0:00:00.560,0:00:04.336 I'm going to speak to you[br]about the global refugee crisis 0:00:04.360,0:00:08.176 and my aim is to show you that this crisis 0:00:08.200,0:00:10.800 is manageable, not unsolvable, 0:00:11.960,0:00:17.256 but also show you that this is[br]as much about us and who we are 0:00:17.280,0:00:20.520 as it is a trial of the refugees[br]on the front line. 0:00:21.320,0:00:24.136 For me, this is not[br]just a professional obligation, 0:00:24.160,0:00:29.096 because I run an NGO supporting refugees[br]and displaced people around the world. 0:00:29.120,0:00:30.320 It's personal. 0:00:31.320,0:00:33.120 I love this picture. 0:00:33.920,0:00:36.016 That really handsome guy on the right, 0:00:36.040,0:00:37.240 that's not me. 0:00:37.760,0:00:41.336 That's my dad, Ralph, in London, in 1940 0:00:41.360,0:00:43.160 with his father Samuel. 0:00:43.920,0:00:46.416 They were Jewish refugees from Belgium. 0:00:46.440,0:00:49.760 They fled the day the Nazis invaded. 0:00:50.600,0:00:52.034 And I love this picture, too. 0:00:52.640,0:00:54.800 It's a group of refugee children 0:00:55.480,0:00:58.160 arriving in England in 1946 from Poland. 0:00:59.000,0:01:02.080 And in the middle is my mother, Marion. 0:01:02.640,0:01:05.656 She was sent to start a new life 0:01:05.680,0:01:07.176 in a new country 0:01:07.200,0:01:08.456 on her own 0:01:08.480,0:01:09.920 at the age of 12. 0:01:10.920,0:01:12.536 I know this: 0:01:12.560,0:01:15.816 if Britain had not admitted refugees 0:01:15.840,0:01:17.040 in the 1940s, 0:01:17.800,0:01:20.880 I certainly would not be here today. 0:01:22.240,0:01:26.360 Yet 70 years on,[br]the wheel has come full circle. 0:01:26.840,0:01:29.856 The sound is of walls being built, 0:01:29.880,0:01:32.376 vengeful political rhetoric, 0:01:32.400,0:01:36.080 humanitarian values and principles on fire 0:01:36.760,0:01:40.656 in the very countries[br]that 70 years ago said never again 0:01:40.680,0:01:45.320 to statelessness and hopelessness[br]for the victims of war. 0:01:46.600,0:01:49.280 Last year, every minute, 0:01:50.320,0:01:53.656 24 more people were displaced[br]from their homes 0:01:53.680,0:01:56.200 by conflict, violence and persecution: 0:01:57.160,0:01:59.856 another chemical weapon attack in Syria, 0:01:59.880,0:02:03.336 the Taliban on the rampage in Afghanistan, 0:02:03.360,0:02:08.639 girls driven from their school[br]in northeast Nigeria by Boko Haram. 0:02:09.800,0:02:13.296 These are not people[br]moving to another country 0:02:13.320,0:02:14.560 to get a better life. 0:02:15.280,0:02:16.960 They're fleeing for their lives. 0:02:19.080,0:02:20.280 It's a real tragedy 0:02:21.520,0:02:26.680 that the world's most famous refugee[br]can't come to speak to you here today. 0:02:27.240,0:02:28.960 Many of you will know this picture. 0:02:29.800,0:02:32.416 It shows the lifeless body 0:02:32.440,0:02:34.536 of five-year-old Alan Kurdi, 0:02:34.560,0:02:39.016 a Syrian refugee who died[br]in the Mediterranean in 2015. 0:02:39.040,0:02:43.440 He died alongside 3,700 others[br]trying to get to Europe. 0:02:44.440,0:02:46.000 The next year, 2016, 0:02:46.720,0:02:49.080 5,000 people died. 0:02:50.840,0:02:52.040 It's too late for them, 0:02:53.240,0:02:55.976 but it's not too late[br]for millions of others. 0:02:56.000,0:02:58.048 It's not too late[br]for people like Frederick. 0:02:58.640,0:03:02.136 I met him in the Nyarugusu[br]refugee camp in Tanzania. 