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Herald Angel: Welcome back to the hacc stage
this year on the remote Congress three. We
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are here again to host you an amazing
talk: How proprietary IP and copyright
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models failed society and what we can do
about it by Mario. He will be talking
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about some examples where IP or the
current IP system failed us. And I think
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in general, a lot of people would agree
that not everyone is content with how IP
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works today. So I have nothing more to add
to this. And I give my voice over to
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Mario.
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Mario Behling: Thank you very much. This has been
a very kind introduction and I appreciate
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the support of the entire team and
community. And I'm happy to give this talk
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here today. It's a question that really
concerns me for many years, honestly, more
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than 20 years since I started my journey
in the open source, in the free software
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and the open hardware community. And yeah,
I have quite a few things to share. And so
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but before I talk about all these problems
that we see, especially this year, I want
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to talk about the positives, my experience
over many years, how open systems can
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benefit society and people's lives. And I
want to talk about what I experienced and
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where I connected to people first, because
for me, this is kind of proof that open
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systems can work and that they are ready
to be the mainstream in society. So
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shortly about myself, I'm working here in
Berlin with my company, OpenTec. I lived
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many years in Asia and usually I spend
still a lot of time in Asia every year.
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And actually I stayed there until April.
And when I came back at the beginning of
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the Corona crisis, then to Germany to be
close to my parents and I love learning
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languages so on, not only into tech,
always had this excitement, the kind of
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inspiration when I meet people from other
countries and try to speak their
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languages. And yeah, that's what I really
love. And people don't believe it
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sometimes when they see my photo in the
driver's license where I have long hair
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and I used to play in a rock band. So
that's also in my life. And yeah, I
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believe in open tech as a solution for
many of our global problems. So in 2006,
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for example, I started a journey with a
mesh network community here. And I would
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like to share something that I did there
that I hope to inspire others. And it's a
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video which I want to show you a few
seconds here, to get you into the mood. So
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let me quickly switch to the video. And
here it's from Flo Fleißig and one video
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that I created at that time.
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Video: singing Flo Fleißig, Flo Fleißig,
Flo Fleißig olala. Flo Fleißig, Flo Fleißig,
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Flo Fleißig olala.
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Ich bin Florian, und das ist meine neue
Wohnung. Wir sind gerade hier eingezogen.
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Und, ich hab kein Internet. Jedenfalls
hatte ich keins. Aber in Berlin gibts ja
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Leute, die verschenken Internet. Und das
Allerbeste? Es kommt auch noch durch die
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Luft. Und ich zeig' euch wie.
Kommt mal mit. Hier ist mein
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Wohnzimmer. Kommt rein, kommt rein. Na,
wie sehen die Schuhe aus? Gut. Und das ist
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mein Computer. Und der brauchte Internet.
Und wo kommt das her? Erst mal aus nem
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Kabel. Und das Kabel geht durch die Decke.
So, kommt mit, ich zeig euch wo das hin
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führt. Das ist meine Dachterasse. Und von
hier komm ich immer aufs Dach. Kommt
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schon, kommt schon! Von hier aus kann man
über ganz Berlin gucken. Da hinten ist der
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Fernsehturm. Da kommt mein Internet aber
nicht her. Guckt mal, hier kommt mein
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Kabel raus. Und das geht in ne Tupperbox
da unten. Und da kommt noch Strom hin und
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dann kommt noch 'n anderes Kabel raus
Mario: And I don't want to show the entire
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video. But I want to give you an example.
What I did and how I got into the
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community, how I got excited. So in, for
example, for the free wireless mesh
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community. And I kind of forgot that it
was German, I was switching it in. But
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it's about a guy who gets the Internet
through Wi-Fi, who uses open source
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software, uses networks and like as much
as possible open things, and then like it
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creates a network, participates in a
network and so on. We make videos about
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Wikipedia and so on. So actually, that was
a pretty exciting time because it just
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seemed everything's possible. People were
talking about blogging, changing the media
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and so on. So, yeah, looking back from
2020, it seems kind of like a utopian time
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where we thought so many things are
possible. And then we had like many events
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here called The Wizards of OS, and they
happened like every two years at that
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time. And I was excited. So I went there.
