,3:04:30.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,However, what I have to\Nsay is as a private citizen
Dialogue: 0,3:04:30.86,3:04:33.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and a resident of east Boston,
Dialogue: 0,3:04:33.35,3:04:37.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's a shout out to\NLydia, east Boston pride.
Dialogue: 0,3:04:37.51,3:04:42.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, as an anthropologist I'm\Naware that all technologies,
Dialogue: 0,3:04:42.75,3:04:44.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including digital technologies
Dialogue: 0,3:04:44.81,3:04:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reflect an augment the social structures
Dialogue: 0,3:04:47.10,3:04:50.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and systems of value of\Nparticular societies.
Dialogue: 0,3:04:50.07,3:04:51.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,They are not objective,
Dialogue: 0,3:04:51.87,3:04:54.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but reflect the biases of those societies
Dialogue: 0,3:04:54.37,3:04:56.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as they develop through history.
Dialogue: 0,3:04:56.79,3:04:59.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Moreover, if we look at societies
Dialogue: 0,3:04:59.47,3:05:02.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where facial recognition\Nhas been widely deployed,
Dialogue: 0,3:05:02.49,3:05:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as the People's Republic of China,
Dialogue: 0,3:05:04.63,3:05:07.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we see very clearly how these technologies
Dialogue: 0,3:05:07.78,3:05:10.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been used systematically
Dialogue: 0,3:05:10.56,3:05:13.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to target marginal populations.
Dialogue: 0,3:05:14.59,3:05:16.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a quality of the weight
Dialogue: 0,3:05:16.80,3:05:21.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that these technologies\Nintersect with social systems
Dialogue: 0,3:05:21.13,3:05:23.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that act against people of color
Dialogue: 0,3:05:23.14,3:05:25.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and indigenous people, globally.
Dialogue: 0,3:05:26.43,3:05:28.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, in the city of Boston,
Dialogue: 0,3:05:28.44,3:05:33.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where we take pride in our civic freedoms,
Dialogue: 0,3:05:33.03,3:05:36.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we should be wary of technologies
Dialogue: 0,3:05:36.59,3:05:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would make our Fourth\NAmendment meaningless
Dialogue: 0,3:05:39.92,3:05:41.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and would erode the First Amendment.
Dialogue: 0,3:05:42.60,3:05:45.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Therefore, I would urge the city council
Dialogue: 0,3:05:45.15,3:05:50.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the city of Boston\Nto pass a complete ban
Dialogue: 0,3:05:50.52,3:05:54.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on facial recognition\Nsystems and technology,
Dialogue: 0,3:05:54.97,3:05:58.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the amendments that have\Nbeen proposed by experts,
Dialogue: 0,3:05:58.63,3:06:01.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such as those of the\NElectronic Freedom Foundation,
Dialogue: 0,3:06:01.69,3:06:06.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Algorithmic Justice League,
Dialogue: 0,3:06:06.68,3:06:09.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who have said there should be no exception
Dialogue: 0,3:06:09.08,3:06:12.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for the Boston Police Department\Nto use facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,3:06:12.90,3:06:17.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or surveillance systems in evidence,
Dialogue: 0,3:06:17.96,3:06:20.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in which there should be strict rules
Dialogue: 0,3:06:20.97,3:06:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for enforcement of breaches of this ban.
Dialogue: 0,3:06:24.42,3:06:28.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And finally, if possible,\Nextending this ban
Dialogue: 0,3:06:28.57,3:06:31.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to all private actors who have business
Dialogue: 0,3:06:31.38,3:06:32.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the city of Boston.
Dialogue: 0,3:06:32.88,3:06:34.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you for your consideration
Dialogue: 0,3:06:34.35,3:06:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you for all your time today.
Dialogue: 0,3:06:35.96,3:06:38.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I appreciate being able to join
Dialogue: 0,3:06:38.63,3:06:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in my very first public hearing.
Dialogue: 0,3:06:40.97,3:06:41.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,3:06:41.80,3:06:44.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We are excited to have you at our hearing
Dialogue: 0,3:06:44.59,3:06:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and hope you'll come back, Denise next.
Dialogue: 0,3:06:47.29,3:06:48.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then after Denise,
Dialogue: 0,3:06:48.88,3:06:50.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there are a few names assigned up
Dialogue: 0,3:06:50.64,3:06:52.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I didn't see in the room.
Dialogue: 0,3:06:52.41,3:06:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm gonna call out folks
Dialogue: 0,3:06:55.20,3:06:57.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that I was able to cross\Nreference between the waiting room
Dialogue: 0,3:06:57.35,3:07:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the list, which was Charles Griswold
Dialogue: 0,3:07:00.50,3:07:02.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Nora Paul-Schultz.
Dialogue: 0,3:07:02.24,3:07:03.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And then after that,
Dialogue: 0,3:07:03.20,3:07:04.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna try to admit everyone else
Dialogue: 0,3:07:04.75,3:07:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who's in the room and go in order,
Dialogue: 0,3:07:06.80,3:07:09.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even if you weren't on the original list.
Dialogue: 0,3:07:09.90,3:07:11.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So Denise, please.
Dialogue: 0,3:07:12.67,3:07:13.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,3:07:13.61,3:07:14.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you members of the council
Dialogue: 0,3:07:14.98,3:07:16.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the lead sponsors of the ordinance
Dialogue: 0,3:07:16.90,3:07:19.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the panelists, really\Nexcellent commentary.
