1 00:00:14,459 --> 00:00:19,830 There's an ancient and well-known philosophical riddle that asks: 2 00:00:19,831 --> 00:00:26,871 "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, 3 00:00:27,746 --> 00:00:29,886 does it still make a sound?" 4 00:00:31,398 --> 00:00:36,413 A scientific view is that, while a tree will make waves in the air, 5 00:00:36,414 --> 00:00:40,300 to make a sound, it takes an ear to hear it. 6 00:00:40,301 --> 00:00:42,097 My question is, 7 00:00:42,098 --> 00:00:47,517 if a person speaks and offers a TED Talk, for example, 8 00:00:47,518 --> 00:00:51,703 and no one listens, is that really communication? 9 00:00:51,704 --> 00:00:56,452 I believe that listening is the missing half of communication. 10 00:00:56,453 --> 00:01:00,715 It is absolutely necessary but often overlooked. 11 00:01:02,095 --> 00:01:05,358 We live in an age we call the Age of Communication. 12 00:01:05,358 --> 00:01:10,004 Certainly, with cell phones, texts, tweets, and emails, 13 00:01:10,005 --> 00:01:12,221 there is a lot of talking going on. 14 00:01:12,222 --> 00:01:15,256 But how much listening can there really be 15 00:01:17,176 --> 00:01:20,210 with so much interruption and distraction? 16 00:01:24,167 --> 00:01:30,241 My passion for the last 30 years has been helping people get to "yes" 17 00:01:30,242 --> 00:01:32,989 in very tough negotiations. 18 00:01:32,990 --> 00:01:37,724 From family feuds to boardroom battles, from labor strikes to civil wars. 19 00:01:37,725 --> 00:01:43,099 I hear a lot of talking, but I don't hear a lot of real listening. 20 00:01:43,100 --> 00:01:45,871 We think of negotiation as being about talking. 21 00:01:47,121 --> 00:01:49,544 In fact, it's really about listening. 22 00:01:49,545 --> 00:01:52,357 If you study the behavior of successful negotiators, 23 00:01:52,358 --> 00:01:55,421 you find that they listen far more than they talk. 24 00:01:55,422 --> 00:01:59,399 After all, we're given two ears and one mouth for a reason. 25 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,902 We should listen at least twice as much as we speak. 26 00:02:03,903 --> 00:02:09,815 Why listen? Why is it so important? Let me tell you a story. 27 00:02:09,816 --> 00:02:15,658 Some years ago, I was in the country of Venezuela serving as a third party 28 00:02:15,659 --> 00:02:18,517 between the government and the political opposition 29 00:02:18,518 --> 00:02:23,405 at a time of intense conflict, with a lot of people fearing a civil war. 30 00:02:23,406 --> 00:02:26,936 My colleague, Francisco Diaz and I had an appointment 31 00:02:26,937 --> 00:02:31,478 with the President, Hugo Chavez, at 9:00 PM at the Presidential Palace. 32 00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:33,191 Finally, at midnight, 33 00:02:33,192 --> 00:02:35,129 we were ushered in to see the President 34 00:02:35,130 --> 00:02:38,331 who had his entire cabinet arrayed behind him. 35 00:02:38,334 --> 00:02:43,868 He asked me: "So, Ury, what do you think of the situation going on here?" 36 00:02:43,869 --> 00:02:49,876 I said: "Mr. President, I've been talking to your ministers here, to the opposition. 37 00:02:49,877 --> 00:02:52,442 I think you're making some progress." 38 00:02:53,352 --> 00:02:56,714 "Progress? What do you mean progress?" he shouted. 39 00:02:57,614 --> 00:02:58,953 "You're blind. 40 00:02:58,954 --> 00:03:02,503 You're not seeing all the dirty tricks those traitors are up to." 41 00:03:02,504 --> 00:03:06,523 He leaned in very close to my face and proceeded to shout. 42 00:03:06,524 --> 00:03:08,531 What was I going to do? 43 00:03:08,532 --> 00:03:10,856 Part of me felt like defending myself, naturally. 