WEBVTT 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:20.480 GABRIEL OROZCO: I like to work here. 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:21.711 I like to walk. 00:00:24.673 --> 00:00:32.080 Wakes me up. Just a few blocks of  walking can happen many things. 00:00:32.080 --> 00:00:36.638 And I like to observe these  things, and to enjoy them. 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:43.920 The camera is an instrument  that I use to, as a way of, 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:46.690 as an excuse to look at these things. 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:52.952 So the camera is a way of awareness. 00:00:57.760 --> 00:00:58.840 Even when I was a kid, 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:03.280 I remember the streets that I walked in Mexico, 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:05.680 going from my house to school. 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:08.280 I can remember all the puddles in between, 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:10.810 and all the accidents in the sidewalk. 00:01:11.903 --> 00:01:14.602 I always liked this, to look at this. 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:22.887 I don’t have a studio, so I don’t  have a specific place of production. 00:01:24.320 --> 00:01:27.480 I found that sometimes the  studio’s an isolated place, 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:29.920 an artificial place, like a bubble. 00:01:30.960 --> 00:01:35.119 That I’m not so interested because  I think it gets out of reality. 00:01:37.960 --> 00:01:39.310 What happen when you don’t have a studio 00:01:39.310 --> 00:01:42.320 is that you have to be confronted  with reality all the time. 00:01:42.320 --> 00:01:43.360 You have to be in the street, 00:01:43.360 --> 00:01:44.240 you have to walk around, 00:01:44.240 --> 00:01:47.059 you have to be outdoors. 00:01:55.800 --> 00:01:59.840 I try to be intimate with everything I can. 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.280 To be intimate you have to open yourself 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:07.709 and you have to trust what is around you. 00:02:10.720 --> 00:02:14.840 And then you generate signs  of intimacy with these things. 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:21.099 And then all the other people can have  that same relationship with the world. 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:49.080 I don’t have a technique, I have  many different ways to work. 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:50.280 So when I finish something, 00:02:51.440 --> 00:02:53.120 I need to invent something else, 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.782 in a different medium, in a different place. 00:02:58.720 --> 00:03:01.840 This Citroen is not just  a car, it’s a special car, 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:06.039 and charged with significance  because it’s a cultural object. 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:11.719 But it’s not just an icon because it’s  also a machine that has a function. 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:15.532 And to remake it on it’s own logic, 00:03:16.600 --> 00:03:19.000 you are at the same time analyzing this icon 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:22.171 so that it becomes something active again. 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:28.360 I mean I did it with one assistant. 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:33.660 Cutting it together, we worked  for a month in a garage. 00:03:34.486 --> 00:03:36.400 It was quite intimate work, it was very nice. 00:03:37.760 --> 00:03:39.849 It was a lot of work. 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:45.133 I extracted the center and put it back together. 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:50.980 On one side, laterally, you  see it like a normal car 00:03:51.806 --> 00:03:55.471 and then when you walk around you  have the perspective distorted. 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:09.360 Here, I wrote something, which  will read something like, 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.850 "transport system beyond the vanishing point."" 00:04:14.040 --> 00:04:17.845 And then, also these are more  like, organic drawings, just loose. 00:04:21.414 --> 00:04:23.886 But the real drawing was in the car itself. 00:04:24.760 --> 00:04:28.482 Because you have to make the line very  precise and that took like a week. 00:04:34.880 --> 00:04:36.739 You can keep cutting it. 00:04:37.200 --> 00:04:38.402 You can do another cut and another cut 00:04:39.130 --> 00:04:43.257 and another cut until infinite  and you will never finish. 00:04:48.502 --> 00:04:50.760 MARIA GUTIERREZ DE OROZCO: He had  to come to the supermarket with me 00:04:50.760 --> 00:04:54.000 to help carry stuff back, but of course there, 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:55.600 he started playing with the food, 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:59.640 because he was bored about me reading  all the labels and the ingredients. 00:05:00.200 --> 00:05:04.320 He realized what an ordered,  perfect world the supermarket is, 00:05:04.320 --> 00:05:06.120 and he realized the minute you put it back 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:10.560 and it’s not it’s place there’s  this chaos that generates just from 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:14.020 putting something that’s not right and you  feel immediately that something is wrong. 00:05:14.020 --> 00:05:16.920 And that’s when he brought the  potatoes with the notebooks 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:21.053 and he put the cat food with the watermelon. 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:26.315 It’s actually all very banal with him, there's little mystery 00:05:26.315 --> 00:05:27.560 It’s all very basic. 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:37.480 It’s just this incredible curiousity that he takes for granted that suddenly he gets fascinated. 00:05:52.669 --> 00:05:54.360 GABRIEL OROZCO: What I like about games is that 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:56.110 a game is a thing on it’s own. 00:05:57.640 --> 00:06:02.634 So you have a little world in  this board or in this table, 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:09.280 designed to perfection so  you can play in a landscape 00:06:09.280 --> 00:06:10.840 and when it is a good game, 00:06:10.840 --> 00:06:18.651 it’s so passionate that you can really  get into this world and just live in it. 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:21.160 When you have normal ping pong game 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:26.000 you have a net which is a  non space between two spaces. 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:31.200 But instead of two people playing you  have four people playing in four tables, 00:06:31.200 --> 00:06:34.000 you open that space so the net is open. 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:36.160 And what you have there is a new space. 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:38.080 And that is the space I am interested in, 00:06:38.080 --> 00:06:39.432 in the in- between space. 00:06:40.840 --> 00:06:43.600 Because it’s a new space I  could do anything I wanted. 