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Dialogue: 0,0:00:08.42,0:00:09.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Thank you very much.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:10.46,0:00:12.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When I was a boy,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.88,0:00:15.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,my parents would sometimes\Ntake me camping in California.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.43,0:00:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We would camp in the beaches,\Nin the forests, in the deserts.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:19.59,0:00:22.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Some people think the deserts\Nare empty of life
Dialogue: 0,0:00:22.08,0:00:25.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but my parents taught me\Nto see the wildlife all around us:
Dialogue: 0,0:00:25.44,0:00:29.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the hawks, the eagles, the tortoises.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:29.17,0:00:31.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,One time when we were setting up camp,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:31.41,0:00:34.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we found a baby scorpion\Nwith its stinger out,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.11,0:00:35.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I remember thinking how cool it was
Dialogue: 0,0:00:35.97,0:00:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that something could be\Nboth so cute and also so dangerous.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:41.65,0:00:43.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,After college, I moved to California
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.72,0:00:46.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and I started working on a number\Nof environmental campaigns,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.28,0:00:50.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I got involved in helping to save\Nthe state's last ancient redwood forests
Dialogue: 0,0:00:50.15,0:00:55.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and blocking a proposed radioactive\Nwaste repository set for the desert.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.59,0:00:56.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Shortly after I turned 30,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.89,0:01:00.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I decided I wanted to dedicate\Na significant amount of my life
Dialogue: 0,0:01:00.41,0:01:02.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to solving climate change.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.01,0:01:05.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I was worried that global warming\Nwould end up destroying
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.66,0:01:07.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,many of the natural environments
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.34,0:01:09.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that people had worked\Nso hard to protect.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:10.17,0:01:12.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I thought the technical solutions\Nwere pretty straightforward -
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.86,0:01:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Solar panels on every roof,\Nelectric car in the driveway -
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.06,0:01:18.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that the main obstacles were political.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.45,0:01:21.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And so I helped to organize a coalition
Dialogue: 0,0:01:21.30,0:01:25.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the country's biggest labor unions\Nand biggest environmental groups.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.47,0:01:30.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Our proposal was for a 300 billion\Ndollar investment in renewables.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.09,0:01:33.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And the idea was not only\Nwould we prevent climate change,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.20,0:01:35.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but we would also create\Nmillions of new jobs
Dialogue: 0,0:01:35.80,0:01:38.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a very fast-growing high-tech sector.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.77,0:01:39.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our efforts really paid
Dialogue: 0,0:01:39.66,0:01:42.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,off in 2007 when then presidential
Dialogue: 0,0:01:42.69,0:01:44.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,candidate Barack Obama embraced our
Dialogue: 0,0:01:44.79,0:01:48.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vision and between 2009 and 2015 the
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.69,0:01:50.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,u.s. invested a hundred and fifty
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.46,0:01:52.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,billion dollars in renewables and other
Dialogue: 0,0:01:52.59,0:01:55.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,kinds of clean tech but right away we
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.56,0:01:57.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,started to encounter some problems so
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.96,0:01:59.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,first of all the electricity from solar
Dialogue: 0,0:01:59.76,0:02:02.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,rooftops ends up costing about twice as
Dialogue: 0,0:02:02.40,0:02:04.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much as the electricity from solar farms
Dialogue: 0,0:02:04.53,0:02:06.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and both solar farms and wind farms
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.69,0:02:08.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,require covering a pretty significant
Dialogue: 0,0:02:08.55,0:02:10.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,amount of land with solar panels and
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.50,0:02:13.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wind turbines and also building very big
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.23,0:02:13.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transit
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.81,0:02:15.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,lines to bring all that electricity from
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.97,0:02:18.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the countryside into the city both of
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.52,0:02:20.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those things were often very strongly
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.56,0:02:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,resisted by local communities as well as
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.41,0:02:25.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by conservation biologists who were
Dialogue: 0,0:02:25.54,0:02:27.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concerned about the impacts on wild bird
