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Dialogue: 0,9:59:59.99,9:59:59.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,0:15\Nso\N0:16\Ntoday we want to talk to you about the role of technology in society\N0:22\Nin the longer arc have human history\N0:26\NTom would like to take it would like you all to take a couple things away from\N0:31\Nthis talk\N0:32\Nom the\N0:36\Ninteraction between a piece of technology into pieces and\N0:40\Nand society is rarely settled in\N0:43\Nyou know two or three years or ten years we're still as a society just barely\N0:48\Nlearning how to use\N0:49\Nemail I if you think even in the past five or 10 years\N0:53\Nthe way emails used in professional context has changed radically we don't\N0:57\Nreally know what it means yet\N0:58\Nam we think we have a reasonable understanding of how you use an\N1:04\Nauditorium\N1:05\Nwe figured that one out mostly are\N1:09\Nthe other thing we'd like to talk about here and we'd like you to take away from\N1:14\Nhere\N1:14\Nis that welke culture\N1:18\Nkind of grew up is an outsider culture\N1:21\Nthat changed on it's at the heart of politics in the heart of social\N1:25\Nmovements now\N1:26\Nbecause it's the hard how we communicate now geek culture and and hacker culture\N1:33\Nused to be relatively apolitical\N1:35\Nbut now every action that you take and every piece of code that you ride\N1:40\Nhas political effects now you may intend somebody's a fact you may not intend to\N1:45\Nmaster these are facts\N1:46\Nbut there there and we need to start thinking about and understanding these\N1:51\Nchanges\N1:51\Nand this is a change that's happened in our lifetimes so\N1:57\NQuinn is mostly a kind in coherent lenders\N2:03\Nanti-capitalist anarchism in California libertarianism\N2:07\Nin l.a is marxists in the quest presumably with blood on our hands\N2:11\Nbut says she likes me a lot she's promised me six minutes notice on the\N2:15\Npurge before it happens I get a head start\N2:17\NI'm despite the political party the stalk\N2:22\Nthis talk is not about our politics I it not about what\N2:26\NAllah or I want you to do it's about what we've learned from examining\N2:31\Nthe network a fact that we live with now on\N2:34\Nbecause fundamentally and many have you recognize this the fundamentally\N2:39\Nand architecture how the politics and it has a culture\N2:44\Nand while we were all kind of sitting around in\N2:48\Nour culture and Usenet in the nineties or wherever we got our start\N2:52\Nkinda being like ellis et outsiders\N2:55\Nthe world pivoted it changed and surrounded us and put us at the heart\N3:00\Nthese matters and so whatever you\N3:03\None to do politically what we're gonna be talking about\N3:08\Nis the framework of the politics that technology is creating\N3:11\Naround the world right now sOooo\N3:17\N10 the one other really\N3:20\Ninteresting structures in the world right now that we spend a lot of time\N3:23\Ndealing with our state's\N3:24\Nstates have a couple a very basic things that they require to be able to interact\N3:29\Nwith the world\N3:30\Nthey need to be able to see their territory and the people who live in\N3:35\Nthat territory\N3:36\Nif they're going to be able to interact with them and\N3:40\Nthis is this is simply a truth that applies to anything\N3:43\Nto any time where someone needs to interact with the thing\N3:46\Nif you can't perceive a thing you can't interact with it\N3:50\Nam this map here's the plan city of Brasilia\N3:53\Nwhich is the a city that was built\N3:56\Nto be legible to be understandable to the state the notion that a state should\N4:01\Nif nothing else even if it can't understand all the rest of its territory\N4:04\Nall over each other cities it should be able to understand the city\N4:08\Nfrom which it governs um of course\N4:12\NI don't know how many if you're familiar with the actual city of Brasilia\N4:16\Nbut it doesn't look much like what's indicated on that map\N4:20\Nreality has kind of come back in and gotten about a lot messier again\N4:25\Nso a lot of the time com the ability of a state\N4:29\Nto see its citizens and to see its train is actually a very very good thing\N4:34\Nthis is the snow map which founded modern epidemiology at a map of cholera\N4:39\Ndeaths and London\N4:40\Naround a particular while when they didn't understand\N4:44\Nthat com water and that the cholera was spread through water\N4:48\Narm this map\N4:51\Ntold us things about human disease transmission\N4:55\Nthat have saved at least tens of millions of lives\N5:00\Nand this is a former surveillance\N5:03\Nsometimes this is a bad thing this is a map that the city of Amsterdam prepared\N5:08\Nfrom their very complete census records\N5:11\Nup where all the Jews were in Amsterdam for the nazis\N5:18\Nduring the process as\N5:21\Nkind of the societal adjustments following the revolution in France\N5:25\Narm and this was actually wanted the demands leading up to the revolution\N5:28\Nfrom certain sectors the society\N5:30\Ncom the a revolutionary government has continued under Napoleon\N5:36\Nstandardized on the metric system am\N5:39\None of the things that this did was that it he's a lot of the burdens on farmers\N5:44\Nwho\N5:44\Nwe're having to deal with incompatible local unit systems\N5:48\Nbeing used to basically rip them off from what they should have earned a net\N5:51\Nprofits\N5:52\Nbut it also laid the groundwork for tax standardization\N5:57\Nand for central control arm to