And one year I also got the chance to help
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with the press there. So I met a lot of
the drivers of that time there. So, for
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example, like here in this slide, we see
Volker Grassmuck who organized the
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Wizards of OS, with a team and with a
community. And some people we welcomed
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back then were Jimmy Wales, Lawrence
Lessig. And yeah, that was a really cool
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time with all these people came from all
over the world. And like everything seemed
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possible and and we changed it. So and at
that time, I also, of course, made a video
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with Lawrence Lessig and. Yeah. And he
said something very important for me. It
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is extraordinarily important to have
openness really in every layer of the
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network. The physical infrastructure needs
to have open and free resources, the
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logical and the application needs to be
open and the content layer too has to be
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opened. These things work together to
encourage a wide range of innovation and
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creativity. This just sounded so cool to
me. Everything just needs to be open. And
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yeah, I believe in this until today. And I
see that people around the world and also
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I personally, we have a lot of benefits
through open things. So I finished
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universities then and I wanted to do good.
So I worked in some projects, for example,
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here in Berlin at the TU Berlin, where we
trained Afghans. And I also then had the
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chance to go to Afghanistan with a
position in the Foreign Ministry, they
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funded like some training programs in
Afghanistan. And I went there and yeah,
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that was really cool so I could help
people in the university. We were training
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there. We were doing like presentations,
lectures and so on in the university over
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a period of one year and also worked with
the Goethe institute. Later on I met a
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guy who like crazy from crazy way to think
of it. He started his company in Afghanistan
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and then he collaborated with all kinds of
organization and projects. And at that
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time we got in contact with the one laptop
per child project and we ended up to
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distribute 10,000 OLPCs, the XO laptops in
Afghanistan, but not just distributing
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them. What we actually did is we set up
and networks there so the kids could have
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access to knowledge from the Internet to
Wikipedia. And we even like did all this,
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like we installed a localized Wikipedia
version on a computer. And so you didn't
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have to go all the way to the Internet.
The Internet connection was bad, right,
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like you can imagine, for example, in
Jalalabad, it was really difficult to get
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a good Internet connection. So we set up
like a local server on a Eee PC at that
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time and with like kind of stripped down
version of Wikipedia. And then we had our
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local network there. So. Right. I mean.
Whatever we always talk about we actually really
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tried to make it happen and we did it and
and there were so many more ideas at that
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time. I mean, for example, the Goethe
institute, I had proposed to them back in
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2006, to make a content management system
or a wiki or something like that and
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collect educational materials. And I
thought, like, maybe we could have one or
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two people at the Goethe institute working
on educational materials instead of like
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selling books to kids. And, you know, all
this thing where you have to, like,
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distribute books around the world and so
on. I thought, like, we can do so much.
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And why not start with a German institute?
Unfortunately, already 2006, there wasn't
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any positive feedback. They said, oh,
that's really nice. They wanted to hire me
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right away as for their development
team to to take care of their website, but
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actually I was always interested in
creating open knowledge. And yeah,
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unfortunately, until today, we still have
the problem that the digital divide is
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here right now in in Germany. And yeah,
it's still not there. So unfortunately, no
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progress when I first proposed that 2006
to the Goethe institute. So I stayed
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longer in Asia and later on I went to
Singapore, then to Vietnam, and I started
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a company in Vietnam. We did kind of Linux
systems for the Swiss post. And so that
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was nice, right? I mean, you could earn
income with open source. Fantastic. And we
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had this idea to connect with the global
community. There was always this feeling
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that we are a bit disconnected. Yeah. I
mean, we're in Asia, we see all these
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things happening online and somehow we
don't meet these developers that we
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usually meet at conferences, for example,
in Europe. So we thought we are in Asia.
