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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

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Monte Sahaja
25th December 2014

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Christ Consciousness
(with subtitles)

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I'm not good on days like that,
yesterday or day before yesterday,

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but I feel it was yesterday, in the morning,

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well, even from the night,

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I was totally filled with some deep, deep fire
to share something.

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It usually starts like that,
I don't know what I want to talk about.

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Just it comes first
with a tremendous depth of a feeling.

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And it's full,
it was full, full, full love and full power,

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full Holy Spirit Presence, full like that.

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It was like 3 o'clock in the morning,

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[laughter]

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and there's nobody around.

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[Mooji] So, I started having Satsang with emptiness,
in the emptiness.

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I just had to speak it out, speak it out,

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and I had this feeling
that I was speaking to people all over the world.

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I don't know, it was just like that.
Sometimes these things come,

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and to the mind they are not convenient at all.

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This should be really about lunchtime,

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maybe this would be
a really good message for Christmas.

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But 3 o'clock in the morning and it was like that.

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And it was so totally full, full,

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that even after I fell off to sleep;

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this heat, this beautiful heat

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still continued shimmering, shimmering, shimmering,

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and it spilt out a little bit in the daytime.

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I felt, Maybe I have to talk about something,

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and I spoke a few words 
that came out of that space, for a little bit.

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And then today it was a feeling,

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maybe I would talk a little bit about Jesus.

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But I thought, Maybe, should I read something 
from the Bible?

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I went and looked and I couldn't find anything,

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it was just not coming to ...

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Nothing was coming like that.

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So, I felt that I couldn't tell you about Jesus.

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I can't tell you 'about' Jesus.

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But I feel I could introduce you to Jesus
inside your own heart!

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Maybe something like that.

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Because to tell you 'about' something,

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it feels like it's not here.

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Like we'll talk about someone who is not here.

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But when you are here, I don't talk about you.

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I must talk with you.

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But because, actually,
I don't perceive Jesus as other,

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or you may say, the Christ Consciuosness.

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So, how to speak 'about' this?

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I feel the way in which we must speak
about Lord Krishna

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or Ramana, or Papaji, or Lord Buddha, 
or Lord Christ

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is only by way of direct experience,
not just talking about.

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Because 'about' turns in the mind 
and it trips on it.

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How can I introduce you,

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how can we be introduced to Christ Consciousness?

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If it is outside of us, 
if it is other than what we are,

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then you're going to have 
to do something extraordinary to reach it.

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You have to be something other 
than what you are to reach it also.

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And you've heard
that you can only meet God inside your heart.

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You can only read, understand or feel
or experience the Buddha.

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To read about Buddha, 
it gives you a sense of the life.

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Your mind will fill in the rest,
imagination is always needed.

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But how can you meet the Lord of the Heart
without imagination?

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So the only way I know is to not be preoccupied

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with anything else for a moment.

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Or to leave everything else,
whatever you may know as else.

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And what do we call else?

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Meaning something that you can perceive
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whether it is a thought, or an object, 
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actual, real, or whatever, the senses,

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anything that you can perceive
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will for a while be other.

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Later we can come to see if other is other.

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So, let's leave all those things aside 
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because they depend upon your being here first
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to perceive their presence and their absence.

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So, whatever perceives them, must outlast them,

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meaning that it is not carried away by them.

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Like a space in which they appear and disappear

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but the space does not go.

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If we see someone like Christ
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then you'll want to see Him as another person.

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Then you can say, 'Yes',

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and that may be a tremendous experience

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to say, Oh my God, Ramana or Jesus

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appeared to me yesterday and we talked

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and I was completely filled
with just the most amazing feelings,

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and they are still here after the dream has ended,

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it's like, He is in me. Or something like that.

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That would be a very powerful encounter.

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But what if Jesus is even nearer than intimacy?

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What if He is gapless,

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meaning that there's no separation?

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Then how would you know?

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If you can see, either you see everything

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as only sensations in consciousness,

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ideas in consciousness,
phenomenon coming and going,

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and you come to a total understanding

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that the perceiver of them
and they are not the same,

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especially the perceiver of all of that,

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the world of thought and time and whatever.

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That without you, the perceiver, they are not,

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so you are primary in this.

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So whatever is seemingly is secondary,

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that comes after you, you leave it.

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And we can do it now.

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Don't hold onto any thought,
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anything that you may feel attached to even.

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Even our idea of God, or idea of Christ

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or the Buddha or scriptures,

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hold onto nothing at all,
because they come and go.

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Not even by your will, they come and go.

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But you are the witness, 
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of their coming and going.

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Even the idea about yourself comes and goes

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What is that that does not come and go?

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Which requires no effort to be?

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Requires no imagination.

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Because imagination is also phenomenal.

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Then leaving aside all notions of other,
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this is the space 
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the Buddha appears,
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the Christ nature arises in this.

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Not the person only.

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The person comes through the mind,

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but the essence arises here, in this space.

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Even your own sense of Self arises here

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and is perceived only in the mind.

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But the essence is here, in this essential place.

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This is your Christ space.

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It is an unshared space.

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There is not two.
To meet, there must be two.

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Here, there is not two.

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And even, there is not one.

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It does not come and go.

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It has no form.

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Only forms come and go.