Dialogue: 0,3:07:19.19,3:07:21.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I just have to say how impressed I am
Dialogue: 0,3:07:21.36,3:07:25.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the Student Immigrant\NMovement for showing up today,
Dialogue: 0,3:07:25.02,3:07:26.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this really impressive.
Dialogue: 0,3:07:26.61,3:07:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Denise Horn, I'm\Na resident of Jamaica Plain.
Dialogue: 0,3:07:30.15,3:07:32.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm also a professor of political science
Dialogue: 0,3:07:32.73,3:07:35.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and international relations\Nat Simmons University.
Dialogue: 0,3:07:35.43,3:07:37.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Although I am not representing\Nmy institution today.
Dialogue: 0,3:07:37.64,3:07:40.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I want to say that I support the ban
Dialogue: 0,3:07:40.79,3:07:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,against the use of facial surveillance.
Dialogue: 0,3:07:42.73,3:07:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So, like professor Hatfield,
Dialogue: 0,3:07:45.30,3:07:49.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am a scholar of international relations,
Dialogue: 0,3:07:49.07,3:07:51.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I have studied authoritarian\Nregimes in Eastern Europe
Dialogue: 0,3:07:51.67,3:07:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and east and southeast Asia,
Dialogue: 0,3:07:55.02,3:07:57.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,where surveillance technologies\Nof every kind have been
Dialogue: 0,3:07:57.57,3:08:00.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and are used to target\Nenemies of the state.
Dialogue: 0,3:08:00.62,3:08:03.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In the United States we're\Nalready seeing this language
Dialogue: 0,3:08:03.43,3:08:05.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in use by the leaders in our government,
Dialogue: 0,3:08:05.01,3:08:06.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regarding immigrants and activists,
Dialogue: 0,3:08:06.24,3:08:09.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and especially those who\Nare opposed to fascism.
Dialogue: 0,3:08:09.53,3:08:11.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I do not think that we\Nshould underestimate
Dialogue: 0,3:08:11.77,3:08:14.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how this type of technology could be used
Dialogue: 0,3:08:14.37,3:08:17.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to further racists an\Nauthoritarian agendas here.
Dialogue: 0,3:08:17.73,3:08:21.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The use of facial surveillance\Nis used to oppress
Dialogue: 0,3:08:21.25,3:08:24.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and control citizens under\Nthe guise of public safety.
Dialogue: 0,3:08:24.17,3:08:25.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is a slippery slope.
Dialogue: 0,3:08:25.47,3:08:28.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Government surveillance\Nis used to silence,
Dialogue: 0,3:08:28.89,3:08:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to suppress speech and\Nto violate human rights.
Dialogue: 0,3:08:32.32,3:08:34.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As an educator, I worry about this type,
Dialogue: 0,3:08:34.68,3:08:37.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how this type of technology will be used
Dialogue: 0,3:08:37.63,3:08:40.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to adversely affect the lives\Nof my students of color,
Dialogue: 0,3:08:40.91,3:08:43.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trans students, undocumented\Nstudents, activists
Dialogue: 0,3:08:43.64,3:08:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and marginalized groups,\Ntheir lives matter.
Dialogue: 0,3:08:47.07,3:08:48.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I strongly support this ban
Dialogue: 0,3:08:48.52,3:08:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I thank you for letting me speak.
Dialogue: 0,3:08:52.38,3:08:54.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, Denise, Charles.
Dialogue: 0,3:08:55.83,3:09:00.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yep, so I'm trying to start\Nthe video here, there we are.
Dialogue: 0,3:09:02.83,3:09:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Can you see me and hear me?
Dialogue: 0,3:09:05.65,3:09:08.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes we can.\NOkay, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,3:09:08.42,3:09:11.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,My name is Charles Gridwold,\NI'm a resident of Brighton
Dialogue: 0,3:09:11.54,3:09:15.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm a philosophy professor\Nat Boston University.
Dialogue: 0,3:09:15.72,3:09:18.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hasten to add that I'm\Noffering my thoughts here
Dialogue: 0,3:09:18.87,3:09:21.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in offering my thoughts,
Dialogue: 0,3:09:21.22,3:09:23.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am not speaking for my university
Dialogue: 0,3:09:23.32,3:09:24.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not acting on his behalf.
Dialogue: 0,3:09:24.83,3:09:26.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I'm speaking on my own behalf only.
Dialogue: 0,3:09:26.71,3:09:29.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm very grateful to all\Nof you on the council
Dialogue: 0,3:09:29.64,3:09:31.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for taking action on this matter
Dialogue: 0,3:09:31.77,3:09:34.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to the police commissioner\Nfor his impressive
Dialogue: 0,3:09:34.74,3:09:36.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in some ways reassuring testimony.
Dialogue: 0,3:09:36.53,3:09:39.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It's imperative I think,
Dialogue: 0,3:09:39.37,3:09:43.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that you approve this ban on\Nfacial recognition technology,
Dialogue: 0,3:09:43.39,3:09:47.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or rather technologies as we've\Nlearned today by government
Dialogue: 0,3:09:47.66,3:09:50.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,before the relevant software is upgraded.
