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Thank you for coming with us! So...

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All right. How many have heard about the Google
Summer of Code?

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Already, if you are not aware, I could be
introducing more about what is it and

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and then talk more about what we are going
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So, can you raise the hand

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if you are already aware of the Google Summer of Code?

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Thank you - I think most of you are aware,

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it's bringing the student developers

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into the open source community, it's all about that

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So, the session is going to be

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mostly the students introducing their projects

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and getting the feedback, and discussing with their mentors.

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If they are getting any questions from IRC, they can discuss

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How they can improve the project in their

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...Their ongoing projects.

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OK. so let me introduce about myself. I am Jaminy,

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So, I come from Sri Lanka

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I am one of the coordinators for
Google Summer of Code with Debian

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So, Debian has been participating in the Google Summer of Code

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from 2005, and

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it has been 13 years it has been participating,

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and we had a break in 2017

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and now we are back in 2018 with Google Summer of Code

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and these are the teams for GSoC coordination

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I am representing the team

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Daniel Pocock, Alexander, and it's me

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This year, we have accepted 25 students

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And that's the link for the projects

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that are ongoing this year

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So, there is an interesting GSoC statistic this year

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this year we have selected

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I mean, this was from the Google Open Source blog,

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and they said there are three students

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Four students accepted from Kosovo

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The three students are from our Debian community, and they are here joining us

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joining with us,

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to introduce more about their project

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I hope that, without wasting more time,

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I could give the chance for the students to introduce,

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to talk more about their projects.

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Arthur, can you...

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So, you hear me? OK?

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Yes? Nice.

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So...

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Hello, my name is Arthur del Esposto

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I am going to talk about my GSoC project

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that is titled "Improving Distro Tracker to better support Debian teams"

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My mentor is Lucas Kanashiro and my co-mentor is Raphael Hertzog.

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I will provide you some context about why we are doing this.

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So, basically,

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Debian teams used to rely on Packages Entropy Tracker

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with the assistance that basically got some information about

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the package from Debian, from Alioth,

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and display some kind of information

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inside tables and some categories.

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the tracker.debian.org, which you probably have used before,

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that basically gathers the same sort of information from several sources inside Debian

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and puts this in a Web application.

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of a specific package, the Web defaults,

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and you can get all the information related to that package.

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that has not been maintained anymore

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and also, he used to track the

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package repository from Alioth.

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is just continuing to support Debian teams
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and to prioritize their work efforts

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by migrating the PET features

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to Distro Tracker, and also

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we want to track Salsa repositories instead of Alioth.

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if you enter a team page,

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of anything inside Distro Tracker

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you are going to get this kind of table

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so basically you have the first column

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with the package name

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the second column with the changelog version

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and the VCS of that package,

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the third column with the archive version,

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we also are tracking the bugs here

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has the upstream version.

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OK, of this package.

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that we are providing you is that if

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one of those fields, you are going to get

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more detailed information about that specific field.

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the information links to BTS

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that exist for the package.

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more than one category of package tables

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specific pages where each of these

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package tables. OK?

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that was my resource, and so far we have

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distros, so it's also being

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everything you are going to do you have
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that implements that specific features from

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some performance problems, because we are

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we are handling a large number of table cells

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dynamically, so basically we are building

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merge requests accepted

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package tables with new categories

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on the number of bugs, for example.

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got good results so far, and

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I have received valuable feedback from the Debian community

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and I have a lot of ideas to continue

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working on this after the GSoC as well

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an amazing experience, I have been learning a lot,

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which Kanashiro has had to log all the
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I look into contributing to Debian

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provide me this opportunity to come here to DebConf

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to present my work.