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It's not just me I'm talking about we,
because, of course, you're always
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embedded. You always meet friends,
developers, designers, a lot of
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community people. So we thought, like,
let's make a event in Asia and here in
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Vietnam and we love FOSS and let's call it
fossasia then because we are in Asia. And
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yeah over the years we developed different
activities and different streams here,
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fossasia.org, where we of course then
develop software and hardware. I mean if
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you have events and when you have events,
I mean then you meet other people and they
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have cool ideas, you have cool ideas. But
it's not that you only talk about it, you
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actually do it. You open a GitHub
repository, for example, and then create a
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project and some projects move forward and
yeah, become real and people use it. So
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one of these projects, for example, is
eventyay.com that we use to organize our
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open source events. And then like we also
connect developers, for example, through
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programs like codeheat. So happy to see
you guys there checking it out. And it
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would be great to see you on one of these
platforms. And yeah, a few pictures of
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people who are contributing and we always
have big numbers. Right. And but like,
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it's not just big numbers, of course, like
people come and go. A lot of people
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register but like then they come back.
Some people continuously work over a long
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time. Maybe you see some familiar faces
here from other events. These are a few of
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the contributors in the fossasia
community. So we have a lot of merged pull
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requests. There are 5,000 developers
registered, as I said, big numbers. You
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know, some people stay, some people go.
It's always come and go. But we have a lot
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of activity going on. We have hackathons
and we have a lot of coding programs. So
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back to 2009, then we started to organize
events here with the help of the GNOME
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community we hosted GNOME.Asia. We started
development. And that's what I say, like
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openness, open systems. They really
bring together people to share
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knowledge and, yeah, to build a better
world. And we continued over many years
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here, for example, fossasia Summit 2011,
where we had a mini debconf. And so we
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were very happy to welcome debian
developers from all over the world.
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That was really nice. And we moved to
different places. For example, Phnom Penh
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in 2014 where we were at Norton University.
People again came from many different
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places. So that was really inspiring. And
not just like summits and events here.
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Also we have coding contests and here,
for example, there's an information event
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about coding, about codeheat in India. So
it's not just us, people actually started
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to make their own events without our help,
so that was really lovely to see here in
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India. And yeah, so then I thought, like,
OK, all this free and open source, it's
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working. We have the software. We have
people working on hardware. How about open
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architecture? And it happened that like I
was in Vietnam and we had a small patch of
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land and we had planned to build a house.
And then we said, why not build something
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really nice, like a slightly bigger where
we can also welcome people from the
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community that we can say that we build an
open source business here and we decided
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to build an open source hotel. So
basically a hotel that uses as much as
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possible open source tools and software
and also a hotel that should have like
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follow the idea of ecology. And so we put
on top of the house, for example, water,
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solar panels that are known to be really
efficient. So the entire building is like
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uses hot water through solar panels, for
example. And of course, we use Linux
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system where people can go to into the
Internet. We use openWRT for our network
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and so on. Whatever is possible,
unfortunately, is not entirely possible.
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Because in Vietnam it's also like guests
are usually supervised by the police. So
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the police demands that you install an app
on the hotel computer and when you submit
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every evening which guests are in the
hotel. So that one is the only laptop that
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runs with Windows, there in the building.
Yeah. And that was cool and then I thought
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like but like what's happening in Germany.
So I went to Germany and I met a lot of
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people who were working on knitting. Yeah,
knitting. And then there were
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people who are interested in fashion and
technology and we thought like, why not
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bring these people together? And there was
also there was also a time where some
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disasters happened, for example, in
Bangladesh. And so we had the, there was a
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building that crashed down. A lot of
people died there and so on. So basically.
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That was big in the news and then there
was big in the news that the textile
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industry harms the environment like in
many different ways, especially in those
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emerging countries. So we thought, what
could we do about it? And the TU Berlin
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and Melanie and Andre, few friends here,
they said, let's make it happen. Let's
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let's make an event happen where we
bring some people together. And, yeah, I
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would like to share another video here
with you to give you some impressions from
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that time.