44 00:03:10,857 --> 00:03:12,797 But what good would it do for me 45 00:03:12,798 --> 00:03:15,517 to get into an argument with the President of Venezuela? 46 00:03:15,518 --> 00:03:16,789 (Laughter) 47 00:03:16,790 --> 00:03:21,201 How would that advance peace? So I just listened. 48 00:03:21,202 --> 00:03:24,641 I gave him my full attention. I listened to where he was coming from. 49 00:03:25,731 --> 00:03:29,703 President Chavez was famous for making eight hour speeches. 50 00:03:29,704 --> 00:03:34,867 After 30 minutes of me just nodding and listening, 51 00:03:34,868 --> 00:03:38,787 I saw his shoulders slowly sag. 52 00:03:38,788 --> 00:03:44,517 He said to me in a very weary tone of voice: "So, Ury, what should I do?" 53 00:03:44,518 --> 00:03:51,158 That's the sound of a human mind opening to listen. 54 00:03:51,159 --> 00:03:53,964 I said: "Mr. President, it's almost Christmas. 55 00:03:53,965 --> 00:03:56,558 The country needs a break. 56 00:03:56,559 --> 00:04:00,621 Last year, all the festivities were canceled because of the conflict. 57 00:04:00,622 --> 00:04:03,387 Why not propose a truce this time 58 00:04:03,388 --> 00:04:06,709 so that people can enjoy the holidays with their families? 59 00:04:06,710 --> 00:04:11,443 After that, maybe everybody will be in a better mood to listen." 60 00:04:11,444 --> 00:04:15,874 He said: "That's a great idea. I'm going to announce that in my next speech." 61 00:04:15,875 --> 00:04:17,987 His mood has completely shifted. 62 00:04:17,988 --> 00:04:21,581 How? Through the simple power of listening. 63 00:04:24,031 --> 00:04:27,812 Because I listened to him, he was more ready to listen to me. 64 00:04:28,832 --> 00:04:33,565 There are at least three important reasons 65 00:04:33,566 --> 00:04:38,491 why it's important to listen in any negotiation or conflict. 66 00:04:38,492 --> 00:04:43,302 The first is that it helps us understand the other side. 67 00:04:43,303 --> 00:04:46,566 Negotiation, after all, is an exercise in influence. 68 00:04:47,417 --> 00:04:50,663 You're trying to change someone else's mind. 69 00:04:50,664 --> 00:04:53,665 How can you possibly change someone else's mind 70 00:04:53,666 --> 00:04:56,717 if you don't know where their mind is? 71 00:04:56,718 --> 00:04:58,494 Listening is key. 72 00:04:58,495 --> 00:05:01,216 The second reason is just as important. 73 00:05:01,217 --> 00:05:04,507 It helps us connect with the other human being. 74 00:05:04,508 --> 00:05:09,306 It helps us build rapport. It builds trust. It shows we care. 75 00:05:10,606 --> 00:05:13,417 After all, everybody wants to be heard. 76 00:05:13,418 --> 00:05:16,629 The third reason is, as with President Chavez, 77 00:05:16,630 --> 00:05:20,845 it makes it more likely that the other person will listen to us. 78 00:05:20,846 --> 00:05:23,243 It helps get to "yes." 79 00:05:24,333 --> 00:05:27,284 In short, listening may be the cheapest concession 80 00:05:27,285 --> 00:05:29,397 we can make in a negotiation. 81 00:05:29,398 --> 00:05:33,217 It costs us nothing, and it brings huge benefits. 82 00:05:33,218 --> 00:05:39,789 Listening may be the golden key that opens the door to human relationship. 83 00:05:39,790 --> 00:05:41,815 How do we listen? 84 00:05:43,715 --> 00:05:47,899 It turns out that we often take listening for granted 85 00:05:47,900 --> 00:05:50,157 as something easy and natural. 86 00:05:50,158 --> 00:05:55,416 But in fact, at least in my experience, real genuine listening is something 87 00:05:55,417 --> 00:05:59,088 that needs to be learned and practiced every day. 88 00:05:59,089 --> 00:06:02,929 In ordinary listening, we're hearing the words. 89 00:06:02,930 --> 00:06:08,239 We're often thinking, "Where do I agree? Where do I disagree? 