0:03:02.160,0:03:03.360 He's from Burundi. 0:03:03.720,0:03:06.296 He wanted to know[br]where could he complete his studies. 0:03:06.320,0:03:09.416 He'd done 11 years of schooling.[br]He wanted a 12th year. 0:03:09.440,0:03:14.056 He said to me, "I pray[br]that my days do not end here 0:03:14.080,0:03:15.280 in this refugee camp." 0:03:16.200,0:03:18.480 And it's not too late for Halud. 0:03:19.480,0:03:22.176 Her parents were Palestinian refugees 0:03:22.200,0:03:25.000 living in the Yarmouk refugee camp[br]outside Damascus. 0:03:25.480,0:03:27.006 She was born to refugee parents, 0:03:27.040,0:03:29.800 and now she's a refugee[br]herself in Lebanon. 0:03:30.520,0:03:34.160 She's working for the International[br]Rescue Committee to help other refugees, 0:03:34.840,0:03:37.816 but she has no certainty at all 0:03:37.840,0:03:39.976 about her future, 0:03:40.000,0:03:41.680 where it is or what it holds. 0:03:42.400,0:03:46.296 This talk is about Frederick, about Halud 0:03:46.320,0:03:47.720 and about millions like them: 0:03:48.320,0:03:50.256 why they're displaced, 0:03:50.280,0:03:54.720 how they survive, what help they need[br]and what our responsibilities are. 0:03:55.600,0:03:57.240 I truly believe this, 0:03:58.440,0:04:01.000 that the biggest question[br]in the 21st century 0:04:01.760,0:04:04.800 concerns our duty to strangers. 0:04:05.320,0:04:08.576 The future "you" is about your duties 0:04:08.600,0:04:09.800 to strangers. 0:04:10.440,0:04:11.816 You know better than anyone, 0:04:11.840,0:04:15.640 the world is more connected[br]than ever before, 0:04:16.519,0:04:18.416 yet the great danger 0:04:18.440,0:04:20.959 is that we're consumed by our divisions. 0:04:22.000,0:04:24.256 And there is no better test of that 0:04:24.280,0:04:26.240 than how we treat refugees. 0:04:26.840,0:04:29.776 Here are the facts: 65 million people 0:04:29.800,0:04:33.016 displaced from their homes[br]by violence and persecution last year. 0:04:33.040,0:04:34.776 If it was a country, 0:04:34.800,0:04:38.080 that would be the 21st[br]largest country in the world. 0:04:38.880,0:04:43.776 Most of those people, about 40 million,[br]stay within their own home country, 0:04:43.800,0:04:45.376 but 25 million are refugees. 0:04:45.400,0:04:48.400 That means they cross a border[br]into a neighboring state. 0:04:49.120,0:04:53.136 Most of them are living in poor countries, 0:04:53.160,0:04:56.176 relatively poor or lower-middle-income[br]countries, like Lebanon, 0:04:56.200,0:04:57.480 where Halud is living. 0:04:58.880,0:05:02.840 In Lebanon, one[br]in four people is a refugee, 0:05:03.560,0:05:06.816 a quarter of the whole population. 0:05:06.840,0:05:08.936 And refugees stay for a long time. 0:05:08.960,0:05:11.056 The average length of displacement 0:05:11.080,0:05:12.280 is 10 years. 0:05:13.320,0:05:17.680 I went to what was the world's[br]largest refugee camp, in eastern Kenya. 0:05:18.080,0:05:19.296 It's called Dadaab. 0:05:19.320,0:05:21.456 It was built in 1991-92 0:05:21.480,0:05:25.400 as a "temporary camp"[br]for Somalis fleeing the civil war. 0:05:25.920,0:05:27.120 I met Silo. 0:05:27.720,0:05:30.536 And naïvely I said to Silo, 0:05:30.560,0:05:32.760 "Do you think you'll ever[br]go home to Somalia?" 0:05:33.880,0:05:35.840 And she said, "What do you mean, go home? 0:05:36.320,0:05:37.520 I was born here." 0:05:38.720,0:05:40.816 And then when I asked the camp management 0:05:40.840,0:05:44.896 how many of the 330,000 people[br]in that camp were born there, 0:05:44.920,0:05:46.120 they gave me the answer: 0:05:47.160,0:05:48.680 100,000. 