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So, my project is called

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"Port Kali Packages to Debian"

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and my mentors are Raphaël Hertzog
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Unfortunately, they didn't come to

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this year's DebConf, and

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we are from the pkg-security

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tools packaging team, so this is

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something I have been working on

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for the past one year and a half

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I think I started packaging

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and in 2017 I started

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working on the security tools packaging

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because this is something that really

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Kali Linux is a digital
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that has like lots of packages

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the most used distribution

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for "capture-the-flag" competitions

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and is based on unstable

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and the thing is that Kali has

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than Debian's, so that's the reason

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of the

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differences between the packages

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what packages can I work on

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and what are the problems

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that it should rather get them on Main

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also used the tracker system that we
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and this is a special dashboard

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where we can see how many

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packages are on Kali Linux that

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but this includes dependencies

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and lots of packages are not

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that really important, and

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some of them are not installed by default on Kali

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I really would like to see on Debian, and

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the first one was Metasploit

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because it's one of the most used

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frameworks for pentesting

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what should I do

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and it was a really tough job

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because Metasploit is currently

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bundling all their gem dependencies

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there was a big discussion

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n the Debian mailing lists about that,

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but whatever, I use repology

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were already packaging this stuff

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be around 40 packages

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that I had to package in order

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to see if it would work, because

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you have the version problem, because

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bundling the distro version, and

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we decided not to do that

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during this project, so I

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do this manually, so I

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developed a

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kind of big shell script

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it shouldn't be a shell script, it should be in

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a programming language, but

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got big worked on, and to this

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scripts I give

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I input it a list of packages, and it

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cloned all the Kali

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Git repositories for this package,

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build each one of them, and did

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some basic checks, like if

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it is a default

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Kali package, if it's

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buildable, because some of the packages

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are not buildable because we don't have

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the build dependencies in Debian right now,

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it checks if it is DEP5 compliant already,

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hardening, if

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it is bundling some gems, and if

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there are [?], there is about

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twenty or thirty something

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so you have lots of info

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which are the most important issues

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Raphaël gave me the idea to

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look for the number of uploads that

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the package had since

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it hit Kali, so I

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just sort for the number of uploads

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and I have the most important ones.

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This made the process

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really easy, like a lot more

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easy, and I

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am publishing this on our team's

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wiki page, and I will keep using this

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like, forever

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because it really helps other people that

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want to contribute to our team, and

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this is another software

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that I tried, how many time do I have?

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OK

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another package that I really want to

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see on Debian is zaproxy, and

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for zaproxy,

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I had to do a manual checking, because it is

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a Java program, and

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Java has... I really don't like Java, so

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they bundle like

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...zaproxy is great software, but

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they bundle some

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libraries, and I

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talked to upstream, and they are very

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receptive, and they

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want to help us, but

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I didn't manage to package it yet,

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I think I will do it after GSoC

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but there are

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some packages that we need to introduce

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on Debian. Some of the packages that zaproxy

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upstream is thinking about

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dropping them, and putting just
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the core doesn't need them
and some of the packages are old

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and stuff like that, we have

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there is a lot of problems 
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like... there was a

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package which was GPL licensed

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but it was linking against

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OpenSSL, and in order

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to do that, you have to either add

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a license exception to your license

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And I talked to upstream, and

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it cooperative upstream,

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it is a software which is used

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to break

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WiFi password,

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like, doing offline cracking

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and upsream decided to change its license

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to BSD license

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so we could release that on Debian. I

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can't remember right now if it's on the NEW queue

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or if it already hit

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unstable, but I think is on the NEW queue.

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So, in the end,

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the results are, I made the script,

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which is going to be used by

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some time. There are some

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fixes that can be

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We have to do on the script to
make it better

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to make the checking better, because

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we still have some corner cases where

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it doesn't work really well,

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we got some new packages in Debian,

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which is really good. I have to

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make some upstream contributions, because

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for some packages I wrote

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their manpage, and I sent it

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to upstream, there was this

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company of software that

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changed its licensing to be like

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correctly compliant with

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OpenSSL license, and

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and we got now a better

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Kali and Debian for its users, because

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when a package is just

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in Kali, they don't like

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to do hardening,

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that's one example of things that

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gets better when the package hits Debian

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because when we enable hardening

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sometimes we see problems that makes
the package to

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fail to build, and then we fix that,

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upload to Debian, and when the package hits

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unstable, Kali starts

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taking this package from Debian, and

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they can use our infrastructure

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to do some QA

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and stuff like that, and they

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there are two people from Kali that I know at least,

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Raphaël and Sophie, and they work

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on Debian also, on our team, so

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when there's a new release, they upload

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the release on Debian,

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so Debian users win

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by that also, and

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they already did lots of work

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on their packages, so

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yes, I think that's

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the summary of the results

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Thank you.