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:45.220 I decided to make a pond. 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:49.569 I will say it’s just an arbitrary decision, 00:06:50.200 --> 00:06:55.320 but then if you want to connect  that with the pond in Indian culture 00:06:55.320 --> 00:06:59.040 and relate it with the lotus flower  and the beginning of the universe 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:03.463 and the pond as the center of the universe, 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:05.792 you can. 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:11.164 One day I saw the Foucault Pendulum, 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:18.360 and as you know it’s the way that  was proved that the earth moves. 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:21.280 Because you have this pendulum  hanging from very high 00:07:21.280 --> 00:07:26.128 which is constantly moving  because the earth is rotating. 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:35.372 Then I decided, ‘What happens if one of  the balls in the billiard is a pendulum?’ 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:40.640 and then also instead of  having a rectangular table, 00:07:40.640 --> 00:07:44.640 I decided to have an elliptical  table or an oval table. 00:07:44.640 --> 00:07:49.439 So then we will play more  closer to laws of the universe. 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:53.400 In billiards, because it’s rectangular, 00:07:53.400 --> 00:07:57.520 you can calculate how the ball is going to bounce. 00:07:57.520 --> 00:08:01.320 But in this case when the ball  starts to touch this oval, 00:08:01.320 --> 00:08:03.200 it just starts to bounce around, around, 00:08:03.200 --> 00:08:04.814 and then just gets lost totally. 00:08:05.640 --> 00:08:09.120 Anyway it’s a totally different game and, and, 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:11.160 and it’s more complex in many ways. 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:14.440 It’s also much more boring  than a normal billiard game, 00:08:14.440 --> 00:08:18.280 but uh, and also I didn’t put any rules except 00:08:18.280 --> 00:08:21.480 the basic rules of hitting  two balls with your own ball. 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:26.834 And people play it. I play it sometimes. And the rules, they have to be invented. 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.000 I tried to use the tools that everyone can use. 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:52.200 I don’t want to be a specialist. 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.080 A technique, that is very difficult. 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:56.842 I prefer to be a beginner. 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:02.177 I like to learn how to fix cars  and then I did the Citroen. 00:09:02.760 --> 00:09:04.543 I mean, I’m not an expert in cars. 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:08.200 Even I think sometimes when I do, like ceramics, 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:11.040 it’s like a hobby for me, I think. 00:09:11.040 --> 00:09:14.440 It’s more like well I like ceramics, it’s nice, 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:18.326 I want to learn a little bit. It’s  exactly how you define a hobby. 00:09:26.640 --> 00:09:28.160 Normally when you do potteries 00:09:28.160 --> 00:09:31.200 you are very much aware of  this empty center space. 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:36.333 In this case I was not so interested  in the center but as a mask. 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:42.320 For that reason I need a clay that was special. 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:45.760 And this workshop used to  be a brick factory before; 00:09:45.760 --> 00:09:51.229 they have these machines to  produce clay that I need very fast. 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:56.240 So in one day you can do a whole amount of hours 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:00.680 almost like a worker doing a mechanical thing, 00:10:00.680 --> 00:10:02.617 and for me that was important. 00:10:26.280 --> 00:10:30.000 The thinking process is related  with the ball in many ways. 00:10:31.520 --> 00:10:37.422 To be moving in a train or  to be looking at the ocean. 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:45.960 To be working with my hands  with the clay and very physical. 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:50.160 All generates a stimulus in  the brain and you are thinking. 00:10:50.597 --> 00:10:54.440 But the connection between  the brain and the breathing 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:59.320 and the sweating and the time that you spend 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:03.800 and how you slow down thinking  or you accelerate thinking— 00:11:03.800 --> 00:11:07.336 you just generate the  different aspects of thinking. 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:14.120 So when I feel that it should be  ready is a quite subjective thing. 00:11:14.760 --> 00:11:19.615 It’s just that the shape should  represent what just happened before. 00:11:29.400 --> 00:11:33.440 Pottery’s a very complex  instrument in human history. 00:11:34.290 --> 00:11:36.080 It can be related to Mexico if you want, 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:37.720 but it can be related with Greece, 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:41.813 it can be related with everybody in the world 00:11:42.760 --> 00:11:47.536 because pottery is just part of history. 00:12:14.760 --> 00:12:18.800 The division between work and  everyday life is very strong. 00:12:18.800 --> 00:12:20.132 In Mexico it’s the same. 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:29.240 And that space in between work  and life is the space that is 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:31.146 very hard to negotiate for everybody. 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:36.800 Leisure time or pleasure time or knowledge time 00:12:36.800 --> 00:12:41.943 or research time or, that space that is left over 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:44.935 because the important thing is to work, 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.040 and then to sustain your life or something. 00:12:48.040 --> 00:12:52.349 But then all the spaces in between are a bit lost. 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:59.120 So every citizen has to fight for those spaces. 00:13:04.640 --> 00:13:07.240 When you live and work in the same place, 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.009 everything is part of the work. 00:13:09.640 --> 00:13:12.215 Every furniture is important, every little thing. 00:13:14.400 --> 00:13:16.489 Even the trash. 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:19.760 The contradiction that I have is that  when I say I don’t want to produce things, 00:14:19.760 --> 00:14:26.120 but at the same time there is this necessity  of producing signs of communication, 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:28.440 a kind of mirror of what I’m doing. 00:14:31.305 --> 00:14:37.501 And maybe it’s an obsession of building  bridges of communication with other people.