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.88,0:02:31.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,species and other animals now there was
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.63,0:02:32.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a lot of other people working on
Dialogue: 0,0:02:32.98,0:02:35.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technical solutions at the time one of
Dialogue: 0,0:02:35.17,0:02:36.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the big challenges of course is just the
Dialogue: 0,0:02:36.97,0:02:38.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,intermittency of solar and wind
Dialogue: 0,0:02:38.59,0:02:40.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they only generate electricity about 10
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.39,0:02:42.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to 30 percent of the time during most of
Dialogue: 0,0:02:42.73,0:02:44.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the year but some of the solutions that
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.83,0:02:46.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were being proposed were to convert
Dialogue: 0,0:02:46.99,0:02:49.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hydroelectric dams into gigantic
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.21,0:02:51.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,batteries the idea was that when the Sun
Dialogue: 0,0:02:51.70,0:02:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was shining and the wind was blowing you
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.50,0:02:56.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would pump the water uphill store it for
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.23,0:02:57.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,later and then when you needed
Dialogue: 0,0:02:57.34,0:03:00.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,electricity run it over the turbines in
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.58,0:03:02.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,terms of Wildlife some of these problems
Dialogue: 0,0:03:02.80,0:03:04.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just didn't seem like a significant
Dialogue: 0,0:03:04.27,0:03:06.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concern so when I learned that house
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.22,0:03:09.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cats kill billions of birds every year
Dialogue: 0,0:03:09.01,0:03:11.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it put into perspective the hundreds of
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.14,0:03:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thousands of birds rather that are
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.91,0:03:15.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,killed by wind turbines it basically
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.25,0:03:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,seemed to me at the time that most if
Dialogue: 0,0:03:17.62,0:03:19.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not all of the problems of scaling up
Dialogue: 0,0:03:19.48,0:03:21.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solar and wind could be solved through
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.22,0:03:24.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more technological innovation but as the
Dialogue: 0,0:03:24.76,0:03:27.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years went by these problems persisted
Dialogue: 0,0:03:27.52,0:03:30.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in many cases grew worse so
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.01,0:03:31.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,California is a state that's really
Dialogue: 0,0:03:31.51,0:03:33.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,committed to renewable energy but we
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.64,0:03:35.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,still haven't converted many of our
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.74,0:03:37.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hydroelectric dams into big batteries
Dialogue: 0,0:03:37.75,0:03:40.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of the problems are just Geographic
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.63,0:03:42.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's just you have to have a very
Dialogue: 0,0:03:42.13,0:03:43.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,particular kind of formation to be able
Dialogue: 0,0:03:43.90,0:03:46.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to do that and even in those cases it's
Dialogue: 0,0:03:46.30,0:03:47.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,quite expensive to make those
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.98,0:03:49.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,conversions other challenges are just
Dialogue: 0,0:03:49.99,0:03:52.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that there's other uses for water like
Dialogue: 0,0:03:52.39,0:03:55.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,irrigation and maybe this is the most
Dialogue: 0,0:03:55.12,0:03:57.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,significant problem is just that in
Dialogue: 0,0:03:57.46,0:03:59.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,California the water in our rivers and
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.68,0:04:01.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reservoirs is growing increasingly
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.60,0:04:04.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scarce and unreliable due to climate
Dialogue: 0,0:04:04.12,0:04:06.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,change in terms of this issue of
Dialogue: 0,0:04:06.31,0:04:07.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reliability
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.42,0:04:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a consequence of it we've actually
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.94,0:04:12.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,had to stop the electricity coming from
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.43,0:04:14.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the solar farms into the cities because
Dialogue: 0,0:04:14.41,0:04:15.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's just been too much of it at
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.91,0:04:18.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,times or we've been starting to pay our
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.40,0:04:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,neighboring states like Arizona to take
Dialogue: 0,0:04:20.74,0:04:22.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that solar electricity the alternative
Dialogue: 0,0:04:22.66,0:04:25.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is to suffer from blowouts of the grid
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.17,0:04:27.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and it turns out that
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.76,0:04:31.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when it comes to birds and cats cats
Dialogue: 0,0:04:31.69,0:04:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,don't kill Eagles Eagles kill cats what