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[ audience clapping ]

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Hello, I am Enkelena Haxhiu

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I am from the Republic of Kosovo, and

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I am here to represent my Google Summer of Code

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project. My mentors are

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Bruno Milena and Gabriela.

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So, my project is

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a Mozilla Firefox

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web extension to

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give free and...

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to give free software alternatives

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to the apps on the Internet, so to have

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avoiding non-free

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apps and sites.

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So, the goals for this project

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were that

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while the user is surfing

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on the Internet, the moment that he

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uses a non-free

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software,

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my extension will detect it

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and then give an

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alternative to it, a free software alternative.

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The user should be able

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to stop it when it's annoying,

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and the notifications should be

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only once per session,

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and we wanted to have like a

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database through self-hosted

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API, or to use

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a free software device

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and then all this database

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show it on our Web page.

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I started by making

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the user experience design,

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based on that, because

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should work like, should work fine,

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I made some sketches and mockups

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and then the persona

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and then the finding the bad habits of apps,

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like research, and

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I started implementing it by

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coding it, I used Mozilla

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API to make my extension

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communicate with the Web browser API

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I created a

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JSON data file, it's like

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a proof of concept to just take

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the data, because this is going to be

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later in a real database.

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So the code

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logic, do

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select and display the alternatives

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based on the current

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active website, is that

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we should get the URL,

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identify it by sending...

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Identify it, and then to send

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to that JSON file, check

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and, based on

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that, to give an alternative.

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If it exists, of course. We did

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We don't want to annoy the user

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like, to show too much notifications

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so we made it only once

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per session for the current app,

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and it has the ability to

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stop and start it. We use the

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local storage to hold the

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user settings

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and then we have to present this

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free software list through

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a web page that is generated by

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that database.

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This is like a simple diagram

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of basically what I just said.

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These are some screenshots with words

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for example, Dropbox is a nonfree

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software, and this is

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the notification that it gets

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it says, "Dropbox has open source alternatives

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like seafile",

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and then, I have here

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the web page that it gets

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the extension popup

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and all these things. This is how it looks like.

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And then, i made a project website

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which holds all the data

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I made the design of it and

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the frontend and the data generation.

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I plan to leave this open

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so developers can add stuff there

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to the database, and then

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generates it, and

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it goes, like, right away to the

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to the project website.

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I don't need to hard-code...

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hard-code it or something.

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Then I made the documentation of it,

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I split it into three sections,

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in the information about the project,

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general things,

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what's the purpose, how it works, and

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the second one is the contribution,

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how can developers contribute

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to it, and the third one

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is about

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the technical aspects, like

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debugging, and cloning the repo for new

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developers. So this is like

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an example of it.

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And for the future,

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I plan to continue my

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project, even after GSoC

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the first thing I need to do

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like, probably now, I am

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going to put it in the

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Mozilla Firefox market,

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and later I can make it

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for other browsers like Chromium

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but we need to change the

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API there, and I thought

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the package could get in Debian, because

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while I was here, I learnt about

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packaging and

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upstreaming and all that stuff, so

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I think I am probably going to do that

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but not for now, because I want

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my users to be

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like, all Internet users, not just

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Debian operating system users.

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Another thing is that I want

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it to be integrated with other free

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software services, like SUSI

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artificial intelligence, and

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Thunderbird in upstream

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SUSI is a

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speaking and texting artificial

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intelligence that gives you responses

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and I plan to use

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that giving the suggestions

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by speech.

