WEBVTT 00:00:09.614 --> 00:00:13.802 * I'm Jesus Rejon Aguilar, AKA el Mamito. 00:00:13.802 --> 00:00:18.225 - What is your date of birth, where were you born and how old are you? 00:00:18.225 --> 00:00:25.238 * 9th of June 1976, I'm 35, I was born in Campeche. 00:00:25.238 --> 00:00:27.198 - What is your profession? 00:00:27.198 --> 00:00:28.747 * I'm a drug trafficker 00:00:28.747 --> 00:00:30.358 - Which cartel? 00:00:30.358 --> 00:00:32.431 * The Zetas cartel. 00:00:32.431 --> 00:00:36.929 - How did you join this organization and when? 00:00:36.929 --> 00:00:56.027 * After I deserted from the army in 1999 I went to Reynosa and there I met Decena, 'Z-1'. 00:00:56.227 --> 00:00:58.727 - Who founded the Zetas? 00:00:58.742 --> 00:01:03.004 * It was founded by Osiel with Z-1's help. 00:01:03.004 --> 00:01:08.227 - At the time of its founding how many were you? 00:01:08.489 --> 00:01:17.704 * Initially we were 7, then 7 more joined so that made the 14 oldest members. 00:01:18.073 --> 00:01:19.796 - So you're a founding member? 00:01:19.796 --> 00:01:20.819 * Yes. 00:01:20.819 --> 00:01:23.012 - What number did you have? 00:01:23.012 --> 00:01:24.472 * I'm Z-7. 00:01:24.472 --> 00:01:28.283 - What happened when Osiel was captured? 00:01:28.283 --> 00:01:40.301 * When Osiel was captured Costilla took command. Jorge Costilla Sanchez became the leader. 00:01:40.301 --> 00:01:48.158 - How did the split between the Zetas and the Gulf cartel happen? 00:01:48.158 --> 00:01:58.943 * They (Gulf Cartel) allied themselves with the Familia Michoacana, with the Sinaloa Cartel, and with others. 00:01:58.943 --> 00:02:07.224 * They made an alliance. And when the split happens they start killing people and they were already organized. 00:02:07.224 --> 00:02:14.722 That's when the groups separated. Two main groups were formed, the Gulf Cartel (and allies) and the Zetas. 00:02:15.368 --> 00:02:18.883 - And then comes the split between the Gulf Cartel and the Zetas? 00:02:19.022 --> 00:02:22.612 * Yes, that was the split. 00:02:22.997 --> 00:02:26.437 - So you're fighting against everyone? 00:02:26.514 --> 00:02:39.425 * The Gulf Cartel made an alliance so we're fighting against el Chapo (Sinaloa Cartel) el Mayo, with La Familia Michoacana, they have an alliance and they're attacking us. 00:02:39.425 --> 00:02:48.948 - In Michoacan, did El Chango Mendez go to Aguascalientes to talk to the Zetas? Looking for protection from you? 00:02:48.948 --> 00:02:51.028 *He wanted to talk. 00:02:51.028 --> 00:02:52.559 - Why? 00:02:52.559 --> 00:02:56.595 * Because he'd lost many people and wanted help. 00:02:56.595 --> 00:02:58.877 - Was that going to be possible? 00:02:58.877 --> 00:03:11.807 *Well, my point of view is that he who betrays once betrays twice. I didn't think it was convenient but those were my thoughts, I don't know what the rest thought. 00:03:11.961 --> 00:03:16.508 - What about La Tuta (Familia Cartel)? What is the relation between La Tuta and the Zetas? 00:03:16.508 --> 00:03:21.117 * There is none, they're with the Gulf Cartel. 00:03:21.117 --> 00:03:30.219 - That relation between La Tuta, or the Familia or the Knight's Templar, with the Gulf Cartel, does that make La Tuta your enemy? 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:36.616 * Yes because they are killing our people. 00:03:39.372 --> 00:03:49.113 - That relationship between the Familia and Arturo Beltran, after Beltran falls, then El Chayo, then 00:03:49.113 --> 00:03:54.312 El Chango. How do you see Michoacan? 00:03:55.150 --> 00:04:07.795 * In Michoacan everything has come crashing down because an agreement could never be found with them. 00:04:08.166 --> 00:04:27.506 Before Beltran fell there was a truce and they broke it. They started robbing. The truce was broken. And they sought refuge with Valencia. 