Dialogue: 0,0:04:35.44,0:04:39.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cats kill are the small common sparrows
Dialogue: 0,0:04:39.13,0:04:41.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Jay's and Robins birds that are not
Dialogue: 0,0:04:41.44,0:04:43.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,endangered and not at risk of going
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.54,0:04:47.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extinct what what do kill Eagles and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:47.29,0:04:49.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other big birds like this kite as well
Dialogue: 0,0:04:49.66,0:04:52.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as owls and condors and other threatened
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.36,0:04:54.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and endangered species are wind turbines
Dialogue: 0,0:04:54.79,0:04:56.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in fact they're one of the most
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.05,0:04:58.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,significant threats to those big bird
Dialogue: 0,0:04:58.30,0:05:00.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,species that we have we just haven't
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.91,0:05:03.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been introducing the airspace with many
Dialogue: 0,0:05:03.16,0:05:05.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,other objects like we have wind turbines
Dialogue: 0,0:05:05.32,0:05:08.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over the last several years and in terms
Dialogue: 0,0:05:08.32,0:05:10.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of solar you know building a solar farm
Dialogue: 0,0:05:10.96,0:05:13.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a lot like building any other kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.15,0:05:15.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,farm you have to clear the whole area of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:15.49,0:05:16.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Wildlife
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.42,0:05:20.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so this is a picture of one third of one
Dialogue: 0,0:05:20.41,0:05:22.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of the biggest solar farms in California
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.00,0:05:24.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,called Ivanpah in order to build this
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.37,0:05:26.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they had to clear the whole area of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.38,0:05:28.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,desert tortoises literally pulling
Dialogue: 0,0:05:28.18,0:05:30.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,desert tortoises and their babies out of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.73,0:05:32.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,burrows putting them on the back of
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.53,0:05:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pickup trucks and transporting them to
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.27,0:05:36.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,captivity where many of them ended up
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.61,0:05:38.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dying and currently the current
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.50,0:05:41.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,estimates are that about 6,000 birds are
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.02,0:05:43.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,killed every year actually catching on
Dialogue: 0,0:05:43.06,0:05:45.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fire above the solar farm and plunging
Dialogue: 0,0:05:45.37,0:05:47.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to their deaths over time it gradually
Dialogue: 0,0:05:47.89,0:05:50.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,struck me that there was really no
Dialogue: 0,0:05:50.23,0:05:52.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,amount of technological innovation that
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.27,0:05:54.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was gonna make the sunshine more
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.61,0:05:57.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,regularly or wind blow more reliably in
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.79,0:05:59.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fact nothing could you could make solar
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.86,0:06:01.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,panels cheaper you could make wind
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.72,0:06:03.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,turbines bigger but sunlight and wind
Dialogue: 0,0:06:03.94,0:06:06.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are just really dilute fuels and in
Dialogue: 0,0:06:06.49,0:06:08.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,order to produce significant amounts of
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.47,0:06:09.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,electricity
Dialogue: 0,0:06:09.10,0:06:11.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you just have to cover a very large land
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.65,0:06:15.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,mass with them in other words all of the
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.01,0:06:17.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,major problems with renewables aren't
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.17,0:06:20.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technical they're natural well dealing
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.32,0:06:22.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with all of this unreliability and the
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.63,0:06:24.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big environmental impacts obviously
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.28,0:06:27.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comes at a pretty high economic cost you
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.07,0:06:28.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,know we've been hearing a lot about how
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.21,0:06:29.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solar panels and wind turbines have come
Dialogue: 0,0:06:29.98,0:06:32.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,down in cost in recent years but that
Dialogue: 0,0:06:32.44,0:06:34.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cost has been significantly outweighed
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.84,0:06:37.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,by just the challenges of integrating
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.09,0:06:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all of that unreliable power onto the
Dialogue: 0,0:06:39.28,0:06:41.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,grid just take for instance what's