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German TV Narrator: Computer trifft
auf Mode.
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Auf der MeshCon kamen zum ersten Mal
Softwareentwickler, Strickenthusiasten und
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Vertreter der Textil- und Modeindustrie
zusammen. Entwickelt werden unter anderem
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digitale Strickmaschinen als
umweltschonende Konkurrenz für
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Billiganbieter aus Fernost. Ein nur 3€
teurer WLAN-Chip zum Beispiel ins Hemd
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eingenäht, lässt die Kleidung mitdenken.
Mario: Für den Gesundheitssektor ist das
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sehr interessant, denn hier kann man
sehen, wie verschiedene Parameter
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funktionieren. Man kann den Herzschlag
abnehmen, man kann Blutdruck und so weiter
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dann aufzeichnen und direkt per WLAN
übertragen.
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TV Narrator: Ziel der MeshCon ist es,
durch digitale Anwendungen eine
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umweltfreundliche Textilproduktion nach
Deutschland zurückzuholen.
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Mario: So, yeah, right, I mean, like that
was 2014 and again, you might say, well,
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yeah, it's the same topics that we hear
today. I mean, like that's like six years
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later, right? It's "umweltfreundlich",
environment. Right. Environmental friendly
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textile industry. What can we do with
technologies to improve the situation
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here? And yeah, like this is something
that we can do with free and open source
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hardware. And then we had the CCC event
again that year and there Hong Phuc
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presented her like talk about textile
machines. And there was this vision of a
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open textile production line. That's a
huge thing. And we thought, like, let's
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make a revolution for the textile and
garment industry. The system is broken.
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So already 2014 and onwards like we
already knew that the system is broken.
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And it's just the same situation as today.
And there was a video, I think I don't
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have so much time to show this, but we
have our friends from the hackerspace in
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Munich and different ones like in this
video. I recommend you to you to have a
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look online after this session and the
links and slideshow will be provided. But
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it's really amazing what they do. And it
shows that. Like textile production, local
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production is possible with free and open
tools. We just need to develop them into
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the right direction. And of course, it
takes a lot of resources. So that was one
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cool thing. And then we continue our
fossasia events, of course, here at Phnom
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Penh, for example, we had Pravin. Pravin
was from India and he is a physics teacher
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there, and he introduced to us the idea of
a pocket science lab that he could use for
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himself to teach the students. So we
started that project and it's unbelievable
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what we have now achieved in 2020. We now
have a small science lab here and you can
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find more information on pslab.io. And
this science lab is completely open. Here
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you see the board. So you can connect it,
for example, to a computer, you can
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connect it to a smartphone and you can
start to do experiments. There's a lot
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more work to do, but we have already
achieved versions that people all over the
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world can use. And yeah, even you can
connect small robots and learn about this.
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So that's really cool. And this is, again,
a positive vision. And we produce this in
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China. Of course, I always say local
production, but we do what is possible, of
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course, with fossasia. We have a lot of
connections across Asia. So here we
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actually got the knowledge to do this. We
started a small company that facilitated
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the production. So that's all possible.
And then, of course, it's about education.
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Here we see how people like go around in
different places, for example, a
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Hackerspace Maker Fair in Singapore and
so on, and do this. And then another thing
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that we did, I already mentioned
eventyay.com. We now integrated Jitsi and
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Big Blue Button. Again, a positive example
how you can collaborate in the open
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community. They're like completely
different projects. We don't even know
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always the developers, but we can find
their projects online and we can build
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amazing solutions. So of course, like
always, the Chaos Computer Congress here.
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contributors here from Europe, but also
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like from Asia, come together.