paraphrase\N6:01\Nshutter beyond what he said at the time you know if someone's using the metric\N6:05\Nsystem\N6:06\Nthat their narc in other words you know that if someone is using the metric\N6:10\Nsystem they work for the government they work for the order that is attempting\N6:13\Nto impose legibility on society\N6:17\Ninterested Quinn in the fourth century BC\N6:21\Nno relation the a\N6:24\Nthe Emperor decided that imposing\N6:27\Nsurnames on the population was a good idea\N6:30\Non they needed to be able to\N6:33\NI construct people for labor and for the military they needed to be able to tax\N6:38\Npeople\N6:39\Nand they needed to be able to apply laws to families\N6:42\NI now many the ruling families in this is true throughout the world\N6:46\Nin places where names have been have been put into force not been imposed on\N6:51\Npeople\N6:52\Nmany the ruling families already had surnames were frequent hatch to wear\N6:55\Nthat lived her\N6:56\Nor where they ruled on the common people had all sorts of different ways and\N6:59\Nbeing known\N7:01\Nand if you imagine you've got a dozen different ways that you can be named\N7:05\Nand you might have some reasons to not want to be\N7:09\Nlegible to the state this is very very convenient for you\N7:13\Nso assigning patrons was away as changing that power structure\N7:18\Nand along the way it may have also changed some other power structures in\N7:21\Nthe family\N7:22\Nit's not clear but one of the things that\N7:25\Nthey attempted to do was to make the arm\N7:29\Nrested the to make the head of a family responsible for all the action to the\N7:33\Nrest to the family\N7:34\Nwhich you could reasonably see might have some arm\N7:38\Nsome cultural shifts now this is really interesting because it shows that the\N7:43\Nvision and the state has consequences\N7:45\Nwhen the state looks at the world it makes things fall into the box is that\N7:50\Nit's measuring\N7:51\Neven if they didn't before in other words\N7:54\Nnetworks weird legibility\N7:58\Ncell I'm i this is i think have a controversial statement in this room\N8:03\Nright now\N8:03\Nbut I think that surveillance is actually a form of human concern\N8:08\Nhuman attention in human concern and\N8:12\Nand surveillance is what we do when we care about something\N8:16\NI at some times that care takes positive forms\N8:20\Ngot coming back to the collar map I sometimes\N8:23\Nit allows us to build infrastructure that works for a lot of people sometimes\N8:28\Nit allows us\N8:29\Nto prevent disease and feed children and so on and so forth\N8:32\Nand sometimes it's used for political control it's always used in some way\N8:37\NI have concern and like technology\N8:41\Nand many political qualities it is neither good nor bad doors in Utah\N8:44\Nexcuse me who on and\N8:48\Nand I think that some when things we have to bear in mind in this particular\N8:51\Nage of surveillance\N8:53\Nand is that to in many ways\N8:57\Nsurveillance is a small touches that we do on each other surveillance is when we\N9:00\Ncheck up on each other and stuff like that\N9:03\Nso finding a way to cast that's where we can reclaim the positive\N9:06\Nand suppress the negative is I think much more the task then to fight all\N9:10\Nsurveillance\N9:11\Nit's a much more subtle question then it would seem right now\N9:14\Non but when we talk about this kinda vision of the state\N9:17\Nthe status watcher the state as some as arbiter money for instance\N9:22\Nthe news cycle we have right now if we want to take it back\N9:26\Nall the way to I for century BC China\N9:29\Nthis isn't this all makes more sense\N9:32\Nnow it makes sense that that nations are trying to get all the information they\N9:36\Ncan\N9:37\Nbecause they're trying again to make their world legible\N9:41\Nand when they get all that information they're putting into categories that\N9:45\Nthey perceive\N9:46\Nare meaningful and\N9:49\Nand that means destroying by ignoring the ones that are\N9:53\NI think one thing that's really useful about reading this history is it gives\N9:56\Nyou a measure of prediction\N9:58\Non what states are gonna wanna do with technology\N10:01\Nthey want to keep tabs on their people for good and bad reasons and there's\N10:04\Nalways both good and bad reasons I'm\N10:08\Nand they want to take the power\N10:11\Nthat they get by being the state and use it to mold\N10:16\Nthe country that they're in that has been\N10:20\Na tremendously progressive force in history and a tremendously destructive\N10:24\None but it still comes from the same fundamental\N10:27\Nimpulse and this is why it's really easy for me to stand up and say\N10:31\Na statement always spy on its people as much as they possibly can\N10:35\Nbecause Steve always have not just to maintain their power but just to\N10:39\Nmaintain\N10:40\Nthe ability to control consequences which is a point that will return to\N10:45\Nlater\N10:46\Nso we're in an on time history and i wanna actually rollback\N10:50\Nto I am another moment in history\N10:53\Nintroduce you for two William Tindal from the 16th century\N10:58\Nand Tindal I'm had to flee one day from his native England\N11:03\Nand he never set foot in England again he died outside England\N11:07\Nup because he decided to translate it said would you wanna do with translate\N11:11\Nthe Bible into English\N11:13\Nnow centuries before this this was always a contentious issue\N11:17\Ntranslated the Bible into the local language I it was generally in