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.14,0:06:41.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,happening
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.68,0:06:43.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,or Nia at the period in which solar
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.99,0:06:45.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,panels have come down in price very
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.94,0:06:48.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,significantly same with wind we've seen
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.13,0:06:50.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,our electricity prices go up five times
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.50,0:06:52.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than the rest of the country and
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.45,0:06:54.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's not unique to us you can see the
Dialogue: 0,0:06:54.73,0:06:56.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,same phenomenon happened in Germany
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.53,0:06:58.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is really the world's leader in
Dialogue: 0,0:06:58.36,0:06:59.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,solar wind and other renewable
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.59,0:07:02.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,technologies their prices increased 50
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.80,0:07:04.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,percent during their big renewable
Dialogue: 0,0:07:04.63,0:07:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energy push now you might think well
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.96,0:07:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,dealing with climate change is just
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.80,0:07:10.69,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to require that we all pay more
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.69,0:07:12.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for energy that's what I used to think
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.91,0:07:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but consider the case of France France
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.06,0:07:18.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually gets twice as much of its
Dialogue: 0,0:07:18.25,0:07:20.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,electricity from clean zero emission
Dialogue: 0,0:07:20.35,0:07:23.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sources than does Germany and yet France
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.41,0:07:25.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pays half as much almost half as much
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.99,0:07:29.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for its electricity how can that be well
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.05,0:07:30.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you might have already anticipated the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.37,0:07:32.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,answer France gets most of its
Dialogue: 0,0:07:32.05,0:07:33.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,electricity from nuclear power
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.79,0:07:37.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about 75% in total and nuclear just ends
Dialogue: 0,0:07:37.09,0:07:39.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,up being a lot more reliable generating
Dialogue: 0,0:07:39.37,0:07:41.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,power 24 hours a day seven days a week
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.62,0:07:45.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for about 90% of the year we see this
Dialogue: 0,0:07:45.16,0:07:47.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,phenomenon show up at a global level so
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.62,0:07:49.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for example there's been a natural
Dialogue: 0,0:07:49.09,0:07:51.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,experiment over the last 40 years even
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.46,0:07:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more than that or in terms of the
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.96,0:07:54.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,deployment of nuclear and the deployment
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.64,0:07:58.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of solar you can see that at a little
Dialogue: 0,0:07:58.42,0:08:00.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bit higher cost we got about half as
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.46,0:08:02.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,much electricity from solar and wind
Dialogue: 0,0:08:02.17,0:08:06.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,than we did from nuclear well what does
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.64,0:08:08.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all this mean for going forward I think
Dialogue: 0,0:08:08.83,0:08:10.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the most significant findings to
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.84,0:08:13.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,date is this one had Germany spent five
Dialogue: 0,0:08:13.66,0:08:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hundred eighty billion dollars on
Dialogue: 0,0:08:15.28,0:08:17.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nuclear instead of renewables it would
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.47,0:08:19.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already be getting a hundred percent of
Dialogue: 0,0:08:19.51,0:08:21.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its end of its electricity from clean
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.10,0:08:23.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energy sources and all of its
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.53,0:08:26.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,transportation energy now I think you
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.41,0:08:27.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,might be wondering and it's quite
Dialogue: 0,0:08:27.52,0:08:30.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,reasonable to ask is nuclear power safe
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.01,0:08:32.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and what do you do with the waste well
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.47,0:08:33.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,those are very reasonable questions
Dialogue: 0,0:08:33.97,0:08:36.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,turns out that there's been scientific
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.07,0:08:38.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,studies on this going over 40 years this
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.77,0:08:40.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is just the most recent study that was
Dialogue: 0,0:08:40.24,0:08:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,done by the prestigious British Medical