Unfortunately, this year it's not
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possible. But we're really looking forward
to hang out again with you guys so hello
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here from Berlin right now at the moment
to everyone. So this is a great place to
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meet. So we see amazing things are
possible. And I could give you more
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examples from my own life, like free and
open source technologies and knowledge and
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all these things are possible and they
can be an example. But fast forward to
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today. What are the news that we are
seeing? We are seeing information about
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how proprietary IP and copyright models
fail society every day. And let me go
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through a few news here. So, for example,
here already in March: Everything is
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missing. That was reported on
Süddeutsche.de and it was reported that we
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don't even have like the simplest masks
everywhere. And I have to say now it is
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the end of December, 10 months later. And
still my father went to the pharmacy. He's
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85 years. And what happened? They don't
have masks. Yeah. So this is something
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simple. We are living in a high tech
country here in Germany, but. We don't
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have masks. Yeah, and even the masks that
we have, I mean, like, if I would think
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like 10 months have passed, what high
quality, high tech masks could we have
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possibly now if we bring all our knowledge
together? But it is a market focused
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economy here and a market focused society
that we have a lack to even imagine,
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something that could work with a power of
community. And I was very pleased to see
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here our friends from Potsdam and
Brandenburg here giving a talk at the CCC
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about how they took action and produced
masks themselves. And it's unbelievable
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how actually we rely on citizens to take
the initiative where we have like so much
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money in the economy and businesses and
the government. I mean, like, we really
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need to do and change something here. But
this is just like one example. And I want
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to move forward. Then just a few days ago,
I read this here: our health minister,
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they have the right to... We have patents,
right? Like patents and for... People
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do research and they develop like some
kind of formula. They develop a process.
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And so a lot of companies use patents to
ensure they can earn money with this. But
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what happens if there is a war or if
there's a huge crisis like now the
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pandemic? The government is allowed to
stop this. The government is permitted to
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take the patents and say they're invalid,
for example, for some time, and they can
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use, for example, their power here to
produce more vaccinations right? But how
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long do we have to wait until vaccination
is available for everyone? And I mean, six
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months, one year, and then is it available
for everyone around the world? I mean,
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right now, the vaccination like, it's a
business, right? And the companies that
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create the vaccination, they don't have
any interest commercially to quickly
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vaccinate everyone. I mean, you can read
about it on the Internet everywhere. I'm
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not going into detail here. There was also
a talk about patents here at the CCC. So
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this is another bad example, how we fail
society because of our policies. There was
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also this example in the corona crisis
where some media reported that actually a
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company tried to stop makers here in
Milano in Italy, and these makers had
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produced spare parts for ventilators. And
they were really like running out of
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ventilators. And that was a big problem.
And yeah, this company, of course, didn't
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want to help and they couldn't provide
design files to actually save lives! So
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this is just so sad that copyright and
patents actually, you know, like you can
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only be in a loss of words when you think
about it. It's like people die because of
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these kind of like... Yeah, and we have
this here, patents are dying. So there are
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initiatives that actually mention this and
ask European governments to follow up. So
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then another example like I can, I have a
lot of examples. I don't know if I have
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enough time in this talk. But now let's go
to examples here. The pandemic amplifies
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trouble with restrictive licensing and
text e-books. So, of course, education is
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a big topic like students are at home,
they can't get materials that they need.
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You can find examples all around the
world. And then we have the World
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Intellectual Property Organization here,
WIPO. What are they doing? "Copyright and
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Covid-19: Has WIPO learned nothing from
the pandemic?" are the news that we are
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reading here. So basically they don't want
to change their policies. People don't
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have access to education, to knowledge,.
Even the pandemic they have to stay at
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home and it's just not possible to adjust
the policies. Everything is just for
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copyright. WIPO's missed opportunity to
produce guidance on copyright exceptions
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hits education during pandemic. And here,
for example, a quote from a spokesperson
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for African countries. In light of the
Covid-19 pandemic, never before has the
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subject of copyright limitations and
exceptions been more pertinent for
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educational and research purposes. It is
just so clear, he continues: Open source
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publications on health research are
essential to the common human endeavor to
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find a solution to this global health
challenge. Furthermore, children in
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developing countries have been denied
online access to educational research
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material because of copyright
restrictions. This is just unbelievable.