Dialogue: 0,3:09:51.52,3:09:52.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So far as I can tell,
Dialogue: 0,3:09:52.69,3:09:56.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,three arguments for the ban\Nhave been discussed today.
Dialogue: 0,3:09:56.71,3:10:00.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first two extensively\Nand the third a bit less so
Dialogue: 0,3:10:00.05,3:10:02.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and taken together, they\Nseem to me to be decisive
Dialogue: 0,3:10:02.99,3:10:06.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in making the case for the ban.
Dialogue: 0,3:10:06.12,3:10:07.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first is of course
Dialogue: 0,3:10:07.28,3:10:10.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the matter of racial and gender justice,
Dialogue: 0,3:10:10.00,3:10:12.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on account of the fact that the technology
Dialogue: 0,3:10:12.09,3:10:14.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is known to be inaccurate.
Dialogue: 0,3:10:14.37,3:10:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But secondly, is the\Nfact that the technology
Dialogue: 0,3:10:18.40,3:10:19.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is objectionable.
Dialogue: 0,3:10:19.51,3:10:21.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Not just because it's not accurate,
Dialogue: 0,3:10:21.16,3:10:23.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also when it is accurate,
Dialogue: 0,3:10:23.25,3:10:26.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as Kade Crockford has\Neloquently argued today.
Dialogue: 0,3:10:26.96,3:10:28.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that seems to me\Nto be an essential part
Dialogue: 0,3:10:28.86,3:10:32.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the response to the\Ncommissioner's remarks.
Dialogue: 0,3:10:32.63,3:10:36.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In some of the technology puts\Ntremendous additional power
Dialogue: 0,3:10:36.99,3:10:39.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the hands of government and its agents,
Dialogue: 0,3:10:39.41,3:10:42.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the more so when it actually does work
Dialogue: 0,3:10:42.12,3:10:44.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and our privacy among other things
Dialogue: 0,3:10:44.40,3:10:46.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is certainly threatened by that.
Dialogue: 0,3:10:46.75,3:10:49.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Where could that lead, look no further,
Dialogue: 0,3:10:49.09,3:10:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as people have suggested to the nightmare,
Dialogue: 0,3:10:52.12,3:10:55.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that is the surveillance\Napparatus in China today.
Dialogue: 0,3:10:55.67,3:10:58.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The third point is, has been mentioned,
Dialogue: 0,3:10:58.89,3:11:00.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but it was less emphasized.
Dialogue: 0,3:11:00.45,3:11:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I think it's just worth underlining,
Dialogue: 0,3:11:02.02,3:11:04.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is that the awareness
Dialogue: 0,3:11:04.00,3:11:07.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of being personally tracked\Noutside of one's home
Dialogue: 0,3:11:07.89,3:11:09.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by this technology can,
Dialogue: 0,3:11:09.41,3:11:11.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I think will have a chilling effect
Dialogue: 0,3:11:11.66,3:11:14.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on our exercise of our civil rights,
Dialogue: 0,3:11:14.15,3:11:16.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including our rights of free speech,
Dialogue: 0,3:11:16.26,3:11:18.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,freedom of association and our religion.
Dialogue: 0,3:11:18.85,3:11:23.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I strongly urge the\Ncouncil to pass this ban,
Dialogue: 0,3:11:23.24,3:11:25.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I also ask that you\Nwill not stop there,
Dialogue: 0,3:11:25.71,3:11:28.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,expand the band even further,
Dialogue: 0,3:11:28.74,3:11:31.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going forward to include other kinds
Dialogue: 0,3:11:31.71,3:11:33.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of remote surveillance systems,
Dialogue: 0,3:11:33.30,3:11:35.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,such that are biometric for example,
Dialogue: 0,3:11:35.07,3:11:36.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a gate and voice recognition systems,
Dialogue: 0,3:11:36.95,3:11:41.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and also to the private\Nsector has been suggested.
Dialogue: 0,3:11:41.21,3:11:46.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I hope that you will consider\Nexpeditiously passing this,
Dialogue: 0,3:11:46.14,3:11:48.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but also going further.
Dialogue: 0,3:11:48.27,3:11:49.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much for listening.
Dialogue: 0,3:11:49.80,3:11:51.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much, Nora.
Dialogue: 0,3:11:53.90,3:11:56.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Good evening, my name\Nis Nora Paul-Schultz,
Dialogue: 0,3:11:56.06,3:11:58.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I am a physics teacher\Nin Boston public schools.
Dialogue: 0,3:11:58.77,3:12:01.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I've had the pleasure\Nof teaching Eli and Esmalda
Dialogue: 0,3:12:01.94,3:12:03.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who spoke earlier and\Nhopefully one day Angel.
Dialogue: 0,3:12:03.96,3:12:06.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm a resident of Jamaica Plain.
Dialogue: 0,3:12:06.53,3:12:09.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As someone who studied\Nengineering when I was in college,
Dialogue: 0,3:12:09.30,3:12:10.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has taught engineering
Dialogue: 0,3:12:10.48,3:12:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and is one of the robotics\Ncoaches at The O'Bryant,
Dialogue: 0,3:12:13.08,3:12:14.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I understand the impulse to feel like
Dialogue: 0,3:12:14.76,3:12:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technology can solve all of our problems.