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.25,0:08:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Journal Lancet finds that nuclear power
Dialogue: 0,0:08:44.26,0:08:46.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the safest it's easy to understand
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.93,0:08:48.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,why according to the World Health
Dialogue: 0,0:08:48.64,0:08:51.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Organization about 7 million people die
Dialogue: 0,0:08:51.04,0:08:53.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,annually from air pollution and nuclear
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.50,0:08:55.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plants don't emit that as a result the
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.57,0:08:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate scientist James Hansen looked at
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.43,0:08:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and he calculated that nuclear power has
Dialogue: 0,0:08:59.35,0:09:01.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,already saved almost two million lives
Dialogue: 0,0:09:01.75,0:09:04.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to date it turns out that even wind
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.21,0:09:07.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energy is more deadly than nuclear this
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.12,0:09:09.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is a photograph taken of two maintenance
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.79,0:09:11.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,workers in the Netherlands
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.50,0:09:13.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,shortly before one of them fell to his
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.63,0:09:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,death to avoid the fire and the other
Dialogue: 0,0:09:15.64,0:09:17.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one was engulfed in flames
Dialogue: 0,0:09:17.26,0:09:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,now what about environmental impact well
Dialogue: 0,0:09:20.44,0:09:21.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,I think a really easy way to think about
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.76,0:09:24.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it is that uranium fuel which is what we
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.07,0:09:25.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,use to power nuclear plants is just
Dialogue: 0,0:09:25.93,0:09:28.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,really energy dense about his mouth
Dialogue: 0,0:09:28.21,0:09:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the same amount of uranium as this
Dialogue: 0,0:09:30.34,0:09:32.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is this Rubik's Cube can power all of
Dialogue: 0,0:09:32.89,0:09:34.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the energy that you need in your entire
Dialogue: 0,0:09:34.66,0:09:35.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,life
Dialogue: 0,0:09:35.44,0:09:38.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as a consequence you just don't need
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.68,0:09:40.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that much land in order to produce a
Dialogue: 0,0:09:40.60,0:09:42.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,significant amount of electricity here
Dialogue: 0,0:09:42.88,0:09:44.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you can compare the solar farm I just
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.83,0:09:47.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,described Ivanpah to California's last
Dialogue: 0,0:09:47.41,0:09:50.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nuclear plant Diablo Canyon it takes 450
Dialogue: 0,0:09:50.77,0:09:52.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,times more land to generate the same
Dialogue: 0,0:09:52.75,0:09:54.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,amount of electricity as it does from
Dialogue: 0,0:09:54.79,0:09:57.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nuclear you would need 17 more solar
Dialogue: 0,0:09:57.43,0:09:59.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,farms like Ivanpah in order to generate
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.92,0:10:02.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the same output as Diablo Canyon and of
Dialogue: 0,0:10:02.32,0:10:05.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,course it would then be unreliable well
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.80,0:10:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what about the mining and the waste and
Dialogue: 0,0:10:07.96,0:10:10.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the material throughput well this has
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.12,0:10:11.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been studied pretty closely as well and
Dialogue: 0,0:10:11.92,0:10:13.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it just turns out that solar panels
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.51,0:10:16.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,require 17 times more materials than
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.27,0:10:18.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nuclear plants do in the form of cement
Dialogue: 0,0:10:18.61,0:10:21.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,glass concrete steel and that includes
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.49,0:10:23.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,all the fuel used for those nuclear
Dialogue: 0,0:10:23.23,0:10:25.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plants the consequence is that what
Dialogue: 0,0:10:25.48,0:10:27.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,comes out at the end since its material
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.73,0:10:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,throughput is just not a lot of waste
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.16,0:10:32.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from nuclear all of the waste from the
Dialogue: 0,0:10:32.56,0:10:34.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Swiss nuclear program fits into this
Dialogue: 0,0:10:34.57,0:10:37.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,room nuclear waste is actually the only
Dialogue: 0,0:10:37.00,0:10:38.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,waste from electricity production
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.95,0:10:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that's safely contained and internalized
Dialogue: 0,0:10:41.23,0:10:43.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,every other way of making electricity
Dialogue: 0,0:10:43.21,0:10:45.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,emits that waste into the natural
Dialogue: 0,0:10:45.49,0:10:48.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,environment either as pollution or as
Dialogue: 0,0:10:48.01,0:10:50.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,material waste we tend to think of solar
Dialogue: 0,0:10:50.59,0:10:53.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,panels as clean but the truth is is that