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On my extension,

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with Thunderbird I felt it to be

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like, to work

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like in Mozilla, but, you know, when a

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user gets an e-mail from a non-free side,

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then it should

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send a suggestion,

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"use this, don't use this", like

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I just basically explained,

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and with upstream, I thought that

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all my database should be

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there, to put it there, and

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it could help upstream, and it can

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it could help me.

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Here, I have my

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experience with Debian, I heard about Debian

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last year, in a girl's hackathon

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and then later

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in Tirana, in Albania, where

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in a Debian bugs squashing party,

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a DD was there, and

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we planned on

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-- sorry --

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working a bit more than

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With Daniel Pocock we had

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we made...

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A speech together, we gave under

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in the biggest open source conference

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in the whole Balkans, it was about

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Free Software. And about my project,

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I read a whole book to

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understsand it a little bit more, to be

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more prepared. And I want to

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thank the Debian people for giving me this

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opportunity to talk here, in front of you,

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and I hope I'll be a DD soon.

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Thank you!

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So... Yeah, it's working.

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So, before... My name is Elena

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Elena Gjevukaj, and I come from Kosovo.

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Before I start,

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to present my project, I want to mention that

560
00:24:06,363 --> 00:24:08,953
this year in the GSoC is the first time

561
00:24:09,216 --> 00:24:10,916
that our country is participating.

562
00:24:11,615 --> 00:24:13,926
It was funny, because even when we had

563
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,317
applied for the GSoC, we had

564
00:24:16,579 --> 00:24:18,177
to ask Google to add

565
00:24:18,458 --> 00:24:19,959
our country in the list, so

566
00:24:20,590 --> 00:24:21,278
you know how...

567
00:24:22,394 --> 00:24:24,486
We thought that we didn't

568
00:24:24,707 --> 00:24:26,867
have any more opportunities

569
00:24:27,142 --> 00:24:27,998
or any...

570
00:24:28,743 --> 00:24:30,750
we just thought they aren't going to accept us.

571
00:24:31,326 --> 00:24:32,761
But hopefully for us, we have

572
00:24:33,727 --> 00:24:34,798
a great mentor,

573
00:24:35,106 --> 00:24:37,424
Daniel Pocock, I think many of you

574
00:24:37,626 --> 00:24:38,988
guys know him,

575
00:24:39,555 --> 00:24:41,141
and he helped us

576
00:24:41,410 --> 00:24:42,855
with everything that we needed

577
00:24:43,132 --> 00:24:45,179
for all of the applications

578
00:24:45,947 --> 00:24:47,133
and everything else.

579
00:24:48,373 --> 00:24:49,891
So, going back to my project,

580
00:24:50,282 --> 00:24:51,783
My project

581
00:24:51,978 --> 00:24:53,571
is basically what I just said

582
00:24:54,005 --> 00:24:55,731
right now. So, knowing that

583
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:57,689
newcomers to the open source have a lot

584
00:24:57,939 --> 00:24:59,347
of problems to,

585
00:24:59,612 --> 00:25:01,781
to just set up

586
00:25:02,005 --> 00:25:03,566
a development environment

587
00:25:05,686 --> 00:25:06,281
and

588
00:25:07,493 --> 00:25:10,307
that's why we wanted

589
00:25:10,651 --> 00:25:11,473
to create...

590
00:25:12,717 --> 00:25:13,951
to create a GUI

591
00:25:14,941 --> 00:25:17,529
so my project is a new contributor...

592
00:25:17,877 --> 00:25:18,967
contributor wizard

593
00:25:19,278 --> 00:25:21,061
and is basically a GUI that

594
00:25:21,341 --> 00:25:23,286
could be distributed as a

595
00:25:23,513 --> 00:25:24,659
package, and

596
00:25:24,961 --> 00:25:26,696
to help the newcomer

597
00:25:27,077 --> 00:25:28,607
to Debian and open source

598
00:25:29,467 --> 00:25:30,504
to start their work

599
00:25:30,882 --> 00:25:33,979
on the open source projects.