0:05:49.840,0:05:52.240 That's what long-term displacement means. 0:05:53.440,0:05:55.896 Now, the causes of this are deep: 0:05:55.920,0:05:58.159 weak states that can't[br]support their own people, 0:05:58.840,0:06:01.256 an international political system 0:06:01.280,0:06:03.560 weaker than at any time since 1945 0:06:04.320,0:06:08.416 and differences over theology, governance,[br]engagement with the outside world 0:06:08.440,0:06:10.600 in significant parts of the Muslim world. 0:06:12.680,0:06:15.856 Now, those are long-term,[br]generational challenges. 0:06:15.880,0:06:19.360 That's why I say that this refugee crisis[br]is a trend and not a blip. 0:06:20.360,0:06:24.896 And it's complex, and when you have[br]big, large, long-term, complex problems, 0:06:24.920,0:06:26.800 people think nothing can be done. 0:06:28.120,0:06:30.240 When Pope Francis went to Lampedusa, 0:06:31.360,0:06:32.936 off the coast of Italy, in 2014, 0:06:32.960,0:06:36.256 he accused all of us[br]and the global population 0:06:36.280,0:06:39.720 of what he called[br]"the globalization of indifference." 0:06:40.760,0:06:41.976 It's a haunting phrase. 0:06:42.000,0:06:45.440 It means that our hearts[br]have turned to stone. 0:06:46.560,0:06:48.376 Now, I don't know, you tell me. 0:06:48.400,0:06:52.280 Are you allowed to argue with the Pope,[br]even at a TED conference? 0:06:52.880,0:06:54.296 But I think it's not right. 0:06:54.320,0:06:56.416 I think people do want[br]to make a difference, 0:06:56.440,0:07:00.136 but they just don't know whether[br]there are any solutions to this crisis. 0:07:00.160,0:07:01.976 And what I want to tell you today 0:07:02.000,0:07:05.108 is that though the problems are real,[br]the solutions are real, too. 0:07:05.800,0:07:07.136 Solution one: 0:07:07.160,0:07:10.736 these refugees need to get into work[br]in the countries where they're living, 0:07:10.760,0:07:14.016 and the countries where they're living[br]need massive economic support. 0:07:14.040,0:07:15.920 In Uganda in 2014, they did a study: 0:07:16.680,0:07:19.576 80 percent of refugees[br]in the capital city Kampala 0:07:19.600,0:07:22.336 needed no humanitarian aid[br]because they were working. 0:07:22.360,0:07:23.789 They were supported into work. 0:07:24.400,0:07:26.176 Solution number two: 0:07:26.200,0:07:30.256 education for kids[br]is a lifeline, not a luxury, 0:07:30.280,0:07:31.920 when you're displaced for so long. 0:07:33.480,0:07:37.576 Kids can bounce back when they're given[br]the proper social, emotional support 0:07:37.600,0:07:39.336 alongside literacy and numeracy. 0:07:39.360,0:07:40.560 I've seen it for myself. 0:07:42.680,0:07:46.016 But half of the world's refugee children[br]of primary school age 0:07:46.040,0:07:48.016 get no education at all, 0:07:48.040,0:07:51.416 and three-quarters of secondary school age[br]get no education at all. 0:07:51.440,0:07:52.640 That's crazy. 0:07:53.760,0:07:56.256 Solution number three: 0:07:56.280,0:07:59.736 most refugees are in urban areas,[br]in cities, not in camps. 0:07:59.760,0:08:02.416 What would you or I want[br]if we were a refugee in a city? 0:08:02.440,0:08:05.440 We would want money[br]to pay rent or buy clothes. 