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It is inhumane to learn about this. And
yeah, why did it take so long before
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reading time arrived to distance learning?
Copyright, of course, is a quote here of
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Mike Masnick that I found online. And he
goes on how like, for example, teachers
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have to get permission to use reading
materials online. And it is just silly if
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you think what he says here. No one would
ever expect that if you walked into a
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kindergarten classroom that a teacher
would first need to get a) a permission to
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read aloud a book and b) state before
reading that he or she had permission from
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the copyright holder. This is happening in
kindergartens, it's just insane. So a lot
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more examples and I will switch a bit
forward because I don't have too much time
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here for the entire thing. What else
happened here this year? The youtube-dl
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source repository went offline. The I...
R...I... RIAA used the same law that stops
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farmers, creators and security researchers
from modifying or repairing devices they
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bought and own from tractors and toasters
or smart speakers and smartphones. And we
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could just go on and I think many of you
remember what happened. They just took off
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a source repository, basically without
rights. And of course, my favorite here:
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Apple. Apple crushes one-man repair shop
in Norway's Supreme Court after a three
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year battle. Maybe some people are
confused. I don't know who's listening. If
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you're listening from Germany, if you're
listening from Australia or any other
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country, you could actually find similar
news everywhere in the world where Apple
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prevents people from repairing their
phones or from making any changes to their
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devices. And think about this in regards
to the environment. Do you think this is
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good? If you can't repair your device and
always have to buy something new?
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Definitely not. The example like the EFF
just referred to it in the same path:
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Farmers fight John Deere over who gets to
fix an 800,000$ tractor. So. John Deere is
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one of the biggest like companies that
create machinery, agricultural
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machinery, and they told the copyright
office that farmers don't own their
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tractors because computer code snakes
through the DNA of modern tractors,
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farmers receive an implied license for the
life of the vehicle to operate the
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vehicle. OK, again, copyright and
intellectual property, so-called. And just
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like now, I don't know if people already
have the chance to go through the Brexit
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treaty. What do we read now on the Brexit
treaty? A party shall not require the
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transfer of, or access to the source code
of software owned by a natural or legal
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person of the other party. Basically, this
means. This is a trade agreement, and in
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this trade agreement, we say if, for
example, the EU or Germany, for example,
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demands that any software that we buy from
Britain and if the software is, for
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example, security related or for our power
grid or something like that, we are not
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permitted to ask a British supplier to
open the source code to us. This is like
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how politicians continue here in this
crisis. So it's all heading in the wrong
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direction. And these are just a few
examples. We are living here in a market
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society, but the market is failing to
solve the pandemic, the climate change and
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poverty around the world. This is just
what we see here. And I want now some
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outcome here. I want demands. In my view,
we are in a state of digital emergency. To
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solve the problems of our planet, from
climate change to the pandemic and
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poverty, we need a new open digital deal
for global collaboration. And this is what
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I showed to you before. I showed to you
how, from my own experience, I can
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collaborate and work together with people
all around the world. I can meet them. We
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can create something new. We did create
many things. And in my view, this is an
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example here that we should follow as a
society. And that's why I have demands and
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here's some key things that I think we
need. So of course, we need global
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knowledge sharing to solve our problems.
We need open access to knowledge and
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information. We can't afford anymore to
block access to our books and knowledge.
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And of course, that also means open
science. We shouldn't say open science
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because science is like by definition
already open. But unfortunately, it is not
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always, often scientific sources are not
released. And I think many people who are
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working in science and in university can
talk a lot about this. So local
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production, of course. Of course, it's not
achievable from one moment to the other.