600
00:25:35,093 --> 00:25:36,026
For example, if you want to

601
00:25:36,305 --> 00:25:38,689
apply in GSoC or Outreachy

602
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,651
or other programs like this

603
00:25:41,078 --> 00:25:42,778
you will need a lot of things

604
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,237
because if you are a new person,

605
00:25:45,457 --> 00:25:47,277
you are newcoming to Debian, or

606
00:25:47,542 --> 00:25:48,904
any other version of

607
00:25:49,112 --> 00:25:50,592
Linux, you will have a lot of

608
00:25:50,861 --> 00:25:52,719
problems to start up, so

609
00:25:53,033 --> 00:25:54,830
what we want to do with this

610
00:25:55,153 --> 00:25:57,006
is to help students

611
00:25:57,226 --> 00:25:59,114
to run this computer

612
00:25:59,347 --> 00:26:00,978
program in their desktop

613
00:26:01,204 --> 00:26:02,882
and have to understand

614
00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:04,834
everything that they need, for example

615
00:26:05,099 --> 00:26:06,839
they will need for sure, how to use

616
00:26:07,058 --> 00:26:08,620
IRC, they will need

617
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:11,405
basically a blog to explain

618
00:26:11,616 --> 00:26:13,255
their work or add portfolio on it,

619
00:26:13,484 --> 00:26:15,028
so they will need

620
00:26:15,203 --> 00:26:17,208
a PGP or

621
00:26:17,582 --> 00:26:18,886
other things like this

622
00:26:19,093 --> 00:26:20,836
that we usually use in open source

623
00:26:21,141 --> 00:26:22,931
so, my part of the project

624
00:26:23,337 --> 00:26:24,032
in this

625
00:26:24,952 --> 00:26:26,761
in this month of

626
00:26:26,971 --> 00:26:28,390
the Google Summer of Code,

627
00:26:28,653 --> 00:26:31,292
was the blog module,

628
00:26:31,553 --> 00:26:32,886
basically, I created

629
00:26:33,147 --> 00:26:34,486
a module that will

630
00:26:34,863 --> 00:26:36,369
generate automatically

631
00:26:37,002 --> 00:26:39,386
...build dynamic and static websites.

632
00:26:39,775 --> 00:26:42,005
And the other part

633
00:26:42,217 --> 00:26:43,779
of it was that I did a lot of

634
00:26:44,034 --> 00:26:45,654
research on what students

635
00:26:45,964 --> 00:26:46,973
need for...

636
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,015
and we should include in the research

637
00:26:52,041 --> 00:26:54,074
Another thing that I want to

638
00:26:54,295 --> 00:26:55,535
mention is that students

639
00:26:55,791 --> 00:26:57,687
don't know that much...

640
00:26:57,928 --> 00:27:02,153
They have problems using the terminal

641
00:27:02,494 --> 00:27:03,648
or installing

642
00:27:04,063 --> 00:27:06,810
programs when they have usually installed Debian,

643
00:27:07,031 --> 00:27:08,678
I will make sure

644
00:27:08,933 --> 00:27:12,634
add that type of tutorials, or

645
00:27:12,826 --> 00:27:14,118
for example

646
00:27:14,406 --> 00:27:15,656
description of something

647
00:27:15,862 --> 00:27:17,400
that will help them, how

648
00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:19,081
to proceed and apply, and

649
00:27:19,404 --> 00:27:21,720
maybe be a successful applicant

650
00:27:21,974 --> 00:27:23,682
for GSoC. So, that's it.

651
00:27:24,153 --> 00:27:25,296
Thank you!

652
00:27:25,606 --> 00:27:29,352
[ audience clapping ]

653
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,200
Hello everyone!