Latin\N11:21\NI'm at centuries before this Pope Innocent the third had\N11:25\Nhad essentially and sentenced to death\N11:29\Npeople that would try to do something like this he\N11:32\Nthe lady was never even to touch the Bible it was to be interpreted and\N11:36\Nhanded down\N11:37\Nfrom on high by the church because the church\N11:41\Nwith the people who have the knowledge to understand it it was a top-down\N11:45\Npicture and Tindal was part of a movement\N11:48\Nthey wanted people to be able to take control of their own Christianity\N11:52\Nhe was opposed by as Sir Thomas More\N11:55\Nnow Saint Thomas More I'm who believed that\N11:59\Nthe church was necessary to keep order if this is sounding a bit Hobbesian\N12:03\Nthat's because it is a hot team today and it is one that we are still kinda\N12:07\NI too would like in the third activists I used to think this is a good metaphor\N12:11\Nfor where we are now but actually I think this is just the same thing going\N12:13\Non\N12:14\Nso more in 10 Dale got into a huge fight\N12:18\Nand more was on the runner's high today was on the run more worse\N12:22\Nwas sitting with p.m. henry the eighth and they got into\N12:26\Na big argument and this argument spanned con the continent\N12:30\Nat various points about whether or not the Bible should be in English\N12:34\Nand people should be able to interpret their own religion\N12:37\Non and of course that got started because this guy\N12:41\Nat Martin Luther who created up and shove\N12:44\Nat the season staple them to door and then and then sent them all around the\N12:48\Ncontinent\N12:50\Nagain nothing on this list above church reforms that Luther in 10 day on the\N12:55\Nwhole crew wanted were new\N12:57\Nnot thing was new what was new was a if you were\N13:00\NMartin Luther you wanted to say the church needs to reform and you gonna\N13:03\Nforce\N13:04\Nand to go tell people that that's what you believed the church would burden you\N13:09\NI but something had changed and this is also how\N13:13\NTindal and I mean it this the statement\N13:17\N10 they all ran away and then they had a fight for years\N13:20\Ndoesn't make any sense to most people in that area\N13:23\Nand it just sounds assumed to us because I've a communication technology in this\N13:27\Ncase that communication technology\N13:29\Non is the printing press\N13:33\NI'm so on Luther was able to put out as they fight the cysts it\N13:38\Nsafely with patron in Germany and say the church need to reform\N13:43\Nand the church dedication to be like could you send them from eating and he's\N13:46\Nlike\N13:46\NI'll stay here in Germany it's fine and I'm\N13:51\Nand no originally though the printing press\N13:55\Nhad been a huge to love the church\N13:58\Nthe more the biggest customers a printing\N14:01\Nam not just to print bibles but also standardize the interpretation of the\N14:06\Nreligion everywhere they could print things out send them\N14:08\Nout all Europe and gain control\N14:11\Nand again legibility on their religion make sure that everybody had the right\N14:15\Nmaterials\N14:17\Nthat there was no corruption in them and spread them everywhere\N14:20\Nand that went on for a few years and then the dissidents got a hold of this\N14:23\Ntechnology\N14:24\Nand it turned out they could do the same thing the church could do\N14:28\Nso the big question hanging over the 16th century\N14:31\Nwas was the printing press going to reform the Catholic Church\N14:36\Nwell in fact the printing press reformed\N14:40\Neverything on the planet and possibly few things of the plaque\N14:46\Nso they didn't even have a language to ask the right question\N14:52\Nfor the undertaking that they were embarking on\N14:59\Nso Tindal and more were two threads inside one institutional power\N15:05\Nbut there are a lot of kinds of power in society not just one\N15:09\Narm the church has waned in authority\N15:13\Ncapitalism was in many ways just getting started this was the birth at the East\N15:16\NIndia\N15:17\Ncompany this was the birth a mercantilism in that same era\N15:22\Non but the power guns in the power of money and the power of God\N15:25\Nare just three different kinds of power and they'll let you do different kinds\N15:29\Nof things they're not\N15:31\Ncommence herbal with each other they don't act on each other they don't\N15:35\Nact on themselves if you have a pile of money that doesn't lessen\N15:39\Nnecessarily let you directly influence\N15:42\Nwhat someone else who has a pile of money wants to do now\N15:46\Nyou can maybe take away their money or\N15:49\Nforce them to do something else because you bought the thing that they were\N15:52\Ntrying to buy first\N15:54\Nom but there's a lot of subtlety here in terms of how\N15:58\Npower acts and this is one of the things that\N16:03\Nseems to be occasionally getting missed while we talk about\N16:07\Noh we need to force states to do such and such we need to stop States from\N16:11\Ndoing such-and-such\N16:13\Nyou know there's this a you know all corporate surveillance is the worst\N16:17\Nthing oh\N16:18\Nstate surveillance the worst thing other different things and they may be\N16:21\Nproblematic in different ways all power needs to be able to see the world in a\N16:26\Nballoon\N16:27\Nin order to act whether you are a state for a corporation or church\N16:32\Nyou need your own kind and legibility and your own kind of surveillance\N16:36\Nwhether that means figuring out if the people in all the villages are