0:08:06.600,0:08:08.776 That is the future[br]of the humanitarian system, 0:08:08.800,0:08:10.176 or a significant part of it: 0:08:10.200,0:08:12.856 give people cash so that[br]you boost the power of refugees 0:08:12.880,0:08:14.856 and you'll help the local economy. 0:08:14.880,0:08:16.856 And there's a fourth solution, too, 0:08:16.880,0:08:19.616 that's controversial[br]but needs to be talked about. 0:08:19.640,0:08:23.136 The most vulnerable refugees[br]need to be given a new start 0:08:23.160,0:08:25.240 and a new life in a new country, 0:08:26.120,0:08:27.320 including in the West. 0:08:28.080,0:08:31.640 The numbers are relatively small,[br]hundreds of thousands, not millions, 0:08:32.320,0:08:35.000 but the symbolism is huge. 0:08:35.880,0:08:38.576 Now is not the time[br]to be banning refugees, 0:08:38.600,0:08:40.416 as the Trump administration proposes. 0:08:40.440,0:08:43.640 It's a time to be embracing people[br]who are victims of terror. 0:08:44.159,0:08:45.376 And remember -- 0:08:45.400,0:08:47.960 (Applause) 0:08:52.480,0:08:56.216 Remember, anyone who asks you,[br]"Are they properly vetted?" 0:08:56.240,0:08:59.440 that's a really sensible[br]and good question to ask. 0:09:00.280,0:09:04.416 The truth is, refugees[br]arriving for resettlement 0:09:04.440,0:09:08.096 are more vetted than any other population[br]arriving in our countries. 0:09:08.120,0:09:10.256 So while it's reasonable[br]to ask the question, 0:09:10.280,0:09:14.160 it's not reasonable to say that refugee[br]is another word for terrorist. 0:09:15.120,0:09:16.336 Now, what happens -- 0:09:16.360,0:09:19.736 (Applause) 0:09:19.760,0:09:22.896 What happens when refugees can't get work, 0:09:22.920,0:09:24.776 they can't get their kids into school, 0:09:24.800,0:09:27.856 they can't get cash,[br]they can't get a legal route to hope? 0:09:27.880,0:09:29.960 What happens is they take risky journeys. 0:09:30.440,0:09:35.176 I went to Lesbos, this beautiful[br]Greek island, two years ago. 0:09:35.200,0:09:37.056 It's a home to 90,000 people. 0:09:37.080,0:09:40.560 In one year, 500,000 refugees[br]went across the island. 0:09:41.240,0:09:43.056 And I want to show you what I saw 0:09:43.080,0:09:46.416 when I drove across[br]to the north of the island: 0:09:46.440,0:09:49.920 a pile of life jackets[br]of those who had made it to shore. 0:09:50.840,0:09:52.416 And when I looked closer, 0:09:52.440,0:09:54.896 there were small[br]life jackets for children, 0:09:54.920,0:09:56.296 yellow ones. 0:09:56.320,0:09:57.560 And I took this picture. 0:09:58.480,0:10:01.616 You probably can't see the writing,[br]but I want to read it for you. 0:10:01.640,0:10:04.710 "Warning: will not[br]protect against drowning." 0:10:05.920,0:10:07.480 So in the 21st century, 0:10:08.440,0:10:10.696 children are being given life jackets 0:10:10.720,0:10:12.856 to reach safety in Europe 0:10:12.880,0:10:16.216 even though those jackets[br]will not save their lives 0:10:16.240,0:10:18.840 if they fall out of the boat[br]that is taking them there. 0:10:20.800,0:10:24.200 This is not just a crisis, it's a test. 0:10:25.760,0:10:28.680 It's a test that civilizations[br]have faced down the ages. 0:10:29.560,0:10:31.120 It's a test of our humanity. 0:10:32.000,0:10:34.296 It's a test of us in the Western world 0:10:34.320,0:10:36.520 of who we are and what we stand for. 0:10:39.160,0:10:41.800 It's a test of our character,[br]not just our policies. 0:10:42.960,0:10:45.136 And refugees are a hard case. 0:10:45.160,0:10:47.480 They do come from faraway[br]parts of the world. 