654
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,200
My name is Diellza Shabani

655
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,200
and I also come from Kosovo,

656
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,200
I am a student of Computer Science

657
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,200
and Engineering,

658
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,200
I'm finishing my studies

659
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,200
this year hopefully,

660
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,200
so I am also doing

661
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,200
a Google Summer of Code project,

662
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,200
I haven't prepared any slides,

663
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,200
because I

664
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,200
didn't see it necessary,

665
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,800
so, my project's name is

666
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,800
"Click to dial from

667
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,800
Linux Desktop", and

668
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,800
my mentor is Thomas Levine,

669
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,800
he couldn't join us

670
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,800
at the conference this year,

671
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,800
so, what I have been

672
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,800
working on this project is that

673
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,800
we are three students

674
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,800
on this project, because it's really

675
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,800
a big thing, we started

676
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,800
working in this last year

677
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,800
in the [?] hackathon,

678
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,800
in [?],

679
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,800
we started doing the project

680
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,800
in Python first,

681
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,800
we did some

682
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,130
pop-ups and some really basic things,

683
00:28:57,130 --> 00:28:59,130
...So,

684
00:28:59,130 --> 00:29:01,130
we thought to continue that, but

685
00:29:01,130 --> 00:29:03,130
now that the project is

686
00:29:03,130 --> 00:29:05,130
bigger, and there are three students

687
00:29:05,130 --> 00:29:07,600
doing this, it is separated

688
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,600
in two different things, and

689
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,600
the two other students

690
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,600
are doing something else,

691
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,600
and we plan to do

692
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,600
something like mobile

693
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,600
application,

694
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,530
but still haven't figured it out.

695
00:29:22,530 --> 00:29:24,530
For the moment, we are

696
00:29:24,530 --> 00:29:26,530
doing only a website,

697
00:29:26,530 --> 00:29:28,530
a Web application,

698
00:29:28,530 --> 00:29:30,530
and

699
00:29:30,530 --> 00:29:32,530
we are working on

700
00:29:32,530 --> 00:29:34,530
the existing projects

701
00:29:34,530 --> 00:29:36,530
that Google Summer of Code students have

702
00:29:36,530 --> 00:29:38,530
done before, like Omnitel

703
00:29:38,530 --> 00:29:40,530
and Lumicall

704
00:29:40,530 --> 00:29:42,530
I am basically working on them

705
00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:44,530
and making changes, an doing

706
00:29:44,530 --> 00:29:46,530
task classes

707
00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:48,530
and methods, so...

708
00:29:48,530 --> 00:29:50,530
After we finish that, I think

709
00:29:50,530 --> 00:29:52,530
we will continue with the website, and

710
00:29:52,530 --> 00:29:54,530
hopefully,

711
00:29:54,530 --> 00:29:56,530
because the GSoC is really

712
00:29:56,530 --> 00:29:58,530
coming to an end,

713
00:29:58,530 --> 00:30:00,530
and we have not very much time

714
00:30:00,530 --> 00:30:02,530
left. But...

715
00:30:02,530 --> 00:30:04,530
After this, we will probably be working

716
00:30:04,530 --> 00:30:06,530
in doing the mobile app.

717
00:30:06,530 --> 00:30:08,530
However, this is

718
00:30:08,530 --> 00:30:10,530
all I have to tell

719
00:30:10,530 --> 00:30:12,530
right now about my project

720
00:30:14,530 --> 00:30:16,530
the opportunity to be here and to

721
00:30:16,530 --> 00:30:18,530
present for you guys.

722
00:30:18,530 --> 00:30:20,530
Thank you.

723
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:39,730
OK, so... Can you hear me?

724
00:30:39,730 --> 00:30:42,600
thank you very much, thank you for
OK, so... Can you hear me?

725
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:43,260
OK.
thank you very much, thank you for

726
00:30:43,260 --> 00:30:44,600
OK.

727
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,600
So, hi everyone!

728
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,600
I am not actually a Google Summer of Code student,

729
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,600
but I have been an Outreachy intern

730
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,600
around one year ago.

731
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,600
So, first

732
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,600
before continuing my

733
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,600
talk, I'd like to ask

734
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,600
how many of you are coming from

735
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,600
a social background, and have

736
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,600
studied for computer science or

737
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,600
science-related?