showing\N16:41\Nup in church on Sundays\N16:43\Nand whether or not they're doing any of these things that might be indicative\N16:46\Nhave any at these various heresies\N16:49\Nthat you keep hearing about well let's go burn some people and find out\N16:53\Nor whether it just means that I need to be able to set cookies in your browser\N16:57\Nand figure out what kind of porn you like that's the same operation but for\N17:02\Nvery different reasons\N17:05\Nstates are panicking right now there\N17:09\Nacting the way they are because they're panicked\N17:12\Nand there's nothing that can cause the consequence very and it used to be that\N17:16\Nconsequence ferry was a very staid creature\N17:19\Nand it would sort of you know floats slowly around the room analyte\N17:23\Non the shoulders have had to state and popes and bishops\N17:27\Nand you know capitalists and say your\N17:30\Nactions matter in the world you're an important person\N17:34\Nand at some point in the past 20 or so years the consequence very got drunk\N17:38\Nand now the country is kinda flitting around the room doing\N17:41\Nmatter in you matter in you matter\N17:45\Nand everybody else is like what the fuck how do we even deal with this because we\N17:49\Ndon't know how\N17:51\Nbecause our legibility\N17:54\Nmin you know like the world hasn't changed the stuff that we pullin is\N17:58\Nstill the same thing\N17:59\Nbut it doesn't mean what it used to mean we can't interpret it anymore\N18:03\Nso one of the things we're seeing right now is we're staying States\N18:07\Ndesperately trying to hang onto not their ability to surveilled but their\N18:10\Nability to understand\N18:12\Nbut those don't look different from the outside\N18:15\Narm rule of law was never intended\N18:18\Nto operate in a state of exception in this is one of the things which is very\N18:21\Ninteresting\N18:23\Nif we talk about rule of law as a response\N18:26\Nto unrestricted surveillance or to any other other problems in the world right\N18:29\Nnow\N18:30\Narm a state of exception and a set of rules law are\N18:34\Ndefined opposites com we now live\N18:37\Nin a state of permanent but neither pervasive nor complete\N18:42\Nexception and this complicates\N18:46\Nall responses within systems\N18:51\Nsue on a personal level things have gotten weird to\N18:57\Nom positional Essex\N19:00\Nis basically what happens when you join an institution when you join our\N19:05\Norganization\N19:05\Nwhen you join a network that network or that institution\N19:09\Nhas a set of ethics that are attached to it\N19:12\Nand when you operate with in that institution\N19:16\Nyou take on some of those ethics you be calmer\N19:19\Nthe person that does the thing that the institution\N19:23\Nneeds to do in the world om now\N19:26\Nthis is not complete this is this is definitely not total\N19:30\Narm infrastructure does this tune this is a really interesting thing\N19:34\Nfor all of us you build communications infrastructure in the world\N19:37\Ninfrastructure has an ethics now in a lot of cases\N19:40\Nright now that ethics is actively suicidal\N19:43\Nwe're dealing with suicidal infrastructure that we're embedded\N19:46\Ninside\N19:48\Nand we cannot b.com non suicidal ourselves entirely\N19:53\Nbecause we're still tied into that infrastructure\N19:56\Nwe can only become in some ways\N20:00\Nsensible are human and humane again if we get outside that infrastructure but\N20:04\Nwe can't because that's what one society\N20:07\Num things in our lives can sometimes override\N20:11\Npositional FX and and this is where our friend Walter really comes in right\N20:15\Nyou know if you have kids\N20:18\Nall of a sudden you realize I'll I will do anything\N20:22\Nto feed these kids it doesn't matter what I thought my world used to be\N20:27\Nmy world is no different on\N20:30\Nand one of the things that's really interesting about life in the network\N20:34\Nsociety\N20:35\Nis that we don't just have a single set of ethics we don't just have a single\N20:38\Ncontext anymore\N20:40\Non we may find that we wake up in the morning and we go to work\N20:44\Nand we work on systems upstate or corporate control all day\N20:48\Nand then we go home and we do other work to undermine the exact same systems\N20:54\N%uh control that we were working to build all day and we are literally\N20:57\Nfighting ourselves\N21:01\Nthat is one of the conditions the next century\N21:10\Nso one other reasons that that institutions are freaking out right now\N21:14\Nis because this network that were on makes people\N21:18\Nweird and actually I like this particular networks weird people\N21:22\Nin almost like the high medieval cents they almost make people have a fame\N21:27\Nmagic to them and all the sudden one person can become many people on the\N21:31\Nnetwork\N21:31\Nand that legibility that several thousand years a\N21:35\Ngetting a last name on you people is suddenly gone because you just invented\N21:39\N15 new people\N21:41\Ntoday and a ten thousand if you read a scripted\N21:45\Nand all the sudden the other\N21:48\Nthe thing that the that power has a grip on\N21:52\Nhas a bearded in that classic its its totally fallen buffet and uncontrollable\N21:56\Nmagic and that's what you are right now\N21:58\Nthat's what you are becoming that's what people on the network have become\N22:02\Non and in the network has its own logic or possibly this\N22:07\NI'm not sure I wanna apply that word here for charm up but it's really true\N22:12\Nbut