0:10:48.160,0:10:49.600 They have been through trauma. 0:10:50.080,0:10:52.176 They're often of a different religion. 0:10:52.200,0:10:55.376 Those are precisely the reasons[br]we should be helping refugees, 0:10:55.400,0:10:56.840 not a reason not to help them. 0:10:57.400,0:11:00.600 And it's a reason to help them[br]because of what it says about us. 0:11:02.480,0:11:04.320 It's revealing of our values. 0:11:05.120,0:11:10.080 Empathy and altruism are two[br]of the foundations of civilization. 0:11:11.320,0:11:13.736 Turn that empathy and altruism into action 0:11:13.760,0:11:16.000 and we live out a basic moral credo. 0:11:16.960,0:11:19.216 And in the modern world,[br]we have no excuse. 0:11:19.240,0:11:23.336 We can't say we don't know[br]what's happening in Juba, South Sudan, 0:11:23.360,0:11:24.936 or Aleppo, Syria. 0:11:24.960,0:11:27.856 It's there, in our smartphone 0:11:27.880,0:11:29.256 in our hand. 0:11:29.280,0:11:31.856 Ignorance is no excuse at all. 0:11:31.880,0:11:36.280 Fail to help, and we show[br]we have no moral compass at all. 0:11:37.080,0:11:40.160 It's also revealing about[br]whether we know our own history. 0:11:40.960,0:11:43.456 The reason that refugees[br]have rights around the world 0:11:43.480,0:11:46.256 is because of extraordinary[br]Western leadership 0:11:46.280,0:11:48.616 by statesmen and women[br]after the Second World War 0:11:48.640,0:11:50.600 that became universal rights. 0:11:51.640,0:11:55.280 Trash the protections of refugees,[br]and we trash our own history. 0:11:56.400,0:11:57.616 This is -- 0:11:57.640,0:11:59.336 (Applause) 0:11:59.360,0:12:03.376 This is also revealing[br]about the power of democracy 0:12:03.400,0:12:05.656 as a refuge from dictatorship. 0:12:05.680,0:12:07.880 How many politicians have you heard say, 0:12:08.760,0:12:13.080 "We believe in the power of our example,[br]not the example of our power." 0:12:13.600,0:12:17.280 What they mean is what we stand for[br]is more important than the bombs we drop. 0:12:18.360,0:12:20.160 Refugees seeking sanctuary 0:12:20.800,0:12:24.640 have seen the West as a source[br]of hope and a place of haven. 0:12:26.720,0:12:28.640 Russians, Iranians, 0:12:29.480,0:12:31.776 Chinese, Eritreans, Cubans, 0:12:31.800,0:12:34.400 they've come to the West for safety. 0:12:35.480,0:12:37.160 We throw that away at our peril. 0:12:38.120,0:12:40.376 And there's one other thing[br]it reveals about us: 0:12:40.400,0:12:42.734 whether we have any humility[br]for our own mistakes. 0:12:43.320,0:12:45.176 I'm not one of these people 0:12:45.200,0:12:48.536 who believes that all the problems[br]in the world are caused by the West. 0:12:48.560,0:12:49.776 They're not. 0:12:49.800,0:12:52.160 But when we make mistakes,[br]we should recognize it. 0:12:52.880,0:12:55.376 It's not an accident[br]that the country which has taken 0:12:55.400,0:12:57.656 more refugees than any other,[br]the United States, 0:12:57.680,0:13:00.960 has taken more refugees from Vietnam[br]than any other country. 0:13:01.960,0:13:03.160 It speaks to the history. 0:13:04.200,0:13:06.880 But there's more recent history,[br]in Iraq and Afghanistan. 