Dialogue: 0,0:10:53.41,0:10:55.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there is no plan to deal with solar
Dialogue: 0,0:10:55.27,0:10:57.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,panels at the end of their 20 or 25 year
Dialogue: 0,0:10:57.79,0:11:00.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,life a lot of experts are actually very
Dialogue: 0,0:11:00.22,0:11:02.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concerned that solar panels are just
Dialogue: 0,0:11:02.44,0:11:04.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to be shipped to poor countries in
Dialogue: 0,0:11:04.18,0:11:06.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Africa or Asia with the rest of our
Dialogue: 0,0:11:06.46,0:11:07.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,electronic way
Dialogue: 0,0:11:07.27,0:11:10.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,stream to be disassembled often exposing
Dialogue: 0,0:11:10.78,0:11:13.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,people to really high levels of toxic of
Dialogue: 0,0:11:13.21,0:11:15.61,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,toxic elements including lead cadmium
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.61,0:11:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and chromium elements that because their
Dialogue: 0,0:11:17.98,0:11:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,elements their toxicity never declines
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.68,0:11:23.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,over time I think we have an intuitive
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.20,0:11:25.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,sense that nuclear is a really powerful
Dialogue: 0,0:11:25.66,0:11:28.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,strong energy source and that sunlight
Dialogue: 0,0:11:28.36,0:11:31.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is really dilute and diffuse and weak
Dialogue: 0,0:11:31.15,0:11:33.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is why you have to spread solar
Dialogue: 0,0:11:33.43,0:11:35.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,collectors or wind collectors over such
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.29,0:11:38.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a large amount of land maybe that's why
Dialogue: 0,0:11:38.32,0:11:40.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nobody was surprised when in the recent
Dialogue: 0,0:11:40.75,0:11:43.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,science-fiction remake of Blade Runner
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.15,0:11:45.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the film opens a very dark dystopian
Dialogue: 0,0:11:45.91,0:11:48.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scene where California's deserts have
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.34,0:11:52.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,been entirely paved with solar farms all
Dialogue: 0,0:11:52.48,0:11:53.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of which I think raises a really
Dialogue: 0,0:11:53.86,0:11:56.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,uncomfortable question in the effort to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:56.74,0:11:59.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,try to save the climate are we
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.02,0:12:02.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,destroying the environment well the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.29,0:12:03.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,interesting thing is that over the last
Dialogue: 0,0:12:03.91,0:12:05.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,several hundred years human beings have
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.71,0:12:07.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,actually been trying to move away from
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.03,0:12:08.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,what you would consider matter dense
Dialogue: 0,0:12:08.86,0:12:11.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,fuels towards energy dense ones that
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.71,0:12:14.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,means really from wood and dung towards
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.14,0:12:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,coal oil natural gas uranium this is a
Dialogue: 0,0:12:16.99,0:12:18.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,phenomenon that's been going on for a
Dialogue: 0,0:12:18.31,0:12:20.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,long time poor countries around the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.23,0:12:22.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,world are in the process still of moving
Dialogue: 0,0:12:22.09,0:12:23.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,away from wood and dung as their primary
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.62,0:12:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,energies and for the most part this is a
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.50,0:12:29.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,positive thing as you stop using wood as
Dialogue: 0,0:12:29.98,0:12:32.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your major source of fuel it allows the
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.05,0:12:34.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,forests to grow back and the wildlife to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.51,0:12:36.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,return as you stop burning wood in your
Dialogue: 0,0:12:36.34,0:12:38.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,home you don't you no longer need to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.41,0:12:40.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,breathe that toxic smoke and as you go
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.99,0:12:43.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from coal to natural gas and uranium is
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.75,0:12:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,your main sources of energy it holds out
Dialogue: 0,0:12:45.79,0:12:48.13,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the possibility of basically eliminating
Dialogue: 0,0:12:48.13,0:12:50.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,air pollution altogether there's just
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.83,0:12:53.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this problem with nuclear well it's been
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.05,0:12:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pretty popular to move from dirtier to
Dialogue: 0,0:12:55.24,0:12:56.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,cleaner energy sources from energy
Dialogue: 0,0:12:56.89,0:12:59.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,diffuse to energy dense sources nuclear
Dialogue: 0,0:12:59.89,0:13:02.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is just really unpopular for a bunch of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.23,0:13:04.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,historical reasons and as a consequence
Dialogue: 0,0:13:04.78,0:13:07.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in the past I and I think a lot of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:07.45,0:13:09.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,others have sort of said well in order