the network projects your reality and substitute is their own\N22:15\Nthose categories those safe and understand or predictable categories\N22:19\Nthose get weirded out to\N22:21\Nand we're all kinda living through this process all still within our lifetime\N22:25\Nand\N22:26\Nand we don't have a social structure or even a language to describe the networks\N22:31\Nthat we're living in right now\N22:32\Non and\N22:36\Nit's doing really really strange things to institutions\N22:41\Nthe Internet in particular turns conduits and barriers\N22:45\Nand I do mean that the IAEA used to be the good guys\N22:49\Ntheir jobs from the nineteen fifties was to standardize\N22:53\Nall the record players to make sure that all the record players will play all the\N22:57\Nrecords\N22:57\Nso that anyone to get music and a set up distribution systems for the anyone\N23:02\Naround the country\N23:03\Ncould get anyone else's music and this actually really interesting in magical\N23:08\Nthing they did because if you are living in you know in a Louisiana by you\N23:11\Nin 1950 you didn't hear music from New York\N23:15\Nuntil they fix this system and they allowed this\N23:19\Nthis and they're one of the entities that allowed this common culture to grow\N23:23\Nup in these\N23:23\Nother options to enter people's lives all over america\N23:26\Nand they didn't actually really change what they did for the next 50 years\N23:32\Nbut the world did that pit the same one that put you at the heart of the matter\N23:37\Ntook this conduit of information and turned it into a barrier\N23:41\Nand the people who are working these jobs the people who live through this\N23:46\Nwhole cycle with the RIAA\N23:48\NI gotta say like as a journalist who said to call in for interviews it's like\N23:51\Ngoing crazy people\N23:52\Nand I have a lot of sympathy for them these days because they didn't do\N23:56\Nanything wrong\N23:57\Nthe whole world just went cook it from their perspective\N24:01\NI and they're grabbing it reality as best they can\N24:06\Nin fact so many other things that would have been the awesome geeky things to do\N24:11\Nin the fifties and sixties\N24:13\Nhave turned from conduits and generous\N24:17\Nways are sharing information into the barriers trying to stop the network from\N24:21\Ndoing their job better\N24:22\Nbecause it got those kids to feed and they've got a mortgage\N24:26\Nand get what they were doing the right thing all their lives why did they have\N24:28\Nto change now\N24:29\Nso\N24:33\NI'm what does it look like on a grand scale\N24:37\Nwhen by these these weird things go on with institutions and people\N24:42\Nwell soluble from earlier with this kind of crap this is it from 1979 to the\N24:46\Npresident\N24:47\Na level up global protests any part in this I think we all know is fed by the\N24:52\Nfact the core name protesters now\N24:54\Npiss easy compared to what it was prior to this\N24:58\NI that it's you know\N25:01\Nit's like a signing up for a amassed tweeting and then going somewhere and\N25:06\Nit's\N25:06\Nsomething people can do in a few minutes it something\N25:09\Nyou know it I the people who set up the\N25:12\Nactor protests in on Poland that brought down\N25:16\Na that legislation eventually work people who had been working on it for\N25:21\Nyears in building networks and\N25:23\Nand doing trainings and so on and so forth they're just like I must our\N25:26\NFacebook group\N25:28\Nand pretty soon there is two hundred thousand people in three hundred cities\N25:31\Ncrashing abusive legislation\N25:33\Nthat was ever a treaty that was never even supposed to face any serious\N25:37\Nopposition\N25:38\Nthat came out of nowhere that's when the one with the Polish Parliament mast up\N25:43\Ntalk about weirding identity and institutions right there\N25:46\NI'm this was a little bit more subtle but actually think ultimately more\N25:50\Nimportant\N25:51\Nsomething's happened since the 90's it certainly took off by the year two\N25:55\Nthousand\N25:55\Nand actually interestingly maps pretty well that global protest graph\N26:00\Ninode by pretty well I mean in a rough sense that is risen on a somewhat plain\N26:04\Non which is that this bottom-line is on\N26:07\Nis for Nate from 1970 to the present\N26:11\Nand that top-line is international remittance\N26:15\Nan international remittances the fancy pants term for sending money home to\N26:18\Nyour family\N26:20\Nnot so what's happened here is that um\N26:24\Nv is that nearly three times as much money is sent\N26:28\Nby immigrants back to their families\N26:31\Nas is is set to countries via foreign aid from governments\N26:36\Nand possibly other fundraising institutions on\N26:40\Nwhy is that important because the system a mutual care\N26:43\Nit is again largely a while legible or stepping out of the state some %uh this\N26:47\Nactually the number is probably higher than this because it is very very hard\N26:51\Nto count\N26:52\Nremittances go through informal in car economies a limitation that the people\N26:56\Nwho study this recognized but by their very nature they are illegible\N27:00\Nand they're often used for remittance by people who are trying to\N27:03\Navoid taxes or avoid government they're trying to skim off the top of the\N27:07\Nremittance economy\N27:08\Non so again the network is making things\N27:12\Npretty weird\N27:23\Nso\N27:25\NI first got online in August in 1994 just before\N27:30\Nthe internet said only became a\N27:33\Nvery different