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So, rather than reading something about Jesus,

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or about the Prophet Mohammed,

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or about Guru Nanak, or Lord Shiva,
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Anandamayi Ma, or Mahavira or like this,

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let's be in this place,

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in which even the perceiving 
of them arises, in this space.

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There is no story here.
There is no religion here.

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There is no philosphy here.

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There are no persons here.

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There is no time here.

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There is neither day, nor night here.

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There is neither you, nor me here.

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There is neither disciple, nor master here.

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There is neither heaven, nor hell here.

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And yet it is not a sterile space.

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It is not dead, it is not inert.

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[silence]

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Imagination is not required.

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No vehicles are required,

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because there is no distance to cover.

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It's neither hot, nor cold.

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It's neither in, nor out.

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It's neither above, nor below.

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It's not in the four directions.

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[silence]

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Your own Heart is its temple, you can say.

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Who are you here?

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Only here you cannot argue.

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There are no opinions here.

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There is nothing to work out.

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There is nothing to heal.

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Either this is the most absurd idea,

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or it's the most natural.

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Either this is the most strange idea,

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or it is the most natural.

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For nothing needs to be done.

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Even to discover this,

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who or what makes this discovery even?

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And can the discoverer live there?

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As what?

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[long silence]

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It remains unaffected 
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No one possesses it.

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No one can keep it a secret.

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It cannot be kept. It cannot be lost.

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It cannot be remembered or forgotten.

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All these are notions in the mind.

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Mind itself is a power 
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exists inside the space of the Self,

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dissolves inside the space of the Self,

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and nothing happens to the Self.

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Do you need to imagine this?

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Can you tell a story about this?

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Is there anything such as

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AD or DC or BC, or anything like this?

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Is there a period like before Christ
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Is there history there?

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And where is there? How far is there?

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Is it outside of our experience?
Is it outside of our being?

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Who are we?

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Are we apart from this?

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So, I've given you some clues.

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It's not anything you can think of.

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You cannot reach it by imagination.

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You cannot find it by being super-good.

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You cannot lose it by being super-bad.

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You cannot keep it by any practice.

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You cannot be you there.

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Not the you that is of this world.

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When shall we be there?

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When is the best time? When is a good time?

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[silence]

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And is it 'there'?

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Or is it 'here', and never there?

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Does it have these boundaries?

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[silence]

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If you want to meet Christ,

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the Christ of history,

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the Buddha of history,

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then you must either use your imagination,

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they may appear in some vision,

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or through imagination.

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But if you want to meet them as they truly are,

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this you can do now.

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[long silence]

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I could'nt find ...

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I could not find a way of talking about Jesus.

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I looked through the most easily readable Bible
I could find,

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but I couldn't find the inspiration
to talk about Jesus.

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I couldn't find a story
that would be fitting tonight,

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of all the many stories;
some of them I've told you.

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And I cannot prepare.

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So, on the way down here we were trying to sketch,

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even this I didn't know anything about

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what anything was going to be today,

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except there seemed
there's going to be something here,

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what the programme was going to be,

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that maybe we'll have a few carols
and then I'll talk about Jesus.

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And I thought, Oh Jesus. I can't.
[laughter]

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It's not coming like that today.

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To talk about Jesus is to talk about Jesus.

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But who wants to meet?

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Who wants to know? Who wants to be?

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Who will take that risk?

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Who has that love? Who has that surrender?

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Who has that burning, that urge?

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Who wants to discover that place
where Jesus comes from,

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where the saints and all beings come from?

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Can imagination take you there?

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Is it far, far away? Beyond the skies?

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Far, far into some distant galaxy?

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Either it's far, far, far, far, far away,

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or it's no distance.

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You choose.

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If we believe in personhood

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then you'll believe very much
in the sense of separation,

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and you will believe in time and effort,

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and these have their place also.

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As long as we conceive of ourselves as a person,

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there will be things to be done and undone,

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something to reach, something to leave,

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something to fix, something to change,

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something to become.

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It's not easy to shake these off,

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because these are seeds that sprout very easily

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in the human consciousness.

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Where is this place

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that Jesus returned to,

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the Buddha returned to?

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Is it a physical place?

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If it's a physical place,
there will be a physical distance.

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If it's a non-physical place,

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what kind of distance will there be?

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If it's a conceptual place,

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there'll be some conceptual distance.

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But if it's beyond the mind, if it's beyond time

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and change and distance and form,

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where is it then?

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Is there anything in you like that?

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Is there any place in you which is beyond time

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and change and distance and form?

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Are we now in the domain of imagination?

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Or are you still here?

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[silence]

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I don't want to talk to you about Jesus.

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I don't want to talk to you about God.

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I don't want to talk about Truth.

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I don't want to talk about Love.

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It's been enough of that.

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It's time to go beyond talk.

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[long silence]

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Do you have to wait until you are good enough?

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Is it possible to escape the domain
of good and bad,

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of you and me?

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Does such a place exist?

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All of us suffer from our own mind,

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our own projections, our own identities.

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It is this that gives us the sense of separation,
of distance.

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[silence]

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So tonight, 
I don't want to talk to you about anything.

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[silence]

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If we can find a way where there is no distance

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to allow 'you' and 'me',

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then what is there to talk about?

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What keeps you 'you', and me 'me'?

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Who made this law?

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Who said it is true?

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[long silence]

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OK. Om Namah Shivaya Om.

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[voices in sangha] Thank you, Mooji.

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