738
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,600
OK, great.

739
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,600
So we got three other people

740
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,600
in the audience. So

741
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,600
I am Kristi Progri, and I am actually,

742
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,600
I finished my university for

743
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,600
international affairs and diplomacy

744
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,600
and in the beginning I thought

745
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,600
that this was exactly the school,

746
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,600
that I'd never ever find something

747
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,600
to do with my life,

748
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,600
but then, I thought that, OK,

749
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,600
probably it would be nice

750
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,600
if I could just merge it with

751
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,600
something that is tech-related,

752
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,600
and free software, since during that time

753
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,600
I was also part of the

754
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,600
free software community

755
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,600
I ended up in the end having a diploma

756
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,600
thesis for on-line diplomacy,

757
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,600
and this was

758
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,600
what kind of opened

759
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,400
the doors further to

760
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:54,600
continue, and to get
the doors further to

761
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,600
continue, and to get

762
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,600
to know more

763
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,600
for political and Internet.

764
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,600
So, I applied

765
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,600
in Mozilla

766
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,600
in a team for taking part

767
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,600
in the Outreachy, working with the

768
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,600
diversity and inclusion team there,

769
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,600
building up the

770
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,600
strategy for conducting

771
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,600
first language interviews, since

772
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,600
one of the barriers that we had during

773
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,600
all this time was that

774
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,600
people coming from different...

775
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,600
different countries

776
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,600
and not speaking

777
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,600
everyone by default English, so

778
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,600
trying to have a strategy

779
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,600
on how to conduct the language...

780
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,600
On how to conduct interviews, and

781
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,600
to grow up communities in the local

782
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,600
aspect, to really help to

783
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,600
take further steps to

784
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,600
all the free software initiatives, and

785
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,600
everything that's regarding to that.

786
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,600
So

787
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,600
this was

788
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,600
kind of the aspect from the field

789
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,600
doing on the Outreachy. For those

790
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,600
who don't know Outreachy, it's

791
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,600
exactly... It is an intership that

792
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,600
that lasts for three months,

793
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,600
it happens twice per year,

794
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,600
it has

795
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,600
kind of the same ideology

796
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,600
as the Google Summer of Code, but

797
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,600
it's also for people that

798
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,600
are not students but have

799
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,600
finished their

800
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,600
studies.

801
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,600
and besides Outreachy and

802
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,600
the Google Summer of Code, there also

803
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,600
are initiatives that

804
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,600
help out students

805
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,600
to continue and

806
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,600
getting on more knowledge regarding

807
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,600
the free software, such as

808
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,600
Rails' Girls Summer of Code,

809
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,600
I don't know if you have heard about that, it is

810
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,600
an internship happening on the

811
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,600
during the summer, it lasts

812
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,600
for three months,

813
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,600
three months I think,

814
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,600
and it's actually

815
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,600
only regarding coding. But

816
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,600
until now, I think, for as far

817
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,600
as I know, Outreachy is the only one

818
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,600
that can,

819
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,600
that requires also people that do not have

820
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,600
technical

821
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,600
skills, or at least that have

822
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,600
not finished for it,

823
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,600
any technical

824
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,600
subject or degree.

825
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,600
So, this was also

826
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,600
my short presentation

827
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,600
to say, and the

828
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,600
last one I think for the session, so

829
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,600
there is anyone in the audience

830
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,600
who'd like to make a question, any

831
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,600
suggestion or comment, please feel free

832
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,600
and thank you very much for

833
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,600
being here.

834
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,530
[ audience clapping ]

835
00:34:42,460 --> 00:34:45,659
[Delib:] Hello. Jaminy,

836
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,330
So many of us are so interested in the

837
00:34:50,330 --> 00:34:52,330
the edges of Debian,

838
00:34:52,330 --> 00:34:54,330
and who is coming, and are they

839
00:34:54,330 --> 00:34:56,330
staying, and you have met

840
00:34:56,330 --> 00:34:58,330
so many mentees,

841
00:34:58,330 --> 00:35:00,330
and talked with so many mentors. Could you share

842
00:35:00,330 --> 00:35:02,330
with us a little bit about

843
00:35:02,330 --> 00:35:04,330
what is working well and

844
00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:06,330
what might work a little better

845
00:35:06,330 --> 00:35:08,330
in the future?

