0:00:07.500,0:00:09.350 Arequipa,[br]333 Puente Bolognesi Street 0:00:09.380,0:00:11.160 Inspiration [br]-The inspiration came mainly 0:00:11.230,0:00:16.320 from a desire to promote[br]the visual arts, music, drama, 0:00:16.416,0:00:19.527 all types of artistic expression[br]in the city. 0:00:19.530,0:00:21.858 This is what led[br]to the birth of 0:00:21.858,0:00:23.149 Tambo de Bronce. 0:00:23.149,0:00:24.620 -It has been here[br]for three years. 0:00:24.690,0:00:28.213 We hold digital photography workshops, 0:00:28.213,0:00:31.840 I teach the music workshop,[br]workshops for percussion, 0:00:31.840,0:00:33.864 for different types[br]of instruments. 0:00:33.864,0:00:36.646 We also hold concerts,[br]exhibitions, etc. 0:00:36.646,0:00:40.071 -Our principles, which we've[br]held from the start 0:00:40.071,0:00:41.674 and which we want[br]to maintain, 0:00:41.674,0:00:45.717 are self management[br]and alternative education. 0:00:45.717,0:00:47.945 Tambo de Bronce[br]is independent 0:00:47.946,0:00:52.483 but it's open to any proposals,[br]which can be put to us 0:00:52.483,0:00:56.110 and if they're for the good[br]of the community 0:00:56.110,0:00:58.649 and society, then they are[br]very welcome. 0:00:59.059,0:01:00.688 History 0:01:00.688,0:01:02.228 -Tambos have existed[br]since early times, 0:01:02.228,0:01:07.079 since the times of the Incas,[br]or even earlier. 0:01:07.089,0:01:09.376 They are places where travellers 0:01:09.376,0:01:12.018 stop to rest after their journey.[br]That's a tambo. 0:01:12.018,0:01:14.766 There was one here; all[br]around here were tambos. 0:01:14.766,0:01:16.838 That's why it's called[br]Tambo de Bronce. 0:01:16.847,0:01:19.615 It started off as[br]a sculptor's workshop. 0:01:19.616,0:01:23.141 Then we came with a friend[br]to see it 0:01:23.141,0:01:25.258 and there were sculptures.[br]The place was abandoned. 0:01:25.258,0:01:27.183 It hadn't been used[br]for a long time. 0:01:27.197,0:01:31.187 Then they let us have[br]the place. 0:01:31.187,0:01:33.294 As the rent is so cheap, 0:01:33.314,0:01:37.766 it's affordable for us[br]to self-manage it. 0:01:37.766,0:01:40.282 Then the idea occurred to us,[br]three years ago, 0:01:40.282,0:01:44.403 that we should use it to hold[br]workshops and concerts, etc. 0:01:44.403,0:01:46.880 Three years ago[br]there was nothing. 0:01:46.880,0:01:49.056 -We often want to do[br]new projects. 0:01:49.066,0:01:51.607 We have asked for[br]a children's home, 0:01:51.607,0:01:53.324 and a gallery[br]to hold exhibitions, 0:01:53.324,0:01:55.198 and often, because of[br]the bureaucracy, 0:01:55.198,0:01:56.518 the process is long. 0:01:56.522,0:01:59.540 Just like the initiative[br]to open this venue 0:01:59.540,0:02:01.750 was delayed by bureaucracy. 0:02:01.750,0:02:03.992 If you have a work of art,[br]a project 0:02:03.992,0:02:05.414 you can come and[br]exhibit it here. 0:02:05.414,0:02:10.046 The Audience[br]Our stated aim was to work 0:02:10.061,0:02:14.607 mainly with children,[br]young people and teenagers. 0:02:14.633,0:02:20.649 But we also see[br]adults and older people, 0:02:20.684,0:02:22.660 and children come [br]to see what we offer, 0:02:22.668,0:02:24.288 and we see their interest. [br] 0:02:24.298,0:02:27.178 We involve all sorts of people,[br]because of their interest, 0:02:27.204,0:02:31.344 their love and their passion[br]for something, 0:02:31.344,0:02:33.726 whether it's photography,[br]painting or music. 0:02:33.726,0:02:36.666 They're all here,[br]which is a good thing. 