WEBVTT 00:00:07.019 --> 00:00:10.060 After the break, welcome back to the discussion. 00:00:10.070 --> 00:00:14.626 Now all three of you, Pervez Hoodhboy, Shaukat Hameed Khan and Agha Waqar, are unanimous 00:00:14.626 --> 00:00:19.628 that hydrogen gas can be produced from water. 00:00:19.628 --> 00:00:22.222 - Yes it can happen. It's been known for very long. 00:00:22.222 --> 00:00:30.325 - Now you are saying that hydrogen gas can be produced from water, but the procedure is very expensive? 00:00:30.325 --> 00:00:33.062 - Very expensive. 00:00:33.062 --> 00:00:37.019 - Is this an expensive procedure or will you make it cheaper? 00:00:37.019 --> 00:00:40.992 - First of all, I will say to Mr. Hoodhboy who accuses me of not having studied science, 00:00:40.992 --> 00:00:45.000 that I will give two examples that he should study. I have brought them with me here. 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:53.818 The biggest scientist who introduced this "free of energy", that is Max Karl Planck. 00:00:53.818 --> 00:00:57.006 Okay? In 1900. - Free of? What did you say? 00:00:57.006 --> 00:01:01.654 - The forms of "free of energy" that he had said... 00:01:01.654 --> 00:01:14.965 In 1900, Max Karl Planck, in his famous black-body radiation experiment, he did the "quantum (?) revolution". 00:01:14.965 --> 00:01:19.926 The basic thesis of this, it's on the Internet, 00:01:19.926 --> 00:01:30.246 is that there are many hidden forces in this universe, which are called "resonance". 00:01:30.246 --> 00:01:33.988 With this resonance it is possible to give motion to hydrogen, 00:01:33.988 --> 00:01:39.318 and to all forces to which you want to give motion, it can be given using resonance. 00:01:39.318 --> 00:01:42.118 Here it is. Either Prof. Hoodhboy is a bigger scientist ... 00:01:42.118 --> 00:01:45.579 - Hang on. So in 1900... - He said it in 1900, then in 1901... 00:01:45.579 --> 00:01:49.512 - So over 100 years have passed. Why is it that no scientist has understood it before? 00:01:49.512 --> 00:01:59.946 - Why not? He wrote in it clearly, that there are very few scientists who have knowledge of this thing. 00:01:59.946 --> 00:02:07.661 And I'm giving you a link to America's Harvard University. Read it, study it. 00:02:07.661 --> 00:02:14.064 There is a clear energy that is cheap energy, "free energy". This is all given here. 00:02:14.064 --> 00:02:19.591 I advise the doctor (Prof. Hoodhboy) to read it. If he is near a computer, look it up on the Internet. 00:02:19.591 --> 00:02:23.259 He is saying it will be expensive. This will make energy cheap! 00:02:23.259 --> 00:02:29.918 And I give him the example that when we do electrolysis, we give it a DC current from the car. 00:02:29.918 --> 00:02:35.724 Along with the DC current, we apply resonance, which is a law. 00:02:35.724 --> 00:02:43.211 The law of resonance is that if you are taking 10 volts then you "step it up" and make it do the work of 100 volts. 00:02:43.211 --> 00:02:51.765 When 100 volts are applied to water, then it will break down like crazy. 00:02:51.765 --> 00:02:53.638 Listen to what I'm saying. Let me keep talking. 00:02:53.638 --> 00:03:00.969 This is not costly. The car from which we take 12 volts, our cathode and anode work as a capacitor in it. 00:03:00.969 --> 00:03:04.935 We pass resonance through it. Through resonance we step up the voltage. 00:03:04.935 --> 00:03:10.400 - I think, Dr Pervez Hoodhboy, the best way to go forward is that we should wait for his furnished water kit. 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.539 Once it arrives... - No, you should even assess it theoretically! 00:03:13.539 --> 00:03:21.735 - So we will fit it in your car and my car and test it. And we'll examine the fumes also. What do you think? 00:03:21.735 --> 00:03:26.951 - I am proving it to the doctor theoretically. 00:03:26.951 --> 00:03:31.011 - Mr. Hamid Mir, give me an opportunity. 00:03:31.011 --> 00:03:34.138 I am so extremely astounded after hearing these words. 00:03:34.138 --> 00:03:41.345 I have been teaching this subject for fourty years: thermodynamics and statistical mechanics, 00:03:41.345 --> 00:03:46.270 and I know very well what the meaning of 'free energy' is. 00:03:46.270 --> 00:03:54.393 This person who is sitting in front of you... I am astounded that such an exhibition of ignorance 00:03:54.393 --> 00:03:58.284 is taking place on a Pakistani TV station. 00:03:58.284 --> 00:04:02.193 It is utter nonsense -- utter nonsense. 00:04:02.193 --> 00:04:06.057 Let me say, each and every word of this person is wrong. 00:04:06.057 --> 00:04:12.802 And such a fraud is being played on Pakistan and Pakistan's government, 00:04:12.802 --> 00:04:19.725 and it gives me pain that even educated people are falling for this fraud. It is not possible that... 00:04:19.725 --> 00:04:26.284 - Was Max Karl Planck a fraud, who said that there is such a thing as free energy? 00:04:26.284 --> 00:04:29.190 Is the link I gave you from Harvard University a fraud? 00:04:29.190 --> 00:04:40.047 - Even children know that water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen, 00:04:40.047 --> 00:04:46.618 but to break up the water you need energy. Where will that energy come from? It can't come from a battery. 00:04:46.618 --> 00:04:49.244 - I've been telling you where it comes from. - Where is it coming from? 00:04:49.244 --> 00:04:54.800 - It is coming from the battery. We're taking 12 volts from the battery. We're stepping up the battery ... 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:58.851 - If you are taking it from the battery then it will immediately become weak? 00:04:58.851 --> 00:05:03.141 - No it won't. If the car has an engine then the engine will recharge the battery.