place for the first half probably the dozen or two dozen times\N27:37\Nthat that's happened\N27:38\Nsince then om and\N27:42\Nthat culture that I first came in on\N27:46\Nwas a culture where we were kind of in a corner doing our own thing\N27:51\Nand that September\N27:55\Nwhen all the college kids came online and then everyone else\N27:58\Nstarted coming online all of a sudden we don't live\N28:02\Nsomewhere off a corner now all the sudden we live\N28:05\Nright in the middle and everything com\N28:09\Nand everything that we're doing is going\N28:12\Nto keep ako ng through history\N28:16\Nno matter what we want to do one of the things that means is that means that we\N28:21\Nneed to learn history who's been to learn our own history\N28:24\Nif we continue to\N28:28\Nignore the shaping a fact that we have on the world\N28:32\Nwe miss a lot of things it means we're going to keep repeating the same\N28:36\Nmistakes it means we're not going to understand the victories\N28:39\Nthat we won in the past on it means we're not going to understand the\N28:43\Nvictories\N28:44\Nother people one and see the similarities between the situations\N28:48\Nthat we're in now and that some French peasant was in seven hundred years ago\N28:52\Nor some Chinese peasant was an two thousand years ago\N28:56\Ncom that social change\N29:01\Nis really really critical arm you know we keep hearing\N29:05\Nno code is polished their code is law laws code there's this\N29:09\Nthere's this you know arm equivalency now\N29:13\NI think there's something deeper there's well I think that\N29:16\Ncode it becomes given a hundred years culture\N29:20\Narm and that's a lot harder to protect\N29:24\Nin some ways we can look at apiece have law\N29:27\Nand makes some gases about what effect it's gonna have on the world\N29:32\Nit's a lot harder to make the same set of gases about what\N29:36\Na cultural object or a thing that will influence a cultural object is going to\N29:40\Nhave on the world\N29:41\Nbut if we don't start thinking about it we're definitely not going to get there\N29:45\Nso arm one of the things that we're talking about\N29:49\Nis trying to stretch out are mines\N29:53\Nstretch out like our conceptions of history while living\N29:56\Nwhile those institutions and as institutional ethics that we're talking\N29:59\Nabout\N29:59\Npush you towards thinking in quarters most imp cultures currently conducted on\N30:06\Non like\N30:06\Nquarters or maybe an annual cycle\N30:09\Na but something like pointed out to me recently that they can't right now find\N30:14\Nany articles that are making predictions for 2014\N30:19\Nour time horizons have gotten so short\N30:23\Nthat we are too scared to predict next month but we can look back\N30:28\Nwe can look back at different points and and take lessons from them some other\N30:31\Nthings that we face right now are unprecedented\N30:33\Nas all history has been and some other\N30:37\Nis patterns that we can learn from and when we step back and look at\N30:40\Nnot just I not just things like Tindal\N30:44\Nand more and that path they traced up to the Enlightenment\N30:48\Nand again interestingly it is almost at we can also look at things like the fall\N30:52\Nof the Roman Empire\N30:53\Nthe rise of paper money in China all these things\N30:56\Nare things that can help inform us and make us understand the technologies that\N31:00\Nwe face today\N31:01\Nbut of course there are limits because every moment is unprecedented and right\N31:06\Nnow\N31:06\Nthere are so many freakin people out there that's what's so strange about\N31:10\Nthis moment every second two hundred and seventeen years a few min experience\N31:15\Npass on this planet since we've been talking it's something close to you\N31:20\Nfive hundred thousand years in as in the course of this talk\N31:25\Nthat's the that's the human attention that has passed\N31:28\Nfrom seven billion people while we've been standing here we've been standing\N31:31\Nyou can stay\N31:32\Nsetting and what I really wanna start pushing on you\N31:36\Npushing toward you towards is trying to look at that long time\N31:40\Ntry to look at what the world was like a few hundred years ago\N31:44\Nand try to imagine what you want the world to look like in a hundred years\N31:49\Nbut that's a question very few of us can answer at this point\N31:52\Nnot what do you think it will look like we want it to look like\N31:58\Nwhat do you think is right for people in a hundred years\N32:01\Nhow do you hope people that you will never meet will live\N32:13\Npeople are different because at this network that we've dealt over the last\N32:17\Nthirty years\N32:17\NI but they're having to do it on brains that haven't had a chance to change\N32:22\NI'm normally we have to we have decades and generations to adjust to these kinds\N32:28\Nof change\N32:28\Ncurrently living through an age where we have to adjust these changes\N32:32\Nand and a biologically challenging period of time\N32:35\Nam billions of people a number that none of us can conceive\N32:40\NI I not just once on the network for those touched by the network test for\N32:45\Nthe presence of a network\N32:46\NI are affected by what we\N32:49\Nas a community have till on yes\N32:54\Nwe built the technology that let's governments monitor controller people\N32:58\Nwe also built a technology that lets people escape the fate's that their\N33:02\Nrulers and cultures have for them\N33:03\Nand sometimes we built those things