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But right now, like we already saw how,
for example, for some health equipment, we
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are dependent on other regions of the
world. It's very monopolized and
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centralized and for the environment and
for the benefit of a lot of people like
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locals who want to make income. We need a
circular economy. So that, yeah, that is
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important. And of course, like it's an
ongoing topic. And I know a lot of people
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in Asia and in other parts of the world
who suffer because they don't have
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privacy. And yeah, privacy is a human
right, but there are many human rights
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that are violated, unfortunately, all
around the world. Well, probably this list
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can be extended. These are a few key
points that I see. All this is possible
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already today. If we could leverage the
advantage of open collaboration, we have a
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proof. I have a proof that FOSS, open
hardware, open knowledge, open data
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works, openness works. And I want to leave
you in a few moments with this list here
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that I created. My demands for new open
digital deal for global collaboration.
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It's not sorted in a specific order. There
are some thoughts. I think, like if people
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are interested to contact me and work on
this, I'm happy to extend and define this
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list. But here are a few points how we
could achieve in this new open digital
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deal. So we could, for example, declare a
state of digital emergency. I think that's
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what we should do. Digitalnotstand in
German, like it's so apparent, it's on
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every corner and every school are these
problems, companies have these problems
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it's just everywhere. And this demands a
state of digital emergency. We need a new
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vision of openness everywhere. And of
course, we are a market society. But this
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state like is active on so many layers and
so much money is handed out. Where is the
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billion euro funded package to develop
freely licensed open technologies on all
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layers by the European Union? We need this
now and participatory making just needs to
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be everywhere, a makerspace in every
library and substantial tax benefits for
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open source businesses associations as
well. It's not just businesses who improve
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society, it's associations, there are
individuals. There are many different
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forms how you can benefit society and
people around you. And for example I could
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imagine in Germany, a Bundesstiftung Open
Source. And copyright should be defined as
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the right to copy, not is like right now,
it's the other way around. It doesn't make
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sense at all. Right? So, yeah, another
idea, priority for businesses,
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associations and individuals that provide
benefits to society. I think I already
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mentioned that. And all this will help us
with more resilience and the digital
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sovereignity. So we are not dependent on,
like, for example, China or like companies
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in the US. We don't know what they are
doing. And we already experienced like
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what happened, for example, the last few
years with Donald Trump. And yeah. So
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definitely we need to stop the
colonization of Europe and the rest of the
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world by monopolistic platforms. I think
you can imagine which platforms there are.
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And it's even very difficult to get out of
these platforms. And unbelievably, they're
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hardly paying any taxes here in Europe. So
there are gatekeepers everywhere. Privacy
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is a human right. And I will leave you
here with this list that you can also
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review. Afterwards, there's not so much
time left. But I think you understand in
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which direction we need to head. And I
demand that we do this right now. So this
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is my end slide and I'm open for a few
questions. And I hope I can follow up with
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more of you. And there's a fossasia summit
happening in March. We'll do it entirely
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online. And I would be happy to connect
with you guys and with all our friends
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again there. So thank you very much for
this talk. And moving back to the demands,
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I want to leave this as the final slide.
We need openness on all layers, and I'm
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really fed up after twenty years. I have
this experience, but I don't see that we
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really, you know, like it must be on all
layers of society. We can't wait anymore.
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The climate change, pandemic. And maybe
it's not the last pandemic. We don't know.
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All these things are happening and I think
we need to change this now. So thank you
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very much for giving me the opportunity
here for this talk. And I don't know, do
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we still have time for question?
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Herald Angel: Well, we are a bit over time
already, but I think I have three
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questions right here. And I think I'm just
going to ask them. We still have some time
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before the next talk. So are you still
active in the open Internet scene, or
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like Freifunk or like the thing you showed
at the beginning?