0:02:36.676,0:02:38.066 Organisation 0:02:38.096,0:02:40.394 Now we're working on[br]becoming an association. 0:02:40.404,0:02:43.625 That will give us the tools[br]we're looking for 0:02:43.634,0:02:45.876 to obtain grants[br]for all sorts of things 0:02:45.876,0:02:49.371 that we need in order to [br]expand the project further. 0:02:49.381,0:02:51.871 Decisions are always taken[br]by all of us together. 0:02:51.881,0:02:53.851 We discuss things a lot. 0:02:53.851,0:02:54.951 Communication 0:02:54.951,0:02:57.171 The Tambo's[br]communication networks 0:02:57.181,0:03:00.184 are mostly virtual ones,[br]which are faster 0:03:00.184,0:03:03.469 and we also network through[br]other cultural centres 0:03:03.469,0:03:07.135 and television, as we have[br]slots in the programmes 0:03:07.155,0:03:09.125 that are made in Arequipa. 0:03:09.125,0:03:10.676 What I am slightly critical of[br]is that 0:03:10.716,0:03:13.476 we need more mass[br]communication media, 0:03:13.486,0:03:16.318 like radios, to have[br]a real impact 0:03:16.318,0:03:19.625 but in our work it's difficult. 0:03:19.625,0:03:22.509 To secure truly mass media[br]is very difficult 0:03:22.509,0:03:25.904 as it's expensive; it's like[br]a closed door to us. 0:03:25.914,0:03:29.932 -We work with a few[br]other cultural centres 0:03:29.932,0:03:34.157 that have opened[br]over the last few years. 0:03:34.157,0:03:35.961 One is called Pucara Bulls, 0:03:35.961,0:03:40.445 and we mostly work with them[br]on promotion. 0:03:40.445,0:03:43.017 They promote their events[br]through our channels, 0:03:43.017,0:03:45.767 and we promote[br]our events through theirs. 0:03:45.767,0:03:47.937 As we and they have[br]different databases, 0:03:47.947,0:03:51.485 in this way we can[br]reach more people. 0:03:51.500,0:03:52.820 Sustainability 0:03:52.820,0:03:56.189 Speaking of the Tambo's[br]sustainability, 0:03:56.189,0:03:58.649 at the moment it is[br]self sustaining. 0:03:58.659,0:04:02.449 It has been self managed[br]since it opened, until now. 0:04:02.472,0:04:04.053 -Sometimes we do work[br]for events; 0:04:04.063,0:04:06.533 There's a part of the Tambo[br]that makes 0:04:06.533,0:04:12.173 stretched canvases[br]for events, 0:04:12.197,0:04:14.877 and part of the income earned[br]goes to the Tambo. 0:04:14.877,0:04:16.627 We put on shows[br]every Thursday 0:04:16.627,0:04:20.643 that we call the [br]Tambo Sessions. 0:04:20.653,0:04:25.953 We also sell things,[br]like food and drinks. [br] 0:04:25.963,0:04:30.043 All of this, and the fact that[br]this place is so cheap to rent, 0:04:30.043,0:04:32.873 make it possible for us[br]to continue working. 0:04:32.873,0:04:34.922 If, for some reason,[br]something happens, 0:04:34.922,0:04:37.262 and we need money,[br]we put on an event. 0:04:37.262,0:04:38.372 Integration 0:04:38.372,0:04:40.722 The idea was just to[br]create a venue 0:04:40.739,0:04:42.729 for small audiences,[br]but the moment that 0:04:42.729,0:04:44.910 people see that it's something[br]different in the city, 0:04:44.910,0:04:46.808 and that there's[br]nothing like it, 0:04:46.808,0:04:48.491 they decide that[br]Tambo de Bronce 0:04:48.491,0:04:52.295 is one of their favourite[br]cultural venues. 0:04:52.335,0:04:54.805 We always have plenty[br]of activities. 0:04:54.805,0:04:56.779 It's the only cultural venue[br]to stay open 0:04:56.779,0:04:59.365 for three years in Arequipa;[br]it has not closed, 0:04:59.365,0:05:02.618 and continues to promote[br]new alternatives 0:05:02.618,0:05:05.038 and culture in general. 