0:13:07.560,0:13:11.296 You can't make up[br]for foreign policy errors 0:13:11.320,0:13:12.896 by humanitarian action, 0:13:12.920,0:13:16.816 but when you break something,[br]you have a duty to try to help repair it, 0:13:16.840,0:13:19.120 and that's our duty now. 0:13:21.520,0:13:23.656 Do you remember[br]at the beginning of the talk, 0:13:23.680,0:13:26.176 I said I wanted to explain[br]that the refugee crisis 0:13:26.200,0:13:27.840 was manageable, not insoluble? 0:13:29.040,0:13:31.656 That's true. I want you[br]to think in a new way, 0:13:31.680,0:13:34.400 but I also want you to do things. 0:13:35.680,0:13:37.856 If you're an employer, 0:13:37.880,0:13:39.080 hire refugees. 0:13:40.440,0:13:43.256 If you're persuaded by the arguments, 0:13:43.280,0:13:44.776 take on the myths 0:13:44.800,0:13:47.040 when family or friends[br]or workmates repeat them. 0:13:48.440,0:13:50.696 If you've got money, give it to charities 0:13:50.720,0:13:53.496 that make a difference[br]for refugees around the world. 0:13:53.520,0:13:54.720 If you're a citizen, 0:13:56.040,0:13:58.376 vote for politicians 0:13:58.400,0:14:02.016 who will put into practice[br]the solutions that I've talked about. 0:14:02.040,0:14:06.256 (Applause) 0:14:06.280,0:14:08.456 The duty to strangers 0:14:08.480,0:14:10.456 shows itself 0:14:10.480,0:14:13.016 in small ways and big, 0:14:13.040,0:14:14.760 prosaic and heroic. 0:14:15.800,0:14:17.200 In 1942, 0:14:18.600,0:14:20.976 my aunt and my grandmother[br]were living in Brussels 0:14:21.000,0:14:22.280 under German occupation. 0:14:24.000,0:14:25.600 They received a summons 0:14:26.360,0:14:30.200 from the Nazi authorities[br]to go to Brussels Railway Station. 0:14:32.280,0:14:35.360 My grandmother immediately thought[br]something was amiss. 0:14:36.720,0:14:39.216 She pleaded with her relatives 0:14:39.240,0:14:41.360 not to go to Brussels Railway Station. 0:14:42.240,0:14:43.800 Her relatives said to her, 0:14:45.440,0:14:48.216 "If we don't go,[br]if we don't do what we're told, 0:14:48.240,0:14:49.907 then we're going to be in trouble." 0:14:50.760,0:14:52.696 You can guess what happened 0:14:52.720,0:14:55.244 to the relatives who went[br]to Brussels Railway Station. 0:14:56.160,0:14:57.446 They were never seen again. 0:14:58.160,0:14:59.800 But my grandmother and my aunt, 0:15:00.720,0:15:03.256 they went to a small village 0:15:03.280,0:15:04.640 south of Brussels 0:15:05.720,0:15:09.256 where they'd been on holiday[br]in the decade before, 0:15:09.280,0:15:12.936 and they presented themselves[br]at the house of the local farmer, 0:15:12.960,0:15:15.040 a Catholic farmer called Monsieur Maurice, 0:15:15.840,0:15:17.880 and they asked him to take them in. 0:15:18.880,0:15:20.536 And he did, 0:15:20.560,0:15:22.280 and by the end of the war, 0:15:22.920,0:15:26.520 17 Jews, I was told,[br]were living in that village. 0:15:28.360,0:15:30.336 And when I was teenager, I asked my aunt, 0:15:30.360,0:15:32.400 "Can you take me to meet[br]Monsieur Maurice?" 0:15:33.400,0:15:36.616 And she said, "Yeah, I can.[br]He's still alive. Let's go and see him." 0:15:36.640,0:15:38.440 And so, it must have been '83, '84, 0:15:39.320,0:15:40.696 we went to see him. 0:15:40.720,0:15:43.536 And I suppose, like only a teenager could, 0:15:43.560,0:15:44.816 when I met him, 0:15:44.840,0:15:48.296 he was this white-haired gentleman, 0:15:48.320,0:15:49.520 I said to him, 0:15:51.160,0:15:52.360 "Why did you do it? 0:15:53.400,0:15:56.160 Why did you take that risk?" 0:15:57.240,0:15:58.976 And he looked at me and he shrugged, 0:15:59.000,0:16:00.520 and he said, in French, 0:16:01.240,0:16:02.576 "On doit." 0:16:02.600,0:16:03.800 "One must." 0:16:04.280,0:16:06.520 It was innate in him. 0:16:07.120,0:16:08.376 It was natural. 