in the same applications\N33:07\Nyou\N33:10\Nhave left millions and perhaps hundreds of millions\N33:13\Nhave children know the mothers and fathers who had to leave them\N33:17\Nin order to feed them and care for them a tradition that goes back many\N33:21\Ngenerations\N33:22\Nmany generations into social isolation in Los\N33:25\Nyou taken away the power economics and distance to make strangers a family's\N33:31\Non this is what's buried in those\N33:35\Ndry remittance figures people\N33:39\Nfamilies families origin\N33:43\Nfamilies that we create distance no longer has\N33:48\Nthe same power over its lives over our lives\N33:51\Nbecause other things that we all built in the last thirty years\N33:54\Nthis is what mutual care looks like it looks like the faces a\N33:59\Npeople it looks like their blood and their flash\N34:03\Nand this is what our technology affects\N34:06\Ncontrols and enables you made millions of people care\N34:10\Nabout people they didn't know existed millions of people they didn't know\N34:15\Nexisted\N34:15\Nyou made\N34:18\Nnot just distance but\N34:22\Nthe time but the depth of time the human record\N34:26\Nall recorded history you made it so present\N34:29\Nthat we can pocket out of the air at any moment that's what you did in the last\N34:34\Nthirty years\N34:35\Nthat's what you gave close to two billion people\N34:39\Non this planet in the last thirty years\N34:42\Nthat's what you're responsible for\N34:46\NI know that you didn't ask for this job\N34:51\Nyou didn't ask for this role in society none the view\N34:54\Nnot one %uh view wants to think about the many people that can be affected by\N34:59\None fucking perfectly normal Bob or mistake\N35:03\Nin the technology that you built and this is where the reasons we keep our\N35:06\Nheads down\N35:07\Nno one became a geek because they wanted to be the center of political attention\N35:11\Nthat just happened\N35:14\Nyou don't get to choose you don't get to choose what arab history you live in\N35:19\Nand what that era wants to do with you and this is a moment when it\N35:24\Nall up for grabs that's what it means to say we're on a burning planet and what\N35:28\Nit means to say that we don't have neutral ground is that you're at the\N35:30\Ncenter of that fire\N35:32\Nyou said it you one other people that said it you're one of the people\N35:35\Nattended\N35:36\Nand everything you do the changes you make over the next month in years ago in\N35:41\Na time down decades and centuries in shape the lives of people\N35:44\Nyou will never know but they will know you\N35:47\Nfor one thing your lives very well courted\N35:51\Nand\N35:55\Nat this point this is where we are in history\N35:59\Nbut we're standing at a conference where we still have to remind people in the\N36:02\Ncommunity to eat embed themselves\N36:13\Nit is time for us to up our game\N36:36\NI believe me we taking questions at the Mikes\N36:39\Nand possibly from the internet I'm not sure\N36:44\NI'm\N36:48\Nbut when many the citations that we use not all that many the situations that we\N36:51\Nused in the talk\N36:52\Nare contained within these books and essays and so on and so forth and\N36:56\Ntogether they make a pretty interesting follow-on curriculum as it were\N36:59\Nfor the concepts even talking about\N37:21\Nhi\N37:22\Ngood evening thanks for the bus station a.m.\N37:25\Nafter the printing technology came we saw a emancipate\N37:29\Nemancipation of the human being human rights\N37:33\Nend of slavery a do you think there could be something similar happening\N37:37\Nwith the\N37:37\Nyou man which is enhanced man also going through in speed\N37:42\Nemancipation and of digital slavery and\N37:45\Nnew union rights committee um\N37:48\Nso interestingly we thought we saw ups\N37:51\Nslavery as a explicit condition abolished but we saw it as an implicit\N37:56\Ncondition expanded so we have various people who end up\N38:00\NI am essentially living in slave-like conditions\N38:03\Nthey can't be they they can be bought or sold well in some cases they almost\N38:07\Ncan be I'm but a it is\N38:10\Nits interesting to watch how that institution changed I think actually\N38:14\Nthat's a really really important point\N38:15\Nbecause this kind of modified human being\N38:19\Nthis we're all basically cyborgs have some sort or another at this point I\N38:23\Nliving on a cyborg planet like if you look at if you look at this planet that\N38:27\Nis not what the planet naturally looks like this is what we have now\N38:30\Non and up and\N38:33\NI think that the job I have our generation especially in the next\N38:37\Ngeneration is going to be\N38:39\Nto try and and the slavery without instantiating a new\N38:42\Nsadler form of slavery like we did last time\N38:46\Ncell this is coming this these enhancements are coming there's nothing\N38:50\Nwe can do about it except make it positive\N38:52\NI see ways in which emergent structures can make this world a much better place\N38:56\Nbut I also see ways in which emergent structures fighting state power\N39:00\Nturning violent could make a completely gray\N39:04\Nfeatureless terrible planet where anyone who was different was instantly\N39:08\Ndestroyed\N39:08\NI think that's what our network could do in the worst-case I'd rather it didn't\N39:12\Ndo that okay thank you\N39:16\NI'm more remarkable order basically if you're standing in the Ailey II to go to\N39:20\Nask questions\N39:21\Nsit down or leaf no standing around looking and