0:05:05.041,0:05:08.679 -We've worked with schools,[br]and brought children here. 0:05:08.679,0:05:11.685 -We work with[br]cultural groups. 0:05:11.685,0:05:14.445 There are independent[br]festivals organised 0:05:14.466,0:05:17.786 in the city that often ask us[br]to work with them. 0:05:17.807,0:05:19.657 We are prepared to help with 0:05:19.707,0:05:21.427 the logistical side,[br]the production, 0:05:21.473,0:05:23.473 the work that is our[br]area of expertise. 0:05:23.473,0:05:26.591 Culture in Arequipa[br]There are fewer and fewer 0:05:26.591,0:05:29.631 venues open[br]to the people of the city. 0:05:29.639,0:05:31.569 There are venues[br]possibly, which 0:05:31.579,0:05:33.859 you can access if you have[br]an invitation, 0:05:33.859,0:05:36.856 or you are a member,[br]or you can pay. 0:05:36.856,0:05:40.126 We think art should be[br]among the people, 0:05:40.126,0:05:41.976 in the neighbourhoods,[br]where it belongs 0:05:41.997,0:05:43.316 and where it's most needed. 0:05:43.316,0:05:45.574 Arequipa's cultural centres,[br]one by one, 0:05:45.595,0:05:46.964 have been closing down. 0:05:46.975,0:05:50.284 We used to have one[br]dedicated to theatre, 0:05:50.284,0:05:52.325 called La Comuna;[br]it closed two years ago, 0:05:52.325,0:05:56.435 due to problems with the local[br]council, that sort of thing. 0:05:56.454,0:05:58.715 It's illogical that[br]the local councils, 0:05:58.725,0:06:00.644 instead of promoting us,[br]and realising 0:06:00.644,0:06:02.634 'They're doing our work, so 0:06:02.638,0:06:05.338 give them the permits[br]and support they need', 0:06:05.338,0:06:07.108 they shut us down;[br]it's illogical. 0:06:07.128,0:06:09.002 They won't do it, and they[br]won't let us do it. 0:06:09.012,0:06:11.898 -There was a story[br]in the newspaper 0:06:11.898,0:06:14.388 that the council had[br]one and a half million dollars 0:06:14.418,0:06:15.996 as a budget for culture 0:06:15.996,0:06:18.016 and they returned it[br]to central govenrment 0:06:18.033,0:06:20.213 in Lima because they didn't[br]know how to use it. 0:06:20.223,0:06:22.054 The same officials[br]in charge of culture 0:06:22.064,0:06:24.753 have been there for 20 years. 0:06:24.783,0:06:27.543 They just rotate posts[br]so that it looks like 0:06:27.554,0:06:30.744 they're not in the same post[br]for 20 years. 0:06:30.754,0:06:33.344 -Sadly, where culture is[br]concerned, it seems 0:06:33.344,0:06:36.633 the only thing the council[br]sees as important is 0:06:36.633,0:06:41.283 the festival for the Day of[br]Arequipa, the parades. 0:06:41.283,0:06:43.386 Although there are other important things, 0:06:43.406,0:06:44.699 all the money goes[br]to that,[br] 0:06:44.749,0:06:46.717 all the budget goes there,[br]all the logistics, 0:06:46.728,0:06:48.608 and all the human resources. 0:06:48.608,0:06:51.328 And the other things, [br]the alternative culture, 0:06:51.328,0:06:54.558 just have to be undertaken[br]by the artists themselves. 0:06:54.578,0:06:58.664 -To be really effective in[br]a job like that, 0:06:58.684,0:07:01.324 a person must be[br]a cultural manager, 0:07:01.365,0:07:02.615 they need to have[br]studied the subject. 0:07:02.644,0:07:04.824 They must have experience[br]and be an artist. 0:07:04.835,0:07:07.685 They also need to know[br]what they're doing. 