1 00:00:11,785 --> 00:00:15,785 Dear Thay, dear Sangha, my question is about healing 2 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and about true love. 3 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 For me it is very difficult to say good bye to people, 4 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 when people come and go in my life. 5 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I've been practicing being in touch with my 5-year-old self 6 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 for some years, and recently when someone said good bye to me, 7 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it was very difficult. 8 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And I reflected on it afterwards, 9 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and the voice of my 5-year-old self came out and said something like: 10 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 "I need to make my mother happy so that she can take care of me, 11 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and if she's sad, then that means I can't make her happy 12 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that I can't love." 13 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I think when people say good bye to me, that means that I can't love them 14 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and they're leaving because I haven't been able to love them. 15 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And I know that I direct a lot of my love outward 16 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and when someone is leaving or something like that, 17 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 then I want to give them more love to make them stay, I think. 18 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Because I'm afraid that they're leaving. 19 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And I think part of it is I'm afraid that they'll be gone 20 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 maybe like my mother wasn't there when I was a baby, 21 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and I'm also afraid that maybe I have some sort of 22 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 defect that means that my love is ineffective, 23 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I can't love people that I want to love. 24 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 That is my question. How to heal this and be able to- 25 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and so I can love freely without trying to grasp onto people when they leave? 26 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 They're saying, in every one of us there is a wounded child. 27 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And you need to take care of that wounded child. 28 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 To take care of this wounded child, we need to go inside ourselves, 29 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 we need to be present with ourselves 30 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 instead of putting a focus out there 31 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and searching for love, for acceptance, for recognition to fill up this hole in here 32 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 that's left by this big wound, the wounded child in us. 33 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I think we need to come back and take care of this, 34 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 take care of ourselves. 35 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's really love for ourselves, that we're able to come back and listen to ourselves, 36 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 listen to that wounded child. 37 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And only when we can do that to ourselves, that we can heal this wounded child. 38 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's only when we can come back and listen to ourselves and be there with ourselves, 39 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to care for this woundedness, that we can truly love ourselves. 40 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And only when you can do that then you can love other people. 41 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And this love that we have for other people, that is based on this love for ourselves, 42 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it gives people space, and it gives us space. 43 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It gives the people the freedom, and it gives us the freedom. 44 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 The freedom to go, to come whenever they feel like it. 45 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And it give us the freedom to welcome people when they come 46 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and then to let them go when they have to go. 47 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I think we all here really do it to heal ourselves 48 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and to heal the woundedness inside us, 49 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we've offered concrete practices to do that 50 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and it's a matter of freely embodying these concrete practices. 51 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You know like putting down to practice, these teachings and practices that we learn. 52 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And also we have the Sangha around us to support us 53 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 in that walk of healing ourselves, 54 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because everyone in the Sangha is really doing that too, to heal ourselves 55 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So I see, Scott, that you are very lucky that you get to stay here 56 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 longer than most people here. 57 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You know, Scott is an intern here that has been here for several years now 58 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and has been a member of the Sangha here for a long time. 59 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And so, in that way you're very lucky. Because you have the Sangha 60 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to practice with you, you have the Sangha to remind you to practice, 61 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you have the tools to do it. 62 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And this is it. This is the place, and this is the time 63 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to care of that wounded child, to bring your attention in instead of putting it out here. 64 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 What happens in the community is that, from my own personal experience, 65 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 is that there's just so many people here. 66 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You know, I live with 70 sisters. 67 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And if I am the kind of person that always put my attention out here, 68 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 it's endless. I mean, it never stops. 69 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 There's just so many interesting people here and more people are coming all the time. 70 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's going to drain me if I always put my attention here. 71 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So I need to have a balance by coming inside 72 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 to care for myself and to listen to myself. 73 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And so, here in Plum Village, 74 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 there are times when we are very busy like during this retreat 75 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you know, like this is our fourth week and everyone is really- 76 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you know, like the fatigue, it's sinkening. 77 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But there are times when it's not so busy, 78 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and one of the thing that you do is working in the Happy Farm 79 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and sometimes I go down there and I really envy you guys 80 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because whole day you just work with nature and you really interact with Mother Earth 81 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you have the space around you, the silence around you, 82 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 these are elements for healing. 83 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And if you can stop in here, so you can allow these beauties to come in 84 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and that's one way to help you heal yourself, 85 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 heal the wounded child inside yourself. 86 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We can still put one another in doing this work 87 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we have everything we need to do it. 88 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It's a matter of just go back, where we're reminded again and again 89 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 by the whole community. Go back to take care of that wounded child. 