Dialogue: 0,3:12:17.36,3:12:20.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know that many for\Nmany there is a desire
Dialogue: 0,3:12:20.45,3:12:23.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that if we have better\Nsmarter and more technology
Dialogue: 0,3:12:23.58,3:12:26.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than our communities will be safer,
Dialogue: 0,3:12:26.10,3:12:28.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but the reality is that\Ntechnology is not perfect.
Dialogue: 0,3:12:28.76,3:12:31.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A perfect unbias tool,
Dialogue: 0,3:12:31.08,3:12:33.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as much as we wish it would be.
Dialogue: 0,3:12:33.41,3:12:36.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our technologies reflect the\Ninherent biases of our makers.
Dialogue: 0,3:12:36.79,3:12:39.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So technology isn't going to save us.
Dialogue: 0,3:12:39.95,3:12:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,If it does not take\Nmuch to see that racism
Dialogue: 0,3:12:44.65,3:12:47.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is infused in all parts of our country.
Dialogue: 0,3:12:47.22,3:12:51.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And that is true about the\Nfacial surveillance technologies.
Dialogue: 0,3:12:51.15,3:12:52.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Through my work with Unafraid Educators,
Dialogue: 0,3:12:52.93,3:12:55.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Boston Teacher Unions,
Dialogue: 0,3:12:55.01,3:12:56.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,immigrant rights organizing committee,
Dialogue: 0,3:12:56.59,3:12:59.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the information sharing\Nbetween Boston School Police
Dialogue: 0,3:12:59.86,3:13:02.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the Boston Police Department,
Dialogue: 0,3:13:02.08,3:13:06.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I know how detrimental observations\Nand surveillance can be.
Dialogue: 0,3:13:06.23,3:13:07.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Practices of surveillance
Dialogue: 0,3:13:07.94,3:13:09.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,like camera recording in the hallway
Dialogue: 0,3:13:09.64,3:13:13.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or officers watching young\Npeople are not passive.
Dialogue: 0,3:13:13.43,3:13:15.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Surveillance is active.
Dialogue: 0,3:13:15.43,3:13:19.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It leads to the creation\Nof law enforcement profiles
Dialogue: 0,3:13:19.06,3:13:23.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about young people and\Nthat can impact their lives
Dialogue: 0,3:13:23.85,3:13:25.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in material ways for years to come.
Dialogue: 0,3:13:25.80,3:13:29.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And what of those impacts\Nbeing in the system,
Dialogue: 0,3:13:29.77,3:13:32.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,can make it harder for\Nyoung people to get a job
Dialogue: 0,3:13:32.41,3:13:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or get housing.
Dialogue: 0,3:13:33.40,3:13:36.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It can lead to incarceration,\Nit can lead to deportation.
Dialogue: 0,3:13:36.92,3:13:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our city government\Ndoes not need more tools
Dialogue: 0,3:13:39.64,3:13:41.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to profile the people of our city
Dialogue: 0,3:13:41.65,3:13:44.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and especially does doesn't need tools
Dialogue: 0,3:13:44.96,3:13:46.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are inherently racist.
Dialogue: 0,3:13:46.48,3:13:49.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is why the ban is so important.
Dialogue: 0,3:13:49.01,3:13:51.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Teaching has taught me\Nthat what keeps us safe
Dialogue: 0,3:13:51.85,3:13:54.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is not having the government surveillance
Dialogue: 0,3:13:54.19,3:13:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and track us through technology,
Dialogue: 0,3:13:55.96,3:13:58.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what keeps us safe is\Ninvesting in housing,
Dialogue: 0,3:13:58.16,3:13:59.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,education and healthcare.
Dialogue: 0,3:13:59.81,3:14:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This face surveillance\Ntechnology harms our community,
Dialogue: 0,3:14:03.25,3:14:04.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Ah!
Dialogue: 0,3:14:07.07,3:14:08.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry.
Dialogue: 0,3:14:08.55,3:14:13.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This surveillance technology\Nharms our community.
Dialogue: 0,3:14:13.95,3:14:16.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The fact that the face ban technology
Dialogue: 0,3:14:16.17,3:14:19.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,only identifies black women\Ncorrectly one third of the time
Dialogue: 0,3:14:19.83,3:14:22.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lays bare both the ineffectiveness
Dialogue: 0,3:14:22.01,3:14:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and implicit bias built into the system.
Dialogue: 0,3:14:24.28,3:14:27.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As a teacher I know that\Nthat is not a passing grade.
Dialogue: 0,3:14:27.04,3:14:29.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We need money to go to services
Dialogue: 0,3:14:29.01,3:14:30.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that will protect our community,
Dialogue: 0,3:14:30.99,3:14:33.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and we need to stop and prevent
Dialogue: 0,3:14:33.11,3:14:35.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the use of ineffective racists
Dialogue: 0,3:14:35.03,3:14:37.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and money wasting technologies.
Dialogue: 0,3:14:37.82,3:14:38.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,3:14:40.66,3:14:43.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, Nora and we\Nappreciate all of your work.
Dialogue: 0,3:14:43.09,3:14:45.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm gonna quickly read the list of names
Dialogue: 0,3:14:45.99,3:14:48.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that were signed up to testify,
Dialogue: 0,3:14:48.24,3:14:50.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I didn't see matches\Nof the names of folks
Dialogue: 0,3:14:50.77,3:14:52.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,left in the waiting room.