0:07:07.685,0:07:09.255 But if you talk to those people,[br] 0:07:09.275,0:07:12.885 they know nothing about it,[br]so they can't make 0:07:12.925,0:07:18.985 an informed decision on any[br]problem they face in their job. 0:07:18.985,0:07:22.885 There's also the fact[br]that the universities 0:07:22.885,0:07:24.845 are not interested either. 0:07:24.865,0:07:27.095 So the public are not[br]trained in this either; 0:07:27.108,0:07:32.698 it's as if in this area[br]everything is decaying. 0:07:32.718,0:07:36.628 There needs to be a change[br]in the form of a national policy. 0:07:36.628,0:07:38.346 Struggles 0:07:38.346,0:07:40.596 Integration was a problem[br]at the start. 0:07:40.636,0:07:42.456 This is a traditional[br]neighbourhood 0:07:42.476,0:07:45.486 in which people are used[br]to a quiet life. 0:07:45.486,0:07:47.466 We musicians came along, 0:07:47.466,0:07:52.476 making a racket every day,[br]playing drums; 0:07:52.476,0:07:54.676 the first problem is[br]being accepted. 0:07:54.676,0:07:56.436 It's the same with[br]other cultural centres. 0:07:56.486,0:07:59.006 In Lima there was a lady, who[br]sang in a Blues band, 0:07:59.019,0:08:00.899 who told me that[br]with her centre 0:08:00.899,0:08:03.869 the first problem, apart from[br]the council, was the residents, 0:08:03.906,0:08:07.667 getting them to understand[br]that what we do is our job. 0:08:07.667,0:08:12.247 It's not just a bit of fun or[br]something casual. 0:08:12.247,0:08:14.617 I believe that's the first barrier 0:08:14.617,0:08:16.147 that slowly had[br]to be overcome. 0:08:16.147,0:08:18.827 We've lasted three years[br]and we're still going. 0:08:18.827,0:08:23.487 The council is one endless[br]problem and the other 0:08:23.487,0:08:28.026 is communication with[br]other cultural centres. 0:08:28.026,0:08:30.622 Communication is lost,[br]I don't know 0:08:30.632,0:08:33.602 whether through envy or[br]through personal inclination. 0:08:33.622,0:08:35.552 We get dragged into it a lot. 0:08:35.622,0:08:37.013 Perhaps if each centre[br]were ... 0:08:37.023,0:08:40.102 'Your centre is for theatre,[br]mine is for poetry', 0:08:40.102,0:08:41.862 we'd get on better together; 0:08:41.902,0:08:44.980 'My centre is underground,[br]yous is half naturist'. 0:08:44.990,0:08:47.010 No, we won't go down[br]that road, 0:08:47.020,0:08:51.301 and there are many disputes;[br]it holds back progress 0:08:51.378,0:08:54.308 and is one of the biggest tests 0:08:54.418,0:08:58.858 we face, because the people[br]and the artists 0:08:58.918,0:09:03.508 are not used[br]to working together. 0:09:03.524,0:09:06.344 Instead of uniting,[br]they become divided, 0:09:06.344,0:09:07.934 that is the great problem. 0:09:07.934,0:09:11.804 -I believe another problem[br]is how to reach more people, 0:09:11.804,0:09:15.314 to have better means[br]of communication, 0:09:15.314,0:09:17.984 because our networks are[br]wide, but they don't really 0:09:17.984,0:09:20.784 reach far enough,and for the[br]people we want to reach 0:09:20.784,0:09:23.675 the social network[br]doesn't seem to work. 0:09:23.675,0:09:25.315 And to make flyers and so on 0:09:25.345,0:09:27.125 you have to[br]invest money, 0:09:27.147,0:09:29.677 but it doesn't guarantee[br]many people. 0:09:29.712,0:09:32.832 We need access to radios, 0:09:32.852,0:09:35.909 or mass communication,[br]or programmes 0:09:35.909,0:09:39.188 that have a mass audience[br]at peak viewing times. 0:09:39.198,0:09:41.038 Our work has taught us 0:09:41.038,0:09:43.273 that the street is the most[br]immediate 0:09:43.273,0:09:45.443 and is where the large-scale[br]action happens. 