90 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:13,842 What am I going to say in response?" In other words, the focus is on us. 91 00:06:14,912 --> 00:06:20,304 In genuine listening, however, the spotlight moves to the other person. 92 00:06:21,854 --> 00:06:26,288 We put ourselves in their shoes. We tune into their wavelength. 93 00:06:27,898 --> 00:06:32,911 We listen from within their frame of reference, not just ours. 94 00:06:32,912 --> 00:06:35,357 That's not easy. 95 00:06:35,358 --> 00:06:39,327 In genuine listening, we listen not just for what's being said, 96 00:06:39,328 --> 00:06:43,017 but for what's not being said. 97 00:06:43,018 --> 00:06:48,809 We listen not just to the words, but to what's behind the words. 98 00:06:48,810 --> 00:06:54,184 We listen for the underlying emotions, feelings, and needs. 99 00:06:55,824 --> 00:06:59,397 We listen for what that person really needs or wants. 100 00:06:59,398 --> 00:07:01,892 Let me give you an example. 101 00:07:01,893 --> 00:07:07,231 About a year and a half ago, I was invited to help a Brazilian entrepreneur 102 00:07:07,250 --> 00:07:09,584 by the name of Abilio Diniz. 103 00:07:09,584 --> 00:07:13,793 He was trapped in a titanic legal dispute 104 00:07:13,802 --> 00:07:19,731 with his French business partner over the control of Brazil's largest retailer. 105 00:07:20,655 --> 00:07:22,642 The Financial Times called it perhaps 106 00:07:22,643 --> 00:07:29,029 the biggest cross-continental boardroom showdown in recent history. 107 00:07:29,030 --> 00:07:30,974 It had gone on for two and a half years. 108 00:07:30,975 --> 00:07:34,234 It was immensely costly and stressful, 109 00:07:34,235 --> 00:07:36,982 not only to both parties but to their families 110 00:07:36,983 --> 00:07:40,688 and the 150,000 employees of the company. 111 00:07:40,689 --> 00:07:45,638 When I sat down with Abilio in his home, I listened to his story. 112 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:47,668 After that, I had a question. 113 00:07:47,669 --> 00:07:52,262 I said: "Abilio, help me understand here. What do you really want?" 114 00:07:53,322 --> 00:07:56,517 He said: "Well, I want the stock at a certain price. 115 00:07:56,518 --> 00:07:59,342 I want the company headquarters. 116 00:07:59,343 --> 00:08:03,042 I want the elimination of the non-compete clause." 117 00:08:03,043 --> 00:08:08,434 He gave me a list. As I listened, I heard something deeper there that was unspoken. 118 00:08:08,435 --> 00:08:12,377 I asked him: "Abilio, you're a man who seems to have everything. 119 00:08:12,378 --> 00:08:15,004 What are these things really going to give you? 120 00:08:15,005 --> 00:08:17,848 What do you most want in your life?" 121 00:08:17,849 --> 00:08:20,221 He paused for a moment and thought about it. 122 00:08:20,222 --> 00:08:25,633 Finally, he said: "Freedom. I want my freedom. 123 00:08:25,634 --> 00:08:28,964 I want to be free to pursue my business dreams. 124 00:08:28,965 --> 00:08:33,529 I want to be free to spend time with my family." That was it. 125 00:08:33,530 --> 00:08:36,505 I was hearing the human being behind the words 126 00:08:36,506 --> 00:08:39,441 not just the champion businessman. 127 00:08:39,442 --> 00:08:43,913 Once we were clear about his deepest need, 128 00:08:43,914 --> 00:08:49,098 then the negotiation itself, while challenging, became a lot easier. 129 00:08:49,099 --> 00:08:52,350 In four short days, my colleagues and I, 130 00:08:52,351 --> 00:08:54,880 by listening to the other side, 131 00:08:54,881 --> 00:08:57,315 were able to take this titanic dispute 132 00:08:57,316 --> 00:09:02,417 and resolve it with a settlement that left both sides highly satisfied. 