Dialogue: 0,3:14:52.01,3:14:54.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So just in case you're assigning\Nit on a different name,
Dialogue: 0,3:14:54.36,3:14:55.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I'm expecting that these folks
Dialogue: 0,3:14:55.72,3:14:57.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,probably aren't here anymore.
Dialogue: 0,3:14:57.08,3:15:00.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Julie McNulty, Zachary\NLawn, McKenna Kavanaugh,
Dialogue: 0,3:15:00.77,3:15:05.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Christine Dordy, Sarah Nelson,\NAndrew Tario, Amanda Meehan.
Dialogue: 0,3:15:05.83,3:15:10.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Chris Farone, Bridget\NShepherd, Lena Papagiannis.
Dialogue: 0,3:15:10.07,3:15:14.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Anyone here and signed on\Nunder a different name?
Dialogue: 0,3:15:15.67,3:15:17.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Nope, okay.
Dialogue: 0,3:15:17.13,3:15:18.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then I will just go on the order
Dialogue: 0,3:15:18.62,3:15:21.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of folks appearing on my\Nscreen to close this out.
Dialogue: 0,3:15:21.54,3:15:23.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much for your patience.
Dialogue: 0,3:15:23.58,3:15:28.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So that will be Mark G then Adeline Ansell
Dialogue: 0,3:15:28.89,3:15:30.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,then Carolina Pena.
Dialogue: 0,3:15:34.19,3:15:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Yes, so this is Mark Gurvich,
Dialogue: 0,3:15:37.47,3:15:39.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm presenting testimony on behalf of
Dialogue: 0,3:15:40.33,3:15:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jewish Voice for Peace,
Dialogue: 0,3:15:41.16,3:15:42.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a local and national organization
Dialogue: 0,3:15:42.57,3:15:45.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's guided by Jewish\Nvalues, fighting racism,
Dialogue: 0,3:15:45.63,3:15:49.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sexism, Islamophobia, LGBTQ, oppression
Dialogue: 0,3:15:49.30,3:15:51.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and anti-immigrant policies here
Dialogue: 0,3:15:51.87,3:15:53.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and challenging racism, colonialism
Dialogue: 0,3:15:53.63,3:15:55.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and oppression everywhere,
Dialogue: 0,3:15:55.35,3:15:58.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with a focus on the injustices\Nsuffered by Palestinians
Dialogue: 0,3:15:58.29,3:16:01.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under Israeli occupation and control.
Dialogue: 0,3:16:01.01,3:16:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,In recent days in the U.S.\Nwe have again witnessed
Dialogue: 0,3:16:04.24,3:16:07.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the impact of militarized policing
Dialogue: 0,3:16:07.24,3:16:08.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on communities of color.
Dialogue: 0,3:16:08.93,3:16:13.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Councilor Wu has pointed\Nout in a recent publication
Dialogue: 0,3:16:14.99,3:16:17.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about this militarization
Dialogue: 0,3:16:17.47,3:16:20.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and much of this\Nmilitarization has been through
Dialogue: 0,3:16:20.37,3:16:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the transfer of billions of\Ndollars worth of equipment
Dialogue: 0,3:16:23.70,3:16:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from the military to\Ncivilian or police forces,
Dialogue: 0,3:16:27.00,3:16:28.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the training of U.S. police
Dialogue: 0,3:16:28.24,3:16:30.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the use of military tactics
Dialogue: 0,3:16:30.04,3:16:31.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in controlling the communities,
Dialogue: 0,3:16:31.71,3:16:33.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,most heavily impacted by racism,
Dialogue: 0,3:16:33.81,3:16:36.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,economic depletion, and health crises.
Dialogue: 0,3:16:36.81,3:16:41.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our view is that the use of\Nfacial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,3:16:41.69,3:16:46.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a key component of the\Nmilitarization of policing.
Dialogue: 0,3:16:46.25,3:16:48.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know this because of our knowledge
Dialogue: 0,3:16:48.12,3:16:50.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and experience of the Israeli occupation
Dialogue: 0,3:16:50.18,3:16:52.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of Palestinian people in land.
Dialogue: 0,3:16:52.59,3:16:57.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Facial recognition is a core\Nfeature of that occupation.
Dialogue: 0,3:16:58.83,3:17:00.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Much of the technology being marketed
Dialogue: 0,3:17:00.85,3:17:02.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the U.S. law enforcement,
Dialogue: 0,3:17:02.50,3:17:04.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been field tested on Palestinians
Dialogue: 0,3:17:04.80,3:17:07.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,under military occupation.
Dialogue: 0,3:17:07.23,3:17:09.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,At this historic and critical time,
Dialogue: 0,3:17:09.18,3:17:12.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when the effects of militarized\Npolicing in the U.S.
Dialogue: 0,3:17:12.11,3:17:15.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has resulted in nationwide\Nand worldwide condemnation,
Dialogue: 0,3:17:15.95,3:17:18.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the very last thing we\Nneed is another tool
Dialogue: 0,3:17:18.93,3:17:22.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,adopted from the toolbox\Nof military occupation.
Dialogue: 0,3:17:22.77,3:17:26.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Jewish Voice for Peace, supports\Nthe face surveillance ban.