0:09:45.463,0:09:48.472 Put on concerts and festivals[br]in the street, 0:09:48.482,0:09:50.262 because that is where[br]democracy is. 0:09:50.292,0:09:53.409 In the street people walk,[br]people of all social levels. 0:09:53.419,0:09:56.109 So it's the best option,[br]especially when 0:09:56.119,0:09:58.869 the communication media[br]don't offer any alternative, 0:09:58.869,0:10:01.869 The street is the last resort,[br]so that the person 0:10:01.869,0:10:03.999 walking along there[br]sees something new. [br] 0:10:03.999,0:10:07.959 -It's also a great weakness[br]that so far, no business 0:10:07.959,0:10:10.129 has become involved[br]with Tambo de Bronce. 0:10:10.129,0:10:11.527 The interest is there; 0:10:11.527,0:10:13.232 friends have come from[br]the brewery, 0:10:13.232,0:10:15.952 from large companies,[br]from the brickworks, 0:10:15.962,0:10:18.546 but they don't really[br]believe that art is necessary 0:10:18.566,0:10:22.212 or they don't believe it so far.[br]It's illogical. 0:10:22.232,0:10:26.114 They say, 'If I give this money[br]to your cultural centre, 0:10:26.154,0:10:28.456 so that you can work with[br]these young people, 0:10:28.466,0:10:30.219 no-one will see it, so it's[br]better if I pay for 0:10:30.234,0:10:32.972 a football pitch, although[br]there are many already, 0:10:32.972,0:10:34.652 or another monument,[br]and then 0:10:34.674,0:10:37.384 people say, ''Oh thank you,[br]you've helped me!'' ' 0:10:37.384,0:10:43.294 It's a big problem, because[br]we need money, grants. 0:10:43.324,0:10:45.743 -Now there is a Law of[br]Cultural Patronage, 0:10:45.763,0:10:51.082 but we don't have the tools[br]to secure patronage. 0:10:51.142,0:10:52.952 So we've started using[br]the association 0:10:52.982,0:10:55.322 as a means to obtain that too. 0:10:55.352,0:10:58.672 And the major problem is that[br]the PR director 0:10:58.690,0:11:01.583 of a given company operates[br]as if 'You are a friend, 0:11:01.583,0:11:04.476 so I do you a favour,' and there's never a contest 0:11:04.476,0:11:07.370 for projects to[br]compete for grants 0:11:07.373,0:11:10.163 in places such as Arequipa. 0:11:10.183,0:11:14.889 Education in art and music[br]is very poor. 0:11:14.889,0:11:17.679 In the biggest universities[br]here, there are no faculties, 0:11:17.679,0:11:20.866 for example, of philosophy,[br]music or art. 0:11:20.906,0:11:23.368 There are only faculties[br]of studies that generate 0:11:23.368,0:11:26.588 immediate income such as[br]engineering, law, medicine. 0:11:26.618,0:11:30.238 This puts us, in Arequipa,[br]in a situation where 0:11:30.238,0:11:32.067 we are penned in,[br]because the universities 0:11:32.084,0:11:36.644 don't produce people[br]who can appreciate culture. 0:11:36.656,0:11:41.026 So the task is left to us,[br]to show them 0:11:41.026,0:11:42.414 that there is an alternative. 0:11:42.414,0:11:45.324 At the Tambo we've lasted[br]a long time 0:11:45.324,0:11:47.324 but really we do[br]everything ourselves. 0:11:47.334,0:11:49.534 On one hand that a[br]bad thing, and we suffer, 0:11:49.534,0:11:51.638 but we've managed it alone[br]so far 0:11:51.638,0:11:54.266 but what we have learnt[br]from being alone 0:11:54.266,0:11:57.552 is that we can do it, so with[br]support we could do 0:11:57.573,0:12:00.353 a thousand things,[br]we could do wonders. 0:12:00.353,0:12:02.133 If we had support and funding 0:12:02.133,0:12:03.843 we'd know how to use them,[br]as we've 0:12:03.843,0:12:06.038 managed with nothing, and[br]still done things. 