Dialogue: 0,0:13:09.52,0:13:11.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to deal with climate change we're just
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.17,0:13:12.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to need all the different kinds of
Dialogue: 0,0:13:12.85,0:13:15.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clean energy that we have the problem is
Dialogue: 0,0:13:15.49,0:13:16.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that just turns out not to be true
Dialogue: 0,0:13:16.99,0:13:19.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you remember I discussed France a little
Dialogue: 0,0:13:19.60,0:13:20.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,bit ago France
Dialogue: 0,0:13:20.92,0:13:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,gets most of its electricity from
Dialogue: 0,0:13:22.24,0:13:24.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nuclear if France were to try to
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.43,0:13:27.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,significantly scale up solar and wind it
Dialogue: 0,0:13:27.34,0:13:29.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,would also have to significantly reduce
Dialogue: 0,0:13:29.17,0:13:31.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,how much electricity it gets from
Dialogue: 0,0:13:31.03,0:13:32.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nuclear that's because in order to
Dialogue: 0,0:13:32.98,0:13:35.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,handle the huge variability of solar and
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.98,0:13:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wind on the grid they would need to burn
Dialogue: 0,0:13:38.08,0:13:40.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,more natural gas think of it this way
Dialogue: 0,0:13:40.12,0:13:42.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's just really hard to ramp up and
Dialogue: 0,0:13:42.25,0:13:44.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,down a nuclear plant whereas I think
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.14,0:13:45.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we're all pretty familiar with turning
Dialogue: 0,0:13:45.79,0:13:47.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the natural gas up and down on our stove
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.83,0:13:50.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a similar process works in managing the
Dialogue: 0,0:13:50.35,0:13:52.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,grid of course goes without saying that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:52.93,0:13:55.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,oil and gas companies understand this
Dialogue: 0,0:13:55.24,0:13:57.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,pretty well which is why we've seen them
Dialogue: 0,0:13:57.31,0:13:59.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,invest millions of dollars in recent
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.35,0:14:03.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,years in promoting solar and wind this
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.25,0:14:05.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just raises I think another challenging
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.50,0:14:07.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question which is that in places that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:07.99,0:14:10.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,are using a lot of nuclear have grids
Dialogue: 0,0:14:10.36,0:14:14.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that are mostly nuclear and hydro going
Dialogue: 0,0:14:14.17,0:14:15.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,towards solar and wind and other
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.64,0:14:17.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,renewables would actually increase
Dialogue: 0,0:14:17.62,0:14:19.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,carbon emissions I think a better
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.93,0:14:21.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,alternative is just to tell the truth
Dialogue: 0,0:14:21.52,0:14:23.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and that's what a number of scientists
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.38,0:14:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been doing I mentioned earlier that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.62,0:14:27.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hundreds of thousands of birds are
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.73,0:14:29.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,killed every year by wind turbines but I
Dialogue: 0,0:14:29.38,0:14:31.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,didn't mention is that a million bats at
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.90,0:14:33.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,a minimum are killed every year by wind
Dialogue: 0,0:14:33.88,0:14:35.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the consequence has been that bad
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.83,0:14:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scientists have been speaking out about
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.48,0:14:40.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,this this particular bat species the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.21,0:14:42.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,hoary bat which is a migratory bat
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.34,0:14:44.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,species is literally at risk of going
Dialogue: 0,0:14:44.65,0:14:46.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,extinct right now because of the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:46.45,0:14:48.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,significant expansion of wind it's not
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.94,0:14:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just wind it's also on solar the
Dialogue: 0,0:14:51.64,0:14:53.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,scientists who were involved in creating
Dialogue: 0,0:14:53.53,0:14:55.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,the Ivanpah solar farm who involved in
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.96,0:14:58.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,clearing that land have been speaking
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.15,0:15:01.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,out one of them wrote everybody knows
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.12,0:15:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that translocation of desert tortoises
Dialogue: 0,0:15:03.40,0:15:05.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,doesn't work when you're walking in
Dialogue: 0,0:15:05.29,0:15:07.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,front of a bulldozer or crying and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.09,0:15:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,moving animals and cacti out of the way
Dialogue: 0,0:15:09.16,0:15:11.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's hard to think that the project is a
Dialogue: 0,0:15:11.20,0:15:13.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,good idea and now we can see these