Dialogue: 0,3:17:26.73,3:17:28.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,3:17:28.81,3:17:30.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,3:17:30.23,3:17:33.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adeline or Adeline, sorry\Nto mispronounce your name.
Dialogue: 0,3:17:40.18,3:17:41.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adeline Ansell.
Dialogue: 0,3:17:44.81,3:17:47.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We'll move on to Carolina\Nor Carolina Pena.
Dialogue: 0,3:17:56.38,3:17:57.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let me see.
Dialogue: 0,3:17:57.85,3:17:59.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I will unmute on my own in case
Dialogue: 0,3:17:59.59,3:18:01.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's a muting and unmuting issue.
Dialogue: 0,3:18:06.18,3:18:09.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Then we'll move on to Kristen Lyman.
Dialogue: 0,3:18:09.03,3:18:11.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kristen will be followed by Galen bunting,
Dialogue: 0,3:18:11.51,3:18:14.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maria Brincker and Araya Zack.
Dialogue: 0,3:18:14.51,3:18:15.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Kristin.
Dialogue: 0,3:18:28.14,3:18:29.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, going to Galen,
Dialogue: 0,3:18:38.13,3:18:39.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Maria Brincker.
Dialogue: 0,3:18:46.01,3:18:47.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,MARIA: Yes.
Dialogue: 0,3:18:47.04,3:18:49.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, I had actually not\Nnecessarily prepared.
Dialogue: 0,3:18:49.82,3:18:53.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hello, can you hear me?
Dialogue: 0,3:18:53.21,3:18:57.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Adeline, will go to your\Nright right next up to Maria.
Dialogue: 0,3:18:57.37,3:18:59.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Sorry about the confusion.
Dialogue: 0,3:18:59.64,3:19:01.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ADELINE: Okay.\NOkay, no problem.
Dialogue: 0,3:19:01.93,3:19:05.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I just wanted to thank everybody
Dialogue: 0,3:19:05.28,3:19:09.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wanna say that I am very much,
Dialogue: 0,3:19:09.88,3:19:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm an associate professor at UMass Boston
Dialogue: 0,3:19:12.69,3:19:15.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and both as an educator,
Dialogue: 0,3:19:15.77,3:19:20.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as a researcher in\Nissues of surveillance,
Dialogue: 0,3:19:20.25,3:19:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I am very much in favor of the ordinance.
Dialogue: 0,3:19:23.41,3:19:26.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would like to say that,
Dialogue: 0,3:19:26.23,3:19:31.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I would also like the council\Nto consider wider regulations.
Dialogue: 0,3:19:31.28,3:19:33.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So as many have said before,
Dialogue: 0,3:19:33.97,3:19:38.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's a lot of issues\Nalso in the private sphere.
Dialogue: 0,3:19:39.97,3:19:42.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this is a very important first step,
Dialogue: 0,3:19:42.37,3:19:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but a lot of the use of facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,3:19:48.08,3:19:49.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in law enforcement,
Dialogue: 0,3:19:49.51,3:19:54.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really interacts with the use\Nof surveillance technologies
Dialogue: 0,3:19:55.16,3:19:56.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the private space.
Dialogue: 0,3:19:56.77,3:20:01.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So for example, when the\NBrooklyn Police Department
Dialogue: 0,3:20:01.20,3:20:04.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were trying to argue\Nagainst the Brooklyn ban,
Dialogue: 0,3:20:08.27,3:20:13.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they used an example of\Npolice using Snapchat.
Dialogue: 0,3:20:13.89,3:20:18.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So a lot of speakers before\Nhave talked about the importance
Dialogue: 0,3:20:18.33,3:20:20.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of anonymity in public space,
Dialogue: 0,3:20:20.33,3:20:22.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm fully in support of that,
Dialogue: 0,3:20:22.54,3:20:25.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but this is not only about public space.
Dialogue: 0,3:20:25.52,3:20:27.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So the use of facial recognition software
Dialogue: 0,3:20:27.86,3:20:31.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is of course invading all\Nour private spaces as well.
Dialogue: 0,3:20:31.14,3:20:35.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I would like people\Nto be aware of that.
Dialogue: 0,3:20:35.21,3:20:36.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And as a teacher right now,
Dialogue: 0,3:20:36.98,3:20:40.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with the epidemic teaching on Zoom,
Dialogue: 0,3:20:40.03,3:20:45.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can only imagine\Nthe deployment of voice
Dialogue: 0,3:20:47.41,3:20:52.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and face recognition in all our spaces.
Dialogue: 0,3:20:52.37,3:20:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I think this is very important.
Dialogue: 0,3:20:54.73,3:20:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And another thing,
Dialogue: 0,3:20:55.56,3:20:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my background is also in\Nphilosophy of neuroscience
Dialogue: 0,3:20:57.94,3:21:02.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in the understanding\Nof autonomous action.
Dialogue: 0,3:21:02.05,3:21:05.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And autonomous action\Ndepends on being in a space
Dialogue: 0,3:21:05.76,3:21:07.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can understand.
Dialogue: 0,3:21:07.58,3:21:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And one of the reasons\Nwhy facial recognition
Dialogue: 0,3:21:09.83,3:21:12.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is one of the most dangerous inventions,
Dialogue: 0,3:21:12.69,3:21:17.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that it precisely ruins\Nthe integrity of any space
Dialogue: 0,3:21:17.93,3:21:20.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because we don't know who's there
Dialogue: 0,3:21:20.23,3:21:24.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it can do so retroactively.