00:04:28.172 --> 00:04:31.799 - Did everyone start working on their own? 00:04:31.799 --> 00:04:37.533 * No, the war started. The war started and we had to go our own way. 00:04:37.858 --> 00:04:40.541 - In what way did you start to work? 00:04:40.541 --> 00:04:51.323 * From before we had the ability to bring in drugs. 00:04:51.846 --> 00:04:57.896 - From where did you obtain those drugs? Where you working with Colombian cartels? 00:04:58.288 --> 00:05:08.253 * No, that was handled by someone else, but we've always brought drugs from Guatemala, Colombians are not to be trusted. 00:05:08.885 --> 00:05:11.216 - So you bring it from somewhere else? 00:05:11.216 --> 00:05:19.456 * It comes from Guatemala. It gets to Guatemala from Colombia, or Panama or somewhere else. We buy it from Guatemala. 00:05:19.771 --> 00:05:21.796 - And weapons? 00:05:21.796 --> 00:05:25.128 * We get them from the US. All our weaponry comes from the US. 00:05:25.128 --> 00:05:26.536 - How are they brought here? 00:05:26.536 --> 00:05:31.549 * Before they were brought across the bridge but now they're smuggled across the river. 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:36.448 - You were telling me about the weapons, who do you buy them from? 00:05:36.972 --> 00:05:49.054 * We buy them from the US. There was a time when the middlemen we worked with even said that the US government was selling to them. 00:05:49.646 --> 00:05:55.885 - What do you know about the current situation? Who are the ones who sell you guns? 00:05:56.502 --> 00:06:11.757 * Well, it's been getting harder to get weaponry, but we still manage.The Gulf Cartel has an easier time getting guns. 00:06:11.757 --> 00:06:13.765 - How come? 00:06:13.872 --> 00:06:32.040 *We don't know why. We only know it's hard to bring guns and they are bringing in lots of guns. One deduces that they have a deal with the government. We don't know. 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:34.402 - How frequently? 00:06:34.402 --> 00:06:43.143 * Every opportunity is taken, it's sporadic, once a month, every 20 days. 00:06:43.143 --> 00:06:45.243 - And the drugs? 00:06:45.243 --> 00:07:00.223 * The drugs are handled by the accountants, it's a closed circle. They know how it's getting across I can't tell you 00:07:00.223 --> 00:07:07.759 if it's every month or every two months. With all these problems I'd think every 2, 3 months. 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:10.500 - How does that drug get into the US? 00:07:10.500 --> 00:07:17.734 * It's taken to Laredo but no, it's something only the accountants know. 00:07:17.734 --> 00:07:25.639 - In San Luis Potosí you'll remember the attack there against US ICE agents? 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:31.420 * Yes, it was an armoured caravan. They thought they were someone else and they attacked. 00:07:31.420 --> 00:07:34.337 - Tell me what's going on in Tamaulipas. 00:07:34.337 --> 00:07:43.596 * In Tamaulipas there is war because of the split between the cartels. We're waiting because there's a heavy government presence. 00:07:43.596 --> 00:07:53.417 - Tell me about the armoured cars, how were they made? How many did you have? 00:07:53.417 --> 00:07:56.177 * I had 3, maybe 5. 00:07:56.177 --> 00:07:58.925 - And these 5 you had, what type were they? 00:07:58.925 --> 00:08:02.343 -They were trucks, what they call "Monsters". 00:08:02.343 --> 00:08:05.673 - Where you expecting being caught? 00:08:05.673 --> 00:08:11.122 * One knows that sooner or later you're going to get caught. 00:08:11.122 --> 00:08:18.765 - Is there anyone you want to say you're sorry to? 00:08:18.765 --> 00:08:20.696 *What do you mean? 00:08:20.696 --> 00:08:25.568 - Yes, for your actions, or if you failed someone. Your sons, your family? 00:08:25.568 --> 00:08:34.648 * Oh, to my mother. Because of this I haven't seen her in 17 years. 00:08:34.648 --> 00:08:41.109 - How does it make you feel not having seen your mother for this long? 00:08:41.109 --> 00:08:49.062 * Well, it, it feels bad. It's cruel but, there's nothing I can do about it.