846
00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:15,060
[Jaminy:] So, there are many newcomers

847
00:35:15,060 --> 00:35:17,060
coming from Google Summer of Code,

848
00:35:17,060 --> 00:35:19,060
I think the main thing

849
00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:21,060
that actually happens is they should be

850
00:35:21,060 --> 00:35:23,060
keep motivated and keep working on

851
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after the Google Summer of Code,

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I feel that would be one of the

853
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major things they have to do

854
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even after the Google Summer of Code

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[Delib:] Do you have ideas of how

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community members or the mentors

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could do things differently, so that

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they could stay more motivated?

859
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Stay more interested?

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[Jaminy:] I think the mentors, it's all about the communication,

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I think they should keep communicating

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with the students and keep them

863
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giving suggestions

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and advice in

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them, how can they improve further on

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their projects,

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and how they can keep moving

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keep... Moving on

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further with the project.

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[Delib:] So, listening to what their interests are,

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and giving them ideas on how to

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pursue this interest?

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[Jaminy:] Yes.

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[Tassia:] I have a question: Is it

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...I have the impression that I might be wrong, so

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[Jaminy:] Do you have questions for me, or

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for students? [Tassia:] For you.

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[Jaminy:] OK.

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[Tassia:] Sorry [both laugh]

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But just, for

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what I've been following, for

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the past years, I thing that when students

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enter work with a team

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my impression is that it's easier

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for them to continue working afterwards.

886
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Is it

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in comparison when

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there are ad-hoc projects

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that some times don't

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continue being developed,

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and I think,

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then the motivation might probably...

893
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Do you perceive it? Or

894
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you don't think it makes sense?

895
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[Jaminy:] Currently I'm not, but I hope

896
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to continue after my...

897
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Now I'm currently doing early career,

898
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so I would prefer continuing

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later.

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[Tassia:] No, sorry, I think you didn't understand my question.

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It was about the projects

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within teams,

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like, lets say, the students that work with

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the Perl team, or that work inside

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another team

906
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in comparison with just

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one mentor and one

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mentee

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and if that

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reflects on the

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motivation of the student to continue

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doing work for Debian

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afterwards. Do you thing there is

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a relation, or not?

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[Jaminy:] Yes, I think there

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is, I mean, the

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mentor-mentee relations keeps

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going on?

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eventyally they get your question probably?

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[Delib:] Do you think it's easier for students

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to be part of a team, instead of

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just one mentor?

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[Jaminy:] Yes, I think they

924
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get valious knowledge, so it's better to

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be in a team

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than sticking to one mentor.

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[Andreas:] Do we have some

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statistics? How many of

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the students have entered Debian?

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or not? Because I have had three

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GSoC students, and three Outreachy

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students, and

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none of them

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really remained there. They are intererested,

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they are using Debian, but

936
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my experience

937
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or the result of my experience

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was that I tried to give them tasks

939
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which are easy to end,

940
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which are small tasks,

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and if they go, then that's not

942
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... How many people stayed in Debian?

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[Jaminy:] You mean...

944
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You mean, from the past?

945
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[Andreas:] How many people stayed in Debian?

946
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of the students?

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From the past, yes.

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[?:] I think you can answer

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after the session, because

950
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we run out of time.

951
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[Jaminy:] OK. I'd like to take this opportunity

952
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to thank all the mentors

953
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who made this program successful.

954
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And you can feel free to talk to students

955
00:39:27,860 --> 00:39:29,860
after the session, and give them

956
00:39:29,860 --> 00:39:31,860
suggestions or feedback.

957
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Thank you!

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[ Audience clapping ]