chances are details\N39:25\Nthank you and the next question over there on\N39:29\NI E not so much a question as a comment I would like to encourage\N39:34\Nin addition to reading those books that we need to learn and remember more about\N39:39\Nour own history I'm they are very recent history\N39:42\Nit disturbs me that there have in\N39:46\Nthere are books about cryptographic algorithms\N39:49\Nthere are books about bomb early days of hacking but I talk to people younger\N39:54\Nthan myself\N39:55\Nyour the on their I teens and twenties\N39:58\Nand Theor from the people i've talked to there is an astounding lack\N40:03\Nawareness UVC like the first crypto war nobody\N40:08\Nthat I know I love who is to give him the younger than me\N40:12\Nknows about the clipper chip ok for it has a or how weak I\N40:16\Na I want gonna over in crypto\N40:20\Nwith you know the combination the expiration have patents\N40:23\Nand solve the other free software that developed\N40:27\Nthe period %uh naked silly 1988 1992\N40:31\Nas a collected history seems to be\N40:34\Nplank so let me actually don't know I find that can found the disturbing\N40:38\Neverybody in the room house at some sort a computer science degree related degree\N40:41\Nput up your hands\N40:42\Nnow everyone who\N40:45\Nthat we keep your hands up now everyone who read caught Shannon\N40:50\Nin school choir hands down get all of your people with CS degrees who didn't\N40:57\Nrequire Shannon\N40:58\None of the most fundamental voices in everything you do\N41:02\Nand that's kind of goes to this interesting point about I'm\N41:07\Nabout understandably I think one of the great things you can do is talk to all\N41:10\Npeople\N41:11\Nask them what like used to be like and I will talk your about this\N41:16\Ntalk about this because I thank you 3/28 talk\N41:19\NI on so you talked about the\N41:25\Nview of the state's um by the state itself is just\N41:29\Nare some top technology to keep society on\N41:33\Nhuman time to working cell arm\N41:36\Nwhile you're I rejoin to you talk I was\N41:40\Nthinking whether you have thought about the possibility that\N41:45\Nsome sort of new technologies we're\N41:48\Ninventing building may eat even supersede\N41:52\Nthe state structure and I am\N41:56\Nto 'em region even more fundamental change how humans interact on the global\N42:00\Nlevel\N42:01\Nso while we could\N42:04\Nand may replace the state's I am\N42:10\NI really like roads one of the things that we often\N42:14\Nend up doing and especially in the gay community\N42:17\Nwe will end up building technologies which will they sort of mostly work\N42:22\Num that doesn't cut it for water systems that doesn't cut it for a lot of the\N42:26\Nstuff that keeps us alive\N42:30\NI don't think it is unreasonable to start the project if trying to replace\N42:33\Nthe state I'd\N42:34\NI definitely don't but we need to make sure that we get it right\N42:39\Nbecause if you fucked that one up too badly things get really really horrific\N42:43\NI completely agree but I am I was just\N42:47\NI thought this song was a bit focus on the state love is safe for me is just\N42:50\Nanother technology\N42:52\Nand this state is the technology that has kept most humans alive\N42:57\Nforemost recorded history so it's unreasonable to spend a certain amount\N43:01\Nof time on it\N43:14\Nthank you\N43:15\Nthank you for bringing talk um basically from you\N43:18\Nparts down to this so instead of a question\N43:22\Npeople don't be scared be prepare\N43:25\Nrepaired don't be predictable take questions are\N43:32\Nshort answer the question mark and put into this quiet down some boats\N43:36\Ngood people watching this team are complaining about older college because\N43:40\Nthe lawyers have people and singer leaving\N43:42\Nso I the common take a seat be quiet or just leave\N43:46\Nthank you know an expression lip balm most question\N43:49\Nthat overtime yes sir actually\N43:52\NI am afraid I am very very afraid because\N43:56\NI feel like we're walking on a very very thin line because the\N44:00\Naction that that we take could easily tip\N44:03\Nwhat whatever will happen a lucky in the\N44:07\Npapal what what we want to what we don't want and I feel like even when I look\N44:11\Nback within his history\N44:12\Nit's never been like this that that I basically when it tried to create\N44:17\Nsomething I might\N44:18\Nlater wake up in like it a scene of a dystopian movie\N44:21\Nwhere all I have created end up destroying all that I love so\N44:25\Nhow can I not be afraid so I think that was always true\N44:30\Nyet but you're gonna be dead before it happens\N44:34\Ndawson's on\N44:38\N%ah tell you layup treetop for its harbour\N44:43\NI is a guy who dedicated his life to inventing as many horrific\N44:47\Nchemical weapons as he could and along the way he worked out nitrogen-fixing\N44:51\Nwhich is why we have all these people and I\N44:57\Nand what's really interesting about that to me things like for toppers while\N45:01\Npeople I keep in mind I think to some degree we have to let go\N45:04\Nthe fear because we will never actually control the gutter ill we do in the\N45:07\Nworld we can not we can push we can hope but at the end\N45:11\Nif the most I amazing ugg boots you human life\N45:16\Ncame from a guy who was trying to invent chemical weapons\N45:19\Nwe really I no one's driving this crazy train\N45:23\Nyou okay thank you very much\N45:27\Non the
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