1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,845 You know, I only have a few years left in life, maybe twenty years; fifteen maybe. 2 00:00:04,845 --> 00:00:07,714 So I thought about what's the most important thing that I could do 3 00:00:07,714 --> 00:00:13,500 in the time that I have here. And, uh, taking care of my grandkids, 4 00:00:13,500 --> 00:00:17,310 and making sure that they have a place to enjoy: that they have streams to enjoy; 5 00:00:17,310 --> 00:00:20,280 that they have wildlife to enjoy. 6 00:00:20,286 --> 00:00:23,106 That's, probably, one of the most important things I can do. 7 00:00:29,716 --> 00:00:34,309 Nestlé is drawing water from a spring or a well, 8 00:00:34,309 --> 00:00:37,079 within the National forests, within public lands that are owned 9 00:00:37,079 --> 00:00:38,979 by the people of the United States. 10 00:00:38,979 --> 00:00:41,709 It's drawing that water and then it's diverting it, in a pipe, 11 00:00:41,709 --> 00:00:44,109 down several miles outside of the forest. 12 00:00:44,239 --> 00:00:51,509 Nestlé has an expired special use permit, issued 1978 that expired in 1988. 13 00:00:51,509 --> 00:00:55,833 Uh, that permit alone allowed them occupy National forest land, with the 14 00:00:55,833 --> 00:01:00,657 infrastructure necessary to remove water. And they take anywhere from 15 00:01:00,657 --> 00:01:05,445 50 to 150 million gallons a year, depending on certain conditions. 16 00:01:05,886 --> 00:01:10,596 The Forest Service's maybe is getting a pittance of what this water's worth. 17 00:01:10,596 --> 00:01:14,621 We're subsidising the business that depletes that public land resource, 18 00:01:14,621 --> 00:01:18,860 and that then creates cost on down the line in its lifecycle, 19 00:01:18,860 --> 00:01:21,270 as well in the waste management cost. 20 00:01:21,510 --> 00:01:25,530 The drought drags on but the watershed, you know, grows drier. 21 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:31,815 Why is a foreign corporation like Nestlé being allowed to withdraw millions 22 00:01:31,815 --> 00:01:36,884 and millions of gallons out of our watershed, making a huge, huge profit? 23 00:01:37,316 --> 00:01:43,132 (interviewer) Do you have any intention of ceasing bottling operations in California? 24 00:01:43,489 --> 00:01:48,282 (Tim Brown) Uh, absolutely not, uh, in fact, um, if I could increase it, I would. 25 00:01:48,479 --> 00:01:50,594 We feel good about what we're doing. 26 00:01:50,834 --> 00:01:56,341 Strawberry Creek is just barely hanging on because there's so much water removed. 27 00:01:56,651 --> 00:01:58,917 And then when we saw the drought that's currently going on, 28 00:01:58,917 --> 00:02:01,351 that's the worst drought in recorded history here. 29 00:02:01,917 --> 00:02:07,487 Um, so all of that together made me really worry about Strawberry Creek, 30 00:02:07,487 --> 00:02:11,257 I thought that there's a good chance we could completely dry Strawberry Creek up. 31 00:02:11,487 --> 00:02:15,979 Ah, the Strawberry drainage is, uh, is a critical drainage for, uh, 32 00:02:15,979 --> 00:02:20,734 our plant and animal communities, and it becomes more and more critical every year. 33 00:02:20,734 --> 00:02:25,258 Because as the urban population in Southern California grows, uh, 34 00:02:25,258 --> 00:02:29,205 the National forests down in Southern California are becoming more and more 35 00:02:29,205 --> 00:02:33,205 isolated islands, of plant and animal communities. 36 00:02:33,268 --> 00:02:38,457 This is a dry habitat that means that those riparian areas, those areas that are wet, 37 00:02:38,457 --> 00:02:41,889 are essential. Especially in dry years, like this year, to wildlife. 38 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:47,283 And it's at 0.18 now, 0.18 cubic feet per second, which is nothing, 39 00:02:47,283 --> 00:02:48,953 I mean, it's almost no water. 40 00:02:48,953 --> 00:02:52,583 Species that have lived there, over eons of time, could be lost; 41 00:02:52,583 --> 00:02:54,643 it's just a, it's a terrible thing. 42 00:02:55,337 --> 00:02:59,459 The Forest Service hasn't looked at this in a number of years and so they can't say 43 00:02:59,459 --> 00:03:02,889 "yes we're protecting those public resources, yes we're making sure 44 00:03:02,889 --> 00:03:05,829 that there's sufficient water for all the species, yes we're making sure, 45 00:03:05,829 --> 00:03:09,179 that, we're holding this in trust for the people of the United States, 46 00:03:09,179 --> 00:03:12,799 we're using it in a sustainable way." And they're obligated by law 47 00:03:12,799 --> 00:03:16,129 to use the resources on the National forest in a sustainable way. 48 00:03:16,225 --> 00:03:21,849 A year ago, I started begging the Forest Service and Nestlé to start meeting 49 00:03:21,849 --> 00:03:26,063 together to start talking about Strawberry Creek, to work together on their permit 50 00:03:26,063 --> 00:03:30,903 and on the, uh, and on protecting the National forests, and I was begging 51 00:03:30,903 --> 00:03:34,603 them to do that, and, um, and still nothing's happened; 52 00:03:34,603 --> 00:03:36,563 there's no meetings, there's just talk. 53 00:03:36,563 --> 00:03:40,033 Everybody in California is effected by the drought, but not Nestlé, 54 00:03:40,033 --> 00:03:44,033 or any other water bottling company. I mean, this is our water! 55 00:03:44,033 --> 00:03:48,033 The water in the, in those mountains belong to every California(n), 56 00:03:48,033 --> 00:03:49,633 and every tax payer in America. 57 00:03:49,751 --> 00:03:55,617 Personally, I invested 40+ years of my life being a professional forester. 58 00:03:56,137 --> 00:04:01,681 And I care a great deal that public land in our country is properly managed, 59 00:04:01,681 --> 00:04:07,696 especially, in a manner that makes sure that the goods and services it provides 60 00:04:07,696 --> 00:04:09,828 are there for future generations, 61 00:04:09,828 --> 00:04:12,394 and that's not how it's being managed right now.