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Mario: Yeah, I think right now I'm not
like involved in the Freifunk community,
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but like, of course, like we all use it. I
mean, you know, so it depends, define
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active, right? So definitely I'm
supportive of the network community. And I
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think, like, it's on a lot of different
layers. And I try to do my part to bring
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things forward. I think at the moment, my
main focus personally is on open hardware,
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for example, the pocket science lab. And
I'm also trying to support people who want
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to run events with free and open source
software only. We even see a lot of events
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that, you know, like free and open source
operating systems, but they use closed
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source platforms. I want to help
everyone to move to an open layer. And I
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think the wireless mesh community,
Freifunk and so on, they have been very
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successful already. But in my view, we
need companies, yeah? Because like we are
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in a capitalistic society. So if we try
to, you know, to do too many things at
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once, yeah? Yeah, it's difficult. It's
very difficult. So I'm focusing on more
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narrow things personally, but as I show
here in the demands, I think we can have a
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much wider achievement, if we do this on
different layers, if we for example, if we
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force the government to go into the
copyleft instead of the closed strict
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copyright, you know. We need to
change the policies and like an
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association by itself doesn't have the
same resources as, for example, an entire
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state, and we need this open and free and
open systems must become mainstream.
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Herald Angel: Okay jumping back again into
the open infrastructure like
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infrastructure for everyone. What are your
thoughts on Starlink or if there could be
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a way to make this kind of Starlink open
source open hardware style? Starlink is...
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Mario: I didn't get enough startling? What
is it?
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Herald angel: Starlink is, I think from
Elon Musk, a company trying to get
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internet into all the remotest places via
a satellite mesh network.
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Mario: Sorry, Starlink. Absolutely. So
this is a very good initiative. And of
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course, Elon Musk, even though I thought
many times that he is a supporter of free
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and open source, he's just one figure and
he depends on venture capital. And it's
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not like that he has all the money and
does it. He has a lot of partners there,
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venture capital, and there are limits to
venture capital. They want to make money.
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Their main priority is to make money, while
my main priority is like to do good for
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society. So I'm definitely happy to earn
money to have like a nice glass of wine
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and so on. But right there, there are
limits to this. So I want society to
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benefit as a whole. And if we could have
Starlink, for example, to run entirely
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with open source and like follow an open
approach, and I would be very happy. Definitely.
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Herald Angel: Last question,
we are a bit short on time
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now. Are you more in the organization part
of fossasia or are you more focused on
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single projects?
Mario: OK, so I think it is, it is both,
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yeah, and like honestly, like fossasia, it
sometimes seems like a huge organization
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that people say, oh, so many people
subscribe and this and that. And we do
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events and people ask, how can we also
become like that and so on. Actually, we
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don't do this to become a huge
organization. Of course, like we invite
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everyone to star repositories, to invite us,
to come to events and so on. But it's not
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like for the benefit of like having a lot
of stars or something or having a lot of
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members. Our goal is to bring people
together and also to like I think it's
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much better if they write on their GitHub
profile: I'm a member of a FOSS
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community, then if they say I'm a
Microsoft university student or something
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like that. So a lot of the things that we
do somehow scale because of this community
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effort and one person tells the other. So
even though it might sometimes look big,
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we are actually relatively small, I have
to admit, and I try to support on every
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different layer. So my personal focus
changes over time. So right now, I have a
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strong focus on enabling people to do
online events. And I believe that in many
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parts of the world the virus situation
will continue the way it is now,
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unfortunately. And so we need a solution
to connect to these people and we should
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do this with free and open source.
Herald Angel: Alright I think thats a nice
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way to conclude this talk. No more
questions came in, as for now. So I'm just
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going to say from our side, this talk is
over. I will give the word back to you for
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a few last words and then all the viewers
can go watch another great talk or go
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around in rC3 world.
Mario: So I only would like to say thank
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you very much to the team, it has been an
absolute pleasure and how you helped to
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make everything happen. And it's really
nice to connect with you guys. And I feel
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like I'm really like at the CCC myself, so
and I follow everything. So I appreciate
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all your efforts and what you are doing.
So keep it up and everyone out there and
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let's get on board and let's add more
demands to my demands and let's make them
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happen and bring them to
politics and so on. Unfortunately, the
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Pirate Party is not like, didn't progress
in the way we would have all loved to do
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it. But hopefully we can achieve this in
other ways. So please let us join efforts
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and make all this happen. And new open
digital deal for global collaboration. So
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thank you very much.
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