133 00:09:02,418 --> 00:09:05,804 As Abilio being a friend in the process later told me, 134 00:09:05,805 --> 00:09:11,043 "I got everything I wanted. But most importantly, I got my life back." 135 00:09:11,044 --> 00:09:16,801 How did that happen? Through the simple power of listening. 136 00:09:19,771 --> 00:09:26,669 If listening is so useful, why isn't everyone doing it? 137 00:09:29,659 --> 00:09:32,998 To tell you the truth, it's not so easy. 138 00:09:32,999 --> 00:09:35,572 If I reflect on my own experience for a moment, 139 00:09:35,573 --> 00:09:40,233 there are times when I feel like I'm listening pretty well in my work, 140 00:09:40,234 --> 00:09:46,715 only to go home and find out I'm not listening so well to my wife. 141 00:09:46,716 --> 00:09:49,750 It's humbling. I can tell you. 142 00:09:49,751 --> 00:09:54,115 The real problem in the way, what makes it so hard to listen 143 00:09:54,116 --> 00:09:57,865 is that there is so much going on in our minds. 144 00:09:57,866 --> 00:10:01,048 There is so much noise and distraction 145 00:10:02,328 --> 00:10:05,341 that we don't have the mental and emotional space 146 00:10:05,342 --> 00:10:08,817 to be able to truly listen to the other side. 147 00:10:08,818 --> 00:10:11,215 How do we clear our minds? 148 00:10:12,435 --> 00:10:16,505 It may seem odd, but the secret is, 149 00:10:16,506 --> 00:10:20,305 if we want to listen to the other side, 150 00:10:20,306 --> 00:10:23,331 we have to learn to listen to ourselves first. 151 00:10:24,701 --> 00:10:27,557 When I was sitting there with President Chavez, 152 00:10:27,558 --> 00:10:31,480 what really helped me was that, just beforehand, 153 00:10:31,481 --> 00:10:34,666 I had taken a few moments of quiet 154 00:10:34,667 --> 00:10:37,442 to pay attention to what was going on for me. 155 00:10:37,443 --> 00:10:41,107 I listened to myself to quiet my mind. 156 00:10:41,108 --> 00:10:44,452 When he began shouting, I was ready. 157 00:10:44,453 --> 00:10:47,653 I could notice that my cheeks were reddening, 158 00:10:47,654 --> 00:10:51,653 and my jaw was a little clenched. 159 00:10:51,654 --> 00:10:54,495 I felt some fear and anxiety. 160 00:10:54,496 --> 00:10:57,375 By paying attention to those sensations and emotions, 161 00:10:57,376 --> 00:10:59,575 I was able to let them go, 162 00:10:59,576 --> 00:11:04,145 so that I could truly listen to President Chavez. 163 00:11:04,146 --> 00:11:10,295 What if, before an important, delicate or sensitive conversation, 164 00:11:10,296 --> 00:11:16,497 we took a moment of silence just to tune in and listen to where we are? 165 00:11:16,498 --> 00:11:21,145 I believe that if we did that, if we truly listened to ourselves first, 166 00:11:21,146 --> 00:11:24,290 we would find it a lot easier to listen to others. 167 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:31,000 The final question is, if we listened more, 168 00:11:31,001 --> 00:11:34,760 what difference would it make in the world? 169 00:11:34,761 --> 00:11:38,214 I believe it would make a huge difference. 170 00:11:38,215 --> 00:11:41,535 In the course of my mediation work, 171 00:11:41,536 --> 00:11:45,689 I personally witnessed the enormous cost of conflict, 172 00:11:45,690 --> 00:11:51,875 the broken relationships, families, the stressed out work places, 173 00:11:51,876 --> 00:11:56,217 the ruinous law suits, and the senseless wars. 174 00:11:56,218 --> 00:12:01,187 What always strikes me is the biggest opportunity we have actually, 175 00:12:01,188 --> 00:12:06,242 is to prevent these conflicts even before they start. 176 00:12:06,243 --> 00:12:07,824 How do we do that? 177 00:12:09,694 --> 00:12:13,704 It's not easy, but it almost always starts with one simple step. 178 00:12:13,705 --> 00:12:17,561 Listening. This is my dream. 