90 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And that's love, that's love for ourselves, 91 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and also love for other people too. 92 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So thank you for your question. 93 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Thank you, just to add a little bit from the brothers who live with Scott. 94 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 How many years you've been here? You like part of Plum Village now, ay? 95 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Yeah, five. It's like the old trees going up around here now. 96 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 It'll be hard for us to say good bye when you decide to move on to explore other things. 97 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 We do talk about you, the brothers, and how much you have transformed. 98 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You look very beautiful, your body, 99 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 has transformed. I don't know, the brothers are like, "Is that Scott?!" 100 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I don't know if you've looked in the mirror lately, but you look very different. 101 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 When Scott first came here, he was a different shape. 102 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 How to say, sorry to put you on the spot, but you know, 103 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 he's been through a beautiful transformation process. 104 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 When Scott first came here, he really wanted us to accept him. 105 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But we told him, you have to accept yourself first. 106 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 This is one beautiful transformation, 107 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 he's come to that level where he's accepted himself. 108 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And you can see it, because your body changes when your mind changes. 109 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Now, he's not needy anymore. 110 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Scott, your energy is very positive. 111 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Your outlook, we actually see you helping a lot of people. 112 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So you have to retell new story, you're holding onto an old story. 113 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You're not just a wounded child, but you are your mother. 114 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You see, now you're taking care of other people like your mother would want you to. 115 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And people feel that connection. All the () come here, 116 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 they all go through either Scott, Mark, Connor, all the () that live up here 117 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 he take care of them like an older brother and sister. 118 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And this is something that we want to express our gratitude to you, 119 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Scott, for hanging out with us when we made a hard decision on you, 120 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you said, "I'm gonna stick it here." 121 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You didn't leave. You see, that is powerful. 122 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Usually when you get rejected by the monastic, people leave, they [groveling] 123 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 but you said, "I'm staying, I'm going for the long-term program." 124 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And the brothers are like, "Really?" 125 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And then you stick around, you're here more than some of the monks. 126 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So the way you are doing the monastic life, 127 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you train your mind, you transform yourself, 128 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 so the story you told me, is one story. I could've told it differently. 129 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You are now your mother, and you're living your life for her. 130 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 She is alive in you, and you're loving people like your mother would love you. 131 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You see, that's another story. 132 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So when you say goodbye to them, it's like your mother 133 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 saying goodbye to her teenage child to college. 134 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Have a good life, I'm so happy you've been here for one week, 135 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you've touched deeply. See, this is another story right. 136 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 When you say goodbye to them, you say- 137 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 In my mind, when I say goodbye to people, I send them off like that, like "Wow, 138 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 thank you for being with us, please pass it on. Be our fingers and go out there 139 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and help other people touch love, touch goodness, touch wholesomeness. 140 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So you have also the energy of your mother inside, not just the child. 141 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Yes, you are her child, you are your grandchild, but you are also your mother, 142 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 your grandmother, your great great grandmother. 143 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So you have to rely on these seeds, they're all in your self. 144 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 You can feel it in your hands, your hands is your mother's hands. 145 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And everything you do from now on, you need to train, to tell another story. 146 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Yes, the story of the wounded child is there, but you have another story to develop, 147 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and make it a beautiful story. 148 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Work in the Happy Farm, be in touch with the children that come down there 149 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and you share with them, look, when you pick up a potato for them, 150 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 do it with your mother's hand. So that's your new training, okay? 151 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Every one of us have a story and we get stuck with it, 152 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and we keep telling it. Tell different angles of it, 153 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 tell a story where you are your mother, tell a story where you are your father, 154 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 tell a story that you are the planet earth. You're not just human, 155 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you're the planet earth. 156 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Now you working in the happy farm, you need to train to be mother earth. 157 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And mother earth is the greatest mother of all, 158 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and every day you're on your knees doing stuff, 159 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you have to do it for the mother energy, the healing energy that we all need. 160 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And you're offering it, this is why it is hard for you, 161 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 because people really love you, right? 162 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 But as a practitioner, you have to see that they are you. 163 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 They are leaving, and they are an extension of you. None-self. 164 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 So you train. This requires training because we are attached to 'me', 165 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 you have to begin to train like that. Imagine how many people we have to say goodbye to 166 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 every retreat, every [gibberish]. 167 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 This is how we train, so please take refuge in all the mothers inside you 168 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 and look at the people leaving as your mother's child. 169 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 And I think we have a lot of confidence in you. 170 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 I hope you never leave. It will be hard for us to say goodbye to you. 171 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Sorry, a little attachment is okay. 172 99:59:59,999 --> 99:59:59,999 Thank you, Scott, for being a beautiful person.