Dialogue: 0,3:21:25.12,3:21:29.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So I thank you very much\Nfor all your work on this,
Dialogue: 0,3:21:29.23,3:21:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I'm fully in support of\Nthe ordinance, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,3:21:32.40,3:21:33.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much.
Dialogue: 0,3:21:34.53,3:21:36.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, next we'll go to Adeline
Dialogue: 0,3:21:39.14,3:21:41.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Hi, I'm Adeline Ansell.
Dialogue: 0,3:21:42.62,3:21:45.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was just coming out to\Nsupport the ordinance as member
Dialogue: 0,3:21:45.48,3:21:47.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Unafraid Educators group
Dialogue: 0,3:21:47.36,3:21:49.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the Boston Teachers Union,
Dialogue: 0,3:21:49.78,3:21:51.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to protect our immigrant students
Dialogue: 0,3:21:51.79,3:21:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and who have been\Nadvocating for themselves
Dialogue: 0,3:21:53.92,3:21:56.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,through the Student Immigrant Movement
Dialogue: 0,3:21:56.75,3:21:58.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to support this ordinance
Dialogue: 0,3:21:58.95,3:22:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,banning facial recognition technology,
Dialogue: 0,3:22:03.02,3:22:06.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it puts our\Nstudents more so at risk.
Dialogue: 0,3:22:06.94,3:22:10.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I don't have a lot to add.
Dialogue: 0,3:22:10.93,3:22:12.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I just wanna support\Nthe work they're doing
Dialogue: 0,3:22:12.40,3:22:14.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in their student advocacy.
Dialogue: 0,3:22:14.03,3:22:15.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I know they all spoke for themselves
Dialogue: 0,3:22:15.75,3:22:17.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in their allies did as well,
Dialogue: 0,3:22:17.67,3:22:20.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and just wanted to let you\Nknow that Boston teachers
Dialogue: 0,3:22:20.46,3:22:23.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,also support this ban.
Dialogue: 0,3:22:23.35,3:22:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you for listening\Nto all of their testimony
Dialogue: 0,3:22:26.50,3:22:29.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and know that the teachers\Nare on their side too,
Dialogue: 0,3:22:29.47,3:22:32.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that we support this\Nordinance, thank you.
Dialogue: 0,3:22:32.65,3:22:33.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you.
Dialogue: 0,3:22:33.99,3:22:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, last call.
Dialogue: 0,3:22:35.60,3:22:38.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Either Carolina or Galen
Dialogue: 0,3:22:38.41,3:22:40.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or anyone else who would like to speak.
Dialogue: 0,3:22:40.26,3:22:43.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think everyone's been admitted\Nfrom the waiting room now.
Dialogue: 0,3:22:45.57,3:22:46.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Okay, seeing no takers,
Dialogue: 0,3:22:46.89,3:22:49.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'll pass it back if any councilors
Dialogue: 0,3:22:49.41,3:22:52.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wish to make a closing\Nstatement before we wrap up.
Dialogue: 0,3:22:55.50,3:22:58.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I see I'll save councilor Arroyo\Nfor right before we close,
Dialogue: 0,3:22:58.86,3:23:00.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,councilor Annissa Essaibi-George.
Dialogue: 0,3:23:00.82,3:23:02.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you madam chair at this point
Dialogue: 0,3:23:02.96,3:23:04.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thank you to you and council Arroyo
Dialogue: 0,3:23:04.92,3:23:06.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for bringing this before the council.
Dialogue: 0,3:23:06.80,3:23:11.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I've really appreciated\Neveryone's testimony today
Dialogue: 0,3:23:11.35,3:23:13.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in both hearings and sort of the,
Dialogue: 0,3:23:13.13,3:23:15.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,certainly a very direct correlation
Dialogue: 0,3:23:15.66,3:23:17.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,between some of the testimony today,
Dialogue: 0,3:23:17.21,3:23:19.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but a particular interest of mine
Dialogue: 0,3:23:19.48,3:23:21.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was the testimony of the young people
Dialogue: 0,3:23:21.57,3:23:23.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the testimony of the teachers,
Dialogue: 0,3:23:23.29,3:23:25.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in particular...
Dialogue: 0,3:23:25.27,3:23:27.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So just thank you, thank you both.
Dialogue: 0,3:23:27.86,3:23:32.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you councilor Wu for\Nstaying after the chair
Dialogue: 0,3:23:32.02,3:23:34.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had to leave to extend an opportunity
Dialogue: 0,3:23:34.01,3:23:36.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this continued testimony.
Dialogue: 0,3:23:36.03,3:23:40.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It was certainly important testimony,
Dialogue: 0,3:23:40.35,3:23:43.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but just the fact that everyone stayed on
Dialogue: 0,3:23:43.73,3:23:45.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as long as they did to\Noffer that testimony,
Dialogue: 0,3:23:45.97,3:23:48.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think is really important to recognize,
Dialogue: 0,3:23:48.38,3:23:50.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to be grateful for that engagement.
Dialogue: 0,3:23:50.85,3:23:53.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And thank you to you and\Nthank you to the maker.