179 00:12:19,411 --> 00:12:23,645 A listening revolution that can turn 180 00:12:23,646 --> 00:12:28,166 this Age of Communication into an Age of Listening. 181 00:12:29,096 --> 00:12:32,201 In other words, an age of true communication. 182 00:12:33,661 --> 00:12:36,118 Imagine for a moment a world 183 00:12:36,119 --> 00:12:40,051 in which every child learns to listen at an early age. 184 00:12:41,551 --> 00:12:46,202 What if we taught listening in school, 185 00:12:46,211 --> 00:12:49,640 like we teach reading, as a core skill? 186 00:12:49,641 --> 00:12:52,281 After all, listening is how you read people. 187 00:12:53,871 --> 00:12:58,701 Imagine a world in which parents learn to listen to their children. 188 00:12:59,681 --> 00:13:04,407 What better way after all, is there for us to teach our children to listen to us 189 00:13:04,408 --> 00:13:07,036 than for us to listen to them? 190 00:13:07,037 --> 00:13:11,390 What better way for us to show our children that they truly matter? 191 00:13:11,391 --> 00:13:14,660 What better way is there to show our love? 192 00:13:14,661 --> 00:13:16,322 As an extra bonus, 193 00:13:16,323 --> 00:13:20,737 maybe we'd see happier marriages and fewer divorces, 194 00:13:20,738 --> 00:13:23,889 as couples learned to listen to each other. 195 00:13:23,890 --> 00:13:28,608 Imagine a world in which leaders learned how to listen to their people. 196 00:13:29,578 --> 00:13:36,070 What if we chose leaders based on their ability to listen, not just talk? 197 00:13:36,830 --> 00:13:40,870 What if listening became the norm in our organizations 198 00:13:40,871 --> 00:13:42,671 and not just the exception? 199 00:13:43,871 --> 00:13:45,938 What if on radio and TV 200 00:13:45,939 --> 00:13:49,429 we had not just talk shows, but listen shows? 201 00:13:49,430 --> 00:13:51,000 (Laughter) 202 00:13:52,670 --> 00:13:57,305 What if we had not just peace talks, but peace listens? 203 00:13:58,975 --> 00:14:02,917 I firmly believe that we'd get to 'yes' a lot more often. 204 00:14:04,167 --> 00:14:07,249 We might not eliminate all conflict, 205 00:14:07,250 --> 00:14:11,257 but we would avert a lot of fights and wars. 206 00:14:11,258 --> 00:14:14,910 Everybody would be much better off. 207 00:14:14,911 --> 00:14:17,898 I, very happily, might be out of a job. 208 00:14:19,398 --> 00:14:21,317 That's my dream. 209 00:14:21,318 --> 00:14:26,330 While it may seem audacious, it's not that complicated. 210 00:14:26,331 --> 00:14:29,490 Listening can be a chain reaction 211 00:14:29,491 --> 00:14:34,163 in which each person who is genuinely listened to 212 00:14:34,164 --> 00:14:38,354 feels naturally inspired to listen to the next. 213 00:14:39,354 --> 00:14:41,090 Listening can be contagious. 214 00:14:42,940 --> 00:14:46,684 I invite you to start 215 00:14:46,685 --> 00:14:50,942 this chain reaction today, right here, right now. 216 00:14:52,032 --> 00:14:55,520 In your next conversation with a colleague, 217 00:14:55,521 --> 00:15:01,470 client, partner, or child, a friend or a stranger, 218 00:15:01,471 --> 00:15:05,466 give them your full attention. 219 00:15:05,467 --> 00:15:09,326 Listen to the human being behind the words. 220 00:15:09,327 --> 00:15:16,138 One of the biggest gifts we can give anyone is the gift of being heard. 221 00:15:17,098 --> 00:15:21,591 With the simple power of listening now, 222 00:15:21,592 --> 00:15:25,141 we can transform our relationships, 223 00:15:25,142 --> 00:15:31,799 our families, and our world for the better, ear by ear. 224 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,548 Thank you for listening. 225 00:15:34,549 --> 00:15:36,149 (Applause)