0:12:06.039,0:12:07.991 All this has given us[br]great strength. 0:12:07.991,0:12:10.531 Having the chance to learn[br]more and more, 0:12:10.531,0:12:14.221 you survive in permanently[br]difficult conditions, 0:12:14.237,0:12:16.657 and it makes you strong,[br]so that you survive, 0:12:16.657,0:12:18.647 you become like this, you[br]protect yourself, 0:12:18.657,0:12:20.217 and you can do it because[br]you know how. 0:12:20.237,0:12:22.077 -I'm not from Arequipa,[br]I'm from a place 0:12:22.077,0:12:25.578 that mainly makes its living[br]from fishing and mining, 0:12:25.578,0:12:28.486 and I didn't have access[br]to a cultural centre. 0:12:28.486,0:12:32.724 There was a municipal arts[br]centre; every district has one 0:12:32.724,0:12:35.893 But when you go in, there's[br]just a desk and bare walls, 0:12:35.893,0:12:37.933 and if you open up[br]those venues, 0:12:37.934,0:12:39.964 you give people opportunities. 0:12:39.984,0:12:44.544 With just one open venue[br]we may be influencing 0:12:44.564,0:12:47.904 the future of at least 200[br]or 300 children 0:12:47.944,0:12:49.854 and young people, with[br]no more than 0:12:49.904,0:12:52.904 the interest, will and[br]inspiration that drive us. 0:12:52.924,0:12:54.334 The future 0:12:54.334,0:13:01.395 We hope to find a business[br]that will give us a grant, 0:13:01.395,0:13:05.472 so that we will be free to work[br]with any young people, 0:13:05.482,0:13:08.879 and most of all with children,[br]so that we can train them 0:13:08.879,0:13:11.869 to continue our work when[br]we are no longer here. 0:13:11.889,0:13:13.905 We want to train children[br]so that 0:13:13.925,0:13:15.585 they can use what we[br]have taught them, 0:13:15.605,0:13:17.775 not only in the practical[br]aspects of their lives, 0:13:17.805,0:13:19.975 but also to inform[br]their values. 0:13:19.995,0:13:23.935 Right now the demand from[br]the people who come here, 0:13:23.935,0:13:29.455 whether as visitors, or as[br]exhibitors, is so great 0:13:29.455,0:13:34.626 that we see a need[br]for another venue. 0:13:34.627,0:13:36.647 A venue that can[br]accommodate all of this, 0:13:36.647,0:13:41.897 as well as theatre, music,[br]exhibitions, a bigger place. 0:13:41.897,0:13:42.886 Advice 0:13:42.896,0:13:44.606 At the outset[br]you always have to be 0:13:44.616,0:13:48.026 humble in your ideas[br]and flexible in your thinking, 0:13:48.046,0:13:50.236 because in the end,[br]my idea is better 0:13:50.246,0:13:52.766 if there are other[br]people involved. 0:13:52.776,0:13:55.255 And it always enriches[br]the project. 0:13:55.255,0:13:57.695 I believe we must[br]always be inclusive. 0:13:57.705,0:13:59.662 -Most of all, believe[br]in what you are doing. 0:13:59.662,0:14:02.772 There will always be[br]ups and downs, things that 0:14:02.772,0:14:06.913 discourage us from[br]continuing with our work. 0:14:06.913,0:14:09.790 The only thing to do[br]is to press on, 0:14:09.790,0:14:13.308 believe in your dreams[br]and your desires. 0:14:13.318,0:14:14.978 No more than that. 0:14:14.998,0:14:17.948 Just go on,[br]constantly working, 0:14:17.958,0:14:21.470 and always use the centre[br]as a place for production. 0:14:21.490,0:14:24.490 Often leisure and enjoyment[br]distract us, 0:14:24.490,0:14:26.370 but we must fight against that. 0:14:26.370,0:14:28.269 It must be a place for[br]the production 0:14:28.279,0:14:30.469 and dissemination of[br]our ideas, nothing else. 0:14:30.489,0:14:33.209 Do it and believe in it.[br]That is what works.