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.48,0:15:16.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,phenomena at work at an international
Dialogue: 0,0:15:16.54,0:15:18.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,level in my home state of California
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.37,0:15:20.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we've been stuffing a lot of natural gas
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.41,0:15:22.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,into the side of a mountain in order to
Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.33,0:15:23.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,handle all that intermittent solar and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:23.86,0:15:24.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,wind
Dialogue: 0,0:15:24.25,0:15:26.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it's sprung a leak it was equivalent to
Dialogue: 0,0:15:26.23,0:15:28.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,putting 500,000 cars on the road and
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.30,0:15:30.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,currently in Germany there's protesters
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.64,0:15:33.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,trying to block a new coal mining
Dialogue: 0,0:15:33.22,0:15:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,project
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.32,0:15:36.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that would involve destroying the
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.24,0:15:38.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,ancient Han back forest in order to get
Dialogue: 0,0:15:38.73,0:15:41.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to the coal underneath all in an effort
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.10,0:15:43.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to phase out nuclear and expand solar
Dialogue: 0,0:15:43.44,0:15:46.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and wind the good news is is that I
Dialogue: 0,0:15:46.38,0:15:48.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,think that people still care about
Dialogue: 0,0:15:48.51,0:15:50.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nature enough for these facts to matter
Dialogue: 0,0:15:50.31,0:15:52.77,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we saw last year in South Korea a
Dialogue: 0,0:15:52.77,0:15:55.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,citizen's jury deliberated for several
Dialogue: 0,0:15:55.11,0:15:56.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,months weighing these different issues
Dialogue: 0,0:15:56.88,0:15:58.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they had to decide whether they were
Dialogue: 0,0:15:58.89,0:16:01.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to phase out nuclear or keep it
Dialogue: 0,0:16:01.65,0:16:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and expanded they started out 40 percent
Dialogue: 0,0:16:04.14,0:16:06.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in favor of expanding nuclear but after
Dialogue: 0,0:16:06.54,0:16:08.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,several months and considering these
Dialogue: 0,0:16:08.04,0:16:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,issues they ended up voting 60 percent
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.32,0:16:13.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to expand nuclear a similar phenomena
Dialogue: 0,0:16:13.02,0:16:15.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,just happened last week in Arizona the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:15.12,0:16:17.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,voters had a ballot initiative that to
Dialogue: 0,0:16:17.10,0:16:19.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,vote on whether or not to continue with
Dialogue: 0,0:16:19.20,0:16:21.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nuclear or to phase it out and try to
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.15,0:16:23.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,replace it with natural gas and solar
Dialogue: 0,0:16:23.22,0:16:26.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they ended up rejecting at 70 to 30 and
Dialogue: 0,0:16:26.16,0:16:28.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,even here in Europe we saw the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:28.50,0:16:30.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Netherlands is that one of the first
Dialogue: 0,0:16:30.15,0:16:32.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,countries in recent memory to actually
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.70,0:16:34.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,announce as they did last week that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:34.74,0:16:36.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they're going to start to they're gonna
Dialogue: 0,0:16:36.36,0:16:37.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,start to increase their reliance on
Dialogue: 0,0:16:37.89,0:16:39.81,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,nuclear power in recognition that
Dialogue: 0,0:16:39.81,0:16:41.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's just no way they could generate
Dialogue: 0,0:16:41.25,0:16:43.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,significant amounts of energy enough
Dialogue: 0,0:16:43.11,0:16:44.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,from solar and wind to meet their
Dialogue: 0,0:16:44.97,0:16:47.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,climate targets I think it's natural
Dialogue: 0,0:16:47.37,0:16:49.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that those of us that became very
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.56,0:16:51.21,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,concerned about climate change such a
Dialogue: 0,0:16:51.21,0:16:53.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,big environmental issue would gravitate
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.31,0:16:56.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,towards really romantic solutions like
Dialogue: 0,0:16:56.54,0:16:58.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,harmonizing human civilization with the
Dialogue: 0,0:16:58.98,0:17:01.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,natural world using renewable energies
Dialogue: 0,0:17:01.14,0:17:03.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but I think it's also understandable
Dialogue: 0,0:17:03.09,0:17:05.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that as the facts have come in that many
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.85,0:17:07.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of us have started to question our prior
Dialogue: 0,0:17:07.65,0:17:10.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,beliefs and change our minds for me the
Dialogue: 0,0:17:10.41,0:17:14.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,question now is now that we know that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.03,0:17:16.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,renewables can't save the planet are we
Dialogue: 0,0:17:16.86,0:17:18.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,going to keep letting them destroy it
Dialogue: 0,0:17:18.66,0:17:25.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,thank you very much