0:16:08.400,0:16:12.616 And my point to you is it should be[br]natural and innate in us, too. 0:16:12.640,0:16:13.840 Tell yourself, 0:16:15.080,0:16:17.576 this refugee crisis is manageable, 0:16:17.600,0:16:19.176 not unsolvable, 0:16:19.200,0:16:20.520 and each one of us 0:16:21.320,0:16:25.216 has a personal responsibility[br]to help make it so. 0:16:25.240,0:16:29.416 Because this is about the rescue[br]of us and our values 0:16:29.440,0:16:32.296 as well as the rescue[br]of refugees and their lives. 0:16:32.320,0:16:33.616 Thank you very much indeed. 0:16:33.640,0:16:36.760 (Applause) 0:16:45.120,0:16:47.976 Bruno Giussani: David, thank you.[br]David Miliband: Thank you. 0:16:48.000,0:16:49.576 BG: Those are strong suggestions 0:16:49.600,0:16:52.776 and your call for individual[br]responsibility is very strong as well, 0:16:52.800,0:16:55.016 but I'm troubled[br]by one thought, and it's this: 0:16:55.040,0:16:59.056 you mentioned, and these are your words,[br]"extraordinary Western leadership" 0:16:59.080,0:17:00.936 which led 60-something years ago 0:17:00.960,0:17:03.016 to the whole discussion[br]about human rights, 0:17:03.040,0:17:05.760 to the conventions on refugees, etc. etc. 0:17:07.240,0:17:09.616 That leadership[br]happened after a big trauma 0:17:09.640,0:17:13.616 and happened in[br]a consensual political space, 0:17:13.640,0:17:15.776 and now we are[br]in a divisive political space. 0:17:15.800,0:17:18.536 Actually, refugees have become[br]one of the divisive issues. 0:17:18.560,0:17:20.520 So where will leadership come from today? 0:17:21.160,0:17:23.616 DM: Well, I think that you're right to say 0:17:23.640,0:17:26.040 that the leadership forged in war 0:17:26.760,0:17:29.016 has a different temper[br]and a different tempo 0:17:29.040,0:17:30.296 and a different outlook 0:17:30.320,0:17:33.000 than leadership forged in peace. 0:17:33.560,0:17:37.296 And so my answer would be[br]the leadership has got to come from below, 0:17:37.320,0:17:38.776 not from above. 0:17:38.800,0:17:42.136 I mean, a recurring theme[br]of the conference this week 0:17:42.160,0:17:45.976 has been about[br]the democratization of power. 0:17:46.000,0:17:48.176 And we've got to preserve[br]our own democracies, 0:17:48.200,0:17:50.696 but we've got to also activate[br]our own democracies. 0:17:50.720,0:17:52.536 And when people say to me, 0:17:52.560,0:17:54.416 "There's a backlash against refugees," 0:17:54.440,0:17:55.696 what I say to them is, 0:17:55.720,0:17:57.816 "No, there's a polarization, 0:17:57.840,0:17:59.056 and at the moment, 0:17:59.080,0:18:01.080 those who are fearful[br]are making more noise 0:18:01.104,0:18:02.616 than those who are proud." 0:18:02.640,0:18:06.616 And so my answer to your question[br]is that we will sponsor and encourage 0:18:06.640,0:18:08.416 and give confidence to leadership 0:18:08.440,0:18:10.216 when we mobilize ourselves. 0:18:10.240,0:18:13.536 And I think that when you are[br]in a position of looking for leadership, 0:18:13.560,0:18:14.896 you have to look inside 0:18:14.920,0:18:16.616 and mobilize in your own community 0:18:16.640,0:18:19.856 to try to create conditions[br]for a different kind of settlement. 0:18:19.880,0:18:22.096 BG: Thank you, David.[br]Thanks for coming to TED. 0:18:22.120,0:18:25.520 (Applause)