Dialogue: 0,3:23:53.12,3:23:54.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you councilor
Dialogue: 0,3:23:54.42,3:23:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and final closing words from\Nmy co-sponsor councilor Arroyo.
Dialogue: 0,3:23:59.89,3:24:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Just a sincere thank you to our panelists.
Dialogue: 0,3:24:03.25,3:24:04.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think many of them are off now,
Dialogue: 0,3:24:04.68,3:24:07.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but thank you so much to them
Dialogue: 0,3:24:07.21,3:24:08.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and everybody who gave testimony,
Dialogue: 0,3:24:08.99,3:24:11.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much of that was deeply moving.
Dialogue: 0,3:24:11.61,3:24:13.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Certainly Angel was a highlight.
Dialogue: 0,3:24:13.17,3:24:14.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you Angel,
Dialogue: 0,3:24:14.63,3:24:17.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and anybody who can get\Nthat message to Angel,
Dialogue: 0,3:24:17.45,3:24:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I'm not sure if it's bedtime.
Dialogue: 0,3:24:20.10,3:24:22.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you so much for raising your voices
Dialogue: 0,3:24:22.100,3:24:25.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and really being focused\Nat a real municipal level.
Dialogue: 0,3:24:25.71,3:24:28.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what we've always asked for.
Dialogue: 0,3:24:28.05,3:24:30.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This is what I grew up about Angel's age,
Dialogue: 0,3:24:30.90,3:24:32.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,watching these meetings
Dialogue: 0,3:24:32.18,3:24:34.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and having folks basically beg
Dialogue: 0,3:24:34.82,3:24:38.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for this kind of interaction\Nfrom our communities.
Dialogue: 0,3:24:38.09,3:24:39.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I'm just deeply grateful
Dialogue: 0,3:24:39.81,3:24:43.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that whatever brought\Nyou here specifically,
Dialogue: 0,3:24:43.03,3:24:44.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hope you stay engaged.
Dialogue: 0,3:24:44.36,3:24:46.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I hope you bring this\Nenergy to other issues
Dialogue: 0,3:24:46.69,3:24:50.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that really affect our\Ncommunities on a daily basis
Dialogue: 0,3:24:50.01,3:24:51.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it really makes change.
Dialogue: 0,3:24:51.53,3:24:53.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,It really changes things.
Dialogue: 0,3:24:53.43,3:24:56.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so thank you so much to\Neverybody who took part in this,
Dialogue: 0,3:24:56.49,3:24:59.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you to all the\Nadvocates as a part of this.
Dialogue: 0,3:24:59.08,3:25:01.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you councilor Wu for making sure
Dialogue: 0,3:25:02.01,3:25:03.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there was a chair here
Dialogue: 0,3:25:03.77,3:25:06.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to councilor Edwards first\Nrunning it so well earlier.
Dialogue: 0,3:25:06.55,3:25:07.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,But thank you to you for ensuring
Dialogue: 0,3:25:07.62,3:25:09.67,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we can continue to\Nhear public testimony
Dialogue: 0,3:25:09.67,3:25:11.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because it really is valuable.
Dialogue: 0,3:25:11.74,3:25:13.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So with that, I thought\Nthat was all very valuable.
Dialogue: 0,3:25:13.92,3:25:15.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also thank you to the commissioner
Dialogue: 0,3:25:15.05,3:25:16.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for taking the time to be here
Dialogue: 0,3:25:16.40,3:25:19.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and to really endorse this idea.
Dialogue: 0,3:25:19.77,3:25:20.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought that was fantastic.
Dialogue: 0,3:25:20.83,3:25:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So thank you.
Dialogue: 0,3:25:23.35,3:25:26.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you, this is a great, great hearing.
Dialogue: 0,3:25:26.62,3:25:28.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think we all learned so much
Dialogue: 0,3:25:28.26,3:25:31.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I wanna echo the\Nthanks to the commissioner,
Dialogue: 0,3:25:31.46,3:25:33.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the community members who\Ngave feedback along the way
Dialogue: 0,3:25:33.84,3:25:37.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and over this evening, my\Ncolleagues, the commissioner,
Dialogue: 0,3:25:37.37,3:25:39.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and of course, central staff,
Dialogue: 0,3:25:39.44,3:25:43.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or for making sure all of it\Nwent off very, very smoothly.
Dialogue: 0,3:25:43.19,3:25:45.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So we'll circle back up\Nwith the committee chair
Dialogue: 0,3:25:45.39,3:25:49.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and figure out next steps,\Nbut hoping for swift passage.
Dialogue: 0,3:25:49.27,3:25:51.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And I'm very grateful again,
Dialogue: 0,3:25:51.36,3:25:54.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that we have an opportunity\Nin Boston to take action.
Dialogue: 0,3:25:54.29,3:25:58.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So this will conclude our\Nhearing on docket number 0683,
Dialogue: 0,3:25:58.35,3:26:01.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,on an ordinance banning\Nfacial recognition technology
Dialogue: 0,3:26:01.22,3:26:02.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in Boston.
Dialogue: 0,3:26:02.09,3:26:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This hearing is adjourned.
Dialogue: 0,3:26:04.12,3:26:05.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,[gravel strikes]
Dialogue: 0,3:26:05.12,3:26:06.87,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Bye, see you.\NBye.